Rainbow Six Siege Was Almost The #1 FPS Game...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- Rainbow Six Siege. A game that was nearly written off in 2016, would just two short years later, become a premier FPS title. Bolstering hundreds of thousands of monthly players and a healthy esports ecosystem. Nowadays, the player counts are a fraction of what they were, and the once-healthy esports scene is barely alive. So what happened to Rainbow Six Siege, and why did it fail to become the #1 FPS game?
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Well researched and brilliantly written!
As someone who joined the Siege team later on in its story (at the tail end of year 5), it's always fascinating to hear the stories of how it got to where it is today.
You hear some of it from within of course, but every source brings with it a new nuance, and the way it's presented here gives me a perspective I don't always get from inside.
I may not know what the future holds for Siege (well, not everything at least), but I do know that there is still a dedicated team that will do everything in its power to see the game eventually reach that #1 spot. I hope I get to see that happen. That would be neat.
do you think ranked 2.0 will ever be changed
With enough passionate people on the Siege team anything is possible. Appreciate everything you guys do!
@@german5478 I couldn't say. I know that the ranked experience is something the team is still very much committed to improving, but I don't work on it myself, so what form that will ultimately take is beyond my knowledge (plus I couldn't talk about it even if I did know).
couldnt say it any better
what sector of the game do you work on? thanks for all the hard work!!
Siege's greatest downfall was being owned by Ubisoft. Case and point.
each update keeps getting worse
@@choharrry Definitely. For me the game started to feel worse in grim sky due to lighting and recoil changes. Then in Phantom sight no more new weapons each season. Thats the exact moment in which Rainbow six was Rainbow six no more. To be fair the last two operators have great designs reminding me of the old good days (RAM brings the tacti-cool looks that the game used to embrace) but the they fucked Up casual in this last season, bringing quick match. I love ubisoft games, but I Will never forgive the company for what they did to my favourite Game ever. Rainbow six pre-grim sky is the best shooter we as gamers ever had
@@Alex_Munoz5yeah I mirror this sentiment, as a casual player who never escaped platinum rank in grim sky, I feel like the recoil changes single handedly brought the game into controversy. Problematic operators (at the time, and shortly thereafter grim sky recoil changes) such as Ash and Jager used to have high recoil guns, but the removing of "the sight wobble" made recoil easier to anticipate and control.
I agree that the sight misalignment issue causing the change needed fixing. However, once they made those recoil changes, the cat was out of the bag. The SMG 11, Bearing 9, and SMG 12 were nerfed into the toilet with recoil changes. The game changed fundamentally, and Ubi saw that the way to balance things was just to nerf whatever item each update crossed a boundary in a spreadsheet. In addition, I mentioned Ash and Jager because their weapons after the recoil changes became zero recoil lasers in Grim Sky.
I will also concede that predictable recoil patterns raise the skill ceiling of a shooter game, because it allows for a learning and training of how the guns operate. However, recoil patterns that can be perfectly anticipated (with tons of practice) contribute to the prevalence of high fire rate headshots being king. People get frustrated getting defeated by the same tactic used by various people, and in their perspective, their opponent is spraying wildly at head level to score an instant kill, rather than being caught by someone who exercised patience to nail a headshot in one go.
@@corndoge3992 I agree with you in everything, but one minor detail. I think the recoil before wasnt "unpredictable", but "bumpi-er" if thats a Word. Might seem like something stupid to puntualize, but its important for me because unpredictable most of the time equals unfair or rng based. Im Happy to see more people realize that the changes mades in grim sky fundamentaly changed the Game forever. When It came out, not many people spoke about that (at least not as much as they should considering how important It was)
@@Alex_Munoz5 Yeah, I think bumpier is right here, just look at old footage of especially Holo's and ACOG's, the sight bounces and bumps under full auto sprays, I thought it looked better then compared to now
I feel like a battered spouse playing siege. Remembering the good ole days when Siege was my highschool sweetheart. Fresh and fun, always looking for what’s coming next.
Now they keep taking away my fun toys and gaslighting me by saying that I’m playing with them wrong.
As a veteran player this is the most accurate description I've ever heard lmao
This was in my recommended. I’ll be honest Gregor, didn’t know you had this channel too.
What an absolutely perfect description of siege. I keep coming back because there’s nobody like her. But I don’t stay long when I do because she’s simply not the same as she used to be.
I played Siege quite late in its cycle but still enjoyed it. But when I went to get my rank and got placed with Bronze teammates against a full Gold enemy team I quit. You can calculate your rank even before you get it and by that point I qualified for Platinum. Instead of giving me teammates that could hold their own against the enemy team, they gave me the lowest of the lowest skilled players against a full Gold enemy team, lmao. No fun in struggling because they artificially make the game way more hard.
Also, yeah, you use your toys wrong so we nerfed the shit out of them so now you must adopt a completely new playstyle. We hope you still buy the next DLC’S and whatever content comes out though
That analogy was so 🏳️🌈😂😂
it would seem that g has purchased a couch
banger
The game became soulless in design. Back at release and good few years after that it had the perfect feeling to it - cold, gritty, tactical, realism-leaning military shooter, something that was missing on the market. Somewhere starting 2020 the game started creating hero-esque characters, it was no longer about top special forces operators that worked as a collective, it was about how we can make an 'unique' mary jane character that represents some party running around in a stadium arena instead of you know, shooting terrorists? And obviously the terrible balance changes proposed over the years, some just not making plain sense or removing a feature that was there since day one.
I think people tend to forget that devs team were switched at some point so it's easy to tell when the game fell off specifically, the people that developed this game from the scratch are long gone, the people currently working on it have joined the team some time ago.
Yup
Same dogshit artstyle changes with Fortnite because of different devs and ceos literally the atmosphere of video games is the most important aspect and when you remove or rework something to cater to children when it originally has nothing to do with kids and vice versa thats a whole other issue itself. Same thing can be said for twitch and them allowing nudity on a platform that’s majority viewed by children the world is sick and doesn’t care about uplifting and evolving the future only interested in profiting off of it
@@boogiesuave7937On point!
Capitalism has taken an extreme and many of us are starting to realize it.
Nostalgia is eating your brain. It was a buggy mess back then and if you think old siege was better explain the today player count and compare it to old siege player count
"cold, gritty, tactical, realism-leaning military shooter, something that was missing on the market" what are you talking about, the exact style you are talking about was the most overrepresented in video games during the 2000s and 2010s. So many COD and battlefield type games doing exactly this.
Rainbow six is the greatest example why you shouldn’t listen to competitive players
Ubisoft did not listen to competitive players. If you were on twitter following esports players, you would see that all of those nerfs were almost universally hated by pro players and streamers most of the time.
The video talks about the changes to Jäger. Pro league players said to nerf his gadget, not Jägers gun. It took years of many many many many nerfs to his gun before Ubisoft decided to yield to pro league players and actually nerf his gadget. By that time, with a balanced gadget, his gun being hardly usable killed him. And that’s just Jäger. They did the same to Twitch, Ash, Thatcher, Glaz, mute, frost, buck, Valkyrie, caveira, echo, Mira, lesion, ela, zofia, vigil, maestro, maverick, nomad, mozzie, nøkk, and thunderbird. Everyone one of those operators after getting nerfed, pro league players made their voices heard on why they should not be nerfed in the way that they were.
(i left out operators that the community did not want nerfed that pro league did.)
Ubisoft listened to absolutely no body I wish they listened to comp players. Do you think comp players wanted jager nerfed?
@@BaggerFood101 comp players were mixed.
Some said to nerf his gadget, others said that having such a high pick rate was a necessity evil and needed to remain as is.
When the ACOG nerf came, pro league players were mostly found it to be favorable because they made it where only 3 armors had them. The playerbase was divided on if 1 speeds should be the only ones with ACOGs.
When Ubisoft continued to nerf Jäger though, pros complained that Jäger’s gun was what made him strong in casual and lower ranks in ranked, but not pro league and high ranks. They almost all said that nerfing the gadget was needed, not gun nerfs.
I can’t even remember any pros praising Jäger recoil nerfs.
They just kept coming, and coming, and coming, and coming, then grim sky, all recoil for all guns was reworked. Jäger got hit hard! And yet they still nerfed his recoil after that. Eventually, it was such high recoil that they nerfed his magazine capacity and damage.
Then they released Wamai which back then, as a much worse version of Jäger who had to wait most of the round to even put a good amount of utility down. They buffed Wamai a few times along with some more Jäger recoil nerfs.
Eventually they finally listened and made it where the ADSs instead of getting two projectiles each, they only got 1 per 10 seconds. That brought Jäger down. However, despite the gadget being balanced now, all of those gun nerfs stacked up and remained. They were never undone.
And with an extremely low rate a fire, above average damage per second and insane recoil, few wanted to play him anymore. Pro league most of the time switched to Wamai except in strats where they actually needed Jäger.
And that is just Jäger! It happened to a bunch of other operators! Especially Ash, Twitch, and thatcher.
They nerf off pick and win rates I'm pretty sure. Let's say Ace got picked all the time, and won more often than not. That means he's powerful and needs to get the bat. Same thing recently happened to Iana despite her only being picked for nades before they took away cooking.
The problem is they nerf more often than buff which eventually catches up to the game and all the ops are much weaker than they originally were. Plus they seemingly treat the 1.5x as the make or break balancing tool. Thats just an opinion though. I'm not a ubi employee
@@ryanretrogamer7 they straight violated my boy. Unpopular opinion ash deserved those nerfs. The very fact that people thought she was a 4 speed because of her hitbox warrants nerfing her into the ground. The statement still stands jackal is the most broken op in the game and comparing any gun to the C7 is absolutely bonkers, nerfing any other op is and has been ridiculous. Lesion and echo can be their original selves and still be under picked. I think it’s time we start tping the Ubisoft office they clearly do not know how to sell a product.
I'm taking away your cooking licence, and promoting you to head chef. Keep doing what you're doing, G. Apex next plz, as they appear to be releasing a fat update soon for 5th anniversary.
Apex would be a fun game to cover!
Apex is flawed in that It took a universe that was praised for what it was by its community and made it the worst thing possible for a deeply interesting world to be traded for a hero shooter with no depth in its world than drama between specific characters in a battle royal. Among other issues with the game itself, it being again, a hero shooter and a battle royal two of the most miserable things for balancing in the eyes of the community.
hey whats the background music your playing @ 6:35?@@TheCouch-Co-Op
@@girlypop-bell I still find it amusing that mirage has probably the most thoughtful lore (imo). Relatives to droz and davis, mother has a neurological disease of some sort that messes with her memory (probably dementia), puts on a front so that he can inspire the frontier by being wacky and confident while just wanting to make his mom happy (who's the inventor of holo-tech). I don't think much has really reached that level in a while for me, the idea of just trying to cheer up the frontier with all the shit going on out there made me wonder what everyday life was like, which other lore filled in. Revenant was a cool look into the identity of a simulacrum, but since those times, characters like ash and valkyrie just feel like callbacks to titanfall stuff. And then like you said, now it's all more personal conflicts rather than exploring the wider universe again. But it has been a while since I touched the game, so I could be wrong
Nah. The finals next, since it shits on apex
one of the saddest downfalls to me, played the beta / full game up until 2021, game just started feeling like every match was a Esports tournament, + the “childish” cartoony elements and battlepass just sealed its fate. i was 13 when i started playing, almost 21 now and it’s like i wouldn’t even play it if it came out in 2024
I hate how Ubisoft butchered their games theme. Siege had a gritty and rather realistic style and they turned it into a cartoony Sci-fi theme. Unbelieveable
@@mr.fister4738 soo true. the game i hit diamond and sunk 1000s of hours into is nothing what it is today.
THIS.
it’s so weird to me seeing people say they played it for years and don’t like it anymore. it was my favorite game ever when it came out and i thought the brazilian update was the start of its downfall. that was at the end of year 1.
@@pizzaparity oof
2015-2018 siege is (was) my favourite game of all time
Siege is still fun now and with the new operation deadly omen it’s extremely fun
Same started in 8th grade and play all through highschool. I’m 20 now
hiding in different dead bodies was my go to strategy to clutch and win rounds back then
@@AH-rf3zq it was fun when you did it. bs when someone did it to you
The shift in tone is why I went from loving siege to hating it.
When it started: hardcore tactical shooter with a serious counter-terrorist setting
How it is now: hyper-competitive headshot-spray-centric esport with cartoonish setting
If I wanted cartoonish I’d play overwatch. If I’m dying in one headshot I want it to feel like Ready or Not, etc.
The valorant power addition is when I realized it’s no longer the same game it once was and stopped playing regularly
@@trentwise3762 what’s that?
@@126theman sens. His little gadget is the same as one of the valorant abilities
@@trentwise3762 oh that hilarious, I stopped playing right after they added Blackbeard and Valkyrie, not cause they’re bad, but that’s when I lost interest
@@trentwise3762sens is non binary
I said it before and I say it again, the change from dynamic to static lighting and the removal of night maps, goes to show you, that the original art style of the game was thrown out of the window, in favor of the sterile and more esport friendly look of the game. Atmosphere is what makes a game a good game. It's not just the gameplay, but also the feel to it. Also, good video, very informative.
Thanks! Nothing like good presentation.
It's not just to be esport friendly.
It is to look more cartoonish, more like Valorant.. to attract more players, be more casual. Being an hardcore realistic shooter is very niche. Being colourful isn't.
I think the gameplay in siege is still amazing, but yeah the atmosphere took a small hit. But like CS and Valorant aren't what they are because of the atmosphere. I think there is still something unique, a unique feel to siege and that won't change ever
@@wakatpr6583 sadly it just makes the game lose its essence, its supposed to be a tactical shooter, not candy crush. i get your point tho, but taking away night maps and all realness is part of the corporate greediness the video depicts.
sadly, its a case of too many cooks spoil the broth, the game has been in too many hands, too many artistical directions, and lots of bad decisions. the last decent point I can recall was operation chimera and the outbreak event, after that it was just the worst, even tho the game was still expensive and so were the micropurchases
@@fabr0 I am not sure that is what the video was really about. It was mostly positive about what Siege has become.
I think the game wouldn't grow if it didn't become less niche, less realistic in a way. I think we kept the foundations of why Siege is a great game : its gameplay but we made it more mainstream. And I don't think it's bad at all
Getting recommended this channel only to hear a familiar voice! I imagine you’re trying to see if this sinks or swims without cross promotion, which is respect the hell out of. Build a new audience!
I always felt that your long form discussion vids were some of your best. But the core siege audience didn’t seem to appreciate them nearly enough. Hoping to still see stuff from your main channel (which i still love) but happy to be here on this next step!
Keep it up!
We're happy with what we're getting so far! Thanks!
can you tell me his previous youtube channel
@@BeyondAbsoluteG’s Gaming Experience, formerly known as Gregor
@bobbobson8087 thanks it's coming back to me I remember him dropping r6 content for a bit for valorant seems like he is back
The thing I hate the most is that I paid for a product that I technically don’t have anymore. If the company’s would give some sort of way to just simply play our favorite versions of the games I wouldn’t have much of a problem. I want to play the game I enjoyed those years ago, the game I put my money on, not what it is now
you can play the older versions, they just dont have servers , so if you have 9 friends you can play old siege
Pleasantly surprised this was recommended, I always loved your longer form discussion videos
We plan on many more videos like this. Thanks!
can't play or think of this game without thinking of Kixstar. rest in peace man
one of my favorite games even now. i still play it not as much as i once used to but as a 10yr siege veteran i cant seem to stay away always wanting to come back to it after some point
That seems to be the sentiment!
you played the game before it was available?
Same here. Bought the game in 2015 only because it was on sale and basically never stopped playing. I won't touch it for months and then play consistently for months before I stop completely again lol
@@miojo1239it’s been out for 9 years…. Relax
same here, i got it instead of the division because it was cheaper, and do not regret it a second. I think we all come back in the hopes of it becoming something better till the bubble pops
I must admit that when i saw the video and then checked your channel, i was suprised you only have 3.6 k subs.
A video of the highest quality, congrats, earned my sub for sure.
For anyone watching this video now. The new Deadly Omen season feels like classic siege
They also reached 200,000 players on steam for the first time ever this season
We are so back
It’s weird that I just had a “feeling” to download siege suddenly 3 weeks ago after years and I’m playing daily now!
In 2015-2016 inthought this was the Most innovative game ive played in a long time, relating to online MP shooters anyway. They added so many operators and gadgets over the years (not necessarily a bad thing, content is content) it was a game you had to stay on top of to be or remain proficient at. I liked it alot, and am happy to see that it eventually took off for nearly andecade. Ifnyou remeber, it was almost dead at/after launch. But they actually put the work into it.
I'm in love with your video production and story telling. Glad to be here so early in your development!
I know this voice... Not new
@@SoloSwaffit’s Gregor
This is Gregor
the next big fps game is going to be Counter Strike, like yeah right now it's just a Half-Life modification but it's really something special. I've heard some rumors about a standalone dropping by the end of this year, I'm beyond excited.
Not really. Kinda mid tbh
@@SynthesiZR While it is one of the biggest fps games out there, it's not for everyone. However it's one of the only games to maintain it's identity throughout
I didn't know about this channel and it popped up in my recommended, cheers G, good stuff
Thanks seaalon!
LMFAO that cut from a serious analysis to "BE CLIPPADAY"
I loved how RS6 began in 2016 - 2017 but after more and more updates/operators/dlcs the game where getting more and more casual and too colorful and childish in it's tone. Which i hated and that's why i stopped playing it. Same with CoD MW 19. Started strong with a serious tone and getting more and more worse with stupid funny operators
A lot of my friends quit when they removed the dead bodies on the map
@GreeneryForTheScenery yeah that'd ridiculous
Siege is still fun if you play ranked, the grind is fun
@@crakz5088 oh boy, i sure do love being stuck in copper because 99% of team matchups end up with the other team having players who peaked at emerald 1 while my team has a 4 stack of 6 year olds :\
I was a Siege player for 6 years. Started playing it back in Velvet Shell after watching some videos by TheRussianBadger of playing it. Before then, I played a bit of the PC beta on a shitty gaming PC I had (AMD FX 8320 + Nvidia GTX 460) and rented the game on Redbox for PS4 during launch. I thought it was ok, nothing special. Least until I saw Badger play it. Got into the game since then and was enjoying it. I wasn't all that good at Siege but slowly overtime I kept playing it alongside others. From Velvet Shell until Operation Crimson Heist it was my main FPS title to play (only stopping a bit when Modern Warfare 2019 launched and then I dropped that game soon after). Slowly overtime I got better and honestly I peaked around Y3 or so in terms of player skill.
One of the things I always enjoyed about Siege is that it blended the military themes with the hero shooter elements of games like OW, and I kept trying to get my OW stack to get the game to no success. Even after the toxicity fiasco with Overwatch. Sadly after Crimson Heist I lost interest, the past few seasons were making me angry during the grind of the battlepass (as I wasn't into grinding ranked) on top of my interest for other games gaining at the time such as Forza and going back to MW2019 for a brief period of time. Ultimately I dropped R6 for good after Crimson Heist, but I had kept on being subbed to your main channel because your videos were always good despite me not playing Siege anymore. But the characters will always be a fav of mine, I can't put into words how happy I was when Goyo was announced (as a Mexican myself), and I gained new favs in both personality and gameplay overtime like Ace and Oryx.
Nowadays, I'm struggling to find an FPS title to grind that is up my alley. BF 2042 struggles to run on my Ryzen 5 3600x (yes I've tried the .ini fix), I'm hesitant to buy COD again unless things change for the better (I don't want AI designed cosmetics in the next game, nor another short campaign), Finals isn't my cup of tea and I will forever suck at Counter Strike. But my brain craves a new FPS title, especially an arcade experience that reminds my brain of the golden age of COD without buying those old titles as their PC community sadly died after C&D's from Activision.
Anywho, great video once more G.
MW3 is pretty good but I dunno if you'll like it
@@Natzuya I wouldn't mind getting it discounted for the gameplay, but even after Microsoft bought Activision they have treated the devs horribly by laying off lots of staff. And I don't wanna reward Microsoft for that. On top of the aforementioned AI designed bundles and operators that might be on the horizon
@@ShingoKirishima1997 fair
@@Natzuya there are free trial weekends every season or so, that's usually when I hop onto the game to play for the majority of my play time
Personally waiting for xdefiant to release and it might be the game you are looking for, only bad thing is it isn't out yet 😅
Rainbow Six Siege is arguably the most important multiplayer game i've ever played. It's my second most played game of all time. When i first played it, i kind of hated it and didn't understand why i kept dying so easily. Tiny holes in the wall and enemies getting better angles on me was something i wasn't used to playing against or around. I uninstalled it. Then around a year or so later, i remember a few of my friends own the game, and that i did too. So i reinstall, actually try learning the game, and i've been hooked ever since. Not a week goes by that i don't boot the game up atleast a time or 2
It's fun to learn!
i used to play siege all the time with my friends, we moved from ps4 to pc and played till 2021... now i dont even think about it
Glad to see another content stream from you G! Hope your diversification yields great return, keep up the solid content!
jumpscared by my favorite youtuber lol. Have barely touched Siege in recent years, but I'd love to see a story-focused single-player or co-op experience of some kind. Hell, I'm playing Persona 5 Tactica right now, and I could see a lot of potential for Siege as an XCOM-style strategy spinoff even. The unique characters and abilities would lend themselves very well to something like that.
Ubisoft need to sell up at this point. They've proved time and time again they are out of touch to an unbearable degree. With their work ethic, community and introspection.
Dude I got randomly recommended this video, used to watch your siege stuff when I was into that. Great to see you're branching out and trying new stuff!
One thing you missed is what actually made rainbow six siege blow up was it being put for free on a weekend I believe in its third season.
another great video G, hope couch co-op pans out well for you
Is the voice gregor? Love your content dude! Is this a new project? Why the new channel? Lots of questions but something is certain. You gained a new sub with this awesome video.
the clip of jager holding yellow made me so happy, I remember holding yellow exactly like that 🙂
Loving the new channel!
I didn't know that you have a second channel G, looks good!
I like ya couch G
Hell, what a great research and absorbing video! Fascinating to see how we've gotten to this point.
this was brilliant, my friend :) Well done! Thank you for explaining with detail and giving context to all the decisions 🔥
I played rainbow since release with a bunch of friends. It quickly went from military operations grounded in relative reality to lasers and dudes who can break down walls for some reason. Rainbow went from a game I respect to fortnite within a few years--at least fortnite respects its identity, rainbow couldn't decide between goofy disney game and military type shooter. Its a bad game, and every time I try jumping back in I remember why I quit.
Love the video but why didn’t you upload it to your main channel ?
Huh? This is our main channel :S
This was such a great video! It sucks that cheaters is hurting the game. I mainly play on console, so I probably don't encounter as much cheaters as those who play on PC. Siege definitely has its ups and downs, but for the most part, I'm still having a blast playing Siege. That feeling you get when you go to overtime and win 3 years ago, it's still exhilarating today. And that's a feeling I still fail to get in other games.
I like the old marketing for siege being dirty with darker colors, also not having named ops was cooler
I left Siege for a few of many reason, I was an OG Player since Alpha and A Diamond Player every season until I left in season Chimera or whatever season was before Master existed.
Coming as a console Player the Insane amount of players using 3rd party hardware Xim, Cronus to use MnK vs Controller in a 0 Aim assist environment. Is insane and discouraging, call it the base form of cheating. DDoS attacks were also a very bad thing back then when it came to ranked games
The operators slowly became one trick ponies and Helped the whole team with the one click of a button.. Finka, Lion... The game slowly turned from tactical Realism shooter into a Sci Fi arcade shooter, in other words the need for strategy was fading away.
The servers were also always an issue, from Hit Reg to Lag - Operations Health showed the worst of it.
Overall after they removed Pro league from console i had my End goal stripped away from me, I was never a PC player. The game took the direction of leaning towards a more casual player base & that wasn't me
I truly miss the game, it was my Main game for years. But nothing is forever.
I can sum up me quitting R6 with a few patches:
-A LONG time ago, they gave Montagne and Blitz some buffs. Notably Blitz could now sprint at an enemy and then melee them, while flashing them. Montagne was a walking super-reinforced wall.
-They made Blitz slower. They brought down his ability to decminate an entire team.
-They made montagne's deploy speed slower, and gave his shield flinch when melee'd so he couldn't sit in a corner.
-They made shields, the thing that we have used for centuries to counter melee attacks, get coutner'd by melees.
-My point: They made something fun, and realized that it was strong, which made it fun: and instead of elevating everything to a fun level, they bring anything that stands out down.
-Screw modern gaming. If you get clapped, get good. I've went against hackers and won. You adapt your strategy against strong things using your strong things to make crazy plays. An ace clip in modern R6 looks so bland to someone who doesn't play R6. It's like watching John Wick trying to play purely defensively if he was in a wheelchair and paraplegic. A lot of modern Esports game suffer from this problem.
It was fun for you, but for a lot of people it isn’t fun to go up against
@@GodnJeasus Nothing a C4 couldn't solve.
Tbh they dropped the ball committing this to a mostly-strict tactical shooter. Having only one life modes is really holding the game back from what it could actually be. They are designing characters that, in order to be fun, need to be frustrating to die against if you're caught off guard. But that's just something inherent to satisfying game design because once the enemy can react, it messes with the psychology of the game a LOT and even the knowledge can become a crutch.
IMO tactical and hero shooter is a horrible combination but what do I know I'm not the one with a dying game.
Dying to an instantly exploding Ash grenade isn't so bad if you can just go back into the fight a moment later. Lion wouldn't be so frustrating to play against if you DIDN'T have to stop because the enemy knowing where you're at would throw the round. Making you have to account for 200 different possible variables and having the whole round hinge on if you prepared for the correct 5 variables is just an inherently frustrating experience.
Very nice video, you took away several doubts I had about the game where I wasted more than 7 years of my life. Now I finally understood Operation Health, I understood the reasons for the problems and successes. And maybe it wasn't a waste of time after all, I always had fun even when I was pissed off like a beast, between cheaters and terrible matchmaking.
I've found your channel today, but I already ❤ it because, you cover very interesting topics
I think the "hero" aspect of hero shooters sours any game with them after a while. Balance is near impossible since you have to account for dozens of already existing heroes and maps along with future ones in development. The only way you can avoid this is by not making any new heroes at all and focus on what you have, but then people will complain about a content drought or that there's not enough diversity. It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario every time.
The problem is when they release a new op and it's always overpowered, only after yrs they fix them
This vid is already outdated. Siege has the highest active players since its release
Don't forget Alex Remy too, a pivotal player in the direction of the development of Siege for the first half decade of siege that also left to work with Amazon a couple of years ago as well
Recommended on my home page.. found a familiar voice 😂 very thankful my friend 🙏
Gregor? 🤔
must be
we are a couch
I dunno Call of Duty killed itself...
Siege got the assist
From my time on the forums ~10 years ago… Patriots’ multiplayer was almost finished; the single player was abandoned. The multiplayer was reworked into The Division, NOT Siege (hence the similarities in environments).
Siege was created basically from scratch after Patriots was canned.
As someone who started playing 2 months ago, I love the game because there’s so many ways to play and outplay people, but the bugs seriously make me wanna die 💀
Why is everything gay like why 😭 21:29
companies are cowards
Controversy sells. Righties with Greek statue pfps are going to make videos with rage click bait, and you're going to have a counter reaction of social liberals buying the game to own the aforementioned group. It's cynical marketing at its finest.
Im pro lgbt....but i think the issue was the sudden density of progressive representation. Ok so like its not an issue but i see where, Flores, first openly gay operetor, followed by Osa, first trans, followed by Sens, non binary, all in a row, got people afraid that siege was starting to focus far more on going woke for its marketing rather than simply making good mechanics. Obviously this didnt break the game, and the fact i did not know tub was trans until this video, nor anyone caring at all about flores, makes me think people were actually worried about siege making a political statement and that diversity in itself was never the controversy
Honestly id love a little Tarkov overview on the channel, G. The lore behind the world of Tarkov is kinda dope and how they developed the game too.
What boggles my mind they trusted siege enough and backed it till it could walk and run in two legs… but every game after even the spin off ubi cuts the cord.
What? Tubarao is what? Osa is what? i do not even have words to this... I think ill take a break of this game..
I love R6 but I think the #1 FPS game of all time is CS.
Great video and analysis. I enjoyed watching this while smoking my shisha)) I began playing Siege in early 2017, needless to say I remember why I liked playing this game from 2017 - (late) 2019: the operators weren't overly exaggerated with their gadgets, the gunplay still heavly relied on the use of these gadgets, and the UI was very simple. I remember the wall papers from each season which portrayed realistic operators. It had a nice atmosphere to it, I totally forgot about this hadn't you showed this in your video. I took a break from Siege for about 4 years, but I played one match in late 2021, and it was a totally different game. I dont remember which operator I saw during this match but I geninuely told myself "wtf." This Siege had a different atmosphere it - the new operatora felt out of place and were too technological. The original theme of R6 (elite police/counter terrorist units) disappeared, so yes, I would say the change of them changed this game (the constant new technological/futuristic operators). Gameplay wise, the eSports community continues to drive the course of this game. I returned to Siege 1 month ago from my 4 year hiatus, and I notice how heavily this game is catered to the eSports players.... One last note: I wish the profiles of the operators were dossiers like before, not some biography written by a developer who has a gender problem. I disagree with one thing you said: this video IS a call-to-action. But the calls (shots) are not up to us.... they are determined the eSports players.
Your second video and already ahead of many others in terms of quality. Good job man remember us when you’re big.
You do realize this is Gregor, right?
All the inclusive stuff is stupid and make no sense. All it is is virtue signaling and some idiots love being pandered too i guess.
Jinx really brought the game back to some players like myself who used to play a lot but quit and saw him play. He really brought it back to a bunch of new and old players
ive been playing r6 since the release and i agree with u in all the points u said, great vid bro
great comment bro. let us know what you'd want to see next.
I’m shocked this channel has so few subscribers, and so few videos. This is a very high quality video and I hope to see more!
More to come!
This video is underrated 💯
Thank from the heart of a siege fan who played the game since the release in 2015 and will be the last player to leave the server if siege dies …
Man this video is good, i as a an old seige player this video just resonate for me alot.
Only reason that I stopped playing this game is not for the stuff they added but my squad stopped playing it
Only reason that we stopped playing is we didn't have a couch
The thing with character diversity is that there are TONS of problems in the modern world, and characters backgrounds such as “vigil fled North Korea” and things like that bring those problems to light. However, as of recently, Ubisoft has started defining characters by their sexuality, which I kinda see as lazy, just trying to follow a (with lack of a better word) trend.
Damn I did not expect you to be such a new youtuber with a low sub count based off the quality of this video, looking forward to see what you do next
I wanted to play it a few weeks ago for the first time but was overwhelmed with everything. And when I played the practice missions it glitched out and I can’t progress after multiple attempts. The bots never enter the house.
Speaking out from my country Rainbow 6 siege had a very big community that was very interested in the game in every way possible from the basic siege games like casual and ranked to tournaments and events , then the downfall started when ubisoft decided that pro league was more important than the casual player base so they started nerfing every operator that had even a slight complain from the pros to other meaningless changes that were fine and no one complained about before also not having any good solution for the hacking problem on pc so people started to get pissed off from the way ubisoft was handling the game and almost 90% of this community in my country has left or barley even play the game anymore almost since 2020 until now the game has been almost dead comparing it to the good old siege
I honestly think the next steps for siege would be
1. Engine upgrade
2. Better Anti-cheat
3. More operator bans
4. An execution plan window where u can drone and plan out ur attack while the defenders are prepping
5. Probably a multiplayer campaign too
6. And last .... Maybe for once Listen to the community !!!
i got into siege with year 4 season 2 phantom sight. loved the ambiance of the menu, before the massive switch to sporterizing the game to an extreme degree, it still had some of that gritty feeling. i have over 3000 hours in the game but the styling changed a lot, became more sterile, it felt like a completely different game so i turned off of it and quit playing regularly around season 7. i check in from time to time to see what new stuff they added, but the drive i used to have is just gone and all the people i used to play with have also moved on to other games.
An unfortunate sequence
Great video as always G!
Gouch
I think Deimos is an attempt at self-reflection for a portion of the R6 community, his narrow thinking and stubbornness, that cold determination he has. He tells you how it's going to be, and he'll stop at nothing to make it that way.
Harry was a narrative tool to show what Rainbow Six is all about, diversity, from all walks of life, united under one common goal, no matter the sacrifices, no matter the differences
At least to me, the duality of Deimos and Harry is a mirror that Ubisoft Montreal is pointing right at us, and maybe they're hoping we'll realize that.
Such a great video!! Subbed!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I remember being a kid and loving siege through the years, When they got to mfs running through walls I knew where it was heading…
they better add spawn animations in Y10 since the gameplay reveal is what started it all. It may be too much to ask, but it would definitely add very well with the maps
I miss playing all the maps in ranked.
I almost didn’t realize I clicked on Gregors alt channel randomly, amazing documentary brother
Who is Gregor? But thanks!
@@TheCouch-Co-Op *G’s gaming experience or whatever the fuck he rebranded to for no reason, he’s just Gregor to me and his voice lives in my head with many others
Great video man! Keep up the hustle … 100k before you know it 😤😤😤
You already know!
Siege could of been my favorite tactical fps PvP game but, then Ubisoft wanted to push for super heavy futuristic gadget gameplay, awful anti cheat and constant focus on more operators instead of fixing actual problems that been existing since launch. It’s honestly a shame cause gunplay is great and destructive maps is awesome but, everything else is bad.
That shit fucked my heart up hearing kickstar unexpectedly like that 😢
I dove into this game exactly because of complexity it is limitless well of potential and satisfaction coming from learning new tricks outsmarting opponent touches that string of satisfaction in me I love this game
23:02 Antartica needs more love man😢
Our fault.
Great vid, bud! Nice work! ❤
This is a really good take on the game in its state and how most people view Siege and it’s back story. Very well done. The game was more fun/nostalgic prior to all the controversies
I played it from 2017-2020 it was really fun, but they started to nerf everything and change everything that remotely meant fun. They only cared about pro league after that and it shows
This was fantastic! Good Stuff G!
Gouch
I remember this glitch if mozzie caught your drone after the prep phase you couldn’t shoot anymore it use to be stuck like I’m still using my drone I could only melee
Been playing since operation health and reached plat during white noise so idk if my opinion is valid,
but what the Dev team needs to do is revert every balance change and revert every character to They're released form for a whole year and patch out/in every buff and nerf to each character based on what ever new data presented itself during that year.
For map design the Dev team needs to start giving attackers power position and expand on the deduction. I've been brainstorming but they need to add structural weaknesses that only attackers can open because the defence is way too strong. This would be buff for sledge because he can now open up a brick wall or floor by using the majority of his hammer usage.
That was really well made video. I'm playing Siege since Skull Rain opreation and this is still my fav game, i hate it sometimes, and i love it too. And that's why i don"t want it to die
Long live Siege!
Siege's greatest pitfall was not being Patriots.
Edit
Hopefully, somewhere in an alternate universe, the Tom Clancy series kept its Tom Clancy roots. I owned the game informer and it was the last issue I got.
This is such a nice vid. I love your story telling. So surprised how much I liked this vid, I barely even played siege lol I’m not interested in the topic at all 😂
super interesting going thru these comments as someone who only got into r6 seriously last june - lots of difference perspectives
I don't really care if we get siege 2 or another rainbow game that's only single player as long as it has some of the operators pressent either to choose from in a planning phase, or giving us mission briefings. I really like a lot of the characters in siege, as opposed to the original Rainbow games where I only ever really liked Bishop
Gregory’s content is always on point.
Couchory?
Keep up the videos I’m fuckking with this love your other channel but don’t love siege as much anymore but i do love a video essay keep it up Greg
Good ol' video essay. Nothing beats that!