Filling a Lada with alcohol instead of gasoline - what will happen?
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What’s the difference between a good running Lada and a bad running Lada? I can’t tell any difference.😂
Running good means it’s running 😂
Maybe the same metrics as for Škoda 120 could be applied - good running engine is when all four cylinders are firing and engine maintain idle :D
The proper carburetor setup and head/piston rings condition is just a question of preferences - if You have enough fuel or oil to waste, if You like smoke, if You are in hurry and need all power that engine was constructed to provide :D
Bad running Lada you have to push.
No one can
@Karl with a K 😅ucñq❤ b❤❤
Meanwhile here in Brazil rolling on sugar cane E100. 😆
Around 4% of water and there we go.
Excellent fuel. Burns clean, easy to tune and not that toxic while working with it.
Caravan do Alemão que o diga.
Buddy find fire:)
Heh ethanol E85 if iam correct already exist.
Brazil uses sugar cane waste which is ideal. Both for the alcohol extraction and reuse of a waste material.
The Idiocracy (U.S.A) uses GMO corn which requires a lot of water, fertilizer, glyphosate, and energy to harvest. The net energy output is far far less than sugar cane waste. But, that doesn't matter because Monsanto tells Congress what to do.
@@BlackPill-pu4vi muito curioso você falar isto do seu país, aqui no Brasil com o Lula o caminho para a idiocracia segue a todo vapor. Enfim, o álcool aqui realmente tem maior poder calorífico. Grande maioria dos carros são "flex fuel" podem usar álcool ou gasolina. Normalmente geram maior potência no álcool. Infelizmente o álcool tem alguns problemas.... As partidas a frio são problemáticas, o consumo de combustível em relação a gasolina é 30% maior e o principal de todos. Para produzir álcool usamos cana de açúcar, e plantar combustível demanda grandes áreas que poderiam ser usadas para plantar alimentos, então não acredito que o álcool seja algo promissor
4% means every tank may have half a gallon of straight water.
This is turning into a multi national channel. USS-Russia-Thailand, I love it keep up the good work!!
USS..?
The brimming containers of fuel on shaky card tables with open flames, classic G54. Really love the scientific approach with showing the fuel's properties! Would be cool to mention the energy density and what sort of effects you get running richer (total energy flow, evaporative cooling, knock tolerance, etc).
if a lada can run on alcohol so can your car dude🤣🤣🤣
E85 is very common these days in the United States. 90% of gas stations in my area sell E85 and almost all gasoline is E10. Straight gasoline is actually kinda rare and it's more expensive to get ethanol free gas at the stations that actually have it. It's actually kinda cool seeing the differences in fuel options around the world. Awesome video.👍👍
Some stations in wisconsin sell eth-free premium, but it's only 91 octane instead of 93. Those extra two points makes a lot of difference on really high HP stuff lol
I see ethanol free gas at just about every gas station. The only places I see without ethanol free gas is Costco. I live in Washington state, right on the Idaho border.
Yeah and my 35 year old classic LOVES this bullshit fuel. Combine that with the fact that you can't get pure gasoline here in Ontario anymore means more additives.
I mean, not many people run non-catalyst carburetted cars anymore, but marine engines...
@@the_kombinator You may be confusing Ethanol with Tetraethyl Lead. My 08 300C HEMI loves the 90 octane no ethanol fuel from a local gas station and have had no issues. I also use it in my dead stock 79 Cordoba (in profile pic). The Ethyl lead can't be used in vehicles with catalytic convertors, it plugs them up.
@@jamms992 Ah. Things my be a little different in your areas as I live in South Carolina. Only about a third of gas stations have it in the Summerville and Charleston areas. It's a bit more common in the rural areas though or at special stations. E85 is much more common in the more urban areas than ethanol free. The vast majority though is E10.
Glad to see Cyril in this good cross collabs! Very interesting content!!
Just a thought guys. Ethanol has a higher latent heat of vaporization than gasoline, so on carbureted engines it likes to just lay around in the intake manifold as a liquid instead of vaporizing. This makes the engine act like it's very lean until manifold velocity gets high enough to suck the liquid into the cylinders, then it acts slobbering rich until the liquid fuel is pulled out of the manifold. Carb heat helps, a lot!
You;'d need to rejet the carb and change the spark plug temperature range. As someone who did this to a Hyundai Pony when the gas prices went up to a dollar a litre back in 2008-2009. It ran on Methyl Hydrate, which at the time was cheaper (in drums) than RON 87. The car RAN, but.... When the fuel prices came back down to a normal rate, I quickly put a normal carburettor back on!
just do what fat lazy people have , install " thyroid " into the fuel line , itll output more calories and you put into it
I don't think it makes as much difference as you are saying.
@@hello7431 Why would an engine run hotter with ethanol in the mix?
These are heat engines; Anything that makes them run hotter makes them more efficient. Thus your assertion is dead wrong; The strength of alcohol in the gas is that due to the cooling effect, it essentially increases your effective octane number. And we all know that a car running on gasoline alcohol mixture will get far worse fuel economy.....
Alcohol makes the engine run cooler🤷🏼♂️. And it’s also higher octane. E85 is 104+ octane gasoline. Which means you can run more compression and/or more timing making more power. Only down fall is it takes more of it. But it’s cheaper. Go buy 104 octane gas then buy e85 and tell me which you rather run.
Thank you very much Gentlemen! Here in Canada, we already use E10 in almost all our fuels. Old carburated cars have had their jets adapted for this. I remember my dad spent the afternoon adjusting the fuel system on his Niva when we got it. I was 10 at the time. The Niva always in every temperature, and never stalled for 10 years.
In the 90s, during the sanctions, we drove on whatever was burning. Paint thinner, mixture of petroleum and gasoline, propane-butane...Alcohol but after 2-3 distillations. 40% is possible, but the carburetor needs to be adjusted.
Now, lets talk about electrónic fuel injection 😂
Carb jets for running alcohol are about double the size of those you use for burning gasoline.
about 50% bigger actually. (that's a 22% increase in fuel flow)
although it should run with 40% (that's a 18% increase)
it has something to do with the square root of the ratio of the increase in fuel since the jets are round so it's about the surface of the jet hole more than its diameter
@@guillaumegaudin694 I was going by Holley jet sizes. Double the size (jet number) gives you a 50% to 55% increase in flow.
Which means more fuel burnt , more flow = more spent.
Fuel pressure must also be increased to compensate for addl fuel the engine will consume. As well you should
Use different oil as alcohol cools causing condensation inside crankcase.
The special editing was fun in this episode.
Here in Brazil the gasoline contains 27% of ethanol on gasoline , and ethanol with 2,5% of water is the second most used fuel in the cars here, is called " etanol hidratado" this fuel is excellent but not works great in temperatures under 15°C is used only on tropical countries, the vehicles since 2004 can use ethanol and gasoline mixed in any percentage is called FLEX vehicles
@hello Ethanol mixed fuel will run cooler than straight gasoline, but only if the engine is new enough to compensate the air/fuel mixture and timing correctly to account for ethanol being oxygenate (meaning it contains oxygen molecules) by reducing the air in the mix, otherwise it will run too lean without manual adjustment, (so steer clear if you are carburetted or even running early EFI systems etc if you don't want to mess around to get the mix right), thereby increasing temperatures from a bad mix which is where the misconception comes from that it runs hotter. It only runs hotter if your engine is not set up to run it properly, fix that and it's fine (barring issues with old lines and seals that also fail due to not being correct for the ethanol mixed fuel). It's also not filler - it's a legitimate fuel on its own, as the person you replied to stated, they also run some vehicles in Brazil on E100 (hydrous ethanol / etanol hidratado). Think people would still be doing so if it was causing them problems?
I love the bowl of flaming fuel less than two feet from a liter of fuel open to the atmosphere and the bottles of unmixed fuels right there as well if this was an American shop OSHIA would be all over that
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is that you mother? i'm sure these guys know what they are doing.
American Moment 😂
E85 pretty common here in Australia
Really good for tuning and running aggressive ignition timing! It’s a cool burning fuel!!
but do not drink it don't do it dude🤣🤣🤣
Don't drink it don't drink it don't drink it
This was actually a really great episode, and very educational. Y’all stepped up your game.
This was one of the best videos in a while.
Well done guys.
The reason Russia not have ethanol benzin is because people would start drinking it
Not gonna lie, even in eastern europe bomzh (homeless) drink ethanol mouthwash and other stuff instead of vodka/whiskey/etc.
in Russia its a crime to drive on alcohol. its a waste you should drink it
I’m from Texas… our “spirits” would probably run a regular stock V8 like a top fuel dragster 😂
@@TheOfficial_InsaneStang Go chuck a bud light, bud.
@@TheOfficial_InsaneStang alcohol doesn’t care where it’s created.
Texas can’t even begin to compete with Russian alcohol consumption.
For properly running on E85/E100, you need to rise a little the compression ratio (somewhere 11:1 to 12:1 is a good number), you need more fuel with bigger carburator gicleurs (about 30% bigger), and you can give more timing advance (where is expected around 9° on gasoline, you can reach up 15° on E85/E100)
You too, keep supporting them
I was to comment that, ethanol works better in higher compression ratio
Exactly. That's why E gasoline is crap in standard cars !
Here in Argentina in the 80s in the northeastern areas I remember that alconafta made from sugar cane was sold. When my father, who was from there, went to visit before leaving, we took the car to the carburetor to replace all the gaskets and rubber parts because it was said that this fuel attacked them. I remember that the performance was lower than 95 octane gasoline. I think by the 90s it stopped producing
Menen lo hizo
Everyone talking about the fuel, I am loving the editing and well done transition
Awesome Experiment! In Brazil we have Sugar Cane fuel, Alchohol. And Gasoline. And Diesel too. Almost all vehicles past 2007 have flex fluel capabilities, of running in any mix of Gasoline and Alchohol (ethanol) and the engine will still work. Ethanol makes more power but worsen fuel consuption.
In NSW, Australia, typically E10 94 octane (our rating system is different) is cheaper than 91 octane that makes it slightly more $ efficient with the advantage of higher octane allowing a little more power and torque if your car can make use of it. In Vic, the price difference between E10 and 91 isn’t enough.
Keep supporting them, while their country destroys a peaceful country
Larger jets for the 1.2L carb. You're not consuming more air, just more fuel. Ethanol contains less energy than gasoline, so you need more ethanol to get the same power.
Vlad, just take the carb apart and put in much larger jets. You may have to drill out the idle speed jet as well. I don't know how Lada carburetors are but, the general idea is the same.
This is what I did about 15 years ago, and added colder plugs. My car ran on methyl hydrate, not very happily, but it saved me a few bucks during that mini fuel crisis.
You guys make great content very educational
Much love from Tulia Texas out on the farm 🚜
Yay! Cyril is back and looking very tanned 😂
I really like the style of this video! The co-operation between the guys in both Russia and Thailand was really cool.
Yeah keep supporting them... Whats wrong with you
The guy with A31 nissan cefiro in thailand is a garage54 crew.. for some event maybe..
as a brazilian ive been around lots of old carburated cars running on ethanol and i can say this:
-back in the day most people had to start their cars and wait for about 10-15 minutes before actually driving it, thats because ethanol performs terrible on an cold engine
-you need at least 10:0:1 cilinder compression for ethanol to perform properly (carb or e-injected), around 12 is pristine
-you will need at least fuel pump and injection system (carb or e-injected) to be chromed or other method that makes it resistant to corrosion, as ethanol has some serious percentage of water, and thats why lots of it did condensate on the floor below the escape pipe (30:48)
-you have to change the radiator fan switch and thermostat to ones that engages at little bit later (or hotter), as ethanol requires an hotter engine to work properly, i cant especify numbers but is nothing more than 10º c
-the ignition delay has to be almost doubled
-carbs running ethanol dont need to be constantly cleaned like gasoline ones, but do periodicaly check the status of the chrome work done on the carb
-some people have cold start assistance with a improvised gasoline injection system directly on the carb, some even go further and put an heater coil somewhere at the fuel metal pipes (that way you can just start it cold and drive it imediately after with a decent performance)
-after the engine is hot, you will have an car with about 5 to 10 more hp than it would had on gasoline, but will cover about 70% the distance it would on gasoline
I run a fuel injected and pretty high compressed (about 12:1) small engine (50 ccm) with lambda sond with E50, no problems, even at cold start conditions. Now I'm at about E70, and the engine stalls sometimes while idling. I guess, most petrol engines with oxygen exhaust sond will drink up to about E50 without any issues.
10:00 the burn time difference is likely do to the atmospheric pressure difference... boils off easier at higher altitude.
normal gas has ferric nitrate in it... "alcohol gas mix has +63g/1L copper nitrate added to it with the ferric nitrate" some brands use nickle nitrate... those chemicals are expensive, many people in Canada complain about having to pay for them in the fuel "call it tax". but in a V8 engine those chemical additives let the motor pick up an extra 90 pound feet of torque. let some gas evaporate and the nitrates concentrate, the old cast iron engines blow up in less then 2 minuets of burning the modern fuel. those chemical additives are at the top end about $90/500g... can fit a fair bit into fuel that can hold water as there not so soluble in fuel it's self. E85 E20/10 better fuel emissions standards in chemistry... gas costs bit more and the engine burns less to doo the same thing... just see the cost number at the pump go up sets off the nare say, don't know why... simplicity just calls to tax because chemical engineering makes no sense to the lot of them. So much lead nitrate in that E85 in Thailand. ... so much ferric nitrate in American gas that any engine made of cast iron will blow up after running for 2 minuets, the rods find there own way out of continuing to work. ethanol can hold water = more ferric copper nickle lead nitrate in the gas, solubility scales... mean while 6% to 12% makes a good beer, because it is hot outside.
Ethanol is in Canadian petrol too (not sure if in all provinces). Here its 10-15% for bottom tier gas
Getting the information from you guys is very helpful
Lol!! "We've fondled the Magic Thing!" Good old Garage 54!
Here in the states most of our fuel has 10% ethanol in it there’s a lot of cons to using it older vehicles can actually be damaged from ethanol supposedly it’s mainly to help with emissions and is renewable we can get non ethanol at some pump stations but it’s really for small engines and vintage vehicles that are stored for longer periods of time
They are actually increasing it to 15% now.
Fi would be cool
I wwonder how you dare to post videos here in fact that your "leader" have forbidden use of social media. You have guts and balls to do it. Respect
@29:35 "OK we... Fondled the magic thing?" 😂😂😂🤣
Anyone interested in running an engine on regular 'Petrol' v Ethanol and the tuning of, try checking out '2 Stroke Stuffing' where Alex is taking a home made 50cc motor and trying to tune it to run Ethanol AND SUPERCHARGED for a top speed project (so far, us viewers have seen 32ish BHP out of that tiny motor!).. And he goes into flatslide carbs, regular carbs and needles, reed valves v rotary valves, Gates supercharger and much much more.. His sense of humour is great too! 👍
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Great and informative video, more serious than usual but really interesting. Go for the fuel injection test 🙂
great science project guys ... fun to watch
alcohol can be corrosive to the fuel system on a car, depending on the type and concentration of alcohol used and the materials used in the fuel system.
Ethanol, which is commonly used as a fuel additive and can be found in some gasoline blends, is particularly corrosive to certain materials commonly used in fuel systems, such as rubber and plastic. Over time, exposure to ethanol can cause these materials to deteriorate, resulting in leaks and other damage.
Other types of alcohol, such as methanol or isopropyl alcohol, can also be corrosive to some materials commonly used in fuel systems. These alcohols are sometimes used as fuel additives or as a substitute for gasoline, and can cause damage to fuel system components if used inappropriately.
To avoid damage to your car's fuel system, it is important to use only approved fuels and additives as recommended by your vehicle manufacturer. It is also a good idea to have your fuel system inspected regularly by a qualified mechanic to detect any potential issues before they become major problems.
That hyundai getz is just chilling at 2:10 I'm a pretty big fan of these.
My 2002 S10 here in the USA (Tucson,Az.) is a Flex Fuel vehicle that can run on both E85 or Regular Gasoline..
In brazil all gas stations have 100% ethanol ❤
Actualy e100 cost is U$ 0,65 per litre in my town
@@giovanefortuna wow E85 here in sweden is about $1,5 per liter
@@jonmagnusson6399 That value is a conversion, don't take it as pure value. The value is around 0.25% of the minimum wage
@@rian0xFFF Well the biggest part of the fuel here is the tax ;( 60-70% is tax because the idiots in the government thinks we don't need cars in this country.
Etanol é o melhor combustível.
These tests were nicely filmed and edited, good job guys!👍
The test were skewd due to open air testing in Thailand
I want to see more Cyril again.
I was wondering where he'd disappeared to. Was thinking the worst.
Advance the timing! If your base is 32° on gas, alcohol (methanol/ethanol) you would want an additional 4°- 8° of timing, depending on the engine design, ambient temperature & atmospheric pressure. Remember it takes ethanol and methanol additional amount of time to burn so you want to get that burn started sooner. But also not too soon 💣💥
Btw the sweetspot for a mixture fuel is between E10 to E20. Ethanol increases the efficiency via cooling and knock prevention and in those ranges even though the energy density is lower the efficiency increases enough to give you a net positive in energy output.
Also the max power and max efficiency peaks are brought closer together making their "balance point" both more powerful and more efficient
Keep in mind that the temperature of the fuel plays a roll when determining the density. In Siberia at -25°C the density of pure ethanol would be 826 g/l and in Thailand at +25 °C it is about 785 g/l. Gasoline behaves similar...
When installing the larger carb, the air fuel ratio is not really changed, because the larger carb flows more air and fuel at the same time.
You need the jet from the larger carb installed in the original carb.
Very interesting, thanks! I have five four stroke port fuel injected engines, all of them equipped with a three - way - catalytic converter and a lambda sond: A 50 ccm one cylinder with 3 valves (Kymco New Sento 50i) , a 110 ccm one cylinder with 2 valves (Honda Vision 110), a 1000 ccm four cylinder with 4 valves (Honda CBF 1000) , and a 2500 ccm six cylinder with also 4 valves (BMW 523i). The 50 ccm runs now on E60 without any issues, even on cold start conditions. All other engines were running on E10, except the 110 ccm (E5). What is interesting concerning the soot: All engines produces a lot of it, most the 50 ccm, less the 1000 and 2500 ccm - except the 110 ccm. Although this engine runs on only E5, it has always a absolutely metal blank exhaust tip. The 50 ccm, which produces with E5 or E10 a lot of soot, runs with E60 almost as "clear" as the 110 ccm with E5. So it depends also on the engine cunstruction (for example the amount of fuel enrichment and oil consumption), what amount of soot will be emitted.
I always liked the idea of using ethanol as fuel because in the worst case you could make it yourself. Maybe just enough to drive a small moped or generator, but even that could be a huge lifechanger in a serious crysis. With normal fuels you are 100% dependent on the wealthy and powerful people up there.
An alternative could be " gasozen" made from heated wood
@@Pavlos_Charalambous Exactly. It doesn't even have to be wood. It can be bushes, grass, weeds, plastic, paper, rubber, cardboard....basically anything which contains carbon. You can even heat old clothes and rags!
welcome to brazil
A car driving on burnt rags...now thats quite somethin!
Should try Methane Gas, from rotting vegetables.
You will need at least as twice bigger jets, not only "a bit bigger" ones
bit bigger = twice
You have a car with a carb?
@@joebloggs2635 yes. I drive a vw type 1 with dual Weber IDF 40mm
Interesting.... great video guys!
I wanted 20-30% discount on the E20 from the pump since the regular car made after 2000's uses approx 25-30 % more fuel, ( before 2000 needs 98 octane as of EU standards) . But no, the greedy bastards found another way to tax the regular Joe. Anything mixed with ethanol needs to be in regular use. Seasonal use needs regular fuel . Ethanol attracts water/moisture. Another scam to use food for fuel, and been done for years. Give people a chance to have some reliability with a car without complicating simple things. A friend in Brazil said that he had to completely drain his favourite motorcycle since he uses it only periodically, so moisture does not accumulate in the tank. Storing the bike with a full tank, or completely empty helps. What a way to complicate simple things and waste food just to use it as fuel. Happy to find the Garage gang again. 2👍's up.
The US made the switch to ethanol. However a lot of older carbureted lawnmowers and yard equipment and cars the ethanol tends to eat the rubber gaskets hoses etc. Also most of our gas stations have their own formula of additives and cleansers that are added. This was an interesting video.
Always a good day when i get to watch another video from my favorite Russian youtubers.
We once ran a borrowed outboard on Methylated Spirits after running out of fuel a few kilometres from home. Drained the Metho out, ran the outboard for a bit with Petrol to get rid of the Methylated Spirits smell and gave it back to the by we borrowed the outboard from....
Hello and many blessings from Nova Scotia Canada. Times have been hard here and I want to thank your channel for giving me hope and positivity in these rough times. I used to be a diesel mechanic before things went bad. I love finding these videos. It inspires creativity and makes things feel good. Thanks again!
Stop supporting a gavernments people who war and invade an innocent country
If you try fuel injection, you'll have to have a fully programmable ECU so that you can adjust the fuel air ratio on the fly, and also your carbureted system could use some timing adjustment as well. The E85 vehicles also adjust the timing per ECU control.
Welcome to Brazil! Every car sold from 2005 onwards is called TOTAL FLEX (VW is a pioneer), burns Alcohol and Gasoline and any percentage of their mixture.
I ran. lawn mower and an MZ ETZ 250 two stroke motorcycle on E85.
But a bigger carburettor isn’t the solution.
Instead you need to enrich the mixture.
Pull the choke or widen the carb nozzles (which was what I did) and it will run well.
As for fuel injected engines: The electronics will maintain Lambda 1 for the catalyst, so the ECU will adjust the mixture consistently.
I drove E100 on a full flex fuel car in Brazil. It has fantastic low-end torque, the engine is very quiet with lots of power! 😃👍
The exhaust gases? Very wet with a lot of water vapor. You have a bit of the smell that you have in a hotel when they keep something warm with an alcohol burner on the buffet. 😂
I love watching your videos, especially messing around with old Lada cars with old school tech, easier to try things out rather than modern cars. I wish I had the resources to mess with cars and engines a bit. 😂 I wonder if it's possible to get smooth running on alcohol without too many modifications? Keep the videos coming, great channel!
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I use gasoline (95) to clean my bicycle parts. Works like a charm. And I also use it to open ultrasonically welded plastic power supplies to fix/modify them. Just a drop around the seam and you're in.
Acetone doesn't work for this?
@@the_kombinator I have never tested that. I cannot get acetone that easy. But my motorcycle runs on gasoline.
I’m convinced! You can not kill a Lada!!👌😂👍amazing!
You can change the jets in the carburator, make them larger. Or get some ethanol carburator, a problem with ethanol engines are that it's really difficult to start on cold days, here in Brazil most cars before electronic injection used to use a gas injector to start. New engines are more useful, they have compression about 10:1 to 12:1, so they work better with cold and have more power.
There was no way I wasn't goint to watch this. Well done !
You could buy E85 (85% Ethanol, 15% gasoline) in Germany since about 10 years ago. During my university time i drove a small VW Lupo with a mixture of round about 50% Ethanol and 50% Gasoline without any problems. Only the coldstart in the winter was a bit tricky and the consumption was higher. Otherwise the car was fine with it and the lambda regulation corrected the amount of fuel you need. It even ran smoother with it and had a bit more torque. And it was way cheaper than gasoline at that time.
Above 50% ethanol the MIL came on and the ECU showed the error "mixture too lean, long term correction exceeded" or something like that. And the engine began to run way too lean. Above 60% it wasn´t usable. It had backfire, was sluggish and coldstart was horrible. But as long as you kept staying blow 50%, it ran fine.
Same here with a Kymco New Sento 50i (fuel injected engine with lambda sond). Until about 50 percent ethanol everything was okay, even the cold start. Now, with about 70 percent, even the warm engine often stalls in idle.
I drove lada samara with E85 as is. Clocked in 10k miles. Just little power loss, started even -20C winter.
In America we have 87,89 and 93 octane. 89 is really just a mixture of 87 and 93. 89 is not delivered to the gas station on the truck. It's mixed at the pump. We have E10 and E85. Almost every gas station sells only E10. Very few gas stations sell ethanol free gasoline and it's usually more expensive. 87 is the most commonly sold. 93 is for high compression engines.
"Fondled the magic thing" is definitely going into my daily wordage!
Here in states (PA) ethanol gas or winter blend, there is a gas station across the street from my house that sell it. It cost more and regular
This just proves my point that ethanol fuel is a scam
In Australia E-10 is about 1-2% cheaper than 91 unleaded
But I had a feeling that you use like 10-20% more of it
This video proves my point
I just love how CLEAN alchol burns. And the lack of smell
For the burn test, the AFR is going to be significantly different between hot, humid Thailand and the huge landmass of Russia, I suspect that's why the first Thai fuel was so much sootier.
You have to adjust carburetor jets in order to use this fuel. My dad used to run this on his 1988 Lada Niva. It was great, it was easy to find the fuel in the country.
Increase displacement, Raise the compression, raise the cam lift, increase ignition timing and add fuel.
Also, note that this fuel burns differently when combustion occurs. Usually, you would advance timing more, and there is lesser pre ignition with this fuel mix. Do the fuel injection . Basically, there is more room before it ping.
Great video and really great editing guys.
i am a thai person who like working on motorbikes and i gotta say one of the important use of gasoline here is to wash your hand after it got all greased up from works
100% interested.
Less petroleum use can only be a good thing.
I'd love to see a simple thing we can do to fuel injected cars to make them run on E85
Um..... E85 has been around for decades, running fuel injected cars.
Less ethanol for gasoline, more pure ethanol for tuning.
This is pointless, since for example CZ and D didn't offer E85 anymore. :(
@@the_kombinator great. Details... How do we convert normal petrol injectors to this? How do we modify a standard petrol car to this, walk us through it, share your knowledge.
@@sarchlalaith8836 Adjust the pulse timing, same as you would do in a carburettor by changing jetting to adjust the A/F ratio. It's not rocket science, but you'll have to do a little bit better than passively aggressively harass random TH-camrs. Do some research in the field, learn something instead of demanding answers for "us".
In Brazil we have a 100% etanol fuel powered cars .. the trick is do increase the compression ratio and change few degrees in the camshaft sinchronism
About fuel injected cars, some say that you need a propper remap or some kind of kit that makes your engine inject more fuel. And some peple say that as long as the car is equipped with an ECU and all those sensors, it will adjust the mixture on its own. I have a 1.4L civic from 2004 and I've ran with 50% E85 and 50% E10, it worked but consumed more so i guess you don't need a kit or remap ?
The o2 sensors take care of the fuel air mixture.
Adjust timing if you want more power too.
Yes, please. Fuel injector version will be appreciated. Спасибо
HI vlad .
normal gas and ethonol have a diffrent stoichiometric ratio . so to run on e 85 would require bigger jets in the carberator not just a larger carb. also ethonol can take more timing or boost without getting engine knock.
adjust for ethanol is very easy.... around 30% more fuel volume, 2~3 points more in compression ratio and more and fast spark advance
I built a van of mine to run off pure alcohol, was much better than petrol and pulled like a freight train. I built the motor for high compression and the lil' motor had central point injection. All it needed was a tweak with a fuel pressure regulator.
You need an E85 ECM with larger injectors and a fuel density meter so the ECM knows how much alcohol is in the fuel. One tank of E85 and half a tank with E15 later gives an unknown amount of alcohol, but theECM can figure it all out and adjust the fuel air mixture. Your air fuel ratio is lean.
Been there done that ;) Tried id on my 1991 Mercedes 190E with mechanical injection. It did run great on E40, pure E85 it struggled to start and would not move until the engine was at normal full temperature and had very little power in general on E85 but it did run. Most likely the fuel injection vas broken giving to rich fuel mixture for regular gas, also I had to run E40 for the car to pass the emmisions test every 2 years.
I tried it on a 2002 Astra Z18XE with electronic gasoline + LPG injection. Gas i used for startup until 30 degrees coolant temperature.
Until E30, it ran fine. Above E40, it ran like a bag of nuts and it started badly.
But the engine was happy for many 100'000 kms.
Adjust the timing, it'll run heaps better
Yea here in the states you can get E10 and E85. We also have a few stations that sell pure gasoline for boats or long term storage.
Burn and residue tests were interesting, don't recall seeing that before.
It would've run better on the injection system because it compensates automatically, and what came out of the exhaust is water
Actually it wouldn´t compensate correctly. Gasoline and Alcohol have a different Stoichiometric AFR. It could even make it worse trying to correct it. Even if it did, theres a set limit for corection, maybe 5-10%.
@@MyCrazyGarage it depends on ECU , most modern ones will richen the AFR to prevent melting the pistons which matches the ethanol's AFR , worst case scenario it'll be in limp mode and richen the mixture but it won't run as well as a well remapped ECU
@@BIGBOICOMBO Exactly, a remapped ECU would be the best thing.
@@BIGBOICOMBO yeah, it's only how far the ecu can adjust the fuel trims (and if the fuel injectors could flow that) that keeps an engine from running alcohol just like gas.
Modern cars only use the o2 sensor for alcohol content feedback, they don't even use sensors anymore.
I did a lot of playing with my cats over the years until I moved and no longer have access to the fuel.
If it wasn't for alcohols vast richness increase needed during cold starts as you get near freezing, you can just throw larger injectors into a car and it runs fine... I've done that.
Great content and very interesting , especially here in England were we have no alternative the government just wants to ban cars ! Thanks for this film great news !
There are Boxes to use E85 in modern Cars, you eed about 15-25% more injection depending on the RPM and torque...
i drove E85 in a BMW 735, a M5 and i did it to Clients with MiniCoppers, Aston Morgans, BMW´s, VW´s...
E85 has 110Octane....you can have higher RPM and longer maximal Speeds, its burning 100C lower...it has more power than any kind of other gasoline....
So the reason the E85 burns for longer is because alcohol burns slower, it has nothing to do with how much energy or how little energy it has within, it's all to do with the knock index, if you took 91 octane gasoline it would burn the fastest which is why it's a terrible fuel to use as it would cause engine damage at high boost because it would be more prone to knock as the anti-knock index is very low. 100 octane and E85 will burn the slowest.
Basically the higher the octane the slower the fuel burns.
I have a car that use gasoline, alcohol and any mixture of both fuel. Such type of flex car are common here in Brazil.
I was in the u.s. navy a long time ago and visited Brazil. your language is about as easy to understand as vietnamese to my dumb ears. just an observation . i had a great time there and loved eating brazilian beef i remember. dumb american here only one language spoken. i even have a. hard understanding most english folk and especially the irish when they speak english. guess that's why i don't travel much.
You need a higher compression ratio in the engine to run with ethanol, usually flex engines in brazil run with 10-15% higher compression ratio compared to the mono fuel ones.
In America, E85 is fairly common. Maybe one out of five gas stations sell it. And a fair number of cars on the road are "flex fuel." Among fuel injected cars that are NOT flex fuel, some will adapt and run well on E85, and some just don't. Typically on those you see a lot of backfiring and lack of power. But it is a good clean fuel though. Much less pollution, keeps your valves nice and clean, and because it has a higher ignition temperature, it is theoretically equivalent to a much higher octane. That's why they use it in racing engines.
Incidentally, don't believe all the garbage you hear about ethanol damaging your fuel hoses, etc. Those are leftovers from when M85 was a thing - methanol, which is a more aggressive solvent than gasoline or ethanol.
Here in Brazil we use alcohol for many years in our cars! We have a great knowledge about It!
Great experiment - I was confused that you need a lot more to run the engine, yet the ethanol fuel lasted longer in the burn test - I presume it was burning cooler perhaps
Burns slower but it’s more stable
Higher octane but it contains less energy.
Pure petrol has a stoichiometric ratio of 14.7:1 and pure ethonol a stoichiometric ratio of 9.1:1. when using ethonol you can increase the compresion ratio / add more boost so then able get more power ..