I knew about this fix when it was in the patch notes, and I'm still using the dagger. It does not take long to get a hundred kills with a good primary like the torrid. And even if you don't do any other bonuses, having a constant 8X multiplier on your melee weapon is still really really good. I expected it to be fixed, seeing how the arcane always said with primary kills.
With covert lethality, the other combo mod, and a combo riven you can hit 100 initial. I have this and it is great your always at 6x so I just pop it for 120 secs of extra sprint and parkour
Personally I use a kitgun for Mesa's secondary, which allows me to utilize Pax Bolt alongside Outburst for more DPS. Still love that there actually is a video now explaining this for others.
I wasnt aware that the combo counter was used for Secondary Outburst. I was sat here thinking "Well why the fuck does melee combo counter matter on a frame that you dont want to be using your melee weapon??". Now it makes sense.
@@satoutatsuhiro866 Okay so put it this way then... why ever use a melee on a frame that doesnt buff it at all instead of just using her Peacemakers which are far superior in every which way. Sure, use the dagger and arcane to buff the peacemakers, but you dont USE them. Playing her for anything besides Peacemakers is just shooting yourself in the foot.
@@cyanide7270 "why use a melee" There is no melee that does not "buff" the user. Melees open up many options like a movespeed buff or the ability to slamattack for faster travel. In modern warframe noone is going without a melee anyways so I was more thinking of "old school warframe" where people seriously considerd it before deciding its still "barely" not worth it.
@@cyanide7270 Mesa has 4 abilities not just 1. You can make a build without her 4 and be "optimal" Mesa 4 is by far not the strongest gun in the game. The main point is the aimbot which lets her destroy mid level Also just saying but you totally ignored the fact that "half" the enemies are immune to peacemaker. (Bosses, void sabotage...,nullies) "Playing her for anything besides Peacemaker is "bad" " Who are you mortal. Brave enough to question Mesa superiority! Mesa will bring down Justice, may it be "Peaceful" or not.
@@satoutatsuhiro866 Using a melee for buffing or movement purposes is a moot point as that is not at all what i was talking about or meant by "why use a melee", so is irrelevant. Mesa DOES have 4 abilities, but is again a moot point, as her 1 is utter garbage and makes so little impact on anything you can do with her, Shooting Gallerys damage bonus again doesnt add too much t o the damage you deal, is just another little extra, and Shattershield provides an okay damage reduction, but wont provide too much survival in anything past base Steel Path. So yes, Peacemakers pretty much are her only good ability ,especially when built correct and using a good primer companion. As for having a build be "viable" without using her 4, you can say the same for literally any frame because at that point your viability comes from whatever weapons youve got equipped, so is once again, a moot point to make. However doing so without taking her abilities into consideration means youre relying SOLELY on said equipped gear, and is sub optimal going into higher Steel Path, unlike if you WERE to go with her Peacemakers which CAN take you into at least mid level level cap runs (Cant say for much further, i get bored as fuck trying to run those). So, yes, "playing her for anything besides Peacemaker is bad" because building her into a weapons platform without using her best weapons, which is quite literally the only thing you COULD do, is bad.
Zephyr's airbust also works for the finisher, wouldnt subsume for other warframes but if you play zephyr and go for example void cascade where you want madurai its worth having airburst + the augment airburst round increases secondary damage for some time but its kind of a hassle to reproc
The way I get finishers on Frost is to just cold proc + void sling. If you can apply even 1 or 2 cold procs you'll have an easy time getting finishers this way.
Had me worried lmao. I’ve always used the built in heat on burston incarnon to stack gun and blade/orange secondary cc shards on Mesa. Takes a couple minutes max for full stacks
I didn’t know it got nerfed, I just been using different melee weapons like Ripkas, Venka Prime, Blade and Whip weapons like Jat Kusar, and Masseter Prime.
@@Shellnanigans impact to slash sucks and is not unque to furax incarnon. and blast changes also effect every weapon not just furax Is the explosion actually good? Like does ist have good range and damage?
heat crosive torid is still insane if you use the dagger mine sits at a perma 11x combo after it has 100 plus it charges up the topaz shards try cold crosive on her regulators like she kills crazy fast any way but the cold crit changes are nuts
@@cyanide7270or, like with the peculiar mods, they eventually add one that’s just hot garbage. I just love using mod capacity to produce a child laugh every 20 something seconds when I hit something. Would’ve preferred they actually make that “comic book onomatopoeia” peculiar mod they spoke about long ago...
with the corrosive rework all of my decent builds were essentially nerfed...For awhile all my builds were for fast 100% armor strip so now that the armor strip isn't as important and needing additional health strip everything needs to be remodded. Everything Padlo does is a nerf (except hydroid) eclipse nourish etc... But it gives us something to do I guess, I maybe exaggerating but I kinda feel that way.
I'm interested in checking out that lvl cap. I need to fix my Mesa build bc it's pretty annoying after level 300 maybe, but I think I realized my problem just last night- Her 4 doesn't seem to shield gate, so with my usual glass cannon build style (one Auger mod) my shield is already popped before, or right after, I press 4. Is that intended or a bug? I can't remember if her 4 actually had initial ability cost or if that's new. I pretty much only use Mesa for ez circuit or farming duplicate Tenet weapons.
@@GazTTV it is not need to be honest but sometimes I come across a horde of more than 5 enemies and putting all of them asleep make it easier/safer to do a setup like this. A normal run and gun setup would not need it at all as you will eliminate all of them anyways
I have a 400% strength pillage build on my mesa which seems to work very well for the content i do. However it does kind of rely on zenurik to work. I guess that forces me to use the bronco method. One question about the topaz shards: isnt it kind of a waste since its additive to other crit chance modifiers (unlike arance avenger)?
Players who knows the game never played Ceramic Dagger, or at least knew it was not as good as Furax. TBH Ceramic Dagger was only good if you wanted to burst fast missions, missions where you wouldn't want to stay too long. Otherwise, Furax has always been better. But even in short mission, it's so quick with a ful Cresendo that it's worth it. I think people use Dagger because they don't have a max crescendo.
I am really sad about those changes. I started to like the "ranged melee" for the gunslinger warframe. It wasn t even better than furax ffs It was just convenience in short missions. I hate changes like that since people now run a 220combo build instead of a 100+something build.
@@BloodyDIMISIS55 its not necessary but a riven can be a nice stat stick to just give a bit more than a normal mod, but it is much more expensive. We both didn't mention it is necessary, he wanted to buy it but the price is still quite high for the riven which would make it rise even higher
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I wasnt aware that people stopped using it tbh
they might have not realized it got changed i've entirely stopped using it on mesa
I knew about this fix when it was in the patch notes, and I'm still using the dagger. It does not take long to get a hundred kills with a good primary like the torrid. And even if you don't do any other bonuses, having a constant 8X multiplier on your melee weapon is still really really good.
I expected it to be fixed, seeing how the arcane always said with primary kills.
I still use it with Khora Prime.
Still a decent weapon, I used to pair it with the Torid since you can get 100 kills with that in moments and keep up the 6x minimum combo 💪
With covert lethality, the other combo mod, and a combo riven you can hit 100 initial.
I have this and it is great your always at 6x so I just pop it for 120 secs of extra sprint and parkour
Personally I use a kitgun for Mesa's secondary, which allows me to utilize Pax Bolt alongside Outburst for more DPS. Still love that there actually is a video now explaining this for others.
how is this the first time I've seen anyone mention this
I wasnt aware that the combo counter was used for Secondary Outburst. I was sat here thinking "Well why the fuck does melee combo counter matter on a frame that you dont want to be using your melee weapon??". Now it makes sense.
Melee Mesa is a thing as well :D
Also not using a melee at all was basically always just "a meme". Your mele is worth more than (50?)hp
@@satoutatsuhiro866 Okay so put it this way then... why ever use a melee on a frame that doesnt buff it at all instead of just using her Peacemakers which are far superior in every which way. Sure, use the dagger and arcane to buff the peacemakers, but you dont USE them.
Playing her for anything besides Peacemakers is just shooting yourself in the foot.
@@cyanide7270 "why use a melee"
There is no melee that does not "buff" the user. Melees open up many options like a movespeed buff or the ability to slamattack for faster travel. In modern warframe noone is going without a melee anyways so I was more thinking of "old school warframe" where people seriously considerd it before deciding its still "barely" not worth it.
@@cyanide7270 Mesa has 4 abilities not just 1. You can make a build without her 4 and be "optimal" Mesa 4 is by far not the strongest gun in the game. The main point is the aimbot which lets her destroy mid level
Also just saying but you totally ignored the fact that "half" the enemies are immune to peacemaker. (Bosses, void sabotage...,nullies)
"Playing her for anything besides Peacemaker is "bad" "
Who are you mortal. Brave enough to question Mesa superiority!
Mesa will bring down Justice, may it be "Peaceful" or not.
@@satoutatsuhiro866 Using a melee for buffing or movement purposes is a moot point as that is not at all what i was talking about or meant by "why use a melee", so is irrelevant.
Mesa DOES have 4 abilities, but is again a moot point, as her 1 is utter garbage and makes so little impact on anything you can do with her, Shooting Gallerys damage bonus again doesnt add too much t o the damage you deal, is just another little extra, and Shattershield provides an okay damage reduction, but wont provide too much survival in anything past base Steel Path. So yes, Peacemakers pretty much are her only good ability ,especially when built correct and using a good primer companion.
As for having a build be "viable" without using her 4, you can say the same for literally any frame because at that point your viability comes from whatever weapons youve got equipped, so is once again, a moot point to make. However doing so without taking her abilities into consideration means youre relying SOLELY on said equipped gear, and is sub optimal going into higher Steel Path, unlike if you WERE to go with her Peacemakers which CAN take you into at least mid level level cap runs (Cant say for much further, i get bored as fuck trying to run those).
So, yes, "playing her for anything besides Peacemaker is bad" because building her into a weapons platform without using her best weapons, which is quite literally the only thing you COULD do, is bad.
Zephyr's airbust also works for the finisher, wouldnt subsume for other warframes but if you play zephyr and go for example void cascade where you want madurai its worth having airburst + the augment airburst round increases secondary damage for some time but its kind of a hassle to reproc
The way I get finishers on Frost is to just cold proc + void sling. If you can apply even 1 or 2 cold procs you'll have an easy time getting finishers this way.
Had me worried lmao. I’ve always used the built in heat on burston incarnon to stack gun and blade/orange secondary cc shards on Mesa. Takes a couple minutes max for full stacks
As I’ve always said, release op, wait till everyone grinds and formas it, nerf it down later making the weapon worst but keeps the grind the same.
Wasn't even aware it was nerfed my Mesa still fucking shreds level 500, did a 2.5 hour survival last night.
He's just trying to lower the riven prices :p
I didn’t know it got nerfed, I just been using different melee weapons like Ripkas, Venka Prime, Blade and Whip weapons like Jat Kusar, and Masseter Prime.
Out of all the incarnons i thought you said was gonna replace it, i didnt expect furax
I am a melee noob but Furax gotta be my biggest incarnon disapointment. Akward to use low range fist weapon with no unique gimmick.
Impact turns to slash
Amalgam mod spreads a blast aoe
Blast for reworked to be good
@@Shellnanigans impact to slash sucks and is not unque to furax incarnon.
and blast changes also effect every weapon not just furax
Is the explosion actually good? Like does ist have good range and damage?
heat crosive torid is still insane if you use the dagger mine sits at a perma 11x combo after it has 100 plus it charges up the topaz shards try cold crosive on her regulators like she kills crazy fast any way but the cold crit changes are nuts
I used to bring this into endurance missions built for heavy + corrosive to one hit acolytes. But that sadly doesnt work anymore.
I want more Amalgam mods.
Too bad you wont get them because DE has a terrible habit of adding something new, and then NEVER EXPANDING ON IT AGAIN.
@@cyanide7270or, like with the peculiar mods, they eventually add one that’s just hot garbage. I just love using mod capacity to produce a child laugh every 20 something seconds when I hit something. Would’ve preferred they actually make that “comic book onomatopoeia” peculiar mod they spoke about long ago...
with the corrosive rework all of my decent builds were essentially nerfed...For awhile all my builds were for fast 100% armor strip so now that the armor strip isn't as important and needing additional health strip everything needs to be remodded. Everything Padlo does is a nerf (except hydroid) eclipse nourish etc... But it gives us something to do I guess, I maybe exaggerating but I kinda feel that way.
that new warframe with the rifle as a skill might work, if it does infact have a primary as a skill
Just heavy attack with dagger, it will open enemy to finisher, also yea i noticed but according to description it was a bug.
The nerf isnt really that bad and its kinda fun to swap weapons for different stuff to me
No wonder I wasn't seeing people asking for rivens
I didn't know people used it for that, i thought it was just an overpowered stat stick
It still is, for khora and atlas
Its not great but the ivara augment grants status immunity, which might be needed when stationary. Its not protecting from daamge though :(
So, the topaz crit chance got fixed? I know when it got added the crit chance was bugged, so I am still using red taushards for the crit chance
I'm interested in checking out that lvl cap.
I need to fix my Mesa build bc it's pretty annoying after level 300 maybe, but I think I realized my problem just last night- Her 4 doesn't seem to shield gate, so with my usual glass cannon build style (one Auger mod) my shield is already popped before, or right after, I press 4. Is that intended or a bug? I can't remember if her 4 actually had initial ability cost or if that's new. I pretty much only use Mesa for ez circuit or farming duplicate Tenet weapons.
Yes her 4 always had initial cost
Can the ceramic dagger still be good with out the incarnon adapter?
I tested secondary outburst pretty in depth a few months ago and it didn’t affect her 4 whatsoever; have they changed it?
It seems like u forgot to max Primed Target Tracker, i'm sure u have the endo 😅
When it come to using your sentinel as an aero mod set stat stick it is better to run vulklok because snipers have an exclusive aero mod
what makes you think more than 1 aero mod is needed?
@@GazTTV it is not need to be honest but sometimes I come across a horde of more than 5 enemies and putting all of them asleep make it easier/safer to do a setup like this. A normal run and gun setup would not need it at all as you will eliminate all of them anyways
@@GazTTV well if there are no drawbacks then why not use 2 ?
@@satoutatsuhiro866 I should have just said that because only dethcube and diriga would actually want a different weapon
How to turn off the right of the 4th ability?
You scared me, i only use it for Gara
just use a bramma for 100 kills and you're good
@@GazTTVOr torid/boar with corrosive + blast
@@evilfalsegames yeah mb for not mentioning every primary and build in the game with my reply
@@GazTTVDo better.
@@GazTTV then git gud (love ya m8)
WOW WHAT A NERF (/sarcasm).
I just use rauta
melee crescendo is the answer?
I like your videos, thank you ❤
Because it was trash before the incarnon, and still is unless it’s used as a ss.
I have a 400% strength pillage build on my mesa which seems to work very well for the content i do. However it does kind of rely on zenurik to work. I guess that forces me to use the bronco method. One question about the topaz shards: isnt it kind of a waste since its additive to other crit chance modifiers (unlike arance avenger)?
Players who knows the game never played Ceramic Dagger, or at least knew it was not as good as Furax. TBH Ceramic Dagger was only good if you wanted to burst fast missions, missions where you wouldn't want to stay too long. Otherwise, Furax has always been better. But even in short mission, it's so quick with a ful Cresendo that it's worth it. I think people use Dagger because they don't have a max crescendo.
I am really sad about those changes. I started to like the "ranged melee" for the gunslinger warframe.
It wasn t even better than furax ffs It was just convenience in short missions.
I hate changes like that since people now run a 220combo build instead of a 100+something build.
What is that 😅
ey noobs another video is up time to buy the riven of what ever he's yapping about lmao!
The riven of ceramic dagger is still super expensive starting at 300P so gl
lol if your rely on a riven to make a good build, then your build is shit ( or the weapon is totally shit, but still )
@@BloodyDIMISIS55 its not necessary but a riven can be a nice stat stick to just give a bit more than a normal mod, but it is much more expensive.
We both didn't mention it is necessary, he wanted to buy it but the price is still quite high for the riven which would make it rise even higher
Imagine my dissapointment stumbling into this video after getting both mesa and the ceremaic dagger today
If you got good primary you dont need to worry
I just bought a ceramic dagger riven 2 days ago….
Shows a build with invigoration smh..
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