Sweet little gun. Bit short of stock for my tastes (or defintely "non youth" arms) but very accurate. Last month I cleaned up my own find of one, tucked forgotton up in a barn loft and so dirty I disregarded it for months thinking it was some beat-up BB gun.
Classic.designed by John Browning. Forerunner to the model 58, 60 and 67. Also our Lithgow in Australia. Have restored a few and glad you saved this old girl.
Thanks for checking out the video. I had to check out the history of Lithgow And it’s quite intriguing. I can see the strong resemblance of the Model 1. I think I like the Model 1’s bolt handle and cocking knob a little better. I think I’m going to go the rabbit hole a little more and see what else I can learn about Lithgow.
@@oddballschtuff.yep your model 60 introduced in 1930 had the improved bolt and handle and the sear was slightly changed. Our no.1 was almost identical to it and the 67. It was introduced in 1945 so probably based more on the 67. The 1a and 1b have the trigger attached to the receiver instead of the stock. The Lithgow museum are doing a book which I hope will give some info on patent payments etc. I love all these old single shots and have quite a few but none as old as yours. Thanks for the vid.
Got one passed down from generations i am 45 my son still shoots it and shoots flat my grandmother shot this gun my son 8 hits 10" targets three inch all aroundbulls eye free hand at 50 yards this is a great gun
That’s so cool. Nothing beats a family heirloom, especially when it performs beautifully. These are great guns. Im glad yours has such a good link to past generations and shoots dead on!
My Dad's first gun was one with no bump on the fore end and it had a blade rear sight with a groove cut in it. Also the butt plate is different. Great Grand Daddy would let him shoot it at least one time when they went hunting at a can or what not. When he got bigger about 7 the farmers would call him over to dispatch their hogs with it. said to aim at the dimple on their forehead and they would just crumple with their legs up under them. Dad passed in 2009 at the age of 90.
These kinds of stories are what make a gun special. Hopefully you were able to inherit that gun and pass it along to your kids, making memories all along the way.
Excellent, these are cool guns. They patented these in 1899 but didn’t introduce them until 1904. I may be able to help you date it, or at least close to when it was made. Does it say model 1904 or Model 04? What ammunition does it say it’s chambered for on the barrel?
@@Vanon_Vanya I don’t have a lot of information on the 1902, but I found a little. It was a John Browning design, and he is one of the great gun designers of the world. That alone is pretty cool. It was produced from 1902-1930. It replaced the Model 1900 with some improvements such as the redesigned trigger guard and a butt plate. It looks like your butt plate is hard rubber. They changed it to the rubber from a metal crescent butt plate in 1904. In 1914 they chambered it in 22 Extra long. From what I can find, you have a 2nd variation carbine from between 1904-1913. That’s pretty neat. It’s older than mine and looks like it’s in good shape. Your a lucky guy. Thanks for checking out my video. I enjoyed yours, even though I only speak English. Basically, the Model 1900, 1902, and 1904 are the same gun with minor variations. The Model 1904 has a heavier 21” barrel vs the 18” barrel of the 1900 & 1902’s. It was given the metal crescent butt plate, but these are really minor differences. It’s like they are brothers. Thanks for sharing yours with me. I checked a few resources and they seam to all agree. I may have made a mistake on the dates, but looks like you have an early version. Have a great day!
If you keep dry firing that rifle your gonna break the firing pin it's a old rimfire and everytime you dry fire the pin its slamming into the chamber face and can also damage that also can really mess it up just a tip for ya man
Thanks, it’s in rough shape and is a mantle piece. It’s rust pitted inside and out, so I’m not too worried. But if it were in better shape, I’d definitely be more cautious. It’s rifling is shot as well.
The best guns are the used ones with a good history. Mint condition guns might have more value, but guns that have been used by our grandparents, priceless.
Thank you for your interesting video. I was fortunate to be able to pick up one in actually REASONABLE CONDITION considering its age. By the markings on the barrel I deduced that it was made between 1914-1919 because of the model 1904 and EXTRA LONG present on the barrel. Stock was in Ok condition (no cracks or gouges) just some light rust on the butt plate and on most of the barrel. The BORE is in GOOD+ condition. Have fun shooting your piece of HISTORY.😮😊
Nice find! Sounds like you got a fantastic fire arm. It’s always fun shoot a piece of history that’s over one hundred years old. I hope you have fun shooting yours as well.
That is one thing special about these guns. The more I hear from people, the more it’s evident that many of these guns link us to someone special in our lives or back to an experience in our past. Thanks for sharing your comment.
I have the exact same model 1904,,it says .22 short and long,,nothing about extra long or long rifle,,,it must be older,,and it is in very very good shape,,I still use it for grouse,,,
I bet she’s a beauty of a gun. If I have understood right, yours is one of the first variations between 1904 and 1914. That is definitely a treasure. Thanks for the comment!
@@davejohnson3271 that really is something else. You can’t even buy a box of 50 .22 LR for that nowadays!!! That history and family connection really makes a gun more than the sum of its parts, but a literal extension uniting the past and the present. That is so cool! Enjoy your grouse hunting with that little gun!
@@kirkstinson7316 I appreciate your comment and checking out the video. I also respect your opinion. But to say never, is simply not true or correct. Many rim fire guns should not be dry fired, but it is not damaging to all rim fires. For one example, the Ruger 10-22 manual specifically addresses this item and states it is safe and okay to dry fire this firearm. It has much to do with the individual design of the firearm rather than the fact it’s a rim fire. If you desire to dry fire a firearm, any firearm, you must look at them one by one, refer to the manual if available, and look at its design if not. As for my 1904, look at it, dry firing is the least of its worries. It is a mantle gun, although it does work safely, it has only value as a visual display, and that is only about $100 or so. If it’s firing pin or barrel we’re damaged, it would be no worse for it than the pitted lands, chamber, rifling, exterior, and lack of a full front sight post. Enjoy your time at the range and may 2021 be better than 2020. Thanks, OBS
It was a fun project. Even though its not accurate, it's still fun to shoot. Its rifling is bad, so I think its only worth $150-$200 USD. if it was in excellent condition, it would go for $800-1,800 USD. Fue un proyecto divertido. Aunque no es preciso, es divertido disparar. Su estriado es malo, así que creo que solo vale entre $ 150 y $ 200 USD. si estuviera en excelentes condiciones, costaría $ 800-1,800 USD.
That’s very true, and if this gun was more of a sentimental gun to me, I might have done that. Strangely, I do find a small amount of joy in the crunchiness of this gun.
This gun was pitted from rust, inside and out. Dry firing is the least of this guns problems. Dry firing it will not hurt it beyond what’s been done to it already. This gun won’t fail though, it’s survived 100 years of pure abuse and still works. It’s a tough mamba jamba. The occasional dry fire keeps it young😉. Not every rim fire can take this kind of abuse though for sure.
I used Naval Jelly. I would not suggest it for restorations as it takes the metal down to bare metal and removes bluing. But, it did work great at removing rust.
i want to ask two questions? first what is the maximum effective range of this rifle(for short .22 bullets)? 2nd is it not safe to shoot from this model? i am asking because i have one of this model. if it is a faulty model i never use it again
I would say about 100-150 yards for squirrel sized animals, but that’s a small target with open sights. As for safety, if your gun is in good condition, there should not be any danger to use it. The model is great and will last another 10 life times if taken care of. My gun was not taken care of and was left outside for what appeared to be years. It was not the firearm, but the neglect that made me concerned. But, after cleaning it up, mine is fully safe and reliable. I have shot hundred of rounds through it. But because of the damage to the crown, chamber, rifling, and the sights, mine is not accurate. I shoot 22 LR out of it with no issues, because my barrel is marked 22 extra long, so it can handle the 22 LR. If yours is only marked for 22 short, then stick with that. That would also indicate you have an early rifle, which is pretty cool. These are wonderful little youth guns. In fact, I need to take mine out shooting again soon.
This model of gun is one that you do not want to dry fire if you have one. This is true. You would have to dry fire it hundreds or thousands of times to develop a problem, but it does not have anything to restrict the firing pin from hitting the barrel side of the chamber.
I didn’t know how well it would seal in the gases. They are built well, but not to be abused. This one was neglected and left out in the rain and humidity when I first saw it. Even the wood was covered entirely in rust that dripped from off the barrel and action. The risk was low with it being a low pressure round, but I still didn’t want gas blasting me in the face.
That is the patent date, they didn’t make this model that early, it was the introduced in 1904. They are tough to date though. If it says Mod 1904 it’s pre Feb 1919. If it says Mod 04, it’s after 1919. Depending on what ammo is listed on it will further help date it. I’m glad you’ve got one of these, they are cool little guns.
Just found one of these...actually 2 but only bought one. I purchased the 1902 youth model listed extra long. I bet I it weighs 2 pounds at the most. I redid the stock over the weekend, soaked the receiver and barrel in vinegar. After a few hours all the metal looked like stainless steel with rust removed. I filed off all the pitting that was hidden under the rust balls and will be Oxpho bluing the complete gun today. Luckily my rifling and chamber was filled with grease and looks great. Mine looks almost like brand new now. My wood is ridiculous cool gumwood but doesn’t have a cool old school shape like yours. I can’t wait to shoot it! ...It will be my new trap line gun! Awesome video,Thanks for sharing. I posted my project gun here. You can see the before and after around post #26 castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?418267-Need-help-with-info-on-a-lee-enfield-and-other-rifles-i-picked-up-today&p=5110274#post5110274
That turned out excellent. I’ve never seen that kind of grain on gum wood before. It is gorgeous. Aside from the pitting, the exterior metal looked like it was in very nice shape. I can’t wait to see the final bluing once your done. Thanks for that link to your posted pictures. That is going to be a nice little treasure. I bet your dad is going to love it. It’s intriguing how simple and light these guns are. I’m going to have to check out the Oxpho bluing. The Birchwood Casey bluing just wasn’t my favorite after using it. I need to remove the bluing from the bolt to bring it closer to the original finish. Good luck on your last finishing touches!
@@oddballschtuff I blued the complete rifle a few hours ago and just got done putting it back together. I test fired it twice. The chamber must be dirty because the first shell didn’t want to eject. I cycled it twice after I fired it abs the case popped out about a 1/4” . I pulled it out. I ran a bore snake through it before and on between shots. The second time I fired it the shell ejected right out of the gun when I cycled it after firing. She looks and works like brand new again. I posted more pictures of it finished if you click on the same link. Oxpho bluing worked great as usual. My sights are non adjustable so hopefully it’s dead on. Hoping I will be minute of squirrel out to 25 yards.
That’s pretty cool. Hopefully it’s working really well for you. It’s design is by one of the greatest, if not the greatest gun designer, the world has ever seen. You have a nice little treasure there.
I have a 1900 that was my Great Grandfathers. My 9yo shoots it every time we go to the range. Awesome little gun.
A true family heirloom!
I have one here in South Africa and the lower ejector part was missing. Used a spanner and made one from the metal works perfectly now.
Now that’s ingenuity!
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Sweet little gun. Bit short of stock for my tastes (or defintely "non youth" arms) but very accurate. Last month I cleaned up my own find of one, tucked forgotton up in a barn loft and so dirty I disregarded it for months thinking it was some beat-up BB gun.
What a cool barn find! Good to hear it’s shooting straight, mines a little to far gone for that.
I have one my grandfather gave me 53 years ago...love shooting it
Sweet. Hang onto that one forever!
Classic.designed by John Browning. Forerunner to the model 58, 60 and 67. Also our Lithgow in Australia. Have restored a few and glad you saved this old girl.
Thanks for checking out the video. I had to check out the history of Lithgow And it’s quite intriguing. I can see the strong resemblance of the Model 1. I think I like the Model 1’s bolt handle and cocking knob a little better. I think I’m going to go the rabbit hole a little more and see what else I can learn about Lithgow.
@@oddballschtuff.yep your model 60 introduced in 1930 had the improved bolt and handle and the sear was slightly changed. Our no.1 was almost identical to it and the 67. It was introduced in 1945 so probably based more on the 67. The 1a and 1b have the trigger attached to the receiver instead of the stock. The Lithgow museum are doing a book which I hope will give some info on patent payments etc. I love all these old single shots and have quite a few but none as old as yours. Thanks for the vid.
I love guns and history...you covered both
Well said, in my world you can’t just throw a gun away,thanks for the post
Thanks for the video nice guns.
Your welcome, thanks for watching.
Got one passed down from generations i am 45 my son still shoots it and shoots flat my grandmother shot this gun my son 8 hits 10" targets three inch all aroundbulls eye free hand at 50 yards this is a great gun
That’s so cool. Nothing beats a family heirloom, especially when it performs beautifully. These are great guns. Im glad yours has such a good link to past generations and shoots dead on!
My Dad's first gun was one with no bump on the fore end and it had a blade rear sight with a groove cut in it. Also the butt plate is different. Great Grand Daddy would let him shoot it at least one time when they went hunting at a can or what not. When he got bigger about 7 the farmers would call him over to dispatch their hogs with it. said to aim at the dimple on their forehead and they would just crumple with their legs up under them. Dad passed in 2009 at the age of 90.
These kinds of stories are what make a gun special. Hopefully you were able to inherit that gun and pass it along to your kids, making memories all along the way.
@@oddballschtuff I got all his guns so I passed them out to his grandkids. Don't remember which one got that gun.
I have one of those, it is identical. An authentic relic.
Mine is from August 1899.
Excellent, these are cool guns. They patented these in 1899 but didn’t introduce them until 1904. I may be able to help you date it, or at least close to when it was made. Does it say model 1904 or Model 04? What ammunition does it say it’s chambered for on the barrel?
Manufaqtured by the Winchester Repeating Arms co Model 1902 Winchester.
N W Haven Conn. U.S.A. Patented August 29 1899.
22 Short - Long.
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@@Vanon_Vanya I don’t have a lot of information on the 1902, but I found a little. It was a John Browning design, and he is one of the great gun designers of the world. That alone is pretty cool. It was produced from 1902-1930. It replaced the Model 1900 with some improvements such as the redesigned trigger guard and a butt plate. It looks like your butt plate is hard rubber. They changed it to the rubber from a metal crescent butt plate in 1904. In 1914 they chambered it in 22 Extra long. From what I can find, you have a 2nd variation carbine from between 1904-1913. That’s pretty neat. It’s older than mine and looks like it’s in good shape. Your a lucky guy. Thanks for checking out my video. I enjoyed yours, even though I only speak English. Basically, the Model 1900, 1902, and 1904 are the same gun with minor variations. The Model 1904 has a heavier 21” barrel vs the 18” barrel of the 1900 & 1902’s. It was given the metal crescent butt plate, but these are really minor differences. It’s like they are brothers. Thanks for sharing yours with me. I checked a few resources and they seam to all agree. I may have made a mistake on the dates, but looks like you have an early version. Have a great day!
If you keep dry firing that rifle your gonna break the firing pin it's a old rimfire and everytime you dry fire the pin its slamming into the chamber face and can also damage that also can really mess it up just a tip for ya man
Thanks, it’s in rough shape and is a mantle piece. It’s rust pitted inside and out, so I’m not too worried. But if it were in better shape, I’d definitely be more cautious. It’s rifling is shot as well.
I have a 04A 1927-35 from what I can tell it was my grandpas also has a crack in the stock but still functions great
The best guns are the used ones with a good history. Mint condition guns might have more value, but guns that have been used by our grandparents, priceless.
Thank you for your interesting video. I was fortunate to be able to pick up one in actually REASONABLE CONDITION considering its age. By the markings on the barrel I deduced that it was made between 1914-1919 because of the model 1904 and EXTRA LONG present on the barrel. Stock was in Ok condition (no cracks or gouges) just some light rust on the butt plate and on most of the barrel. The BORE is in GOOD+ condition. Have fun shooting your piece of HISTORY.😮😊
Nice find! Sounds like you got a fantastic fire arm. It’s always fun shoot a piece of history that’s over one hundred years old. I hope you have fun shooting yours as well.
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Inherited this from a good old friend of mine that passed away. Good video.
That is one thing special about these guns. The more I hear from people, the more it’s evident that many of these guns link us to someone special in our lives or back to an experience in our past. Thanks for sharing your comment.
do you know where i could get a stock for one of those?
Check on eBay and Numrich. I would think they are hard to find though.
I have the exact same model 1904,,it says .22 short and long,,nothing about extra long or long rifle,,,it must be older,,and it is in very very good shape,,I still use it for grouse,,,
I bet she’s a beauty of a gun. If I have understood right, yours is one of the first variations between 1904 and 1914. That is definitely a treasure. Thanks for the comment!
@@oddballschtuff Just talked to my dad tonight,,hes 92 now,,he told me that great grampa paid $2.50 ,brand new,,lol
@@davejohnson3271 that really is something else. You can’t even buy a box of 50 .22 LR for that nowadays!!! That history and family connection really makes a gun more than the sum of its parts, but a literal extension uniting the past and the present. That is so cool! Enjoy your grouse hunting with that little gun!
Please don't dry fire a rimfire.
Thanks for the comment. Great advise for some makes and models of rimfire guns.
@@oddballschtuff
No, for ALL rimfires
@@kirkstinson7316 I appreciate your comment and checking out the video. I also respect your opinion. But to say never, is simply not true or correct. Many rim fire guns should not be dry fired, but it is not damaging to all rim fires. For one example, the Ruger 10-22 manual specifically addresses this item and states it is safe and okay to dry fire this firearm. It has much to do with the individual design of the firearm rather than the fact it’s a rim fire. If you desire to dry fire a firearm, any firearm, you must look at them one by one, refer to the manual if available, and look at its design if not. As for my 1904, look at it, dry firing is the least of its worries. It is a mantle gun, although it does work safely, it has only value as a visual display, and that is only about $100 or so. If it’s firing pin or barrel we’re damaged, it would be no worse for it than the pitted lands, chamber, rifling, exterior, and lack of a full front sight post.
Enjoy your time at the range and may 2021 be better than 2020. Thanks, OBS
I could tell it wasn't a gun rack queen as soon as i seen it.
She’s been used and put away wet
I no joke have one of those from my grandfather
Those are the best guns, the ones with a connection to family.
@@oddballschtuff no kidding it shoots like dirt but I love it
I totally understand! 🤣🤣🤣
Que chulada de rifle que precio tendrá ahora saludos
It was a fun project. Even though its not accurate, it's still fun to shoot. Its rifling is bad, so I think its only worth $150-$200 USD. if it was in excellent condition, it would go for $800-1,800 USD.
Fue un proyecto divertido. Aunque no es preciso, es divertido disparar. Su estriado es malo, así que creo que solo vale entre $ 150 y $ 200 USD. si estuviera en excelentes condiciones, costaría $ 800-1,800 USD.
You could reline your Barrel and use it again..👍
That’s very true, and if this gun was more of a sentimental gun to me, I might have done that. Strangely, I do find a small amount of joy in the crunchiness of this gun.
The reason why the guy injecting will fail is because dry fire too much time. because rim fire gun firing pin is hitting the edge of the case.
This gun was pitted from rust, inside and out. Dry firing is the least of this guns problems. Dry firing it will not hurt it beyond what’s been done to it already. This gun won’t fail though, it’s survived 100 years of pure abuse and still works. It’s a tough mamba jamba. The occasional dry fire keeps it young😉. Not every rim fire can take this kind of abuse though for sure.
What did you use to remove the rust?
I used Naval Jelly. I would not suggest it for restorations as it takes the metal down to bare metal and removes bluing. But, it did work great at removing rust.
i want to ask two questions? first what is the maximum effective range of this rifle(for short .22 bullets)? 2nd is it not safe to shoot from this model? i am asking because i have one of this model. if it is a faulty model i never use it again
I would say about 100-150 yards for squirrel sized animals, but that’s a small target with open sights.
As for safety, if your gun is in good condition, there should not be any danger to use it. The model is great and will last another 10 life times if taken care of.
My gun was not taken care of and was left outside for what appeared to be years. It was not the firearm, but the neglect that made me concerned. But, after cleaning it up, mine is fully safe and reliable. I have shot hundred of rounds through it. But because of the damage to the crown, chamber, rifling, and the sights, mine is not accurate. I shoot 22 LR out of it with no issues, because my barrel is marked 22 extra long, so it can handle the 22 LR. If yours is only marked for 22 short, then stick with that. That would also indicate you have an early rifle, which is pretty cool.
These are wonderful little youth guns. In fact, I need to take mine out shooting again soon.
@@oddballschtuff thanks a lot
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You should not try fire rim fire gun.
That will damage the chamber.
This model of gun is one that you do not want to dry fire if you have one. This is true. You would have to dry fire it hundreds or thousands of times to develop a problem, but it does not have anything to restrict the firing pin from hitting the barrel side of the chamber.
i dont see how that would be unsafe to fire. they are built to outlive whoever buys them.
I didn’t know how well it would seal in the gases. They are built well, but not to be abused. This one was neglected and left out in the rain and humidity when I first saw it. Even the wood was covered entirely in rust that dripped from off the barrel and action. The risk was low with it being a low pressure round, but I still didn’t want gas blasting me in the face.
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No habla español. Google translate didn’t work either. Sorry. Bueno dias
Tengo uno igual !!!!
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I don’t know what that means? But thanks for watching.
Resumindo, rifle espetacular
Eu amo isso, obrigado. I hope google translate got that right
Eu tenho uma dessas winchester ferrolho 22 1898 além se enteressa
hello how are you I am Shahid
I am good, thanks for checking out my video.
I have one that’s made from 1898
That is the patent date, they didn’t make this model that early, it was the introduced in 1904. They are tough to date though. If it says Mod 1904 it’s pre Feb 1919. If it says Mod 04, it’s after 1919. Depending on what ammo is listed on it will further help date it. I’m glad you’ve got one of these, they are cool little guns.
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Mine pulls shell out
This one had trouble because it had been left outside in the humidity and rain and the chamber is pitted badly.
Just found one of these...actually 2 but only bought one. I purchased the 1902 youth model listed extra long. I bet I it weighs 2 pounds at the most. I redid the stock over the weekend, soaked the receiver and barrel in vinegar. After a few hours all the metal looked like stainless steel with rust removed. I filed off all the pitting that was hidden under the rust balls and will be Oxpho bluing the complete gun today. Luckily my rifling and chamber was filled with grease and looks great. Mine looks almost like brand new now. My wood is ridiculous cool gumwood but doesn’t have a cool old school shape like yours. I can’t wait to shoot it! ...It will be my new trap line gun! Awesome video,Thanks for sharing. I posted my project gun here. You can see the before and after around post #26
castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?418267-Need-help-with-info-on-a-lee-enfield-and-other-rifles-i-picked-up-today&p=5110274#post5110274
That turned out excellent. I’ve never seen that kind of grain on gum wood before. It is gorgeous. Aside from the pitting, the exterior metal looked like it was in very nice shape. I can’t wait to see the final bluing once your done. Thanks for that link to your posted pictures. That is going to be a nice little treasure. I bet your dad is going to love it. It’s intriguing how simple and light these guns are. I’m going to have to check out the Oxpho bluing. The Birchwood Casey bluing just wasn’t my favorite after using it. I need to remove the bluing from the bolt to bring it closer to the original finish. Good luck on your last finishing touches!
@@oddballschtuff I blued the complete rifle a few hours ago and just got done putting it back together. I test fired it twice. The chamber must be dirty because the first shell didn’t want to eject. I cycled it twice after I fired it abs the case popped out about a 1/4” . I pulled it out. I ran a bore snake through it before and on between shots. The second time I fired it the shell ejected right out of the gun when I cycled it after firing. She looks and works like brand new again. I posted more pictures of it finished if you click on the same link. Oxpho bluing worked great as usual. My sights are non adjustable so hopefully it’s dead on. Hoping I will be minute of squirrel out to 25 yards.
That is running. Great work!
Do I detect sarcasm
Maybe just a little.
I have same gun I am from Pakistan
That’s pretty cool. Hopefully it’s working really well for you. It’s design is by one of the greatest, if not the greatest gun designer, the world has ever seen. You have a nice little treasure there.
I have mi gun
Right on. I hope you like it as much as I do mine.
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It’s not worth to others, what it’s worth to me.
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