lol if blizzard can barely program a game properly, you probably never played a game where coding really sucks. Said thus, the more skulls a character is adorned with, the more his might is. you should know that already fam
Grommash:My son. The day you were born, the very forests of Nagrand whispered the name, Garrosh. My child. I watched you with pride, as you grew into a weapon. Of rightousness. Remember, our line has always ruled with Honor, and strength. And I know that you will show restraint, when exercising your great power. But the truest victory, my son, is stirring the hearts of your people. I tell you this, for when my days have come to and end. You, shall be Warchief
And to me we have one of the best cinematics ever in this one scene, and people dont even realize how subtly powerful it is: Gul'dan throws Grom the axe of Garrosh, proclaiming Garrosh , his son. In the short story prior to this expansion, Garrosh could NEVER tell Grom the truth due to the shit-storms of time shenanigans, thus, this is the first time ever, grom learns that Garrosh is his son. The subtle acting in his tone and his expression was perfect from the animation POV "Garrosh... My... *Son*?" That confused stare, that sigh of revalation, that baleful glare at Gul'dan, in this moment, Grom realized what Garrosh was trying to tell him, to never, fall into the same trap that Grommash of the MU did.
your comment is bullshit since we tell the truth to grommash in the nagrand levelling quest chain many patch before this one....He is just sad to lose his son, but he knew garrosh identity
And Illidan just dusts him like a common grunt. Gonna be honest, being killed by the very power he used to kill billions is poetic justice at its finest.
Thrall didn't cheat... mages.. shamans... their magic is allowed in Mak'gora... Fel Magic or that shit Sylvanas used aren't... Shamans are honored by Orcs and they like them...so Thrall didn't technically cheat... it could be considered as cheating if Mak'gora participants agree with each other not to use it.... i doubt Garrosh and Thrall did that..
@@ciba8814 Mak'gora has very specific rules. Technically the first of which is no magic. However, if it is an exception it is under the pretense it is their weapon. Thrall wielded the legendary Doomhammer as his weapon. You are not allowed a second. No body armor. You fight bare chested, Thrall donned the impenetrable Warchief's armor handed down from Ogrim. Both parties must have a witness. Garrosh was permitted no such witness. He was allowed to die without any to tell of his fate, while Thrall had many witnesses on his side. The only thing shown is the agreement to Mak'gora, which means by its rules. Thrall Cheats. He cheats hard. He saw himself losing to a superior warrior and took the cowards way out, which is why he was punished by the very elements he abused in dishonor, losing the power to wield Doomhammer at all.
If we're honest it would be the same with Varian. Or how Thrall handled Garrosh once he used magic. We forget just how powerful magic can be. And that Warriors(That aren't the player) are just fit dudes with good weapon skill. But you can hardly cut away magic bindings that pin you instantly while you lack any magic. Players are spoiled by game mechanics. ;,)
strange that this alternate Gul'dan some how found out that Garrosh was Grom's son. he shouldn't have known that.. and Garrosh wouldn't have told Gul'dan. so the question is how this version of Gul'dan found out Garrosh's secret.
My best guess is that some of his Shadow Council buddies captured some Horde/Alliance soldiers and interrogated them. One let slip that Garrosh is Grommash's son from a different timeline.
Apparently demons tied to the twisting nether are one of a kind, meaning the demons in this reality are the same as in ours. It's unclear exactly which demons are tied to the nether and which aren't but it stands to reason they could've briefed him on events in our timeline so he could better persuade the orcs
For some reason, i feel bad for Grommash losing Garrosh. But on the same token, Garrosh did become somewhat of an asshole towards members of the Horde.
Thing is, Kilrogg knew everything Gul'dan was saying was bullshit. He saw his death in Hellfire Citadel, and had to have known that Gul'dan would go down shortly afterwards, so Kilrogg got the last laugh between him and Gul'dan, at least regarding Draenor.
Why is this so inconsistent with what happened to the Orcs when they drank the blood in the main timeline? In the MT, they just turned green-- some of their eyes started glowing red. That's it. Why do they all of the sudden mutate into hideous Chaos beasts in the alternate timeline?
I know that this comment is old but i gotta explain. Kilrogg turned like this because, the blood hat he drank was extracted from mannoroths body after he died so it had a different effect
It is speculated that wod demon blood came from a different demon. So no point going around it forever since they never mentioned mannoroths blood after he died at the start of wod. So yea 99% sure it came from a different demon.
Wasn't our Grom also a Blademaster? I mean he was said to be an extremely skilled warrior, unlike his WoD Brute Version. He was also more slim and agile. And it's still an impressive feat to one shot the King of the Pit Lords. Smoke or not, he outsmarted him by using the warmachine while being shot at and still managed to get him. And having the strengh to ram your axe into a giant demons skull without the help of any Magic is also impressive.
so is there a story in a book or in game that explains how Gul'dan knew Garrosh was Grom's son. in this other time line. unless I'm wrong I don't think Gul'dan and Garrosh ever met in the normal time line.
Why did orcs change of color without any reasonable explanation? I mean it was all ok with the brown to green, but then in WC3 the greens that drink mannoroth blood again get themselves red skinned and now they not become green at first but they get gray-skinned and green fel horns in the body? I really don't understand if Blizzard lore makers are stupid or they just don't care a shit about they own creation.
Do you think I will ask it here if I weren't already googled it? Really? Is it painful to you use your only 2 synaptic cells? Or are you just trying to be some kind of stupid fanatic or some pathetic kind of troll bot that do its therapy online? and Mong? Really? 21st-century bobo, mental disease are not insults anymore unless you are some kind of anachronic nazi.
Wertyu Maister I think we got the awnser in bc. Illidan made his deformed fel orcs with another pit lords blood. Since Mannaroth is dead at this point during the cinematic it is likely this is again another Pit lord. Since Mannaroth was the King of Pitlords his was most likely purer or something.
Well out Grommash left a Legacy behind that relied on true honor. This is why most green orcs ,especialy the older ones that were part of the wars are like Nazgrim. Nothing but loyal, honorful and never giving in to their rage to blind themselves. Especialy Veterans like Saurfang are haunted by the Events similiar to Veterans irl. It's Young Orcs like Garrosh and his Kor'kron that never been part of this time, and thus never shared the expirience others like Thrall , Grom and saurfang went through.
Trafalgar Water D. Law Well Thrall never experienced the horrors what Saurfang and others did during the rise of the horde till the battle at blackrocks mountains. Actually Thrall is younger than Garrosh and Thralls honor is most questionable because part of honor is take revenge on a dishonorable actions and Thrall nearly always forgave his enemies dishonoring himself.
Kilrogg saw his own death, presumably drinking the blood would lead him to that death. Which is what he wants, since bleeding hollow chieftains are supposed to embrace their deaths
Grom was always a more slim, heroic straight back warhero kind of figure, not a broad brute like his son. It's really a shame how generic they tried to make every Warchief, save for a few eements of their culture in their texture. They even managed to give the Troll council in MoP diffrent Bodytypes, so why not sticking to their main universe style.
That's understandable, he had a unique look to him so you could pick him out in a crowd (slim but intimidating). Chronicle vol. 2 completely redesigned him to be more aligned with his WOD and WoW movie counterpart too. This is officially how he looks.
They made Grom into such a bitch, and after trying to genocide our people and rule our planet we just let him go because Gul'Dan was a dick too. WoD had such hope but just didn't go anywhere
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So we going to talk about how Kil'Rogg's beard grew an extra skull?
I thought the same thing lol
Leave Blizzard alone. They can barely program a game properly, do you really think they can make anything make sense? LOL xD
lol if blizzard can barely program a game properly, you probably never played a game where coding really sucks. Said thus, the more skulls a character is adorned with, the more his might is. you should know that already fam
SteveMan92 well, you see, when a mommy skull and a daddy skull love each other very much...
+Cameron Durrantcameron lol
Gul'dan is persistent
like that door to door salesman 😂
yeah i thought the same like face it old man nobody wants to drink the green shit you offer all the time :D
Lol i agree
Or Jehovah's Witness.
@@Tyrantlizard127
“Do you have a moment of your time to talk about our lord and savior Kil’Jaden?”
Kil'rogg could've trolled Gul'dan by pouring it over his shoulder
Or slamming it down his throat..."you drink first!!!"
that would be legendary... "upsy daisy! slipped off my haand...."
or just do something really weird like shove it in ur pants for later, it would probably spill tho
Johnny.... I like that idea of Kil'rogg slamming the drink down Gul'dan's throat that would have been funny.
That so shouldve happened
he grew another skull in his beard after drinking it....
best expansion ever boooi
"this will put skulls on your chest"
Grommash:My son. The day you were born, the very forests of Nagrand whispered the name, Garrosh. My child. I watched you with pride, as you grew into a weapon. Of rightousness. Remember, our line has always ruled with Honor, and strength. And I know that you will show restraint, when exercising your great power. But the truest victory, my son, is stirring the hearts of your people. I tell you this, for when my days have come to and end. You, shall be Warchief
Gross, no. Don't sullie the orcs with nonsensical human mentality
You mean of honor?
Orcs don't do righteousness
My puke just puked more puke reading that. How dare you dishonor both the horde and the Menethil line at the same time with that fancannon quote.
Anyone else find it strange drinking demon blood added a skull to Kilrogg's beard that originally had one?
Khorne gave him his blessings.
Gul'dan: Come on Grom, all the cool orcs are doing it!
Gul Dan best sales person all year every year.
I think it's funny Gul'dan carried that cup of Fel around.
Kil'Rogg actually knew what will happen. He saw his own death.
"Whelp...I'm gonna get my ass dog piled and beat to death by 20 people looking for loot, this can't be as bad as that'll be."
Kil'rogg then proceeded to create the mightiest cereal in the entire universe
Lol 😅
And to me we have one of the best cinematics ever in this one scene, and people dont even realize how subtly powerful it is:
Gul'dan throws Grom the axe of Garrosh, proclaiming Garrosh , his son. In the short story prior to this expansion, Garrosh could NEVER tell Grom the truth due to the shit-storms of time shenanigans, thus, this is the first time ever, grom learns that Garrosh is his son.
The subtle acting in his tone and his expression was perfect from the animation POV "Garrosh... My... *Son*?" That confused stare, that sigh of revalation, that baleful glare at Gul'dan, in this moment, Grom realized what Garrosh was trying to tell him, to never, fall into the same trap that Grommash of the MU did.
too bad the animation is shit
your comment is bullshit since we tell the truth to grommash in the nagrand levelling quest chain many patch before this one....He is just sad to lose his son, but he knew garrosh identity
Basically your logic is just confirming grom had an unknown illicit affair...... in this timeline garrosh didn't exist.
If i'll ever become a Barkeeper, I will act like Gul'Dan fo' sure.
If they ever do remasters of Warcraft I wouldn't mind the cutscenes being in this engine.
Well well...
I like how the fel juice made a second skull materialize on his beard to show he leveled up lol
Y’all gunna miss Gul’dan in a few years. WOW! He was the greatest, GREATEST villain you were ever treated to. Legend.
And Illidan just dusts him like a common grunt. Gonna be honest, being killed by the very power he used to kill billions is poetic justice at its finest.
Not even close to being the greatest villain. Also think that killroggs betrayal makes no sense and is poor writing
Does Arthas just not exist to you?
A little known side effect from drinking the blood of Mannoroth is that it for some reasons doubles the amount of skulls in your beard
KIL'ROGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gul'dan was the best character along with Blackhand in WoD
It's almost like Gul'dan knows that Thrall cheated in Mah'Kora
Thrall didn't cheat... mages.. shamans... their magic is allowed in Mak'gora... Fel Magic or that shit Sylvanas used aren't... Shamans are honored by Orcs and they like them...so Thrall didn't technically cheat... it could be considered as cheating if Mak'gora participants agree with each other not to use it.... i doubt Garrosh and Thrall did that..
@@ciba8814 Mak'gora has very specific rules.
Technically the first of which is no magic. However, if it is an exception it is under the pretense it is their weapon. Thrall wielded the legendary Doomhammer as his weapon. You are not allowed a second.
No body armor. You fight bare chested, Thrall donned the impenetrable Warchief's armor handed down from Ogrim.
Both parties must have a witness. Garrosh was permitted no such witness. He was allowed to die without any to tell of his fate, while Thrall had many witnesses on his side.
The only thing shown is the agreement to Mak'gora, which means by its rules.
Thrall Cheats. He cheats hard. He saw himself losing to a superior warrior and took the cowards way out, which is why he was punished by the very elements he abused in dishonor, losing the power to wield Doomhammer at all.
I didnt play wow since pandas but as I understand grown Garrosh is from future no? so Grommash should have a spare baby Garrosh?
@@kiemugen9830 No, WoD Grom lost his mate in an ogre raid before siring any children. That's why Kairoz chose *this* exact version of Draenor.
I got you to 200 sub's I'm the 200th
How can you see this cinematic in game i tried looking for it but no luck .
Love how Gul'dan tosses Grom aside like he's nothing. Warlocks mad powerful.
If we're honest it would be the same with Varian. Or how Thrall handled Garrosh once he used magic.
We forget just how powerful magic can be. And that Warriors(That aren't the player) are just fit dudes with good weapon skill. But you can hardly cut away magic bindings that pin you instantly while you lack any magic.
Players are spoiled by game mechanics. ;,)
One thing I always question about Kil'rogg's transformation is where did the second skull on Kil'rogg's beard come from?
strange that this alternate Gul'dan some how found out that Garrosh was Grom's son. he shouldn't have known that.. and Garrosh wouldn't have told Gul'dan. so the question is how this version of Gul'dan found out Garrosh's secret.
My best guess is that some of his Shadow Council buddies captured some Horde/Alliance soldiers and interrogated them. One let slip that Garrosh is Grommash's son from a different timeline.
Apparently demons tied to the twisting nether are one of a kind, meaning the demons in this reality are the same as in ours. It's unclear exactly which demons are tied to the nether and which aren't but it stands to reason they could've briefed him on events in our timeline so he could better persuade the orcs
1:03 Ultimate CC (Crowd Control)
For some reason, i feel bad for Grommash losing Garrosh. But on the same token, Garrosh did become somewhat of an asshole towards members of the Horde.
Thing is, Kilrogg knew everything Gul'dan was saying was bullshit. He saw his death in Hellfire Citadel, and had to have known that Gul'dan would go down shortly afterwards, so Kilrogg got the last laugh between him and Gul'dan, at least regarding Draenor.
The demon blood give you an extra skull in your beard... Okeyyyy..
Why is this so inconsistent with what happened to the Orcs when they drank the blood in the main timeline? In the MT, they just turned green-- some of their eyes started glowing red. That's it. Why do they all of the sudden mutate into hideous Chaos beasts in the alternate timeline?
I know that this comment is old but i gotta explain. Kilrogg turned like this because, the blood hat he drank was extracted from mannoroths body after he died so it had a different effect
Really I thought it was archimondes blood
It was _always_ Mannoroth's blood that the Orcs drank. Mannoroth says so in Warcraft 3.
It is speculated that wod demon blood came from a different demon. So no point going around it forever since they never mentioned mannoroths blood after he died at the start of wod. So yea 99% sure it came from a different demon.
It couldn't have been Manneroths blood, dude was a skeleton at this point
Just noticed that even his skulls ignite in fel
Grom Hellscream killed Mannaroth... Yet Gul'dan was able to subdue him? Bullshit.
It is parallel Hellscream.
grommash killed mannoroth in wod too, get real duuude
The Grommash in WoD was able to kill Mannoroth because of the smoke
Critical Strike, bro
Wasn't our Grom also a Blademaster? I mean he was said to be an extremely skilled warrior, unlike his WoD Brute Version. He was also more slim and agile. And it's still an impressive feat to one shot the King of the Pit Lords. Smoke or not, he outsmarted him by using the warmachine while being shot at and still managed to get him. And having the strengh to ram your axe into a giant demons skull without the help of any Magic is also impressive.
Why is Grommesh Hellscream Himself not in the comments shouting "Kilrog!"?...
How and why did he grow a second skull on his beard?
OMG who keeps messaging me on battl-
Man I wish I could fit an axe into my pockets as well
Eternal damnation for a useless spell. Worth it
so is there a story in a book or in game that explains how Gul'dan knew Garrosh was Grom's son. in this other time line.
unless I'm wrong I don't think Gul'dan and Garrosh ever met in the normal time line.
Astraldragon1 At the beginning in the trailer of Warlords, Gul'Dan and Garrosh meet each other.
Why did orcs change of color without any reasonable explanation? I mean it was all ok with the brown to green, but then in WC3 the greens that drink mannoroth blood again get themselves red skinned and now they not become green at first but they get gray-skinned and green fel horns in the body? I really don't understand if Blizzard lore makers are stupid or they just don't care a shit about they own creation.
Or you could stop sounding like an ignorant mong and google it.
Do you think I will ask it here if I weren't already googled it? Really? Is it painful to you use your only 2 synaptic cells? Or are you just trying to be some kind of stupid fanatic or some pathetic kind of troll bot that do its therapy online? and Mong? Really? 21st-century bobo, mental disease are not insults anymore unless you are some kind of anachronic nazi.
Wertyu Maister I think we got the awnser in bc. Illidan made his deformed fel orcs with another pit lords blood. Since Mannaroth is dead at this point during the cinematic it is likely this is again another Pit lord. Since Mannaroth was the King of Pitlords his was most likely purer or something.
Different demon's blood has different potency and effects, it's the only logical explanation for it
Different fel blood, as for red I think it was more for because of them being more under the legions influence
Gul'Dan: 1, Hellscream: 0
Gul'Dan wins
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Does Chris Metzen voice every character nowadays?
Metzen didn’t voice anyone in this scene lol - Gul’dan is Troy Baker and Grommash is Kevin Michael Richardson
So Guldan could just one shot Grommash like that?
I wonder how that drink would taste like?
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Gromash Hellscream is look a like durotan
there's a bunch of silly comments about this video, but kinda true about the legion hellfire 6.2.😂
6.2 I mean😂
+Aliezah Juarez 6.1
wheres his cut scene from?
It's when patch 6.1 came out, it's the continuation of Khadgar's Legendary quest line.
I used to raid with the publisher of this video lol
What the hell I've never seen this cutscene was it ally only?
blackhoofs legendary quests
strange I did those In wod
Thrall fought without honor.
I shouldn't have done that.
1:05
Guldan sucks at infomercials
C NIO
All these Orcs talk about it honor. And what exactly has that honor brought them?
More honor!
Tazmai Honor Overwhelming
Well out Grommash left a Legacy behind that relied on true honor. This is why most green orcs ,especialy the older ones that were part of the wars are like Nazgrim. Nothing but loyal, honorful and never giving in to their rage to blind themselves. Especialy Veterans like Saurfang are haunted by the Events similiar to Veterans irl. It's Young Orcs like Garrosh and his Kor'kron that never been part of this time, and thus never shared the expirience others like Thrall , Grom and saurfang went through.
Soul Akai the bitches. Honor always brings orcs some fine bitches.
Trafalgar Water D. Law Well Thrall never experienced the horrors what Saurfang and others did during the rise of the horde till the battle at blackrocks mountains. Actually Thrall is younger than Garrosh and Thralls honor is most questionable because part of honor is take revenge on a dishonorable actions and Thrall nearly always forgave his enemies dishonoring himself.
Their one thing I don't get: Why didn't Grommash accept the blood?
Cameron Sivret Garrosh told him not to.
That it would enslave his people.
Did you watch the WoD cinematic?
Joshua Macal I did, but Kilrog didn't listen to Grommash or Garrosh.
Kilrogg saw his own death, presumably drinking the blood would lead him to that death. Which is what he wants, since bleeding hollow chieftains are supposed to embrace their deaths
Why did his skin turn grey instead of green? Also can any race drink demon blood and survive it? Could u have a fel human or troll?
Thrakerzad Mulrocs survived it
Fel trolls would be badass
Grommash can beat Gul'Dan... in hand to hand combat when Gul'Dan plays fair.
That's like saying Mike Tyson could beat up Stephen Hawking as long as they don't have to take a physics test.
Ziggy Wynder yeah cause Gul'dan will totally play fair lol
GUL'DAN CHEATS!
Ziggy Wynder a warlock not using magic is like a warrior not using hand to hand combat
Would've been funny to see Kil'rogg stab him.
Wasnt Grommash the first to drink the demon blood?
Grom looks more like a mutated freak here than he did in WC3. Blizzard artists need to reign it in a bit.
Yeah it looks like they've gone with this look and retconned his appearance in Rise of the Horde. He looks like a steroid monster now...
Grom was always a more slim, heroic straight back warhero kind of figure, not a broad brute like his son. It's really a shame how generic they tried to make every Warchief, save for a few eements of their culture in their texture. They even managed to give the Troll council in MoP diffrent Bodytypes, so why not sticking to their main universe style.
That's understandable, he had a unique look to him so you could pick him out in a crowd (slim but intimidating). Chronicle vol. 2 completely redesigned him to be more aligned with his WOD and WoW movie counterpart too. This is officially how he looks.
I didnt understand what this szene should show us
I thought grom died when he was fighting mannoroth with thrall.. ????
He died. This is the alternate universe.
Please someone explain how they all went to an alternate timeline?
he was revived by a powerful paladin in warcraft 3 together with mannoroth and they became friends like teletubbies....
idk wtf im talking about....
Well done, you managed to turn the fel into looking like green slime. Animators FAIL.
I'll let blizzard know you think their 8 year old cinematic looks bad lol
They made Grom into such a bitch, and after trying to genocide our people and rule our planet we just let him go because Gul'Dan was a dick too. WoD had such hope but just didn't go anywhere