I agree 100% with this video. I think the mini is freaking incredible performance wise for what it is. It’s like releasing a compact economy car that can keep up with an entry level lambo but that doesn’t mean that it therefore is a good replacement for a true supercar. It works as a proof of concept for the future. The actual pro silicon machines are going to be bonkers!
@@initialfocus Its like a Tesla Model 3 compared to a Lambo..yeah it may have a similar (maybe a little worse) 0-60 but its not the same. When the pro level Apple Silicon comes out, it'll be like comparing a Tesla Roadster to a Lambo.
@@CWGriswald1492 I agree with yall! Picture the 16" MACBOOK PRO's with M1 or maybe M2/M1X 😍😩 (I'm buying the MacBook Air 16gb first tho) ...wrote this on my MacBook Air (intel... just saying)
@@CWGriswald1492 id go further with this analogy and say that both the lambo and the 9k mac pro arent very practical. practicality and speed are a nice combo, I got a model 3 performance..and a m1 macbook pro :)
100% this!! I wasn’t going to make the video but after picking it up to see what the hype was about and then after 5-6 hours of running tests I was blown away at how hard it is to bog down from a content creators perspective! From a true true pro work perspective it’s easy for the Mac Pro to outpace the mini but 95% don’t need what the pro can do and that’s the message I was trying to convey. Thanks for watching! 🙌🏼
Pretty cool, The only thing that sucks is I would be worried in a few years the Intel Mac’s won’t be supported as much by Apple OR maybe software companies will be making only software that ail work with the Apple processors.
Why is that? People need to understand the limitations of the M1 machine. Right now there are narrow minded people running around thinking its the end all machine, and it comes with its limitations. Especially if you want to edit anything besides HVEC/265, or WITH effects, it chokes up as expected given its specs. I think that is HUGE to show in a comparison
Dude you 100000% earned my sub. You’ve been real with all of your tests you’ve done, cut the bs nobody really cares about or understands and laid it all out truthfully and in a real world perspective. Thanks for the content and I look forward to more videos!
I’m not a computer expert, but from the reviews I have seen, we are witnessing a Disruption Event. Remember when Apple introduced the iPhone. It put a lot of flip phone companies out of business. Intel has been caught flat footed and anyone wanting to purchase a new computer are going to be seeing the M line of Apple chips as setting the benchmarks.
It is an interesting development. Still, from the US CPU companies AMD is ahead with CPU performance and certainly way ahead with GPU performance, but the performance per watt of the M1 is amazing. It will be interesting how easy it will be for Apple to upscale the TDP of their M1 and if the performance stays in line with the raise of that TDP. Well, I look in my crystal ball and see Nvidia coming out with an amazing CPU with integrated GPU early 2022, which will be released with a brand new Windows and a Linux boot loader.
@@xoxo-pp7ru PC is still faster. AMD builds the fastest CPUs. For multitasking even considerably faster. We'll see what happens next year when Apple will introduce the more Pro models.
This is really the data I've been looking for - 39 minutes to export that 4K video in Resolve? My work is 1080p and without all the extras so the MacMini should be killer for my needs. Thanks for the video!!
@@RelicusRoad Pretty sure Resolve is native to M1 now. Problem with Resolve as it pertains to the mini ,is that it seems to be coded to favour GPU power , which is scalable on the Mac Pro. Final Cut seems to be more CPU centric so it would be more to the M1's advantage in a comparison. Its the old adage of not putting the horse before the cart. If you use Resolve, stick with the best GPU. If you use FC, either option will allow you get work done.
@@initialfocus Were you running Davinci Resolve 17.2 during the timed render export? Wondering how well an M1 machine performs in DIT transcoding workflows. Thanks in advance.
@@craighudson4382 There’s speculation that it’s some kind of “secret sauce” included on the M1 SOC or possibly built into the CPU itself. What secret sauce? I think the M1 has a lite version of the Pro’s optional Afterburner module. It’s possible that some version of these components have been on the iPad Pro SOCs. Not GPUs, but Metal accelerators, dig?
FINALLY! A very good review of the new M1 Macs and how they stack up to a MacPro by someone who is an actual video editor. This is precisely the kind of info one really wants to hear about because the guy works on serious projects, not unboxing videos. Those have their place, I suppose, but he hits on something very key that all the others do not: it's not just the total time to output a file, but all the other things that add up when working on a project. When time is money, that is what matters. Very good video!
The real comparison will be next year when pro machines come out. No matter how good the mini or air was gonna be it obviously wasn't ever gonna beat a 9K Pro
You’re the only TH-camr so far that comes out with a video that makes perfect sense why someone would buy and not sell their Mac Pro, over the M1 mini, good job.
If you're struggling for ways to make a machine that costs 10x more 'look' like it costs 10x, the cheap machine wins. People should also realize the Mini is doing all of this with almost no fan noise at all most of the time. Insane.
I 100% agree with that statement! Hopefully my point came across that the Mac Pros purpose is for projects that are much more complex with many layers in a timeline, music, sound etc. it’s why for 95% of people the pro is overkill. The Mac mini is incredibly impressive and most of the tests I did from the perspective of a content creator I agree with you the mini wins but once you go into high end commercial, films etc you need something like the pro in my opinion. Thanks for watching 🙌🏼
@@initialfocus I may be wrong here, but is it that in order to see what the high end video would actually turn out like, when using the mini, would require multiple renders, rather than having a very good idea of the end result in near real time? If that is so, editing a video like this on the mini could take a ridiculous amount of time by comparison? Just one minor filter tweak or change... you have to wait and wait and wait for a render. Where with the pro, you can get a good idea right off the bat? And it's not like every scene is going to have the same filters or same editing applied - it's a creative exercise, you are manipulating at a granular level, treating almost every few frames with attention to detail?
The macpro is a beast on another level the mac mini m1 does not 3ven compare, there are tons of upgrades possible from Tb of storage to custom cards/video cards......
The mac pro has its purlose and the mac mini m1 has its purpose , it is up to the buyer to decide which is best for them. If you do not create anything then all that matters is do you want the new thing.
i dont think he was struggling to make the cheap machine look cheap. It is pretty obvious the M1 mac mini can chew through HVEC/265 footage pretty easily as most reviewers show,, but when you start throwing effects and get in depth with your edit (as most editors do), thats when you start seeing the limitations of the machine. I think you just want to believe its magical, and thats ok, but you will have to wait a little more for a machine like that.
@ Well if you pay $6000+ for a "PC" and spend 8 hours starring at a spinning beach ball then no they really haven't. For 5 years I had to take my work home and do it on my PC because the pieces of shit Mac "PRO's" melted from even the lightest workload.
4:46 "I have an extrem bias in that video , I just spent like $9k on this computer (👉mac pro) a few months ago, I want to see this thing (👉mac mini) struggle and die." 😳🤣
I like the fact the 8gb Mac Mini was used, it shows how amazing these ‘entry’ level machines are... I can’t wait for the next level Macs; and I bet you would still save thousands.
@@narutobroken indeed and with such efficiency Apple has a lot of room to increase cores and/or higher clockspeed for the M1X. The M1 will be like an iPhone chip compared to the M1X.
@@AntonioDal. You cant add cores and think power will scale that ,easy maybe it wont get hotter but apple will have to cramm a beefier neural engine (32 core)because M1 is faster because the NPU .its not a faster CPU like A64FX that doesnt have any coprocesor or accelerator on die.
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Apple makes a M2X or something for the Mac Pro or some kind of Apple SOC hardware acceleration module that plugs in.
@@mendodave remember intel is good on fgpa and accelerator boards. I think Apple wont allow other companies to get money on apple. I said I think because there are a lot of fanboys speaking like they know what apple executive board / engineering team decide.
Editor here and this all checks out. For the level of editing you do, the Mac Pro makes perfect sense. That the Mac Mini M1 even comes in some range and didn't die from everything you threw at it says a lot in a good way. As you put it, it comes down to what are your needs and what works for you. I've edited for TV broadcast and it's a very different game on needs, especially on variables such as motion graphics, 3D animation, video formats such as R3D you have to account for. You can get A LOT done on a Mac M1 (especially with these results) but a Mac Pro exists for a very good reason. tl;dr There's good options for everyone and it comes down to assessing what you need and fit your selection to that.
Pulled trigger and purchased my wife an Air for Christmas. I’m still actively devouring every video on the new macs I can find. I’m more concerned about Big Sur compatibility than I am the silicon.
@@bgimusic why is anyone running less than 16GB RAM on a Mac? My late 2009 Mini has 8GB, because that is the max it can run. My 2012 i7 Mini and MBP both have 16GB.They are stuck at 16GB, because that is the max for those ones. All of them have SSDs instead of HDs. If I buy a current M1 box, it will be 16GB and at least a 512GB SSD.
Erm... $699 vs $9000 - It’s awesome that you love the Mac Pro and it is powerful but if anything, this just further makes the case against buying a Mac Pro now.
I bought 16" Pro - love it every single minute. I also bought M1 pro 13 for my wife. Guess what ? Both are great machines, still prefer mine. (Davinci/lightroom). Maybe it is only me, but 13 pro is kind of tiny for me (even compared to older 13 air). Battery rocks on M1 macbook, if there is one thing missing on my 16 pro.
These are the comments I love reading! It’s exactly my mindset as well. I’m so happy to see this new Apple tech and everyone who gets the new machines loving them and doing amazing things. But also being confident in your own purchase and knowing your machine also kicks ass and helps you create amazing things. That’s a winning mindset my friend. Thanks for watching, means a ton! 🙌🏼
Would have been a more fair test to use the 16gb Mini. I know the 8gb model showcases the strength of the unified memory architecture, but comparing an 8gig machine to the MacPro is just slightly biased, even if the Mini did perform well.
still using a 2008 mac pro rn lol. That is one thing when you buy apple they support everything for 7 years at least and after that all the third parties will support that last installable os for at least a few years.... they are all decade machines. I'm probably goign to get a mac mini in a year or so to replace this mac pro and plan to have it probably into 2030, I just need it for school work and to run pro tools
Alain Dion nice man! No probs with mine. Only thing I did was just buy new ram a year ago, the cards went bad. Was $50 off eBay for 32 gb set. I use it for med school mostly now, still snappy and quick. Only thing that has been annoying for me is apps and certain programs not supporting the OS anymore, but old versions still work fine. When I graduate plan to get a real nice mini prob used, the pro is overkill.
Just the fact that these two machines are being compared at all is a buge win for Apple. I love my 3900X machine I built but I won’t lie when I think these M1 machines are just crazy. Power for price these are by far the best deal, and even more so for regular users.
Great video. This is just the beginning. The M1 is an absolute game changer. Who would have ever thought there would be a Mac mini vs Mac Pro video ever created. Unreal!!
What i don’t understand is TH-cam editors’ obsession with working without proxies. Making proxies doesn’t take that much time and ultimately is a more stable way to work in a professional workflow. If making proxies makes the 9k dollar Mac Pro the same as the 700 dollar m1 Mac mini, it absolutely makes no sense to get the Mac Pro. To me, not using proxies is a fictional “show off” workflow that isn’t tied to the reality of how people are working in the real world anyway.
The fact that the M1 Macbook Air and Mac Mini are this powerful basically kills the "pro-sumer" market as far as I can see. If 99% of youtubers and basically all film students can edit 4k footage at full resolution playback on fanless machines that cost >£1000, the only reason to buy anything more expensive would be for the real pro market. It'll be interesting to see what the return of that real delineation does to Apple's lineup when Pro means actually professional and not just "better and premium".
Appreciate the real world tests. I’m a 2D animator. Usually frame by frame in photoshop. It’s nice to see the Mac mini handle quite a bit. My goal is to get a Mac mini to use with my iPad for animating. This video gives me hope! Thanks!
Windows and PC hardware guys are going to cry even more about Apple and the machines 😂 Intel dead with AMD and now Silicon is going to kill them both further, one day, in the future. Maybe :p We will see! :)
@@rotojo2 dun be a fanboi u been smoking too much weed. Mac pro is using old hardware like all in their line up. You can pick your own cpu on a gaming pc and if you think you can game on that m1 chip think again.
Xeon processors are meant for servers. They have very low clock speeds and I don't think they have hyperthreading or Hz boost. Huge core counts don't always mean it's a monster CPU. Mac's chips don't have any boost either. The M1 specs aren't special at all besides the 1700+ single-core score that is only relevant when running fully native. Running Rosetta it's like 1250ish. I like Apple, but I have never been a fan of them overpricing and limiting upgradability.
@@JamarConley Apple will most definitely make a Mac Pro with apple silicon. That will be for servers. And adding basically 2 more cores from an iPhone chip and making it the most powerful MacBook in its weight class is pretty impressive. And with only 4 high performance cores is the multi-core score really impressive. Is there a 4 core CPU that is as powerful as the M1? And Rosetta 2 is the best emulation ever, running the older parallels for windows is like 1250ish. Did you like apple at the time when they sold an intel MacBook Air for the same price a year ago?
As a video editor, this is easily the most real world comparison I’ve seen. One thing I would mention, is that if you’re using adobe creative cloud, AE is still struggling somewhat with the M1 chip and there’s still no sign of a native version yet. That’s a huge contention if you’re a motion designer. I’m sure it will come, but who knows. Adobe is notoriously bad with optimization.
I like how the Mac mini only falls down multitasking here because you could literally just buy two (or eight) when you want to do more at once, which is funny to think
Hence the different between "fellow content creators on YT" and real editing work. Editing your YT videos even in 4K does not equate "pro" work and i'm not even talking After Effects, 3D rendering, etc.
But of course it's "unfair" to pair the mac mini against the Mac Pro but that's all we have to benchmark with right now :) next year with the M1X chip or whatever...and it's not even a fight because they are on the same team and the Mac Pro will also end up having a Mx version of this M1 and things are going to get mental.
Think of this...what would happen if you put two of these chips in parallel? In computing history, many computers were based on Intel Xeon which had 2 or 4 CPU motherboard setups. I am willing to bet that new Mac Pros will have the ability to have multiple chips on one board. Can you imagine if they had not until now released Coffee Can Pro? LOL but saved the design for this moment? Where they had a triangle configuration in the center and THREE M2 chips with that really amazing cooling concept? Great video BTW! Very balanced and logical approach to what really matters. Real world testing and not just benchmarks! Cheers!
A lot of it comes down to two things: 1) His Rode NTG4+ mic, perhaps combined with an external audio recorder. 2) Good acoustics in the room he is in. He lists all his gear in the video description but a good mic is really the key. You'll never end up with good audio if you don't have a good mic. If you want to comparison shop then the Sennheiser MKE 600 is another great mic for a little less money. Check TH-cam comparisons to see which you prefer.
90% mic placement in mostly "dead" room 10% technique, mixing, mastering, etc Quick dirty plugin settings: Literally most EQ's - roll off everything below 75hz Literally most compressors - Ratio 4:1, attack 0 to 1ms, release 120ms, knee 2db, threshold set so quietest speech barely triggers gain reduction. Literally most limiters - put on master fader/track, set threshold to -1db, bring up VO track to BARELY kiss the limiter threshold. Again, these are extremely quick and dirty settings. You can't boil down over a hundred years or audio theory into one comment, but this will bring most TH-camrs 90% there or at least vastly improve their currently terrible audio. th-cam.com/video/76c8pH2XsnY/w-d-xo.html
I now have the new M1 MM, My wife wanted me to sell my 2011 Mac Pro, I asked her if she was gonna buy me a space heater, she said no, so I smiled back at her & said no as well, thank you very much!
Great video. Just bought the Base M1 mini because of all the great reviews. Just gonna use it for video editing and music. Been a Windows and iPad user up till now. Will let you know in 6 months what I think.
"I want to see this thing struggle and die!". I would feel the same if I just spent 9K on a computer and something new just came out for over 9 times less.
Nice breakdown, Michael! Love that you threw some real world edits at both machines and gave more of an overview than an in-depth scientific analysis. Excited to look at updating my 2013 Mac Pro and 2013 rMBPro with new Apple silicon versions in 2021!
Your Mac Pro is definitely going to last a decade for you. Any G5/MacPro I've ever owned has lasted about 8-10 years, and really never missed a beat with any OS Updates or Video Editing Sofware changes. And don't forget, that you've got a TON of headroom to upgrade that thing over the years, and you'll probably still be well ahead of the curve even years down the road. But I'm seriously impressed with the M1 MacMini. I have a 2017 MacBook Pro, and I really just leave it plugged into my monitors and never unplug it. I'm not much of a coffee house or airport editor...I really don't need the screen, the battery, the trackpad, touchbar, or the keyboard...It has 16GB of RAM, and I'm half thinking of trading it in on the MacMini and doing it while Apple will still pay for my trade in. Thanks for making this video...I do corporate video production, and I didn't really want to see geekbench numbers...just wanted to see how timelines and real world usage would work, and this was perfect! Thanks!
This was a good, unbiased review. I have an important question though: did you use DaVinci Resolve 17.1 Beta 1, which is a universal binary with direct M1 support, or the normal Intel-only version which would have been running under Rosetta? If these results were under Rosetta emulation, that just makes the Mini's performance under high load even more impressive.
Thanks for this. I love that you stick to real world application rather than numbers. Genuinely amazed at what I’m hearing about M1 machines and very much looking forward to what they yield over the next year or so. My MBP is about 4 years into the 6 year life cycle I like to get from my machines, so I’m looking on with considerable interest at the moment. Cheers!
Last year's "Prom Queen" always hates the new one. Especially when she is more petite and prettier. Mac Pro has INTEL = hot, slow, and expensive. But it's ok, we'll still clap when you find the corner conditions where the grandma machine still wins. Mac Mini 16/512 INCOMING!!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂 idc of this is a “hater” comment. This is my favorite comment of all time. I legit spat out my drink when I read the first line. Thank you for that and I completely understand your perspective 🙌🏼👍🏼
@@initialfocus Not a hater. You made your bias perfectly clear. You WANTED to see the Mini choke, crash, and burn. Just a comment on all the INTEL apologists still trying to justify their hot, relatively slow, and EXPENSIVE systems. M1 is revolutionary. Consider me...Paul Revere.
Bahahahhahaha! Yea let’s be clear each individual task is actually likely faster on the Mac mini. It’s the multitasking where it falls. Frankly two mac minis and monitors would be cheaper then the Mac Pro for multitasking or you know 200$ more for a 16gb Mac mini. The lack of gpu power is a problem. Apple is going to have to pull it off. They have thermal and power headroom just need to see if their gpu will scale up. They need to double or triple their gpu power in 1-1.5 years. Ram shouldn’t be a problem frankly. I expect 32-64gb of ram systems in a year.
I have a 12 Core Mac Pro 2013 and yesterday I bought the base Mac mini. I'm a final cut user and hope my projects will speed up with the purchase. I was saving for a Mac Pro 2019, but if the mini is good enough for the next 12-24 month and I can get the new Mac Pro with Apple Silicon I believe will be better for me ..
Ive just ordered a mac mini M116GB and gonna directly compare its performance vs my 2018 i7 with 32GB Ram and blackmagic eGPU. If it is even comparable performance for just 4k edits in final cut, then i can save a whole lot of desk space and go with just one mini and no eGPU. Great video. Now subscribed
Try adding anything to a MAC M1 silicon device, try servicing it? Try upgrading it? No doubt when it goes wrong you'll have to replace "the motherboard" for a suitably high price
First true and honest look at the mini I've seen. Not an Apple fan but the reviews that came out first were too good to be true. You put a spotlight on all those people in this comparison. Good work.
Did you use DaVinci Resolve version 17.1 which was optimized for the M1 chip? Separately, what I’ve read elsewhere is that if you’re doing anything with 8K video, you need 16GB of RAM. Can’t wait to get my own machine to test!
I edit 8k red raw on the m1 16gb and it’s absolutely nothing like this. It’s more like the Mac Pro. I’m not sure what his settings are but the performance I’m getting isn’t even close
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Question: was your Resolve the optimized 17 beta version? Because there's an Apple Silicone Resolve already
Thanks so much for making this video, it's exactly what I was looking for in terms of a real world comparison. I finally have to retire my early 2008 Mac Pro, which has been my every day work computer since I got it, and now I'm convinced that the M1 options will be more than capable. I don't do high end video work, but the typical design studio mix pf Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign (typically all open at the same time) with some 3D modelling/rendering and video thrown in. I currently have an animation project that has over 1,500 layers in Illustrator and Animate, and that just chokes the old workhorse to a standstill, so here's to actually wrapping that project up!
To me the litmus test is this time next year when Apple is rolling out actually powerful versions of ARM in something like an iMac. Right now these are just the bare entry computers. What happens when Apple has mid level versions out? I think ultimately the issue is that the Mac Pro isn't even a year old and we are seeing such a massive change. The Mac Pro is going to show it's age very fast....give it a year or two. With that if you are recouping the money multiple times over it's not that big of a deal but I am sure given the current economic situation of the world that not everyone is hand over fist in work.
I bought the 16gb model 1tb for 1080p video editing. It serves all my needs and then some. In the 1990s you would be working on a SGI Indigo2 with Max Impact graphics and that model would cost more than a luxury car. Amazing how far tech has moved.
It's not like existing systems are obsolete! God damn what is it with you people? Your daughter's probably only using the internet and writing the odd e-mail or using social media.
@@FlyboyHelosim Media hype without real world benchmarks for everyday use. News acts like m1 is the second coming of christ. User can't really gauge if it is true for them. So they buy into the hype.
@@falljosh I agree and it's ironic as most Mac users are just casual content consumers who would be perfectly fine with a 10+ year old computer. These entitled brats insist on the newest everything, all the time, without ever knowing what it is they're doing. Computers for years have been fast and powerful enough that opening almost any program is 'instant' and you can't get any faster than that. Yet these imbeciles still want more.
@@bgimusic Just trying to educate, my dude. I've seen a lot of people get ripped off buying expensive Apple products when they could have bought something with more longevity at less than half the price.
I agreed with everything in this video on all points except his statement that he will have it for a decade,,, actually he will because it will be unused sitting in the closet. :)
I don’t see any reason why he can’t have it for a decade. There’s a lot of room for upgrades with that machine, so he can grow with it as he needs better stuff. I’m going to get 9 years out of my Mini, and it only got an extra HD and a Ram upgrade.
Finally, found someone to summarize my caution and issues. The classic "single clip fallacy" was driving me nuts. I make feature films and do a ton of post production. There is a reason why we look at the amount of vram graphic cards have and the amount of memory needed for RAM intensive programs. I agree with the sentiments that the Mac Mini is amazing for what it is and the price but there is still an obvious usage case it is not well suited for.
Hey great review. It felt fair and honest. I agree with you about not focusing on bench marks. Even export times isn't an end all be all factor in what machine to buy. Rather what does it feel like to use, how well does the footage actually play back. Cheers, thanks for the insight.
This is what I got out of this video... Get two minis! Switch over to the other mac mini when you are rendering. Only if you truly need them now. Or wait for the more pro computers coming soon. He does make a good point about the Mac Pro being swappable, might see a quad-core m1 card to add! (Just dreaming out loud)
4k and 8k will do in most viewers because they phone/desktop and "Browser" with their average internet access will die at those resolutions. So the you should check you audience range that most will watch 1080 and 1080/60 and 2k vs 4k and 8k. Which also require you display to support such resolutions.
It’s actually kind of evil that Apple sold the Mac Pro last year at the prices they did knowing full well this was in the pipeline. Not trying to be a jerk, but you could buy a new Mac mini every year for 9 years. (Also - really not fair to compare a Mac mini with 8gb to the Mac pro with 160 GB of ram. I’m willing to bet that’s why the mini choked on the TH-cam 8K test.)
I think evil is a bit much? Apple had to put something out, and they weren't about to make Mac Pro the first Apple Silicon Mac. I'm sure their plan for the trash can Mac Pro was that it would be a beloved machine for a decade to come, much like the prior model, but that didn't pan out. That was pretty apparent year one, in 2013. So it had been a full six years since Apple had updated their Pro machine, and they were facing criticism that they had given up on the Mac.
Haha thanks I think? 😂 love Apple products. The hardware and software optimizations are always next level. But I also love android for certain tasks and I’ve enjoyed building my fair share of custom PCs. Tech in general is exciting!
@@baybae92 I fully understand the backstory on the Mac Pros, but they released a machine that can go up $60k which started at $6k. While they were on stage announcing it a WWDC last year, the people presenting knew that a $700 machine released the following year would trounce the $6K entry level machine. Plus come on, selling a monitor stand for $999 is pretty damn evil (more than the m1 that trounces the base $6K machine). I think if they had just skipped the Mac Pro and just come out with the m1 macs instead everyone would have been like ohhhh - this is what you’ve been working on all this time.
Rich people: **buys $5000 Mac Pro** Apple: *releases M1 macs* Normal people: **buys M1 macs** Normal people when questioned why they bought it: to flex on the rich using cheap steff
I agree 100% with this video. I think the mini is freaking incredible performance wise for what it is. It’s like releasing a compact economy car that can keep up with an entry level lambo but that doesn’t mean that it therefore is a good replacement for a true supercar. It works as a proof of concept for the future. The actual pro silicon machines are going to be bonkers!
This is a fantastic metaphor and makes me so happy the message of the video was clear 🙌🏼
M1 Mac Mini = Tesla Model 3?
@@initialfocus Its like a Tesla Model 3 compared to a Lambo..yeah it may have a similar (maybe a little worse) 0-60 but its not the same. When the pro level Apple Silicon comes out, it'll be like comparing a Tesla Roadster to a Lambo.
@@CWGriswald1492 I agree with yall! Picture the 16" MACBOOK PRO's with M1 or maybe M2/M1X 😍😩 (I'm buying the MacBook Air 16gb first tho) ...wrote this on my MacBook Air (intel... just saying)
@@CWGriswald1492 id go further with this analogy and say that both the lambo and the 9k mac pro arent very practical. practicality and speed are a nice combo, I got a model 3 performance..and a m1 macbook pro :)
The fact you’re even making this video at all speaks volumes.
100% this!! I wasn’t going to make the video but after picking it up to see what the hype was about and then after 5-6 hours of running tests I was blown away at how hard it is to bog down from a content creators perspective! From a true true pro work perspective it’s easy for the Mac Pro to outpace the mini but 95% don’t need what the pro can do and that’s the message I was trying to convey. Thanks for watching! 🙌🏼
Pretty cool, The only thing that sucks is I would be worried in a few years the Intel Mac’s won’t be supported as much by Apple OR maybe software companies will be making only software that ail work with the Apple processors.
@@initialfocus Clear as Diamond bro!!
Why is that? People need to understand the limitations of the M1 machine. Right now there are narrow minded people running around thinking its the end all machine, and it comes with its limitations. Especially if you want to edit anything besides HVEC/265, or WITH effects, it chokes up as expected given its specs. I think that is HUGE to show in a comparison
@@Miguel_Molina Yes, but the fact that it being an Entry level machine, can do such stuffs is Bonkers!!
You could get the M1 mac mini, OR some wheels for that mac pro.. unbelievable
Yes $700 for a set of wheels , bargain NOT
@@MrTarmonbarry ”wheels”... that in no way belong on a computer 🙄
@@williamroark unless it's a server rack in a room that's being refurbished.
How much for the wheels to the Mac mini? ;)
Dude you 100000% earned my sub. You’ve been real with all of your tests you’ve done, cut the bs nobody really cares about or understands and laid it all out truthfully and in a real world perspective. Thanks for the content and I look forward to more videos!
2:42 I LOVE that you mentioned the “single clip fallacy”. Exactly what I was thinking watching the other reviews! Great content. Subbed!
I’m not a computer expert, but from the reviews I have seen, we are witnessing a Disruption Event. Remember when Apple introduced the iPhone. It put a lot of flip phone companies out of business. Intel has been caught flat footed and anyone wanting to purchase a new computer are going to be seeing the M line of Apple chips as setting the benchmarks.
It is an interesting development. Still, from the US CPU companies AMD is ahead with CPU performance and certainly way ahead with GPU performance, but the performance per watt of the M1 is amazing. It will be interesting how easy it will be for Apple to upscale the TDP of their M1 and if the performance stays in line with the raise of that TDP. Well, I look in my crystal ball and see Nvidia coming out with an amazing CPU with integrated GPU early 2022, which will be released with a brand new Windows and a Linux boot loader.
it will be the nvidia shieldX
@@luxembourger apple should make CPUs for pcs cause I want that performance
@@xoxo-pp7ru PC is still faster. AMD builds the fastest CPUs. For multitasking even considerably faster. We'll see what happens next year when Apple will introduce the more Pro models.
Agreed.
This is really the data I've been looking for - 39 minutes to export that 4K video in Resolve? My work is 1080p and without all the extras so the MacMini should be killer for my needs. Thanks for the video!!
Hell yeah! So happy I could provide good info. I love my pro but damn the mini is seriously impressive! You’ll love it!
Also it was running on Rosseta. It should be able to beat it once optimized for Apple Silicon.
@@RelicusRoad Pretty sure Resolve is native to M1 now. Problem with Resolve as it pertains to the mini ,is that it seems to be coded to favour GPU power , which is scalable on the Mac Pro. Final Cut seems to be more CPU centric so it would be more to the M1's advantage in a comparison. Its the old adage of not putting the horse before the cart. If you use Resolve, stick with the best GPU. If you use FC, either option will allow you get work done.
@@initialfocus Were you running Davinci Resolve 17.2 during the timed render export?
Wondering how well an M1 machine performs in DIT transcoding workflows.
Thanks in advance.
@@craighudson4382 There’s speculation that it’s some kind of “secret sauce” included on the M1 SOC or possibly built into the CPU itself. What secret sauce? I think the M1 has a lite version of the Pro’s optional Afterburner module. It’s possible that some version of these components have been on the iPad Pro SOCs. Not GPUs, but Metal accelerators, dig?
FINALLY! A very good review of the new M1 Macs and how they stack up to a MacPro by someone who is an actual video editor. This is precisely the kind of info one really wants to hear about because the guy works on serious projects, not unboxing videos. Those have their place, I suppose, but he hits on something very key that all the others do not: it's not just the total time to output a file, but all the other things that add up when working on a project. When time is money, that is what matters. Very good video!
Totally AGREED!!!!!!!!!!
The real comparison will be next year when pro machines come out. No matter how good the mini or air was gonna be it obviously wasn't ever gonna beat a 9K Pro
He could have the Mini running one project and bought a M1 MB Air for others.
The new Mac Mini is the Mac Pro for the "rest of us."
You’re the only TH-camr so far that comes out with a video that makes perfect sense why someone would buy and not sell their Mac Pro, over the M1 mini, good job.
Glad someone gets the point of the video 😂🙌🏼
If you're struggling for ways to make a machine that costs 10x more 'look' like it costs 10x, the cheap machine wins.
People should also realize the Mini is doing all of this with almost no fan noise at all most of the time. Insane.
I 100% agree with that statement! Hopefully my point came across that the Mac Pros purpose is for projects that are much more complex with many layers in a timeline, music, sound etc. it’s why for 95% of people the pro is overkill. The Mac mini is incredibly impressive and most of the tests I did from the perspective of a content creator I agree with you the mini wins but once you go into high end commercial, films etc you need something like the pro in my opinion. Thanks for watching 🙌🏼
@@initialfocus I may be wrong here, but is it that in order to see what the high end video would actually turn out like, when using the mini, would require multiple renders, rather than having a very good idea of the end result in near real time? If that is so, editing a video like this on the mini could take a ridiculous amount of time by comparison?
Just one minor filter tweak or change... you have to wait and wait and wait for a render. Where with the pro, you can get a good idea right off the bat?
And it's not like every scene is going to have the same filters or same editing applied - it's a creative exercise, you are manipulating at a granular level, treating almost every few frames with attention to detail?
The macpro is a beast on another level the mac mini m1 does not 3ven compare, there are tons of upgrades possible from Tb of storage to custom cards/video cards......
The mac pro has its purlose and the mac mini m1 has its purpose , it is up to the buyer to decide which is best for them. If you do not create anything then all that matters is do you want the new thing.
i dont think he was struggling to make the cheap machine look cheap. It is pretty obvious the M1 mac mini can chew through HVEC/265 footage pretty easily as most reviewers show,, but when you start throwing effects and get in depth with your edit (as most editors do), thats when you start seeing the limitations of the machine. I think you just want to believe its magical, and thats ok, but you will have to wait a little more for a machine like that.
This video convinced me to buy the mac mini instead of the $9K mac pro .. I almost did .
Almost, but you kept to the Mac Pro on your Christmas shopping list. ;)
Then you didn’t really need the Mac Pro in the first place.
@@MarcosElMalo2 no one should buy an intel Mac Pro at this point, rather wait for Apple to update it
Not expendable.
@@thabomboneni2994 When forced to buy because of a huge production coming up.. what would you do. Buy two mac mini's?
Can I just leave this here ... This is the base model of the base model running non optimized software a week after release... pretty darn good
So the mini did incredibly well. Imagine what apple does with this tech in the future. Insane potential!!
Yeah, maybe in 50 years they can compete with 20 year old PC's.
@ Well if you pay $6000+ for a "PC" and spend 8 hours starring at a spinning beach ball then no they really haven't. For 5 years I had to take my work home and do it on my PC because the pieces of shit Mac "PRO's" melted from even the lightest workload.
@ I think your argument is bogged
Prepare for bitter PC users
Edit:
Too late lol 😂
@ Nah. Mostly PC bitter butter jelly are here. Why? 🤔
4:46 "I have an extrem bias in that video , I just spent like $9k on this computer (👉mac pro) a few months ago, I want to see this thing (👉mac mini) struggle and die." 😳🤣
I like the fact the 8gb Mac Mini was used, it shows how amazing these ‘entry’ level machines are... I can’t wait for the next level Macs; and I bet you would still save thousands.
"You computer scores a million points who cares". I like you, as a bro. Here have a subscribe and an upvote
I’m so glad I’ve found this channel. A new-level of video quality this is.
So basically you’re trying to reduce your buyer’s remorse?
Yeah he’s grasping here. Everyone will have buyers remorse when the M1X comes out in the iMac and 16” MBP
@@narutobroken indeed and with such efficiency Apple has a lot of room to increase cores and/or higher clockspeed for the M1X. The M1 will be like an iPhone chip compared to the M1X.
@@AntonioDal. You cant add cores and think power will scale that ,easy maybe it wont get hotter but apple will have to cramm a beefier neural engine (32 core)because M1 is faster because the NPU .its not a faster CPU like A64FX that doesnt have any coprocesor or accelerator on die.
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Apple makes a M2X or something for the Mac Pro or some kind of Apple SOC hardware acceleration module that plugs in.
@@mendodave remember intel is good on fgpa and accelerator boards.
I think Apple wont allow other companies to get money on apple. I said I think because there are a lot of fanboys speaking like they know what apple executive board / engineering team decide.
Editor here and this all checks out. For the level of editing you do, the Mac Pro makes perfect sense. That the Mac Mini M1 even comes in some range and didn't die from everything you threw at it says a lot in a good way. As you put it, it comes down to what are your needs and what works for you. I've edited for TV broadcast and it's a very different game on needs, especially on variables such as motion graphics, 3D animation, video formats such as R3D you have to account for. You can get A LOT done on a Mac M1 (especially with these results) but a Mac Pro exists for a very good reason.
tl;dr There's good options for everyone and it comes down to assessing what you need and fit your selection to that.
You’re absolutely killing it lately my dude. So good to see you’ve found a fit of content that works for you and is helping your channel explode.
Pulled trigger and purchased my wife an Air for Christmas. I’m still actively devouring every video on the new macs I can find. I’m more concerned about Big Sur compatibility than I am the silicon.
Did you buy from the apple website?
@@markomclane475 yes.
@@markomclane475 although my local Best Buy has some in stock.
@@zebratroopfan6695 is your order still processing, I ordered from the apple store like a week ago and my order is still processing.
@@markomclane475 ordered mine the day it came out and it only finished processing Friday.
Seriously, in all fairness you should have at least grabbed the 16gb of RAM Mac Mini.
For real
I totally agree. Should have gotten the 16gb M1 Mac mini
16GB version costs more than $700.
but that's not what this test is about. It's about the potential of the entry level vs a really expensive computer.
@@bgimusic why is anyone running less than 16GB RAM on a Mac? My late 2009 Mini has 8GB, because that is the max it can run. My 2012 i7 Mini and MBP both have 16GB.They are stuck at 16GB, because that is the max for those ones. All of them have SSDs instead of HDs. If I buy a current M1 box, it will be 16GB and at least a 512GB SSD.
One of the best videos I’ve watched so far about Mac comparisons. Good job!!
Thank you 🙌🏼
Erm... $699 vs $9000 - It’s awesome that you love the Mac Pro and it is powerful but if anything, this just further makes the case against buying a Mac Pro now.
The mqcpro is still way better with all the options and upgrades possible
again, depends on your usage, if you mostly do 1080p work as I do, this machine should be plenty good
I bought 16" Pro - love it every single minute. I also bought M1 pro 13 for my wife. Guess what ? Both are great machines, still prefer mine. (Davinci/lightroom). Maybe it is only me, but 13 pro is kind of tiny for me (even compared to older 13 air). Battery rocks on M1 macbook, if there is one thing missing on my 16 pro.
These are the comments I love reading! It’s exactly my mindset as well. I’m so happy to see this new Apple tech and everyone who gets the new machines loving them and doing amazing things. But also being confident in your own purchase and knowing your machine also kicks ass and helps you create amazing things. That’s a winning mindset my friend. Thanks for watching, means a ton! 🙌🏼
“Struggle and die” had me rolling. I can feel your pain.
Great pace, really useful info. Thanks! New sub.
Would have been a more fair test to use the 16gb Mini. I know the 8gb model showcases the strength of the unified memory architecture, but comparing an 8gig machine to the MacPro is just slightly biased, even if the Mini did perform well.
Yep
entry level vs high end is the point of the review
Consumer vs. pro - you can deduct all costs vs. watching Tv or UTube - not job, just enjoyment. Surprised at how well M-1 chip performs. Good review.
When you started speaking right at the begining I was pretty certain you were about to start a dope rap...
Omg same!
same here!
Exactly
A decade in computer terms is a long, long time. I upgrade every 4 to 5 years.
still using a 2008 mac pro rn lol. That is one thing when you buy apple they support everything for 7 years at least and after that all the third parties will support that last installable os for at least a few years.... they are all decade machines. I'm probably goign to get a mac mini in a year or so to replace this mac pro and plan to have it probably into 2030, I just need it for school work and to run pro tools
@@jonathansweeney2167 Running the same mac pro! :-)
Alain Dion nice man! No probs with mine. Only thing I did was just buy new ram a year ago, the cards went bad. Was $50 off eBay for 32 gb set. I use it for med school mostly now, still snappy and quick. Only thing that has been annoying for me is apps and certain programs not supporting the OS anymore, but old versions still work fine. When I graduate plan to get a real nice mini prob used, the pro is overkill.
You can buy 2 m1 mac minis or or even mac book pros, use one for video the other for photoshop and youtube and you still have spent less money ;-)
You could by 5 to 6 of them depending on the configurations....
wonder if they can do a farm using the new m1 mac minis..
lol thats....not how any of this works
@@hungryalien Apple advertised the Mac mini as being a farm node! If you check the official web page it talks about how easy it is to wire a bunch up.
Just the fact that these two machines are being compared at all is a buge win for Apple. I love my 3900X machine I built but I won’t lie when I think these M1 machines are just crazy. Power for price these are by far the best deal, and even more so for regular users.
The fact that you're left handed and using a trackpad instead of a mouse is throwing me off lol.
Super fair review. Honest to god real world comparison, and no cap anywhere to be found. Thanks bruh. Subbed.
I was making videos testing and on the last one I opened 100 Chromes widows and set a youtube video to play. Couldn't crash the M1 macbook😂
Great video. This is just the beginning. The M1 is an absolute game changer. Who would have ever thought there would be a Mac mini vs Mac Pro video ever created. Unreal!!
The “Mac Pro” just became a doorstop.
Hey, that was a fantastic review! You cleared it up for me, now to save up for the mini.
Sad face mac for those that paid $9,000+
@cyberpunk jutsu unless you're a gamer there's no reason to get a pc
@@anemoneyas Unless you're a video editor, there is no reason for a mac.
@@zezba9000 lmao both of u
Lol
@@zezba9000 Logic Pro is extremely popular among audio producers/studios.
What i don’t understand is TH-cam editors’ obsession with working without proxies. Making proxies doesn’t take that much time and ultimately is a more stable way to work in a professional workflow. If making proxies makes the 9k dollar Mac Pro the same as the 700 dollar m1 Mac mini, it absolutely makes no sense to get the Mac Pro. To me, not using proxies is a fictional “show off” workflow that isn’t tied to the reality of how people are working in the real world anyway.
“I want to see this struggle and die” 😅
Then give it a 50-60 hours non stop render job at 100% load. :)
amazing video as usual. Thank you very much. I have a Mac Pro 2018 and I just love it.As you said it it is a beast to stay with me for a decade.
Finally. Not jus one "handle" file..
The fact that the M1 Macbook Air and Mac Mini are this powerful basically kills the "pro-sumer" market as far as I can see. If 99% of youtubers and basically all film students can edit 4k footage at full resolution playback on fanless machines that cost >£1000, the only reason to buy anything more expensive would be for the real pro market. It'll be interesting to see what the return of that real delineation does to Apple's lineup when Pro means actually professional and not just "better and premium".
Out of curiosity which version of Resolve were you using on the Mac mini - the Intel or the m1 optimized beta?
Appreciate the real world tests. I’m a 2D animator. Usually frame by frame in photoshop. It’s nice to see the Mac mini handle quite a bit. My goal is to get a Mac mini to use with my iPad for animating. This video gives me hope! Thanks!
Imagine the chip Apple is are going to put in the new Mac Pro in 2021-2022. It's crazy to see what Apple silicon can do in a mac mini already!
Windows and PC hardware guys are going to cry even more about Apple and the machines 😂 Intel dead with AMD and now Silicon is going to kill them both further, one day, in the future. Maybe :p
We will see! :)
@@rotojo2 dun be a fanboi u been smoking too much weed. Mac pro is using old hardware like all in their line up. You can pick your own cpu on a gaming pc and if you think you can game on that m1 chip think again.
Great video Michael. Awesome stuff. Thank you. I really still would like to see how well the Mac mini M1 does with LogicX Pro and lots of VSTs.
Apple next year: The new Mac Pro is double as fast as the Intel Xeon with 28 Cores
Michael: Damn, this is tempting
Xeon processors are meant for servers. They have very low clock speeds and I don't think they have hyperthreading or Hz boost. Huge core counts don't always mean it's a monster CPU. Mac's chips don't have any boost either. The M1 specs aren't special at all besides the 1700+ single-core score that is only relevant when running fully native. Running Rosetta it's like 1250ish. I like Apple, but I have never been a fan of them overpricing and limiting upgradability.
@@JamarConley Apple will most definitely make a Mac Pro with apple silicon. That will be for servers. And adding basically 2 more cores from an iPhone chip and making it the most powerful MacBook in its weight class is pretty impressive. And with only 4 high performance cores is the multi-core score really impressive. Is there a 4 core CPU that is as powerful as the M1? And Rosetta 2 is the best emulation ever, running the older parallels for windows is like 1250ish. Did you like apple at the time when they sold an intel MacBook Air for the same price a year ago?
As a video editor, this is easily the most real world comparison I’ve seen. One thing I would mention, is that if you’re using adobe creative cloud, AE is still struggling somewhat with the M1 chip and there’s still no sign of a native version yet. That’s a huge contention if you’re a motion designer. I’m sure it will come, but who knows. Adobe is notoriously bad with optimization.
I like how the Mac mini only falls down multitasking here because you could literally just buy two (or eight) when you want to do more at once, which is funny to think
He didn't even get a 16GB version of the Mini.
Buy 8 Mac mini and use them as a render farm. Shame apple doesn’t sell it with the fast Ethernet like the previous Mac mini.
I mainly use a Mac Book Pro, but just upgraded an old iMac mid 2010 to 16 RAM and an SSD. 10 years and I am still using that thing.
Hence the different between "fellow content creators on YT" and real editing work. Editing your YT videos even in 4K does not equate "pro" work and i'm not even talking After Effects, 3D rendering, etc.
But of course it's "unfair" to pair the mac mini against the Mac Pro but that's all we have to benchmark with right now :) next year with the M1X chip or whatever...and it's not even a fight because they are on the same team and the Mac Pro will also end up having a Mx version of this M1 and things are going to get mental.
Couldn’t agree more with every statement you made! Thanks for watching and commenting! 😬
"pro work" that you are referring cannot be done by a macpro either. Studios like Disney or universal use their own custom made mini supercomputers.
@@melomaniakjm now imagine what $9000 of apple M* silicon could do...
Most pros work with proxies.
Think of this...what would happen if you put two of these chips in parallel? In computing history, many computers were based on Intel Xeon which had 2 or 4 CPU motherboard setups. I am willing to bet that new Mac Pros will have the ability to have multiple chips on one board. Can you imagine if they had not until now released Coffee Can Pro? LOL but saved the design for this moment? Where they had a triangle configuration in the center and THREE M2 chips with that really amazing cooling concept? Great video BTW! Very balanced and logical approach to what really matters. Real world testing and not just benchmarks! Cheers!
Dude. Your audio sounds incredible. Teach me your ways. Using Logic?
hes a professional afterall
A lot of it comes down to two things:
1) His Rode NTG4+ mic, perhaps combined with an external audio recorder.
2) Good acoustics in the room he is in.
He lists all his gear in the video description but a good mic is really the key. You'll never end up with good audio if you don't have a good mic. If you want to comparison shop then the Sennheiser MKE 600 is another great mic for a little less money. Check TH-cam comparisons to see which you prefer.
90% mic placement in mostly "dead" room
10% technique, mixing, mastering, etc
Quick dirty plugin settings:
Literally most EQ's - roll off everything below 75hz
Literally most compressors - Ratio 4:1, attack 0 to 1ms, release 120ms, knee 2db, threshold set so quietest speech barely triggers gain reduction.
Literally most limiters - put on master fader/track, set threshold to -1db, bring up VO track to BARELY kiss the limiter threshold.
Again, these are extremely quick and dirty settings. You can't boil down over a hundred years or audio theory into one comment, but this will bring most TH-camrs 90% there or at least vastly improve their currently terrible audio.
th-cam.com/video/76c8pH2XsnY/w-d-xo.html
Good comment thanks for sharing
too sibilant IMO
When you said you want the Mini to suffer and die, I laughed :D
"the single clip fallacy" exists because it's $700 and computers 3x the price fail that basic test.
I now have the new M1 MM, My wife wanted me to sell my 2011 Mac Pro, I asked her if she was gonna buy me a space heater, she said no, so I smiled back at her & said no as well, thank you very much!
Afterburner only accelerates playback. It does nothing to help render performance.
Dude your intro sounded like you were about to start rapping lol, great video btw!
Multi cam 4K was smooth or dropping frames ?
Here's a bunch of FCP tests I did, including 4K multicam. th-cam.com/video/tfoCgs-Rz_k/w-d-xo.html
Hindi Vlog Jaldi Dala karo Bhai.
Great video. Just bought the Base M1 mini because of all the great reviews. Just gonna use it for video editing and music. Been a Windows and iPad user up till now. Will let you know in 6 months what I think.
"I want to see this thing struggle and die!". I would feel the same if I just spent 9K on a computer and something new just came out for over 9 times less.
And beat the crap out of the 9k systems
@@sachinprabhu1571 I would laugh, but I don't want to hurt the poor guy's feelings : )
Nice breakdown, Michael! Love that you threw some real world edits at both machines and gave more of an overview than an in-depth scientific analysis. Excited to look at updating my 2013 Mac Pro and 2013 rMBPro with new Apple silicon versions in 2021!
"I'm very confident I'll have this thing for the next decade" ... Imma check back with you in like 3 years ;)
This. Haha
This is the first video of yours I have watched. I genuinely appreciate you honesty and the complete lack of hyperbolic language. Have the best day.
13:20 Sounds like a man with regrets & denial. LOL
no, more like "this is not ready yet for my needs, but shows great potential, will make a perfect machine for the wife"
sounds like you are jealous lol
Your Mac Pro is definitely going to last a decade for you. Any G5/MacPro I've ever owned has lasted about 8-10 years, and really never missed a beat with any OS Updates or Video Editing Sofware changes. And don't forget, that you've got a TON of headroom to upgrade that thing over the years, and you'll probably still be well ahead of the curve even years down the road. But I'm seriously impressed with the M1 MacMini. I have a 2017 MacBook Pro, and I really just leave it plugged into my monitors and never unplug it. I'm not much of a coffee house or airport editor...I really don't need the screen, the battery, the trackpad, touchbar, or the keyboard...It has 16GB of RAM, and I'm half thinking of trading it in on the MacMini and doing it while Apple will still pay for my trade in.
Thanks for making this video...I do corporate video production, and I didn't really want to see geekbench numbers...just wanted to see how timelines and real world usage would work, and this was perfect! Thanks!
This was a good, unbiased review. I have an important question though: did you use DaVinci Resolve 17.1 Beta 1, which is a universal binary with direct M1 support, or the normal Intel-only version which would have been running under Rosetta? If these results were under Rosetta emulation, that just makes the Mini's performance under high load even more impressive.
Thanks for this. I love that you stick to real world application rather than numbers. Genuinely amazed at what I’m hearing about M1 machines and very much looking forward to what they yield over the next year or so. My MBP is about 4 years into the 6 year life cycle I like to get from my machines, so I’m looking on with considerable interest at the moment. Cheers!
Last year's "Prom Queen" always hates the new one. Especially when she is more petite and prettier. Mac Pro has INTEL = hot, slow, and expensive.
But it's ok, we'll still clap when you find the corner conditions where the grandma machine still wins. Mac Mini 16/512 INCOMING!!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂 idc of this is a “hater” comment. This is my favorite comment of all time. I legit spat out my drink when I read the first line. Thank you for that and I completely understand your perspective 🙌🏼👍🏼
@@initialfocus Not a hater. You made your bias perfectly clear. You WANTED to see the Mini choke, crash, and burn. Just a comment on all the INTEL apologists still trying to justify their hot, relatively slow, and EXPENSIVE systems. M1 is revolutionary. Consider me...Paul Revere.
Bahahahhahaha! Yea let’s be clear each individual task is actually likely faster on the Mac mini. It’s the multitasking where it falls. Frankly two mac minis and monitors would be cheaper then the Mac Pro for multitasking or you know 200$ more for a 16gb Mac mini. The lack of gpu power is a problem. Apple is going to have to pull it off. They have thermal and power headroom just need to see if their gpu will scale up. They need to double or triple their gpu power in 1-1.5 years. Ram shouldn’t be a problem frankly. I expect 32-64gb of ram systems in a year.
I have a 12 Core Mac Pro 2013 and yesterday I bought the base Mac mini. I'm a final cut user and hope my projects will speed up with the purchase.
I was saving for a Mac Pro 2019, but if the mini is good enough for the next 12-24 month and I can get the new Mac Pro with Apple Silicon I believe will be better for me ..
Intel has been sleeping for years now. When this new chip evolves and everything is optimized for it, Intel will need a new game plan.
Ive just ordered a mac mini M116GB and gonna directly compare its performance vs my 2018 i7 with 32GB Ram and blackmagic eGPU. If it is even comparable performance for just 4k edits in final cut, then i can save a whole lot of desk space and go with just one mini and no eGPU. Great video. Now subscribed
Try adding anything to a MAC M1 silicon device, try servicing it? Try upgrading it? No doubt when it goes wrong you'll have to replace "the motherboard" for a suitably high price
you could buy a new one for the cost of one component on the pro
First true and honest look at the mini I've seen. Not an Apple fan but the reviews that came out first were too good to be true. You put a spotlight on all those people in this comparison. Good work.
Appreciate it 👍🏼
This is amazing performance dude! Amazing content 😎🎥
Finally someone who does the comparison the right way, thank you!
Imagine a Mac Pro with a M1 chip with 32 Gig Ram and 4 Tera NVE storage of memory with optimized software.
Did you use DaVinci Resolve version 17.1 which was optimized for the M1 chip?
Separately, what I’ve read elsewhere is that if you’re doing anything with 8K video, you need 16GB of RAM. Can’t wait to get my own machine to test!
I edit 8k red raw on the m1 16gb and it’s absolutely nothing like this. It’s more like the Mac Pro. I’m not sure what his settings are but the performance I’m getting isn’t even close
Question: was your Resolve the optimized 17 beta version? Because there's an Apple Silicone Resolve already
*Silicon (different meaning and pronunciation)
@@alvallac2171 auto correct. Thanks
I thought he was about to spit bars at the beginning
Is this with the M1 optimized DaVinci?
100% agree with this. Finally a TH-camr that talked in practical terms whole being neutral and not just riding the hype wave. Phew
Great video Michael :)
Hey thanks! 🙌🏼
Thanks so much for making this video, it's exactly what I was looking for in terms of a real world comparison. I finally have to retire my early 2008 Mac Pro, which has been my every day work computer since I got it, and now I'm convinced that the M1 options will be more than capable. I don't do high end video work, but the typical design studio mix pf Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign (typically all open at the same time) with some 3D modelling/rendering and video thrown in. I currently have an animation project that has over 1,500 layers in Illustrator and Animate, and that just chokes the old workhorse to a standstill, so here's to actually wrapping that project up!
To me the litmus test is this time next year when Apple is rolling out actually powerful versions of ARM in something like an iMac. Right now these are just the bare entry computers. What happens when Apple has mid level versions out?
I think ultimately the issue is that the Mac Pro isn't even a year old and we are seeing such a massive change. The Mac Pro is going to show it's age very fast....give it a year or two. With that if you are recouping the money multiple times over it's not that big of a deal but I am sure given the current economic situation of the world that not everyone is hand over fist in work.
I bought the 16gb model 1tb for 1080p video editing. It serves all my needs and then some. In the 1990s you would be working on a SGI Indigo2 with Max Impact graphics and that model would cost more than a luxury car. Amazing how far tech has moved.
I regretted buying my daughter the Macbook intel 13” two months ago😟. Should have waited.
It's not like existing systems are obsolete! God damn what is it with you people? Your daughter's probably only using the internet and writing the odd e-mail or using social media.
@@FlyboyHelosim Media hype without real world benchmarks for everyday use. News acts like m1 is the second coming of christ. User can't really gauge if it is true for them. So they buy into the hype.
@@falljosh I agree and it's ironic as most Mac users are just casual content consumers who would be perfectly fine with a 10+ year old computer. These entitled brats insist on the newest everything, all the time, without ever knowing what it is they're doing. Computers for years have been fast and powerful enough that opening almost any program is 'instant' and you can't get any faster than that. Yet these imbeciles still want more.
@@FlyboyHelosim chill and buy what you like
@@bgimusic Just trying to educate, my dude. I've seen a lot of people get ripped off buying expensive Apple products when they could have bought something with more longevity at less than half the price.
Very thorough review. Thanks
“I’ll have this for a decade”.... straight face, no eye twitch,.... ya.
9k down the drain boyy
I agreed with everything in this video on all points except his statement that he will have it for a decade,,, actually he will because it will be unused sitting in the closet. :)
I don’t see any reason why he can’t have it for a decade. There’s a lot of room for upgrades with that machine, so he can grow with it as he needs better stuff. I’m going to get 9 years out of my Mini, and it only got an extra HD and a Ram upgrade.
We will see with the MacPro with Apple Silicon
Really good work on your channel. You deserve more views
Hope it will come soon
Finally, found someone to summarize my caution and issues. The classic "single clip fallacy" was driving me nuts. I make feature films and do a ton of post production. There is a reason why we look at the amount of vram graphic cards have and the amount of memory needed for RAM intensive programs. I agree with the sentiments that the Mac Mini is amazing for what it is and the price but there is still an obvious usage case it is not well suited for.
Hey great review. It felt fair and honest. I agree with you about not focusing on bench marks. Even export times isn't an end all be all factor in what machine to buy. Rather what does it feel like to use, how well does the footage actually play back. Cheers, thanks for the insight.
Why not consider getting 2 Mac Mini M1's for expanded needs?
This is what I got out of this video... Get two minis! Switch over to the other mac mini when you are rendering.
Only if you truly need them now. Or wait for the more pro computers coming soon.
He does make a good point about the Mac Pro being swappable, might see a quad-core m1 card to add! (Just dreaming out loud)
4k and 8k will do in most viewers because they phone/desktop and "Browser" with their average internet access will die at those resolutions. So the you should check you audience range that most will watch 1080 and 1080/60 and 2k vs 4k and 8k. Which also require you display to support such resolutions.
It’s actually kind of evil that Apple sold the Mac Pro last year at the prices they did knowing full well this was in the pipeline.
Not trying to be a jerk, but you could buy a new Mac mini every year for 9 years. (Also - really not fair to compare a Mac mini with 8gb to the Mac pro with 160 GB of ram. I’m willing to bet that’s why the mini choked on the TH-cam 8K test.)
wow an apple fan with an actual brain!? Nice to know that yall actually exist
I think evil is a bit much? Apple had to put something out, and they weren't about to make Mac Pro the first Apple Silicon Mac. I'm sure their plan for the trash can Mac Pro was that it would be a beloved machine for a decade to come, much like the prior model, but that didn't pan out. That was pretty apparent year one, in 2013. So it had been a full six years since Apple had updated their Pro machine, and they were facing criticism that they had given up on the Mac.
@@chargers014 we exist. Love apple stuff, but I will criticize them when they mess up. I’m loving these m1 macs. This is what I’ve been waiting for.
Haha thanks I think? 😂 love Apple products. The hardware and software optimizations are always next level. But I also love android for certain tasks and I’ve enjoyed building my fair share of custom PCs. Tech in general is exciting!
@@baybae92 I fully understand the backstory on the Mac Pros, but they released a machine that can go up $60k which started at $6k. While they were on stage announcing it a WWDC last year, the people presenting knew that a $700 machine released the following year would trounce the $6K entry level machine. Plus come on, selling a monitor stand for $999 is pretty damn evil (more than the m1 that trounces the base $6K machine).
I think if they had just skipped the Mac Pro and just come out with the m1 macs instead everyone would have been like ohhhh - this is what you’ve been working on all this time.
Rich people: **buys $5000 Mac Pro**
Apple: *releases M1 macs*
Normal people: **buys M1 macs**
Normal people when questioned why they bought it: to flex on the rich using cheap steff