Talkative Churchgoer Stalks Pastor Before Killing Secretary | Mary Jane Fonder Case Analysis
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Imagine being so weird and annoying your pastor stops answering your calls. 🤔🤣
I don’t think this is all that unusual. Pastors seem to be a magnet for weird and sometimes unstable women. I worked for a time in a rectory office and there were a few eccentric or strange women always wanting to speak with the priests, the young, good looking one in particular. There was only one who called for the old, grumpy priest, and she was calling to complain.
@@mariekatherine5238 lol. Oh dear. I honestly can't think of anything less attractive than a man of the cloth.
Like Ned Flanders 😂😂
Not that hard to believe
He later felt that she needed to attend another church.
"You can't deny what is going on between us."
"Of course not. You're stalking me."
Why haven't the police gotten with the tree cutter to locate the area that she called sacred? The body of her father's probably there and he needs justice!
Yes, I was wondering the same thing. They need to dig up the entire yard and look in the crawlspace.
That's what I thought!
I thought the same thing.
She's dead
Dating married men is never the move
Understatement of the century.
I'm sure all those married men's wives found out while their husbands were questioned as to their whereabouts/alibis during the crime. The price of admission for stepping outside of your marriage is you will become suspect if your mistress turns up dead.
12:35 "I think that Mary Jane probably was involved in her father's disappearance but there is no way to know for certain."
Dig up the hole from hell
The pastor expressed concerns bc she was coming onto him. They told him not to worry about it.
I hate when people say not to worry about somebody being inappropriate bc I always worry something like this will happen and in this case it did.
Agreed. Churches are welcoming places but he had a right be free from harassment. If there’s one thing that Dr. Grandes videos have taught us it is that obsessions can be dangerous
One preacher I listened to a few years ago said he NEVER counseled a woman about anything without another woman present, usually his wife. Either a preacher is in charge of his congregation, or he isn't, lol. I don't know exactly how it works with evangelical lutherans, but surely this pastor had some "supervisor" in the church hierarchy he could have talked to first and then brought this woman into the discussion. In fact, the other woman who cheated with married men (if this was church gossip) also needed some "counseling." See I Corinthians 5 KJV, where you can read all about how Paul had to chew out the liberal Corinthian church for not dealing with a fornicater (one who "had his father's wife"). In II Corinthians, Paul did relent after that church and the fornicator had suitably dealt with the situation. Today, I guess somebody is probably going to get sued or shot. Unfortunately.
@@elizabethhamm5320 well heck, ma’am.
@@elizabethhamm5320 they probably thought he’s a man he just needs to get over it, or she’s just crazy she means no harm, etc etc but I’m telling you, once people are brave enough to approach you sexually even though you’re not comfortable with it or it’s unwarranted then pretty much anything is possible bc they’ve already gone that far in their mind. Makes me sad bc what if that was my dad and he was uncomfortable with some crazy woman and a bunch of people told him to just get over it. Maddening but typical even today.
Of course it will. People need consequences or they’ll keep going.
The church is known for downplaying things like this.
I think there are more ‘unusual’ folk in Church because they’re lonely and looking for friendships - and usually Church people are more accepting of different’ people and those with habits that people ‘out in the world’ wouldn’t tolerate… and none of us are meant to judge x
Most Churches aren't that welcoming to normal people either. Often they just pay lip service to being welcoming. If you are a lonely person trying to make friends....church is a bad place. It should not be. None of my friends is from Church. Many traditional Churches don't practice fellowship at all. Service over....everyone outta here. No coffee in the foyer and chat. No they don't want that.
You obviously haven’t been to some churches I’ve been to…..it’s a competition with clothing … who can sit in the front rows etc
Dating married men = cursed life.
Yes but some women think that if a man is married, he must be more attractive, because he has someone. Single guys must be creepy because Noone wants them 😆
Because its true unfortunately. Ive dated married men because i dont want a live-in relationship and all the tie down that goes with it. The single men in my town are single because they're creepy, and immature @@Dilley_G45
The titles kill me every time 😂 "Talkative" lmfaaaooo Dr. Grande's deadpan humour is the best part of his videos.
"Grand Slam Revenge" This shouldn't have made me laugh so much, but here we are 😂😂😂
Lol! I was half expecting to hear Moons Over My Hammy at some point. 🍳
What are the odds of retrieivng a murder weapon from a lake ?? 😳
Kid needs to pick some lottery numbers for his Dad.
Ive seen magnetic fishing on TH-cam and those guys pull up lots of weapons and ammunition. They have to call the police out and sometimes bomb squads. I had no idea this was a hobby!
@@Vonononiegoggling now. Sounds like a treasure hunt!😂😂
The kind of person i avoid, step carefully around and pay attention to any cues of jealousy or vindictiveness towards me. In which case it would be better to go to a different church. Some scary people out there.
Scary people at church.
Try the workplace.
There should be a whole channel for that subject.
@@bluecollarlit in many cases yes. I lived 40 minutes north where I am now and attended 2 small country churches where the Pastors knew everyone and arranged activities among the members and everyone supported each other. If someone needs help, people pitched in. Obnoxious people didn't want to stay. The other church was really tiny and unpretentious.
I think it's important to go to a church where people get to know each other and function like family and has a Pastor that will confront bad behavior.
"She talked to them for 4 hrs, mostly about topics unrelated to Rhonda Smith's murder. The officers couldn't get a word in edgewise." That's right Mary Jane, distract and evade.
Thank you Dr Grande for providing us with YEARS of great content. It's very much appreciated. 🙏🙏🙏
Nicely put. Yeah, thank you, Doc. You’ve become the one constant in my life. I don’t know if I’ve missed an episode of your channel in a couple of years.
Okay, the “heart growing fonder” joke was outstanding!!😂😂😂
13:33 _"...[prison] couldn't make the heart grow Fonder, but it could make the Fonder grow a heart."_
I live for the wordplay.
I worry about how many Dr. Grande videos I’ve been watching lately. How he works so tirelessly without being tiring I will never know. Dr. Grande, I’m thankful you are a good addiction.
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@@rileyanderson7379I truly, highly doubt that idea.
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She did move from her city to help her parents when they were older. I really believe there should be more help for caretakers not just physical, but definitely emotional, etc..
If her father and her were arguing, it, of course doesn’t dismiss doing away with him if that’s even what happened, but if you’re the only caretaker for someone who’s elderly, it’s very easy to get burned out and definitely the United States needs more support for caretakers even just emotional
Not to mention the fact that it's quite obvious just from her behavior that Mary Jane suffered from a form of autism as well.
"Jane Fonder" sounds like a mid 2000s rapper reading a mid-80s workout VHS title.
Lol!!!!
I remember that VHS. It was a nice workout! 🤣🤣🤣
@@lizbensoncoxyup, never ever found out what she said. Never had the sound on
But Fonder ain't got a motor in the back of her Honder...
I really don't know how Dr Grande does this without bursting into fits of giggles, he's definitely practised the art of keeping a straight face
I'm not sure of his background, but if he has a clinical background, clinicians often have great poker faces
He does burst out laughing but edits it out. On very rare occasions he will add the "bloopers" onto the end of a video.
he's a licensed therapist... I'm not sure if he ever had a practice or he's just taught and researched but if he actively counselled patients he's probably heard some shit
I laugh so hard at the most inappropriate times 😅
It's called dead pan humor. See: Adam Corolla
@6:54 "Sorry, Mary Jane; the congregation is just fonder of Rhonda." 🤷🏼♀️
Oooo, that's a sadistic groaner.
These people live among us.
I know someone almost exactly like her. Even down to the cluster b mix. I broke off all contact because of the talking. I'm pretty sure it was a psychotic symptom (pressured, tangential, disorganized speech) but it was enough to drive *me* to trauma response. No exaggeration. She could not stop or control it, but with her it seemed more episodic. Obnoxious, intrusive, attention seeking, aggressive, vindictive, competitive, yep all of the above. Glad she's on the opposite coast from me. She phone stalked me with breather calls and hang-ups for about a year.
Sounds scary.
It was, but the scariest part was the inability? refusal? to have any insight. Zero.@@KaarinaKimdaly
Stalkers are no joke! They are not only detrimental to the safety & well-being of their victims, but they really are deranged & dangerous. To me stalkers really are best defined as, it's only a matter of time before something bad happens...
They are very scary and I've unfortunately had a lot in my life. When I was homeless I would be stalked all around town, no matter where I went. It was shocking to me everytime I realized the same man was following me for weeks at a time, everywhere I went. I was thinking they were plotting to kidnap me. So then I would switch towns and pick up new stalkers. It's a dangerous world.
But I trust in the Lord and I believe the Lord is the only reason non of them actually did kidnap me despite all the close calls I've had. Like having to sleep in front of a gas station under the cameras in fear of those men trying to harm me. Thankfully the cashier's agreed to me sleeping there after explaining to them my situation.
Also, people who are severely jealous out of the blue!! Let us all please be on guard and protect yourself against snap jealous ppl. Do not IGNORE the mean things others do to people.
She wasn't really a stalker though. She was just mental.
@@kmanebonywoodskinsouthernu4513 This is very true! When I first became homeless it was because my cousin's and their cult friends drugged me and I left before anything could happen to me and I got a DUI. I was in jail and lost everything I owned including my house, car and my job. Then I became homeless and was still around them because I forgave them. They are my family and I had nowhere else to go. My mom passed away and my dad wasn't stable and is an alcoholic. So if I wasn't doing it for myself then nobody else would.
Well they tried to kill me 3 other times and the last time I was beat over the head with a metal baseball bat and drowned in the creek. I would have died but woke up under water while my cousin was holding my head under the water and then her boyfriend pulled me out of the water and told them to leave me alone.
So I survived multiple attempts at my life due to 3 jealous women and their jealous friends. It's been 6 years and I plan on never talking to them or giving them any of my time ever again.
Stalkers are now using Apple Tags to track their victims. This has become a huge problem.
"The (Denny's) Grand Slam Revenge," cracked me up!...:-)
That's the one that got me, too!
I live near Springfield . I still wonder what happened to her Father!
I’m wondering why they didn’t check out the “hole from hell”.. surely they know where that house is.
I just bought a true crime book about this case yesterday, and this video pops up in my feed! So weird!
What's the name of the book?
@@jkjives1786 Love Me or Else by Colin McEvoy and Lynn Olanoff
@@jkjives1786 I think YT is shadowbanning the book title for some reason. Title: Love / Me/ Or /Else. Authors: Colin McEvoy and Lynn Olanoff
@@mbb-- Thanks! I have had certain comments disappear for no good reason, even when I've posted them repeatedly.
Was the 'sacred space' investigated for her father's corpse?
Doctor of Psychology, Master of the Pun
It’s my birthday today and I’m spending part of it enjoying your videos. I agree that having to listen to Mary Jane talk non stop should be classified as cruel and unusual punishment 😂. I definitely wouldn’t want to be her cell mate. She even creeped out hardened investigators.
Happy Birthday! Fellow Aquarian 🎉
Thank you
Dr. G., your puns are killin' me.
*OMG! RIGHT-ON YES!* This is one of my ALL-TIME Top 5 FAVORITE *"True Crime's"* stories! Thanks Dr Grande.
Another MUST-DO one is the Military Medal of Honor Imposter who tried to *"UNALIVE"* His Wife several times before being arrested & sent to jail. Only to have the state of California make Her pay Him Alimony when She divorced Him! Ugh, The Gull! Thankfully, She was able to lobby the legislature & get the laws changed in the state.
Great Story! 😉👍❤
When I was a Pastor in south Louisiana, there were people like this.
There's probably at least one in every congregation
I knew someone just like this. They cause so much trouble for you when you are just being nice.
I am never ready for your play on words😂... But I always look forward to your analysis. Thanks, Dr. G.👍🏼😊
I heard "church" and knew immediately it would be crazy.
There are crazy people everywhere.
Why should a church be the exception?!
Edgy.
Hahaha no kidding!
“ The murder part”. Always well timed!
Dr Grande, HOW on earth did you manage to keep a straight face at 13:39 😂😂😂
Absolutely brilliant. Thank you for the morning belly laugh.
I'd like to see outtakes!
@@annika_panicka me too! In some of his older content he used to sometimes put them at the end, they were hilarious 😂
@@AshleyNord Lol! Thanks - I'll have to check them out. For some reason I haven't ventured into the back catalog yet. It's amazing how well he maintains a straight face in the current-ish ones. Occasionally there's a glint of a smirk (but not a smug one), but his deadpan delivery is so dry. He must enjoy himself coming up with the references to [I forget which story this is] Denny's, Billy Joel songs, etc. And the puns in the thumbnails are award-worthy!
On a slight tangent, the tone of the delivery and the spiel of the intro and outro are so consistent from video to video you would think he's editing it in but he records it anew each time as evidenced by his shirts-that's hard to do! Maybe he's lip-syncing. 😉 Paging RuPaul...🏁
@@annika_panickaI thought he had one at the end of that rude lady judge who got busted texting in the courtroom 🤔
You're fun to listen to. Your jokes were wildly entertaining today! I would never hear the news stories because I intentionally avoid it all. You make them more than merely tolerable; you make them enjoyable. You and your wife have a blessed evening.
Thank you Dr Grande for reviewing this case. You can always make me laugh. The police couldn’t get a word in edgewise.😂😂😂😂
I laughed, too,
at that phrase.
Todd Grande seems to not have a very high opinion of police, or at least of their interrogation style.
I think it is always unwise to overgeneralize.
I think I've seen bumper stickers that say I'M NOT FONDER MARY JANE on cars from the 1970s.
Thanks for sharing your eloquent speculation on this fascinating case, Dr. 👍
Unfortunately, these kooks are all around us.
Thank you for another interesting true crime story.
I believe Mary-Jane murdered her father. If her father had gone off to live else where he would have still needed and wanted his pension.
Poor Rhonda 😢
I think you are right. 60,000 is a lot of money to steal and she was broke. I think they would have found him. An 80 something man doesn't just go missing without a trace.
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Oh this case was crazy
When you see a Mary Jane in the making, what do you do? How can you help them?
Dr. Grande, that was an extremely concise, accurate, and entertaining evaluation of this case. You offered so many more details in less than 15 minutes than what probably amounts to at least 2 hours worth of videos from other sources that I've watched about this case in the past. Great job, per usual!
Dr Grande....aka...Dr Cactus.! Sent with good cheer. 😉😘
If Roger Hargreaves was still on earth, he could write a brief bio,
entitling it Mr. Prickletickle and make the character cactus-shaped and mustachioed. . .
I suppose he is dry & prickly
This is an intriguing case of jealousy, delusion and hatred.
Thank you for the review, Dr. Grande.❤
She was bold for contacting Rhonda parents after her death
I think she asked for Rhondas shoes. I saw it on Forensic Files or one of them.
Deadly Women also did an episode on this story. Fonder was a strange unfulfilled person. Sad all around.
I remember this story.
Mental illness at it finest
Thank you❤
I remember this case. She was very mentally ill, so many church goers are anything but moral. Great points again. Thanks Dr G😊💞💞
I actually laugh aloud everytime I listen to you.. very therapeutic you are Dr.. 😂
"Par for the course..." LOL!
The jokes just keep coming. Great work Dr. Grande!
I don't think I have ever watched a Dr. Grande video without laughing out loud at least once. The stories are messed up but he has the best dry humor.
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The golfing gags made me chuckle 😅
Have you covered the case of the St. Louis police officers who played a deadly game of Russian roulette, killing one of them? It would be interesting to hear your take on the case. Nathaniel Hendren and Katlyn Alix
Interesting case to cover. Thanks, Doc!
I enjoy your videos so very much. You outdid yourself with Denny’s grande slam! I especially enjoyed your references to golf ⛳️ as well. Please take care of yourself. 🎉❤
I almost spit out my drink at the Grand Slam comment!
Yaassss i always love a low key reference to 'the murder part' - Love you guys in the podcast, interesting topics, great comraderie and intelligent banter will always be a winner! Oh and those tangents!!
Freak- there's 1 like her in every church
I think it’s because they’re lonely and looking for friendships - and usually Church people are more accepting of different’ people and those with habits that people ‘out in the world’ wouldn’t tolerate…
Good video. It was also said that her hair appt was actually an appt to get her wig styled. This also helped investigators with time line of opportunity.
I just found out how helpful the playlist is! It divides the many many many videos into easy to search categories! So great!
Wow, I'm from the Allentown, PA area, which is ~45min from Quakertown. Very interesting case.
Hi Dr. Grande, good afternoon from Southern California.
This is a really creepy case. Mary Jane was exactly where she belonged. Though I feel sorry for her inmates. I also feel sorry for everyone at Evangelical Lutheran Church who had anything to do with Mary Jane.
As always I learn something new from your videos.
A golf business professional .... This pastor or "pastor" should have fired the secretary when they found out that she dated married men and also obtained a restraining order against the stalker!
It's part of a pastor's job to be accepting. The cheater woman was getting better. Apparently you're unaware of the biblical story about men about to stone an adulteress to death. Look it up. It'll give you a glimpse into Christianity.
@@alukuhito Hi, I know the Bible quite well. Now you read 1 Cor. 5, read the whole Chapter.
@@albertafarmer8638 No.
Yes…the nightmares,,just may be..“ mainly because of the murder part.” 🤭
Gosh I do feel sorry for her. If she’d gotten the correct care, she might not have become a killer. Sad case all around.
And what would the correct care be?
Help from mental health professionals.
@@kathyharmon2093agree … just wondering … very difficult to treat such people … particularly when they don’t seek treatment
Nobody noticed my man dropping bars from 2:55 to 3:07. The amount of sports puns there didn’t go unnoticed.
This is a case where it is certainly easier for me to understand an insanity defense.
Sir , you have surpassed yourself today ! Re the Fonda growing a heart comment !
Really appreciate your humour but also your understanding of the human psyche .
Greetings from New Zealand : )
I’m surprised the church didn’t fire the secretary for immoral behavior
I couldn't agree more with you!
Too many "elders" were closely associated with her.
@@glendasully How do you know?
I think there’s a few different people inside Mary Jane!!!
"Despite not fitting in"- those words show she may have been a lonely outsider who had trouble making friends and eventually lived in a fantasy world which was real to her. Church is a place where all should be accepted but unfortunately is sometimes just another clicky group of people who reject outsiders.
I agree in that sometimes they are hotbeds for hypocrisy, communal narcissism, virtue signaling cliques.
An old cigarette advertisement popped into my head, something like,
"Wherever particular people congregate" (sic). Similarly, "Choosey Mothers Choose 'Jif' " (peanut butter for their family).
Oh no, I sense a nostalgic tangents stream arriving on track 11. Save me, Miss Betty.
Yes and no. People in churches try harder than most to accept people different than themselves but some people are so disordered that no one can tolerate being around them. Talking as excessively as this woman is enough to drive anyone away.
With her symptoms such as needing to be the center of attention all the time, one suspects that she wasn't interested in reciprocal adult relationships, and because she alternately idealized and then demonized acquaintances, there would be constant drama not based in reality (bad mouthing others). Very high maintenance, more like a client than a friend.
@@evelynwaugh4053I agree. People who need to be the center of attention don’t often do well in church environments and tend to burn their own bridges.
This is a very VERY great one! I know some ppl in their 70s starting to creep me the freak out acting like this lady...
Thank you big time Dr Grande!
She had mental issues long before her 70’s, he stated she had a breakdown at age 8
@kathyharmon2093 I agree. And I know getting older just means you stop 'hiding' your real personality. Hence me living my best life now!
behavioural & emotional changes can be a symptom of dementia or Alzheimers. Please look out for these people if you can
Dr G. Is the best analyser ever💯💯💯✨✨✨😎👍✨✨✨
Mary Jane needed to smoke some Mary Jane
I think she might prefer meth by the looks of it
😂😂😂
Nah. She's not a loser
SORRY, but marijuana is a bane to society and not a benefit, and ditto for other psychoactive drugs, including other drugs like ethyl alcohol and the Big Pharm promoted to the public ones.
For the most part they are pastiche
treatments for symptoms alone.
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Dr. G is the most consistent TH-camr who doesn’t simply repost other’s content but makes fresh, quality content on the regular. I always look forward to hearing him speculate on these bad people.
This is such an interesting and informative video, Dr. Grande. ❤ We look forward to hearing from you every day.❤ Your expertise is appreciated.❤
Thank you Dr. Grande. I had requested this analysis because I knew Ms. Smith's brother during this horrible time. I'm very glad you were able to help share it with the world.
Her behavior may have stabilized in prison because she was given structure and mental health treatment. Just a guess. It’s so unfortunate that the same treatment may have been available before Mary Jane killed anyone but she lacked the insight to cooperate. FYI Allentown is right up on the corner from my house in Bethlehem. Quakertown is 20 miles south, on the way to Philadelphia. And Springfield Township is on the way to doylestown
Interesting title..I'm intrigued!🤔
2:20 _"... delivering a Grand Slam revenge"_ 🍳 Nobody can drop a reference as subtly as deadpan Dr. Grande. As soon as Denny's was mentioned, I wondered how he'd manage to work Moons Over My Hammy into the video. It was the only signature dish that came to mind, but not even the master himself could make it sound relevant. He wouldn't want to be disrespectful or jeopardize his professional credibility.
the puns flowed with this analysis, oh wait, just opinion, thanks Dr. Grande
Sounds like the character on Misery. I love your dry humor.
Good afternoon,Dr. Grande! I hope you're enjoying your day! Thank You!
She was a kook.
Dr. Grande, I love your sense of humor!😂😂
I read a book about this Case. Thank You for covering it!
Another great show Dr. Todd. I enjoy watching all your video's. Love how they are not hour's long.
Great analysis of MJ Fonder's mental illness. It just shows how seemingly harmless individuals can be super dangerous.
"Don't worry about it"
-the initial response of every church scandal/crime ever.
Your Trenton accent (which is, of course, adjacent to the Philly/Bucks Co. accent) is perfect for this one.
...but sometimes makes the fonder grow a heart.. wa wa wa waaaahhhhh....
We appreciate your insights, Dr Grande. Keep working hard as always.
You made us wait till the end to work “Fonder” into your analysis.
Halfway through the video, I felt kind of bad for thinking that Fonder would probably do well in prison, but then it turned out that she d8d. Interesting.
Not the Grand Slam Revenge for $7.99 😂