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Most of them feel like such a damn chore to play. I wanna feel like I am actually playing, not watching a bunch of cutscenes, and getting to walk around once in a while.
This is really just the tip of the surface with the problems surrounding JRPG's. The cliches are unreal, their methods of story-telling are simple bizarre as well, just to name a few others.
@@WoowMan-c8c 2 years after, i am here to reply. video games and anime or Japanese movies (or whatever that needs subtitles) were different but both wonderful type of art or media you can really sink yourself in and indulge yourself on their worlds and just forget about real life problems at least for a tiny bit, a simple little distraction and a very good ones at that. i like both, anime and video games (or good shows in general) but ill say im more inclined to video games because i feel i am more "involved" in the world of that particular game (storywise) because im more in "control" and game lets you interact with that world compared to shows, anime, or any type of media in my opinion.
JRPGs suck but not because of the turn based mechanic. They suck because after 30 years of JRPGs you're still,basically playing the same game with the same story arc and the same tropes and stereotypical bad guys.
@@tessaPMproHes right though. If a game has truly outstanding turn based combat like octopath traveler then it will stand out and people who dont normally like that type of combat will appreciate it. But the vast majority of the genre is filled with low tier mediocrity.
@j4dedm4llard47 he's not, many RPGs have outstanding turn-based combat, in fact I would say the majority of them have great turn-based combat since there are so many different variations of turn-based combat. Also I feel the opposite way, if people who don't normally like turn-based combat like a turn-based battle system, that is a red flag and usually indicates that the battle system in question is very shallow, simplistic, and lacking in depth in order to appeal to a wider audience. The worst turn-based battle systems often ARE the ones that appeal to people who don't normally like turn-based combat like Pokemon while some of the best ones are ones that only appeal to people who already like turn-based combat like Final Fantasy V, Chrono Cross, and Xenogears. Hot take but turn-based RPGs should be made for people who already like turn-based combat, trying to make a niche genre appeal to wider audiences is exactly what ruins genres and series, because then they get dumbed down, casualised, and streamlined.
The Mother/Earthbound series is always one that I’ll love. It was a series that easily got better and better with each installment, peaking at 3. They’re games that take their stories seriously while also having fun with them and making them weird as hell along the way with dark endings and undertones. The endings for 2 and 3 are some of my favorite game endings ever. All the characters are so memorable even if it’s just an npc with a one off line. Not to mention the settings, music, enemies are all so unique and wild compared to what you usually expect from jrpgs. For the combat I loooooved how your hp slowly ticks down when getting hit instead of just instantly dropping; allowing you to heal your member before their HP reaches 0 and they’re out of the fight . In the boss fights that mechanic makes you strategize over which party member would hold certain items, and who would heal and who would deal damage each turn; and you have to make these decisions fast enough to not let a party members HP tick down to 0. In a way it pretty organically mixes turn based with real time combat in my opinion. It also made the attacks from enemies that deal massive damage across the whole party never feel unfair. Sorry I’m rambling I don’t talk about these games often haha. I’d highly recommend 2 and 3 and maybe skip out on 1 since it’s easily the most frustrating and barebones. It’s a series where you don’t have to play the earlier games to understand and enjoy the plot. They’re not perfect, they can be a bit grindy and I wish encounters were generally easier to avoid, but I still love them and always will. There’s a reason why there are so many indie “quirky jrpgs with underlying themes of depression, anxiety, death and destruction” like Undertale, OMORI, LISA etc. Mother is what started it all. Would recommend 👍
I am literally here because i was playing Earthbound and i just got bored of the cringe combat gameplay but was still invested in the story and wanted something to keep me playing
I like them but they need more innovation. I really love the mother series because it has fast gameplay, has a rolling health bar mechanic that allows you to heal your teammates before they die, and in mother 3, it has a mechanic that let's you attack but if you press a to the beat you can rack up damage and do 16 hit combos. Great video btw! I actually got this recommended to me despite not watching any of your vids :D
Yea mother was pretty innovative with the combos and the rolling health. Although I would like to give cudos to earthbound because had never seen that b4 that game
Speaking as someone who likes jrpgs, you raise some good points. Menu-based combat by itself can be boring - and random encounters frequently end up feeling like a waste of time. Personally, my favorite jrpg combat engine was in XenoSaga 2. Between boosts and guard breaks, it always has you planning multiple turns ahead, and it's extremely satisfying to max out your boost gauge, then break an enemy's guard and boost in the right party members in the right order to toss them around like a rag doll
The problem with jrpgs as well as games or anime produced in Japan is that the medium doesn't grow with the audience. 30 plus years later and the only innovation is improved graphics.
Some jrpgs aren’t even trying with graphics. It’s already 2023 and I’m still seeing graphics like we are still in 2006. People always reason with “it’s the art direction they went with, it’s not ugly it’s just its style.” art style is different from graphical fidelity of a game. You can still have a good looking graphics with heavily stylized art direction. Some JRPGS are just bad, the way they texture, create polygons in 3D characters, add lights, looks exactly like games they had for the past 16 years. Bayonetta 3 for example.
@@weirdreporttJrpgs has been abandoned at this point The market is completely in favor of mobile nowadays and i found gacha rpg to be what jrpg could be but minus the gambling aspect There is no reason to buy a jrpg now its a pointless genre now when you can just download a rpg with better story graphics ect Look at genshin or tower of fantasy and give me a reason to buy a jrpg.. you would find no reason to do so Gacha games shouldnt be the norm and should stop having casino gambling system but it for sure killed jrpg for good
@@thegamingprozone1941 yeah nier automata ,persona 5 and final fantasy 7 are "exactly the same " 😅 Like saying all platformers are the same ,all 3rd person action games are the same, all fps etc etc
A lot of what made RPGs "classics" back in the day was that when it came to plot, they didn't really have a lot of competition. Excuse plots or at best cutscenes between levels were the norm for most games, so if you wanted to really be drawn into a story while playing a video game, your only options were WRPGs and JRPGs. Both genres tended to be mechanically simple because people who liked them mostly cared about the plot. It wasn't until gen-6 systems that you started to get non-RPGs that rival RPGs for plot, and as games started to develop even more sophisticated stories RPGs (especially older ones) start to look a little bland.
Which explains why SO many JRPG fans really rate the Story as the number 1 most important of the genre and that if a JRPG doesn't have a good story then it's not a good game at all that I come across
Im sick and tired of JRPGs that release with a 60$ price tag with terrible dated graphics and weird animations or mechanics and horrid world designs.... SAO Alicization Lycoris is a prime damn example of this shit. 60$ for abandonware. They stopped updating it and it released so poor it nearly bricked some PC's.
Yknow how 95% of horror movies range from terrible to mediocre? I feel like thats the case for jrpgs. Every once in awhile youll find an octopath traveler or xenoblade chronicles. But mostly the genre is made up of games that don't have a deep enough turned based system to intrigue the player or like the video said they try to do a sort of turn based/real time combat mix where the menuing is rough and the combat is the least fluid thing you've ever experienced. The reason I searched for this video is because my friend got me started playing tales of xillia today and the tutorials were neverending despite all you need to know being... 1. X to attack 2. O to use arts 3. □ to block 4. Hold ZL to move 5. ZR uses a special Yet the amount of text I read in tutorials probably couldve filled a novella. And after all that? The combat is extremely unimpressive. Yet its his favorite game of all time? I dont get it. Literally the only thing to like is the witty writing.
My main issue with JRPGs is that they focus more on telling you a story rather than letting you just simply exist in the world in and of itself, like how WRPGs like Outer Worlds, Fallout, and Skyrim usually do. You're not in those worlds to be spoon-fed a plot, not necessarily, you're simply there to exist in those settings, to adventure out and discover things on your own and piece your own conclusion of how things happened and why. JRPGs are the exact opposite. Everything is pre-defined, the characters, the sequence of events, everything. WRPGs allow you to forge your own story on top of the stories that already exist within the games where JRPGs don't, the personalities of the characters, the decisions they make, most of it is already decided for you and what little control you do have is as impactful to the overall plot and story as a fly landing on a wall, so it feels like you're less like playing a game and more like watching a movie that you occasionally interact with, especially with how too frequent cutscenes can be. The funny thing is, FF1, one of the pioneers of the genre, wasn't like this. While it did have a main story that you had no control over either, the story was incredibly simple and wasn't really the main focus, your journey in the world was. On top of that, FF1 is the only game in the series where you create and name your own characters, almost like they're an extension of you, and all cutscenes and dialogue only ever happened when you willingly interacted with NPCS.
Funny thing what you just say is what I don't like in western RPG. I don't care about making my own story and having decision that influence everything around me. I just want to experience a good story and while you have some jrpg that fail story wise,you do have other that are compelling
I need something in the middle. I find both can teeter to an extreme. I still want a great story, while giving me freedom to do make some choices and impact the world around me. Something like Yakuza Like a Dragon comes to mind.
Some people are just born liking turn-based combat, and some are not. I don't know what I like about them and random encounters, maybe it comes down to wanting to optimize your decisions or not wanting to bother. Because when you try and look deeper, you can find many ways to optimize your resources, usually HP and MP. Also, I love the idea of putting in "work" for a greater reward, when I stumble into a high level area with really tough enemies, I still can leave fulfilled knowing that in my brief time there I gained a stack of money and xp. And what I adore in so many classic jrpgs, like the final fantasies and dragon quests on the nes is the freedom you have in progression, so many times you have to just go and explore the overworld for a way forward. Slowly piecing together what you have to do and then doing it is something many like myself feel is very satisfying. But yeah, they're not for everyone, I can respect those who simply say they don't enjoy jrpgs and state why respectfully, like you, but not those who just start ranting about stupid reasons why they think liking jrpgs is objectively wrong. See some people in this comment section.
Superhot is the best turn based game where you don’t wait but only act like a action game. So if you take the guns out with spells. Now you have a rpg with turn based gameplay and action combat
as someone who likes JRPG you raise some good points but for me playing RPG is not only about the gameplay. the important aspect is about the story, the characters, The setting, The music and epic final boss battles. Its like reading a book or watching a movie where you can immerse yourself in the world.
The problem is the stories are so often garbage. If you are captivated by video game stories, you've probably not read enough books or seen enough movies.
I'd also like to add that traditional for JRPG invisible enemy quirk is stupidly annoying and needed to be dealt with by the end of NES era. It was understandable back in 80s due to hardware constraints, it even looks appropriate to not have visible enemies on the screen when you looking at almost a diagram level of graphics, but for some reason Japanese game developers enjoyed this gimmick so much they continued to implement for three ddecades now. I just don't get it, even in 16-bit FF games it looks weird to walk around empty dungeons while being attacked by hoards of enemies, and in modern titles with high-polygon, hughly textured graphics it looks like a bizzare fever dream.
These are called random encounters. 16-bit FF games didn't have sprites for enemies on the field, usually. So you're stuck with monsters being only in-combat artwork. Starting with FF7 it was just a force of habit. YOU CAN TURN THEM OFF IN MODERN RELEASES. By PS1 era you got games that had enemies always on screen like Grandia, Chrono Trigger & Cross, Tales of Symphonia and later, but Final Fantasy was REALLY late to catch up, what was the first to remove invisible enemies, 12? That's mid PS2 era.
@@KasumiRINA even with the option to disable said encounters it's a weird feature that plenty of devs stick with, you either get a full game as intended but with this particular annoyance (at least for me) or a sort of truncated game with lots of empty areas. Which is a damn shame cause personally whenever I get to play a classic JRPG without random encounters I enjoy it immensely, probably much more than a "traditional" western-style RPG, but I just can't force myself to play even the FF games because of the invisible enemy gimmick.
3:13 I don’t think the characters in jrpgs tend to be bland like, at all. There’s a couple here and there that sacrifice character depth in preference of ‘bigger’ concepts in the story like a fight between gods or something like that, but there’s plenty of jrpgs with very detailed characters and backstories
It depends, some have silent protags with no personality, but when they're made to act like real people, players accuse them of being emo... Can't win them all. Personally I like quirky or snarky heroes but just depressed goth bishonen work as well.
Anybody played resonance of fate? It's probably one of the few JRPGs I really enjoyed. It's completely unconventional from norms of the genre. I think it blends action and turn based combat in a way that actually complements one another. I feel a lot of action JRPGs add action just to appease a casual audience, without much consideration.
There's core misunderstanding with Undertale in that it's more a Bullet Hell that gives you breaks in thr form of a RPG menu. You can heal damage and take breathers before doing the next patterns. It's definitely got RPG roots in it's encounters but the fundamental skills are bullet hell primarily.
I agree with most of your points, except with the turn based one. Many JRPG's stand out because of their combat, particularly classic Final Fantasy, which has arguebly the best turn-based combat ever. Also, JRPG'S nowadays do not have turns anymore, as they tend to be by far more action oriented, including Final Fantasy itself.
I have same exact thoughts and the only thing I can't understand is why so few people have that reaction. It's as if JRPG fans actually like all those flaws you mentioned...
I have to say honestly none of the reasons you gave saved it for me if there is a turn based fighting element, no matter how you jazzed it up or spice it up. I absolutely loathe it. I cannot get into them at all.
You might want to try out a few more action-based JRPGs. The Ys series is always one of my go-to recommendations. Ys VIII is a good starting point. Its focus is on fast-paced combat more like a hack and slash type of game. You might also try Nier: Automata. It's a JRPG with a battle system by Platinum games, which makes it a lot of fun. For turn-based JRPGs, it sounds like your big issue is that you can play a lot of the games basically on autopilot. You might want to give a try to something like Octopath Traveler, where every battle requires you to think strategically without the strategic aspects feeling overwhelming. Alternately, you might enjoy something where position plays a role in turn-based combat, sort of like how certain techs in Chrono Trigger depended on character and enemy positioning in terms of how many enemies you'd hit. The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel uses a pretty interesting position-based system, where you can also strategically exploit the game's mechanics to do things like delay enemy turns.
Problem with jrpgs is this. They are stuck in the NES zone too much. Thexy figured a way to present rpgs on that simple console - the famicom/NES. They had to simplify the gameplay to get it done. But theyy have been stuck in this simplified state ever since. Except Fromsoft, a company that totally revamped the console rpgs idea that plaqued japanese developers ever since. Fromsoft took the classic western pen and paper rpg idea and refined them back into modern video game format. It's not as if western developers didn't realise that idea already years ago too. But Fromsoft is a good turning point where japanese developers wake up and start to get things right. Getting rig of outdated ideas and realising how things should be done.
I don't think all of the credit should go to FromSoft. That is unfair to games like Dragon's Dogma and Final Fantasy. I would even say Xenoblade Chronicles 1 had a hybrid Japanese and Western style. Even now, a bunch of fans can't accept that FFXVI is going more action oriented. It boggles my mind since there are so many other modern turn-based Square Enix JRPGs. I hope developers aren't afraid to lose parts of their audience. I think they are holding back the potential of the genre.
@@Drstrange3000they are gatekeeping a dead genre/combat system that doesnt even take any skill thats my biggest issue with them Like if you wanna gatekeep go gatekeep a real hardcore genre that cant work by being more mainstream friendly
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"Fromsoft took the classic western pen and paper rpg idea and refined them back into modern video game format." lol ever heard of ultima1 from 1980 by lord British???? or the even older pedit5 in 1975?? obbilet from 1977? jrpgs never invented crpgs. the British/Americans were turning dnd into computer games back in the 70s. ultima 1 has more depth then most jrpgs even today! and that game came out years before formsoft decided to jump on the bandwagon in 1986, prior to that Japanese did not even know what rpg was let alone crpg. DND was never popular in japan.
"Because I, out of thousands of players do not find turn based combat interesting, all JRPGs suck. Also, the characters are often bad. Which characters? How? Stupid questions, best to ignore them. And now, I will put Chrono Trigger in the thumbnail, so that people will think this stale take is going to actually going to be something interesting."
@@thegamingarchaeologist don't you think subjective and opinion are often misused nowdays.... Like in my opinion water is orange... It's subjective... Anyone can have opinion (but with proper reasons)
Anime and jrpgs both come from the same place and are rapidly declining in quality. The problem is people are so pathologically loyal to a franchise they won't criticize any wrong moves made by the company. The corporations in no way reciprocates this sentiment. They know they can make an easy dollar off of blind fan worship and will exploit this until it begins to affect their bottom line. Nostalgia goggles have become more masochistic than ever with fans having full blown stockholm syndrome and actually conditioning themselves to like what ever the machine pumps out. Japan has cutthroat business tactics that make the mafia look like a charity organization. If they can get away with selling bile at full retail price they will. The simple answer to the problem is to find a better way to spend your time. Be it through different games or different forms of entertainment all together. Life is too short. Don't decompose in front of a screen hoping for an avaricious sociopath to have a miraculous epiphany and actually put out a half way decent product.
The jrpgs fans are something else they are convinced to be the "elite of gaming" when literally no jrpg in existence take any amount of skill Its just basic action without any mechanical skill and the worst partis even on critical strategy thinking its not anything elite its the most easy genre out here in fact They are chill to play but people need to stop acting like its the best thing gaming has to offer
@@DOGEELLL As a massive jrpg fan I'm going to have to agree. The whole genre is a homogeneous facsimile. Even when they are challenging the remedy is either level grinding or simple strategy adjustments. When done well jrpg's can be enthralling and surreal but most authors and graphic designers are negligent so the flaws and simple format become transparent.
I also couldn't get into Super Nintendo rpgs apart from Chrono Trigger and Sailor Moon Another Story. Have you ever tried Shadow Hearts games? In these games after choosing attack, magic or item you also have to hit the spinning pointer on the ring in the right time, and you also have to keep an eye on sanity points of your characters.
I did, and I actually liked the first Shadow Hearts. I doubt I'll ever play it again, but I did enjoy my time with it. The second one, though, nah, not for me.
I Agree. random encounters, grinding, story not hooking me from the beginning (first hour or two) or losing its hook, and bland turn based combat (dragon quest)are each deal breakers for me. I Might be willing to deal with the last if the other issues aren't there, like persona 4 on lower difficulty. persona 5 has the most fun turn based combat I experienced. Worth noting that some jrpgs have a twist on the traditional turn based combat, like radiant historia and fire emblem, which might make them fun enough. my problem chrono trigger is the lack of direction that leads me to get stuck and look for a walkthrough or just I only wanna focus on progressing the main story and don't care about interacting with everything just to do that.
Jrpgs can tell stories much better and you see the characters grow Take Earthbound for example Other game genres CAN also tell stories but RPGs can implement it much better
The only actual criticism I agree with is how most stories are generic "save the world" ones which drag quite a lot and that's why I love Persona. The series is filled with mystery about what's going on in the world and 99% of questions are answered at the end so the game keeps you interested in the story and you get a "save the world" thing but again it's only at the end so it doesn't feel generic and it perfectly fits with everything that happened before (and even has many plot twists). However I feel that you just don't want to put too much time I to these sort of games cause at the beginning you said you didn't finish Persona 3 and 4 (though story wise and music wise for the last few unique fights you're definitely missing out, in that case go watch the animes if you can) cause they were too slow paced when the pace is in reality pretty normal. This just says that you can't be bothered to put 10s of hours into these types of games (cause that's how long they are) but this isn't a criticism, this is totally fine and 100% understandable and logical, I'm just pointing it out.
I can understand you, jrpgs, especially older ones, are really hard to dive into. Random encounters are really irritating even for a lot of genuine jrpg fans. However I would say that recent titles fixed a lot of problems that older jrpgs had and are easier to jump into. For example, I really enjoyed recent titles on my switch but can’t really jump into snes, ps, ps2 jrpgs because they are hard, repetitive or just simply boring. Like in one of the most known jrpgs on snes called breath of fire you just have your regular sword and no other skills after literally an hour into the game. It’s just bullshit. The only game of snes era that really managed to fight this ideas is chrono trigger. It is really an awesome project, enjoyable even now in 2022.
that is because older jrpgs they don't expect alot action combat just 1 hour in. They are still setting up character, world lore and basic controlls. Ofc this include basic combat controlls but they don't expand upon it until the training wheels go off. The reason for this is that jrpg combat is alot more tactical under the surface than new people give it credit for. Add to it that jrpgs in general are 40+ hours long. Only real exeption is crono trigger who is 20 ish hours but with newgame+ and 13 endings. Long story short, jrpgs have a story they tell and rather than throw you into full combat right away they set things up first. Final fantasy 7 have the first reactor attack but that is part of the cloud story setup and then they dive into midgar lore for a while until the second reactor attack. Instant reactivity works for shorter attention setups but cutjumping from action to action constantly removes the slow detailbuilding part of it. Basicly put to appreachiate the fast parts you must also have slow parts. And this is comming from someone who have full ADHD and I can handle jrpgs just fine. I just don't expect them to throw "do this, this is fun" at me constantly and appreachiate the slow parts.
@@Junpeidaman190 yes that system is pretty great too. I'd take that system over pretty much every turn based system. Except maybe the Mario and Luigi system.
JRPG's much more so, as they're basically shonen anime in the form of video games. Anime in general has much more variety as there are plenty made for other demographics (but not realy that much tbh)
Interesting point of view :) I grew up on western RPG games. The first I really really liked was ... Ishar Series on Amiga. Then it was some kind of a gap (of course i tried eye of beholder and other) and then ... Fallout appeared. Baldur's Gate, Planescape Torment etc. It was huge. I played every such game. Elder Scrolls Morrowind etc. Now I'm almost 40, some time ago i started collecting retro handhelds (because i never had one). Well, I started with ... Chinese retro console - Anbernig RG351p. The good thing is that it gives an access to: jRPG for PSX, PSP, SNES, NES, GBA, GBC etc. Then I bought, Nintendo DSi XL and 3DS XL - this gives an access to huge games library. The problem is that ... there are literally tons of jRPG and to be fair, majority seems a bit generic. I mean, I'm sure there are 5-10 titles that have great story, characters but still i have a feeling that many jRPG as generic ones. In western world it was kind of easier - all of the titles are well known, it's rather easy to distinguish good rpg from bad. jRPGs on the other hand look very similar, with very similar game mechanic. Long time ago jRPG = rpg maker for me, because most of them had pretty same, top down graphic. I hope that i can still find some 2-3 great jRPGs :)
Hi there have u played any of the tales of series yet the have real time combat without the horrendus menu switching Yakuza 7 is also a good example of it
FF6, FF9, FFX, Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, Mother 3, Super Mario RPG. Those are amazing games, and good for JRPG beginners. The PS1 has alot of amazing JRPG's.
Bioware and Black Isle games you grew up with were always in the middle between presentation heavy jRPGs and customization heavy western ones. Try Final Fantasy 7 onwards, Tales of Symphonia and later, all three Grandia games and both Chrono ones. They feel closer to stuff from the West than more obscure Japanese RPGs.
I maybe finished one or two JRPGS. One was Breath of Fire IV. I finished it because there was like two stories that kept me engaged, side activities were fun. Another thing is that when I return to many games I forget where i was or what the current situation is in the game. Western RPG's have a journal and most JRPGS didn't soo your basically confused.
It's not about genre it's about the game. If games are good regardless of it's genre than it is good. There are tons of JRPG which is good and some are suck and that applies to every genre of games
I came after the recent "debacle" over the term "JRPG" on twitter. You can expect more to come eventually. 😂 But everything you've said are my same feelings overall. I feel like the issues mostly occur in JRPG from the Early 360/PS3 generation and before. A lot of these have been solved slowly but surely since the mid-PS4 Era (2017 and after).
I hate turn based combat, unless it's paper mario or maybe a bit of pokemon. Some games add complicated systems like xenoblade, those just turn me off even more.
Thank you! As a general rule I avoid all jrpgs and games with the anime/Manga aesthetic. The genre is of those things I can objectively look at and understand why it has its fans, but its appeal is lost on me. I think, like certain franchises I grew up with, you have to have a baked in attachment to appreciate the games. I have tried to put my bias aside and attempt playing some of what I'm told are the really good ones, and they just couldn't grab my attention.
100% agree. great video. i tried soo many years to like turn based JRPG's, or turn based rpgs in general but the only ones i enjoyed is SMT series, persona, FF X, and chrono trigger. i gave up on them years ago, if i play an rpg these days it would have to be an action rpg or previously said series/games that i mentioned. turn based rpgs are truly outdated imo, zero skill, all luck, and highly repetitive.
They refused to change and that costed both its popularity and its audience Even the fans know its a braindead genre but act like its so "elite gaming tier" when no How could this be elite gaming when anyone could perfect those games they are that easy
How are they "outdated"? Just because you personally don't like an intended gameplay mechanic doesn't make it "outdated". It's fine if you don't like turn-based combat, but many people do. Also saying turn-based combat has "zero skill" right after praising action-based combat is hilariously ironic, action based combat is as mindless and braindead as it gets, just button mashing for people with bad attention spans who don't want to have to think, turn-based combat is strategic and actually makes you think about and plan every move.
@@DOGEELLL"both its popularity and its audience" yes that's why Dragon Quest still remains the most popular and best-selling game series in Japan to this day despite still sticking to turn-based combat, and let's not forget about the fact that Baldur's Gate 3 won GOTY last year despite it also using turn-based combat. Just make up your own alternative reality to fit your biases.
@@tessaPMpro funny how in the same comment you (rightfully) criticise someone for making an extremly reductive statement about turn-based combat and then go on to make an extremly reductive statement about action based combat. As if it's not that both can require different set of skills or either be completely braindead depending on a game.
I get the feelings of the reviewer, but the genre has actually changed. For those who need an example, try Xenoblade Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles 2/ Torna (DLC). Heck, even Ni no Kuni 2 was pleasant, though not revolutionary.
i like that theres alot of cutscenes and little gameplay. especially if they go in depth in the characters like Trails. then the battles have more meaning. also i like not needing to use skill to further the story. so many action games are just bam bam bam bam u cant even stop to breathe. in jrpgs u can go as slow as you want
A few years ago, I would have defended JRPG's with my life. I'm still looking forward to a few coming up, but overall, I think JRPGs need to evolve and innovate. They rarely break tradition and when they do, there is usually an uproar from diehard fans like with FFXVI. I love the party systems and the less drab, serious tone of JRPGs but the story beats and themes are so played out. There are some games that break that mold like with Yakuza Like a Dragon, but it is normally a young swordsman in a medieval fantasy world or sci-fi setting defeating a world ending event or being. I also hate the never-ending exposition and dialogue. It ruins the pace of gameplay. I love story in games but JRPGs, like anime, do more talking than showing. A lot of it is just empty fluff. I also love more linear games but sometimes JRPGs have a habit of giving you an excessive number of tutorials and railroading you for stretches of time. Just let me play! Instead, it bombards you with excessive systems on top of systems and menus to navigate. I think I could actually stomach some recent JRPG's if they didn't look straight from the PS2 era still. Like another comment said, some charge full price for something that looks 20 years old with mechanics less polished. It feels like a scam. I at least want JRPGs to be somewhere on par with Tales of Arise or Dragon Quest XI in terms of production value. I'm also excited for DecaPolice but it looks fairly unique with a more unique style. I just can't stand the typical anime style with PS2 graphics.
Exactly there is no reason to buy any jrpgs nowadays like AAA titles most lf them . Jrpgs are replaced by gacha games yes i know it sound crazy but they are japan already dominate the market with china and make billions of money without taking risks The era of jrpgs is long gone but gacha games are very similar to them they have rpg elements but character are locked behind loot boxes wich is annoying but there is no reason to spend money on jrpgs now You can just emulate them also plus most of them are very similar
do to hardware limitacion of the snes and ps1 turnbase was a standar form in the 90s when more powerful systems arrive xbox360 and ps3 newer rggs were becoming more action in realtime the turnbase system started to became obsolote
Well turn base isn't obsolete. It's just a different style instead of instant action. I like both actions and jrpgs or turn based games for different reasons. Maybe I don't wanna play ONLY action games...I like to think out my decisions, plan, strategies and maybe customize my party.
Exactly lol...look at fallout 3 or 4...oh so engaging with a half empty world....don't get me wrong I like it. It just basically boils down to him not liking jrpgs just like I'm sick of western rpgs because they're mostly open world. Jrpgs are usually MUCH deeper if done right but some are very generic I admit.
Ever tried Final Fantasy IX or X? In terms of gameplay, the random encounters and turn based combat mean they're pretty clunky and outdated, but in terms of story and overall experience, they show some of the best of what the genre has to offer. If you don't like either of those, then classic style JRPGs probably just aren't for you. Especially modern ones which usually don't even try to have interesting stories.
I do disagree a lot with the video, but alright, is how you feel playing them. In any case, let me recommend a JRPG saga that you may like given the points of the video: Tails of. They are action rpgs with AI control at any time on the combat with the other party members, the music is involving and the stories and characters are really good, even if at first sight they may seem cliche and generic they really develop as characters through the journey.
@Jovica Jevtic Monster Hunter, Dragon's Dogma, Let us cling together, Okami, Resonance of Fate (good game but has a very anime story), Trinity: Souls of Zill O'll,Lost Odyssey, Yakuza, Paper Mario, Valkyrie Chronicles and smt 3 and strange journey. I also never stated that there were non-weeb jrpgs i just said that not every jrpg player is a weeaboo.
Yeah, if you aren’t into JRPG battle systems and random battles, then you’re gonna have a bad time. I’ve loved the genre since the early 90s and still play them today, but I’ve come to love the quirks. I see that you showed Xenogears briefly. I love that game, and it has one of my favorite stories in fiction period …… but if you aren’t interested in psychology, existentialism, religion, giant robots, and LONG cut scenes, then I recommend to stay away.
Chill bro jrpg are not that "elite hardcore" like you think it is I like some of them but that elitism is stupid even sport games take more skill and im not even joking bro
Hey man, sorry for the hurtful comments thrown at you. As someone that loves JRPGs, I understand your gripe. I like Octopath's stories and characters. BUT I HATE, HATE, WITH A PASSION THE GRINDY NATURE OF OCTOPATH. It is essentially useless to grind in Octopath because the boss SCALES WITH YOU in every chapter. Get me out. I want to grind and be overpowered to experience the story. But now, all my hours of grinding lead to also harder bosses? If I wanted tough bosses I would play a Souls game or something. Thank you for sharing your views of the topic.
I don't think that a player who tries to play, for the first time, an old JRPG like Chrono Trigger or even Persona 3, will enjoy it nowadays. I love JRPGs, but I grew with them, and even I know that some games like these ones that you mentioned would be a disaster for the taste of newer player (or someone who isn't used to it) on the genre. The static combate of JRPG, that managed to survived, like shin megami series, is a really niche mechanic. I don't think that in this day and age you will find any JRPG's with static combat that will please you, you could try Perona 5 or Shin Megami Tensei V, and if they don't work for you, them i belive none will. Now with the JRPGs with a more dinamic battle, like the Tales series, I agree with you that they used to be clunky, but I think the modern ones are getting better, and are close to the hack n' slash, you could try Final Fantasy VII remake, to see for yourself. Now, of course you could still play a Chrono Cross, or Xenoblade, and change your heart and love it, but I think that it would be hard to happen. In my humble opinion the JRPGs are more about the message than the action, and of course that exists lots of JRPGs with tedious combat, the ones with a nicer and more tactical ones are just big pluses.
I'm surprised this guy only liked Chrono Trigger from SNES and PS1 & 2 and talking how bad JRPG is boring. I do agree in some points he made about battle and story. There are lot of gems from 90s and 2000s you only get it if you were in younger generation at the time to fully appreciate its value. Of course if you go back and play RPGs and trying to get it why some of games are still considered the best(F.I. Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6), you won't get full experience like earlier generations. Our eyes and mind just opened up to more dynamic and exhilarating experiance from games now. Anyway, don't forget what's not was because of what was before.
Honestly I just hate JRPGs for the same reason I hate modern anime. They all follow the EXACT same story tropes. Worst still is that they seem to only appeal to neckbeard weebs who need to fulfill their virgin hero fantasy. Shit is cringe asf.
The worst thing about this situation is that NOBODY enjoys this. Nobody likes random encounters, fluff and fillers. If your lean game is 20 hours then so be it. Don't go around making it 50 hours though this kind of bullshit. P4G was such a wasted potential. Having to grind for ingame days sucked soooo hard. Impossible to beat the boss without running the generated castle and fighting stupid enemies over and over.
They are okay. I’m just getting into them. I’ve only played final fantasy, and I haven’t even finished any of them, but have experience playing them. Right now on my raspberry pi, I added a bunch of J-RPG’s on my favorites list like crono trigger witch I’m playing now, Terranigma, secret of mana, earth bound, illusion of Gaia, soul blazer, Lufia 1&2, Final Fantasy 1.2 &3 , super Mario RPG, can’t wait to play that one lol I started a little bit. Act razor isn’t up my alley so I didn’t put that one on the list.
Hey, you have good points. Did you try FF VII (not the remake)? I am playing it now (Switch version) and I really like the steam-punk atmosphere from those static backgrounds (pre rendered backdrop I guess...). I like exploring the game with no intention to "get to the end of the game asap".
I tried to play the original FFVII out of curiosity (everyone is saying it's a great game) months ago and I didn't like it, JRPG just suck. The closest thing to a JRPG that I love and enjoy is th Pokemon franchise (fuck some of the side games)
Evident to who? Do you know how many JRPGs are released on even a monthly basis? Also, what does RDR2 have to do with anything? If you're going to cheer on something that doesn't actually effect you one way or the other come up with a less retarded comparison. Might as well say Halo was the death knell for Tetris. Like, what?
JRPG's are for mental strategy fans. That like to control the battlefield and not just the character. Shame the genre is only made for niche crowds now. I can't stand the cheesy dialog and characters and lifeless story or over complicated plot. And absolutely no difficutly. So defeats the purpose of thinking and using strategy. FF7 remake is the perfect way of modernizing turn based but still prefer turn based. There simply are too many action games and I like variety. And I miss the days of PS1 where most games were unique
in 20 years people are gonna say they miss the PS5 for the same reasons. history will always repeat itself like this. PS1 had no unique games whatever so stop talking.
@@ASTR0TALKSPHILOSOPHY I agree 80%-90% I think they were unique to him, and In my own opinion unique to me was because they were the first games we were introduced to. Having no 'history' with us therefore being 'unique' after 15-20years of gaming, the history has repeated and there's been a ton more unique games but since they didn't take our gaming virginity we are desensitised Never the less op a but of cuck
You should play Nino Kuni for PlayStation 3 it's a good game it's a very good game it's a jrpg another jrpg Nino Kuni for PlayStation 4 and also like this RPG tales series for PlayStation 4 and Playstation 3 there's a lot of tales this is something different you might like well everybody have a good day
You're just criticizing turn based RPGs as if they're unique to Japan, didnt you olay original Fallout or any Bioware game before Mass Effect? I absolutely can't stand Persona because you read for like five hours and nothing happens, and hero is bland, compare to FF7 or Grandia 2 start.
Games like the Xcom series and Divinity: Original Sin 1 and 2 make turn based combat work because careful positioning and choice of which character does what, which weapon, equipment, or ability you use, and which enemy you prioritize actually matter, and can make the difference between life and death for characters you've come to love. On top of that, a lot of games of this type allow you to fully customize one or even all of the characters you're fielding, from appearance all the way down to exact builds. It turns a basic "I go, you go" system into an intricate web of options, builds, and synergies which challenge the player to find new and creative solutions to overcome the increasing challenge of the game. JRPGs just, as an aggregate, lack that kind of anal-retentive complexity and customizability I've come to love about the RPG genre. I'd even say it's a stretch to call them RPGs when compared to games like Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas, the Baldur's Gate series, Neverwinter Nights, Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2, Icewind Dale, Daggerfall and Morrowind, and the tabletop granddaddy of them all, Dungeons & Dragons. When I play a JRPG, I just feel constrained. I feel railroaded. I feel like the game is telling me a story rather than placing me in a world and making me a part of the story. My character isn't mine. He's just generic JRPG protagonist #47,918,211. His motivation for answering the call to adventure is "I'm the protagonist, therefore away I go". I hated it in Skyrim, and I hate it here. Not every JRPG has every one of these problems, but most of them have enough of these issues to turn me off to the genre. Maybe they're great games, but calling them RPGs is an insult to RPGs. We ought to just call them what they are: narrative-driven turn-based adventure games. There. I fixed the genre.
These would be called "Tactical RPGs, which I agree offer a lot more depth and engaging combat than just standard turn-base gameplay. I also like when games do something with the standard turn base formula like in Mario and Luigi RPGs and Undertale/Earthbound where you have to have control over your dodges and attacks. I think Final Fantasy 7 Remake is one of the best implementations of combining action and turn based combat. I also feel too constrained and railroaded in JRPGs as well. I love story and love linearity, but JRPGs spend too much time stopping the game with either a lengthy tutorial, dialogue and exposition, or repetitive mobs of enemies and menu navigation. Despite having some of these issues, I really loved Yakuza Like a Dragon. It didn't fall into the same tired tropes and when it did, it was very tongue and cheek 4th wall stuff and the main characters imagination.
also disliking a video does the same thing as liking it, so you promoted a video you didnt even watch. it doesnt even matter which one you click now since dislikes are hidden from 99% of people.
Well too bad for SO many JRPG fans the Story HAS to be good or else it's not good like you'd be surprised on how many JRPG fans rate the Story as the most important thing in a JRPG
As someone who's first RPG addiction was the original Fallout I hate JRPGs by and large. Coming from Fallout a role playing game to me meant you could create a character and decide what kind of person they would be, there has to be some degree of freedom. JRPGS are largely linear in most cases with maybe a couple branches in the main story if you are lucky and some optional side quests. If I want something linear I'll pick up an action game FPS or the occasional platformer.
Fallout was probably the first RPG I played and it was also the first game that I was addicted to. I loved the world, the sense of exploration, the freedom of style you could choose to play. Surprisingly, I never got into Buldurs gate, guess I don´t enjoyed the fantasy setting so much as postapo. But currently, I enjoy playing some JRPGS, they have very nice music and it is more of a relaxing experience
Okay, I'll admit the title was a bit click baitey. In my defense, I didn't think it would actually work, at least not to this extent. For those curious, at the time of writing there are 90 dislikes on this video. Of course you wouldn't know this if I didn't tell you since TH-cam decided to hide the dislike bar. They claim it was to prevent smaller channels from being harassed, but speaking as a smaller channel if the dislikes and negative comments hurt me so much I could easily just disable both. No, clearly their main reason for getting rid of the dislike bar was to allow big corporations to save face when they fuck up. Spineless cowards.
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Most of them feel like such a damn chore to play. I wanna feel like I am actually playing, not watching a bunch of cutscenes, and getting to walk around once in a while.
This is really just the tip of the surface with the problems surrounding JRPG's. The cliches are unreal, their methods of story-telling are simple bizarre as well, just to name a few others.
don't force yourself to like them, just play the game you truly like and have fun
Gues ı making that mistake i can’t stand some jrpg’s dialogues (idk why i like watching animes then) but i forcing myself to play them
@@WoowMan-c8c 2 years after, i am here to reply. video games and anime or Japanese movies (or whatever that needs subtitles) were different but both wonderful type of art or media you can really sink yourself in and indulge yourself on their worlds and just forget about real life problems at least for a tiny bit, a simple little distraction and a very good ones at that. i like both, anime and video games (or good shows in general) but ill say im more inclined to video games because i feel i am more "involved" in the world of that particular game (storywise) because im more in "control" and game lets you interact with that world compared to shows, anime, or any type of media in my opinion.
JRPGs suck but not because of the turn based mechanic. They suck because after 30 years of JRPGs you're still,basically playing the same game with the same story arc and the same tropes and stereotypical bad guys.
Cool characters are same, kind hearted characters are same, girls are same all same
Also, the turn based mechanics suck.
@@khatackonly if you suck at them, or have a bad attention span, or both.
@@tessaPMproHes right though. If a game has truly outstanding turn based combat like octopath traveler then it will stand out and people who dont normally like that type of combat will appreciate it. But the vast majority of the genre is filled with low tier mediocrity.
@j4dedm4llard47 he's not, many RPGs have outstanding turn-based combat, in fact I would say the majority of them have great turn-based combat since there are so many different variations of turn-based combat. Also I feel the opposite way, if people who don't normally like turn-based combat like a turn-based battle system, that is a red flag and usually indicates that the battle system in question is very shallow, simplistic, and lacking in depth in order to appeal to a wider audience. The worst turn-based battle systems often ARE the ones that appeal to people who don't normally like turn-based combat like Pokemon while some of the best ones are ones that only appeal to people who already like turn-based combat like Final Fantasy V, Chrono Cross, and Xenogears. Hot take but turn-based RPGs should be made for people who already like turn-based combat, trying to make a niche genre appeal to wider audiences is exactly what ruins genres and series, because then they get dumbed down, casualised, and streamlined.
The Mother/Earthbound series is always one that I’ll love. It was a series that easily got better and better with each installment, peaking at 3. They’re games that take their stories seriously while also having fun with them and making them weird as hell along the way with dark endings and undertones. The endings for 2 and 3 are some of my favorite game endings ever. All the characters are so memorable even if it’s just an npc with a one off line. Not to mention the settings, music, enemies are all so unique and wild compared to what you usually expect from jrpgs. For the combat I loooooved how your hp slowly ticks down when getting hit instead of just instantly dropping; allowing you to heal your member before their HP reaches 0 and they’re out of the fight . In the boss fights that mechanic makes you strategize over which party member would hold certain items, and who would heal and who would deal damage each turn; and you have to make these decisions fast enough to not let a party members HP tick down to 0. In a way it pretty organically mixes turn based with real time combat in my opinion. It also made the attacks from enemies that deal massive damage across the whole party never feel unfair. Sorry I’m rambling I don’t talk about these games often haha. I’d highly recommend 2 and 3 and maybe skip out on 1 since it’s easily the most frustrating and barebones. It’s a series where you don’t have to play the earlier games to understand and enjoy the plot. They’re not perfect, they can be a bit grindy and I wish encounters were generally easier to avoid, but I still love them and always will. There’s a reason why there are so many indie “quirky jrpgs with underlying themes of depression, anxiety, death and destruction” like Undertale, OMORI, LISA etc. Mother is what started it all. Would recommend 👍
How undertale in an JRPG?
I am literally here because i was playing Earthbound and i just got bored of the cringe combat gameplay but was still invested in the story and wanted something to keep me playing
I like them but they need more innovation. I really love the mother series because it has fast gameplay, has a rolling health bar mechanic that allows you to heal your teammates before they die, and in mother 3, it has a mechanic that let's you attack but if you press a to the beat you can rack up damage and do 16 hit combos. Great video btw! I actually got this recommended to me despite not watching any of your vids :D
Yea mother was pretty innovative with the combos and the rolling health. Although I would like to give cudos to earthbound because had never seen that b4 that game
Speaking as someone who likes jrpgs, you raise some good points. Menu-based combat by itself can be boring - and random encounters frequently end up feeling like a waste of time.
Personally, my favorite jrpg combat engine was in XenoSaga 2. Between boosts and guard breaks, it always has you planning multiple turns ahead, and it's extremely satisfying to max out your boost gauge, then break an enemy's guard and boost in the right party members in the right order to toss them around like a rag doll
The problem with jrpgs as well as games or anime produced in Japan is that the medium doesn't grow with the audience. 30 plus years later and the only innovation is improved graphics.
Some jrpgs aren’t even trying with graphics. It’s already 2023 and I’m still seeing graphics like we are still in 2006.
People always reason with “it’s the art direction they went with, it’s not ugly it’s just its style.”
art style is different from graphical fidelity of a game. You can still have a good looking graphics with heavily stylized art direction. Some JRPGS are just bad, the way they texture, create polygons in 3D characters, add lights, looks exactly like games they had for the past 16 years. Bayonetta 3 for example.
@@weirdreporttJrpgs has been abandoned at this point
The market is completely in favor of mobile nowadays and i found gacha rpg to be what jrpg could be but minus the gambling aspect
There is no reason to buy a jrpg now its a pointless genre now when you can just download a rpg with better story graphics ect
Look at genshin or tower of fantasy and give me a reason to buy a jrpg.. you would find no reason to do so
Gacha games shouldnt be the norm and should stop having casino gambling system but it for sure killed jrpg for good
@@DOGEELLLexcept it's not, and you are just hating 😂.
Yea, many of jrpg designs are archaic. The worst part is the diehard fans who're willing to defend those outdated designs.
They are also extremely elitist
I have never found a gaming community that act so elite over one od the easiest genre out here
Same with fighting games
Jrpgs and fighting games are such outdated genres that you play one jrpg, you've played all of em 😂
Tbf i can understand that. As a og fg head, these fgs all play the same now and no innovation except for a couple@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203
@@thegamingprozone1941 yeah nier automata ,persona 5 and final fantasy 7 are "exactly the same " 😅
Like saying all platformers are the same ,all 3rd person action games are the same, all fps etc etc
I don’t typically love JRPGs, but Chrono Trigger is one of the best games I have ever played.
A lot of what made RPGs "classics" back in the day was that when it came to plot, they didn't really have a lot of competition. Excuse plots or at best cutscenes between levels were the norm for most games, so if you wanted to really be drawn into a story while playing a video game, your only options were WRPGs and JRPGs. Both genres tended to be mechanically simple because people who liked them mostly cared about the plot.
It wasn't until gen-6 systems that you started to get non-RPGs that rival RPGs for plot, and as games started to develop even more sophisticated stories RPGs (especially older ones) start to look a little bland.
Which explains why SO many JRPG fans really rate the Story as the number 1 most important of the genre and that if a JRPG doesn't have a good story then it's not a good game at all that I come across
JRPGs don't wear me down with micro transaction and are release in a clean state unlike triple A titles
@@hussaindrees7167 Those are just costumes.
You do know there are lots of aaa titles with none of those problem
You’re capping on that one bro Jrpgs have a shit ton of micro transactions hell most of ‘‘em got day 1 dlc
I would rather play cyberpunk at launch than most jrpgs
Yeah but they're so long you might as well play 8 different games in the same timeframe.
Valkyria Chronicles comes to mind when I think of engaging jrpg
Im sick and tired of JRPGs that release with a 60$ price tag with terrible dated graphics and weird animations or mechanics and horrid world designs....
SAO Alicization Lycoris is a prime damn example of this shit. 60$ for abandonware. They stopped updating it and it released so poor it nearly bricked some PC's.
SAO as in Sword Art Online? Anime based RPGs are never worth $60
Lmao why even play SAO
Yknow how 95% of horror movies range from terrible to mediocre? I feel like thats the case for jrpgs.
Every once in awhile youll find an octopath traveler or xenoblade chronicles. But mostly the genre is made up of games that don't have a deep enough turned based system to intrigue the player or like the video said they try to do a sort of turn based/real time combat mix where the menuing is rough and the combat is the least fluid thing you've ever experienced.
The reason I searched for this video is because my friend got me started playing tales of xillia today and the tutorials were neverending despite all you need to know being...
1. X to attack
2. O to use arts
3. □ to block
4. Hold ZL to move
5. ZR uses a special
Yet the amount of text I read in tutorials probably couldve filled a novella. And after all that? The combat is extremely unimpressive. Yet its his favorite game of all time? I dont get it. Literally the only thing to like is the witty writing.
My main issue with JRPGs is that they focus more on telling you a story rather than letting you just simply exist in the world in and of itself, like how WRPGs like Outer Worlds, Fallout, and Skyrim usually do. You're not in those worlds to be spoon-fed a plot, not necessarily, you're simply there to exist in those settings, to adventure out and discover things on your own and piece your own conclusion of how things happened and why.
JRPGs are the exact opposite. Everything is pre-defined, the characters, the sequence of events, everything. WRPGs allow you to forge your own story on top of the stories that already exist within the games where JRPGs don't, the personalities of the characters, the decisions they make, most of it is already decided for you and what little control you do have is as impactful to the overall plot and story as a fly landing on a wall, so it feels like you're less like playing a game and more like watching a movie that you occasionally interact with, especially with how too frequent cutscenes can be.
The funny thing is, FF1, one of the pioneers of the genre, wasn't like this. While it did have a main story that you had no control over either, the story was incredibly simple and wasn't really the main focus, your journey in the world was. On top of that, FF1 is the only game in the series where you create and name your own characters, almost like they're an extension of you, and all cutscenes and dialogue only ever happened when you willingly interacted with NPCS.
Funny thing what you just say is what I don't like in western RPG.
I don't care about making my own story and having decision that influence everything around me.
I just want to experience a good story and while you have some jrpg that fail story wise,you do have other that are compelling
@@koladearasanmi2005 That's fine, everyone has different preferences, I'm just not a fan of heavy handed storytelling in games.
What i don't like about jrpgs is how every Mc is a stupid self-insert that is just doing the final boss( that is a god) plan
I need something in the middle. I find both can teeter to an extreme. I still want a great story, while giving me freedom to do make some choices and impact the world around me. Something like Yakuza Like a Dragon comes to mind.
@@koladearasanmi2005 read a fucking book
Some people are just born liking turn-based combat, and some are not. I don't know what I like about them and random encounters, maybe it comes down to wanting to optimize your decisions or not wanting to bother. Because when you try and look deeper, you can find many ways to optimize your resources, usually HP and MP. Also, I love the idea of putting in "work" for a greater reward, when I stumble into a high level area with really tough enemies, I still can leave fulfilled knowing that in my brief time there I gained a stack of money and xp. And what I adore in so many classic jrpgs, like the final fantasies and dragon quests on the nes is the freedom you have in progression, so many times you have to just go and explore the overworld for a way forward. Slowly piecing together what you have to do and then doing it is something many like myself feel is very satisfying.
But yeah, they're not for everyone, I can respect those who simply say they don't enjoy jrpgs and state why respectfully, like you, but not those who just start ranting about stupid reasons why they think liking jrpgs is objectively wrong. See some people in this comment section.
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Superhot is the best turn based game where you don’t wait but only act like a action game. So if you take the guns out with spells. Now you have a rpg with turn based gameplay and action combat
as someone who likes JRPG you raise some good points but for me playing RPG is not only about the gameplay. the important aspect is about the story, the characters, The setting, The music and epic final boss battles. Its like reading a book or watching a movie where you can immerse yourself in the world.
The problem is the stories are so often garbage. If you are captivated by video game stories, you've probably not read enough books or seen enough movies.
I'd also like to add that traditional for JRPG invisible enemy quirk is stupidly annoying and needed to be dealt with by the end of NES era. It was understandable back in 80s due to hardware constraints, it even looks appropriate to not have visible enemies on the screen when you looking at almost a diagram level of graphics, but for some reason Japanese game developers enjoyed this gimmick so much they continued to implement for three ddecades now. I just don't get it, even in 16-bit FF games it looks weird to walk around empty dungeons while being attacked by hoards of enemies, and in modern titles with high-polygon, hughly textured graphics it looks like a bizzare fever dream.
Money saving and labor saving mechanic that japanese are used to
These are called random encounters.
16-bit FF games didn't have sprites for enemies on the field, usually. So you're stuck with monsters being only in-combat artwork. Starting with FF7 it was just a force of habit. YOU CAN TURN THEM OFF IN MODERN RELEASES.
By PS1 era you got games that had enemies always on screen like Grandia, Chrono Trigger & Cross, Tales of Symphonia and later, but Final Fantasy was REALLY late to catch up, what was the first to remove invisible enemies, 12? That's mid PS2 era.
@@KasumiRINA even with the option to disable said encounters it's a weird feature that plenty of devs stick with, you either get a full game as intended but with this particular annoyance (at least for me) or a sort of truncated game with lots of empty areas. Which is a damn shame cause personally whenever I get to play a classic JRPG without random encounters I enjoy it immensely, probably much more than a "traditional" western-style RPG, but I just can't force myself to play even the FF games because of the invisible enemy gimmick.
3:13 I don’t think the characters in jrpgs tend to be bland like, at all. There’s a couple here and there that sacrifice character depth in preference of ‘bigger’ concepts in the story like a fight between gods or something like that, but there’s plenty of jrpgs with very detailed characters and backstories
It depends, some have silent protags with no personality, but when they're made to act like real people, players accuse them of being emo... Can't win them all. Personally I like quirky or snarky heroes but just depressed goth bishonen work as well.
Anybody played resonance of fate? It's probably one of the few JRPGs I really enjoyed. It's completely unconventional from norms of the genre. I think it blends action and turn based combat in a way that actually complements one another. I feel a lot of action JRPGs add action just to appease a casual audience, without much consideration.
I prefer western RPGs myself, but slowly trying to edge my way into JRPGs. Though despite my efforts, it has been quite unfruitful.
There's core misunderstanding with Undertale in that it's more a Bullet Hell that gives you breaks in thr form of a RPG menu. You can heal damage and take breathers before doing the next patterns. It's definitely got RPG roots in it's encounters but the fundamental skills are bullet hell primarily.
I agree with most of your points, except with the turn based one. Many JRPG's stand out because of their combat, particularly classic Final Fantasy, which has arguebly the best turn-based combat ever. Also, JRPG'S nowadays do not have turns anymore, as they tend to be by far more action oriented, including Final Fantasy itself.
I have same exact thoughts and the only thing I can't understand is why so few people have that reaction. It's as if JRPG fans actually like all those flaws you mentioned...
for me, i enjoy a relaxing game such as turn-based, tower defense or idle, that i can "play" while i multitask.
I have to say honestly none of the reasons you gave saved it for me if there is a turn based fighting element, no matter how you jazzed it up or spice it up. I absolutely loathe it. I cannot get into them at all.
Jrpgs are boring because the writing is terrible, the combat is usually generic and grindy and they don't do anything new.
No it not
I agree and everything needing to have cutesy elements just takes away from the game's climax.
They're only grindy if you suck at them, if you're actually good then there's no reason to grind. Actual skill issue lmao.
@@AlbertoMonroy-lq2vwwhat is wrong with having cutesy elements? You sound insecure.
You might want to try out a few more action-based JRPGs.
The Ys series is always one of my go-to recommendations. Ys VIII is a good starting point. Its focus is on fast-paced combat more like a hack and slash type of game.
You might also try Nier: Automata. It's a JRPG with a battle system by Platinum games, which makes it a lot of fun.
For turn-based JRPGs, it sounds like your big issue is that you can play a lot of the games basically on autopilot. You might want to give a try to something like Octopath Traveler, where every battle requires you to think strategically without the strategic aspects feeling overwhelming. Alternately, you might enjoy something where position plays a role in turn-based combat, sort of like how certain techs in Chrono Trigger depended on character and enemy positioning in terms of how many enemies you'd hit. The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel uses a pretty interesting position-based system, where you can also strategically exploit the game's mechanics to do things like delay enemy turns.
Nier Automata suck balls, it should be on Porn genre not JRPG.
Unlike anime, "JRPG" is not just a regional handle - it's a genre. If it's not turn-based and not filled with random encounters - then it's not JRPG.
@@IMBREISGAUnier is ruined with that cooomer bait protag it should been a guy instead
Lol what@@thosemerc3113
Problem with jrpgs is this. They are stuck in the NES zone too much. Thexy figured a way to present rpgs on that simple console - the famicom/NES. They had to simplify the gameplay to get it done. But theyy have been stuck in this simplified state ever since. Except Fromsoft, a company that totally revamped the console rpgs idea that plaqued japanese developers ever since. Fromsoft took the classic western pen and paper rpg idea and refined them back into modern video game format. It's not as if western developers didn't realise that idea already years ago too. But Fromsoft is a good turning point where japanese developers wake up and start to get things right. Getting rig of outdated ideas and realising how things should be done.
I don't think all of the credit should go to FromSoft. That is unfair to games like Dragon's Dogma and Final Fantasy. I would even say Xenoblade Chronicles 1 had a hybrid Japanese and Western style. Even now, a bunch of fans can't accept that FFXVI is going more action oriented. It boggles my mind since there are so many other modern turn-based Square Enix JRPGs. I hope developers aren't afraid to lose parts of their audience. I think they are holding back the potential of the genre.
@@Drstrange3000they are gatekeeping a dead genre/combat system that doesnt even take any skill thats my biggest issue with them
Like if you wanna gatekeep go gatekeep a real hardcore genre that cant work by being more mainstream friendly
"Fromsoft took the classic western pen and paper rpg idea and refined them back into modern video game format."
lol ever heard of ultima1 from 1980 by lord British???? or the even older pedit5 in 1975?? obbilet from 1977? jrpgs never invented crpgs. the British/Americans were turning dnd into computer games back in the 70s. ultima 1 has more depth then most jrpgs even today! and that game came out years before formsoft decided to jump on the bandwagon in 1986, prior to that Japanese did not even know what rpg was let alone crpg. DND was never popular in japan.
@@DOGEELLL"doesn't take any skill" coming from the person who thinks action-based combat is better is peak irony.
@@tessaPMprothat DOGELL guy just hating jrpg everywhere 😂
"Because I, out of thousands of players do not find turn based combat interesting, all JRPGs suck. Also, the characters are often bad. Which characters? How? Stupid questions, best to ignore them. And now, I will put Chrono Trigger in the thumbnail, so that people will think this stale take is going to actually going to be something interesting."
Did you miss the part where I fully acknowledged that this was just my subjective opinion, and that it’s perfectly fine if other people enjoy JRPGs?
@@thegamingarchaeologist they clearly did...
@@thegamingarchaeologist don't you think subjective and opinion are often misused nowdays....
Like in my opinion water is orange...
It's subjective...
Anyone can have opinion (but with proper reasons)
@@breakthebad1770 Yeah, not every opinion is legitimate.
I wish pokemon had more exciting battle music the rival music is 10/10 certified bop thou
Anime and jrpgs both come from the same place and are rapidly declining in quality. The problem is people are so pathologically loyal to a franchise they won't criticize any wrong moves made by the company. The corporations in no way reciprocates this sentiment. They know they can make an easy dollar off of blind fan worship and will exploit this until it begins to affect their bottom line. Nostalgia goggles have become more masochistic than ever with fans having full blown stockholm syndrome and actually conditioning themselves to like what ever the machine pumps out. Japan has cutthroat business tactics that make the mafia look like a charity organization. If they can get away with selling bile at full retail price they will. The simple answer to the problem is to find a better way to spend your time. Be it through different games or different forms of entertainment all together. Life is too short. Don't decompose in front of a screen hoping for an avaricious sociopath to have a miraculous epiphany and actually put out a half way decent product.
The jrpgs fans are something else they are convinced to be the "elite of gaming" when literally no jrpg in existence take any amount of skill
Its just basic action without any mechanical skill and the worst partis even on critical strategy thinking its not anything elite its the most easy genre out here in fact
They are chill to play but people need to stop acting like its the best thing gaming has to offer
@@DOGEELLL As a massive jrpg fan I'm going to have to agree. The whole genre is a homogeneous facsimile. Even when they are challenging the remedy is either level grinding or simple strategy adjustments. When done well jrpg's can be enthralling and surreal but most authors and graphic designers are negligent so the flaws and simple format become transparent.
As if companies outside of Japan care less about money lol.
Coming from people who play western game all of this is pretty ironic
@@DOGEELLLstill better than pvp games
Try mainline SMT.
I also couldn't get into Super Nintendo rpgs apart from Chrono Trigger and Sailor Moon Another Story. Have you ever tried Shadow Hearts games? In these games after choosing attack, magic or item you also have to hit the spinning pointer on the ring in the right time, and you also have to keep an eye on sanity points of your characters.
I did, and I actually liked the first Shadow Hearts. I doubt I'll ever play it again, but I did enjoy my time with it. The second one, though, nah, not for me.
I Agree. random encounters, grinding, story not hooking me from the beginning (first hour or two) or losing its hook, and bland turn based combat (dragon quest)are each deal breakers for me. I Might be willing to deal with the last if the other issues aren't there, like persona 4 on lower difficulty. persona 5 has the most fun turn based combat I experienced. Worth noting that some jrpgs have a twist on the traditional turn based combat, like radiant historia and fire emblem, which might make them fun enough. my problem chrono trigger is the lack of direction that leads me to get stuck and look for a walkthrough or just I only wanna focus on progressing the main story and don't care about interacting with everything just to do that.
Jrpgs can tell stories much better and you see the characters grow
Take Earthbound for example
Other game genres CAN also tell stories but RPGs can implement it much better
The only actual criticism I agree with is how most stories are generic "save the world" ones which drag quite a lot and that's why I love Persona. The series is filled with mystery about what's going on in the world and 99% of questions are answered at the end so the game keeps you interested in the story and you get a "save the world" thing but again it's only at the end so it doesn't feel generic and it perfectly fits with everything that happened before (and even has many plot twists).
However I feel that you just don't want to put too much time I to these sort of games cause at the beginning you said you didn't finish Persona 3 and 4 (though story wise and music wise for the last few unique fights you're definitely missing out, in that case go watch the animes if you can) cause they were too slow paced when the pace is in reality pretty normal. This just says that you can't be bothered to put 10s of hours into these types of games (cause that's how long they are) but this isn't a criticism, this is totally fine and 100% understandable and logical, I'm just pointing it out.
I can understand you, jrpgs, especially older ones, are really hard to dive into. Random encounters are really irritating even for a lot of genuine jrpg fans. However I would say that recent titles fixed a lot of problems that older jrpgs had and are easier to jump into. For example, I really enjoyed recent titles on my switch but can’t really jump into snes, ps, ps2 jrpgs because they are hard, repetitive or just simply boring. Like in one of the most known jrpgs on snes called breath of fire you just have your regular sword and no other skills after literally an hour into the game. It’s just bullshit. The only game of snes era that really managed to fight this ideas is chrono trigger. It is really an awesome project, enjoyable even now in 2022.
that is because older jrpgs they don't expect alot action combat just 1 hour in. They are still setting up character, world lore and basic controlls. Ofc this include basic combat controlls but they don't expand upon it until the training wheels go off. The reason for this is that jrpg combat is alot more tactical under the surface than new people give it credit for. Add to it that jrpgs in general are 40+ hours long. Only real exeption is crono trigger who is 20 ish hours but with newgame+ and 13 endings.
Long story short, jrpgs have a story they tell and rather than throw you into full combat right away they set things up first. Final fantasy 7 have the first reactor attack but that is part of the cloud story setup and then they dive into midgar lore for a while until the second reactor attack. Instant reactivity works for shorter attention setups but cutjumping from action to action constantly removes the slow detailbuilding part of it. Basicly put to appreachiate the fast parts you must also have slow parts.
And this is comming from someone who have full ADHD and I can handle jrpgs just fine. I just don't expect them to throw "do this, this is fun" at me constantly and appreachiate the slow parts.
What are your thoughts on FF XII & The Legend of Dragoon?
Mario and Luigi have have the best turn based combat. Prove me wrong. 😌
Smt Press turn >>>
@@Junpeidaman190 yes that system is pretty great too. I'd take that system over pretty much every turn based system. Except maybe the Mario and Luigi system.
They start of show but if you get half way man it's epic
JPG's are like anime. Every 1 in 1,000 will be worth experiencing, and it will still be a trope filled generic ride.
JRPG's much more so, as they're basically shonen anime in the form of video games. Anime in general has much more variety as there are plenty made for other demographics (but not realy that much tbh)
Interesting point of view :)
I grew up on western RPG games. The first I really really liked was ... Ishar Series on Amiga. Then it was some kind of a gap (of course i tried eye of beholder and other) and then ... Fallout appeared. Baldur's Gate, Planescape Torment etc. It was huge. I played every such game. Elder Scrolls Morrowind etc.
Now I'm almost 40, some time ago i started collecting retro handhelds (because i never had one). Well, I started with ... Chinese retro console - Anbernig RG351p. The good thing is that it gives an access to: jRPG for PSX, PSP, SNES, NES, GBA, GBC etc. Then I bought, Nintendo DSi XL and 3DS XL - this gives an access to huge games library.
The problem is that ... there are literally tons of jRPG and to be fair, majority seems a bit generic. I mean, I'm sure there are 5-10 titles that have great story, characters but still i have a feeling that many jRPG as generic ones. In western world it was kind of easier - all of the titles are well known, it's rather easy to distinguish good rpg from bad. jRPGs on the other hand look very similar, with very similar game mechanic. Long time ago jRPG = rpg maker for me, because most of them had pretty same, top down graphic.
I hope that i can still find some 2-3 great jRPGs :)
Hi there have u played any of the tales of series yet the have real time combat without the horrendus menu switching
Yakuza 7 is also a good example of it
Also about easier to tell in case of western rpgs its the same abput jrpgs if you know about the franchises and devs
FF6, FF9, FFX, Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, Mother 3, Super Mario RPG. Those are amazing games, and good for JRPG beginners. The PS1 has alot of amazing JRPG's.
Yeah man and what piss me off the most and how they often they have a god killed by children in the end
Bioware and Black Isle games you grew up with were always in the middle between presentation heavy jRPGs and customization heavy western ones.
Try Final Fantasy 7 onwards, Tales of Symphonia and later, all three Grandia games and both Chrono ones. They feel closer to stuff from the West than more obscure Japanese RPGs.
I maybe finished one or two JRPGS. One was Breath of Fire IV. I finished it because there was like two stories that kept me engaged, side activities were fun.
Another thing is that when I return to many games I forget where i was or what the current situation is in the game.
Western RPG's have a journal and most JRPGS didn't soo your basically confused.
Well basically you gotta write down everything yourself.
@bioboost12 what a bunch of rubbish
It's not about genre it's about the game. If games are good regardless of it's genre than it is good. There are tons of JRPG which is good and some are suck and that applies to every genre of games
I came after the recent "debacle" over the term "JRPG" on twitter. You can expect more to come eventually. 😂
But everything you've said are my same feelings overall. I feel like the issues mostly occur in JRPG from the Early 360/PS3 generation and before. A lot of these have been solved slowly but surely since the mid-PS4 Era (2017 and after).
I hate turn based combat, unless it's paper mario or maybe a bit of pokemon. Some games add complicated systems like xenoblade, those just turn me off even more.
Thank you! As a general rule I avoid all jrpgs and games with the anime/Manga aesthetic. The genre is of those things I can objectively look at and understand why it has its fans, but its appeal is lost on me. I think, like certain franchises I grew up with, you have to have a baked in attachment to appreciate the games. I have tried to put my bias aside and attempt playing some of what I'm told are the really good ones, and they just couldn't grab my attention.
0:59 I really loved Legend of Legaia but look at that little girl's character model! It's pretty funny lol
JRPGs used to not suck, but they sure do now.
100% agree. great video. i tried soo many years to like turn based JRPG's, or turn based rpgs in general but the only ones i enjoyed is SMT series, persona, FF X, and chrono trigger. i gave up on them years ago, if i play an rpg these days it would have to be an action rpg or previously said series/games that i mentioned. turn based rpgs are truly outdated imo, zero skill, all luck, and highly repetitive.
They refused to change and that costed both its popularity and its audience
Even the fans know its a braindead genre but act like its so "elite gaming tier" when no
How could this be elite gaming when anyone could perfect those games they are that easy
How are they "outdated"? Just because you personally don't like an intended gameplay mechanic doesn't make it "outdated". It's fine if you don't like turn-based combat, but many people do. Also saying turn-based combat has "zero skill" right after praising action-based combat is hilariously ironic, action based combat is as mindless and braindead as it gets, just button mashing for people with bad attention spans who don't want to have to think, turn-based combat is strategic and actually makes you think about and plan every move.
@@DOGEELLL"both its popularity and its audience" yes that's why Dragon Quest still remains the most popular and best-selling game series in Japan to this day despite still sticking to turn-based combat, and let's not forget about the fact that Baldur's Gate 3 won GOTY last year despite it also using turn-based combat. Just make up your own alternative reality to fit your biases.
@@tessaPMpro funny how in the same comment you (rightfully) criticise someone for making an extremly reductive statement about turn-based combat and then go on to make an extremly reductive statement about action based combat. As if it's not that both can require different set of skills or either be completely braindead depending on a game.
The best jrpg action hybrid Is the first kingdom hearts
I get the feelings of the reviewer, but the genre has actually changed. For those who need an example, try Xenoblade Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles 2/ Torna (DLC). Heck, even Ni no Kuni 2 was pleasant, though not revolutionary.
And dark souls
@@3sedem Dark souls is far from a jrpg and can barely be considered a wrpg
@@hammerite6418 how? Its a rpg made by Japanese people
@@hammerite6418 it's Origin is Japan, how is it not a Japanese (action) rpg?
@@geoffreychauvin1474 Only thing Japanese about it is the names of people who worked there
i like that theres alot of cutscenes and little gameplay. especially if they go in depth in the characters like Trails. then the battles have more meaning. also i like not needing to use skill to further the story. so many action games are just bam bam bam bam u cant even stop to breathe. in jrpgs u can go as slow as you want
imagine "caring" for characters in a video game. Get a life
@@andyboxish4436 Go and follow your own advice.
@@byletheisner5006 ok person with the word Byle In their name
@@andyboxish4436 Did not realise I was talking to a "special needs".
@@byletheisner5006 Are you one of these people who thinks video games are just as high of an artform as literature?
A few years ago, I would have defended JRPG's with my life. I'm still looking forward to a few coming up, but overall, I think JRPGs need to evolve and innovate. They rarely break tradition and when they do, there is usually an uproar from diehard fans like with FFXVI.
I love the party systems and the less drab, serious tone of JRPGs but the story beats and themes are so played out. There are some games that break that mold like with Yakuza Like a Dragon, but it is normally a young swordsman in a medieval fantasy world or sci-fi setting defeating a world ending event or being.
I also hate the never-ending exposition and dialogue. It ruins the pace of gameplay. I love story in games but JRPGs, like anime, do more talking than showing. A lot of it is just empty fluff. I also love more linear games but sometimes JRPGs have a habit of giving you an excessive number of tutorials and railroading you for stretches of time. Just let me play! Instead, it bombards you with excessive systems on top of systems and menus to navigate.
I think I could actually stomach some recent JRPG's if they didn't look straight from the PS2 era still. Like another comment said, some charge full price for something that looks 20 years old with mechanics less polished. It feels like a scam. I at least want JRPGs to be somewhere on par with Tales of Arise or Dragon Quest XI in terms of production value. I'm also excited for DecaPolice but it looks fairly unique with a more unique style. I just can't stand the typical anime style with PS2 graphics.
Exactly there is no reason to buy any jrpgs nowadays like AAA titles most lf them .
Jrpgs are replaced by gacha games yes i know it sound crazy but they are japan already dominate the market with china and make billions of money without taking risks
The era of jrpgs is long gone but gacha games are very similar to them they have rpg elements but character are locked behind loot boxes wich is annoying but there is no reason to spend money on jrpgs now
You can just emulate them also plus most of them are very similar
I totally get u. Random encounters are annoying af. It kills the fun. Its hard to dive in the older jrpg games. The newer one fixed the problem 😊
1:29 there are plenty of active turn based games lol
Idk man I don't want to say this but it just sounds like you haven't played many which is fine but writing off a whole genre of that is kinda...
JRPGS > CRPGS > WRPGS ... I can't stand that "open world full of nothing" stuff.
Jrpg = exposition dump simulator
Wrpgs at least respects our intelligence dude
then play good open world games
Try Dragon Quest 11. From what your video says, I think you’d really like it. All the characters have personality and unique utility.
do to hardware limitacion of the snes and ps1 turnbase was a standar form in the 90s
when more powerful systems arrive xbox360 and ps3 newer rggs were becoming more action in realtime
the turnbase system started to became obsolote
Well turn base isn't obsolete. It's just a different style instead of instant action. I like both actions and jrpgs or turn based games for different reasons. Maybe I don't wanna play ONLY action games...I like to think out my decisions, plan, strategies and maybe customize my party.
Thanks god this just your opinion,I for once enjoy more jrpg over western RPG because of the same reason you said but on the western side
Exactly lol...look at fallout 3 or 4...oh so engaging with a half empty world....don't get me wrong I like it. It just basically boils down to him not liking jrpgs just like I'm sick of western rpgs because they're mostly open world. Jrpgs are usually MUCH deeper if done right but some are very generic I admit.
Ever tried Final Fantasy IX or X? In terms of gameplay, the random encounters and turn based combat mean they're pretty clunky and outdated, but in terms of story and overall experience, they show some of the best of what the genre has to offer. If you don't like either of those, then classic style JRPGs probably just aren't for you. Especially modern ones which usually don't even try to have interesting stories.
Ni no kuni got me into jrpgs . Before I never touched one
I do disagree a lot with the video, but alright, is how you feel playing them. In any case, let me recommend a JRPG saga that you may like given the points of the video: Tails of. They are action rpgs with AI control at any time on the combat with the other party members, the music is involving and the stories and characters are really good, even if at first sight they may seem cliche and generic they really develop as characters through the journey.
I have to watch this every few months to remind myself that not everyone is a weeb snob. JRPGs suck.
Not everyone who likes JRPG's is a weeb.
@@3sedem fair enough. Apologies.
@@Thorgrim8 Oh nah its cool, I understand as to why people think that.
@Jovica Jevtic Monster Hunter, Dragon's Dogma, Let us cling together, Okami, Resonance of Fate (good game but has a very anime story), Trinity: Souls of Zill O'll,Lost Odyssey, Yakuza, Paper Mario, Valkyrie Chronicles and smt 3 and strange journey. I also never stated that there were non-weeb jrpgs i just said that not every jrpg player is a weeaboo.
Every JRPG has atleast some fragments of cringy anime bullshit in it cause they're made by Japanese people.
Yeah, if you aren’t into JRPG battle systems and random battles, then you’re gonna have a bad time.
I’ve loved the genre since the early 90s and still play them today, but I’ve come to love the quirks.
I see that you showed Xenogears briefly. I love that game, and it has one of my favorite stories in fiction period …… but if you aren’t interested in psychology, existentialism, religion, giant robots, and LONG cut scenes, then I recommend to stay away.
Clickbait title and terrible opinion? Yep, certified smooth brain moment.
Go play your gay fake roleplaying japanese games
Chill bro jrpg are not that "elite hardcore" like you think it is
I like some of them but that elitism is stupid even sport games take more skill and im not even joking bro
i am biased towards rpgs in general. i will love them all
Hey man, sorry for the hurtful comments thrown at you.
As someone that loves JRPGs, I understand your gripe.
I like Octopath's stories and characters. BUT I HATE, HATE, WITH A PASSION THE GRINDY NATURE OF OCTOPATH. It is essentially useless to grind in Octopath because the boss SCALES WITH YOU in every chapter.
Get me out. I want to grind and be overpowered to experience the story. But now, all my hours of grinding lead to also harder bosses? If I wanted tough bosses I would play a Souls game or something.
Thank you for sharing your views of the topic.
And octopath is one of the best ones imagine what other are
@@DOGEELLL Persona 5 is still the best JRPG.
I don't think that a player who tries to play, for the first time, an old JRPG like Chrono Trigger or even Persona 3, will enjoy it nowadays. I love JRPGs, but I grew with them, and even I know that some games like these ones that you mentioned would be a disaster for the taste of newer player (or someone who isn't used to it) on the genre. The static combate of JRPG, that managed to survived, like shin megami series, is a really niche mechanic. I don't think that in this day and age you will find any JRPG's with static combat that will please you, you could try Perona 5 or Shin Megami Tensei V, and if they don't work for you, them i belive none will. Now with the JRPGs with a more dinamic battle, like the Tales series, I agree with you that they used to be clunky, but I think the modern ones are getting better, and are close to the hack n' slash, you could try Final Fantasy VII remake, to see for yourself. Now, of course you could still play a Chrono Cross, or Xenoblade, and change your heart and love it, but I think that it would be hard to happen. In my humble opinion the JRPGs are more about the message than the action, and of course that exists lots of JRPGs with tedious combat, the ones with a nicer and more tactical ones are just big pluses.
I'm surprised this guy only liked Chrono Trigger from SNES and PS1 & 2 and talking how bad JRPG is boring.
I do agree in some points he made about battle and story. There are lot of gems from 90s and 2000s you only get it if you were in younger generation at the time to fully appreciate its value.
Of course if you go back and play RPGs and trying to get it why some of games are still considered the best(F.I. Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6), you won't get full experience like earlier generations.
Our eyes and mind just opened up to more dynamic and exhilarating experiance from games now.
Anyway, don't forget what's not was because of what was before.
Honestly I just hate JRPGs for the same reason I hate modern anime. They all follow the EXACT same story tropes. Worst still is that they seem to only appeal to neckbeard weebs who need to fulfill their virgin hero fantasy. Shit is cringe asf.
The worst thing about this situation is that NOBODY enjoys this. Nobody likes random encounters, fluff and fillers. If your lean game is 20 hours then so be it. Don't go around making it 50 hours though this kind of bullshit.
P4G was such a wasted potential. Having to grind for ingame days sucked soooo hard. Impossible to beat the boss without running the generated castle and fighting stupid enemies over and over.
They are okay. I’m just getting into them. I’ve only played final fantasy, and I haven’t even finished any of them, but have experience playing them. Right now on my raspberry pi, I added a bunch of J-RPG’s on my favorites list like crono trigger witch I’m playing now, Terranigma, secret of mana, earth bound, illusion of Gaia, soul blazer, Lufia 1&2, Final Fantasy 1.2 &3 , super Mario RPG, can’t wait to play that one lol I started a little bit. Act razor isn’t up my alley so I didn’t put that one on the list.
Agree its just a chill genre and not the peak elite of gaming like the fans pretend it is
Hey, you have good points.
Did you try FF VII (not the remake)?
I am playing it now (Switch version) and I really like the steam-punk atmosphere from those static backgrounds (pre rendered backdrop I guess...). I like exploring the game with no intention to "get to the end of the game asap".
I tried to play the original FFVII out of curiosity (everyone is saying it's a great game) months ago and I didn't like it, JRPG just suck. The closest thing to a JRPG that I love and enjoy is th Pokemon franchise (fuck some of the side games)
With each passing year, the decline of JRPGs becomes more evident - not a single one can match RDR2!
Evident to who? Do you know how many JRPGs are released on even a monthly basis? Also, what does RDR2 have to do with anything? If you're going to cheer on something that doesn't actually effect you one way or the other come up with a less retarded comparison. Might as well say Halo was the death knell for Tetris. Like, what?
Try sengoku rance, you'll be surprised
JRPG's are for mental strategy fans. That like to control the battlefield and not just the character. Shame the genre is only made for niche crowds now. I can't stand the cheesy dialog and characters and lifeless story or over complicated plot. And absolutely no difficutly. So defeats the purpose of thinking and using strategy. FF7 remake is the perfect way of modernizing turn based but still prefer turn based. There simply are too many action games and I like variety. And I miss the days of PS1 where most games were unique
in 20 years people are gonna say they miss the PS5 for the same reasons.
history will always repeat itself like this. PS1 had no unique games whatever so stop talking.
@@ASTR0TALKSPHILOSOPHY "PS1 has no unique games" opinion complete rejected
@@mrthms3247 ok i get why you like the ps1 and i think it's still a good console but the ps5 is still good but tbh ps1 is better.
@@ASTR0TALKSPHILOSOPHY I agree 80%-90%
I think they were unique to him, and In my own opinion unique to me was because they were the first games we were introduced to. Having no 'history' with us therefore being 'unique' after 15-20years of gaming, the history has repeated and there's been a ton more unique games but since they didn't take our gaming virginity we are desensitised
Never the less op a but of cuck
@@ASTR0TALKSPHILOSOPHY Silent Hill
I agree. They suck
You should play Nino Kuni for PlayStation 3 it's a good game it's a very good game it's a jrpg another jrpg Nino Kuni for PlayStation 4 and also like this RPG tales series for PlayStation 4 and Playstation 3 there's a lot of tales this is something different you might like well everybody have a good day
You're just criticizing turn based RPGs as if they're unique to Japan, didnt you olay original Fallout or any Bioware game before Mass Effect?
I absolutely can't stand Persona because you read for like five hours and nothing happens, and hero is bland, compare to FF7 or Grandia 2 start.
Omg!! I got baited!! Although I dont really mind and its good to see some different opinion.
Jrpgs are awesome that is all
The king is back
Games like the Xcom series and Divinity: Original Sin 1 and 2 make turn based combat work because careful positioning and choice of which character does what, which weapon, equipment, or ability you use, and which enemy you prioritize actually matter, and can make the difference between life and death for characters you've come to love. On top of that, a lot of games of this type allow you to fully customize one or even all of the characters you're fielding, from appearance all the way down to exact builds. It turns a basic "I go, you go" system into an intricate web of options, builds, and synergies which challenge the player to find new and creative solutions to overcome the increasing challenge of the game.
JRPGs just, as an aggregate, lack that kind of anal-retentive complexity and customizability I've come to love about the RPG genre. I'd even say it's a stretch to call them RPGs when compared to games like Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas, the Baldur's Gate series, Neverwinter Nights, Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2, Icewind Dale, Daggerfall and Morrowind, and the tabletop granddaddy of them all, Dungeons & Dragons. When I play a JRPG, I just feel constrained. I feel railroaded. I feel like the game is telling me a story rather than placing me in a world and making me a part of the story. My character isn't mine. He's just generic JRPG protagonist #47,918,211. His motivation for answering the call to adventure is "I'm the protagonist, therefore away I go". I hated it in Skyrim, and I hate it here.
Not every JRPG has every one of these problems, but most of them have enough of these issues to turn me off to the genre. Maybe they're great games, but calling them RPGs is an insult to RPGs. We ought to just call them what they are: narrative-driven turn-based adventure games. There. I fixed the genre.
These would be called "Tactical RPGs, which I agree offer a lot more depth and engaging combat than just standard turn-base gameplay. I also like when games do something with the standard turn base formula like in Mario and Luigi RPGs and Undertale/Earthbound where you have to have control over your dodges and attacks. I think Final Fantasy 7 Remake is one of the best implementations of combining action and turn based combat.
I also feel too constrained and railroaded in JRPGs as well. I love story and love linearity, but JRPGs spend too much time stopping the game with either a lengthy tutorial, dialogue and exposition, or repetitive mobs of enemies and menu navigation. Despite having some of these issues, I really loved Yakuza Like a Dragon. It didn't fall into the same tired tropes and when it did, it was very tongue and cheek 4th wall stuff and the main characters imagination.
The geek in me will tell you that any rpg starts getting good after the 10th hour
Pokémon and EarthBound and final fantasy are the only ones I like
My man ...rpgs are bad. Well the majority a couple of rpgs by themselves make the genre look like it has potential
Cant decide on whether you like or dont like Turn Based RPGs. Clickbait with no consistent arguments : I
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Is undertale a jrpg 🤔
technically no, but it does draw influence from JRPGs, most noticeably Earthbound.
@@thegamingarchaeologist A lot of influence a little too much everything is the same a jrpg besides from the bullet hell minigame in fights
Try ff12 . This is best modern jprg ever
They should get rid of the stories and focus only on gameplay.
Well too bad for SO many JRPG fans the Story HAS to be good or else it's not good like you'd be surprised on how many JRPG fans rate the Story as the most important thing in a JRPG
No they are not
As someone who's first RPG addiction was the original Fallout I hate JRPGs by and large. Coming from Fallout a role playing game to me meant you could create a character and decide what kind of person they would be, there has to be some degree of freedom.
JRPGS are largely linear in most cases with maybe a couple branches in the main story if you are lucky and some optional side quests.
If I want something linear I'll pick up an action game FPS or the occasional platformer.
Fallout was probably the first RPG I played and it was also the first game that I was addicted to. I loved the world, the sense of exploration, the freedom of style you could choose to play.
Surprisingly, I never got into Buldurs gate, guess I don´t enjoyed the fantasy setting so much as postapo.
But currently, I enjoy playing some JRPGS, they have very nice music and it is more of a relaxing experience
I get it...I do like some games to be linear to play through the story in a more streamlined sense. Fallout 1 and 2 are great...even baldurs gate etc
I like rpg
Agree 100%. They are ALL so slow paced. WAY too text dialogue heavy. Not enough gameplay. See: God Eater 3