The Stolen Music of Shibayan Records (Omae Wa Mou)
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Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
00:21 - Touhou Project and Doujinshi
01:07 - Comiket and Conventions
01:49 - Shibayan Records and Touhou Bossa Nova 2
03:08 - Tiny Little Adiantum Gaining Traction
03:23 - Omae Wa Mou Briefing
04:24 - Touhou Fan Concerns
04:41 - Ethical Issues with Omae Wa Mou
07:40 - Conclusion
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Songs:
Shibayan Records - Tiny Little Adiantum
Deadman - Omae Wa Mou (Tiny Little Adiantum Remix)
Pokemon Sapphire - Littleroot Town
Omori - By Your Side
C418 - Dead Voxel
C418 - Haggstrom
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Lets call this what it was: it was plagiarism.
Deadman claimed the track as his own work and profited from it, even attempting to block Shibayan from uploading their own work.
A massive shame.
as a Touhou player, this feels me with rage like no other
It's a sample, which many genres base their music off of; It's like saying Biggie Smalls or Tyler, The Creator plagarise their music. It's unfortunate how TH-cam's copyright system works but that's not the remixer's fault. Not to mention that the remix falls under fair use, at least under American law.
@@OrangeYTT He 'sampled' the entire song you disingenuous slime.
@@OrangeYTT none of this would happen if he credit and ask for permission properly in the first place. While remix fall under fair use, fair use is determined by court. Just yelling its fair use is useless.
@@OrangeYTTHe basically added a drum beat and "omae wa mou shindeiru". It could be argued in court that it isn't transformative.
FINALLY SOMEONEADE A VIDEO ABOUT THIS!!! its was incredibly frustrating to see deadman's "remix" become so popular that shibayan couldn't post their own song
no I'm sure that it has been done years before. I even thought that this video itself is a reupload
Deadman even tried copyright claiming shibayan's song, thankfully it didn't work and eventually he had to give credits. Unfortunately the damage is already done and his version is more well known than Tiny Little Adiantum.
What’s funny is that I’ve only ever heard Tiny Little Adiantum, and never heard of this deadman remix until this vid
@@jaxomvienonensame lmao
I still prefer the remix to the original. The original just sounds like any other Japanese song, but the remix has got that Western flair.
There's a damn near similar identical occurrence with the pimp Named slickback remix, all some kid did was add some Roblox sounds and it went from Underground to Super popular tiktok song
Jesus christ, I knew Deadman didn't credit Shibayan initially, but selling the song to a company for 5000 usd? That dude is a fucking crook. Sad thing is Shibayan or ZUN won't be able to reverse any of that, because of the copyright-free nature of Touhou works. The doujin culture of Touhou is beautiful precisely because everyone respects the rules despite there being no hard law around it, but sometimes these kinds of scammers ruin it for everybody.
ZUN still holds the copyright to Touhou and it's music. He just never enforces it. Technically speaking, he could copyright claim that one song to fuck Deadman over, but I feel like it would turn into a whole cluster.
Welp, Touhou isn't Copyright free, it has its ruleset.
*It just happens that ZUN only enforces it if you really screw it BIG TIME, ask Ufotable how do they know it.*
What about Fist of the North Star? Surely whoever owns that has lawyers.
@@SenshiSunPowerNahh people use clips from shows in raps/music all the time, don't think there's anything they can do about it. There isn't any damages they can point to, if anything it probably increases exposure. No the people truly wronged who have a case here are the makers of the original song
ZUN should at lease try to get deadman’s “remix” taken down, and united masters should get sued as well.
It's heartbreaking how shit can just get stolen by this from basically one guy who couldn't give a shit to properly credit or acknowledge the original creators or reimburse them
Also, besides the 5000 dollars, couldn't there be other monetization or credit towards Deadman? It's scummier than just 5000 IMO
the guys more lucky he didn’t get sued into the ground by shibayan or ZUN to a extent because they had full legal capability to do so.
Just like Caramelldansen
@@Robeebert or a lot of the guys remixing Siinamotas music, worst part is that he is deceased.
@@SpecterNeverSpectator I thought Young Girl A was simply sampled without permission or credit (until the latter was added) by Kentenshi for Paranoia, and that the other remixes made it clear that it's still titled Young Girl A, but remixed, instead of being presented as a different song. Unless there's other cases I don't know. But yeah, Kentenshi is rather scummy for that, and to make it worse, most of Siinamota's/Powapowa-P's songs were his personal vents, so it's very disrespectful
As Touhou is the greatest source of freedom and creativity on the internet, stealing from that freedom is a crime like no other. Touhou is the role model for what fan-created content and corporate-free content should look like. The internet could've given us this blessing ten years ago, but we have instead left ourselves suffocated.
i dont know if its touhou or vocaloid... but i think vocaloid licence is more restrictive
@@igorgiuseppe1862 We respect vocaloid's contributions, but in many ways, vocaloid's success served Touhou's success as well. We will never forget nor will we not stand to preserve the lessons and blessings of the free internet.
Absolutely beyond agree, when I see a Touhou arrange that I've never seen before it baffles me just what depth of culture and imagination went into it all. The thought that anyone would think to make petty dime off of something practically sacred is just miserable.
ah yes, free fan content, as long as you don't do anything to anger the mob, like straying even a hair away from canon.
@@myb701 Most people who know Touhou know the fanon interpretations more than the canon ones.
Deadman breaking ZUN's guidelines was the worst part. ZUN actually launched a service called Touhou Doujin Music Distribution in 2018 which acts as an official distributor for both original and arranged Touhou music. This allowed for arranges to be sold digitally. However, at the time of the incident it didn't allow music streaming platforms yet. Deadman monetized his remix in ways arrangers weren't even allowed to. Interestingly, Touhou Doujin Music Distribution already supported youtube's Content ID at the time. My guess is that it wasn't active for all registered circles just yet. By the way, Tiny Little Adiantum's current Content ID still has the "Omae Wa Mou" album cover for some reason.
Ah so that's why back then Shibayan doesn't have any song on streaming except their original stuff
To this day, I still kind of hate the creation of the TDMD, because it fucked up a lot of youtube uploads. I'm glad he did something like this, but I can't stand how much it's fucked up sharing Doujinshi music for touhou, harder to find the good stuff like I used to back in the day.
Yeah the remnants of "Omae Wa Mou" nice try TH-cam Content ID
man I'm kinda pissed at deadman 1000x already but yeah I'm even more pissed if I see that album cover
Tbh if the distribution service was modernized, Deadman would have never been able to upload his track & profit from it, bc the song would have already been uploaded & added to content ID. But then again, getting Japanese businesses to use modern technology is like Sisyphus pushing the rock up the mountain, they love their faxes and paper copies
Content ID needs to be fixed... this is off topic but there are a lot of "copyright-free" background music in youtube video. when I use shazam, shazam always tells me some random "rapper" is rapping on that copyright-free music. It's so wrong.
Just a nitpick but Yuuka's Theme is actually called "Gensokyo, Past and Present ~ Flower Land"
Gotcha, my fault on that
NIKO ONESHOT?!??!??!?!?!?!?!
@@whispii Also not super relevant but maybe worth mentioning for people searching by Yuuka's theme. She has 3 themes within the Touhou (not sure about Seihou). As she appeared as a boss twice in Touhou 4.
@@crazyguyethan1848yeah?
Only OG's know she also has "Sleeping terror" and "Faint dream ~ Inanimate dream"
Calling Omae Wa Mou a "remix" is completely outrageous. They literally just stole it and then for a while tried to completely deny where the Song is from, while profiting A LOT off of it. It should not have even been allowed on spotify in the first place. Due to assholes like this, laws for sampling other peoples songs are extremely strict and hindering for actually creative musicians.
I never saw the articles at 5:48 before but holy sht do they make me angry. If your job is being a journalist, FOR A MAJOR MUSIC MAGAZINE, cant you do more than 1minute of research?! Its not that hard to find out where the original song is form. "Song built around an obscure Sample of Bossa Nova" HOLY SH-
Sorry for this angry comment but this has angered me for years now. Fuck Deadman. really. Sad that he isnt really one.
The only positive thing about it, is that I now have another thing to show to people, who say they have never heard of touhou before lol
", who say they have never heard of touhou before lol"
one more reason why they never heard of it
@@igorgiuseppe1862 Exactly.
i wonder from whom he stole the singing. it sounds nice
@@fool4343It's also part of Sibayan's Tiny Little Adiantum.
@@squashn.695 thank you for your info! after i commented i went to listen the song for the first time and learned that, but decided its too late to go back and change things
ive actually resented deadman for years. a lot of people say i overreact to this incident but its hard not to, when it just means that other people can get away with the same shit deadman did. especially since i was one of the people who got fooled into thinking omae wa mou is the original. i only found out late 2020.
For me, back then when i first heard omae wa mou, for some reason i felt cringe. Then i quickly saw a comment on the video saying that it was a remix of something else and discovered Tiny Little Adiantum and the original Flower Land song from there. This was in 2019 iirc, back when it started to become viral
100% agreed. I still resent Deadman to this day over this. An "artist" that has permanently lost any resemblance of respect from me.
Glad you didnt see this scandal when started. I got the news the very day it was discovered that Shibayan's song was plagiarized. And as a old fan... this really snapped something on me.
Deadman has literally no respect from me, because besides the legal rules... he really disrespected one of the biggest fandoms out there.
@@huuishuu same, how I can sure others of his work isn't his own but not get caught.
People call him Deadman but his name is Lil boom and when I confronted him years ago about it. He got angry and threw a fit saying "he paid for the record so it's ok"
Moral of the story:
Sample at some point is okay, stealing is not. Dont be like a Marisa, "borrowing" and dont return it.
Gotta say, Shibayan deserves more love for their work~
What would you think about the fact that Juice WRLD's "Used To" sampled "Crescent Moon" by "Felt" without any credit? It was more than likely a total accident, believable because some Touhou fan decided to upload part of the Touhou remix as a sample to a music sample library for free before realizing his mistake and taking it down, but not before the artist behind "Used To" found and sampled it. The album that Juice WRLD's song was in hit quintuple platinum (over 5 million sales) and has nearly 300million plays on Spotify alone
Hey, don't say that. At least Marisa won't steal from human (just ask Kosuzu). Her stealing method only applies for magician and youkai alike.
@@mustainekofhm4018welp still stealing
@@PneumaAsh I geunienly feel its fine, as Juice WRLD added lyrics. another sample could've done the same job, but the main focus is the lyrics, not the song.
Even Marisa have better standards!! Marisa steal books, but she doesn't try to claim that she made those books!!
Shibayan records raised me and i was genuinely mad with the monitization of omaewa mou. Still listen to them to this day tho and im glad theyre actively releasing stuff
Yup, love their bossa nova releases
me when waiting for another shibayan electronic album:
@@yukko_parra Lol never gon happen
@@yukko_parra You and me brudda, Sedecim ain't left my car player for a solid month
@@whispii ;u;
This affair is one of the very few things I still get mad about. Every time I hear that line, or see someone say that "omae wa mou" is better, I wanna slap someone through my screen.
Shibayan is such a sweet person (and rather approachable when it comes to working together (if I remember an old friend's words right))
You know what, some people just have really bad taste in music, and that's completely fine, why? Because a lot of things are relative, what is not fine is the fact that he (deadman) obviously stole the music (pretty much claimed it was his) and only credited the original creator after many backlash later. Imagine someone stealing other artists art, do some really lazy modifications to it and claiming it was theirs, ignorant people be like: "tHiS iS sO MuCh BeTteR thAn tHe OriGinaL", because this is pretty how i see it.
my brother literally prefers "omae wa mou" and says there is nothing wrong with deadman stealing music... that's so ridiculous
@@Zanmu_Nippaku Steal his cookies
@@INSAne_DrUNkard good idea >:))
@@Zanmu_Nippaku push him down the stairs and start omori arc
Huge fan of Shibayan; I do recall briefly hearing the "remixed" version gain popularity and was thinking "oh wow Shibayan hit mainstream, nice!" but didn't know that no credit was given. This story hurts to hear, but thanks for sharing. At the very least, as you said, more people have found Shibayan thanks to this, which is fantastic.
Me too
In the Hispanic side of the internet it was even funnier because in the "remix" a lot of the original lyrics were missing so people took what was left in that version, poorly translated it, and said it was a really dark song about a girl being abused. You can imagine how many people actually learned about the original song
That sounds funny, actually. I think I might've seen a video with dark lyrics in the thumbnail, but I ignored it. I kinda want to look into that now.
I'd point and laugh at them so hard if i come across them
hispanic internet is different
As a Touhou fan, I can't thank you enough for making a video about this topic. There needs to be more awareness about this and I'm glad at least some people know.
i always hated that trash song, but the fact it stole from a solid Touhou remix makes me hate it even more
In my old English cover of the song I did a couple years ago, I included the name Tiny Little Adiantum near the end in my English lyrics!
I also wrote my own poem and added onto it in the second half. I really loved the song and have a remaster sitting around, but I never uploaded it because the song isn't popular anymore.
So much internet content always seems to come back to either Touhou, Minecraft or TF2 in some manner
It goes deep for these pieces of media
Damn, didn't think to see you here
Woah shit, surprised to see a random TF2 dude be here lol
I cant imagine how frustrating this was for the folks at Shibayan, their music has always been so good 😢
Never stopped bothering me as well. I grew up with doujin circles like Shibayan, FELT, and Halozy in the early 2010s, so a problem for Shibayan kinda felt like a problem for me.
Seems it might be more common than some people think for western musicians to "sample" things from Japanese media and put a generic hip hop beat over it. Another example-albeit slightly less egregious-is No Social Media by Wiz Khalifa. It very blatantly just takes Main Theme from Higurashi and doesn't even try to transform it in any meaningful way. Of course, most of the normies wouldn't realise this just like with Omae Wa Mou.
Paranoia and Dragonfruit Salad are another examples of that too. Meanwhile, All My Fellas was subsconciously influenced by a Japanese song. I guess the unauthorized sampling/plagiarism has something to do with Japanese music having unique composition compared to Western music
Don’t forget crystal dolphin with dolphin in the town (Machi no doruphin)
All my fellas is literally a beat and "All my fellas" over the song Moonlight by a JP artist. Hardly innovative @@Giovansbilly
Grew up with exactly these same ones. Halozy, FELT, Shibayan, Hatsunetsumikos... Never get tired of listening to these, especially Shibayan. Real shame that touhou music is being stolen without credit and there are many cases like this.
Probably the worst/saddest 2hu hijack ever. Unless you count the floods on /a/ so many years ago. But still, Yuuka's theme went through fan-made iterations, then a remix of a remix hijacked with its popularity, yet bearing barely any traces back to Shibayan or Touhou Project. And then the copyright dumpster fire & all that.
worst of all, the largest hijack.
larger than Bad Apple!! ft. Nomico imo, based on the number of audio views on Omae Wa Mou, not including all videos that have played the track at one point on TikTok.
@@yukko_parra over 700k videos made on TikTok using tiny little Adiantum remix
Touhou is not yet lost
@@yukko_parra At least Bad Apple is more iconic.
To this day, I am still feel bad that the plagiarized version is still being misinformed by many as “totally legit work” not knowing how it’s just pure theft with wall of lies and sugarcoating (if anything the plagiarized one is just downgrade of LTA)
While nowadays situations is more or less cleared, the misinformation and misunderstandings are still high, and the thieves are still get off free.
On good side, the drama has started to make some people and circles to prepare for pure plagiarism like this case.
Note: Alice Margartroid channel mentioned in video, was terminated, with speculation that it’s about some Touhou Doujin Circles start to ask channels to delete reupload on channel, but seem like Alice Channel Owner might not been checking their email, and as time asked passed, the report and termination was done.
Edit: Just learn from getting another Shibayan Record work recommended… and learn that another grifter who also plagiarized other than d-grifter, lil b-grifter, also plagiarized Shibayan Record another song too… wow
MC Virgins? Detrobeats? Lil Boom? deadman? Man those people alone did something that made me angry.
MC Virgins plagiarized Tiny Little Adiantum and soda pop ice cream (Sagume's theme arrangement)
Detrobeats and Lil Boom made a Farewell, Narcissus trap remix (Satori Maiden arrangement)
deadman plagiarized Tiny Little Adiantum (the most famous one), fuwafuwa Doremy, and Lost Child's Echo (hartmann's youkai girl remix)
In total, all these people stole 5 different Shibayan songs
@@ambasing_omaygot God… Fraking, Damn It All.
Do those pos saw how successful of a scheme TLA plagiarized, many start copy cat scheme with Touhou Doujin Music Plagiarism??!?
i do love how the "remix" is literally just trap drums and literally nothing else
I already knew the original from some videos back in mid 2010s and that was before i got into touhou and anime even. Few years later, seeing that people thought that omae wa mou was the original i immediately was in disbelief because i thought "Wait a minute i've heard this before". At the time my memory was blurry but despite that i knew that it wasn't the original so i dig deeper and found the original that was uploaded by Alice Margatroid.
The video was uploaded back in 2013 so at the time i was happy because this was proof that Omae wa mou wasn't the original. Sadly the channel got taken down by youtube which makes me worried about how people will mislead both the orignial and the so called "remix" now.
the video was watched a lot so there thankfully are tonnes of archived results of the original vid
was similar for me, i remembered the tune from older videos and was confused when this "omae wa" stuff came up more.
eventually found the proper video upload by chance and happy to finally know the real title. and reading the comments about what happened. hate these lazy thieves.
i was yapping, calling him out like a mad man. im glad someone finally brought this to light
@@yukko_parra Philippines Touhou channel has a reupload of Tiny Little Adiantum, 4 days after Reitaisai 10
the realization that omae wa mou was a touhou song has got to be the biggest plot twist in anime history.
Touhou has influenced the internet far beyond what most expect.
Not really
I think the main reason this situation Always makes me so mad to think about is because it's such a desecration to the creative process in doujin Touhou media. You will likely never run into the situation where you've found a touhou remix and can't figure out who made it, the original track it's based on, when it came out, where to buy it, etc etc etc. ZUN's creative works policies are so lax more than any other creative I've ever known and it has become such an integral reason for the series' influence on online culture everywhere.
I feel the same way about this how I do about Rooster Teeth stealing assets from MikuMikuDance models and monetizing those seasons. Ironically enough, the main assets stolen and used on RWBY were primarily assets from Touhou Project MMD models made by Montecore. Similarly the community around MMD is big on proper crediting and basically any asset you'll ever use on that program comes with a readme with a terms of service, which 90% of them include a disclaimer not to use their materials for commercial profit. Oftentimes Japanese creators will even translate it for English users. It's all just so insulting to have people come and take advantage of communities that are making really good art oftentimes completely for free out of the passion they have for the topic.
I'm so thankful that someone did a video covering this topic.
I was so pissed by the fact when that """remix""" by Deadman was so commonly heard everywhere on the internet, but bearly any recognition were given to shibayanrecords' circle members years ago😭😭
In Anime Conventions, they still play Omae wa Mou and it still makes me frustrated to this day. I get happy when I hear the intro, but the quote from the anime ruins the whole song for me
It's unfair for shibayan
thank you so much for this video!!
as a brazilian (and also a bossa nova fan), it's really cool to see that one of our best music styles is still recognized around the world, especially because this genre has lost relevance here in brazil.
but I gotta make a confession, I unfortunately... only discovered about shibayan because of deadman, and I initially thought the arrange was his... sorry... Ever since I discovered the original source I immediately feel in love with shibayan's music, and I still listen to it today (i'm addicted to "Farewell, Narcissus").
discovering it also made me rediscover touhou too, even making me actually play the games, before this I didn't knew a lot about it (there weren't a lot of touhou content in portuguese, and I didn't spoke english at the time yet).
I hope this video gets recommended to as many people as possible, what deadman (and lil boom) did was really bad and people gotta know who the original author is, plus, I can be wrong, but if I remember correctly, they also stole other music from other people as well, can't remember if it was before or after this drama, but I remember hearing this at the time.
just a note for the uploader: youtube didn't render the timestamps as chapters (yea, that's just it, also happy new year!)
Infelizmente, não é mais 2008~2012. Talvez encontrasse alguma comunidade BR na época.
Não acho que vá encontrar alguma comunidade brasileira sólida sobre Touhou hoje em dia, apesar de ter bastante gente que conhece a franquia, provavelmente bem mais que na época.
@@fallensoulkun Tem bastante comunidade de touhou br sólida sim, mas a maioria está por servidores de discord
@@wha32423
Servidores de Discord, hein...
Bossa nova is big in Japan, if there's a Japanese anime song, there is a bossa nova version of it. :)
I hated that era cause everyone was stealing music and putting the most basic trap beat ovr it and claiming it as their own. Tiny little adiantum is such a nice, chill song too and the ‘remix’ is objectively worse and now associated with shitty cringe 2018 memes. Worst fate u could have for a genuinely good track
Touhou Project has a beautiful culture of fan works (art, manga, music, fangames, novels, etc.), encouraged by ZUN's lax leaning towards allowing anyone to do what they wish in reference the content of the series, so long as its not just cut+paste and in fact your own original work, and most importantly that it credits Touhou Project, Team Shanghai Alice and ZUN with the original source.
ShibayanRecords is a well beloved arrangement collective with a long history and a wide variety of music genres.
To see some outsider weeb tourist come and spit on the culture of trust and respect around Touhou Project, and especially ShibayanRecords for their own personal gain is just fucking disgusting.
It's pretty crazy when you think about it. He sold it on the Google play store, Amazon, and iTunes. The intent to steal and profit from plagiarized work is just screaming at you. And ZUN could just make a cut-and-dry case if had he decided to take legal action
he literally got permission from Shibayan & was told to treat himself to music equipment & good food…
@@lizm2469 wut
@@lizm2469never got permission..?
i thought i knew everything there was to know about the tiny little adantium / omae wa mou drama, turns out I still learnt something new (mainly, that the upload by the original makers were copyright struck, multiple times).
thanks for mentioning alice margatroid btw, gotta at least preserve this legendary channel somehow.
and thank goodness there are now 16 mil views on shibayan's channel from that one song alone, it's a based song from a based album from a based artist.
It’s songs like this that negatively affect attitudes towards sampling too. I like seeing how creative sampling can get, but for every 1 great song that utilizes sampling there’s like 5 tasteless songs out there
Indeed, plenty of people think "sampling = plagiarism" when they aren't synonymous, but those lazily sampled songs run close to plagiarism
@@Giovansbilly I would say that sampling does often come in the form of plagiarism though it is not always so. Songs like Omae wa Mou have no place. They’re the musical equivalent to Dadaist art
@@patricklewis9787Honestly this is just my 2 cents but calling Sampling as Plagiarism is just weird.
Though i can see why you think of it that way, i mean imagine having a Beautiful Cake for your Sister's Wedding, you of all people cut a portion of that Cake, and sell it, shit seems Sketchy.
At the same time i don't agree with that at all because "Usually" right you don't just take that Slice of Cake put it in a Box and then Sells it, no you the usual procedure should include how you take that Slices to your home, try to understand what the hell is this, try to make it yourself and using that as a base to make your own Cake and then selling it.
If you just take a part of it and directly sell it, it's not Sampling imo it just Theft exactly how Deadman does it.
(Using a cake as an example maybe one of the worst thing i can do forgive me but that's just what makes sense to me atm.)
@@Azazantei I think my issue lies with what line dictates whether a sample is (or isn’t ) plagiarism. The reasons I see people come up with more subjective if anything. We can call deadman’s sample “lazy” or “uninspired” or whatever but it doesn’t stop the fact that it can still be considered his own “song”. I don’t agree with it but it is what it is.
For example in Kanye’s song “Power” he sampled King Crimson, and the band sued him for doing so. Even though the “Power” doesn’t come off as plagiarism they had every right to do so, even if I think they shouldn’t have done that.
Also the cake analogy was a pretty decent one.
Speaking of unauthorized/uncredited sampling or plagiarism, that happens with plenty of Japanese music. Young Girl A got sampled for Paranoia and there was initially no credit for the source until the artist added it, while Dragonfruit got sampled for Dragonfruit Salad. At least for the latter, the artist for it admitted to making it a little bit too similar with the OG and promised to sample more ethically. That being said, All My Fellas may not be one of the examples despite sounding similar to Moonlight because the artist for All My Fellas made a whole video explaining how the song was composed and how different its composition was, though he also admitted he may have been subconsciously influenced by Moonlight
speaking of Young Girl A, that song was made by a deceased producer (Siinamota/Powapowa-P), and as a fan of Powapowa-P's work its just "odd" to me to sample vent work if you get what I mean
@@akitouyer indeed, especially if you're aware about his last songs, "Bring Me the Red Pen" and "Healthy End", or his last Tweet before he passed away
@@Giovansbilly In my honest opinion, I think that TikTok's the blame on why Young Girl A got that much recognition in the west, I just hope that most of the people are aware of the songs meaning and actually gave a listen to the other non-mainstream vocaloid works. "Astronauts" is one of my favorite powapowap works, it's a long song (7:21) but it's one of the works that changed my life for the better, speaking of other songs, the English server for project sekai will add powapowap songs (Q, Strobe Light and Pallette that I can't remember the rest of the title), so I can see Young Girl A part 2 happening in the near future.
my apologies if something's wrong it's 2 am in the morning
@@akitouyer yeah, even though I personally almost never use Tiktok. I feel it was Kentenshi's sampling of Young Girl A for Paranoia and its use on Tiktok that make people, including non-Vocaloid fans, discover Young Girl A. Then most associate it with "edginess" because they hear Paranoia and its usage on "edgy" contents first, or because they listen to Young Girl A without bothering to read or understand the translated lyrics or knowing the backstory behind its producer
doujinshi (同人誌) are specifically print doujin (同人) works. with 誌 meaning magazine.
generally fan circle, self-published works are just referred to with 同人
im a huge touhou fan and ive been troubled by how deadman just ripped it from shibayan and barely added anything. thanks for making this video
he was like 16/17 when he made the remix … lol and got it cleared…
Rip alice margtroid channel, you will forever be missed.
I'm a pretty avid fan of music coming out of Reitaisai especially the bossa nova ones and have learnt how to play alot of them on the piano, Tiny Little Adiantum included. Whenever I played it, 9/10 they would mention Omae Wa Mou. If it wasn't for 1 person who I shared Shibayan to before Omae Wa Mou got big it would have been 10... Fucking 10... It honestly breaks my heart knowing an already underrated group in a niche subculture of also a niche franchise got overshadowed by what is basically just adding basic beats that sound like a sample which ruins the original genre of the song. I hope this video gets more traction because I'm really passionate about this whole subcommunity of the Touhou fandom
Shibayan records' bossa nova albums are some of my favorite music of all time, im never gonna forgive this guy.
See, I never actually heard Omar Wa Mou, in fact I’ve been regularly listening to the Touhou Bossa Nova albums since the second album in 2013. I never knew I was listening to chart topping music this whole time! I hope ShibayanRecord gets some form of compensation or credit for their beautiful song…
Same, I remeber the album being popular in certain places. I think I may've heard Omae as BGM in some vlog, but no idea it became that big a deal. Freaking tiktok fads man.
Shibayan cleared it 5+ years ago and said to go get music equipment & eat good
i hope this goes viral, people need to know the truth. i got so f-ing pissed when i found out about this stuff back in 2020. shibayan makes great music, i love listening to their tracks from time to time.
I'm really glad to see a video being made on this, it's so annoying seeing people credit them instead Shibayan Records.
I also think something similar happened with Young Girl A.
Yeah, Paranoia
Another case is Dragonfruit Salad, though at least the artist admitted in the comment section of the OG song that they sampled a bit too close to the OG and promised to sample more ethically next time
Edit: Also the Young Girl A/Paranoia situation is even more egregious because Siinamota's/powapowa-p's songs were his personal vents and he has passed away since 2015 (it's an open secret that his death was speculated to be a suicide due to the contents of his songs, including two of his very last ones, and his last tweet before his death. Officially however, it's never disclosed, probably due to local stigma around mental health topics)
The Deadman "remix" is how I was introduced to Shibayan as well. I was pretty disgusted to learn that the song was essentially shamelessly stolen from Shibayan. And it infuriated me to absolutely no end to see that most people that use the song "prefer" the Deadman "remix", and even credit them as the "original artist".
While an utterly disgusting situation, this did lead me to discovering Shibayan after all. And Shibayan is now my #1 most listened to artist for 3 consecutive years (2021, 2022 and 2023). So, something good came out of that.
p.s. Shibayan's Bossa Nova isn't as good as their older electronica stuff. Magico Catastrofe, Adrastea, Kokoro Vibration, Assortment of sense - genuinely amazing albums that I highly recommend people check out.
Assortment of sense and Magico Catastrofe are absolute bangers, but BOSSA NOVA 1 and 2 still hold a special place in my heart.
Thank you for making this video, I hope it gets a lot of views so that more people realize that deadman stole from Shibayan
As someone who had no idea about touhou and has listened to the “remix” for a long time, I’m upset it was stolen and I feel like I’ve been lied to due to deadman’s lack of credit. So I’ve been blindly supporting a jackass this whole time and it feels shitty. Anyways I have found I love the original song so much better. I always thought deadman’s version was too short anyway so I’m glad the original is 5 minutes, a proper song length. It also has more musical complexities to appreciate. Thank you so much for the find, also I get to experience a whole new (to me) album and video game now, which I’m excited for. I’ve always loved bullet hell. Thanks xd
This is fantastic, credit truly deserves to the hard working. You are one of them, stay strong bro!
I appreciate that!
Thank you for shedding light on parts that I did not know, which was everything other than Omae Wa Mou being based off Tiny Little Adiantum.
I will now go enact justice upon the injustices
I love Shibayan Records and collectively the Tohou project at large for the amazing music that I was able to find years ago. One of the most amazing genre's of music I have ever heard in my life.
I knew about this alternate version, but did not know that this person went as far as to not even bother crediting and even selling a copy of the song this way. Truly upsetting.
Took me a while to trace the song to its proper origins back then myself. It’s always painful and hard to not get sour over the injustice done to what had grown to become one of my favorite songs, especially after getting into Touhou myself. But a little more awareness goes a long way to giving the source materials the proper recognition they deserve in the first place. Thanks for your work.
P.S: The way I saw it, how far the song got under the guise of a low effort remix could also be a testament to the quality that Touhou’s doujin music can put out. Touhou fan or nah, I think more people can definitely appreciate it and give at least the rest of the album a try, because it really blew me away even past this one song.
As a music producer, it’s actually SO infuriating seeing actual composition, with actual music conventions, good harmony, amazing melody and arrangement getting straight TAKEN, and making it (arguably) less musical by putting a trap loop over it then targeting it towards a different set of audience.
Omg i had no idea this was from touhou im glad i found this video.
I wasn't aware of this, I always heard the official Bossa Nova Collection and knew the song as Tiny Little Adantium. Thanks for posting
I remember being so disapointed by the Omae Wa Mou track being so tiny, i had to wait 1+ year to find Tiny Little Adiantum. I was happy too when I saw that Deadman credited Shibayan Records in the title, dang. Thanks for posting about it, I don't really want to forget about what happened to this music, since I love it so much now !
To be worse… I cannot listen to Yuuka’s theme cover without hearing anime thighs now 💀
Thank you so much for making this, tiny little adiantum is my favourite touhou arrange and it pissed me to no end that some guy took the song and added a miniscule amount of change and have the gall to call it a "remix", a lot of undeserved fame and profit that should have gone to shibayan records, I hope that this video becomes viral and more people become aware of this
Shibayan cleared and didn’t want profit
I've always had the knowledge in my head that Tiny Little Adiantum was the original and the context needed. But I was terrible at explaining it properly, so this video is perfect at explaining what the drama was and the issues I have with deadman due to what he did
Wow. Just stumbled across this and thought this was from one of those video essay channels with highly produced vids. You're criminally underrated man! This vid made me go and binge all your other stuff! Keep it up!
Thanks man, I appreciate it a lot. Unfortunately I think my lamp video is my only other video on the same production quality, but more to come soon!
bossanova is such an awesome genre
I had no idea that the song that was my ringtone for a whole year was pretty much stolen. Thanks for making a video about it.
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Wtf I didnt even know this was a touhou song thank you for bringing this up
To clarify, I do know of shibayan but I had no idea of this whole scenario and now this is just like bruh wtf why did he get away with this like that
I remember this from before I was a Touhou fan. I’ve always feverishly advocated for Tiny Little Adiantum over “Omae wa Mou” since I could remember. Hearing about just how profusely Shibayan got shafted is infuriating. Tiny Little Adiantum is a wonderful cover in its own right and I always hated hearing the “Omae wa mou” whenever I was expecting Tiny Little Adiantum
how’d he get shafted if he cleared it and said he didn’t want profits
@@lizm2469 wdym “how?” There were the content ID issues, and there are people to this day who still don’t know about Tiny Little Adiantum. They still associate the song with deadman and his shitty, low-effort “remix.” What use is popularity if the original artist still struggles to benefit?
@@YoshikoJanai and Deadman was the one who got it fixed. you act like Deadman himself was copyrighting Shibayan. If people don’t know the original when it’s been credited for just as long as the remix came out , that’s a reading comprehension issue or maybe, they just prefer the remix? you’re gonna tell me TLA had 18m views before? Shibayan is not struggling to benefit at all…
@@lizm2469 congrats, he fixed a mistake that should have never happened. Deadman openly shit on Touhou and ZUN’s absolutely gracious licensing terms while also shirking responsibility towards Shibayan for years. This is the whole “muh exposure” argument
@@lizm2469 "didn't want profits" after pocketing 5k
I tried telling so many people that it’s a Touhou song by Shibayan. I wouldn’t even call“Omae Ma Wou” a remix because it stills sound so much like the original. It’s a shame what happened because ZUN allows so much freedom with Touhou, and this guy just steals Shibayan works and claims it as his own and never gave credit to the song.
THANK YOU, IVE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE OTHERS LOOK AT SHIBAYAN RECORDS BECAUSE ITS A DAMN ORIGINAL
When I first heard the remix I knew it wasn't the original. I was relatively acquainted with Shibayan's work at the time so I had a good idea where to look. I was very delighted to find the original arrangement and easily became one of my favorites. It's very unfortunate many other people are entirely unaware to this day due to the lack of publicity on the plagiarism.
Shibayan Records creates some truly great music and arrangements! Thank you for this video, it’s nice to have an explanation on this topic and giving the rightful credit. The Touhou community is really special.
I wish this video came out just a little sooner as just before it was released I was writing a paper on copyrights and related topics with this story being in my mind but I couldn’t find much of any of the original sources to what happened. This was a few months ago and made this video sort of fitting for me to come across.
Wait what the hell?! That "remix" got bigger than the original??
It's very saddening. Shibayan Records didn't even deserve much credit
Memes are op, plz nerf :(
29 mil views for Tiny Little Adiantum (Alice Upload (now gone) + Shibayan Upload + Spotify)
181+ mil views for Omae Wa Mou (deadman Upload + YTMusic Upload + Spotify (now gone))
thank god I had data on this, spotify data is nearly impossible to archive.
This also happened with Paranoia, which ripped Young Girl A
@@Giovansbilly paranoia by digital wing? o.o
Glad more people know about this, shiyaban is so talented and they deserve to be recognized
It’s seriously frustrating to see such a lovely Touhou remix get butchered like this. Thank you for spreading the word about this and giving Shibayan the respect they deserve.
I will always appreciate people who give credit to the original creators of a piece of media. Thank you.
in my whole entire life i had no idea deadman isn't the real owner. i always have thought shibayan records stole it as ive heard deadman tried sending a copyright claim.
thank u for this video !! :D
Thank you for spreading the word. I had no idea about this originally being a touhou song! I used to love the song and the weird Minecraft parrot video, but I actually used to wonder why the Fist of the North Star sample felt so out of place and the drum beat felt so much more low quality than the rest of the song. Now I know :') time to go support the original.
Btw I'm only just starting to get into Touhou bc I find the fandom and history so interesting, but I cannot deal with bullet hell so I'm starting with the fan game Mystia's Izakaya. If any touhou fans have suggestions for good non-stressful games lmk~
Zun should get involved is all i’ll say
I was a huge fan of the dancing parrot video, I had no idea that this was all the case in reality. It makes me insanely mad.
Tiny Little Adiantum is my single favorite Touhou-related thing, and it's sad it was at the center of this whole mess.
Just happened to think of this issue again after so long, just because I'm learning Bossa Nova and practicing Tiny Little Adiantum. I was like "hm, wonder if anyone has addressed this and call deadman out". Good thing I stumbled upon this video when it's released not long ago. If I looked it up sooner I might have not found yours. Big up man, I just hate blatant plagiarism in general so much, thank you for making this video. Well, not to deny deadman did not popularize it, but stealing is stealing, and I hope he show remorse and receive penalty of some kind.
more like need a dose of smart vaccine
What's frustrating: Deadman celebrated on Nov 27th 100 million streams of this blatant rip.
Edit: wrote 1 million instead of 100 MILLION. God... Damn.
This whole story really boils my piss.
It's the absolute peak example of Touhou being essentially one of the biggest influences on internet culture for the past two decades yet not being directly recognised for it.
Honestly bro I thought this channel had at least half a million subscribers, it is TRULY underrated for this quality.
aw thanks man, appreciate that.
Another example of this would be "Sewerslvt - Pretty Cvnt", they ended up overshadowing the original with a weak "remix" that's 99% samples overlaid on top of the anime OP of "No Matter How I Look at It, It's You Guys' Fault I'm Not Popular!" (私がモテないのはどう考えてもお前らが悪い!) and never credited the creators.
I think they also claimed that they made it "better" which is just outrageous
Fr, the original song is still really good, and it sucks that all the credit is going to the person who sampled it
To add, a good number of fans recognize this as the "deadman incident", that's what we called it. In fact, if it were not for a few good die hards, deadman would have actually gotten away with this for one small reason, the excuse of "fair use"; and it's because a majority of people don't understand what "fair use" is or how "fair use" applies. If you don't know what "fair use" is, read it up. And because it affects someone/something outside of America, American law doesn't apply, thus the excuse of "fair use" is also defeated, because a completely different set of rules is enforced. This is where the few die hards came in, because they had to research, link, and convince multiple touhou fans across the world to work together to put in copyright tickets to the TH-cam system. Even a petition was created. This lead to a strong 30,000 fans, afaik, worldwide to take action. Originally, Shibayan was afraid of what would also happen to them, because of what deadman did. Because, would this also mean that entire circles be destroyed? Everyone feared what ZUN would ultimately do if he found out. Part of the "old rules" was to never commercialize the touhou music, and that's what eventually happened. However, theft is theft.
There were two people involved, "deadman", obviously stole the track, did his thing, releases it as "Omae Wa Mou", though the video today is edited, that was the original title. There were also no credits in the original description, though It's there now. In fact, the original description was him selling "samples" of his "sample". From there, his friend or cousin, "Lil Boom", he "sold" a sample to. Lil Boom takes the sample, uploads it to YT, calling it "Already dead". Lil Boom also tries to sell "samples" of his "sample" to other people, calling himself a "distributor", while "deadman" was the "producer".
After the huge hits and fame, they decide to sell the music to a label. The video misses one other label, there was another one other than "United Masters", forgot what the name was, so 3 parties involved. From there, United Masters and the other label both "acquired" the "rights" from deadman and Lil Boom and not only distributed it everywhere, like Spotify, but also sold it on platforms where they could, like iTunes, Amazon Music, etc.. However, thanks to brave Touhou fans communicating across the world, and also finally somehow magically getting in touch with ZUN, he was alerted. Everything afterward became "hush hush" is part of the dark history of the Touhou Music circles that nobody is really allowed to talk about, even Shibayan forbid people to bring it up. Some legal stuff happened, the other music label company backed out (dunno what happened to them, however United Masters was still there. For a time United Masters still had "rights" in some areas, then they finally disappeared. Finally, it got around to deadman, and he ended up in court. Then all the bio stuff, and all the videos and description on his channel were either changed, or deleted over time (he also sampled and sold other older and lesser known Japanese songs, but were popular in Japan, like Plastic Love by Mariya Takeuchi). There were no more details after that. However, there were still independents (literally people reusing it or doing covers) making the song in odd places and selling it. Dunno if that ever got shut down.
In light of all that, a new copyright Content ID checker system rolled out from YT, and in addition to this, that's also when everything on YT went crazy and started striking everything, and that's how a lot of videos disappeared. A lot of YT accounts disappeared. Then on Facebook, after the crisis was over, something very extremely unusual happened. All touhou fandoms were getting busted (potentially from either lil boom or deadman during talks with the government, because they literally picked up them up, and the two kids had also threatened to bring the touhou fans to court over harassment). A lot of FB users got terminated, and many groups simply vanished, even some people completely disappeared, no details on the Twitter side. And it wasn't just in America, it was all over the world, wherever touhou existed.
In the end, did justice get served? IDK, that's up to you to answer. Even if you did say yes, then it was bittersweet, and the Touhou fans who stood up paid a price as well in the end. This is part of the dark history that nobody really knows or talks about. I admire the effort to spotlight this touhou incident, however, there were just a few things you either didn't know or left out. However, it tells most of the story.
woah, thats really tragic...
could this also be the reason why alice margatroid channel got terminated on TH-cam?
@@dogethedoge25 it was actually. YT was purging all traces of duplicate content, simply the easiest way to keep their hands clean. We lost a lot of videos after that.
@@Matrix2Strata017 and just like that, the channel along with most of the iconic touhou arrangements with millions views on YT disappeared to thin air.
Honestly ... I was not aware about this.
Thank you
Hadn't been for the comment section on some deadman's Omae Wa Mou reupload about the original song's source, I wouldn't even know about Tiny Little Adiantum's existence.
thanks for spreading awareness of this! i love shibayan's work and i think tiny little adiantum was my introduction to them. wasn't even aware of the plagiarized version
Yeah never make the TH fandom mad.
It never ends well.
There is a whole board /jp/ dedicated to just mostly unspoken rule touhou
I’ve been listening to Shibayan since before Omae wa mo and I was at first happy that they were getting more attention until I found out that they were not credited at all
The entire problem reminds me of another song being stolen. Basically there’s a song of Ievan Polka being sang by Hatsune Miku, and you can’t upload it since it will get copyright claimed by an artist called Busy Signal, on their song Sports Day. The song is literally the miku song, but the guy makes noises over it. He is able to now copy claim anything that has the original song he stole. I first learned about it from 2 videos that were copyright claimed by it. Both of the videos (puyo puyo music videos) came out before the song.
There's also "fabulous secret powers" you should know it as he man heyeyayayay meme
Thank you for making this, I'm currently training to make music and I would honestly be heartbroken if this happened to me, I feel so bad for the creators
Shoutout to the “remix” for leading me to listen to all 12 albums
isn't it 20+ albums (including the electronic ones, the og bangers)
finally someone in english community talks about this , a chilean youtuber named derker bluer made a video of it like 2 years ago , but today english speakers still praise the creator of the song , thanks so much.
i'm a doujinstyle oldhead, so its really appreciative that something kinda niche like shibayan gets the coverage it needs. also, based kaoru pfp
Bro #1 girl yk
It's amazing how much trouble covers can get you in if you are stupid enough to pretend that you aren't covering a song. If people want to plagiarize music, all they have to do is claim it's a cover. It's amazing how easy it would have been to make this theft "justifiable". Literally, all Deadman had to do was release them as covers, and then direct people to the original artist when asked about production. It's also interesting how there seems to be a wave of trendiness every decade or so, where sampling and covering is the norm, then a decade later, people claim it's "plagiarism". In the 90s, covers were so common that they could sometimes be clones (especially with 90s happy hardcore). It's annoying that the term "plagiarism" is so much more subjective when it comes to music than other forms of media.
Edit: please keep in mind, this was written before I saw the copy pasted leadin for that one song, and heard about the copyright claims. It's pretty clear that Deadman would NOT be able to avoid controversy by releasing it as a cover. That's wild that he actually copy and pasted the part of that song... How is someone who is capable of producing music on a computer not capable of realizing that that's guaranteed to blow up in your face?
as a touhou fan i genuinely thank you for making this video. i hadn't seen any other vids about this song, subbed!
Thank you for making this video, I was really frustrated about this situation back when it happened.
Thank you, although I haven't heard of this particular song I keep finding remixes/bootlegs of existing songs getting renamed without any credit to the originals. I wouldn't have any problems with them if they did, but for some reason people have a hard time giving tribute to the OG. It's not the complicated, just use this format: "OG TITLE (REMIXER/BOOTLEGGER ARTIST remix/bootleg)." Or if you want to give it a new name for whatever reason: NEW TITLE (REMIXER/BOOTLEGGER ARTIST OG TITLE remix/bootleg). And if you have new vocals throw in a "ft. VOCAL ARTIST" after the title. As long as you let people know you didn't invent the song, do whatever. The problem is when you don't and plagiarize it.
Shibayan is also responsible for one of the most banger doujin albums of all time, Magico Catastrofe, listen to it NOW!!
will do
Wish shibayan made more nu disco albums, they're all bangers
@@Forgued truth! he makes cool music overall but those are the ones where he really goes next level, they're like made with even more passion
Thanks for this video, I was always frustrated that this information wasn't out there while hearing a remix that was just fresh-weeb bait.
When my little sister showed me the Deadman mix of the song back then, I was super confused because I had already been listening to Shibayan for quite some time and it was something just a little bit different but not quite. Dunno why I didnt tell her that it was kinda stolen, maybe I didn't want to be a know-it-all.
I love Shibayan Record's work and I've been listening to their arranges for so long, since 2015. I can't pick any favorite songs but if you want my recommendations for ear candy, these are some of the arranges I like the most:
オズネイ・ハマンはもういらない (I Don't Need Any Oznei Haman Anymore)
GAZE IT
紅涙にしづむは供人の憂い (That Which Sinks in Crimson Tears is Her Companion's Melancholy)
シンデレラは魔法使い (Cinderella Is A Magic User)
アナタガモトメルモノ (That Which You Are Seeking)
月齢11.3のキャンドルマジック (Lunar 11.3 Candle Magic)
I randomly found the original once when I had a normal mix playlist running in the background,
I know the "remix" only from memes and only like the first few seconds, didn't know it had even a full song
I mostly connect with the meme the cute dance