I do understand where you're coming from. It's one of the wealthiest institutions in the world. It owns priceless art, land, artifacts, etc. I visited the Vatican museums last year, mostly for the art. It's great for tourism, but it is over the top for a church, and it's been that way for centuries. It's wealth is deeply rooted in its history and customs, so it holds on to some of its extravagant traits. I think it does this to maintain a powerful presence and to gain attention.
Some argue the canon was controversial before and after the Catholic canon. Some argue that the Synod of Carthage in 397 simply confirmed and reiterated the list of 27 New Testament books that were already considered as the canon for some time by individual Christians and church’s, and that St. Athanasius was the first person to identify the same 27 books of the New Testament that are in use today, as evidenced in his Easter letter from Alexandria, written in 367, 30 years before.
There was an earlier latin version of the Bible called "Itala". I said that like 5 times. But you missed that. Vulgata is a name of a translation. It TRANSLATED Scripture. All of the writings of the NT were already recognized as inspired by the 3rd century. There were also attempts to compile all such writings in one book. One of these early compilation were "Itala" which translated the greek books in Latin.
I guess after watching this video, we can see that the papal apartments are not that splendid. But with Pope Francis deciding not to stay there, you hear people saying how humble he is for refusing to live in the "lavish" apartments, but that is simply not the case. Why can't people try and confirm their information before they start making judgements.
Huh? The palace in which you can see the world-famous Sixtine Chapel and Vatican Museums with priceless works of art is not "that" splendid? It is one of the most important and iconic residences on Earth.
@FaithHopeGrace Respectfully, I am not in accord with your assessment of Pope Francis. We listened to his presentation in its entirety. He referenced something St. Paul said about the cross in his speech. If one were to take Paul's statement out of context, as some have done to the Pope in the speech that you very, very briefly alluded, then Paul would also be accused of being anti-Christian. Then we would have to disregard much of the New Testament and Jesus. I won't do that and neither will Pope Francis. I won't get into any sort of Catholic/Protestant battle royale. I will end by saying that I love my Protestant brothers and sisters immensely. Further,my love an admiration for His Holiness Pope Francis is contingent on my assessment of him, not that of another. PRAYERS, PEACE, BLESSING, LOVE
Y’know what really caught my attention with this video about religious luxury? I mean, it’s been so many years since Pope Francis confounded them all by say “No thanks, I still want to live in a relatively humble apartment” that so many people pretty much take that for granted. But at the beginning of this video, they say that the papal palace is SECOND in size to the palace of the Dalai Lama! I would have thought the Dalai Lama would also have a relatively humble abode. I’m not Buddhist, but I always thought humility and simplicity was their gig too. It kinda weirds me out to here their leaders live in huge palaces.
I'm glad the Pope said no to living in the largest palace in Europe. He wants to give a message of humility and poverty, and you can't do that sitting on a golden throne.
Jorge also claims that adoption by homosexuals is a form of discrimination against children but believes that condoms "can be permissible" to prevent infection. Until now he has been living in a small flat, eschewing a formal bishop's residence. He told Argentinians not to travel to Rome to celebrate if he was appointed but to give their money to the poor instead. According to a Vatican spokesman, Pope Francis chose his name in honor of St. Francis of Assisi because he is a lover of the poor.
Different religious groups include different books within their canons. Also, it's not like it's impossible for Catholics to be hypocrites either. The Bible itself speaks of churches that strayed away from the teachings of Christianity. Of course, a Catholic might try to act as if they wrote the Bible themselves or something and they will try to provide an interpretation that makes them seem consistent with what the Bible actually says. Members of any kind of church will do that.
Also, ultimately, the Roman Catholic canon was not formally declared until the Council of Trent (1545-1563). Most other churches have never had any such formal declaration and simply continue with those canons which fell into place, long ago, simply by acclamation. The Catholics seem to have their own way of doing things.Simpy because Catholics ratified their canon does not mean that they somehow created the Bible. I'll send you some links.
His Holiness Pope Francis ,or Pope Francisco as many call him, is a BREATH OF FRESH AIR FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. He appears to be quite a humble man and approachable. His style of Popeing - Haha It's a word check your dictionaries - is just like that of Pope John Paul II , may he rest in peace. Recently, he called a man who used to deliver newspapers in Argentina to him. He called him just to tell him to please cancel his deliveries as he no longer resided there..
5. The New testament apostolic writings were considered inspired and were quoted as Canon by early Church Fathers from 1st century onward. In fact, many manuscripts circulated with 25-27 books of the NT already in the 3rd and 4th century. 6. There was Latin translation of ALL NT writings in the late 3rd century called "Itala". 7. The Church in the late 4th cent. only made official recognition of the NT canon and did not "made up" or "decided" which books should be in the NT.
I'm talking about in the ultimate sense, but anyway, even if you are correct, I don't think it really means much of anything because, like I said, most other churches have never had any such formal declaration and simply continue with those canons which fell into place, long ago, simply by acclamation. The Catholics seem to have their own way of doing things. Simply because Catholics ratified their canon does not mean that they somehow created the Bible. I'll send you some links as well.
@@stephenmazimba7134 True, 1 Corinthians 4:15: "For if you were to have countless tutors in Christ, yet you would not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel."
Daniel Parziale He’s a modest man. He believes that all the money the Church makes needs to be spent helping people and not on luxuries to make the Pope look like a celebrity.
I have only begun to speak about history of the Roman Catholic Church because I was responding to your historical inaccuracies. Otherwise we could have talked about Christ all day.I have been giving you historical facts. You were the one saying that Roman Catholic Church is the same church as the early church and that Ignatius seven letter are the same as seven letter of John.
Practically every site there has become sacred and so I don't think it's going to go anywhere anytime soon. They've demonstrated that they wanted to conserve the property and its functions as much as possible for as long as possible. For major changes to happen in that area, or for something to happen like what you have proposed, the most zealous of the Roman Catholics will have to shed off a great deal of their traditionalist skin.
However, when Byzantine Emperor deposed the patriarch and invested Gregory with the title of "universal bishop", Gregory obediently accepted the title without complaining. Thus, we had bishop of Rome claiming to be the "universal bishop" ever since.
The context of this disciple is gnostic infiltration in the Church. Instead of listening wondering gnostic teachers or church members infected with gnosticism, Ignatius counsels to always check with the bishop for he know that there is more controle for the bishop (episcopos) had to be ordained and verified if he was orthodox or not. Thus, for the sake of practicality Ignatius appeals to members to check everything with the bishops. NT mentions the word "episcopos" it's the same as church elders
Dear friend. Irenaeus used the word "catholicos" in its primitive or original sense of "entire" or "universal". When Irenaeus or Justin Martyr said "catholic faith" or "church", they did not have in mind "Roman Catholicism" which was developed much later, but he was referring to mainstream Christians as opposed to gnostic heretics. Gnostics were not considered "catholic" because they did not have support of "entire" [catholic] Christian community. Word "catholic" has nothing to do with Romanism.
What is the temple of God? The CHURCH 1 Cor 3:13 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are." Pope sat in the temple of God pretending to be the God on earth. Your system is Antichrist. It comes out of the fourth beast in Dan 7 (Rome) and it is a "little horn" who plucked three horns (Vandals, Heruli and Ostrogoths) as prophecy said.
Just because 19th century textbook calls an early bishop "a pope", that does not mean that this early bishop really called himself "pope" or that he was called "pope" by others as an official title. The term "pope" as an official title came only in the 6th century. Before that we have a smattering of evidence that some christians leaders were called "abba" or "papa" in endearing way but not as an official universal bishop what papacy is today.
The Bible says about the pope: "...Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the TEMPLE OF GOD, shewing himself that he is God."
Dear brother. 1. Bishop Damasus was not yet 'pope', the bishop of Constantinople was considered more important than him. 2. In Damasus' time, Church, although beginning to be corrupt, was still centuries away from what we call today Roman Catholicism. 3. This means that Roman Catholic did not "invent" or "made" Scripture (lol). 4. Early Church recognized most of the apostolic writings as inspired already in 2nd and 3rd centuries, half a millennia before Roman Catholicism ever developed fully.
Irenaeus does not give a list of popes but of head elders. These head elders were called episcopoi - overseers. They were overseers of the various churches, like Rome, Alexandria, Antioch and other major Christian hubs. Irenaeus gives a list to show that he and his colleagues succeeded the original bishops and they received the office from them. This, according to Ireneaus was supposed to prove that his brand of Christianity had the most pure doctrine and not the gnostics who had no succession.
Before Vulgata there was the old Latin translation called "Itala". It dates from early 3rd century. Because there seem to have been several versions of Itala flowing around with some variations bishop Damasus appointed Jerome to make a new Latin translation from already existent Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. This also shows that there were several Greek manuscripts of the NT before Vulgata was framed such as Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus and Vaticanus...etc... feeling better now bro?
They said "modest study", "simple bedroom", "astonisingly simple dining room" when they spoke about the Pope's residence. The entire structure is not a traditional palace. It's a series of buildings that contain apartments, offices, chapels, the Vatican Library, and the Vatican Museums which are visited by millions of people each year. And as for all of the priceless artwork...it can never be sold or borrowed against. The Church says that it belongs to the people.
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Roman Catholic Church is the proper official name of your religion because there are other Catholic Churches out there, like Greek Catholic Church etc. Also the early "Catholic" Church was not "Roman" fore there were 5 main patriarchal seats, of which only one was in Rome.
This is very primitive argument. Jerome had to use manuscripts containing all the books that were recognized as canonical in order to TRANSLATE them into LATIN. Thus, the canonical books were already in EXISTENCE. Many of them were bound together in manuscript formes and contained all the NT books we have today. BTW, your dear Jerome (who translated Vulgate) did not recognize pseudo-canonical books as inspired. Go to wikipedia type in Deuterocanonical books and scroll down to Jerome :)
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Also there were greek manuscripts that compiled all the NT writings. They havent had a name per se but they were earlier than Vulgate. Also Vulgate did not consider deutero-canonical writings and inspired. So your Catholic Bible is not so Catholic after all.
"...Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."
You know as well as i do that what you said has no basis in fact. Please direct me to where the Pope said he'd have people jailed for 12 years, it should make for an interesting read.
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration
The Church is the mafia without the guns. I do respect the Catholic Church though. I mean to be able to stay that strong with all the regimes and dictators, political ideologies and not be wiped out over a 2000 year period is impressive. Lots of backstabbing, swindling, cruelty, injustice involved to do so but still impressive.
The problem is that you are tracing your heritage to the original apostolic and early catholic church but in the meantime the product (your church) has changed and does not represent the same religion. If you study the early church you would see that it is very close to what Protestants believed (not that I endorse protestants because I am not classical Protestant). As I said, the only thing that modern "Catholic Church" and the early Catholic Church have in common is the name.
Pope Francis decided to take up residence in more simple apartments. Saying he had a palace with a thousand rooms is misleading as the rooms are for the Vatican officials etc to use as offices etc. Also they do not spend a lot on themselves see the same furniture decades later.....
If Jesus Christ was here on earth all these Rich's he would not sit in it no way he would be amongst the poor look at these Rich's could feed millions Jesus Christ would not like this at all ,
The Bible was compiled by the late 4th century by the EARLY CHURCH. The seat of the Early church in the 4th century was not Rome but Constantinople. The traces of Roman Catholic Church as we have it today and its leader the "Pope" did not emerge until 6th or 7th century. Jerome, one of the greatest authorities of the EARLY CHURCH did not consider deuterocanonical books such as Maccabees, Judith, Baruh etc to be canonical. At the council of Cartaghe in 395, these apocryphal books were rejected.
8. Your beloved Jerome and "pope" Damasus only ordered new latin translation of the ALREADY LONG EXISTENT AND RECOGNIZED NEW TESTAMENT BIBLE 9. They both rejected deutero-canonical writings (which many Catholics today cling to) as NON inspired. So if they were already "ROMAN CATHOLIC" in the full sense of today's Roman Catholicism then why do modern Catholics claim deutero-canonical books as inspired when Jerome and Damasus both rejected them?
Jesus is the saviour the truth the light and the king. There is no other way but through Jesus Christ seek his face and he shall recieve you . in this world of darkness Jesus is the light. The kingdom is at hand . the light shall destroy the darkness. No man on this earth can save but the Lord Jesus Christ saves . He's the king over all people's and tongues.
He is not rich. Did you watch the video? Did you see the bedroom? He lives in a very normal apartment that is located in a complex that, for the most part is open to the public and is a museum and an office building. After JP II died, tehy had to renovate because rain was dripping in buckets on the floor. And when are you going to get around to crabbing about the Dalai lama, who has the 1st largest
The foundation of the Church is Christ. he is the corner stone. Peter was the first rock in the house but many rocks must be added to finish the house. Peter was the first stone because he was the first one to confess Jesus as Christ. All those who come after him add their own stones. Look what the Bible says: you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 2:5
Tell us what to know. Give us figures. I'm fact what you are implying if that"that" church needs to sell it's address m assets and give the proceeds to the poor. Ok... How would the global church function then as it already has set up and operates over 240,000 schools and hospitals globally? The entire Vatican had an operating budget of $330 million annually. The Heinz corporation for an example of another global entity has an operating budget of $1.5 billion. Stop listening to haters.
Of course, he refused to occupy the Apostolic Palace where all Popes have lived. He said he would be lonesome there. Pope Francis chose to live at Santa Marta residence behind St. Peter's and be with his brother priests.
What makes you think I am Protestant?I am not a Protestant in a classical sense.I am a Bible believer.My Church has the same doctrine as the 1st century Christianity.I belong to the fastest growing religion in the world. We teach the truth as it is. I was merely responding to your misuse of history. The problem is that you refuse to accept the truth now because your heart is biased and very closed.Also u need education. It's ok. One day you will maybe see and accept the truth. I still love u.
Dear brother. Ignatius wrote five letters but these were not the same as John the Revelator. The five letters of Ignatius were letters to Antioch, Smyrna, Ephesus, Philippi and Italy. The letters of John were to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea. I think you are getting confused. I am praying for you to come out of Babylon.
From a Christian perspective, it's not something to be proud of because God isn't pleased. From the skeptic's perspective, this is utter stupidity as Catholicism requires that you really fail to understand both what the Bible says as well as what reality has to say about the Bible. It's like living in an imaginary world that you created within an imaginary world that you created.
Roman Catholic theologians do not teach that they are the same as the Early Church. Nobody buys that. In contrary they teach that the authority of the Church popes and councils is above the authority of the Scriptures and that the Church has the right to change the Scripture doctrines and thus they justify the fact that they HAVE DEPARTED SO MUCH from the teachings of the New Testament.
Which do YOU think Jesus would have said: a) "The poor you have always with you." b) "Why was not this [chair] sold for three hundred [dollars], and given to the poor?" In case you didn't know, Jesus said the first and Judas [the traitor] said the second (John 5). Ouch. Facts have got to hurt...
Jesus said:"I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father, but by me." John 15:5
And. ..?
''Jesus said '' ? No, someone who never knew him said he said that.
I get what your getting at kathy. Great comment.
Please know that the Pope is the direct representative of Jesus.
@@zairaclaine8685 Yea, and the moon is made of cheese ! Direct representative ?
I do understand where you're coming from. It's one of the wealthiest institutions in the world. It owns priceless art, land, artifacts, etc. I visited the Vatican museums last year, mostly for the art. It's great for tourism, but it is over the top for a church, and it's been that way for centuries. It's wealth is deeply rooted in its history and customs, so it holds on to some of its extravagant traits. I think it does this to maintain a powerful presence and to gain attention.
Wow, he lives just like Peter lived.
Some argue the canon was controversial before and after the Catholic canon. Some argue that the Synod of Carthage in 397 simply confirmed and reiterated the list of 27 New Testament books that were already considered as the canon for some time by individual Christians and church’s, and that St. Athanasius was the first person to identify the same 27 books of the New Testament that are in use today, as evidenced in his Easter letter from Alexandria, written in 367, 30 years before.
There was an earlier latin version of the Bible called "Itala". I said that like 5 times. But you missed that. Vulgata is a name of a translation. It TRANSLATED Scripture. All of the writings of the NT were already recognized as inspired by the 3rd century. There were also attempts to compile all such writings in one book. One of these early compilation were "Itala" which translated the greek books in Latin.
I am a doctor in Church History and I know Catholic theology very well. I can learn more as we all can. But THIS IS ACTUALLY my field. So please.
I guess after watching this video, we can see that the papal apartments are not that splendid. But with Pope Francis deciding not to stay there, you hear people saying how humble he is for refusing to live in the "lavish" apartments, but that is simply not the case. Why can't people try and confirm their information before they start making judgements.
Huh? The palace in which you can see the world-famous Sixtine Chapel and Vatican Museums with priceless works of art is not "that" splendid? It is one of the most important and iconic residences on Earth.
@@aryrios4165. But Francis doesn’t live there. He might use the office, but he doesn’t live in the palace itself.
God bless you Pope Francis. We love you. May God continue to bless and guide you.
@FaithHopeGrace Respectfully, I am not in accord with your assessment of Pope Francis. We listened to his presentation in its entirety. He referenced something St. Paul said about the cross in his speech. If one were to take Paul's statement out of context, as some have done to the Pope in the speech that you very, very briefly alluded, then Paul would also be accused of being anti-Christian. Then we would have to disregard much of the New Testament and Jesus. I won't do that and neither will Pope Francis. I won't get into any sort of Catholic/Protestant battle royale. I will end by saying that I love my Protestant brothers and sisters immensely. Further,my love an admiration for His Holiness Pope Francis is contingent on my assessment of him, not that of another. PRAYERS, PEACE, BLESSING, LOVE
Amen God
Y’know what really caught my attention with this video about religious luxury? I mean, it’s been so many years since Pope Francis confounded them all by say “No thanks, I still want to live in a relatively humble apartment” that so many people pretty much take that for granted. But at the beginning of this video, they say that the papal palace is SECOND in size to the palace of the Dalai Lama! I would have thought the Dalai Lama would also have a relatively humble abode. I’m not Buddhist, but I always thought humility and simplicity was their gig too. It kinda weirds me out to here their leaders live in huge palaces.
The Dalai Lama's Potala has been there for millennium. It is NOT luxurious. Just huge.
MONEY AND PEDOPHILIA - Thats what its all about. Dont kid yourself.
I'm glad the Pope said no to living in the largest palace in Europe. He wants to give a message of humility and poverty, and you can't do that sitting on a golden throne.
Jorge also claims that adoption by homosexuals is a form of discrimination against children but believes that condoms "can be permissible" to prevent infection. Until now he has been living in a small flat, eschewing a formal bishop's residence. He told Argentinians not to travel to Rome to celebrate if he was appointed but to give their money to the poor instead. According to a Vatican spokesman, Pope Francis chose his name in honor of St. Francis of Assisi because he is a lover of the poor.
Jesus be with us.. i need ur blessing pope francis..
Different religious groups include different books within their canons. Also, it's not like it's impossible for Catholics to be hypocrites either. The Bible itself speaks of churches that strayed away from the teachings of Christianity. Of course, a Catholic might try to act as if they wrote the Bible themselves or something and they will try to provide an interpretation that makes them seem consistent with what the Bible actually says. Members of any kind of church will do that.
Why lie. The current Pope stays in a simple apartment and does not occupy the apostolic palace. He uses a simple small car.
They just love to demonize Catholics. If they have nothing, they will make something up.
This was made before that was the case, dumdum.
Also, ultimately, the Roman Catholic canon was not formally declared until the Council of Trent (1545-1563). Most other churches have never had any such formal declaration and simply continue with those canons which fell into place, long ago, simply by acclamation. The Catholics seem to have their own way of doing things.Simpy because Catholics ratified their canon does not mean that they somehow created the Bible. I'll send you some links.
His Holiness Pope Francis ,or Pope Francisco as many call him, is a BREATH OF FRESH AIR FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. He appears to be quite a humble man and approachable. His style of Popeing - Haha It's a word check your dictionaries - is just like that of Pope John Paul II , may he rest in peace. Recently, he called a man who used to deliver newspapers in Argentina to him. He called him just to tell him to please cancel his deliveries as he no longer resided there..
5. The New testament apostolic writings were considered inspired and were quoted as Canon by early Church Fathers from 1st century onward. In fact, many manuscripts circulated with 25-27 books of the NT already in the 3rd and 4th century. 6. There was Latin translation of ALL NT writings in the late 3rd century called "Itala". 7. The Church in the late 4th cent. only made official recognition of the NT canon and did not "made up" or "decided" which books should be in the NT.
I'm talking about in the ultimate sense, but anyway, even if you are correct, I don't think it really means much of anything because, like I said, most other churches have never had any such formal declaration and simply continue with those canons which fell into place, long ago, simply by acclamation. The Catholics seem to have their own way of doing things. Simply because Catholics ratified their canon does not mean that they somehow created the Bible. I'll send you some links as well.
The Holy Father Pope Francis chooses company, he’s a people person. Amen 🙏🙏
thanks for your comment
Why make this video public again?
Why do Catholics call the Pope Holy Father?
Matthew 23:9 "And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
I recommend you watching "Call no one father" by Fr. Casey Cole, it will give you the answer to your question
Santino Cajayon The title of the recommended link is contradictory. It's an apologetics video made for the misguided.
I call God my father.
Ask Paul who called himself father many times...
@@stephenmazimba7134 True, 1 Corinthians 4:15:
"For if you were to have countless tutors in Christ, yet you would not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel."
The Popes have lived there for centuries why he's choosing to move there now is a mystery to me
Daniel Parziale He’s a modest man. He believes that all the money the Church makes needs to be spent helping people and not on luxuries to make the Pope look like a celebrity.
Anti pope...
I have only begun to speak about history of the Roman Catholic Church because I was responding to your historical inaccuracies. Otherwise we could have talked about Christ all day.I have been giving you historical facts. You were the one saying that Roman Catholic Church is the same church as the early church and that Ignatius seven letter are the same as seven letter of John.
God bless Pope Francis. Thanks Jesus.
Jesus had nothing to do with it.
Practically every site there has become sacred and so I don't think it's going to go anywhere anytime soon. They've demonstrated that they wanted to conserve the property and its functions as much as possible for as long as possible. For major changes to happen in that area, or for something to happen like what you have proposed, the most zealous of the Roman Catholics will have to shed off a great deal of their traditionalist skin.
Chosen by the power of the Holy Spirit a true men of God.
Did the Holy Spirit also elect Pope Alexander VI, The Borgias pope?
@@johnbrowne3950
Yup all of them. When bad popes come along it’s to test our faith.
@@cL-bf2ug More likely God is proving your faith in this false hierachy is wrong, misguided and immoral.
@@johnbrowne3950
Idgaf what you have to say dude.
However, when Byzantine Emperor deposed the patriarch and invested Gregory with the title of "universal bishop", Gregory obediently accepted the title without complaining. Thus, we had bishop of Rome claiming to be the "universal bishop" ever since.
The context of this disciple is gnostic infiltration in the Church. Instead of listening wondering gnostic teachers or church members infected with gnosticism, Ignatius counsels to always check with the bishop for he know that there is more controle for the bishop (episcopos) had to be ordained and verified if he was orthodox or not. Thus, for the sake of practicality Ignatius appeals to members to check everything with the bishops. NT mentions the word "episcopos" it's the same as church elders
Dear friend. Irenaeus used the word "catholicos" in its primitive or original sense of "entire" or "universal". When Irenaeus or Justin Martyr said "catholic faith" or "church", they did not have in mind "Roman Catholicism" which was developed much later, but he was referring to mainstream Christians as opposed to gnostic heretics. Gnostics were not considered "catholic" because they did not have support of "entire" [catholic] Christian community. Word "catholic" has nothing to do with Romanism.
What does he do with guests now since he doesn't use the papal apt. I wouldn't be surprised if he cooks for his guests himself :D.
What is the temple of God? The CHURCH 1 Cor 3:13 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are." Pope sat in the temple of God pretending to be the God on earth. Your system is Antichrist. It comes out of the fourth beast in Dan 7 (Rome) and it is a "little horn" who plucked three horns (Vandals, Heruli and Ostrogoths) as prophecy said.
Just because 19th century textbook calls an early bishop "a pope", that does not mean that this early bishop really called himself "pope" or that he was called "pope" by others as an official title. The term "pope" as an official title came only in the 6th century. Before that we have a smattering of evidence that some christians leaders were called "abba" or "papa" in endearing way but not as an official universal bishop what papacy is today.
The Bible says about the pope: "...Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the TEMPLE OF GOD, shewing himself that he is God."
Dear brother. 1. Bishop Damasus was not yet 'pope', the bishop of Constantinople was considered more important than him. 2. In Damasus' time, Church, although beginning to be corrupt, was still centuries away from what we call today Roman Catholicism. 3. This means that Roman Catholic did not "invent" or "made" Scripture (lol). 4. Early Church recognized most of the apostolic writings as inspired already in 2nd and 3rd centuries, half a millennia before Roman Catholicism ever developed fully.
Long Live the Pope
Until he rots in hell.
Long live Jesus Christ you mean
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Amen God
OKAY then.
Long live the POPE
Good
1000 staircases that seems unbelievable
Excellent🤔
boy they really know how to live in the lap of luxury
Irenaeus does not give a list of popes but of head elders. These head elders were called episcopoi - overseers. They were overseers of the various churches, like Rome, Alexandria, Antioch and other major Christian hubs. Irenaeus gives a list to show that he and his colleagues succeeded the original bishops and they received the office from them. This, according to Ireneaus was supposed to prove that his brand of Christianity had the most pure doctrine and not the gnostics who had no succession.
Before Vulgata there was the old Latin translation called "Itala". It dates from early 3rd century. Because there seem to have been several versions of Itala flowing around with some variations bishop Damasus appointed Jerome to make a new Latin translation from already existent Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. This also shows that there were several Greek manuscripts of the NT before Vulgata was framed such as Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus and Vaticanus...etc... feeling better now bro?
They said "modest study", "simple bedroom", "astonisingly simple dining room" when they spoke about the Pope's residence. The entire structure is not a traditional palace. It's a series of buildings that contain apartments, offices, chapels, the Vatican Library, and the Vatican Museums which are visited by millions of people each year. And as for all of the priceless artwork...it can never be sold or borrowed against. The Church says that it belongs to the people.
You said that these were the same as the letters of John the Apostle, which they are obviously not. I dont even know why you are bringing this up bro.
We all should read Joseph Atwill book on the Christ.
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Allow Jesus to calm your rage against anyone who opposes your views as He calmed the sea of Galilee my friend. We are just dialoguing here.
That's because the ANTICHRIST KNOWS HE IS HATED BY HIS CLERGY AND NEEDS PROTECTION
It's a simple biological variation. It has nothing to do with sin. There's no reason why any loving God would condemn it.
Roman Catholic Church is the proper official name of your religion because there are other Catholic Churches out there, like Greek Catholic Church etc. Also the early "Catholic" Church was not "Roman" fore there were 5 main patriarchal seats, of which only one was in Rome.
that woman in red reminds me of Martha Stewart
This is very primitive argument. Jerome had to use manuscripts containing all the books that were recognized as canonical in order to TRANSLATE them into LATIN. Thus, the canonical books were already in EXISTENCE. Many of them were bound together in manuscript formes and contained all the NT books we have today. BTW, your dear Jerome (who translated Vulgate) did not recognize pseudo-canonical books as inspired. Go to wikipedia type in Deuterocanonical books and scroll down to Jerome :)
AH...SO SAD...SO MUCH HATRED!!! I'm a Catholic. The people around me have different religions but I love them all. It's so simple: Love and never hate. Is it so hard to simple?
@Curtis Jones Hmmm, interesting, considering Jesus instituted Catholicism as the One, True Religion with the start of St. Peter as the head of the earthly church.
Pope Francis did not move to the Papal Palace. So this article is misleading.
He is now Saint John Paul!
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So you thought!!
Also there were greek manuscripts that compiled all the NT writings. They havent had a name per se but they were earlier than Vulgate. Also Vulgate did not consider deutero-canonical writings and inspired. So your Catholic Bible is not so Catholic after all.
his new room is larger than the so called old popes room if you look at the two one after another
"...Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."
You know as well as i do that what you said has no basis in fact. Please direct me to where the Pope said he'd have people jailed for 12 years, it should make for an interesting read.
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
The "scarlet beast" is trump. 666.
5And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration
Let the will of the Lord be done.
The Church is the mafia without the guns. I do respect the Catholic Church though. I mean to be able to stay that strong with all the regimes and dictators, political ideologies and not be wiped out over a 2000 year period is impressive. Lots of backstabbing, swindling, cruelty, injustice involved to do so but still impressive.
you know the bed is one of those thousands of dollar beds made of feathers
It very likely is cheap. The priests prefer really firm beds for some reason.
To you maybe,not everyone my friend
The man is where God knew he would be and what he took part in to be their as he went to war with God.
Hope its big enough for him.
The problem is that you are tracing your heritage to the original apostolic and early catholic church but in the meantime the product (your church) has changed and does not represent the same religion. If you study the early church you would see that it is very close to what Protestants believed (not that I endorse protestants because I am not classical Protestant). As I said, the only thing that modern "Catholic Church" and the early Catholic Church have in common is the name.
Pope Francis decided to take up residence in more simple apartments. Saying he had a palace with a thousand rooms is misleading as the rooms are for the Vatican officials etc to use as offices etc. Also they do not spend a lot on themselves see the same furniture decades later.....
If Jesus Christ was here on earth all these Rich's he would not sit in it no way he would be amongst the poor look at these Rich's could feed millions Jesus Christ would not like this at all ,
The Bible was compiled by the late 4th century by the EARLY CHURCH. The seat of the Early church in the 4th century was not Rome but Constantinople. The traces of Roman Catholic Church as we have it today and its leader the "Pope" did not emerge until 6th or 7th century. Jerome, one of the greatest authorities of the EARLY CHURCH did not consider deuterocanonical books such as Maccabees, Judith, Baruh etc to be canonical. At the council of Cartaghe in 395, these apocryphal books were rejected.
8. Your beloved Jerome and "pope" Damasus only ordered new latin translation of the ALREADY LONG EXISTENT AND RECOGNIZED NEW TESTAMENT BIBLE
9. They both rejected deutero-canonical writings (which many Catholics today cling to) as NON inspired. So if they were already "ROMAN CATHOLIC" in the full sense of today's Roman Catholicism then why do modern Catholics claim deutero-canonical books as inspired when Jerome and Damasus both rejected them?
Amen 🙏
Yeah, but the Roman Catholic Church is famous for not being consistent with the Bible.
And you are famous to judge what is consistent with the Bible and what not. You aren't God.
Is not your money so why do you care? Keep your pennies to yourself, no one is taking them away from you.
Jesus is the saviour the truth the light and the king. There is no other way but through Jesus Christ seek his face and he shall recieve you . in this world of darkness Jesus is the light. The kingdom is at hand . the light shall destroy the darkness. No man on this earth can save but the Lord Jesus Christ saves . He's the king over all people's and tongues.
Your opinion..........I'm Catholic.
He is not rich. Did you watch the video? Did you see the bedroom? He lives in a very normal apartment that is located in a complex that, for the most part is open to the public and is a museum and an office building. After JP II died, tehy had to renovate because rain was dripping in buckets on the floor.
And when are you going to get around to crabbing about the Dalai lama, who has the 1st largest
1:54 Sorry my bad.. Elephant tusks..
Syco path lives n Tennessee isn't a friend of ours bless
The foundation of the Church is Christ. he is the corner stone. Peter was the first rock in the house but many rocks must be added to finish the house. Peter was the first stone because he was the first one to confess Jesus as Christ. All those who come after him add their own stones. Look what the Bible says: you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 2:5
All churches they built were catholic churches until the Greek church broke away
Shame. That church has enough riches to support all the poor people but does nothing but enrich itself.
Tell us what to know. Give us figures.
I'm fact what you are implying if that"that" church needs to sell it's address m assets and give the proceeds to the poor.
Ok... How would the global church function then as it already has set up and operates over 240,000 schools and hospitals globally? The entire Vatican had an operating budget of $330 million annually. The Heinz corporation for an example of another global entity has an operating budget of $1.5 billion.
Stop listening to haters.
America is A CONTINENT...
the united states OF America is a COUNTRY ON THE AMERICAN CONTINENT.. American from "America"...
Of course, he refused to occupy the Apostolic Palace where all Popes have lived. He said he would be lonesome there. Pope Francis chose to live at Santa Marta residence behind St. Peter's and be with his brother priests.
What makes you think I am Protestant?I am not a Protestant in a classical sense.I am a Bible believer.My Church has the same doctrine as the 1st century Christianity.I belong to the fastest growing religion in the world. We teach the truth as it is. I was merely responding to your misuse of history. The problem is that you refuse to accept the truth now because your heart is biased and very closed.Also u need education. It's ok. One day you will maybe see and accept the truth. I still love u.
Dear brother. Ignatius wrote five letters but these were not the same as John the Revelator. The five letters of Ignatius were letters to Antioch, Smyrna, Ephesus, Philippi and Italy. The letters of John were to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea. I think you are getting confused. I am praying for you to come out of Babylon.
From a Christian perspective, it's not something to be proud of because God isn't pleased. From the skeptic's perspective, this is utter stupidity as Catholicism requires that you really fail to understand both what the Bible says as well as what reality has to say about the Bible. It's like living in an imaginary world that you created within an imaginary world that you created.
Roman Catholic theologians do not teach that they are the same as the Early Church. Nobody buys that. In contrary they teach that the authority of the Church popes and councils is above the authority of the Scriptures and that the Church has the right to change the Scripture doctrines and thus they justify the fact that they HAVE DEPARTED SO MUCH from the teachings of the New Testament.
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then they blessed him,, its one or the other,,,
jesus christ would surely recommend all this lavishness and great hall for few well fed people than a homeless person
Yes.
Which do YOU think Jesus would have said:
a) "The poor you have always with you."
b) "Why was not this [chair] sold for three hundred [dollars], and given to the poor?"
In case you didn't know, Jesus said the first and Judas [the traitor] said the second (John 5).
Ouch. Facts have got to hurt...
Nope! False report!
the truth will be known",
Your welcome??? I guess...I think you are mistaking me for a CARDINAL. I am not a cardinal..