As a truck driver in London with left turn audible warnings fitted and cctv and side scan I am amazed STILL that these idiots STILL go up the inside of trucks. It is just mad !!!
I can only imagine how stressful it must be. It's bad enough driving in London anyway and then you get the two wheeled suicide squad to watch out for too. I can only imagine they don't drive and have no clue about blind spots.
You can stop in an asl to prevent going through a red its not a cycle box its an asl sooner cyclists realise what it is and its proper usage per the highway code the better
I've never understood why cyclists still insist on going down the inside of a vehicle that will crush them when it turns. Surely they must have heard about it by now?
"Instead of forcing everyone to wear a helmet, hand them a paper saying NEVER EVER GO LEFT OF THE LORRY because that's where most cycling accidents happen." -Jay Foreman
Lorry probably shouldn't be in the ASL (unless he was already in when the light went red). But, that's no excuse for the cyclists. (1) lights may change while you're filtering and (2) you can see the ASL is blocked. A similar issue arises when there are many cyclists trying to get into the ASL but they won't all fit. Half end up on the left. Unless you're sure you've got time and space, don't even think about it. And IMO even if there's room - it's still not worth the risk.
Clearly an on the ball lorry driver. I doff my cap fella. The point for me is that the other cyclists cant even pick up on the fact that you have stopped where you have stopped because the lorry is turning left. Its all about observation and they had none.
The lorry driver did well, but so should he. With great power comes great responsibility. You can't drive a lorry the way you would cycle on a bike. That doesn't mean I'm saying the cyclists can do what they want. Of course they should still maximise their safety if possible, but if he did collide with a cyclist, I would not accept the excuse that the lorry driver 'just didn't see them'. If he has a big blind spot and a wide load, he should take a very slow and wide turn. That's just as much common sense, if not more so, than the idea that cyclists should never pass on the inside. I actually don't really see the problem with what the cyclists did. The lorry was stationary at a set of lights. If it were moving, it would have been foolish to pass it, but at the lights, it was fairly safe. If the lights suddenly changed and the lorry started to turn, it would be trivially easy for the cyclists to stop and step onto the curb.
David Iliff You're asking the impossible on congested, narrow London roads. It's up to you to save yourself, not rely on others to ASSUME you're there. See a blind spot? Gonna cycle into it? Going to ride straight on when sat to the left on an indicating vehicle? You're fair game to be turned into Pizza. Simple as that. Use your fucking brains, people.
hypercatjohn The road this clip is shot on could hardly be described as "narrow" it's 3 lanes at the lights, it goes to 2 lanes across the junction and Vauxhall Bridge where I turn left onto is 2 lanes for general traffic + 1 bus lane in each direction. The vast majority of major routes through town are plenty wide enough. Notable exceptions would be where the stupid traffic planners have intentionally reduced the width of the carriageway by expanding the pavements such as Cheapside to "force" cyclists and those in motor vehicles to share the same space. The genuinely narrow roads tend to be on backstreets which are already low enough use to not really warrant specific cycle infrastructure. I do however agree on the fact that we need to look out for ourselves and exercise some common sense on where to place ourselves however we are still trying to make the best of poor quality, inadequate or more often then not non-existent cycle infrastructure at conflict points.
Still shouldn't expect others to go out there way for you, that's how you end up dead. Cyclists should spend more time campaigning the government to build full off road cycle lanes and less time complaining on youtube about how hard done by they are. Just sayin'
hypercatjohn There are plenty of campaigns and organizations (LCC for example) asking for just that but guess what? Pretty much any of them always get met with opposition from the motoring lobby as they don't want to take any space taken away from them and assume it'll automatically lead to traffic chaos! The idea that safer conditions to cycle *may* just lead to a reduction in private motor use and therefore actually ease traffic is beyond them. It's taken 5 or 6 years to get to the point where TfL are actually starting to provide plans that are remotely safe for their "Super"highways with the proposed East/West route however I'm reserving judgement until it's actually built as I've seen them make a hash with the various CS routes so far.
If I did not stop at the lights car bike or lorry I would not be here, rules for all not all obey, it starts at home ~ upbringing. I see knuckleheads daily in cars vans and lorries some still think they have priority “road tax” abolished in 1937 current vehicle tax not used for roads
I drive a lorry and ride a bike, the cyclists in london are suicidal (not all but a hell of a lot) no large vehicle driver wants to leave home, squash some idiot that's squeezed down the nearside and hidden in the blind spot and then spend 14 years in jail!! I used to regularly drive a cartansporter in london (18.75 mtrs long) and my nerves would be in tatters by the time I got out of town!!
@@markifi not everyone in London is wealthy, and not everyone driving in London is from London. Improvements to safer lorries is a good thing, but so is educating cyclist *not* to put themselves in a drivers blind spot. Safety is everyone's responsibility.
On this occasion the problem is created by the driver who'd taken up most of the cyclist safe zone at the front of the junction exit. The safe zone is there so that drivers can see the cyclists and so we can get a safe head start. Also what is the point of having safe cycle super highways that are full of cars, is that not just a normal road. The road should not be painted blue at this junction so I think the main culprits are the Town Planners who design the death traps that are London's road. The cyclists that got safely to the front of the traffic are far from silly but the few in the trucks blind spot clearly have a death wish.
At the company where I work our lorries have just been fitted with an "urban driving" kit. It consists of sensors down the left side with a warning buzzer that sounds in the cab, a wide angle camera mounted under the wing mirror with a monitor in the cab that turns on when you indicate left as well as a audible warning that shouts: "caution, vehicle turning left" again when the left indicator is on!! Obviously not infallible but a great aid for sure.
+Simon Causer You get law breakers in/on any mode of transport. Go stand at a busy junction and you'll see loads of drivers on phones or not wearing seatbelts and if you can find an open stretch of road I'll pretty much guarantee those exceeding the speed limit will outnumber those under it. Law breaking generally comes about due to poor road design, in this instance the blue cycle Superhighway and ASL entice riders into a potentially lethal position at the junction when the correct way to do things is like they have done with the new CS5 section that runs over the bridge and around Vauxhall which is to segregate the motor and bicycle movements into different areas and give each their own light phases, pretty much entirely removes the conflicts.
Being a HGV driver AND a cyclist, I see more drivers disobeying LAWS than cyclists ignoring RULES. And when drivers do it, it's usually one of the most dangerous things you can do in the situation... Blatantly and inexcusably jumping red lights, sweeping across multiple lanes of traffic and literally just driving into your lane without any regard to indicating or whether you can see them let alone stop tonnes of vehicle carrying £millions of cargo strapped to the back.
+Ady Blake I'd have thought as a "full time all weather commuter" you *may* have noticed that the vast majority of cyclists DO obey the law and ride with the due care and attention that our roads demand. Admittedly as my commute is to/from Central London I tend to encounter an awful lot of riders (although ONLY during the commute times, they are remarkably absent outside of those times but that's another matter entirely). Yes I see the idiots (as highlighted on this channel) but much like those poor drivers who show no regard for OTHERS safety the riders who seem to lack a sense of self preservation are quite a small group.
im really not interested in talking to retarded people I have a life but enjoy yourself im sure other peoples opinions on just about everything irk you
Must admit when I approach HGVs or large vans at the lights, I'd rather stay behind it even it its not signalling to turn. For you never know they might not have bothered to indicate.
I have a simple motto. Ride your bike like you drive your car. The amount of people who lose any form of intelligence and sense of personal responsibility when riding a bike boggles me!
Advanced stop lines. Some signal-controlled junctions have advanced stop lines to allow cycles to be positioned ahead of other traffic. Motorists, including motorcyclists, MUST stop at the first white line reached if the lights are amber or red and should avoid blocking the way or encroaching on the marked area at other times, e.g. if the junction ahead is blocked.
Yes. We have them in Edinburgh. However, the issue is cyclists make their way to the front alongside a truck waiting to turn left and the lights change before they get to the front. It's still better to stay clear of a hgv turning left.
@@kirstenfarr5071 that is an unrealistic scenario, this can never happen if the lorry follows the law. If the lorry is stopped behind the line and the cyclist is just passing it, there is more than enough time for a cyclist to pass it before it starts moving. Of course, if the lorry driver starts moving on red and yellow light or is stopped inside the box for cyclists, this will fail to work
I was watching a similar video where a cyclist was nearly killed when pushed to edge of the footpath and found the trucker at fault. In this video there were 3 idiotic cyclists who if caught should be given a hearty fine for their stupidity.
Paco Jones Rule 178 or 182 are not law. There are exceptions where cyclists should not pass on inside of vehicles turning left. Highway Code Rule 72 On the left. When approaching a junction on the left, watch out for vehicles turning in front of you, out of or into the side road. Just before you turn, check for undertaking cyclists or motorcyclists. *Do not ride on the inside of vehicles signalling or slowing down to turn left.*
@busog97641 - The bigger the vehicle, the bigger the turning radius. If a truck squeezes left while preparing to turn left, they'll take out pedestrians on the sidewalk, take out light posts or just get stuck. Those cyclists... Like lemmings into a meat grinder... Proof that there are just as many muppet cyclists as there are muppet motorists. Do cyclists in Amsterdam do this? Or have they solved the problem through education and/or infrastructure?
I just wanted to comment as the trifecta of cyclist, motorcyclist and driver to say well done on seeing the indicator and staying back; in any vehicle there is nothing worse than having cyclists pass you where you're trying to turn
proof if it was needed that lorry drivers aren't to blame for accidents involving cyclists. Fair play for hanging back. Wish everyone had a bit of common sense like you
+hbc222 I don't think it's fair to use a single incident as a basis to judge all others as the circumstances in each case are unique. What I would take from clips like this tho is why do we allow such a dangerous road layout? Surely the best thing to do would be separating the traffic flows so that left turning and straight over flows can never come into conflict with each other.
+cob1965 Whilst I'm all for education for ALL road users I'd be interested to see what you think passing a test proves? After all drivers have to pass a driving test but much of the behaviour that's all over TH-cam would suggest it's not really been that effective. Lets not also forget that about 90% of cyclists also hold a driving license.
sw1000xg faster and a lot heavier which does mean a lot more dangerous, cyclist kill on average about 2 people a year - compare that to any other mode of transport
Bassjunkieuk What's that got to do with them riding around on a road and causing moments of road rage thanks largely to idiots who think that they should be allowed to do what they want AND get away with it! i.e. can't report them due to no way of knowing who they are!
Clearly not, otherwise they would know that under the left mirror is a blind spot on lorries. Even in a car you shouldn't go parallel with a turning lorry. These guys are all idiots and it's how most cyclists end up dead.
Rightly so. As the cyclists lost their self-preservation instinct, have a midle finger as a commnication skill, you have to be thankful there isn't more road rage involving cyclists and more deaths related to that. Since most cyclists I observe have a 'fuck you, I am a holy cow' attitude, I am surprised there are so few deaths amongst them.
The lorry is stopped in the cycle area at the head of the traffic. It should be about 3m further back. This would allow the cyclists to occupy their correct space at the junction and move off before he turned. Not the cyclists fault.
IIRC it was aimed at those last 2 cyclists. At least the first few had the sense to try and get into the ASL, the last ones queueing up down the side are just insane and to actually carry on trying to get through when you are already in a blind spot, unsure if the driver is actually aware of you and can see the lorry moving is frankly suicidal.
The van driver should not of entered the cyclists box but he acted professionally and allowed the cyclists to go first then turning when his way was clear.
This is fkn mental, and they wonder why they have no legs. Being a driver myself I gasp seeing this, because it's the driver who gets nailed for it and I know the blind spots.
What exactly will testing do? All drivers have had training and passed a test yet they don't all become angels of the road do they....Quite why you need special training and testing to do something as safe as cycle I don't know, it only becomes dangerous around inattentive people in charge of a few tons of metal.
@busog97641 Even that won't help in some instances, generally when there isn't room to filter up the left you find people resorting to mounting the pavement to try and get ahead. I suppose it would stop people lining up down the side but at the end of the day people just need to chill and think!
Crawford you can't keep blaming truck drivers for everyone else's stupidity. There was no cycle box I could see don't take up driving anything bigger than your little tin god asxhole
I like to wait exactly where you did, with a good view of the driver’s side-mirror. I reckon it must make the driver feel better knowing exactly where everyone is. Hopefully I can stop a few cyclists doing the squeeze as well.
It's not in front of traffic lights, it's in front of the motor traffic. Idea being it *should* give the cyclists a safe space to wait and minor headstart on the cars behind. Often doesn't quite work out like that tho!
No! Lorry driver should have stopped behind the line on red light and not stop inside the box dedicated to cyclists. Then all cyclists would be able to stop comfortably inside the space dedicated to them and leave the junction even before the lorry driver enters it and starts turning.
Ah yes so "simple", given the number of vehicles I have overtake me whilst I'm cycling who are indicating left and just expect me to stop for them to turn maybe we should "simply" introduce a new law about that too?
And what if there is a large group of cyclists stretching back 10mtrs plus at the junction first? Would you agree with having a law that all cars, vans, trucks and buses must keep back the 10mtrs. Turning left across a cycling lane, you MUST give way to cyclists in that lane.
Lorry has a long established left signal on, and the last 3 dumb arse cyclists blindly join front of Q. They are just waiting to be shovelled up into a bag, lorry driver you are a life saver, and our camera man also shows excellent common sense.
This is a terribly bad junction for conflicts, considering the CSH continues straight on and that is a left turn lane onto the bridge painting the blue up that side is just inviting trouble. Consider that the CSH are designed to encourage NEW cyclists, who may not necessarily have the roadcraft of more seasoned riders, they are possibly more likely to just blindly go up the inside thinking the "magic paint" will protect them.
Rob h Because cyclist don't look or just done care, I was turning left once to turn into a street and I had stopped due a car parking, So my car was at a left angle and I was clearly indicating and once the traffic started to flow, A cyclist instead of over taking me on my right he proceeded to undertake, I missed him by inches due to me seeing him at the last second, He didn't care just thought he had the right to undertake me
Fair play to you as a cyclist being able to critcise other cyclists. Thankfulky the lorry driver was aware enough to allow the cyclists out the way before turning. Had there been an accident, your footage would've been vital as evidence. And again fair play to you for having the awareness of other road users needs and the space required to turn even a small lorry as that is. As a fair weather cyclist and bus driver I am so tempted to shout at thoughtless cyclists, but because I drive a big "dirty" vehicle I am in the wrong!! (Buses are one of the greenest vehicles aeound!)
Thanks for the comments Jamie, given the recent spate of deaths I think clips like this serve to better educate riders on correct riding technique. I'm getting a bit more vocal with my criticism to riders now - especially those who jump lights. Had an amusing one last Friday when I spotted a pavement abusing RLJer as I joined CS7 :-) First time he did it just ahead of me I yelled out "Red!" and got his attention as he looked back. I think got called "Mr Policeman" by Clapham South before once again leaving him behind. By Clapham North he eventually caught up again, this time by bypassing the stacked traffic at lights by riding on the pavement and hopped back into the bus lane. I went passed again and got called a "little bitch". IMHO if your RLJ, pavement using arse can't stay ahead then it's not me who's the little bitch ;) Shame I was heading up South Lambeth Road as I'd have taken great pleasure in repeatedly scalping the little twat further down CS7!
You stay as you are and you'll stay alive. As a driver I wouldn't want to be the one to be involved in a fatality. I go out to earn a penny not harm a fellow man. Cyclists beware please. Use lights and bright clothing too. Help us out!!
Thank you for putting up this video, it shows how the few can ruin it for the many, then cyclist wonder why vehicle drivers show cyclist little respect. It works both ways. Well done you for uploading the video and staying in safe position for both you and the lorry driver. All the best
The cyclists filtered up the left expecting to find space in the cycle box, which is occupied for some reason by the lorry. Lorry shouldn't be there at all. Last couple of cyclists I don't understand tho, as irrespective of whether the lorry is meant to be there or not, it was indicating left and there can't have been much time left to get to the front before the lights changed.
That's fine 1259 keep blaming truck drivers for everyone else's stupidity and incompetence as... Maybe the lights changed to late for driver ...... Stick to what you know car driver
Firstly, given the width of the junction the amber is going to on for quite some time and to assume the driver didn't have time to stop before the first solid white line is generous at best, certainly to drive right up to the second white line says to me they ignored the first completely. Second, the last three cyclists to arrive (especially green shirt cunt and noddy hat/hi-vis woman) are part of the problem. Attitudes like that get you killed ffs, hang back given the motor is there before you, don't be a selfish prick and undercut into a fairly obvious blind spot on larger vehicle turning left!! A separate left turn lane with a solid white line is needed at points like this (which would allow safe left turns whilst red for motors) which in turn should force motorvehicles to turn wider and not encroach. That doesn't though take into account cyclists going straight on coming late to the junction but does give a little more 'safety' room because of the wider turn. At no point does that remove the responsibility of cyclists to use their eyes obey the rules of the road and not be selfish to the point of death.
. If your vehicle has proceeded over the first white line at the time that the signal goes red, you MUST stop at the second white line, even if your vehicle is in the marked area. Allow cyclists time and space to move off when the green signal shows. Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10, 36(1) & 43(2)
I have to admit I didn't understand what the problem was here until I read the description. I've never driven a lorry, so the lorry driver not being able to see a cyclist just didn't occur to me. The purpose of bike boxes at intersections suddenly make a lot more sense to me though. Why didn't the camera man warn/educate the cyclists instead of shaking his head?
At least he stands a chance of seeing them as he has a constant view down the side of his lorry. Articulated lorry drivers pretty much lose sight of the side of the vehicle as soon as they start to turn, a fact most cyclist either don't know about or don't care.
Correct me of I’m wrong thought the new Highway Code said in traffic ques and at junctions cyclists should move to the centre Of their lane so they are clearly visible
Yes it does, however as this video was recorded over a decade ago it wasn't something many were aware of unless they had possibly completed some Bikeability training. This junction has also since been re-designed with a dedicated left-turn lane for cyclists to join C5 to head over Vauxhall Bridge - not sure what arrangement is for those following C8 straight on - I don't go through here anymore.
I’m small and fast! *squish* Okay, only small. I wonder if UK does compulsory riding tests for young cyclists in primary school as it is conventional in Germany. I remember having at least one, maybe even two or three of them when I was a child.
s4ndwichMakeR No compulsory training, just some optional "Bikeability" training that teaches riders the basics and what pretty much amounts to coping techniques for our often hostile roads. Problem is that most parents (myself included) still aren't happy with having their children use main roads despite having this training and when you put the learning into practice (the courses are open to all ages) drivers get all passed off and aggressive as they think you "riding in the middle of the road" is something you do to piss them off rather than for your own safety. I'd much rather see a cycling element to driving lessons so those who are learning to control a few tons of metal have at least a basic grasp or how vulnerable riders are and why they ride as they do. That training could also include advice on blindspots to avoid this kind of behaviour but as with most training how you behave afterwards isn't as easy to regulate (just look at speeding.....)
Nobody mentioning the fact that the lorry driver is there illegally in the box dedicated to cyclists? I keep observing this behaviour every day. It is mainly the taxi drivers who do this that whenever they see cyclists behind them, they cross the line on red and drive into the box for cyclists and block it so that cyclists cannot use it.
A valid point but given that we can't tell if the lorry driver ended up in the ASL/cycle box due to creeping in after the red or due to a light changed when junction was blocked, so they couldn't proceed - as they aren't treated like yellow boxes (don't enter unless you can exit) this can happen at busy places. Besides in the intervening decade since this was recorded this junction has now bee re-designed, providing a permanent left-turn lane for cyclists onto the segregated cycle lane on Vauxhall Bridge.
Marks to you for not educating each and every one of them as they go past. I'm normally on my soap box explaining why it's the worst idea they've had all day to go around me and into the death zone. So, SO silly!
@@jollygoodshow5608 and if you engage both brain cells you might notice I haven’t posted in about 7 years, so I couldn’t give a shit about the subscriber count but thanks for your helpful input on a rather old clip of a junction that has since been re-designed 👍
Notice to cyclists, the sticker on the back of the truck warning about coming up on the inside when we are turning left is not there for decoration! If that lorry was any bigger then the cyclists that are just forward of the front left side would be in a massive blind spot that is capable of hiding a car! So cyclists please, do what the cyclist who filmed this did, stay at the back where we can see you and if it is turning left, let it! We have to keep over to the right so we have enough room to negotiate the corner without mounting the pavements. If you get on the inside of a large lorry turning left the gap between it and the pavement will decrease rapidly and if you are in that danger zone then you could end up dead. Remember, lorries and cyclists are like petrol and fire. You do not let them get too close to each other.
Yes, however without actually being there when the light went red it's impossible to know if the lorry encroached after or it was "stranded" there during a light sequence change where it couldn't proceed. Personally I'd like ASL such as this to be treated like yellow box junctions - don't enter it unless you can get out.
As well as being a cyclist, I drive a 44 tonne articulated HGV and its awful going through city centres because of this behaviour plus we cannot keep right to the left to stop this, due to the length of the trailer as this would cut over the pavement : |
What is the correct thing to do here if you are making your way to the bike box (assuming there's no lorry) and the lights change to green and you're going straight ahead? This is scary as a cyclist. Some cars are indicating left. I always pull into the side before the junction and wait for a gap as I don't trust cars will check before turning. Do we wait at the side? Is this the correct thing to do? It says cars are supposed to wait till we're out the way in the Highway code but I don't think people realise this. I'm not an entitled cyclist by the way just genuinely want to know the correct action. It's confusing.
Generally at that point my approach would be to yield to anyone turning that is ahead of me, at this point you should be able to tell from their actions if they have actually seen you. Normally this would involve them actually stopping and can see them checking mirrors etc. which is a positive sign :) Can then either wave them through to turn and then go straight on or proceed to go straight on but remember to give them a thank you thumbs up or wave :)
It really surprised me when the first one overtook you @ :16, because it appears that you have the lane blocked quite well. Makes me wonder what the cyclist were thinking with you being, 'What is he doing staying so far back, why doesn't he come up here with us, where we are supposed to be, in front of everyone!' ; > {
It's nice to see a cyclist with a bit of sense (one filming) instead Of these other idiots,and that's being polite,theyve obviously no sense of danger. If the driver wasn't on the ball,which obviously he was and ran over someone,not by any fault of his own,hes got to live with that,just because someone wants to be 30ft further up The road....at least we should be grateful they stopped at a red light!
You have to be a little bit serious.The first 2 seconds clearly shows left hand turn lane.All the vehicles have their signal lights on.Who do these people think they are.Even the person filming is on a bike and you heard his comment.
If the lorry didn't ignore the advance stop line, the cyclists would have been able to get around the front of the lorry to a safer position. How are cyclists supposed to get around traffic to the cycle safe zone - designed to allow cyclists to pull away segregated from traffic, without going up the left hand side when cycle lanes are on the left?
This is where a little common sense comes into play. As we don't see the lights change when the lorry is stopping it's unfair on the lorry driver to suggest they have ignored the first stop line, the light sequence here is incredibly short at times so it is quite possible they changed at a point where he wouldn't have been able to stop before the first line. Secondly getting into the ASL isn't mandatory, if you look at the blindspots on a HGV they pretty much fit in with a cycle lane+ASL box so why take a risk putting yourself somewhere the driver won't see you? I'd also add the lanes here are by no means "segregated" - that would imply a physical separation between the road space used by each mode of transport and unfortunately, despite TFL's best efforts, a bit of blue and white paint doesn't cut it.
The advance stop line was not ignored cycle lane and lane for tuning left same space If I was driving this small lorry I would have hugged left hand kerb on approach
Perhaps the driver got caught by The lights changing and traffic the otherside Of The junction queing,i drive 50ft artic,and sometimes you loose count Of The amount of times the lights change sand,you can't saftley clear the junction area,as well as car drivers keep filling thehole your trying to get into!
It's somewhat now a responsibility of the truck companies to take some measure in order to ensure that cyclists are made aware of a vehicle that is turning, by the use of an audible device. So the truck companies are doing something, however, it's just an unfair way of shifting the responsibility onto the truck companies instead of the government agencies and highways departments taking any burden themselves. If the truck companies can share the responsibility then why can the cyclists not take responsibility. Basic road awareness courses, such as CBT (Compulsory Basic Training). What use is an audible device to a cyclist who is deaf.
And the cyclists, seeing that the lorry intends to turn left, have no responsibility for their own safety? Cyclists are the most vulnerable on the road, but are never in the wrong. Remember, you might be in the right, but that's no good if a driver doesn't see you and you are crushed. Please think of blind spots etc., and take a small bit of responsibility for your own safety. And learn about other road user's blind spots.
I agree that the cyclists should not be passing the lorry on the left, I would not, however the lorry has stopped on the area designated for cyclists. He should be further back.
As a truck driver in London with left turn audible warnings fitted and cctv and side scan I am amazed STILL that these idiots STILL go up the inside of trucks. It is just mad !!!
I can only imagine how stressful it must be. It's bad enough driving in London anyway and then you get the two wheeled suicide squad to watch out for too. I can only imagine they don't drive and have no clue about blind spots.
@PRIVATE HIRE DRIVER magnet for idiots A foreign truck driver would be able to see them better since he'd be sitting on the left of his truck.
It's a good thing the lorry driver has more feckin' sense than the cyclists.
By stopping illegally in the box for cyclists?
You can stop in an asl to prevent going through a red its not a cycle box its an asl sooner cyclists realise what it is and its proper usage per the highway code the better
respect to you dude for hanging back. i never filter on the left in a left turn lane, its amazing how clueless some riders can be. ride safe man..
I've never understood why cyclists still insist on going down the inside of a vehicle that will crush them when it turns. Surely they must have heard about it by now?
Why did lorry run the red light by crossing the line and stopping in the box for cyclists?
@@acceleratedsloth He never ran red light you blind prick thats a cyclist job
Because there bloody stupid
Because councils insist in painting cycle lanes leading to the advance stop line on the left, implying that's the only correct side to filter
@acceleratedsloth he didn't run the red light but it does show how stupid cyclists are
"Instead of forcing everyone to wear a helmet, hand them a paper saying NEVER EVER GO LEFT OF THE LORRY because that's where most cycling accidents happen." -Jay Foreman
Lorry probably shouldn't be in the ASL (unless he was already in when the light went red).
But, that's no excuse for the cyclists. (1) lights may change while you're filtering and (2) you can see the ASL is blocked.
A similar issue arises when there are many cyclists trying to get into the ASL but they won't all fit. Half end up on the left.
Unless you're sure you've got time and space, don't even think about it. And IMO even if there's room - it's still not worth the risk.
Clearly an on the ball lorry driver. I doff my cap fella. The point for me is that the other cyclists cant even pick up on the fact that you have stopped where you have stopped because the lorry is turning left. Its all about observation and they had none.
The lorry driver did well, but so should he. With great power comes great responsibility. You can't drive a lorry the way you would cycle on a bike. That doesn't mean I'm saying the cyclists can do what they want. Of course they should still maximise their safety if possible, but if he did collide with a cyclist, I would not accept the excuse that the lorry driver 'just didn't see them'. If he has a big blind spot and a wide load, he should take a very slow and wide turn. That's just as much common sense, if not more so, than the idea that cyclists should never pass on the inside. I actually don't really see the problem with what the cyclists did. The lorry was stationary at a set of lights. If it were moving, it would have been foolish to pass it, but at the lights, it was fairly safe. If the lights suddenly changed and the lorry started to turn, it would be trivially easy for the cyclists to stop and step onto the curb.
David Iliff You're asking the impossible on congested, narrow London roads. It's up to you to save yourself, not rely on others to ASSUME you're there. See a blind spot? Gonna cycle into it? Going to ride straight on when sat to the left on an indicating vehicle? You're fair game to be turned into Pizza. Simple as that. Use your fucking brains, people.
hypercatjohn The road this clip is shot on could hardly be described as "narrow" it's 3 lanes at the lights, it goes to 2 lanes across the junction and Vauxhall Bridge where I turn left onto is 2 lanes for general traffic + 1 bus lane in each direction. The vast majority of major routes through town are plenty wide enough. Notable exceptions would be where the stupid traffic planners have intentionally reduced the width of the carriageway by expanding the pavements such as Cheapside to "force" cyclists and those in motor vehicles to share the same space. The genuinely narrow roads tend to be on backstreets which are already low enough use to not really warrant specific cycle infrastructure.
I do however agree on the fact that we need to look out for ourselves and exercise some common sense on where to place ourselves however we are still trying to make the best of poor quality, inadequate or more often then not non-existent cycle infrastructure at conflict points.
Still shouldn't expect others to go out there way for you, that's how you end up dead. Cyclists should spend more time campaigning the government to build full off road cycle lanes and less time complaining on youtube about how hard done by they are. Just sayin'
hypercatjohn There are plenty of campaigns and organizations (LCC for example) asking for just that but guess what? Pretty much any of them always get met with opposition from the motoring lobby as they don't want to take any space taken away from them and assume it'll automatically lead to traffic chaos! The idea that safer conditions to cycle *may* just lead to a reduction in private motor use and therefore actually ease traffic is beyond them. It's taken 5 or 6 years to get to the point where TfL are actually starting to provide plans that are remotely safe for their "Super"highways with the proposed East/West route however I'm reserving judgement until it's actually built as I've seen them make a hash with the various CS routes so far.
And no doubt they would have blamed the lorry driver. Nice to see you waited and this video wasnt totally 1 sided like most on here.
how can he give way if he carnt see them???? stupid going up the side of a truck
Why did the lorry driver run a red light and stop in the box for cyclists?
@@acceleratedsloth He didn't. There is no cycle box at this junction. There is only one 'stop' line. The lorry driver has done nothing wrong.
I'm a cyclist,but that has to be the thickest carry-on I've ever seen.Note the way they all followed each other like sheep.
Going on the nearside of an HGV is madness.
They are just too impatient.
I was more surprised that the cyclists were actually waiting at a red light!!!
Ho ho ho. I was surprised that the lorry was in the ASL box.
If I did not stop at the lights car bike or lorry I would not be here, rules for all not all obey, it starts at home ~ upbringing. I see knuckleheads daily in cars vans and lorries some still think they have priority “road tax” abolished in 1937 current vehicle tax not used for roads
Well the lorry ran a red light obviously as it is stopped inside the box for cyclists
Countries that allow cyclist to go through a red light. Have far less accidents & wear less helmets
I drive a lorry and ride a bike, the cyclists in london are suicidal (not all but a hell of a lot) no large vehicle driver wants to leave home, squash some idiot that's squeezed down the nearside and hidden in the blind spot and then spend 14 years in jail!! I used to regularly drive a cartansporter in london (18.75 mtrs long) and my nerves would be in tatters by the time I got out of town!!
I agree with you but in such a wealthy area as London is no lorry should be without blind spot monitoring already. This should be mandatory.
@@markifi If it wasn't for twats like you - there'd be no need would there?
@@markifi not everyone in London is wealthy, and not everyone driving in London is from London.
Improvements to safer lorries is a good thing, but so is educating cyclist *not* to put themselves in a drivers blind spot.
Safety is everyone's responsibility.
@@TheMirrorGuy I won't argue with that, you're right.
@@markifi I am glad you agree. 👍😁
On this occasion the problem is created by the driver who'd taken up most of the cyclist safe zone at the front of the junction exit. The safe zone is there so that drivers can see the cyclists and so we can get a safe head start. Also what is the point of having safe cycle super highways that are full of cars, is that not just a normal road. The road should not be painted blue at this junction so I think the main culprits are the Town Planners who design the death traps that are London's road. The cyclists that got safely to the front of the traffic are far from silly but the few in the trucks blind spot clearly have a death wish.
organ donors
Natural selection at work lol
C Challinor Under a lorry ur organs get transformed into mashed potatoes , not to be donated !
At the company where I work our lorries have just been fitted with an "urban driving" kit. It consists of sensors down the left side with a warning buzzer that sounds in the cab, a wide angle camera mounted under the wing mirror with a monitor in the cab that turns on when you indicate left as well as a audible warning that shouts: "caution, vehicle turning left" again when the left indicator is on!! Obviously not infallible but a great aid for sure.
Well done. it's good to see a sensible and repectful cyclist on the road.
being a lorry driver myself I can assure you this is so common on our roads swarms of idiots on cycles disobeying road LAWS
+Simon Causer You get law breakers in/on any mode of transport. Go stand at a busy junction and you'll see loads of drivers on phones or not wearing seatbelts and if you can find an open stretch of road I'll pretty much guarantee those exceeding the speed limit will outnumber those under it. Law breaking generally comes about due to poor road design, in this instance the blue cycle Superhighway and ASL entice riders into a potentially lethal position at the junction when the correct way to do things is like they have done with the new CS5 section that runs over the bridge and around Vauxhall which is to segregate the motor and bicycle movements into different areas and give each their own light phases, pretty much entirely removes the conflicts.
Being a HGV driver AND a cyclist, I see more drivers disobeying LAWS than cyclists ignoring RULES.
And when drivers do it, it's usually one of the most dangerous things you can do in the situation...
Blatantly and inexcusably jumping red lights, sweeping across multiple lanes of traffic and literally just driving into your lane without any regard to indicating or whether you can see them let alone stop tonnes of vehicle carrying £millions of cargo strapped to the back.
+Ady Blake I'd have thought as a "full time all weather commuter" you *may* have noticed that the vast majority of cyclists DO obey the law and ride with the due care and attention that our roads demand. Admittedly as my commute is to/from Central London I tend to encounter an awful lot of riders (although ONLY during the commute times, they are remarkably absent outside of those times but that's another matter entirely). Yes I see the idiots (as highlighted on this channel) but much like those poor drivers who show no regard for OTHERS safety the riders who seem to lack a sense of self preservation are quite a small group.
Simon Causer well smart arse if Lorry wasn't in advanced stop zone it wouldn't have happened ( or is that a law that u don't know about ,,,,idiot
im really not interested in talking to retarded people I have a life but enjoy yourself im sure other peoples opinions on just about everything irk you
Must admit when I approach HGVs or large vans at the lights, I'd rather stay behind it even it its not signalling to turn. For you never know they might not have bothered to indicate.
I have a simple motto. Ride your bike like you drive your car.
The amount of people who lose any form of intelligence and sense of personal responsibility when riding a bike boggles me!
Advanced stop lines. Some signal-controlled junctions have advanced stop lines to allow cycles to be positioned ahead of other traffic. Motorists, including motorcyclists, MUST stop at the first white line reached if the lights are amber or red and should avoid blocking the way or encroaching on the marked area at other times, e.g. if the junction ahead is blocked.
Yes. We have them in Edinburgh. However, the issue is cyclists make their way to the front alongside a truck waiting to turn left and the lights change before they get to the front. It's still better to stay clear of a hgv turning left.
@@kirstenfarr5071 that is an unrealistic scenario, this can never happen if the lorry follows the law.
If the lorry is stopped behind the line and the cyclist is just passing it, there is more than enough time for a cyclist to pass it before it starts moving. Of course, if the lorry driver starts moving on red and yellow light or is stopped inside the box for cyclists, this will fail to work
I was watching a similar video where a cyclist was nearly killed when pushed to edge of the footpath and found the trucker at fault. In this video there were 3 idiotic cyclists who if caught should be given a hearty fine for their stupidity.
Paco Jones Rule 178 or 182 are not law. There are exceptions where cyclists should not pass on inside of vehicles turning left.
Highway Code Rule 72
On the left. When approaching a junction on the left, watch out for vehicles turning in front of you, out of or into the side road. Just before you turn, check for undertaking cyclists or motorcyclists. *Do not ride on the inside of vehicles signalling or slowing down to turn left.*
@busog97641 - The bigger the vehicle, the bigger the turning radius. If a truck squeezes left while preparing to turn left, they'll take out pedestrians on the sidewalk, take out light posts or just get stuck.
Those cyclists... Like lemmings into a meat grinder... Proof that there are just as many muppet cyclists as there are muppet motorists.
Do cyclists in Amsterdam do this? Or have they solved the problem through education and/or infrastructure?
I just wanted to comment as the trifecta of cyclist, motorcyclist and driver to say well done on seeing the indicator and staying back; in any vehicle there is nothing worse than having cyclists pass you where you're trying to turn
I applaud you for this. Total respect my friend. Well done
proof if it was needed that lorry drivers aren't to blame for accidents involving cyclists. Fair play for hanging back. Wish everyone had a bit of common sense like you
+hbc222 I don't think it's fair to use a single incident as a basis to judge all others as the circumstances in each case are unique. What I would take from clips like this tho is why do we allow such a dangerous road layout? Surely the best thing to do would be separating the traffic flows so that left turning and straight over flows can never come into conflict with each other.
not a clue! I think a lot of London Cyclists need some form of test....
+cob1965 Whilst I'm all for education for ALL road users I'd be interested to see what you think passing a test proves? After all drivers have to pass a driving test but much of the behaviour that's all over TH-cam would suggest it's not really been that effective. Lets not also forget that about 90% of cyclists also hold a driving license.
+cob1965 And License and Insurance...
+Bassjunkieuk Yet you need a test and license for a motor bike? But not cyclists? Only difference is one is faster than the other!
sw1000xg faster and a lot heavier which does mean a lot more dangerous, cyclist kill on average about 2 people a year - compare that to any other mode of transport
Bassjunkieuk
What's that got to do with them riding around on a road and causing moments of road rage thanks largely to idiots who think that they should be allowed to do what they want AND get away with it! i.e. can't report them due to no way of knowing who they are!
This is how riders get a bad name, and get killed.
+antigonish63 Thank god!
+antigonish63 NO! It's how lorry drivers get an undeserved bad name. It's time to take make cycling the subject of a proficiency test.
Clearly not, otherwise they would know that under the left mirror is a blind spot on lorries. Even in a car you shouldn't go parallel with a turning lorry. These guys are all idiots and it's how most cyclists end up dead.
Rightly so. As the cyclists lost their self-preservation instinct, have a midle finger as a commnication skill, you have to be thankful there isn't more road rage involving cyclists and more deaths related to that. Since most cyclists I observe have a 'fuck you, I am a holy cow' attitude, I am surprised there are so few deaths amongst them.
The lorry is stopped in the cycle area at the head of the traffic. It should be about 3m further back. This would allow the cyclists to occupy their correct space at the junction and move off before he turned. Not the cyclists fault.
IIRC it was aimed at those last 2 cyclists. At least the first few had the sense to try and get into the ASL, the last ones queueing up down the side are just insane and to actually carry on trying to get through when you are already in a blind spot, unsure if the driver is actually aware of you and can see the lorry moving is frankly suicidal.
The van driver should not of entered the cyclists box but he acted professionally and allowed the cyclists to go first then turning when his way was clear.
At last someone who has seen that the driver did wrong. Also the first two cyclists could have been at the lights before the lorry.
This is fkn mental, and they wonder why they have no legs. Being a driver myself I gasp seeing this, because it's the driver who gets nailed for it and I know the blind spots.
Sucking in the exhaust fumes 😂🤣
Muppet lorry drive is also about three years into the advance stop box.
What exactly will testing do? All drivers have had training and passed a test yet they don't all become angels of the road do they....Quite why you need special training and testing to do something as safe as cycle I don't know, it only becomes dangerous around inattentive people in charge of a few tons of metal.
@busog97641 Even that won't help in some instances, generally when there isn't room to filter up the left you find people resorting to mounting the pavement to try and get ahead. I suppose it would stop people lining up down the side but at the end of the day people just need to chill and think!
Or thelorry driver shoukd not run a red light and block box for cyclists
The lorry shouldn't have been stopped in the cycle area at the lights to start with
Crawford you can't keep blaming truck drivers for everyone else's stupidity. There was no cycle box I could see don't take up driving anything bigger than your little tin god asxhole
I like to wait exactly where you did, with a good view of the driver’s side-mirror. I reckon it must make the driver feel better knowing exactly where everyone is. Hopefully I can stop a few cyclists doing the squeeze as well.
I shook my head almost exactly when You did ha ha ha
It's why there is cyclists space in front of trafic lights!
It's not in front of traffic lights, it's in front of the motor traffic. Idea being it *should* give the cyclists a safe space to wait and minor headstart on the cars behind. Often doesn't quite work out like that tho!
Truck should have pulled further to the left so nothing can get up the inside
No! Lorry driver should have stopped behind the line on red light and not stop inside the box dedicated to cyclists. Then all cyclists would be able to stop comfortably inside the space dedicated to them and leave the junction even before the lorry driver enters it and starts turning.
no baisic road understanding, i bet a few of them are drivers too!!
So if one or more of those cyclists ended up under the truck, whose fault would it be?
Cyclists they weren't giving 1 about the trucker. They were in a complete blind spot
The cam wearer for knowing what will happen & failing to prevent it.
***** Yeah!
Simple pass a law to say illegal to pull up the inside of a signaling left vechile
Ah yes so "simple", given the number of vehicles I have overtake me whilst I'm cycling who are indicating left and just expect me to stop for them to turn maybe we should "simply" introduce a new law about that too?
And what if there is a large group of cyclists stretching back 10mtrs plus at the junction first? Would you agree with having a law that all cars, vans, trucks and buses must keep back the 10mtrs. Turning left across a cycling lane, you MUST give way to cyclists in that lane.
Lorry has a long established left signal on, and the last 3 dumb arse cyclists blindly join front of Q.
They are just waiting to be shovelled up into a bag, lorry driver you are a life saver, and our camera man also shows excellent common sense.
As a lorry driver you dont expect cyclists to be stopped there. I haven't saw any of them actually stop for a red light for weeks.
The lorry driver ran a red light and stopped inside a cyclist box in this case
@@acceleratedsloth your arse, watch the video.
I see the danger but the hgv drivers is probably so use to this
This is a terribly bad junction for conflicts, considering the CSH continues straight on and that is a left turn lane onto the bridge painting the blue up that side is just inviting trouble. Consider that the CSH are designed to encourage NEW cyclists, who may not necessarily have the roadcraft of more seasoned riders, they are possibly more likely to just blindly go up the inside thinking the "magic paint" will protect them.
The flashing orange things are normally a good indication of what the lorry driver intends to do. Why not just hang back?
Rob h Because cyclist don't look or just done care, I was turning left once to turn into a street and I had stopped due a car parking, So my car was at a left angle and I was clearly indicating and once the traffic started to flow, A cyclist instead of over taking me on my right he proceeded to undertake, I missed him by inches due to me seeing him at the last second, He didn't care just thought he had the right to undertake me
This is unusual not like cyclist to stop at a red light
Surprisingly much like in this video the majority of riders do actually stop!
Not what I observe every day. Its as if suicyclists can't see anything above their eyeline, or more than 6 feet in front of them.
Bassjunkieuk
not in my experience
Like most drivers exceed the speed limit. Oh no that's actually true most drivers do exceed the speed limit.
It was the lorry driver in this case who crossed the line on red
That's how to get flattened
Fair play to you as a cyclist being able to critcise other cyclists. Thankfulky the lorry driver was aware enough to allow the cyclists out the way before turning. Had there been an accident, your footage would've been vital as evidence. And again fair play to you for having the awareness of other road users needs and the space required to turn even a small lorry as that is. As a fair weather cyclist and bus driver I am so tempted to shout at thoughtless cyclists, but because I drive a big "dirty" vehicle I am in the wrong!! (Buses are one of the greenest vehicles aeound!)
Thanks for the comments Jamie, given the recent spate of deaths I think clips like this serve to better educate riders on correct riding technique. I'm getting a bit more vocal with my criticism to riders now - especially those who jump lights. Had an amusing one last Friday when I spotted a pavement abusing RLJer as I joined CS7 :-) First time he did it just ahead of me I yelled out "Red!" and got his attention as he looked back. I think got called "Mr Policeman" by Clapham South before once again leaving him behind. By Clapham North he eventually caught up again, this time by bypassing the stacked traffic at lights by riding on the pavement and hopped back into the bus lane. I went passed again and got called a "little bitch". IMHO if your RLJ, pavement using arse can't stay ahead then it's not me who's the little bitch ;) Shame I was heading up South Lambeth Road as I'd have taken great pleasure in repeatedly scalping the little twat further down CS7!
You stay as you are and you'll stay alive. As a driver I wouldn't want to be the one to be involved in a fatality. I go out to earn a penny not harm a fellow man. Cyclists beware please. Use lights and bright clothing too. Help us out!!
Thank you for putting up this video, it shows how the few can ruin it for the many, then cyclist wonder why vehicle drivers show cyclist little respect. It works both ways. Well done you for uploading the video and staying in safe position for both you and the lorry driver. All the best
There is no respect shown by the lorry driver when he stops inside a box for cyclists
@bassjunkieuk people like you help keep our roads safe!
Where can I find vids of turtle heads being crushed?
The cyclists filtered up the left expecting to find space in the cycle box, which is occupied for some reason by the lorry. Lorry shouldn't be there at all. Last couple of cyclists I don't understand tho, as irrespective of whether the lorry is meant to be there or not, it was indicating left and there can't have been much time left to get to the front before the lights changed.
That's fine 1259 keep blaming truck drivers for everyone else's stupidity and incompetence as... Maybe the lights changed to late for driver ...... Stick to what you know car driver
Firstly, given the width of the junction the amber is going to on for quite some time and to assume the driver didn't have time to stop before the first solid white line is generous at best, certainly to drive right up to the second white line says to me they ignored the first completely.
Second, the last three cyclists to arrive (especially green shirt cunt and noddy hat/hi-vis woman) are part of the problem. Attitudes like that get you killed ffs, hang back given the motor is there before you, don't be a selfish prick and undercut into a fairly obvious blind spot on larger vehicle turning left!!
A separate left turn lane with a solid white line is needed at points like this (which would allow safe left turns whilst red for motors) which in turn should force motorvehicles to turn wider and not encroach. That doesn't though take into account cyclists going straight on coming late to the junction but does give a little more 'safety' room because of the wider turn. At no point does that remove the responsibility of cyclists to use their eyes obey the rules of the road and not be selfish to the point of death.
They can see the lorry is indicating, he’s turning left , why did the cyclists not wait behind?
you're so nice for telling them to watch out for the truck and upload the video on youtube, sooooo generous
. If your vehicle has proceeded over the first white line at the time that the signal goes red, you MUST stop at the second white line, even if your vehicle is in the marked area. Allow cyclists time and space to move off when the green signal shows.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10, 36(1) & 43(2)
Stopping on the second white line can be acceptable on a 40mph road with no traffic ahead of you. Deffinitelly not in a 20mph slow moving traffic.
I see a bike lane with priority. The truck has to wait.
how stupid are you cyclists think the rules of the road don't apply to them
I have to admit I didn't understand what the problem was here until I read the description. I've never driven a lorry, so the lorry driver not being able to see a cyclist just didn't occur to me. The purpose of bike boxes at intersections suddenly make a lot more sense to me though.
Why didn't the camera man warn/educate the cyclists instead of shaking his head?
Cuz he would be there all day at every junction shouting and nobody would be listening. trust me it's a waste of his breath
At least he stands a chance of seeing them as he has a constant view down the side of his lorry.
Articulated lorry drivers pretty much lose sight of the side of the vehicle as soon as they start to turn, a fact most cyclist either don't know about or don't care.
Correct me of I’m wrong thought the new Highway Code said in traffic ques and at junctions cyclists should move to the centre
Of their lane so they are clearly visible
Yes it does, however as this video was recorded over a decade ago it wasn't something many were aware of unless they had possibly completed some Bikeability training.
This junction has also since been re-designed with a dedicated left-turn lane for cyclists to join C5 to head over Vauxhall Bridge - not sure what arrangement is for those following C8 straight on - I don't go through here anymore.
I’m small and fast! *squish* Okay, only small.
I wonder if UK does compulsory riding tests for young cyclists in primary school as it is conventional in Germany. I remember having at least one, maybe even two or three of them when I was a child.
s4ndwichMakeR No compulsory training, just some optional "Bikeability" training that teaches riders the basics and what pretty much amounts to coping techniques for our often hostile roads. Problem is that most parents (myself included) still aren't happy with having their children use main roads despite having this training and when you put the learning into practice (the courses are open to all ages) drivers get all passed off and aggressive as they think you "riding in the middle of the road" is something you do to piss them off rather than for your own safety.
I'd much rather see a cycling element to driving lessons so those who are learning to control a few tons of metal have at least a basic grasp or how vulnerable riders are and why they ride as they do. That training could also include advice on blindspots to avoid this kind of behaviour but as with most training how you behave afterwards isn't as easy to regulate (just look at speeding.....)
Nobody mentioning the fact that the lorry driver is there illegally in the box dedicated to cyclists?
I keep observing this behaviour every day. It is mainly the taxi drivers who do this that whenever they see cyclists behind them, they cross the line on red and drive into the box for cyclists and block it so that cyclists cannot use it.
A valid point but given that we can't tell if the lorry driver ended up in the ASL/cycle box due to creeping in after the red or due to a light changed when junction was blocked, so they couldn't proceed - as they aren't treated like yellow boxes (don't enter unless you can exit) this can happen at busy places.
Besides in the intervening decade since this was recorded this junction has now bee re-designed, providing a permanent left-turn lane for cyclists onto the segregated cycle lane on Vauxhall Bridge.
Yep and that it is always the cars fault.
Great driving by home delivery network.
Marks to you for not educating each and every one of them as they go past. I'm normally on my soap box explaining why it's the worst idea they've had all day to go around me and into the death zone. So, SO silly!
OOH Why is this Truck crushing me. He should see me in his Blind spot because I have a High Vis on. Muppets
Facilitating the flow of traffic and considering own safety. Now, there's an example to follow, cyclists.
It was good of you to stay back, but looking at the others, it shows that a lot of cyclists need educating in them situations
Home delivery network. Thank you. Super driving. Sorry about the zombie diecyclist. We are not all that stupid and inconsiderate.
You had me watching all that time, for that shit
It’s intended as an educational piece, clearly wasted on you.
1.5k subscribers in nine years, clearly I'm not the only one bored shitless
@@jollygoodshow5608 and if you engage both brain cells you might notice I haven’t posted in about 7 years, so I couldn’t give a shit about the subscriber count but thanks for your helpful input on a rather old clip of a junction that has since been re-designed 👍
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Notice to cyclists, the sticker on the back of the truck warning about coming up on the inside when we are turning left is not there for decoration! If that lorry was any bigger then the cyclists that are just forward of the front left side would be in a massive blind spot that is capable of hiding a car! So cyclists please, do what the cyclist who filmed this did, stay at the back where we can see you and if it is turning left, let it! We have to keep over to the right so we have enough room to negotiate the corner without mounting the pavements. If you get on the inside of a large lorry turning left the gap between it and the pavement will decrease rapidly and if you are in that danger zone then you could end up dead. Remember, lorries and cyclists are like petrol and fire. You do not let them get too close to each other.
Is there not an advanced stop box that they lorry should be behind, which the cyclists should have been able to fill and therefore get away safely.
Yes, however without actually being there when the light went red it's impossible to know if the lorry encroached after or it was "stranded" there during a light sequence change where it couldn't proceed. Personally I'd like ASL such as this to be treated like yellow box junctions - don't enter it unless you can get out.
Did you not read the title of the video?
That is so dangerous, It cannot be retold enough, do not pull up inside of any large vehicle, whether it is indicating left or not!
I thought that guy in the green shirt was gonna get left-hooked for sure....
As well as being a cyclist, I drive a 44 tonne articulated HGV and its awful going through city centres because of this behaviour plus we cannot keep right to the left to stop this, due to the length of the trailer as this would cut over the pavement : |
this is extremely frightening
What is the correct thing to do here if you are making your way to the bike box (assuming there's no lorry) and the lights change to green and you're going straight ahead? This is scary as a cyclist. Some cars are indicating left. I always pull into the side before the junction and wait for a gap as I don't trust cars will check before turning. Do we wait at the side? Is this the correct thing to do? It says cars are supposed to wait till we're out the way in the Highway code but I don't think people realise this. I'm not an entitled cyclist by the way just genuinely want to know the correct action. It's confusing.
Generally at that point my approach would be to yield to anyone turning that is ahead of me, at this point you should be able to tell from their actions if they have actually seen you. Normally this would involve them actually stopping and can see them checking mirrors etc. which is a positive sign :) Can then either wave them through to turn and then go straight on or proceed to go straight on but remember to give them a thank you thumbs up or wave :)
Why are there orange flashing lights on lorry?
It really surprised me when the first one overtook you @ :16, because it appears that you have the lane blocked quite well. Makes me wonder what the cyclist were thinking with you being, 'What is he doing staying so far back, why doesn't he come up here with us, where we are supposed to be, in front of everyone!'
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It's nice to see a cyclist with a bit of sense (one filming) instead Of these other idiots,and that's being polite,theyve obviously no sense of danger. If the driver wasn't on the ball,which obviously he was and ran over someone,not by any fault of his own,hes got to live with that,just because someone wants to be 30ft further up The road....at least we should be grateful they stopped at a red light!
Congratulations to the driver. He has way more sense than those numpties.
By running a red light and stopping inside a box for cyclists?
First of all the driver is in the blue area, which is just for bicycles, to avoid this kind of dangerous situations.
Come on be fair! At least they didn’t run the red light - for a change.
You have to be a little bit serious.The first 2 seconds clearly shows left hand turn lane.All the vehicles have their signal lights on.Who do these people think they are.Even the person filming is on a bike and you heard his comment.
Firstly well done to the cam cyclists, secondly this is why cyclists have a bad name. 7 out of 8 done the wrong thing
I like how you have to describe what happened in the comments because you can't even tell that the driver did anything wrong.
apart from stopping t in the cycle box.
If only there were specific lanes and other forms of INDICATION
Thankfully the junction has been redesigned in the 12-3yrs since this was recorded....
If the lorry didn't ignore the advance stop line, the cyclists would have been able to get around the front of the lorry to a safer position. How are cyclists supposed to get around traffic to the cycle safe zone - designed to allow cyclists to pull away segregated from traffic, without going up the left hand side when cycle lanes are on the left?
This is where a little common sense comes into play. As we don't see the lights change when the lorry is stopping it's unfair on the lorry driver to suggest they have ignored the first stop line, the light sequence here is incredibly short at times so it is quite possible they changed at a point where he wouldn't have been able to stop before the first line. Secondly getting into the ASL isn't mandatory, if you look at the blindspots on a HGV they pretty much fit in with a cycle lane+ASL box so why take a risk putting yourself somewhere the driver won't see you? I'd also add the lanes here are by no means "segregated" - that would imply a physical separation between the road space used by each mode of transport and unfortunately, despite TFL's best efforts, a bit of blue and white paint doesn't cut it.
The advance stop line was not ignored cycle lane and lane for tuning left same space If I was driving this small lorry I would have hugged left hand kerb on approach
It's very simple.. don't drive up into the blind spot of a lorry which is signalling to turn.
i am ex retired truck ( artic ) driver and i would be hugging that kerb so a gnat would not pass lol
Perhaps the driver got caught by The lights changing and traffic the otherside Of The junction queing,i drive 50ft artic,and sometimes you loose count Of The amount of times the lights change sand,you can't saftley clear the junction area,as well as car drivers keep filling thehole your trying to get into!
It's somewhat now a responsibility of the truck companies to take some measure in order to ensure that cyclists are made aware of a vehicle that is turning, by the use of an audible device. So the truck companies are doing something, however, it's just an unfair way of shifting the responsibility onto the truck companies instead of the government agencies and highways departments taking any burden themselves.
If the truck companies can share the responsibility then why can the cyclists not take responsibility. Basic road awareness courses, such as CBT (Compulsory Basic Training). What use is an audible device to a cyclist who is deaf.
That was nearly a strike 😂
@SkrzypczykBass I know, it is just a half-hearted attempt to make the world a better place, to run a bit smother.
The cyclist should give way to the lorry cars rule oh yes
And the cyclists, seeing that the lorry intends to turn left, have no responsibility for their own safety? Cyclists are the most vulnerable on the road, but are never in the wrong. Remember, you might be in the right, but that's no good if a driver doesn't see you and you are crushed. Please think of blind spots etc., and take a small bit of responsibility for your own safety. And learn about other road user's blind spots.
Just not be on road they should have to pay some sort of insurance a rider went in to back of my car £280 I had to pay to fix paint work
@Mickygemma one of the "problems" with the warm weather ;-)
Well if they don't take note of the clear indication by the lorry then it's just a matter of time, good riddance!
I agree that the cyclists should not be passing the lorry on the left, I would not, however the lorry has stopped on the area designated for cyclists. He should be further back.