A engineer told me a long time ago the way they keep their job is to figure out how to make something cheaper to last a certain amout of time. After that how to repair to keep it running was not their department, that was another department. As long as they could sell new they worked on making it cheaper. When people stopped buying them they would come out with a new inproved one as they would advertise not talking about just how bad they had made the old one over years by cutting cost. The new improve ones would be tested by the buyers after the company had already gotten paid.
What a great informative video Johnny.. Making sure things are apples to apples seems to slip by some of these dudes. Always look forward to your vids and mower talk. 👍
Johnny...good vid. You may not have meant to, but your in your first frame comparison, you were pointing to the un-sprung portion of the Ferris front castor control arm which is lighter by design. Automotive/racing engineers always seek to make those un-sprung components strong, but as light as possible. This is to allow more responsive front wheel response, up and down over uneven ground, resulting in better, and longer ground contact for better ride, and control. Blessings. PS: I run Ferris my self, and have for seven years now, with good success, and no frame welding or weights needed..
Johnny- been watching videos and I actually and down to a 2020 Toro titan 60" with the my ride suspension or the 2020 Ferris is700 with 61" deck. Mowing 3 acers mostly flat little rough with some ditches and heavier grass. Recommendation?
Thanks for the feedback! The more tests we do, the better they get. Glad to see more products being compared and weighed in on, it really helps everyone make educated choices.
seeing this in 2022- i bought a 2022 IS700 Ferris for my house, so far very happy with it. If Toro didn't care about their product, I would not buy it in the future.
Excellent video. We run Ferris mowers. The 3200Z 37hp/72” to be specific. Right now we are shopping for next year to see if there’s somebody that has a better mouse trap. Right now nobody compares to the Ferris in ride. Nobody! We mow large (very rough) commercial properties and the 3200Z is what it takes to do them. As far as cut quality, a lot of it has to do with the blades. I’ve researched several types and makes of blades and seemingly have came up with a formula that works for us.
I have a a Ferris IS3000 and a Ferris IS5100. I've hit hidden stumps with the deck of both a couple of times. Didn't faze the deck. It is reinforced where it needs to be and that's what they'll tell you in their marketing. Johnny's Ferris is known for having that weakness where he had to weld. I've heard they have improved it to make that area stronger. As far as comfort, I am hoping other manufacturers will improve the ride quality of their machines to the level of the Ferris. You might be fine with the harsh rides when you're young but, it will work on your back and, if you operate a Z turn without a good suspension system, it will damage your back over the years. That's the most important reason why I own my Ferris Mowers and won't consider another until the other manufactures improve the ride.
Johnny - I am homeowner with 6 acres to mow, trees and some hillside. Trying to decide between 61” ISX800 and Scag Patriot. Not concerned too much about beautiful lawn, but I want reliable equipment suited to task. Thoughts?
just bought a ferris is 160 upgraded from ferris 400....so excited to start using it this year......most of my yards are half acre to 1 acre country lawns.....think i went with the right mower
just checked ferris specs 1398lbs on 61 28efi 2200 and 1470 on 37 hp 61 3300. that's not a big difference Jonny but the kawasaki option fx801 is 1295lbs so the vanguard is that much weight in a 28 efi wow
Johnny, you may remember I bought an Exmark Lazer z years ago and it was stolen with 34 hrs on it. In fact, I still have the premium seat upgrade for it that I never put on. Are you saying that I could possibly use that premium seat from my exmark on a Ferris 2100 if I get another Z?
Just demoed the big 61" ferris. I cut in the south. Ferris seemed to leave stragglers. So strange how different mowers work better in different areas. Around here it's hustler, john dere, and Toro
People just don't say their honest thoughts because their afraid that the company who makes the mower won't let them demo their mower again. Also, In one of Brian's video he demoded a Toro Grand Multi-force and took it to a field to mow 2ft tall grass and then compared it to a one purpose no additional implements mower. Which, is very unfair because your comparing a machine that can do more than just mow grass to a machine that is just designed to mow grass. I don't mean to just pick on Brian here, other youtuber's have done this also. But, great video Johnny. Are you planning on going to the GIE this year?
You mentioned that the Ferris deck is "only" 10 gauge but it is reinforced while the other one is 7 gauge. I guess that might make a difference if you're bulldozing stumps or something, but if you're just mowing lawns seems like the reinforced 10 gauge should be plenty strong enough. I have a Ferris Z700 61"cut and a John Deere X394 with a 48" deck lawn tractor that my wife and I use to mow 25 lawns with and the John Deere deck is holding up nicely. It has 1300 Hours on it with no cracks, dents, dings or anything else. I think the deck thickness has become almost a fix to a non existent problem. If you're careful mowing, watch what you're doing, a lighter deck shouldn't be much of a problem. I wonder if the Ferris having more horsepower and torque might explain the non clumping as well as the issues you pointed out. If the engine has more power I would think it should throw the clippings more evenly. Mine throws the clippings more evenly than the Deere. But I'm comparing a 61" deck and 27hp to a 48"deck with 22hp. There's really no comparison in this case. I'd never be without either of them if I could help it. The Deere can get through wet stuff much better than the Ferris, probably because of the huge weight difference, but the Ferris can mow twice as fast because of the speed and deck size. Anyway, I digress. This was about the most unbiased review I've seen in a long time. Great job, thanks.
Johnny - I was at my dealer today and I found out that purchasing 3 or more at a time gets full fleet. I can't do Ferris anymore because that dealer is way too far away. So, was looking to go Scag. However, the Toro Grandstand is only $450 more per unit... Seriously leaning towards Toro now. Thoughts?
Excellent content Johnny. It's quality material. I have one complaint and I know you've said before that your not into expencive camera equipment which is understandable. However unless your still using a bag phone, most normal cell phones will record in HD now and this video is so blurry we can hardly see with the 240 resolution. I have to believe that it's just a setting or something that your missing here. Please let me know what your recording with and how your getting it posted, I'd like to help you improve the display quality. Your videos are inspiring and i feel like there is so much more to get out of them if we can just get a clear picture. I should record before and after shots of my turbo force deck after my monday route. I fill a 5 gal bucket every week with the stuff thats stuck under it. Cut quality goes to shit by the end of the day. It cuts so nice the first half of the day but it sucks how much i have to clean out of the deck daily.
I have thought about this as well. Either a camera he is still kicking from 2000, or the phone is set to record in the lowest quality possible to keep file sizes small.
Ferris 3100 are awesome machines...Briggs and Stratton engines are the only thing we have problems with on them. The Commercial Turf engines are not that great. Oil seals, burning oil on hills when laying over on the right side, and we have had a couple of ignition coil fail.
@@JohnnyMow, we have two Vanguards that we have had no problems with. It's only the Commercial Turf Briggs engines we have had issues with. We have 10 of them and they have all been out of the mower to have crankshaft seals replaced. About half of them have had ignition coils replaced. One carburetor.
Any sports car enthusiast can tell you about the importance of unsprung weight. Magnesium wheels were not invented as bling. The Ferris has independent front suspension and low unsprung weight. That is good for cut quality and ride comfort. It is not good for pushing around dumpsters. The Ferris is a sports car and the Toro is a tank! A more important question is who is the driver. If the driver owns the mower, then go Ferris. If the driver is a hung over employee, then you need the Toro. In this case, survivability trumps finesse.
So basically $1500 difference is simply the deck because that would get you to next series of Ferris which would have better build quality and hill stability.
Mm i hav a farris 680 Kawasaki motor had it 2 years now no Issues at all Except just ur reguler Maintenance but mine duzz a great job on the lawn plus it looks great i cut when grass is wet ,dry ,high grass i hav no Issues with my farris my friend has a Toro my farris duzz a better job i dont hav hills where i mow so dont no much about that but it takes me 3 hours to cut my grass farris duzz a great job
PS, we'll make sure to have a super equal comparison in a few weeks. Things always in the works. Rock on.
I am subbed for 4 years now Brian, keep kicking grass
A engineer told me a long time ago the way they keep their job is to figure out how to make something cheaper to last a certain amout of time. After that how to repair to keep it running was not their department, that was another department. As long as they could sell new they worked on making it cheaper. When people stopped buying them they would come out with a new inproved one as they would advertise not talking about just how bad they had made the old one over years by cutting cost. The new improve ones would be tested by the buyers after the company had already gotten paid.
What a great informative video Johnny.. Making sure things are apples to apples seems to slip by some of these dudes. Always look forward to your vids and mower talk. 👍
With the toro, I have a 6000 with a 31 kawi and throttling back a little with wet grass helps reduce the build up but it may be tough with the 25 hp.
Palmer Marcus it is. There is not enough power in that mower. With only 747cc it’s not the best
Great review.. Thanks Johnny.. 😉 👍
Thank you Johnny!!! Compare mowers that similar in model, engine size, etc :) excellent feedback brother.
I'd spend $1500 less for the Ferris all day. Good solid mower with suspension. I haven't had any problems with them.
Kevin R they are a great mower and even better company
Johnny...good vid. You may not have meant to, but your in your first frame comparison, you were pointing to the un-sprung portion of the Ferris front castor control arm which is lighter by design. Automotive/racing engineers always seek to make those un-sprung components strong, but as light as possible. This is to allow more responsive front wheel response, up and down over uneven ground, resulting in better, and longer ground contact for better ride, and control. Blessings. PS: I run Ferris my self, and have for seven years now, with good success, and no frame welding or weights needed..
Great review/comparison.
It's almost 4th quarter, baby! We're coming onto the home stretch!
Johnny- been watching videos and I actually and down to a 2020 Toro titan 60" with the my ride suspension or the 2020 Ferris is700 with 61" deck. Mowing 3 acers mostly flat little rough with some ditches and heavier grass. Recommendation?
Thanks for the feedback! The more tests we do, the better they get. Glad to see more products being compared and weighed in on, it really helps everyone make educated choices.
seeing this in 2022- i bought a 2022 IS700 Ferris for my house, so far very happy with it. If Toro didn't care about their product, I would not buy it in the future.
i have a 4acre flat property which zero turn? deck size? i cut it in pieces about a acre a day thx which engine?
Have you tried the Toro MyRide? Curious how it compares in comfort to the Ferris.
Kevin Levick yes and it does not compare
Excellent video. We run Ferris mowers.
The 3200Z 37hp/72” to be specific. Right now we are shopping for next year to see if there’s somebody that has a better mouse trap. Right now nobody compares to the Ferris in ride. Nobody!
We mow large (very rough) commercial properties and the 3200Z is what it takes to do them.
As far as cut quality, a lot of it has to do with the blades. I’ve researched several types and makes of blades and seemingly have came up with a formula that works for us.
ChrisCross LawnCare can u share the formula?
I have a a Ferris IS3000 and a Ferris IS5100. I've hit hidden stumps with the deck of both a couple of times. Didn't faze the deck. It is reinforced where it needs to be and that's what they'll tell you in their marketing. Johnny's Ferris is known for having that weakness where he had to weld. I've heard they have improved it to make that area stronger. As far as comfort, I am hoping other manufacturers will improve the ride quality of their machines to the level of the Ferris. You might be fine with the harsh rides when you're young but, it will work on your back and, if you operate a Z turn without a good suspension system, it will damage your back over the years. That's the most important reason why I own my Ferris Mowers and won't consider another until the other manufactures improve the ride.
dnsmithnc you are absolutely correct
Great vid, I am looking at new mowers currently and have been leaning toward the Z master.
Johnny - I am homeowner with 6 acres to mow, trees and some hillside. Trying to decide between 61” ISX800 and Scag Patriot. Not concerned too much about beautiful lawn, but I want reliable equipment suited to task. Thoughts?
Jeff Weber is800 by far
Toro does NOT put an hour meter on their residential line. Why? Small things like this troubles me. Home owners need the hour meter to do service
Yeah I have the Ferris 3200 much heavier build but yeah I see your point Johnny thanks
I have had 8 Ferris mowers and my crew knows we got the best equipment!
I have a 6000 series. Take that turbo baffle off and put gravely blades on it. Game changer
just bought a ferris is 160 upgraded from ferris 400....so excited to start using it this year......most of my yards are half acre to 1 acre country lawns.....think i went with the right mower
larry siers good mower
@@JohnnyMow it was between that , scag patriot and exmark radius.....
Out of those mowers you named you def went with the right one
Very well said.
would you buy the 2200 or 3300 and why?
2200 weight is the main reason
just checked ferris specs 1398lbs on 61 28efi 2200 and 1470 on 37 hp 61 3300. that's not a big difference Jonny but the kawasaki option fx801 is 1295lbs so the vanguard is that much weight in a 28 efi wow
Johnny, you may remember I bought an Exmark Lazer z years ago and it was stolen with 34 hrs on it. In fact, I still have the premium seat upgrade for it that I never put on. Are you saying that I could possibly use that premium seat from my exmark on a Ferris 2100 if I get another Z?
rbljackson yes
Just demoed the big 61" ferris. I cut in the south. Ferris seemed to leave stragglers. So strange how different mowers work better in different areas. Around here it's hustler, john dere, and Toro
Always speaking the truth, god speed good sir and happy to have ya back
I had to weld the track bar too
Stephen Doyle looks like they made it a bit stronger now. But I always check it
People just don't say their honest thoughts because their afraid that the company who makes the mower won't let them demo their mower again. Also, In one of Brian's video he demoded a Toro Grand Multi-force and took it to a field to mow 2ft tall grass and then compared it to a one purpose no additional implements mower. Which, is very unfair because your comparing a machine that can do more than just mow grass to a machine that is just designed to mow grass. I don't mean to just pick on Brian here, other youtuber's have done this also. But, great video Johnny. Are you planning on going to the GIE this year?
What motor on the 2100 how do you like it
You mentioned that the Ferris deck is "only" 10 gauge but it is reinforced while the other one is 7 gauge. I guess that might make a difference if you're bulldozing stumps or something, but if you're just mowing lawns seems like the reinforced 10 gauge should be plenty strong enough. I have a Ferris Z700 61"cut and a John Deere X394 with a 48" deck lawn tractor that my wife and I use to mow 25 lawns with and the John Deere deck is holding up nicely. It has 1300 Hours on it with no cracks, dents, dings or anything else. I think the deck thickness has become almost a fix to a non existent problem. If you're careful mowing, watch what you're doing, a lighter deck shouldn't be much of a problem. I wonder if the Ferris having more horsepower and torque might explain the non clumping as well as the issues you pointed out. If the engine has more power I would think it should throw the clippings more evenly. Mine throws the clippings more evenly than the Deere. But I'm comparing a 61" deck and 27hp to a 48"deck with 22hp. There's really no comparison in this case. I'd never be without either of them if I could help it. The Deere can get through wet stuff much better than the Ferris, probably because of the huge weight difference, but the Ferris can mow twice as fast because of the speed and deck size. Anyway, I digress. This was about the most unbiased review I've seen in a long time. Great job, thanks.
Thanks Johnny👍
Why does ferris not offer a 52 on the 3100? I also dont understand why they took off the 5400 hydros on the 2100.
John Hill I will be doing a video on this very soon I think I know why.
Between the z master and 2100 which transmission do you prefer? I like the integrated parkers on the toros. How do the 5400s compare in longevity?
Longevity would be the 5400
I love my red tech. No issues in 3 years
What about the my ride system on toro?
Happy your back thanks for taken the time to make videos
Johnny - I was at my dealer today and I found out that purchasing 3 or more at a time gets full fleet. I can't do Ferris anymore because that dealer is way too far away. So, was looking to go Scag. However, the Toro Grandstand is only $450 more per unit... Seriously leaning towards Toro now.
Thoughts?
ABC LawnWorks I love toro! Are you cutting mostly fescue?
Johnny Mow yes with some rye and very little blue
I currently own a Vride, and am looking at a Grandstand. Do you feel the Turbo force deck performs the same no matter what type of mower its on ?
Fraser Landscape yes.
Fraser Landscape not a fan of the grandstand s ride tho. The front pops up to easy
well done
Take out the turbo baffle. I took it out on mine and it shoots better
I’m going to try this. You are the third person who suggested this
Excellent content Johnny. It's quality material. I have one complaint and I know you've said before that your not into expencive camera equipment which is understandable. However unless your still using a bag phone, most normal cell phones will record in HD now and this video is so blurry we can hardly see with the 240 resolution. I have to believe that it's just a setting or something that your missing here. Please let me know what your recording with and how your getting it posted, I'd like to help you improve the display quality. Your videos are inspiring and i feel like there is so much more to get out of them if we can just get a clear picture.
I should record before and after shots of my turbo force deck after my monday route. I fill a 5 gal bucket every week with the stuff thats stuck under it. Cut quality goes to shit by the end of the day. It cuts so nice the first half of the day but it sucks how much i have to clean out of the deck daily.
I have thought about this as well. Either a camera he is still kicking from 2000, or the phone is set to record in the lowest quality possible to keep file sizes small.
Is that a 61 or 52 ferris?
Ferris 3100 are awesome machines...Briggs and Stratton engines are the only thing we have problems with on them. The Commercial Turf engines are not that great. Oil seals, burning oil on hills when laying over on the right side, and we have had a couple of ignition coil fail.
Proffitt's Drone Service vanguards have done well for me so far
@@JohnnyMow, we have two Vanguards that we have had no problems with. It's only the Commercial Turf Briggs engines we have had issues with. We have 10 of them and they have all been out of the mower to have crankshaft seals replaced. About half of them have had ignition coils replaced. One carburetor.
I'll go with the Ferris all day long.
I love my ferris.
Any sports car enthusiast can tell you about the importance of unsprung weight. Magnesium wheels were not invented as bling. The Ferris has independent front suspension and low unsprung weight. That is good for cut quality and ride comfort. It is not good for pushing around dumpsters. The Ferris is a sports car and the Toro is a tank! A more important question is who is the driver. If the driver owns the mower, then go Ferris. If the driver is a hung over employee, then you need the Toro. In this case, survivability trumps finesse.
OldSloGuy wow that was a great explanation. What would u choose
Good revue
Johnny Mows and Johnny knows.
i wish johnny mow had HD video , lol.
Thanks!
Fuel usage: I want to know gallons per hour.
I think Ferris is the better bang for the buck. I agree that Toro is not worth $1500 more than that Ferris.
🤔 comfort is King!
So basically $1500 difference is simply the deck because that would get you to next series of Ferris which would have better build quality and hill stability.
Good to see you're back. I missed you man!
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I’ll take gravely over both and a lot other mowers
Huh my ISX 3300 FERRIS 72 in cut is far superior to TORO my dealer is outstanding
Guess what. Scag turf tiger 2 walks all over both of them. The undisputed KING. I have had toro and exmark and for me both mediocre mowers.
Mm i hav a farris 680 Kawasaki motor had it 2 years now no Issues at all Except just ur reguler Maintenance but mine duzz a great job on the lawn plus it looks great i cut when grass is wet ,dry ,high grass i hav no Issues with my farris my friend has a Toro my farris duzz a better job i dont hav hills where i mow so dont no much about that but it takes me 3 hours to cut my grass farris duzz a great job