People need to take a look at what blancolirio has said about this crash. Everyone is chiming in like an expert. I am not. I'll defer to people who really know what they are talking about.
Lol ..like the saboteur would leave obvious signs! Not saying it is but don't assume it is not either. I would start with what is REALLY in the cargo. If it's supply for some component for the Ukraine war, then it is likely sabotage.
No. The pilot mishandled the approach. Fast and high, then a high rate of decent to compensate. It was 5am. The most common time for mistakes. Nothing to see here folks.
Blancolerio likely has it somewhat figured out... Either slat assymitry, or an improperly configured aircraft during approach.... Watching one of the video clips, it's obvious the right wing stalled resulting in the right wing striking the ground...
Thank you for the update Dan. It’s truly amazing that anyone lived through that crash. It does definitely seem that a lot of holes in the Swiss cheese are lining up. Keep up the excellent work. Safe skies, my friend 🇺🇸🛩️
The possibility of Fatigue being a factor I’d like to know if the wing/Eng Anti-Ice switches were on and functioning properly. Nose fell through and wing dropped off pretty hard. Almost curious of a tail/wing stall. Just curious if Icing will be a factor.
@@Therearethings8148 They got localizer but never got glide slope. They didn't report it and based on data were below. Granted we don't know what the airplane showed, but by available data they had some problems there.
NO! This crash was most likely to be fatigue related. The only real way to know is to wait for the transcripts of the black box data. Looking at the adsb data and the flight plans, as explained by Jaun Browne of Blancolirio fame, it looks fairly clear. Coupled with the readback errors and final wrong frequency on the radio, the holes in the swiss cheese were lined up perfectly without any need for outside intervention.
Blancolirio published another video on this crash yesterday. He received a photo taken at the crashsite showing a slat actuator with a peace of slat on it. It was in the full retracted position. Now we must be careful to judge on this, because it could have been the impact that caused the actuator to be slammed back into the retracted position. However if not, than there would have been something wrong since the slats (and flaps) ought to be extended on short final, for the landing.
I am really surprised of your speculation as to what happened. Great to know of turmoil in the EU, Russia, and other geopolitical events but there are so many other more plausable explanations. They were on an unstabilized approach from the get-go. Time will tell............
the thing is, the claim that it is Russian Sabotage sounds in no way extraordinary... I have no trouble believing it in todays world I have some issues with how technically possible such an act would be for the Russians to accomplish (which is why I do not as of now believe in the Sabotage theory to be likely), but, it certainly would be the kind of thing they would do, it totally fits their Modus Operandi...
My question pertains to the "black boxes' recording of data. When a command is initiated to the aircraft, such as flaps up , is there a return signal acknowledging flaps up and is such recorded in the black box?IOW a feedback loop.
Great video Dan. I made a video in my Aviation News series about this crash and I’ll make an update with the final results soon. Hope it wasn’t sabotaged! 😮
Hello Matt, I knew at the beginning of your video you confessed that there were “other” reviews of this shotgun, but in all honesty, your review, and evaluation surpasses all others! Several years ago I contemplated purchasing a 525SL, but I am more traditional in my tastes to stay with the look of solid wood furniture! Great review as always! Michael P.
Oooops! ! You are correct, as a Retired ATP with over 19,000 hours and having spent a good deal of that time in the same facet of the industry, I know how challenging this type of flying can be! My take on this one is human error combined with an unexpected mechanical issue……a poor “unstabilized” approach in low IFR conditions!
As you say lots of holes in the cheese. My very first thought was pilots behind the aircraft. Significantly fast, overshot the final turn, late to establish, never seemed to be on a stabilized approach, questionable radio communication, issue seemed to materialize as soon as they broke out of the clouds. Video angles make it hard to tell the exact aircraft attitude, but I am betting they pulled the power back too far to slowdown and by the time they broke out and had visual, they were too low, too slow and too late to add power to arrest the descent. Although admittedly this would take significant errors on both the pilot flying and the pilot monitoring.
I don't think so. You are saying they stalled the airplane, but their speed was excessive all the way to the ground. They didn't stall, they simply flew the airplane into the ground.
@@Flies2FLL I didn't say they stalled and I don't think the video supports a stall, however they could have easily pulled the power back too far (not necessarily to idle) and still kept the speed up in the descent and when they broke out and realized they were short they just didn't have enough altitude and time to spool the engines back up. As I said in my original post I don't see how both the pilot flying and pilot monitoring both allowed this approach to go so horribly wrong, however history has shown us that a crash in this phase of flight is ALMOST always pilot error. At this point it's ALL complete speculation on my part, however I have serious doubts that an incendiary device had anything to do with this crash. Hopefully the recorders can shed some light on what actually happened.
...not really, they came in very hot at IAF and base turn, overshot localizer, yet the approach was stabilized at the 1000ft AGL gate, according to ADSB data. The plane started diving upon pilot disconnect at or just before DH when they broke the low ceiling. Too early to say what the root cause was, yet IMHO the miscommunication with ATC is not the cause. Maybe out of trim situation ?
@@--KP- I respectfully disagree-- "Clickbait" means to present thumbnail and title that offers something not found in the video. My thumb/title raises the question of sabotage. My video goes and looks at the evidence on the liklihood of sabotage.
'Let's have a look at the evidence'..... ? There is no 'nitty gritty'. Wait for the investigation, and preliminary report, or better still, final report.
It's completely fair to look at an in-progress investigation from what we know so far. Back in the 70s, when I grew up, we had _none_ of the abilities we have today, and so we'd never hear of _anything_ until many months or years later, when the authorities deigned to grace us with their 'definitive' results and we'd get a dull, staid piece to camera on the 9 o'clock news.
A false glide slope is a non-prescribed glide slope that can be detected by an aircraft's instrument landing system (ILS). False glide slopes can be caused by radio waves reflected by objects below 5,000 feet above ground level (AGL). They can appear at odd multiples of the true glide slope angle, such as 9°, 15°, or 21° if the main glide slope is at 3°. Capturing a false glide slope can cause unexpected aircraft behavior, such as: Loss
True, but if you follow a glideslope that suddenly tells you to descend rapidly when you have the airport in sight then you are an idiot. They descended into VFR conditions and THEN rapidly pitched over; Your assertion is incorrect. Unless they were drunk or distracted.....
3 living crewmembers and a black box will tell us alot but looking at the video, it just looks like a rapid pitching movement happened just before impact. I wonder if (after overshooting the capture of the localizer AND perhaps abrupt pitching to intercept the glideslope) the cargo SHIFTED and changed the weight and balance ENOUGH to alter stall speeds / control at the slower approach speed.
Didn't mention the pilot watches instruments only while copilot is the one watching for breaking out of the clouds for telling the pilot runway in sight. With the handoff being so close to final the guy watching for the ground/copilot distracted by changing freq and trying to raise tower then the pilot jumping in reducing seeing the ground and watching instruments oops.
No one is talking about that the cargo could be de attached…. That is a MAJOR PROBLEM back to your head… and from my point of view this could cause the DITCH of the plane to the ground… this situation happened 2004 to a 747 on Afganisthan….
At 05:40, when you mention, with rolling eyes, that the Kremlin denies any such suggestions, and you then add your "of course they do", you showed your ignorance and bias. That was the point where you lost me completely. You personally have no proof of any Russian involvement, yet you roll your eyes as though you do. I'm a Westerner myself, but my eyes are not closed to the evils of my own Western government and system. And no, I am not a Russian bot, as so many of you now would want to claim I am.
_You personally have no proof of any Russian involvement_ I personally have no proof of WWII ever happening, either. I was not there. You? Ok, then we can call WWII a myth as well. We know that the current Russian government is doing underhanded things. Salisbury poisoning. Ukraine. Undersea cables cut by a ship with a Russian captain ... nice "accident". Of course the Kremlin will deny any involvement! They will deny it no matter if there was involvement or if there was no involvement. So "of course they do" deny involvement, but that means nothing at all, hence eye roll. _I'm a Westerner myself_ is exactly what _a Russian bot_ would say, too. Just like the Kremlin. Possibly without even lying ... depending on the definition of Westerner. The Baltic Sea is very West in relation to Russia. The lady doth protest too much, methinks. And the "look at the evils of others" is a typical song sung by Russian trolls. A song of cyber warfare. Russia seems to have a problem with people walking through windows and falling to death, or getting poisoned by novichok, or poked by an umbrella, or served deadly tea ...
no, visibility was not "zero", far away! 9999 means visibility greater than 10kms! ovc008 meams overcast at 800 ft above threshold/airport. thats 4x of what you need for a conventional CAT 1 approach. Or 500 ft would be more than double. this are absolutely easy conditions combined with a nice headwind for landing. thats fact! I dont speculate about what the hot approach and the subsequent misunderstanding on frequency change to tower sparked combined with fatigue and complacency/routine. we will see.
They were cleared the ILS-approach, but do we know if they actually flew the ILS-approch? Could be that they flew the RNP-approach for 19. ILS spoofing is not that easy. GPS spoofing is relatively easy. It should also be noted that EYVI is quite close to the Belarusian Border! Let's wait for the investigation !
There is no valid place for anti Russia rhetoric in this discussion. This is not an objective examination of facts. Suspicion and speculation fueled by ideological belief should be reserved for other venues.
I don't believe there was any sabotage. In any event this guy is free to speak whatever he wants even if it is low probibality. Or are you one of the types that wish to censor or shut down opposing or uncomfortable speech? I mean, you did click on a video with 'sabotage' in the title.... You do realize you are on TH-cam.
No .. he came in on the downwind 50 kt too fast at nearly 300 knots then over shot the final approach as a result . He locked onto the localiser ok but undershot the glide slope then realized he was about to hit the ground so pitched up nearly 30 degrees which stalled the plane and it then pitched down into the deck .. There are videos around showing these events .. no conspiracy . Blancolira explains it well .. he's a 777 pilot
Might be they deployed spoilers to slow down and forgot or had them armed already and hit them by accident. Glideslope looked ok then got steeper so they stalled it obviously just not sure how. Chopping the power down low or in the clag would be a dumb move and very risky but also possible.
You're pretty far out over your skis here with that headline. It is WAY too early to determine a cause. This kind of reporting is just wrong and misleading. Let the accident investigators do their work and determine what happened.
And why had they not "been put out"? No flaps set? Flaps retraced to 0° or 1° --- on approach? Uncommanded slat extension causing them to be isolated? That is the question, and the next question is, why? Pilot error? Mechanical failure? Maybe because of tampering? We don't know yet.
I do not think it was sabotage too tired crew with get there i'titiste they should of done a go-around and reset for a clean landing using the full length of the runway.
Frankly, I think they were hand flying and then got distracted by the fact that they couldn't contact tower. They let the plane fly into the ground as a result. I see this same thing among drivers every day in Fort Lauderdale where I live; Half the time at stoplights I have to beep my horn to get the butteater in front of me to look away from their god damn phone......
Spoofing a glideslope signal is much, much easier than spoofing a GPS signal. And there is heavy GPS jamming and GPS spoofing in the whole region. Now, if would try out ILS spoofing, you would naturally pick a cargo plane and not a fully loaded passenger plane. If you just want to demonstrate that you can do it, you do it at daytime in good visibility with a crew that appears to be ahead of the plane and move the signal up. If you want to do it "successfully", you do it at nighttime with poor visibility and with a crew that is way behind the airplane and move it down. To do ILS spoofing, the airplane has to be locked on the glideslope. Manipulating the glideslope signal before interception may cause the plane to miss the signal or the pilots noticing it. And you need to turn it on gradually. According to a paper that I saw, the manipulation causes an unsteady glideslope indication. And what do we have? A plane that deviated downward from the glideslope in a slightly unsteady slope. Can you prove it? Only indirectly with the recording of the airplane and a report by the pilot. The trandsucer itself can be tiny. A glideslope signal is to my knowledge 5W. You can put it anywhere. And this makes it optimal to keep plausible deniability.
So you're giving potential terrorists all they need to know... Author Dale Brown back in the early 90s wrote a book called Storming Heaven, where a terrorist group was flying planes into stationary targets, including the white house. I guess Osama Bin Laden read it and used the basic idea in 9/11. Point is some things are better unprinted because terrorists aren't all dumb. They use social media, too.
@mr.ginnationfunlifestyle3891 - This was clearly due to poor crew coordination and poor communications between the crew and ATC. Only the tinfoil hat wearing community, given the facts about this crash, would even consider sabotage as a cause.
@@HH-mw4sq Another one who has come to cry about the Russians. The Russians have committed so many atrocities that it is not surprising that they are suspected in every case. Although there was probably really no sabotage here.
@CapStar362 - Listen to the publicly available audio of the communications between the crew and ATC. That should help you remove your tinfoil hat and immediately discard any notion of sabotage.
I'm living in a different world (Canada actually) and tensions are high everywhere in 2024. But 'sabotage' of a cargo flight is 'high on the list of probable causes? I've been involved (on the Regulator side) on a number of (rotorcraft) investg'ns. Listing any & all possible causes / contributors / unknown-variables are a 1st step to planning an investig'n; and all get due att'n. But putting sabotageb as "high on the list" of investg'n paths doesn't sound right -- and I'm the one believing in 'Sasquatch' and 'pod-people'.
@@TakingOff My bad @TakingOff; I apologize for the ambiguous comment. Yes, the position in your vid is exactly the pos'n you repeat here and there wasn't ambiguity. But like many Engineers math is my mother tongue and I failed to distinguish your clear pos'n on the prob'lty of sabotage from individuals w/ inflated sabotage concerns based only on "the chaos-crowd loves aviation-tragedies". (Won't happen next time.) (edit: Sasquatch lives!
People need to take a look at what blancolirio has said about this crash. Everyone is chiming in like an expert. I am not. I'll defer to people who really know what they are talking about.
That picture, if real, starts to paint a clear picture. I’m very interested in seeing what was said in the cockpit and what is and isn’t said.
@@Chellz801 better question is: what was recorded on FDR.
Oh God, let's make this clear the flaps were not extended, slats not deployed, the non drama aviation TH-camrs are revealing the truth on this crash
There have been no signs of sabotage on the aircraft
Lol ..like the saboteur would leave obvious signs!
Not saying it is but don't assume it is not either.
I would start with what is REALLY in the cargo.
If it's supply for some component for the Ukraine war, then it is likely sabotage.
Apparently flaps were fully retracted during the landing, seems like a pilot mistake.
Unless the slats (not flaps) were only retracted on one side; just before impact the plane seems to roll, some say.
No. The pilot mishandled the approach. Fast and high, then a high rate of decent to compensate. It was 5am. The most common time for mistakes.
Nothing to see here folks.
I would agree. I also work at night and its the worst time. I has some relations with the cortisol household
Blancolerio likely has it somewhat figured out... Either slat assymitry, or an improperly configured aircraft during approach.... Watching one of the video clips, it's obvious the right wing stalled resulting in the right wing striking the ground...
Thank you for the update Dan. It’s truly amazing that anyone lived through that crash. It does definitely seem that a lot of holes in the Swiss cheese are lining up. Keep up the excellent work. Safe skies, my friend 🇺🇸🛩️
The possibility of Fatigue being a factor I’d like to know if the wing/Eng Anti-Ice switches were on and functioning properly.
Nose fell through and wing dropped off pretty hard. Almost curious of a tail/wing stall. Just curious if Icing will be a factor.
Possible.
@ Thank you for all of the great videos. Awesome!
if you hear closely the ATC, I would say that the ATC said "cleared to 2700 feet..." and the pilot said 2500 feet. I may be wrong...
I hear the same. I've listened dozens of times and the pilot says 2500.
Possibly, but that was certainly not the reason. Find out what ILS is!
@@Therearethings8148
They got localizer but never got glide slope. They didn't report it and based on data were below. Granted we don't know what the airplane showed, but by available data they had some problems there.
As well as the spanish pilot confirmed a wrong tower frequency! This is why nobody could reach him by radio!
I hear him saying 2300.
NO! This crash was most likely to be fatigue related. The only real way to know is to wait for the transcripts of the black box data.
Looking at the adsb data and the flight plans, as explained by Jaun Browne of Blancolirio fame, it looks fairly clear. Coupled with the readback errors and final wrong frequency on the radio, the holes in the swiss cheese were lined up perfectly without any need for outside intervention.
Blancolirio published another video on this crash yesterday. He received a photo taken at the crashsite showing a slat actuator with a peace of slat on it. It was in the full retracted position. Now we must be careful to judge on this, because it could have been the impact that caused the actuator to be slammed back into the retracted position. However if not, than there would have been something wrong since the slats (and flaps) ought to be extended on short final, for the landing.
I am really surprised of your speculation as to what happened. Great to know of turmoil in the EU, Russia, and other geopolitical events but there are so many other more plausable explanations. They were on an unstabilized approach from the get-go. Time will tell............
I didn't really speculate but laid out all the possibles, with sabotage being a real but unlikely cause.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. - James Bond
An extraordinary pilot never needs to resort to extraordinary skills to get out of an extraordinary situation.
the thing is, the claim that it is Russian Sabotage sounds in no way extraordinary... I have no trouble believing it in todays world
I have some issues with how technically possible such an act would be for the Russians to accomplish (which is why I do not as of now believe in the Sabotage theory to be likely), but, it certainly would be the kind of thing they would do, it totally fits their Modus Operandi...
Carl Sagan said that, not James Bond.
And he used the word "evidence", not "proof".
@@andyhughes1776it was just a joke man…
@@Av-vd3wkHow would ANYONE know that from the comment itself?
No inflections, no subtle indications as in real life conversation.
My question pertains to the "black boxes' recording of data. When a command is initiated to the aircraft, such as flaps up , is there a return signal acknowledging flaps up and is such recorded in the black box?IOW a feedback loop.
Blancolirio is talking today about a possible failure of the slats system ..
Great video Dan. I made a video in my Aviation News series about this crash and I’ll make an update with the final results soon. Hope it wasn’t sabotaged! 😮
Hello Matt,
I knew at the beginning of your video you confessed that there were “other” reviews of this shotgun, but in all honesty, your review, and evaluation surpasses all others! Several years ago I contemplated purchasing a 525SL, but I am more traditional in my tastes to stay with the look of solid wood furniture! Great review as always!
Michael P.
Humm, it seems you posted this comment for a different video. I noticed that happened to someone on another video I watched yesterday.
Oooops! ! You are correct, as a Retired ATP with over 19,000 hours and having spent a good deal of that time in the same facet of the industry, I know how challenging this type of flying can be! My take on this one is human error combined with an unexpected mechanical issue……a poor “unstabilized” approach in low IFR conditions!
As you say lots of holes in the cheese.
My very first thought was pilots behind the aircraft.
Significantly fast, overshot the final turn, late to establish, never seemed to be on a stabilized approach, questionable radio communication, issue seemed to materialize as soon as they broke out of the clouds.
Video angles make it hard to tell the exact aircraft attitude, but I am betting they pulled the power back too far to slowdown and by the time they broke out and had visual, they were too low, too slow and too late to add power to arrest the descent. Although admittedly this would take significant errors on both the pilot flying and the pilot monitoring.
I agree with you.
I don't think so. You are saying they stalled the airplane, but their speed was excessive all the way to the ground. They didn't stall, they simply flew the airplane into the ground.
@@Flies2FLL I never said they stalled. Never even suggested it, for the reasons you mention above.
@@Flies2FLL I didn't say they stalled and I don't think the video supports a stall, however they could have easily pulled the power back too far (not necessarily to idle) and still kept the speed up in the descent and when they broke out and realized they were short they just didn't have enough altitude and time to spool the engines back up.
As I said in my original post I don't see how both the pilot flying and pilot monitoring both allowed this approach to go so horribly wrong, however history has shown us that a crash in this phase of flight is ALMOST always pilot error.
At this point it's ALL complete speculation on my part, however I have serious doubts that an incendiary device had anything to do with this crash.
Hopefully the recorders can shed some light on what actually happened.
...not really, they came in very hot at IAF and base turn, overshot localizer, yet the approach was stabilized at the 1000ft AGL gate, according to ADSB data. The plane started diving upon pilot disconnect at or just before DH when they broke the low ceiling. Too early to say what the root cause was, yet IMHO the miscommunication with ATC is not the cause. Maybe out of trim situation ?
Click Bait headline. it should read: SABOTAGE? NOT LIKELY. Your words.
I wrote Sabotage? with a question mark. Pretty accurate on what I deliver- I research the question of Sabotage and present my findings.
yeah I agree but that is par for the course with most content creators just downvote and move on
@@TakingOff That's literally the definition of clickbait. You're leading with a question you know is incorrect.
Clickbait confirmed
@@--KP- I respectfully disagree-- "Clickbait" means to present thumbnail and title that offers something not found in the video. My thumb/title raises the question of sabotage. My video goes and looks at the evidence on the liklihood of sabotage.
Can you imagine that planes crash even without SABOTAGE?
'Let's have a look at the evidence'..... ? There is no 'nitty gritty'. Wait for the investigation, and preliminary report, or better still, final report.
It's completely fair to look at an in-progress investigation from what we know so far. Back in the 70s, when I grew up, we had _none_ of the abilities we have today, and so we'd never hear of _anything_ until many months or years later, when the authorities deigned to grace us with their 'definitive' results and we'd get a dull, staid piece to camera on the 9 o'clock news.
Some people really, really, want it to be sabotage. Let's put it like that.
True
Amazing survivors !! Just incredible
A false glide slope is a non-prescribed glide slope that can be detected by an aircraft's instrument landing system (ILS). False glide slopes can be caused by radio waves reflected by objects below 5,000 feet above ground level (AGL). They can appear at odd multiples of the true glide slope angle, such as 9°, 15°, or 21° if the main glide slope is at 3°.
Capturing a false glide slope can cause unexpected aircraft behavior, such as: Loss
True, but if you follow a glideslope that suddenly tells you to descend rapidly when you have the airport in sight then you are an idiot. They descended into VFR conditions and THEN rapidly pitched over; Your assertion is incorrect. Unless they were drunk or distracted.....
2:53 Wonder why the video is clipped a bit here? It goes from the plane just going out of control to the explosion already happening.
Missing a good 7 seconds of video from the elapsed time.
TH-cam slaps the channel if we show the actual crash.
@@TakingOff Appreciate the reply. Thank you! (Although it's unfortunate that TH-cam is becoming pretty much useless.)
Good morning from Minnesota. Great recap
3 living crewmembers and a black box will tell us alot but looking at the video, it just looks like a rapid pitching movement happened just before impact. I wonder if (after overshooting the capture of the localizer AND perhaps abrupt pitching to intercept the glideslope) the cargo SHIFTED and changed the weight and balance ENOUGH to alter stall speeds / control at the slower approach speed.
Did you check if and what work was done on this aircraft's horizontal stabilizer assembly and controls in Leipzig? No? Why not?
Funny how Russia comes up, but not the group of people who have a well-documented use of this tactic 🤔
But other people have an agenda, you see.
3/4 mile..approach looks low imho...
Didn't mention the pilot watches instruments only while copilot is the one watching for breaking out of the clouds for telling the pilot runway in sight. With the handoff being so close to final the guy watching for the ground/copilot distracted by changing freq and trying to raise tower then the pilot jumping in reducing seeing the ground and watching instruments oops.
There’s pictures of the actuators for the slats were retracted
Blancolirio
You need to credit blancolirio for that.
05:30am.. Im a night person.. But do make mistakes if stay up after 3am.
Is ILS spoofing a possibility?
On board package sending out a stronger radio signal than the airport, shortening the glide-slope etc
No one is talking about that the cargo could be de attached…. That is a MAJOR PROBLEM back to your head… and from my point of view this could cause the DITCH of the plane to the ground… this situation happened 2004 to a 747 on Afganisthan….
Did you know, that the word "sabotage" is french and was invented, as french workers threw their wooden shoes (sabots) into a machine to jam it?
At 05:40, when you mention, with rolling eyes, that the Kremlin denies any such suggestions, and you then add your "of course they do", you showed your ignorance and bias. That was the point where you lost me completely. You personally have no proof of any Russian involvement, yet you roll your eyes as though you do. I'm a Westerner myself, but my eyes are not closed to the evils of my own Western government and system. And no, I am not a Russian bot, as so many of you now would want to claim I am.
_You personally have no proof of any Russian involvement_
I personally have no proof of WWII ever happening, either. I was not there. You? Ok, then we can call WWII a myth as well.
We know that the current Russian government is doing underhanded things. Salisbury poisoning. Ukraine. Undersea cables cut by a ship with a Russian captain ... nice "accident".
Of course the Kremlin will deny any involvement! They will deny it no matter if there was involvement or if there was no involvement. So "of course they do" deny involvement, but that means nothing at all, hence eye roll.
_I'm a Westerner myself_ is exactly what _a Russian bot_ would say, too. Just like the Kremlin. Possibly without even lying ... depending on the definition of Westerner. The Baltic Sea is very West in relation to Russia.
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
And the "look at the evils of others" is a typical song sung by Russian trolls. A song of cyber warfare. Russia seems to have a problem with people walking through windows and falling to death, or getting poisoned by novichok, or poked by an umbrella, or served deadly tea ...
Sabotage??? The guy came in really hot + poor ELP level to start with... self-sabotage maybe...
I noticed on the camera footage that the aircraft did a near 90 degree right roll, just prior to impact.
One of the surviving crew members at the hospital said no sabotage
I haven't heard that (but certainly possible). Do you have a link?
Which means "I did not observe anything that looked like it was/could be sabotage", not "there was no sabotage".
no, visibility was not "zero", far away! 9999 means visibility greater than 10kms! ovc008 meams overcast at 800 ft above threshold/airport. thats 4x of what you need for a conventional CAT 1 approach. Or 500 ft would be more than double. this are absolutely easy conditions combined with a nice headwind for landing. thats fact!
I dont speculate about what the hot approach and the subsequent misunderstanding on frequency change to tower sparked combined with fatigue and complacency/routine. we will see.
Hasn't one of the surviving crew already dismissed the sabotage theory?
Not at time of this report
The CVR from one thousand feet in should tell the investigators a lot.
They were cleared the ILS-approach, but do we know if they actually flew the ILS-approch?
Could be that they flew the RNP-approach for 19.
ILS spoofing is not that easy. GPS spoofing is relatively easy. It should also be noted that EYVI is quite close to the Belarusian Border!
Let's wait for the investigation !
There is no valid place for anti Russia rhetoric in this discussion. This is not an objective examination of facts. Suspicion and speculation fueled by ideological belief should be reserved for other venues.
I don't believe there was any sabotage. In any event this guy is free to speak whatever he wants even if it is low probibality. Or are you one of the types that wish to censor or shut down opposing or uncomfortable speech? I mean, you did click on a video with 'sabotage' in the title.... You do realize you are on TH-cam.
It reminds me of ‘The Die’ Hard movie, where they crash planes by hacking into the ILS.
Are there any official interviews with the surviving pilot yet? If not, wait with wild speculations.
Very nice preliminary analysis on your part, and thank you for referencing bBancolerio, Juan Brown is an incredible source for info and analysis !
This video does not say "What Brought Down the DHL 737 Vilnius"
oh, you know this was coming. my guess is that gravity played a major role in the cause.
No .. he came in on the downwind 50 kt too fast at nearly 300 knots then over shot the final approach as a result . He locked onto the localiser ok but undershot the glide slope then realized he was about to hit the ground so pitched up nearly 30 degrees which stalled the plane and it then pitched down into the deck .. There are videos around showing these events .. no conspiracy . Blancolira explains it well .. he's a 777 pilot
Might be they deployed spoilers to slow down and forgot or had them armed already and hit them by accident. Glideslope looked ok then got steeper so they stalled it obviously just not sure how. Chopping the power down low or in the clag would be a dumb move and very risky but also possible.
You're pretty far out over your skis here with that headline. It is WAY too early to determine a cause. This kind of reporting is just wrong and misleading. Let the accident investigators do their work and determine what happened.
Thanks for sharing this video and information. Thumbs up 👍
Thanks Clarence.
Let's all wait for the FDR and CVR reports. The facts are all there.
Scary stuff
its more interesting to look at who benefits from blaming Russia
Good way for Russia to benefit, though.
Let's wait and see what exactly happened.
The slats had not been put out.
And why had they not "been put out"? No flaps set? Flaps retraced to 0° or 1° --- on approach? Uncommanded slat extension causing them to be isolated?
That is the question, and the next question is, why? Pilot error? Mechanical failure? Maybe because of tampering? We don't know yet.
I do not think it was sabotage too tired crew with get there i'titiste they should of done a go-around and reset for a clean landing using the full length of the runway.
American transportation board is now global instead of national.
They were blaming the Russians
Pati stipriausia versija- neišleisti užsparniai, taigi- pilotavimo klaida. Ir, gali būti, kad ne vienintelė.
Russia russia russia...lol
RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA!
It never stops. Give me a break!
ah yes, even here the ukraine bots are talking bs.
Frankly, I think they were hand flying and then got distracted by the fact that they couldn't contact tower. They let the plane fly into the ground as a result.
I see this same thing among drivers every day in Fort Lauderdale where I live; Half the time at stoplights I have to beep my horn to get the butteater in front of me to look away from their god damn phone......
Mentioning Bearbock as a valid source shows that you Mr. have no clue
We don't know, so lets speculate! 🙄
We are humans, thats why.
being a boeing product, it could be "pre sabotaged"............
It's a 737, from a time where Boeing actually made solid products, when engineers, not beancounters, ran the show.
exspecially
Spoofing a glideslope signal is much, much easier than spoofing a GPS signal. And there is heavy GPS jamming and GPS spoofing in the whole region.
Now, if would try out ILS spoofing, you would naturally pick a cargo plane and not a fully loaded passenger plane. If you just want to demonstrate that you can do it, you do it at daytime in good visibility with a crew that appears to be ahead of the plane and move the signal up. If you want to do it "successfully", you do it at nighttime with poor visibility and with a crew that is way behind the airplane and move it down.
To do ILS spoofing, the airplane has to be locked on the glideslope. Manipulating the glideslope signal before interception may cause the plane to miss the signal or the pilots noticing it. And you need to turn it on gradually. According to a paper that I saw, the manipulation causes an unsteady glideslope indication. And what do we have? A plane that deviated downward from the glideslope in a slightly unsteady slope.
Can you prove it? Only indirectly with the recording of the airplane and a report by the pilot. The trandsucer itself can be tiny. A glideslope signal is to my knowledge 5W. You can put it anywhere. And this makes it optimal to keep plausible deniability.
So you're giving potential terrorists all they need to know... Author Dale Brown back in the early 90s wrote a book called Storming Heaven, where a terrorist group was flying planes into stationary targets, including the white house. I guess Osama Bin Laden read it and used the basic idea in 9/11. Point is some things are better unprinted because terrorists aren't all dumb. They use social media, too.
👍✅ Keeping it real and BS free Dan👏 Tks
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There was no sabotage, so please stop that nonsense. This aircraft crashed due to a combined incompetence of the crew and ATC.
Nonsense is what your are saying. How do you know? Everything is possible right now in this state of Investigation. Right?
@mr.ginnationfunlifestyle3891 - This was clearly due to poor crew coordination and poor communications between the crew and ATC. Only the tinfoil hat wearing community, given the facts about this crash, would even consider sabotage as a cause.
@@HH-mw4sq Another one who has come to cry about the Russians. The Russians have committed so many atrocities that it is not surprising that they are suspected in every case. Although there was probably really no sabotage here.
who explicitly stated this with evidence to support? The investigation is ongoing.
@CapStar362 - Listen to the publicly available audio of the communications between the crew and ATC. That should help you remove your tinfoil hat and immediately discard any notion of sabotage.
NO SLATS AIRCRAFT STALLED THATS WHY THE RIGHT WING DIPPED
I think they just found the passport of Putin near the crash site.
I'm living in a different world (Canada actually) and tensions are high everywhere in 2024. But 'sabotage' of a cargo flight is 'high on the list of probable causes?
I've been involved (on the Regulator side) on a number of (rotorcraft) investg'ns. Listing any & all possible causes / contributors / unknown-variables are a 1st step to planning an investig'n; and all get due att'n. But putting sabotageb as "high on the list" of investg'n paths doesn't sound right -- and I'm the one believing in 'Sasquatch' and 'pod-people'.
Im actually saying after going through what evidence we have, sabotage is on the list but low probability.
@@TakingOff My bad @TakingOff; I apologize for the ambiguous comment. Yes, the position in your vid is exactly the pos'n you repeat here and there wasn't ambiguity.
But like many Engineers math is my mother tongue and I failed to distinguish your clear pos'n on the prob'lty of sabotage from individuals w/ inflated sabotage concerns based only on "the chaos-crowd loves aviation-tragedies".
(Won't happen next time.)
(edit: Sasquatch lives!
@@MikeC_CdnEng LOL, for an Engineer, your response is incredibly eloquent!
That was the worst controller in history~
There is photo's of one of the LE slat actuators in a closed position
Idiot Theory.... wath kind of things on the flight?
Not really lol
No. Not sabotage. Shameful clickbait.
No sabotage. Stop click baiting.
So many lies here ..
MI5 bullshit.
oh no! not the Russkies again, groan
Hmmmm. CIA/Mossad Pagers onboard?
Or a shipment of Diddy's massage oils?
@TakingOff The Agenda 2030 will sundown personal flying. They will have to make it undesirable to fly (imo).
Mossad had nothing to do with this! Stop the lying BS Dusty Alexie!!! 😡
Some “Extra Ballots” for Kamala Harris….
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what a nonsense.
Must be the Russians 🤣😂🤣
It looks like the right wing stalled.
Inside job? DHL employee? This is scary and disconcerting.
@@smaze1782 The crash will not be solved until the black box recorders are recovered.
Stick to facts! Otherwise shut up!
BS
Same operator flying illegal migrants into interior of USA
And sponsored by Greg Abbot, no?
Perhaps the Pilot Flying had a 'medical event' ..... vaccinated?
Sudden loss of control as the airplane dipped. Not pilot error. More like a systems failure which can have been due to sabotage!
If Boeing creating a shit aircraft is sabotage....
Reason is Pilot Tower girl communication. and not other reasons. Stop drama. Stop imagination.
I have an update on the crash in Jamestown do you have a contact number i can send it to
This kind of speculation is just silly.
CIA