DOCTOR REACTS TO A TEENAGER DIAGNOSED AS GAY | Psychiatry Doctor Analyzes Old Medical Videos #2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.พ. 2021
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As a gay psych DOCTOR in 2021, I'm looking at a psychiatrist assessing someone who was gay and mentally ill in the 1960's. This was at a time when it was both illegal to be gay AND it was a mental illness. Gay people were left with a choice - prison, or be labelled with a psychiatric illness and have it "treated" with a type of conversion therapy. Everything from talking therapies to drugs that altered peoples libido.
Homosexuality. was in the DSM as a type of personality disorder until 1973 when it was removed in the 3rd edition after protests. Even then, the practice of conversion therapy and psychiatrists trying to correct and change sexual orientation continued.
Conversion therapy still happens today! Its one of those things that everyone thinks is illegal but it isn't. Interestingly, it only seemed to apply to men. Having sex with other women was not illegal nor was it really treated as a mental illness. Psychiatrists in general were much more supportive of gay women than gay men.
Credit goes to Pika Grape Snack's channel for the original video. Check out this channel because its an incredible resource and its clear how much work has gone into it.
This video has so many interesting talking points. As a gay psychiatry doctor in 2021, I've done a reaction video analyzing the medicine to see if this young man is really psychotic or if there could be something else at play. Do check it out and let me know what you think, esp. as its LGBT+ history month
Remember what happened to Alan Turing. He was one of the 50-100 people instrumental for winning the WWII and was treated at the end like an abomination
Thank you so much for saying this 2 years ago. Unfortunately it's gotten worse since this. I came out as a transmasc nonbinary person a few years before i finally got on HRT right before America quarantined in 2020. I feel so much better about myself physically, while feeling more scared about existing than I ever have as a queer afab person. The community feels very different after living as my true self unfortunately. So glad there are people in our community willing to speak up for the T in the acronym. I've been used to it from straight people, but the reaction from what used to be a given safe space has been really hard to process. Thank you. You seem truly lovely, even aside from this.
Man this is just sad. And it kind of irks me they didn’t even recognize bisexuality even though he himself directly states it as such. Also unrelated but I love his turtle neck, just want to give him a hug
I agree. Both about the attitudes towards sexual orientation at the time and the turtleneck
In Hanne Blank's book "Straight" she talks about how "bisexuality" was used differently in the past, though from him talking about having relationships with both men and women, it's totally possible. I do wish the video were longer. I hope he got better.
I really wanted to hug the guy in the video and tell him that there was nothing wrong with his sexuality. He seemed like such a sweet timid guy.
“Conversion therapy” still happens in the United States to teenagers in residential schools and camps everyday and it sucks. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard testimony from survivors but it’s heartbreaking honestly and it’s happening right now.
Its atrocious isn't it? Unfortunately I think it still happens in corners of the UK too yet our government won't make it illegal!
Isnt this usually a thing of very religious people? Or who else is interested in their child doing a conversion therapy?
@@altenberg-greifenstein As a Christian, I believe what the Bible says. Nevertheless, if my son "came out" as gay, I wouldn't send him to conversion therapy. It's sad that too many Christians are like this. I have a gay coworker that barely talked to me for the first year we worked together because he thought I would be rude to him if I knew he was gay. I found out shortly after I started and it doesn't bother me and I don't treat him any different than anyone else. We've actually become pretty good work friends. Lol
Happy to say my anxiety and depression have very little to do with my queerness! I think that counts as some kind of progress lol
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Lol that me laugh out loud.
Helped make more sense why Allan Turing committing suicide after failed therapy. One of the worlds greatest geniuses ended so sadly.
My heart goes out to that poor man - He seems drugged up to the eyeballs.
Maybe hes on some medicines but to me I just felt this profound sense of sadness and confusion at who he is and how he can express his own identity. I think it's a really powerful video
Psychomotor retardation from depression can present like this. No psych drugs need to have been given.
Poor man, his grief and distress are so great it’s palpable. That level of distress resulting in depression can lead to psychomotor retardation. Absolutely horrible how society can be towards individuals and groups that don’t ‘fit the norm.’
Thank you so much for this. As a gay trans man, it's greatly appreciated. Internalised shame and a sense of inadequacy still really sting in more vulnerable moments. Even rougher is when it comes from within the community. I have been called a "Chinese knock-off" with "missing parts", my genitals referred to as "your two inches" by another gay man who evidently found me lacking in some key areas...
Obviously the man was a massive arsehole, and I shouldn't put stock in anything he said. Having insight does help, but insight is hard to maintain when the going gets tough.
I don't ever wish I were straight, but I'm ashamed to admit I still wish I were a cis man. These types of thoughts are a big taboo in the trans community.
Be assured that everyone I know who is trans thinks exactly the same way you do. Whoever said it is a taboo to think like that, what even is wrong with them? It is the normal thing for everyone to think. We are not an object for political correctness. We have a right on our own thoughts and feelings. You are definitely not alone with it!
So sorry you've heard the all too common vitriol most of us have heard in the dating scene. You're right those people are dicks, and you don't deserve that. You deserve basic respect like anyone. Knowing that doesn't make you feel that all the time though. :/ it is hard.
While I don't necessarily think it's a taboo to wish one was cis in our community, leaving it open that it is an individualized issue, and not a guarentee in a trans person is certainly encouraged. There's nothing wrong with having those feelings, but in my personal experience, it is a direct result of my internalised transphobia. Just bc it's ok to have unproductive thoughts doesn't mean it's not a result of something unhealthy. I struggle with these thoughts and feelings a ton, but i think it's helpful for me to be realistic that my experience isn't everyone's, even in very similar circumstances. But it's counterproductive to put myself down about having unhelpful- and, in my opinion, unhealthy- thoughts about my transness. And unnecesary and innacurate to think other people could not deal with issues I do deal with.
@@altenberg-greifensteinit's only "normal" bc there is an unfortunate societal pressure and expectation of cisness. If trans people were not stigmatized, there would be no reason to feel bad about it. Cis people don't wish they were trans. Why would they? There's no pressure for them to not be themselves.
It really points out that even then Bi Erasure was a big issue. He seems like he was Bisexual to me, it would be nice if you could track down his history and see if he’s still alive today and if he is then it would be cool to sit him down for a chat and talk about his experiences and see if he would identify with a particular label today or not.
Or if not maybe there are some people who lived through this era willing to discuss it? Discussing lived experiences brings psychiatry’s focus back to the person.
My therapist has always helped me a lot with accepting myself as pansexual, I can't imagine what would have happened to me if I lived during this era.
I find myself thinking the same thing. I'm grateful I wasnt around in this era and grateful for those that paved the way so that today is so vastly different to what it was
Dr Carthy, thank you a ton for doing videos. I am a straight guy but my daughter has been telling me for about 4 or 5 months now that she doesn't know if she likes boys or girls and, while this video doesn't really touch on that conversation very much, channels like yours have been a great resource for me to learn more about it and how to help her as she figures out how she feels inside. She's only 11 but I can remember when I was 11 and how the thought of who I liked began to turn romantic so it's hard to gage how to go about talking about it without going to far for an 11yo. I am definitely a liberal and have always done my best to support LGBTQ+ communities so this was not anything that I had to wrestle with. Anyways I just wanted to tell you that I really liked watching your reaction videos to Scrubs and IASIP because those are two of my absolute favorites but the more I looked at your channel the more I found amazing and inspiring content. You're awesome and thank you for furthering my education on this!
It was a sad video; I wonder if there's any information out there about what became of the young man. I hope he was able towards self-acceptance.
As a trans person it really warmed my heart to hear you nod to the trans community at the end there. This video was hard to watch as a member of the LGBT as well, but things like this are important to listen and look back on. Learn from history or be doomed to repeat, right? Something like that anyway...
It's so scary to see this and I'm very glad that we're making steps (even if its only baby steps) to finally accept and understand LGBTQ+ people. Everyone deserves to be happy
I found your channel through your IASIP videos. I’ve seen this interview before, and a couple others from a similar time period as I was doing research for a writing project of mine (I am autistic and wanted to write an autistic character in that time period, so I was looking at that and other things that don’t need “curing” but at the time were viewed as such). I really like your discussion of the interview and you picked up on some things that I did not my first couple of viewings, which I guess is also to be expected considering you are a professional. Excited to watch more of your videos!
Would love to see reactions to episodes of My Mad Fat Diary, really enjoyed the series (although I have no idea if the therapy scenes were actually acurate or helpful lol)
I second this!! It's a really good show!!
I am very empathetic and this video made me cry because of how that poor guy felt and I am a straight male.
This makes my heart hurt... It's so much better now, but we've still got so far to go.
Ugh watching this was so frustrating. It's so frustrating that so many people suffered and still suffer just because of the actions of the rest of society. Doesn't help that lots of people, like my parents, still think being gay is a mental illness and trans people are still often treated awfully.
This poor guy. I can’t believe this. I wish he could live in todays world it’s still tough but nothing like what he had to live with.
This is what should make all scientists be humble about their knowledge, (most doctors feel like they have the doors to the universe) and Im not invalidating the vast knowledge they've acquired thru study but I feel its so important to keep in mind that just yesterday you all agreed homosexuality was a disease and fellow human beings were put into treatment for just being... there are soooo many examples thru history yet we still think we definitely are the one generation that knows it all and get nothing wrong... we need to be humble, we need to keep questioning everything and not let our guard down...
This breaks my heart.
This was so painful to watch. I’m a gay man who grew up in a conservative religious community in the US and have been hospitalized for paranoia, delusions and hallucinations (initially diagnosed as schizophrenia). Though my sexuality wasn’t seen as a disorder in the hospital, to the degree that we can say trauma triggers symptoms, I would surmise that my church, family and social environments were a big contributor to their manifestation.
The hopeful side of me wants the video to be about a comedy skit where he is sitting down and they break the mood by diagnosing him as gay and smiling like it's a good thing.
I know it is unrelated to the video but I am just curious why the other videos in this playlist are privated
They were scheduled to be released at certain dates and I think that's why. They're coming though
@@DoctorElliottCarthy okay
The dsm didn't get rid of homosexuality completely until 2013. First it was declassified as a diagnosis in 1973, then in 1974, the DSM was updated and homosexuality was replaced with a new diagnostic code for individuals distressed by their homosexuality. Distress over one's sexual orientation remained in the manual, under different names, until the DSM-5 in 2013.
Horrible, eh?
He sounds southern too. Speaking as a Texan, that must have been an absolute nightmare of an existence.
He was from Meridian, Mississippi. Absolute nightmare for certain.
@@anthonyaustin3370 😞
A mental illness AND illegal? I mean... ofc I find both constructs to be ridiculous but.. how could people back then affirm that it was a mental illness (hence, not a choice) AND illegal?
Am I the only one who can't process this weird duality? 😅
Anyway, good videos, I love this channel
Poor guy. "Branded a homosexual" akin to The Scarlet Letter
He needed a friend who appreciated him just for doing his best at being himself.
I'm glad I don't live in the 1960s.
Something worth pointing out: he mentions developing "a bisexual arrangement" at one point in the video. The term bisexual back then didn't mean the same thing it means now. It meant something more like "of both sexes" (in this case meaning "male and female") and was used as an umbrella term for a variety of different lgbt+ identities. It was widely believed back then that "attraction toward women = male" and "attraction toward men = female", and that men who were homosexual were this way because they believed they were women. Which is where the stereotype of gay men being effeminate and unmanly comes from, and is why gay and trans people so often get lumped together, because they were once believed to be different expressions of the same identity "disorder".
I think people forget how much of a stigma homosexuality still has even in the west and in Europe. My father is 51 and told me this year that one of his friends who went to school with him in Germany bullied rand experienced so much stigma for being gay that he developed such strong depression ( i don’t want to assume if that was the only reason) but when he was a bit older he killed himself that was in the late 80s
Thanks for mentioning that this is how society is treating trans folks! Though, the bigots still think that way about gays tbh...
America in particular was incredibly religious at this time and many gay people were certain that they’d be damned to hell for not being able to change who they were.
Have you experienced any of this? Can you associate with these feelings?
Mmhmmm… I was like you once doc. You can’t just do a video on fraud but dance around this. Just because you’re good n nice. I’m just like you & learned about the world the hard way….. ps they never say’s schizophrenia in that video you only mentioned it in your reaction #acrisisinpsychiatry
Poor guy. I hope he got better from his affliction and met a good woman to marry and start a family with. Many men who end up with this horrible affliction sadly were abused/traumatized in their earlier years of life. Many also tend not to have a masculine loving father present in their lives. I hope that more of these victims of trauma get the help that they need to get better instead of having the negative effects of their trauma be normalized and treated as if it is something to be proud of.
I wonder what's the point of making homosexuality illegal. So this guy wants to have sex with dudes, and to punish him for that, let's send him into a closed space exclusively for dudes? How could that help or do anything? Prison is awful no matter the sexualiy or anything at all, and just because you're gay doesn't mean you're gonna have a good time there, quite the opposite probably. But I mean in minds of people that decided it should be illegal, I wonder what were they thinking, how did they rationalize this idea...
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You deleted my comment! OMG.
I didnt delete anything. I only delete comments if they're spam on really over the line in terms of offensive. Dont know what happened to your last comment, sorry. Try leaving it again maybe?
@@zalzalahbuttsaab what transphobic BS. You should've had your comment removed.
@@kennethlawson1582 it is just a different opinion based on a different life experience. Different points of view are not the same as hate, fear or rejection
@@ariadna1787 it's a different transphobic opinion. Regardless of life experience and whatever else
@@kennethlawson1582 I usually understand 'transphobia' as hate/fear, etc, against trans people. And I don't see fear or hate in that comment. From my point of view, I don't agree with certain statements he/she made, but I believe they have been respectful. I also believe it is important to encourage debate and to respect everyone's opinion to be able to learn and grow personally. But that is just my opinion...
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