Well explained. The 3 equal parts, shellac, alcohol, and BLO, is OB Shine Juice. It was never meant to be a final finish, but a base for what ever you wanted to be the final finish. By leaving out the alcohol and reducing the oil you are effectively doing a French Polish. Like you said, it gives a very nice finish. Well explained and demoed.
@DougMilleratWoodSpunRound Thank you Doug. Ya the 3 part mix I always consider more of a sanding sealer than a finish. I got a lot of my ideas from looking into French polishing.
At last! The secret is out, lots of us will be trying to match your finishes but the skill is also necessary and may not be widespread. Thanks for this one and all the others.
Thanks for the, I'm a newbie to turning just got my first lathe and am l looking forward to my first project. Your videos have been informative and inspiring. Thanks again
Great explanation of friction polish and applying it. One thing that I do is let it dry between coats and completely dry before polishing it. Yes you should use the wet piece of cloth or paper towel to polish with and get warm, turn up lathe speed as well
Ric I avoid a pouring mes with both qt and gal cans by punching holes at the six and twelve o'clock positions in a spare lid. I put the holy lid on, pour what I want and then put ine intact lid back on to oreserve the remaining contents. I found that an eighth inch top/air hole is sufficient but the bottom hole needs to vary depending on the product and how fast you want to pour. I've played with rubber grommets and neoprene hoses, but meh! I love watching your videos, especially bevel and edge contact. You're a wizard!
@@EdRaastad-rj6mi That's a good idea with the holes. I bought a lid with a spout, although I haven't tried it yet. I prefer not to be associated with a wizard, but that's a me thing. I do appreciate the sentiment of what your saying. Thank you!
I have to say this is the video that I have been waiting for. I make a lot of pens and have been using Mylands friction polish for them, 10 coats 15 minutes apart, but it's kind of expensive for large projects. I'm starting to copy your designs and will copy your friction polish, thanks for the recipe.
That was very cool. I like your recipe. I’m going to try it. I really like friction polish, and I love the idea of making my own. Thanks for sharing this.
I have never got the shine of friction polish finish to last so I am anxious to try the new recipe. I use tung oil in my other recipes for bowls so I think I will mix up a batch using T.O. Thanks for sharing!
Hey Rus, i knew along time ago you mentioned the equal parts mix, but lately it was different. Glad to know the details, uou made it very clear. Thanks...Dan
Thank you for your explanation. I've tried shine juice and was never satisfied with it. I will make up a batch of your type and see. Also I think I might have been a little stingy in the application. Thanks again.
I am finally going to start turning this summer. I have wanted to do it for years and like you I am going to learn it myself. I have,a,favorite type of wood I like,to work with. It is a African hard wood called Paduk. I can just see it in my mind this polish will make it shine. Thanks for the great videos, I am happy I ran across your,channel.
@@LyleZ-lj1gu Thank you! I appreciate that! I'm glad to hear your getting into it. I've never turned paduk. I've heard a lot about it though. Maybe one day I will. Thanks for watching! I appreciate it!
Thanks for the video. I was waiting. Like many others, I have been unhappy with the 3 part mix. Going to try yours now. I was going to mention the pouring lid but you found one.
Nice video I would suggest using an inexpensive Turkey baster to get your shellac out of the can, I.e. no pouring. You might want to try making your own shellac it is easy and find it can be a higher quality and color variation. The towels I like the best are the blue paper shop towels from Harbor Freight inexpensive and very durable and lint free they work great.
Thank you! Turkey baster sounds like a good idea. I think the blue towels are pretty similar to the ones I use. Although I haven't tried them. I've been experimenting mixing my own shellac flakes but so far haven't been able to get the same shine. Not sure what the difference is. Thanks for watching!
I think Ill try your recipe. The usual recipe I've used is so shiny and beautiful, but it doesn't last at all. Of course I use friction paste as well. You should check out Brads workbench or Brads Woodturning . He has a page on YT and others and also makes products. Most wood turners I know on YT use and rave about his products. Im sure he will even share his recipe so you can try or tweak to your liking. He has a medium friction paste and has a great tung oil finish. Great shine and durable. Especially when used with other finishes.
Thanks for sharing. I have a few different friction finishes I use on my pens, but haven't been really happy with any of them. I know that a couple of them contain wax. I also tried the 1/3-1/3-1/3 formula and discarded it after the second use. I'll try yours and see how it goes. The look in your videos is fantastic, especially the amber based ones.
Thank you! Yes I think the amber is my favorite. I experimented a lot for the mix I have. I will say that a shellac finish isn't the most durable under a lot of use like a pen would be. I am curious how my mixture would hold up in those conditions. I know a lot of people use a CA finish on their pens. It's supposed to be pretty durable.
The original recipe of equal parts of all 3 used shellac flakes, when you use the can shellac it's already thinned with denatured alcohol, so yes you weren't getting enough shellac to hold the finish
If you can’t get a pouring lid you can use a turkey baster. It doubles as a handy ratio measuring tool for controlling the mix. Does anyone add pumice or something to give the polish a bit of super fine grit?
That is really handy. I live in California and the have band denatured alcohol. Shame as people use it in alcohol stoves for back packing .. Also about your mess. do they sell turkey basters at the dollar store? It may be bit slower but I don't think you would have that mess and it is not a big container you are using. I use the Dawn dish soap too so I should start keeping the empty bottles.
@@fergusrb Thank you! I didn't think about a turkey baster. That's a good idea. I also thought about putting it in a different container that's easier to pour from.
@@RcWoodturning Also saw a snap on pour spout for an oil can. Not sure if it would fit. Thanks for your videos. Learning how to use my carbide set from Glen Teagle's TH-cam channel using your 2x4 practice things.
Also just use a scoop of some sort a dollar store measuring cup. Also with Shellac it's important to wipe the inset part of the can otherwise the Shellac gets all gunky.
@@MisterKisster Ya I mixed some shellac flakes in a glass jar and it glued the lid to the jar. It was all I could do to get the lid off. That scoop idea is interesting. Maybe something with a vertical handle. Like a laytle.
Amazon must have changed the link. If you scroll down below the picture it gives the different options for the chuck. Here is the link for the jaws. WEN LA425G 1.25-Inch Double-Grooved Lathe Chuck Jaws a.co/d/h63uVJP
To the best I know from my research. The canned shellac is a 3# cut. The 1# cut is way to thin for this application. It's best for brushing onto a surface and it would take many coats. And yes the 6 to 1 ratio is about right. Although it doesn't have to be precise. As long as your around that ratio you should be ok.
Instead of using tape on the shellac can, since you're recycling product containers, why not keep a lid from an empty shellac container, and use a can opener on it to make a spout and air hole? Put the spouted lid on after mixing and remove it when you're done pouring
I feel I have to add a few hints to your video because every single day I get a phone call asking about shellac, friction polish and the like. Your video was great except you did not state what you use your mixture on, it does have limitations and some safety aspects which you didnt state. I see too many new wood turners using this mixture to finish their food platter, bowls, and food contact. Bullseye shellac is NOT food safe I even called Bullseye and they said the same, it contains dryers and denatured alcohol. Denatured alcohol can be poison, the boiled linseed oil is the same, it has chemicals and dryers. If you want to make your mixture of a finish, buy a pound of blonde, dewaxed shellac flakes mixed with a grain alcohol(ethanol), and a little bit of pure, virgin tung oil to be food safe. Just trying to help add some useful info.
Thank you for adding this comment. Your right I didn't talk about that and it's a good point to bring up. I very rarely do projects that are exposed to food. That's an oversight on my part. For those who see this, if I do a project that will have exposure to food I would use a food safe finish. My preferred finish in that case would be walnut oil. It's a drying oil so for the most part it won't leave a film on the project. I appreciate your input on this.
Hey everyone. I found this. It might help.
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Cheaper at Lowe's.
Well explained. The 3 equal parts, shellac, alcohol, and BLO, is OB Shine Juice. It was never meant to be a final finish, but a base for what ever you wanted to be the final finish. By leaving out the alcohol and reducing the oil you are effectively doing a French Polish. Like you said, it gives a very nice finish. Well explained and demoed.
@DougMilleratWoodSpunRound Thank you Doug. Ya the 3 part mix I always consider more of a sanding sealer than a finish. I got a lot of my ideas from looking into French polishing.
Yes. Shine juice is pretty for about 10 minutes. Not durable at all.
I use a turkey baster to draw the Shellac & linseed oil & injection them into the co trainer to be used ,, no mess!!
Good idea. Thanks!
Those paper towels are a great piece of advice too. The cheap ones do leave lint. I learned to not use a rag by being defiant and cocky. Lol
Ya I got a lot of for using cotton rags when I started. These paper towels have worked well for.
Thank you for all the information . I watched 8 so far of your videos. Your a great guy for sharing .
Thank you! I appreciate that!
At last! The secret is out, lots of us will be trying to match your finishes but the skill is also necessary and may not be widespread. Thanks for this one and all the others.
Thank you! The #1 thing that will make the difference is the wood preparation. Thanks for watching!
I built custom fishing rods and used coffee filters which are lint free. Thanks for the video.
@@knothead5 Thank you!
Wow, never thought of coffee filters. That's a good idea. 👍
This is why I read the comments!
Enjoyed you sharing the way you apply and products your using. Im a brand newbie at wood turning
@@croftracing2599 I'm glad you enjoyed it! Welcome to the club!
Thanks for the, I'm a newbie to turning just got my first lathe and am l looking forward to my first project. Your videos have been informative and inspiring. Thanks again
Thank you!
I'm glad they have helped! Enjoy your journey!
Great explanation of friction polish and applying it. One thing that I do is let it dry between coats and completely dry before polishing it. Yes you should use the wet piece of cloth or paper towel to polish with and get warm, turn up lathe speed as well
Thanks! Yes you can build up a nice that way
Nice job. Thank you!
Thank you! Appreciate you watching!
Thank you for sharing your friction polish recipe with us, I will be mixing up a batch of this real soon!
Thank you for watching! I appreciate it!
Ric I avoid a pouring mes with both qt and gal cans by punching holes at the six and twelve o'clock positions in a spare lid. I put the holy lid on, pour what I want and then put ine intact lid back on to oreserve the remaining contents. I found that an eighth inch top/air hole is sufficient but the bottom hole needs to vary depending on the product and how fast you want to pour. I've played with rubber grommets and neoprene hoses, but meh! I love watching your videos, especially bevel and edge contact. You're a wizard!
@@EdRaastad-rj6mi That's a good idea with the holes. I bought a lid with a spout, although I haven't tried it yet.
I prefer not to be associated with a wizard, but that's a me thing.
I do appreciate the sentiment of what your saying. Thank you!
Thanks for sharing, I'm headed out to the shop and gonna pour out what i have and mix some up.
Don't pour it out. Use it as sanding sealer before you put the final finish on.
@@RcWoodturning There you go! Thanks
Thanks!
Thank you! I appreciate the support!
Very useful tutorial!
Thank you! Appreciate you watching!
I have to say this is the video that I have been waiting for. I make a lot of pens and have been using Mylands friction polish for them, 10 coats 15 minutes apart, but it's kind of expensive for large projects. I'm starting to copy your designs and will copy your friction polish, thanks for the recipe.
@@patbeatty7116 Thank you! I'm glad this information helps!
That was very cool. I like your recipe. I’m going to try it. I really like friction polish, and I love the idea of making my own. Thanks for sharing this.
@@bobsmith3790 Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it. This is my latest recipe. I'm still working on refining it more. Thanks for watching!
I have never got the shine of friction polish finish to last so I am anxious to try the new recipe. I use tung oil in my other recipes for bowls so I think I will mix up a batch using T.O. Thanks for sharing!
I have pretty good luck with mine. The better the surface the better the finish. You could mix a small amount to try.
Thanks for the info and demo. I use the 3 part one and am not happy with the finish. Now I know. Thank you very much
@@allendavis2144 Your welcome!
Thanks for watching!
Hey Rus, i knew along time ago you mentioned the equal parts mix, but lately it was different. Glad to know the details, uou made it very clear. Thanks...Dan
Ya I used that mix before and I've refined it to this mix.
Thanks, I have used the old mixture. I was thinking the same as you. Now I will try yours. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Ya, I used it for awhile to. This works much better.
Thank you for your explanation. I've tried shine juice and was never satisfied with it. I will make up a batch of your type and see. Also I think I might have been a little stingy in the application. Thanks again.
Your welcome!
Hope it works out for you.
I am finally going to start turning this summer. I have wanted to do it for years and like you I am going to learn it myself. I have,a,favorite type of wood I like,to work with. It is a African hard wood called Paduk. I can just see it in my mind this polish will make it shine.
Thanks for the great videos, I am happy I ran across your,channel.
@@LyleZ-lj1gu Thank you! I appreciate that! I'm glad to hear your getting into it. I've never turned paduk. I've heard a lot about it though. Maybe one day I will.
Thanks for watching! I appreciate it!
Thanks For This Video! Great Explanation and Demonstration!
@@josephhickman5538 Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great explanation. Looking forward to making a batch soon.
@@Sweed1of3 Thank you! I'm glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the tips ive got it written down ,so im going shopping now lol .
Thanks! Enjoy your shopping trip.
Thanks mate. Really helpful.
@@johnbrereton4756 Thanks for watching!
Thank you for sharing this, great info!
@@richardc8340 Thank you for watching! I really appreciate it!
Thanks for sharing. I've tried the 3 equal parts and was not happy with the finish. I may give your process a try.
@@jonnyslathecrafts Thanks! I hope it works out for you.
Thanks for the video. I was waiting. Like many others, I have been unhappy with the 3 part mix. Going to try yours now. I was going to mention the pouring lid but you found one.
@@dkheaton Your welcome! I hope this new recipe works better for you.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Nice video I would suggest using an inexpensive Turkey baster to get your shellac out of the can, I.e. no pouring. You might want to try making your own shellac it is easy and find it can be a higher quality and color variation. The towels I like the best are the blue paper shop towels from Harbor Freight inexpensive and very durable and lint free they work great.
Thank you! Turkey baster sounds like a good idea. I think the blue towels are pretty similar to the ones I use. Although I haven't tried them. I've been experimenting mixing my own shellac flakes but so far haven't been able to get the same shine. Not sure what the difference is.
Thanks for watching!
Much appreciated🤠👍
Thanks!
to avoid the mess, maybe a Big basting syringe to get it from the can to the bottle. It will take a little longer but no mess.
@@sandiekelley8513 That's a good idea.👍
...thanks for the info...like others here, I've struggled with the traditional mix...I'll give this a shot...👍
Matt
It works good for me.
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
I think Ill try your recipe. The usual recipe I've used is so shiny and beautiful, but it doesn't last at all. Of course I use friction paste as well. You should check out Brads workbench or Brads Woodturning . He has a page on YT and others and also makes products. Most wood turners I know on YT use and rave about his products. Im sure he will even share his recipe so you can try or tweak to your liking. He has a medium friction paste and has a great tung oil finish. Great shine and durable. Especially when used with other finishes.
I haven't heard of him. I'll have to check it out. The wood prep is key in getting a nice shine that will last.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for sharing. I have a few different friction finishes I use on my pens, but haven't been really happy with any of them. I know that a couple of them contain wax. I also tried the 1/3-1/3-1/3 formula and discarded it after the second use. I'll try yours and see how it goes. The look in your videos is fantastic, especially the amber based ones.
Thank you! Yes I think the amber is my favorite. I experimented a lot for the mix I have. I will say that a shellac finish isn't the most durable under a lot of use like a pen would be. I am curious how my mixture would hold up in those conditions. I know a lot of people use a CA finish on their pens. It's supposed to be pretty durable.
Thanks Russ, just what I needed to get a nice shine with minimal work. Now if only you could find a way to make sanding easy….lol
Now that would be something! I'm glad it's working out for you.
The original recipe of equal parts of all 3 used shellac flakes, when you use the can shellac it's already thinned with denatured alcohol, so yes you weren't getting enough shellac to hold the finish
The mix ratio wouldn't be equal with the flakes. There would be less flakes than alcohol.
Thanks for video. Do you think Danish Oil will work in this mix?
Thank you! It is a drying oil so I may. I've never tried it.
Getting ready to start turning some 2x4s that I seen on your TH-cam video. I have wanting too know what friction polish you use. Thanks
@@stevewest8308 Glad to hear it! Have fun!
You could use measuring cup for baking
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I may have missed it, can stain be added to the polish?
Thanks, take care.
@@seanpaula8924 If your talking about instead of the oil, I would say no. Otherwise I've never tried it.
Salac mean sealer or do you have separate product
No I use the same. But sometimes I will add extra coats. Especially if the wood is really dry because it will soak into the wood more.
If you can’t get a pouring lid you can use a turkey baster. It doubles as a handy ratio measuring tool for controlling the mix.
Does anyone add pumice or something to give the polish a bit of super fine grit?
Thank you! I've never tried any grit in my finish. It's an interesting idea.
How many coats do you put on and where do you buy the wypall paper towels
Usually 3 to 4 coats.
Wyoming all towels from Amazon. There are links in the description.
Do you always apply this to bare wood or do you use sanding sealer first ?
Sometimes when the wood is really dry it soaks into the wood more. So I will add more coats than I would normally.
What kind of food safe finish do you use?
If it's a food container like a bowl, etc. I would just use an oil. My preference is walnut oil.
Thanks @@RcWoodturning
That is really handy. I live in California and the have band denatured alcohol. Shame as people use it in alcohol stoves for back packing .. Also about your mess. do they sell turkey basters at the dollar store? It may be bit slower but I don't think you would have that mess and it is not a big container you are using. I use the Dawn dish soap too so I should start keeping the empty bottles.
@@fergusrb Thank you!
I didn't think about a turkey baster. That's a good idea. I also thought about putting it in a different container that's easier to pour from.
@@RcWoodturning Also saw a snap on pour spout for an oil can. Not sure if it would fit. Thanks for your videos. Learning how to use my carbide set from Glen Teagle's TH-cam channel using your 2x4 practice things.
Glenn's a good guy. I'll have to look into that lid idea. Every time I see that spill I always wonder how much actually gets wasted.
Also just use a scoop of some sort a dollar store measuring cup. Also with Shellac it's important to wipe the inset part of the can otherwise the Shellac gets all gunky.
@@MisterKisster Ya I mixed some shellac flakes in a glass jar and it glued the lid to the jar. It was all I could do to get the lid off. That scoop idea is interesting. Maybe something with a vertical handle. Like a laytle.
FYI, you link to 2.75 shark jaws takes you to the chuck, o the jaws. Can you please correct the link so I may order a set.
Amazon must have changed the link. If you scroll down below the picture it gives the different options for the chuck.
Here is the link for the jaws.
WEN LA425G 1.25-Inch Double-Grooved Lathe Chuck Jaws a.co/d/h63uVJP
What speed do you mean by “slow” and then how fast do you go when you turn the speed up? Thanks!
My lathe speed range is 200 to 1200 rpms. 200 to apply the finish and 1200 to dry it.
What other shallac could I use as here in England it costs £33.00 + £27.00 deliveries. Being a pensioner it’s a bit too expensive. Thanks Tommy
@@tommyfeck1829 You could try shellac flakes and mix it yourself.
Thanks so much for your prompt reply 👍
@@tommyfeck1829 Incase you wondering, the zinsser shellac mix is 6oz of flakes mixed in 16oz of alcohol. Way cheaper to make your own this way.
So a 6:1 mix..approx? Is that shellac a 1lb mix?
To the best I know from my research. The canned shellac is a 3# cut. The 1# cut is way to thin for this application. It's best for brushing onto a surface and it would take many coats.
And yes the 6 to 1 ratio is about right. Although it doesn't have to be precise. As long as your around that ratio you should be ok.
You might try a syringe to remove the shellac from the can, or maby a turkey baster.
I can always count on you guys to come up with great ideas! 👍
To get around the spillage, uses large syringe.
Good idea! Thanks.
I use x-large syringes for my mixing. Store them in a 'ziploc' and your mess is nonexistent.
@@frankashworth5961 That's a great idea. Thanks!
I have seen another recipe that utilizes rotten stone or diatomaceous earth to help polish.
Yes that works but you need to be precise in the mix. If you get to much grit in there it will sand rather than polish.
Dollar store turkey baster to keep the mess down when can is full.
@@billyrussell8684 good idea.
Instead of using tape on the shellac can, since you're recycling product containers, why not keep a lid from an empty shellac container, and use a can opener on it to make a spout and air hole? Put the spouted lid on after mixing and remove it when you're done pouring
@@keithomilak3693 actually I found a lid with a spout on Amazon.
You said that all you use is shellac and BLO. No alcohol in the video.
@@danangel586989 That's correct.
Great vid well explained. Subscribe.
@@glenmckelvey5952 Thank you! I'm glad you liked it! I appreciate your support!
I feel I have to add a few hints to your video because every single day I get a phone call asking about shellac, friction polish and the like. Your video was great except you did not state what you use your mixture on, it does have limitations and some safety aspects which you didnt state. I see too many new wood turners using this mixture to finish their food platter, bowls, and food contact. Bullseye shellac is NOT food safe I even called Bullseye and they said the same, it contains dryers and denatured alcohol. Denatured alcohol can be poison, the boiled linseed oil is the same, it has chemicals and dryers. If you want to make your mixture of a finish, buy a pound of blonde, dewaxed shellac flakes mixed with a grain alcohol(ethanol), and a little bit of pure, virgin tung oil to be food safe. Just trying to help add some useful info.
Thank you for adding this comment. Your right I didn't talk about that and it's a good point to bring up. I very rarely do projects that are exposed to food. That's an oversight on my part. For those who see this, if I do a project that will have exposure to food I would use a food safe finish. My preferred finish in that case would be walnut oil. It's a drying oil so for the most part it won't leave a film on the project. I appreciate your input on this.
Get a turkey baster
Good idea!