Pope Ireland Visit: Is the country over Catholicism? - BBC Newsnight
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- The Pope is set to visit Ireland for the first time since 1979.
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If there was one country that Popes of the past could count on to stick by the Catholic faith - it was the Republic of Ireland.
Today, not so much.
When Pope Francis arrives in Ireland there will be every kind of reaction - yes, there'll be enthusiastic crowds, but also some alternative events and vigils, and perhaps even shrugs of indifference.
So just how far has Ireland drifted from its Catholic past?
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No, Ireland is not over Catholicism. The media is still obsessed with it. We have many journalists who never do anything but complain about the Church.
Yes it’s a scapegoat for the present issue thanks to the Irish state and all those women who were misdiagnosed with cervical cancer recently.
Why don’t journalist cover that now ?? Or protest against Leo and his smug face he is a horrible individual is Leo using the church as a scapegoat wake up Ireland 🇮🇪 stop dwelling in the past !
Why do you reject the concept of a talking snake?
No, the media is reflecting people's disgust at this bullying institution that used shame as a tool of control. Yes, the Catholic church is over in Ireland, go to any Church this Sunday, nobody cares. Also, why are you so quick to defend this money grubbing sect when they were quite happy to let children suffer horrendous and repeated abuse never defending them? They deserve our contempt.
you should be disgusted at urself, church shill! you know as well as anyone else that the catholic church has behaved deplorably in ireland - even ur fucking pope says it
I think given the dismal turnout in the park that Catholicism is dead in Ireland. Not that anyone needs reminding since most people in Ireland only set foot in a church for baptisms, deaths and marriages. Even then they do that because its Irish culture. That turnout is down a whopping 95% since 1979, and don't blame bloody mobility scooters and rain for hells sake I doubt theres more than 20k mobility scooters in the entire country.
Now the reason the media complain is really simple. An organisation which the people support so little that it has just been the victim of a trolling campaign over tickets and coundn't get a half decent turnout had its ass handed to it. That same organisation controls the Irish education system and hospitals. We'll now be taking those back... which means no more health and education budget for the church. As soon as they hear that they will up stick and move, cos they only care about the money. They make money from your delusion...
Time has come now to relinquish the last vestiges of power from these insidious men in frocks, get rid of them, or jail the lot of them, and move on.
I'm generally anti religious, but this bishop is very articulate and incredibly dignified.
How can they be cheering baby deaths
I'm neither pro life or pro choice. But you need to consider WHY people do this. What if a woman was raped? She undergoes so much trauma from it, and is now forced to raise this child. Some of these women are underage, so older than 14. They won't be prepared, and the child will most likely have a miserable life.
@Alle Warten Auf Das Licht God Will Deal Very Harshly With The Evil Sinners Who Hid Behind The One True Faith.☘✝️🇮🇪
Áve María, grátia pléna,
Dóminus técum.
Benedícta tū in muliéribus,
et benedíctus frúctus véntris túi, Iésus.
Sáncta María, Máter Déi,
óra pro nóbis peccatóribus,
nunc et in hóra mórtis nóstrae. Ámen.
BBC stop your negative 👎🏻 Irish coverage and saying things like “over Catholic” like it’s something bad. Look how evil the British empire were to Catholic people in Ireland 🇮🇪 let’s not forget the horrible treatment Britain did it Ireland years ago and stop using catholics as scapegoats.
I think BBC are suggesting it is good thing to be "over catholic", especially as people are waking up to the abuse of this disgusting institution. Btw stop throwing British people under the bus when many people now have do nothing to your country (younger generations) and move on!
Casual watch what you mean nothing to do with it ? Britain stills occupies Northern Ireland have you not noticed ? And all the bloodshed that was caused after ??if they weren’t there it would be a peaceful place without it. So don’t give me that throwing under the bus 🚌 and get over it nonsense.
Many Irish Protestant and Presbyterian nationalists contributed to the Easter Rising. Just look in to archives and libraries. the majority of Protestants were unionist, a significant minority, often young and rebelling against their own parents, were attracted by the revolutionary excitement of radical nationalism and their participation welcomed.
@@keelaeire7491 Presbyterians no Anglicans yes Presbyterians haven't been Republicans since 1798.
@@casualwatch9159 Britain starved Ireland for how many years, look at yourself before you call something “disgusting”.
Saint Patrick pray for the reconvertion of Ireland 🙏
Superstitious people like you are the root of the problem. Pick a name and pray to it.
Let me ask you a question are you a protestant or an atheist?
Saint Patrick is my patron saint! May Ireland grow in faith and come back to the Catholic Church!
I hope so too. I love my country but hopefully we can return
No one ever said growing up is an easy process. Irish people have learned the hard way, people are not always what they pretend to be. A lot of hearts have being broken, lives destroyed, people unable to trust again. People will never again have blind faith in anything, sadly this journey is not complete, there is still many hidden secrets that need to see the light of day. It's only when all these dark secrets a fully faced up to, can the nation move on........stronger and wiser and yes with a heart that carries many scars.
Nonsense they have dumped a faith that kept them alive and replaced it with anal worshiping abortion worshiping and Google slavery
Hail Glorious Roman Catholic Saints And Martyrs Of Éireann.☘✝️🇮🇪
@Alle Warten Auf Das Licht God Will Deal Very Harshly With The Evil Sinners Who Hid Behind The One True Faith And With Your Old Kind Also.☘✝️🇮🇪
@Alle Warten Auf Das Licht You’re deluded mate. Can you provide the source of all you’re allegations?
@Alle Warten Auf Das Licht I’m still looking for proof that those were under the instructions of Pope John Paul || . I’m also wondering about the sources about him being a paedophile as you mentioned .
Ye Are On About Evil Sinner Not Our Great Saints And Martyrs.☘🇮🇪
Lmao I was a student in the public system and you cant ignore what is happening right now in high schools( I'm not victim but people talk between them selves), of course it does not excuse what happened in this case but I hope it gets resolved.
Hope springs eternal.
Imagine your life was sparred due to the sound teaching of the Catholic Church, and you use that life to discredit and defame the Catholic Church
@Alle Warten Auf Das Licht no that’s what you teach
We still have our church Nd evil will never b destroyed whatever the lies media says
Matt M Matt M lmao unthink priest are Gods they are human just like us and unfortunately many or I’ll say the majority of them have been accused falsely just like I’ve witnessed before but they are just like Jesus that the world condemned Him, and please before u judge educate yourself , pure ignorance when people loved to generalize or make assumptions, for example then It’s like saying that all Muslims are terrorists because what is heard from social media but in reality they aren’t same as priests and Catholic Church, educate yourself, and get to know something before you judge and condemn and by the way your none to judge “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.and like I said like or not we stilll have our church and we still have our masses and we still have our pope !!! Ur not even an adult yet please grow up a bit
Ireland, do you really want a culture based on Starbucks and shopping malls? A planned Parenthood in every city? Do you believe that will fulfill you? Pray that the Church will bring justice to those who’ve done evil and return as that shining jewel of Europe.
Yes. Beats the shithole our country was in the past. Our modern nation is amazing and diverse, so open and welcoming. All feel equal and respect eachother. We can all live out lives
You are right that like the rest of the world, Ireland is being increasingly neoliberalised economically speaking, but staying in the chokehold of the Catholic Church would not change this.
@@shanehughes3511 I'd like to understand what being amazing and diverse has to do with legalizing abortion? If anything, you're being contradictory with your own principles in my opinion.
Being diverse doesn't mean hating the Catholic Church, how can you become diverse if you hate the most diverse organized religion in the globe, is being agaist to the Catholic Church your means of being open then most likely thats not being open anymore but rather being close minded in a different angle of society
Ireland was choked by Church, way too much power for church. Sex scandal and killing children, hypocrites
I was there that time he was in a white van or car
Maybe Ireland will reunite now since religion was pretty much the main reason why they stayed divided.
The republic dont care about religion. Religion is still the identity of a lot of the northern Irish. We're quite different now.
Why are people literally crying over the right to abort?
because they were told to by the pope
Celebrating murder. May they never again be allowed children.
Ikr? It's really weird. I just don't get it.
Brainwashed jezebel drones not knowing the abortion agenda was pushed by literal satanic witches. Theyre under a spell and possess no reason or logic or any semblence of a functioning conscience
It sounds like you questioning yourself why am i still alive in this earth? 🙈😆😆
LONG LIVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH! GOD BLESS IRELAND.
The church should of never had such power
Well it did now it doesn't people are angry people are happy nothing ever really changes
@@sodaking6858 lmfao that's really funny
Control freaks.
The church saved the west when the roman empire fell
In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit ... Peter the Roman, (Pope Francis) who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations: and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the terrible judge will judge his people. The End.
STFU The End
Just think pastor Dale if I'd of never did vinny a number me and drew would have kids and everything.
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO CATHOLIC CHURCH EXCOMMUNICATING
DELIBERATE AND UNREPENTANT SINNERS MENTIONED IN SCRIPTURE?
Lamenting thousands of years of neglect and truly mourning a condition that are two differ cannot fix itself or be changed are two different things. The person that is mourning is praying for our Creator’s intervention
Which is the only solution to this for ailing world. He truly wants something and so he is earnestly praying: “Or Father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. (Matt 6:9, 10)
Recall that it only in recent years that Catholics have allowed to read the Scriptures themselves? Since just “ A little leaven ferments the whole lump”
To the a congregation in ancient Corinth a man name Paul wrote: “Remove the wicked man (Including a religious leader) from among yourselves.” (1 Cor. 5:13)
Shouldn’t the laity and clergy and members practicing such behaviors have excommunicated years such ungodly church leaders ago even though it has long been considered the unpopular thing to do.
Those committing such things as Homosexuality Fornication, Adultery, and Child Abuse, Abortion as well as going to War kill to their brothers and sisters and other nations because they pleasure allegiance to many nations that live by the sword.
All such individuals in most cases proved to be unrepentant practicers of sins that have included secret sins.
For centuries false religions and human Judges have winked at the lie and people have condoned it may be painfully slow or even negligent in executing sentence against bad works.
Regrettably during that time of their lack of insight many have been duped by false religion and it’s dressed up lie.
A wise man once wrote: “Because sentence against a bad work has not been executed speedily, that is why the heart of the sons of men has become fully set in them to do bad” (Eccl 8:11)
Because of not being punished for their lawlessness, the wicked think that they are getting away with something and therefore become firmly established in their bad ways.
In this imperfect world many things are seen that could be very disturbing to us. Although a sinner may be doing bad a hundred times and continuing a long time as he pleases, yet I am also aware that it will turn out well with those fearing the true God, because they were in fear of him. But it will not turn out well at all with the wicked one, neither will he prolong his days that are like a shadow, because
In conclusion the laity and clergy and members practicing such behaviors have excommunicated years ago even though it has long considered the unpopular thing to do. It is for this reason that ‘the house that Christendom has built will soon be abandon them’ just as that of ancient Jerusalem.
I am happy I'm not catholic and that my family is not very religious
Sad!
Say That When You Reach Hell.☘✝️🇮🇪
CHURCH = TALL SHIP CONSTRUCTION
A lot of young people are done with it like myself and it’s for the better. The church is a corrupt joke
Ye Will Burn In Hell Forever In The Next Life.☘✝️🇮🇪
AULD LANG SYNE
NEW IRELAND #ARIGHTTOCHOICE
where are all the choir boys the pope has needs
No, no pope of Rome, no chapels to sadden my eyes, no nuns & no priests, no rosary beads & every day will be like the 12th of July.
Protestant bigot thick Loyalist.
i follow jesus not church so how bad the inside the church i dont care
still u make donations everytime you go and pray in that place so basically in someway you do care
And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
St Peter On This Rock I Shall Build My Church.☘✝️🇮🇪
Turns out about 130k Catholics turned up to see Frankie, average age was over 50. That must have been a rather somber trip back to Rome for Frankie! Whats the bets he was crying into his chalice all the way home? With those numbers and given their record in Ireland they should be classified as a cult.
The apologists even tried to claim the rain, and nobody allowed to attend on a mobility scooter was the cause of the dismal attendence! Like they actually claimed they rely on the mobility scooter generation! The rain didn't put off the thousands protesting though did it? the turnout was about 2.7% of the population, in a country where the Phoenix Park is no more than 50 miles from most of the population. Thats a decrease in 35 years of roughly 95% in terms of attendance. I think we can now safely conclude the catholic reign of terror is over!
Then they insisted that the media were obsessed with the number that turned out. Well fucking hell yeah they are obsessed, its a relevant piece of information given this bunch of deluded money grabbers currently run the Irish education system.... they used to claim that this was because the entire country was catholic....well whats their excuse now?
As it turns out there are now more fucking Jedi's in Ireland than catholics attended this mass. I'd be pretty sure the children of Ireland would much rather be educated by the Jedi than the Jesuits! That way they would get a light sabre rather than a priests sausage!
So that's goodbye to the catholic church in Ireland. Goodbye nonsense vending, human trafficking, immoral, mob of pedo's and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!
Trust a Derry man to bring up the crimes of the Brits in ANY conversation. These Derry wans are a broken record!
Bishop McKeown is not from Derry Hazel
He’s right though?
"People know what happened in Magdalene laundries", the female speaker says. They don't. The government's official McAleese report found that the lurid history contained in a film like the Magdalaen Sisters was not reality. They were not pleasant places, but they were often places for women who had nowhere else to go, and the nuns who ran them did their best in difficult circumstances.
Say that to the people who where in there. See what their response will be.
james smith whenever there is a possibility of compensation there are no shortage of horror stories. Plenty of women who were there have defended the nuns. Read the report, or even the summary.
The women had nowhere to go because the Church had shamed them out of society. Where do single mothers go now?
more church propaganda revisionist history. you need to take a long look in the mirror. I believe those women over you or any of the church filth any day.
maybe you can call me a liar too while ur at it. I witnessed 2 different so-called 'christian' brothers feel up students when i was in school
get the fuck out of my face and take ur broken religion with you
What on earth are you talking about? Thats utter nonsense. Those nun run laundries were basically prisons where women were incarcerated without charge, without any court, and for no crime. They were even referred to as inmates and offenders. Their crimes of being pregnant seen as immoral. Even today in 2018 the church have the same idea that somehow procreation should be controlled by them and anyone not obeying their rules is immoral. They created the culture, then they set it up so that they had a steady flow of babies for sale, and it wasn't just the 20th century, they are still at it right now worldwide.... its pretty likely they have been doing it since inception.
This crazy idea that they didn't know any better, or they were operating under extreme pressure is lunacy at best. But good luck convincing yourself of that. The rest of us will see these scams to breed and sell babies at a profit for what they are.
This is like listening to the idea that money given to the church goes to 'helping poor black babies in Africa' ... remember that bullshit? Well no all that happened there is the church moved into Africa alright, but not to help, instead to fleece those people out of what little money they had too. The church feeds off the poor, thats where its wealth originates.
This is a crazy and completely transparent attempt to frame a crime against humanity as if it was some sort of desperate attempt to help matters. No is was not! It was a contrived and organised plan to make money using humans as the raw materials,
Cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuntttttttt BBC
How could anyone that claims to love Jesus Christ have anything to do with the Catholic Church?
Becaus Jesus left the church as he said to Peter “And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
It's The One True Faith.☘✝️🇮🇪
The very people who condemn the Catholic church for child abuse at the same time vote for abortion as they did in the Irish referendum which is the worst child abuse possible.They also voted for gay marriage which means that a poor child has to be brought up by two mem having sex together!
Exactly! Here's what's troubling to me: the Irish can smell the very stink of the secular world. Yet they seem to be saying, "We want to slide into the sewer, too."
The worst child abuse possible is that which was committed and covered up by the church.
Stephen Diggines they voted to control their own lives and not be subservient to the worlds biggest pedo ring
Pat Aherne I’m an atheist, but sometimes I hope I’m wrong, and these evil priests are suffering in unimaginable ways.
Pat Aherne sadly I don’t think He will. There are no Gods, so we must thrive for justice on earth.