It’s 27k gross sales. So probably half of that net. And then these “consultants” have to “reinvest” in the company and buy more inventory. And of course pay taxes but she didn’t do that lol. But these MLM people like to flash big numbers but what they actually take home is significantly less.
I believe they have another longer video about this company and they encouraged them to look a certain way and to invest money back into company. Then the company had shit quality with their clothes so a lot of them ended up losing money because they had tons of clothes they couldn't sell.
I think it also has to do with the culture of lularoe... they’re taught to push sales on others, but they also get sales pushed on themselves... lularoe intentionally normalizes spending your entire pay check on “wants”
They don't. Most of the purchases are from actual sellers. Most sellers end up with tonnes of ugly inventory they can't get rid of and often it gets sold onto other sellers when they go out of business.
Heather Cameron exactly! Lularoe could give a rats ass if you sell stuff on to your customers, Lularoe already got your money 💰 the LLR representative (use term loosely here) is Lularoes target market.
What I've noticed, in all these 'poor me, I fell for a pyramid scam' videos, is that not one of these women mention feeling bad for all the other women that they personally conned & used to work their way up the financial reward ladder. (Oh WOW! Thanks for all the likes, I really appreciate it!)
Although I think the cult like attitude of the mlm makes it so those girls rlly do believe what they're saying to others. I think most were just delusioned and didnt know what they were dragging others into. At least by being in these type videos they're raising more awareness than they probably could just locally
I have an old friend that has recently been consumed by the Arbonne cult. Now all she does is irritate everyone by trying to sell us stuff. It's just awful, I'm like of you need money I'll just give you money stop being a salesman instead of our friend!
"Addicted to shopping." "Second bankruptcy." Honestly, it sounds like Lularoe was not her only problem. It was just gasoline on an already existing fire.
39k TAX debt, seems she didnt pay taxes when she earned 15k+ a month. If that is the case then fuck her, no empathy from me. There is nothing worse then someone who stops paying taxes after you get a well paying job, and then crying that you are in debt once it goes down.
Update for anyone new: as of May 2021 she sells Red Aspen nail products and Plunder jewelry, both MLMs. I feel so bad for her. She is exactly the kind of person these awful companies prey on.
@@natanyaparsons8491 I saw on a different LLR video that they have tax laws in the states that make it tricky for sudden high earners, because they have to pay taxes quarterly and if you don't, you're fined. but most people don't pay quarterly taxes so they don't know that until its too late.
I can get over her joining the pyramid scheme. But not paying taxes and quiting a decent job to professionally shop when you were addicted to shopping? That's where she lost me.
The Wordsmith I thought I was the only one who noticed that too. She was addicted to shopping - got into a pyramid scheme Where her income is based on her selling & buying products. It’s the same as someone addicted to caffeine working at a coffee shop
Lets all take a step back and peep that 3 seconds of text on the screen at 5:03. "Jill is now working to pay of $39k+ in tax debt." Key note there is TAX DEBT. I hate MLMs as much as any normal person would but this person was making money hand over fist then simply neglected to pay her taxes? I don't even want to hear "ohh she didn't know..." F that she has very detailed records of her income week over week for 18 months. She knew she needed to pay taxes and didn't. This one is on her.
The Luo she actually didn’t make much. Lularoe coaches it’s sellers to reinvest most of the money they make into buying more inventory, so she most likely didn’t have much cash on hand.
@Lucky Catnip see the way it works is that while they are making money the company heavily influences them by giving them a gift reward and telling them to invest the profits into more inventory and new stock. So they actually ate majority of her profits. That how the pyramid makes its money at the top
She'd have been better off just working a regular j-o-b/career in the first place. But the MLM industry calls jobs "Just Over Broke", "Just Obey the Boss" and "Just Outside Bankruptcy" so she's in a Chapter 13 repayment bankruptcy any way.
Shafer Gaming Exactly! I knew someone who sold $6k/ month and I thought man that’s amazing, but in reality she was still in the red with the company. I never understood how she still owed them so much even after selling so much.
This is absolutely why personal finance needs to be a required class in high school AND College. You should not have this much debt when you were making that much. You are supposed to pay self employment taxes quarterly not annually. Why couldn’t the car have been bought outright? Wow. Maybe she will find Dave Ramsey- he would definitely help.
And how much attention do students pay to _required_ classes? Zip. Offer it, yes and reward those who pass [passing in this class oughta be 95%!] somehow - but then you've got to wonder........who would teach it? The same kids who have a 4-year degree in writing and &100 G in student loan debt?
I doubt that's the reason certain people have spending problems. I think it's common sense that if you over spend, that you're going to be in debt, or not have money to survive. This isn't a problem for most people. Most people understand they need to be wise with their money. These grown adults know better, so I have zero sympathy.
“34 and going through bankruptcy twice. I feel so stupid.” Ok maybe it makes me heartless buuuut you should feel dumb! You were making more than enough to pay your damn taxes, pay off that car, put some money in the bank, SOMETHING.
This woman is currently selling more MLM crap. She's not a victim. She's naive. I repeat, she's NOT a victim. She gets herself in these situations by being naive, foolish, and immature. She needs to grow the hell up.
As of July 2021 she's been selling Red Aspen nails and is still doing Plunder, so she has literally been hopping from MLM to MLM since VICE interviewed her. She needs professional help; she clearly has an addictive personality, and in spite of MLMs bankrupting her, she continues to dump money into them.
My dad was the same way. he went broke and had to file for bankruptcy because he sunk all his money into pyramid schemes. He kept thinking he was going to get rich. Instead he lost well over 200k and went broke had to file bankruptcy. he didn't learn his lesson with the first pyramid scheme and he never learned, he had an addictive personality, exactly the kind of suckers these corrupt companies are looking for
@@mirandataylor6385 Less work is the false promise that MLMs sell you. They tell you about flexible hours, self starting, entrepreneurship, and friendship, all just for a small starting price of hundreds if not thousands of dollars. They specifically prey on people who don’t have a lot of time and want to earn money quick and easy and are easily swept up by people who throw out buzzwords. So both what you and the other person said are true. People join MLMs thinking that they can work less, but in reality, they end up working more.
I was wondering if the amount she made was her gross or net pay? If it was her net pay she was making a killing in the beginning she probably should’ve made as much as she could,and ran out as soon as it hit the fan. She could’ve paid off the car she got repossessed and had a little bit saved up to pay her taxes. But I guess you just don’t think when you’re in the thick of things. SMH
@@simonejt8060 As I already said, she didn't make 150k. She sold 150k worth of product in the first year. Her personal earnings were significantly lower since she had to pay for her inventory of clothes in the first place. She probably made like 30-40k of profit before taxes.
@@simonejt8060 bingo. That's why pyramid schemes should be avoided. First problem was buying the bait. Second was not paying her taxes. Third was investing in a failing business by taking out a loan.
She doesn’t even realize that she paid for her own cruise ... “put the money back into the business..”?! So you got tens of thousands of dollars of clothes on hand ???
They're encouraged to do this by their uplines.... because how else are they gonna earn their coin? Eventually, you run out of Facebook friends and family to market to - so you rely on your lackeys buying shit from the company (where you get a bigger % commission off the purchase from bigger packages) to earn $, it's far more lucrative. Therefore, the reps themselves are the company's biggest customers.
If the said company believes so much in their products, they would send it to you first, you send them their cut when it sells. Consignment like deal where the seller(the one interacting with the customers) pays for the product as it sells.. Or return it in a postage paid box provided by wholesaler.. But what's the point, if every bit of money you make goes to buying more stuff that may not sell.. You should get a FULL REFUND on crap that didn't sell..
She mentions sales....but those sales numbers at least half is out of her own pocket. How much was actual profit in the bank every month??? Her wild claims of 10k 20k a month in sales doesnt mean shit when it amounts to 2I in actual profit. And then that profit goes to buy more trash clothes so she can buy her "free" cruise. Lolololol
Agree, remember there's a reason why they were not sold in stores. Like all pyramids they have subpar products that would never sell in a conventional way.
And they know it, too. I buy clothes second-hand off Mercari, and every seller correctly lists the brand name in the offer EXCEPT those selling Lularoe - they’ll put other brands in the listing and then you only see the actual brand name in the photos. 😡
working for grub hub isnt much better than working for lularoe. companies like grub hub, lyft, uber give you cash in your pocket, it seems reasonable for awhile. Then your car breaks or needs maintenance because you are driving around so much. Then you realize that all the money you have been making is going to go back into your car. You are actually making less than minimum wage.
ALOT of Lyft/Uber/GrubHub drivers just rent cars through Hertz, etc. You can rent a car for a week for like $300. In a big city, you can cover that cost in 4 days doing deliveries or dropping people off via Uber/Lyft. The other 3 days is profit. I know a few people that are doing this
#1 ON TRENDING personal insurance will not protect you if it comes out that you're driving rental cars for commercial use, and you can't register for commercial insurance on a car you don't own.
Those are exactly the types of ppl they target... Bored suburban housewives secretly racking up their husbands credit cards shopping on WISH & Amazon... Just like a drug dealer TARGETS addicts. To afford your addiction you start SELLING to other addicts. A company that's slinging cheap clothes needs shopaholics to buy them & turn around & sell them so they can continue to feed their shopping addictions... Sad.. These ppl need REAL therapy & NOT "retail therapy"...
dolokun all that inventory she had, she didn’t pay for! She paid a bankruptcy attorney twice for probably less than $2000 each time to wipe all that debt away! So those clothes were free!!!
Oh my gosh yes. I'm 26 and currently homeless but at least my only debt is school loans and unexpected medical bills(broke my ankle and didn't have insurance because I couldn't afford it). And my car is paid off. I just can't imagine making that much and not paying off my taxes and other debts as soon as possible. I feel for her but judging from the other comments it doesn't sound like she's learned her lesson.
@Honeysuckle Blossom I agree. I did say that judging from the comments she hasn't learned her lesson, some people just really think mlm's will make them rich, and I guess it does work for a small few but most just get scammed, sadly.
Before you put anything on eBay you have to do a search to make sure there aren't 6,000 listings of the same item. Will you make a profit (or any money at all) if you list 100 items at a listing fee of 0.35 each before 17 of them get seen and 5 of them sell?
I don't understand that. How can you NOT set money aside for taxes? If you run your own business, it's four times a year that you pay. So why not set aside money for that?
As of today (October 17th, 2021), she has learned nothing. 3 MLMs. Plunder, Beach Body, and Red Aspen. Vice did a great job with this video, it's a shame that Jill can't do a great job herself.
I appreciate Vice doing this story. I was just in a restaurant where a new big fancy Escalade was in the parking lot with a Lu La Roe sticker on the back... while eating I noticed a colorfully dressed person at a table next to us and couldn’t help but hear her conversation about how great the company is and how she just toured a production facility where the workers were thanking her for her business... it was so obvious the woman is in way over her head and after hearing what this company does with coaching people into going into debt it’s really sad and I’m happy Vice keeps shining a light on this cult/pyramid scheme. Even if we have google- brainwashing is real.
This video has nothing to do with lu la roe or mlms being bad. This chick is just shitty at managing her money and didn't pay her taxes... When you overspend and don't realize you have debt, you end up like her. It's no ones fault but hers that she is where she is.
@@josephn364 you're under every thread, going hard for LuLaroe...are you or your wife a hunbot, by any chance? MLMs are very BAD, just watch Vice's doc about how predatory LuLaroe is....
@@isitoveryet9525 the funny thing is, idk how this ended up on my recommendations. I don't care about any of this. I dont even know what lularoe is. I am familiar with Mlms though. I'm also familiar with human greed and expecting to make and spend money fast with no consequences. I don't believe in targeted irrelevant reporting like this though. If she doesn't 1099 her earnings on her delivery app, she's going to fucking owe taxes again. The root of her problem isn't a pyramid scheme, it's not mlms, it's not lu la roe. The root of her problem is her own stupidity. I will bet actual money that she won't pay taxes on her delivery earnings, any takers?
Lularoe was still a problem. It's been under legal fire for constituting as an illegal pyramid scheme; meaning it's not a company in which you can make a legitimate profit from selling to customers The profit is almost entirely contained to the pyramid of members or "consultants" in the scheme Your recruiter earned their paycheck from recruiting you and the money you spent on inventory to enter the scheme Because you have to constantly buy merchandise, you don't profit from sales to customers, instead you profit from recruiting others into the scheme, by getting a share of the money they spent buying the inventory frontload And for them to profit, they have to recruit as well, and so on Unless you are at the very top of the scheme, you are not earning money from selling merchandise, no matter how hard you try You earn by recruiting people into a scam; the profit comes from and stays within the pyramid, and that is why it's illegal This woman is an idiot for falling for it, although these scams specifically target women like her The fact she's now part of a different MLM, proving she didn't learn her lesson last time is truly where her problem is You can't win in these scams without scamming others. But only an absolute tool would sign up the scam a second time after being bankrupted once. Looks like she's only remorseful about the Lularoe pyramid crashing on her, and not the fact that it's going to crash on someone. So long as she's at the top, she doesn't care. That's an idiot with money who deserves to fail.
No, LulaRoe was definitely the problem. Any company that forces you to buy their merchandise upfront to sell is probably a SCAM. They use carefully crafted ads to con people in to their grift.
Those are EXACTLY the types of ppl these MLM pyramid schemes TARGET... I mean, most ppl who live responsibly with their finances would in NO WAY take part in these MLM pyramid schemes. I guarantee you could profile 99% of the recruits have previously (before signing up with the company) are either 1. Struggling with debt or 2. Suffering with impulsive spending habits or a "shopping addiction" These MLMs are like ANY OTHER PREDATOR in that they have a very specific type of PREY... Most adults that responsibly manage their finances wouldn't even consider buying into a scheme like this... So, that speaks for itself when it comes to the TYPES of ppl falling prey to these schemes.
She's in another 2 mlms based on her instantgram 😞 you can't help people that aren't willing to save themselves she's going to have a 3rd bankruptcy eventually
@@morganirvine2327 Agreed. i think the biggest risk is that every one tells you they're not an MLM and they're different, but they're basically all the same.
I'm not sure if she really made a killing because it appears she bought a lot of the stuff her self ie the clothes in the background but she didn't pay for the shit that wasn't inventory such as her vehicle. However, if she truly sold a bunch of stuff to someone other than her self... she should get into pharmaceutical sales... those bonuses you get to keep. They'd also take out taxes so she wouldn't have to work at Grub Hub at the end of a good sales year.
Sales is usually pretty sexist. Men tend to do the best since they are hired to the well paying jobs. Women usually end up in a call center unless they are very beautiful.
@@noeytindol5529 there are _plenty_ of ugly women in sales... that comment "sales is usually pretty sexist" demonstrates you know nothing about sales or careers or business development _or what sexist even means_ .... have you even ever had a job to pay to keep a roof over your head?
at first I thought that's what she meant because she was clearing in a pyramid scheme..... but then I saw she pulled up a dress with fucking triangle prints. lol
You were addicted to shopping and filed Bankruptcy twice at the age of 34 maybe you should do some serious soul searching it's you and no one else accept and take responsibility for your actions.
If there were any damn decent jobs out there that paid a living wage with some benefits maybe half the country wouldn’t get sucked in by these MLM shysters.
I thought all of those clothes piled behind her when they were interviewing her was her leftover inventory... then at the end she took one little bag left of lularoe stuff to goodwill... it seems obvious she is still struggling with a shopping addiction :(
@@2Sparrows4aFarthing In order to get one of those decent jobs, you have to invest in your education. Now, I don't neccessary mean college. I wish more people would go to Technical Schools, but I'm aware that they aren't for everyone.
I had never heard of lularoe until I saw story on TH-cam. It is 2019 who the hell is buying clothes from consultants?? Amazon prime. Instant gratification. Free returns. 🤦🏻♀️
fr. even if you're coming at it from the other side and want to sell clothes to bring in extra money.. just do drop shipping or referrals or something.
Yeah and now they have amazon wardrobe so you can also try it on for 7 days free and send back what doesn’t fit.... or not even.... you can legit drop it off at kohl’s or Walmart too now if you want.... there is literally zero risk to buy clothes on amazon. I pick out three pairs of jeans, order 2-3 sizes of each, and bam, fitting room lol. Obviously I don’t do that for like tshirts but you see my point, even if you’re getting pricey jeans you can order it, have it in two days, try them on first and then return them free if they don’t fit, as you said.
But bc Lula Roe consultants only would get sent random sizes and have like one outfit in each size or whatever only a few, especially in the few styles people actually liked... it set up this weird like.... competitive thing for stay at home moms. I swear it’s just endorphins, and fast talking, like a used car salesman, then it comes in the mail when you’re back in your normal headspace and you’re like what the fuck did i buy?! Lol
shutupsavannah That would reduce her “taxable” income which was noted as $150K. Taxable income is the number you use after expense deductions like inventory & things of that nature.
Thomas Moll FALSE, that is not how it works. Especially if you own a business, you deduct the cost of what you buy, you sell it...your difference is your profit. She’s a business owner & has two ways to earn income in this case. NEXT?
Phoebe Felice it shouldn’t be that difficult to keep track of that I really think she was buying shit she didn’t need or maybe she’s just stupid like you said
Have a heart. She has stated she has had an addiction: *an addiction to working* She's walking a fine line by having to go back to work like us plebs Edit: 🥲
MLMs don’t even sound too good to be true to me because you have to pay to join. You should NEVER pay for a job. Pay for resume and cover letter writing help and interview coaching, sure. But the job itself? No way.
I don't get the hate for this lady. Yes she was very stupid but she is actually making up for it and seems to have accepted total responsibility for her actions. The company is set up to trap you and they did with her... Anyways, kudos to her for moving on with her life.
She's not trapped with the company. She's trapped with the IRS wondering why the fuck she spent everything before paying her taxes. Did lu la roe tell her not to pay her taxes? Nah, dumb bitch decided that on her own.
Joseph Nguyen actually yes they do tell you to spend all your money, to reinvest one months earnings into the next. And when people ask about taxes they say shit like “ that’s okay just wait until tax time” to just put you off n shit.
Ummmm did she never pay tax? She’s an adult... she freakin claimed bankruptcy for “shopping too much?” No. No sympathies here. Sweet of you to donate the moldy clothing though.
@@ladyv5655 hey I think you are right. Actually, Most opinions that I read here are pretty much on who's to blame etc (I mean everyone has their right to their opinion too). Yours is rather insightful. Actually, Courtney Harwood who was on Vice as well; used to be a consultant for lularoe mentioned on another TH-cam video that she has been seeing a therapist and has been moving out of a seemingly cult mentality
When my husband died a stranger sent me a pair of their leggings with a bussiness card and asked me to join. They split in the crotch. This is literally a very privileged waste to 😥
Often women without much of a support group or social network are the ones that will fall into this type of shit, and then their social network and support groups become full of people also involved in the scheme. They make it seem like they are this tight-nit community that all have each others backs and it's really appealing to those who don't have that in their life.
MLMs, just like cults, often prey on people who don't have a good (or any) social support group. Lonely people or people who don't have healthy relationships are a prime target for them. MLMs and cults will "love bomb" you when you're new. Suddenly, you're surrounded by tons of new friends who compliment you nonstop, believe in you, and love you so much! ...Only this "friendship" and "love" is very conditional. If you start questioning the MLM/cult or leave, all of your new "friends" will mock you and/or shun you. MLMs and cults also try to isolate their members from any opposing viewpoints. Only the MLM/cult is right. Anyone who does not support the company/cult is automatically wrong. People who don't support it are all negative, stupid, misinformed, haters, jealous, toxic, awful, or even evil people who don't want you to succeed, so you need to cut them out of your life! Your friends and family who think you're making a mistake by being part of this, and trying to talk you out of it, are all just a bunch of dumb negative haters who are only going to bring you down, they don't actually care about you like we in the MLM/cult do! And even if an MLM doesn't explicitly tell you to cut off your loved ones...their sales tactics are an indirect way to cut them off. Constantly spamming your friends and family with sales pitches on social media and turning every social interaction with them into a potential sale is eventually going to drive everyone who doesn't want to get involved with the MLM away from you...which helps solidify the echo chamber.
Right...plus whose responsibility is it to tell her otherwise, especially when she was high off "success"? I'm willing to bet had they told her, she would've accused them of being jealous or a bunch of skeptics.
@@LynnAgain83 I moved to China a little over a year ago and I have only bought maybe a couple pairs of shorts and a couple t-shirts, and a couple of tanks in that time. I did well in picking out what to pack, and I'm proud that for someone who really likes to shop, I've not purchased a bunch of clothing or knick-knacky stuff. When I come home, I plan to do a closet clean out and just stick with quality stuff that I LOVE, as opposed to a closet stuffed with "bargains I couldn't pass up" that I hardly ever wear.
you only make that kind of money if you have people under you, it sucks that she ended up in debt, but there are a ton of people under her who spent their last free bucks for the promise of her lifestyle. She literally made that money scamming people.
@@valuecalc The solution is to improve them - have a government that gives a damn about the common man and funds them better. Education is essential, and cannot be missed just because at the moment it's a scam
@@crookedchaos253 Suspect that the MLMs pushed them to buy the most expensive vehicle they could. Have to make the hunbot lifestyle look attractive to the new recruits.
She's on 2 different MLMs right now as of today. Some people just never learn. Filed bankruptcy two times and shes STILL out here doing the same old stuff. 🤦♀️I really hope she figures life out and does better.
$150,000+ sales a year... $80-$100 a night delivering food. This lady needs to take a step back and look at the costs of doing business. I mean someone who sells real estate might do 3 million in sales a year but that doesn’t mean they make 3 million dollars salary.
The sad thing is that you couldn't discharge your loans....used to make you a more valuable citizen....but this lady who ran up like 40k in debt twice was able to discharge twice what you owe in loans.
PowerTuber 3.0 that’s the whole world bro, it’s just that Portland is the type of place you can show your true self. Assholes are everywhere. Just like cho’mo’s (fam,friends,and strangers)
I remember watching those people on Periscope and feeling like I was missing something. Some nights there would be 5 - 6 of them live streaming their "sales" and they'd be so amp'd over those ugly overpriced clothes, and each person would have at least 20 people watching and buying and they were excited too! Those live streams were strangely fascinating because the clothes were so ugly and unimpressive but everyone was so excited about them and they would sale out! I sent a message to a couple of the sellers asking about the company and were they really making big bucks pushing those overpriced Wal-Mart looking clothes. Both were very dismissive in their responses like if you're not buying something they didn't want to talk. I watched a few more times because again, it was fascinating! Like a cult were people were being brainwashed into believing those ugly clothes were the shizzle, fascinating! Oh, and the male sellers were really hilarious! There was one who streamed from a super messy overcrowded bedroom that he'd turned into his personal LLR warehouse. He acted like those awful stretch pants were dipped in gold and he couldn't contain his excitement.
Wait she’s one of the few who made money, so first off, she scammed a LOT of people. Then she blew it. So she’s just awful with money. This isn’t a victim.
slimydick23 no, but to make that money she did more than sell clothes, she recruited others to become sellers, and 99% of them lost money. Promised they'd get rich then found out nobody wants them.
Who quits a job to go work for a company that has no benefits or a pension? You obviously did not put any money aside. You did not see that the company was greedy, a rip off, and becoming over saturated. 37,000. in one month and none of it invested- not too smart. How did you not pay taxes? 37,000. a month and did not pay taxes. Bankruptcy is stupid- especially round 2. You should have to sell all of that clothing first. I do hope that your current company pays for health insurance, however.
I mean, some people like to give this "be my own boss" thing a try, and obviously MLM was targeting the stay-at-home moms who aren't really CPAs or anything. So I can see why she would quit her day job. but yes, she doesn't have the business skill to turn things around.
I’m just baffled that anyone managed to sell so many hideous clothes. I’ve visited their site out of curiosity and man, terrible designs. They must be really good at marketing because the product ain’t it.
Lularoe is a scam that preys on dumb, vulnerable people like her. So, yes, she brought this on herself, but LLR is culpable for exploiting her stupidity.
The problem I have with this issue is that the woman in the video (Jill Domme) was more than willing to sell, recruit and push something on other women that made her uncomfortable to start with. And although she learned it was a mistake...she kept it going.
Lot of comments of ppl making fun of her for getting into an MLM. The truth is she is a hustler, whether is a business or driving. Most people get satisfied working a 9-5 and never try anything new, but even if you fail the learning experience is far more important.
The problem isn't her or her friendship, we used to live in an economy where you could make a living off minimum wage. If this was still the case, she probably wouldn't be in this predicament.
Or maybe work hard, leverage skills or abilities, start your own business, and go learn things from trade school/college or people! Trust me. It's not just minimum wage. Minimum wage requires minimum effort.
@@Menaceblue3 If you can pay for college and not get thousands in debt. Then magically get a business loan with no credit or having other people money to back your loan.
@SweetPhantom But she said that she had a shopping addiction before she started Lularoe, and that's the reason she filed Chap 7 bankruptcy the first time. Her mismanagement of money started before this MLM.
She has a few problems if you actually watched. None of us should have to pay these taxes. The government stands at your door and knocks for their share anytime you make a cent.
@@ProductionsHabby I'm sure you enjoy roads, fire departments, police departments, the military, etc. Taxes pay for these things. She wasn't paying for anything, hence the car repo. Taxes were the least of her problems.
In the beginning of LLR, there was little to no information avaialble online for them. It was only when shit started hitting the fan and retailers and coporate people started leaking information that it was searchable, and obvisous what Lularoe was about
LuluRoe used to be so new that there wasn’t this info back then, that’s when a lot of these pyramid schemes actually do their best, in the beginning when there’s no reputation. But I would have just googled how ugly these leggings are
You had an addiction to shopping, no different than addiction to anything-it is all about dopamine and feeling good-in the moment. You are human, you are not a failure. Thank you for sharing your weaknesses and experiences, right there, that alone- proves you are an amazing person.
My dad fell into 3 pyramid schemes, Amway being one of them. He lost all his money and my mom (a stay at home mom) had to dip into her savings to cover rent. Ever since then, I’ve hated MLMs
My niece got mixed up in a pyramid scheme business, making lots of money (spent on their meetings, conventions, recruitment of others) . It wrecked her marriage because of too much"traveling " and mismanagement of funds while her husbands job actually was paying the bills. she hurt and took advantage of people , family using them for babysitting while she ruining around to meetings and conventions business trips. It all did zero for her.
(apologies for length) People who suddenly, literally, go from broke to having money to burn, are NEVER prepared for the actual handling of that money. It's all about BUY NOW! BUY NOW! SPEND SPEND SPEND. It'll last forever. My brother in law is a financial specialist and he said over 90% of folks who win the lottery (in Canada you don't pay taxes for the first year on any winnings, giving people a chance to invest or find a way to pay less taxes the next year when you pay taxes on any remaining principal) or, like her, make a lot of money quickly, actually go bankrupt. 90%! Let that sink in. He said one should always engage at least a bookkeeper, if not an accountant when fortunes change so drastically. Someone who is outside of family and friends and will keep them "in line" so this doesn't happen. AND most importantly research, learn, ask and be aware that with money comes more responsibility. Take charge and never, ever, ever, just tell someone to "handle" your money! Always be up to date on all financial transactions and sit with your money manager at least bi-monthly to go over accounts. Know where your money goes. That is the failing of those 90%. They don't want to do the work. Or don't think they need someone or don't want to pay someone to handle "their" money. So if you're hollering "It's her own fault.", and only 10% of folks like her do the right thing, don't pat yourself on the back too soon. Think what you'd do. Not what you think she should have. 90% of you are wrong if you think you'd do better. It actually sounds more like an endemic thing~in us, as a species, if you look at the hard evidence.
I don’t get these women, how can you make $27k+ a month and not have a safety nest?! Omg... I would’ve paid off my car and bought a home.
It’s 27k gross sales. So probably half of that net. And then these “consultants” have to “reinvest” in the company and buy more inventory. And of course pay taxes but she didn’t do that lol. But these MLM people like to flash big numbers but what they actually take home is significantly less.
Safety nest 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I believe they have another longer video about this company and they encouraged them to look a certain way and to invest money back into company. Then the company had shit quality with their clothes so a lot of them ended up losing money because they had tons of clothes they couldn't sell.
A lot of these girls are brainwashed to “live their best life” So more people would join
I think it also has to do with the culture of lularoe... they’re taught to push sales on others, but they also get sales pushed on themselves... lularoe intentionally normalizes spending your entire pay check on “wants”
Hideous clothes. I don’t know how they sell so much.
Rosy Javier army wives have a hideous fashion taste
They don't. Most of the purchases are from actual sellers. Most sellers end up with tonnes of ugly inventory they can't get rid of and often it gets sold onto other sellers when they go out of business.
Heather Cameron exactly! Lularoe could give a rats ass if you sell stuff on to your customers, Lularoe already got your money 💰 the LLR representative (use term loosely here) is Lularoes target market.
@@woodsjaelyn4225 🤣🤣🤣I can verify that for sure
Makes me suspect wether that money was made thru sales or recruiting
What I've noticed, in all these 'poor me, I fell for a pyramid scam' videos, is that not one of these women mention feeling bad for all the other women that they personally conned & used to work their way up the financial reward ladder.
(Oh WOW! Thanks for all the likes, I really appreciate it!)
Although I think the cult like attitude of the mlm makes it so those girls rlly do believe what they're saying to others. I think most were just delusioned and didnt know what they were dragging others into. At least by being in these type videos they're raising more awareness than they probably could just locally
@@pinkpink-kb6dl You make good points. Thanks.
Preach
No one made them buy the clothes.
@@grannygoes7882 hi, I'm not sure what you meant in your comment, when you say 'them', who are you referring to?
I felt bad for her until I found out she's now selling for two more MLMs. Come on now.
These ppl can’t get enough then they are addicted to the lifestyle of group think and belonging so they tend to just go right back to another MLM
That is crazy! This girl needs serious therapy.
Yup, she apparently never felt bad for the people she helped to exploit, aka her downline, until it was her own turn. Ugh.
She's now selling an mlm/pyramid scheme jewelry.
@@doncagape5409 Woah what!
I don't understand why they all speak in terms of gross sales and not net. Gross sales mean nothing!
Litterally fluff. That's all it is. Fluffing the numbers
@@Vlad2319 Exactly.
These MLMS look for people who have little business experience or who are a bit unsophisticated, financially.
I'd like to see the numbers after paying for inventory, paying taxes (which it seems she failed to do), and any other operating cost.
K exactly!
She’s the friend you’re constantly dodging because they’re always selling something new
yep, this is my neighbor
@@sableann4255 Time to move.
That ain't a friend lol
She's my mom XD
I have an old friend that has recently been consumed by the Arbonne cult. Now all she does is irritate everyone by trying to sell us stuff. It's just awful, I'm like of you need money I'll just give you money stop being a salesman instead of our friend!
"Pay your bills first, and your pockets last" - My mom
Pozorrogo wise mom
I am pounding this into my daughters head!
Both brilliant and so obvious we should all be doing it!
Stupid...
Your mom is a smart lady
"Addicted to shopping." "Second bankruptcy." Honestly, it sounds like Lularoe was not her only problem. It was just gasoline on an already existing fire.
39k TAX debt, seems she didnt pay taxes when she earned 15k+ a month. If that is the case then fuck her, no empathy from me. There is nothing worse then someone who stops paying taxes after you get a well paying job, and then crying that you are in debt once it goes down.
@@newdarkneoss3985 Yeah, she couldn't have been so dumb not to pay taxes. Even unemployment is taxed!
MLMs typically prey on women in bad financial situations, in college / stay at home moms, and 99.7% never see any kind of profit.
@@HoneyD109 I know of so many better options out there. People need to work online and from home more than ever these days.
lullaroe dose that to you they company forces you to spend and gets u addicted
They literally look like clown clothes
JasmineB_ , right. They're hideous.
Facts 😂
Don't do the clowns dirty like that
That's the perfect description of these clothes. Who would buy them and for so much money too?
JasmineB_ LMAOO
Update for anyone new: as of May 2021 she sells Red Aspen nail products and Plunder jewelry, both MLMs. I feel so bad for her. She is exactly the kind of person these awful companies prey on.
Maybe she just learned to join early lmao
Anyways, I hope she gets it one day
You're joking right? She is a grown person more than capable of making her own decisions. Just say no doesn't just apply to drugs
Do you also feel bad for the people she continously conning just to get her "fix"?
She’s failed to learn the lesson though.
Wonder if she's read this...
How does she have all her spreadsheets, work an analyst job, and somehow let it slip she needs to pay taxes?
I mean, MLM is a scam, but come on woman.
I was part of an mlm for a bit and they make it known that you need to pay taxes if you made over 600 I believe. She definitely knew.
HawaiianStyle what is MLM?
Camila Hernandez multi level marketing
Newdark Neoss
I mainly feel bad because she said she had breast cancer a few years back. I’m soft on people who’ve had cancer
@@natanyaparsons8491 I saw on a different LLR video that they have tax laws in the states that make it tricky for sudden high earners, because they have to pay taxes quarterly and if you don't, you're fined. but most people don't pay quarterly taxes so they don't know that until its too late.
In MLMs, YOU are the customer. You're not a "consultant/partner".
Very well said
Yes EXACTLY what I was gonna say!
I can get over her joining the pyramid scheme. But not paying taxes and quiting a decent job to professionally shop when you were addicted to shopping? That's where she lost me.
The Wordsmith I thought I was the only one who noticed that too. She was addicted to shopping - got into a pyramid scheme
Where her income is based on her selling & buying products. It’s the same as someone addicted to caffeine working at a coffee shop
@@laurastrong2768 No, I noticed it. She found a 'job' to feed her shopping addiction.
I noticed as well. Considering her past it was a very unwise decision to take on a job that was basically shopping when she had a shopping addiction.
When she said she had to take out loans to buy more inventory, I was like, "Girl..."
MLMs aren’t pyramid schemes. 🙄 Please learn the difference between the two bc they are significant. One is illegal, the other is not.
Lets all take a step back and peep that 3 seconds of text on the screen at 5:03. "Jill is now working to pay of $39k+ in tax debt." Key note there is TAX DEBT. I hate MLMs as much as any normal person would but this person was making money hand over fist then simply neglected to pay her taxes? I don't even want to hear "ohh she didn't know..." F that she has very detailed records of her income week over week for 18 months. She knew she needed to pay taxes and didn't. This one is on her.
The Luo she actually didn’t make much. Lularoe coaches it’s sellers to reinvest most of the money they make into buying more inventory, so she most likely didn’t have much cash on hand.
@Lucky Catnip see the way it works is that while they are making money the company heavily influences them by giving them a gift reward and telling them to invest the profits into more inventory and new stock. So they actually ate majority of her profits. That how the pyramid makes its money at the top
facts
She'd have been better off just working a regular j-o-b/career in the first place. But the MLM industry calls jobs "Just Over Broke", "Just Obey the Boss" and "Just Outside Bankruptcy" so she's in a Chapter 13 repayment bankruptcy any way.
Shafer Gaming Exactly! I knew someone who sold $6k/ month and I thought man that’s amazing, but in reality she was still in the red with the company. I never understood how she still owed them so much even after selling so much.
This is absolutely why personal finance needs to be a required class in high school AND College. You should not have this much debt when you were making that much. You are supposed to pay self employment taxes quarterly not annually. Why couldn’t the car have been bought outright? Wow. Maybe she will find Dave Ramsey- he would definitely help.
And how much attention do students pay to _required_ classes? Zip. Offer it, yes and reward those who pass [passing in this class oughta be 95%!] somehow - but then you've got to wonder........who would teach it? The same kids who have a 4-year degree in writing and &100 G in student loan debt?
Lacey S I don’t feel sorry for these people if I would have paid my house off and car you made 27k month
Lacey S absolutely!
I doubt that's the reason certain people have spending problems. I think it's common sense that if you over spend, that you're going to be in debt, or not have money to survive. This isn't a problem for most people. Most people understand they need to be wise with their money. These grown adults know better, so I have zero sympathy.
My high school math teacher now sells for LuLaRoe. 🤦 People fall so easily for the "get rich quick" junk.
The fact she was able to sell $35000pm of Lularoe just makes me wonder why she isn't in marketing or in sales.
She didn't make money from selling Lularoe, she made money off the people she signed up.
Its because its not about her. She just got in at the right time whem it was popular.
I wonder if she thought about saving those bonuses instead of squandering
@@lmusima3275 nah lol
Agreed - even if a portion was from recruiting fees, that still means she's both good with people and selling of some sort.
“34 and going through bankruptcy twice. I feel so stupid.”
Ok maybe it makes me heartless buuuut you should feel dumb! You were making more than enough to pay your damn taxes, pay off that car, put some money in the bank, SOMETHING.
Sure, but MLMs usually force you to reinvest your profit
Also 34? Is she shaving some years off that?
Don’t talk shit, poor girl fell for a pyramid scheme and she survived cancer.
Hippopotamus Anonymous she involved with another MLM company now. She’s not caught on yet.
@@hippopotamusanonymous1580 she is part of another mlm
People don’t understand the concept of saving, prepaying bills, and prioritizing money. I feel bad for her but money management could have saved her.
Yeah those are lessons I had to learn the hard way. I hope she learns something.
@@moomoopo she hasn't. She's in another mlm. Some never learn.
Maggie K Oh no! That’s awful news. Where did you find this update, if you don’t mind me asking?
Prepaying is the biggest lesson i have learned for sure.
Don't feel sorry for this idiot. She didn't learn her lesson and now she's involved in ANOTHER MLM.
This woman is currently selling more MLM crap. She's not a victim. She's naive. I repeat, she's NOT a victim. She gets herself in these situations by being naive, foolish, and immature. She needs to grow the hell up.
Brianna Gordy , some folks don't learn.
Brianna Gordy, not to mention extremely gullible.
How do you know shes selling more mlm?
Wish jewelry? If she could manage her money better, it could work. But I don't know why people don't just buy directly from wish lol
Whaaaattttt 😂😂😂😂
As of July 2021 she's been selling Red Aspen nails and is still doing Plunder, so she has literally been hopping from MLM to MLM since VICE interviewed her. She needs professional help; she clearly has an addictive personality, and in spite of MLMs bankrupting her, she continues to dump money into them.
No. She just doesn't want to work.
@@TILLEYJS MLMs are usually more work.
My dad was the same way. he went broke and had to file for bankruptcy because he sunk all his money into pyramid schemes. He kept thinking he was going to get rich. Instead he lost well over 200k and went broke had to file bankruptcy. he didn't learn his lesson with the first pyramid scheme and he never learned, he had an addictive personality, exactly the kind of suckers these corrupt companies are looking for
@@mirandataylor6385 Less work is the false promise that MLMs sell you. They tell you about flexible hours, self starting, entrepreneurship, and friendship, all just for a small starting price of hundreds if not thousands of dollars. They specifically prey on people who don’t have a lot of time and want to earn money quick and easy and are easily swept up by people who throw out buzzwords. So both what you and the other person said are true. People join MLMs thinking that they can work less, but in reality, they end up working more.
She was flexing about making $150,000 a year but couldn’t pay for a lady to do her quarterly taxes? Huh? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
She made 150k total sales a year. She didn't actually earn $150k. Regardless, she's a moron for not having taxes taken out of her earnings.
I was wondering if the amount she made was her gross or net pay? If it was her net pay she was making a killing in the beginning she probably should’ve made as much as she could,and ran out as soon as it hit the fan. She could’ve paid off the car she got repossessed and had a little bit saved up to pay her taxes. But I guess you just don’t think when you’re in the thick of things. SMH
@@simonejt8060 As I already said, she didn't make 150k. She sold 150k worth of product in the first year. Her personal earnings were significantly lower since she had to pay for her inventory of clothes in the first place. She probably made like 30-40k of profit before taxes.
Tamarocker88 oh ok I see. So she basically made enough to pay her taxes. Smh
@@simonejt8060 bingo. That's why pyramid schemes should be avoided. First problem was buying the bait. Second was not paying her taxes. Third was investing in a failing business by taking out a loan.
Judging by her instagram it looks like she hasn’t learned very much...
AryaLondonGonzales I’m starting to think she’s a collector of debt and pyramid schemes....
What’s her instagram?
Noe Montoya it’s in the description of the video
Her followers are fake too...how sad.
It’s Jill Domme 03 and you’re right. She’s selling jewelry now. Another MLM scam. Very sad.
She doesn’t even realize that she paid for her own cruise ... “put the money back into the business..”?! So you got tens of thousands of dollars of clothes on hand ???
They're encouraged to do this by their uplines.... because how else are they gonna earn their coin? Eventually, you run out of Facebook friends and family to market to - so you rely on your lackeys buying shit from the company (where you get a bigger % commission off the purchase from bigger packages) to earn $, it's far more lucrative. Therefore, the reps themselves are the company's biggest customers.
If the said company believes so much in their products, they would send it to you first, you send them their cut when it sells. Consignment like deal where the seller(the one interacting with the customers) pays for the product as it sells.. Or return it in a postage paid box provided by wholesaler.. But what's the point, if every bit of money you make goes to buying more stuff that may not sell.. You should get a FULL REFUND on crap that didn't sell..
She mentions sales....but those sales numbers at least half is out of her own pocket. How much was actual profit in the bank every month??? Her wild claims of 10k 20k a month in sales doesnt mean shit when it amounts to 2I in actual profit. And then that profit goes to buy more trash clothes so she can buy her "free" cruise. Lolololol
@@anniemacleod It's an addiction
As a someone who works in fashion, I must say these clothes are a crime against our industry
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Agree, remember there's a reason why they were not sold in stores. Like all pyramids they have subpar products that would never sell in a conventional way.
And they know it, too. I buy clothes second-hand off Mercari, and every seller correctly lists the brand name in the offer EXCEPT those selling Lularoe - they’ll put other brands in the listing and then you only see the actual brand name in the photos. 😡
And soo ugly.
I was literally just thinking the same when she held up that big ugly printed dress 😭
working for grub hub isnt much better than working for lularoe. companies like grub hub, lyft, uber give you cash in your pocket, it seems reasonable for awhile. Then your car breaks or needs maintenance because you are driving around so much. Then you realize that all the money you have been making is going to go back into your car. You are actually making less than minimum wage.
Stin yeah it should be a side hustle, I was actually thinking about doing it but I’d save money
ALOT of Lyft/Uber/GrubHub drivers just rent cars through Hertz, etc. You can rent a car for a week for like $300. In a big city, you can cover that cost in 4 days doing deliveries or dropping people off via Uber/Lyft. The other 3 days is profit. I know a few people that are doing this
#1 ON TRENDING personal insurance will not protect you if it comes out that you're driving rental cars for commercial use, and you can't register for commercial insurance on a car you don't own.
@@donkazoid how long have you been working for them?
Go get a bloody cheap Honda and stop using the uber/lyft profit for booze and other unnecessary stuff.
Her shopping addiction tranfered over to the MLM business.
Yup that's exactly what I said
Came here to say this . They got a golden ticket when they recruited her
Those are exactly the types of ppl they target... Bored suburban housewives secretly racking up their husbands credit cards shopping on WISH & Amazon...
Just like a drug dealer TARGETS addicts. To afford your addiction you start SELLING to other addicts. A company that's slinging cheap clothes needs shopaholics to buy them & turn around & sell them so they can continue to feed their shopping addictions... Sad.. These ppl need REAL therapy & NOT "retail therapy"...
She had a bankruptcy attorney that she worked with in the past? That should've told you to not quit your day job......
dolokun all that inventory she had, she didn’t pay for! She paid a bankruptcy attorney twice for probably less than $2000 each time to wipe all that debt away! So those clothes were free!!!
She's working for another MLM now according to her IG. This time she's selling jewelry.
@@ilovemycats1121 She should sell those free clothes to pay off her taxes.
She has an addictive personality. How can she do it twice in less than 7 years. Very confusing.
Pretty sure she saw a quick fix in lularoe and thought she didn't have to work that hard
"I have a bankruptcy lawyer that I used before" tells you everything you need to know about her life choices.
👍😅 bc one hard lesson was apparently not enough
Life choices? Didn’t President Trump declare bankruptcy?
Anyone else feel so much better about their financial decisions right now? Because I do.
definitely lmao Thank GOD I have a brain!
I may not make much at all BUT I am making it work in Southern California and this video made me feel wayyyy better
Oh my gosh yes. I'm 26 and currently homeless but at least my only debt is school loans and unexpected medical bills(broke my ankle and didn't have insurance because I couldn't afford it). And my car is paid off. I just can't imagine making that much and not paying off my taxes and other debts as soon as possible.
I feel for her but judging from the other comments it doesn't sound like she's learned her lesson.
Yes. Ive been unhappy with my 36k job for the past 6 months and these movies on lularoe really put this shit in perspective.
@Honeysuckle Blossom I agree. I did say that judging from the comments she hasn't learned her lesson, some people just really think mlm's will make them rich, and I guess it does work for a small few but most just get scammed, sadly.
Dont wanna be rude, but she doesnt seem very bright.
Hmm, "not very bright" plus obvious issues with impulse control and breast cancer under 35 yrs old... wonder if her neighborhood has lead pipes.
She's not bright at all. She's back doing another MLM!!
She isn't. She is more to be pitied than scorned.
No one who joins an MLM is very bright. That’s why they prey on them because they are so vulnerable and desperate.
"Dom(me)" actually means dumb in dutch so its fitting
I imagine Goodwill and Salvation Army stores are overloaded with LulaRoe
No we don’t use that trash, their products aren’t up to standards at All
I've seen quite a bit of new with tags LLR at the thrift stores I frequent.
@@grannygoes7882 I can't bring myself to buy it, even for resale. But it's also not in my ebay niche so there's that.
Nahhh use em for car rags
Yes, and the clothes are being sold at give away prices.
And yet now she's still selling MLM jewellery and is Beach Body "coach"...
Now furniture 🤦♀️
as of right now it’s jewelry wjdkdksjsjsjd
why didn't she just sell her inventory on ebay instead of donating it
Because it's literally worthless. She has to give it away.
nobody wants clothes that disintegrate
Because those are literally worthless. No one would buy them
Before you put anything on eBay you have to do a search to make sure there aren't 6,000 listings of the same item. Will you make a profit (or any money at all) if you list 100 items at a listing fee of 0.35 each before 17 of them get seen and 5 of them sell?
@@AaaaNinja I was thinking about her just getting some money back, not making profits, but yeah, the effort is also probably not worth it
I almost joined this company but my husband wasn’t feeling it. Happy I listened :)
Right ?!? Like mine would never in a.million years like how did a lot of these women get money from there husband for this?
Same 😂
Good thing, most of the time when you try to warn people from MLMs they get sooo offended
Right for the wrong reasons
Smart man. He's a keeper.
So she wasn’t paying taxes...
I don't understand that. How can you NOT set money aside for taxes? If you run your own business, it's four times a year that you pay. So why not set aside money for that?
Yip, the whole story could be boiled down to that. She didn't pay her taxes.
Well, taxation is theft but that’s another story
@@Herekittykitty01 agreed.
@@Herekittykitty01 How are you going to pay for public services or infrastructure then ? Tax is necessary
As of today (October 17th, 2021), she has learned nothing. 3 MLMs. Plunder, Beach Body, and Red Aspen. Vice did a great job with this video, it's a shame that Jill can't do a great job herself.
I appreciate Vice doing this story. I was just in a restaurant where a new big fancy Escalade was in the parking lot with a Lu La Roe sticker on the back... while eating I noticed a colorfully dressed person at a table next to us and couldn’t help but hear her conversation about how great the company is and how she just toured a production facility where the workers were thanking her for her business... it was so obvious the woman is in way over her head and after hearing what this company does with coaching people into going into debt it’s really sad and I’m happy Vice keeps shining a light on this cult/pyramid scheme. Even if we have google- brainwashing is real.
This video has nothing to do with lu la roe or mlms being bad. This chick is just shitty at managing her money and didn't pay her taxes... When you overspend and don't realize you have debt, you end up like her. It's no ones fault but hers that she is where she is.
High Five~!
@@josephn364 MLMS ARE BAD. they're all pyramid schemes. Get outta here!
@@josephn364 you're under every thread, going hard for LuLaroe...are you or your wife a hunbot, by any chance? MLMs are very BAD, just watch Vice's doc about how predatory LuLaroe is....
@@isitoveryet9525 the funny thing is, idk how this ended up on my recommendations. I don't care about any of this. I dont even know what lularoe is.
I am familiar with Mlms though. I'm also familiar with human greed and expecting to make and spend money fast with no consequences.
I don't believe in targeted irrelevant reporting like this though. If she doesn't 1099 her earnings on her delivery app, she's going to fucking owe taxes again. The root of her problem isn't a pyramid scheme, it's not mlms, it's not lu la roe. The root of her problem is her own stupidity. I will bet actual money that she won't pay taxes on her delivery earnings, any takers?
I know this woman didn't go bankrupt over granny clothing 🤦🏾♀️
HAHAHAHA, that comment had me weak! 😂😂😂
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I find it more ironic they think they are trying to find customers, when they are the customer... lol
😂😂😂😂😂😂
byeeee😩😩😩💀
LulaRoe wasn’t her problem, she made really bad financial/career decisions and is still making them...
Lularoe was still a problem. It's been under legal fire for constituting as an illegal pyramid scheme; meaning it's not a company in which you can make a legitimate profit from selling to customers
The profit is almost entirely contained to the pyramid of members or "consultants" in the scheme
Your recruiter earned their paycheck from recruiting you and the money you spent on inventory to enter the scheme
Because you have to constantly buy merchandise, you don't profit from sales to customers, instead you profit from recruiting others into the scheme, by getting a share of the money they spent buying the inventory frontload
And for them to profit, they have to recruit as well, and so on
Unless you are at the very top of the scheme, you are not earning money from selling merchandise, no matter how hard you try
You earn by recruiting people into a scam; the profit comes from and stays within the pyramid, and that is why it's illegal
This woman is an idiot for falling for it, although these scams specifically target women like her
The fact she's now part of a different MLM, proving she didn't learn her lesson last time is truly where her problem is
You can't win in these scams without scamming others. But only an absolute tool would sign up the scam a second time after being bankrupted once.
Looks like she's only remorseful about the Lularoe pyramid crashing on her, and not the fact that it's going to crash on someone. So long as she's at the top, she doesn't care.
That's an idiot with money who deserves to fail.
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No, LulaRoe was definitely the problem. Any company that forces you to buy their merchandise upfront to sell is probably a SCAM. They use carefully crafted ads to con people in to their grift.
LulaRoe is a scam, and their clothes are butt ugly. 😁
Those are EXACTLY the types of ppl these MLM pyramid schemes TARGET...
I mean, most ppl who live responsibly with their finances would in NO WAY take part in these MLM pyramid schemes.
I guarantee you could profile 99% of the recruits have previously (before signing up with the company) are either 1. Struggling with debt or 2. Suffering with impulsive spending habits or a "shopping addiction"
These MLMs are like ANY OTHER PREDATOR in that they have a very specific type of PREY... Most adults that responsibly manage their finances wouldn't even consider buying into a scheme like this... So, that speaks for itself when it comes to the TYPES of ppl falling prey to these schemes.
She needs therapy for compulsive behavior and addictive personality traits. Wishing her the best 🙏🏽
She's in another 2 mlms based on her instantgram 😞 you can't help people that aren't willing to save themselves she's going to have a 3rd bankruptcy eventually
She's a cautionary tale about the destruction from MLMs.
@@morganirvine2327 that is not good
Mlms need to stop.
@@morganirvine2327 Agreed. i think the biggest risk is that every one tells you they're not an MLM and they're different, but they're basically all the same.
She traded a shopping addiction for a shopping/selling addiction.
b2kzangelalwayz , laugh my ass off!
She should go into legitimate sales. She’d make a killing
I'm not sure if she really made a killing because it appears she bought a lot of the stuff her self ie the clothes in the background but she didn't pay for the shit that wasn't inventory such as her vehicle. However, if she truly sold a bunch of stuff to someone other than her self... she should get into pharmaceutical sales... those bonuses you get to keep. They'd also take out taxes so she wouldn't have to work at Grub Hub at the end of a good sales year.
Sales is usually pretty sexist. Men tend to do the best since they are hired to the well paying jobs. Women usually end up in a call center unless they are very beautiful.
She dosnt have the skills or background.
@@noeytindol5529 there are _plenty_ of ugly women in sales... that comment "sales is usually pretty sexist" demonstrates you know nothing about sales or careers or business development _or what sexist even means_ .... have you even ever had a job to pay to keep a roof over your head?
@@ingracebyfaith Somehow I think I know more than you in this regard. Do a little research.
"There are only so many ways to be creative with a triangle print" - not recognizing that a Pyramid is also a triangle... And she got burned.
at first I thought that's what she meant because she was clearing in a pyramid scheme..... but then I saw she pulled up a dress with fucking triangle prints. lol
Oh the delicious irony
shopping addiction, 39k in TAX DEBT, is now selling with two more MLMs. this is entirely on her.
You were addicted to shopping and filed Bankruptcy twice at the age of 34 maybe you should do some serious soul searching it's you and no one else accept and take responsibility for your actions.
D W thanks for the advice dad
If there were any damn decent jobs out there that paid a living wage with some benefits maybe half the country wouldn’t get sucked in by these MLM shysters.
I thought all of those clothes piled behind her when they were interviewing her was her leftover inventory... then at the end she took one little bag left of lularoe stuff to goodwill... it seems obvious she is still struggling with a shopping addiction :(
@@2Sparrows4aFarthing In order to get one of those decent jobs, you have to invest in your education. Now, I don't neccessary mean college. I wish more people would go to Technical Schools, but I'm aware that they aren't for everyone.
@@mOnika-pt6vk exactly invest in yourself is what I always say
"How my bad decisions hurt me, and why it's someone else's fault"
Classic narcissism
Every American’s current mentality these days...
THIS- she was actually very successful with LuluRose- surprisingly. All she had to do was not spend irresponsibly and paid her taxes
I had never heard of lularoe until I saw story on TH-cam.
It is 2019 who the hell is buying clothes from consultants??
Amazon prime. Instant gratification. Free returns. 🤦🏻♀️
fr. even if you're coming at it from the other side and want to sell clothes to bring in extra money.. just do drop shipping or referrals or something.
I have never known anyone who has ever worn those hideous clothes!😰
Yeah and now they have amazon wardrobe so you can also try it on for 7 days free and send back what doesn’t fit.... or not even.... you can legit drop it off at kohl’s or Walmart too now if you want.... there is literally zero risk to buy clothes on amazon. I pick out three pairs of jeans, order 2-3 sizes of each, and bam, fitting room lol. Obviously I don’t do that for like tshirts but you see my point, even if you’re getting pricey jeans you can order it, have it in two days, try them on first and then return them free if they don’t fit, as you said.
But bc Lula Roe consultants only would get sent random sizes and have like one outfit in each size or whatever only a few, especially in the few styles people actually liked... it set up this weird like.... competitive thing for stay at home moms. I swear it’s just endorphins, and fast talking, like a used car salesman, then it comes in the mail when you’re back in your normal headspace and you’re like what the fuck did i buy?! Lol
Lulaloe can be found in the thrift
These are those snitch preppy girls in middle and high school that got pregnant at 20 and then needed to fill the void of loneliness.
How do you make $150K living in Portland, in an apartment & don’t have $40k left. I think there is some pivotal deets missing.
MLMs always tell people to reinvest profits into more and more inventory. You can see some of those unsold clothes behind her when she’s talking
shutupsavannah That would reduce her “taxable” income which was noted as $150K. Taxable income is the number you use after expense deductions like inventory & things of that nature.
Phoebe Felice I mean, based on how much financial literacy she seems to have, I’m not sure if she factored all of that in? Not sure tho
Thomas Moll FALSE, that is not how it works. Especially if you own a business, you deduct the cost of what you buy, you sell it...your difference is your profit. She’s a business owner & has two ways to earn income in this case. NEXT?
Phoebe Felice it shouldn’t be that difficult to keep track of that I really think she was buying shit she didn’t need or maybe she’s just stupid like you said
4:57 "I had to go back to work"
Awww how terrible for you.
Have a heart. She has stated she has had an addiction: *an addiction to working*
She's walking a fine line by having to go back to work like us plebs
Edit: 🥲
A little advice: if it seems too good to be true, it IS!
Kaitlyn , correct!
Honestly, if she had save some of the money she made. She wouldn't be doing this bad.
MLMs don’t even sound too good to be true to me because you have to pay to join. You should NEVER pay for a job. Pay for resume and cover letter writing help and interview coaching, sure. But the job itself? No way.
Finding out that she is involved in 3 more mlms since this made my sympathy evaporate quite quickly.
I don't get the hate for this lady. Yes she was very stupid but she is actually making up for it and seems to have accepted total responsibility for her actions. The company is set up to trap you and they did with her... Anyways, kudos to her for moving on with her life.
She's not trapped with the company. She's trapped with the IRS wondering why the fuck she spent everything before paying her taxes. Did lu la roe tell her not to pay her taxes? Nah, dumb bitch decided that on her own.
Joseph Nguyen actually yes they do tell you to spend all your money, to reinvest one months earnings into the next. And when people ask about taxes they say shit like “ that’s okay just wait until tax time” to just put you off n shit.
Stupid people ruin the world and cause the rest of us problems so it's completely normal for other people to hate them.
But she's not accepting responsibility. She's trying to get a bankruptcy attorney so she can file bankruptcy. AGAIN.
Ehh.. filing bankruptcy is not “making up for it”
Ummmm did she never pay tax? She’s an adult... she freakin claimed bankruptcy for “shopping too much?”
No. No sympathies here. Sweet of you to donate the moldy clothing though.
Is she involved in ANOTHER mlm? Plunder Jewelry according to the bio/her insta?
Yeup thats mlm! I saw it on, " looks like a mlm but okay" or reddit or something....
Sadly, mlm people are similar to drugs addicts. Unless they get proper treatment and education, they just go on trading one addiction for another.
@@ladyv5655 Ah, man. fr?
@@ladyv5655 hey I think you are right. Actually, Most opinions that I read here are pretty much on who's to blame etc (I mean everyone has their right to their opinion too). Yours is rather insightful. Actually, Courtney Harwood who was on Vice as well; used to be a consultant for lularoe mentioned on another TH-cam video that she has been seeing a therapist and has been moving out of a seemingly cult mentality
Creepy stalker...
Maybe there needs to be a 12 Step Program for people addicted to MLMs.
When my husband died a stranger sent me a pair of their leggings with a bussiness card and asked me to join. They split in the crotch. This is literally a very privileged waste to 😥
I'm very sorry that your husband passed away. I hope you're doing okay.
"I fell for a pyramid scheme and now I have to do actual work."
Spencer J Elliott Except she is now in 2 MLM's...can't fix stupid 🤦🏻♀️
Welcome to the real working world...*HUN*
Katarzyna Zabinska 😂😂😂
She probably still believes that the next MLM will be the One!
Isn’t Mary Kay also a pyramid scheme?
She said she has so many people that love her, but no one told her this was a bad idea? Is her support group just as gullible?
Often women without much of a support group or social network are the ones that will fall into this type of shit, and then their social network and support groups become full of people also involved in the scheme. They make it seem like they are this tight-nit community that all have each others backs and it's really appealing to those who don't have that in their life.
MLMs, just like cults, often prey on people who don't have a good (or any) social support group. Lonely people or people who don't have healthy relationships are a prime target for them.
MLMs and cults will "love bomb" you when you're new. Suddenly, you're surrounded by tons of new friends who compliment you nonstop, believe in you, and love you so much! ...Only this "friendship" and "love" is very conditional. If you start questioning the MLM/cult or leave, all of your new "friends" will mock you and/or shun you.
MLMs and cults also try to isolate their members from any opposing viewpoints. Only the MLM/cult is right. Anyone who does not support the company/cult is automatically wrong. People who don't support it are all negative, stupid, misinformed, haters, jealous, toxic, awful, or even evil people who don't want you to succeed, so you need to cut them out of your life! Your friends and family who think you're making a mistake by being part of this, and trying to talk you out of it, are all just a bunch of dumb negative haters who are only going to bring you down, they don't actually care about you like we in the MLM/cult do!
And even if an MLM doesn't explicitly tell you to cut off your loved ones...their sales tactics are an indirect way to cut them off. Constantly spamming your friends and family with sales pitches on social media and turning every social interaction with them into a potential sale is eventually going to drive everyone who doesn't want to get involved with the MLM away from you...which helps solidify the echo chamber.
You can’t tell people like that
Right...plus whose responsibility is it to tell her otherwise, especially when she was high off "success"? I'm willing to bet had they told her, she would've accused them of being jealous or a bunch of skeptics.
It takes a real friend to tell you you suck. It's just too easy to smile and nod
I just reallly wish this girl would of learned but shes still selling beachbody..GIRL YOU LOST $ BC THATS HOW MLMS ARE SET UP. ALL OF THEM 👏
She says she's giving the rest of her inventory away. But I'm convinced most of it is still in the background 😂
Right, i was thinking the same thing. She has alot of clothes
She seems to like a lot of it, her style somehow
amazingabby25 yeah huge curtains to cover her body
I'm still trying to figure out how anyone can wear those hideous tights.
I’m donating the last 40 pieces of inventory....you are sitting in front of MOUNDS of clothes
How do we know which part was shot when?
cyoohoos she also said she was addicted to shopping. The mounds of clothes are probably hers.
Right?!?! I couldn't imagine having that much clothing! Jeezus
@@LilyR____________13 Yes, I was thinking the stuff she's sitting in front of is her own personal stuff.
@@LynnAgain83 I moved to China a little over a year ago and I have only bought maybe a couple pairs of shorts and a couple t-shirts, and a couple of tanks in that time. I did well in picking out what to pack, and I'm proud that for someone who really likes to shop, I've not purchased a bunch of clothing or knick-knacky stuff. When I come home, I plan to do a closet clean out and just stick with quality stuff that I LOVE, as opposed to a closet stuffed with "bargains I couldn't pass up" that I hardly ever wear.
you only make that kind of money if you have people under you, it sucks that she ended up in debt, but there are a ton of people under her who spent their last free bucks for the promise of her lifestyle. She literally made that money scamming people.
"I wouldn't see my friends, I would barley leave my apartment. I thought I was living the life." How does that add up??
Was this supposed to make me feel bad for her?
Exactly, and guess what - she went back into another MLM! Finance needs to be taught in schools.
Ent Acc , schools are becoming scams, too.
@@valuecalc The solution is to improve them - have a government that gives a damn about the common man and funds them better. Education is essential, and cannot be missed just because at the moment it's a scam
Ent Acc , good luck fixing it.
@@valuecalc It ain't up to me - it's up to us all to lobby for it. Guess some people aren't too bothered about the good of all though?
I’d love to know the number of vehicles that had a Lularoe decals at the time of repossession.
That's cold bruh
9/10
Any MLM sticker
Darth Max if you are making that kind of money pay cash omg like what
@@crookedchaos253 Suspect that the MLMs pushed them to buy the most expensive vehicle they could. Have to make the hunbot lifestyle look attractive to the new recruits.
She's on 2 different MLMs right now as of today. Some people just never learn. Filed bankruptcy two times and shes STILL out here doing the same old stuff. 🤦♀️I really hope she figures life out and does better.
You can't fix stupid. Some people will never learn.
She'll be on bankruptcy #3 before 40 that's horrifying
She’s on her path to the Darwin Award
$150,000+ sales a year... $80-$100 a night delivering food. This lady needs to take a step back and look at the costs of doing business.
I mean someone who sells real estate might do 3 million in sales a year but that doesn’t mean they make 3 million dollars salary.
I go Ireland
$39,000 in debt...that isn't super bad. Less then my student loans. Put that college degree to work.
The sad thing is that you couldn't discharge your loans....used to make you a more valuable citizen....but this lady who ran up like 40k in debt twice was able to discharge twice what you owe in loans.
Her debt from Lularoe wasnt as terrible as other ex MLM members i've come across. Sad she jumped right into another one. Girl needs therapy..
@@xxmoonwolfxx6344 LOL, she needs the wizard of Oz.
Seriously? She can discharge her loans, but I can't discharge my student loans. That really sucks.
Faviola Gutiérrez , college degrees are often useless.
I want Portland Oregon white women problems... "I was just laying in bed, I had no makeup on and that's when I knew my life was over" 😂😂😂
Oh boy I tell you her life seemed so hard boy oh boy the struggle got real for her 🤣🤣
Portland Oregon is a hellhole of neo-Marxist anarchists.
Lmao right
PowerTuber 3.0 that’s the whole world bro, it’s just that Portland is the type of place you can show your true self. Assholes are everywhere. Just like cho’mo’s (fam,friends,and strangers)
I'd love to have black male problems. Oh wait, I'd probably be dead.
“I just roll my eyes and move on” ...to the next pyramid scheme.
I remember watching those people on Periscope and feeling like I was missing something. Some nights there would be 5 - 6 of them live streaming their "sales" and they'd be so amp'd over those ugly overpriced clothes, and each person would have at least 20 people watching and buying and they were excited too! Those live streams were strangely fascinating because the clothes were so ugly and unimpressive but everyone was so excited about them and they would sale out! I sent a message to a couple of the sellers asking about the company and were they really making big bucks pushing those overpriced Wal-Mart looking clothes. Both were very dismissive in their responses like if you're not buying something they didn't want to talk. I watched a few more times because again, it was fascinating! Like a cult were people were being brainwashed into believing those ugly clothes were the shizzle, fascinating! Oh, and the male sellers were really hilarious! There was one who streamed from a super messy overcrowded bedroom that he'd turned into his personal LLR warehouse. He acted like those awful stretch pants were dipped in gold and he couldn't contain his excitement.
ppl wore those clothes, and I had to see it-I am the real victim
Terilyn Jackson hAaaa!
@@marcyfox9508 yes my eyes may never unsee this hideous attire from here and thrift stores and old moms
These are fat lady clothes
Wait she’s one of the few who made money, so first off, she scammed a LOT of people.
Then she blew it.
So she’s just awful with money.
This isn’t a victim.
she didn't actually manufacture the substandard clothing
slimydick23 no, but to make that money she did more than sell clothes, she recruited others to become sellers, and 99% of them lost money.
Promised they'd get rich then found out nobody wants them.
Who quits a job to go work for a company that has no benefits or a pension? You obviously did not put any money aside. You did not see that the company was greedy, a rip off, and becoming over saturated. 37,000. in one month and none of it invested- not too smart. How did you not pay taxes? 37,000. a month and did not pay taxes. Bankruptcy is stupid- especially round 2. You should have to sell all of that clothing first. I do hope that your current company pays for health insurance, however.
I mean, some people like to give this "be my own boss" thing a try, and obviously MLM was targeting the stay-at-home moms who aren't really CPAs or anything. So I can see why she would quit her day job. but yes, she doesn't have the business skill to turn things around.
I’m just baffled that anyone managed to sell so many hideous clothes. I’ve visited their site out of curiosity and man, terrible designs. They must be really good at marketing because the product ain’t it.
For some odd reason I don't feel sympathy for this woman. 2nd time filing bankruptcy in her life and she never paid her taxes. Soooo.. yeah.
She just isn't financially smart. Lularoe didn't do this to you, you did this to you.
Hannah Truesdale , I hope that she won't insist on attending college for a useless business degree.
Lularoe is a scam that preys on dumb, vulnerable people like her. So, yes, she brought this on herself, but LLR is culpable for exploiting her stupidity.
@@ladyv5655 honestly I would agree except she's still doing MLM shite.
@@eveappleby2211 , like I said, she's dumb. Really dumb.
Well, I'd say it's more like Lularoe helped do this to her.
The clothes are overpriced & ugly. This is what happens when people buy a brand name.
They really are. I’ve not seen anything I’d ever wear from this company and I’ve watched a lot of these videos now.
I've heard the quality is shit too. You can buy better clothes at Walmart.
Firebenderkitty3 Lol Ikr Anna O’brian’s review with the littles holes mismatched seam at the crotch making a V shape kills me every time! 😂
The problem I have with this issue is that the woman in the video (Jill Domme) was more than willing to sell, recruit and push something on other women that made her uncomfortable to start with. And although she learned it was a mistake...she kept it going.
Lot of comments of ppl making fun of her for getting into an MLM. The truth is she is a hustler, whether is a business or driving. Most people get satisfied working a 9-5 and never try anything new, but even if you fail the learning experience is far more important.
The problem isn't her or her friendship, we used to live in an economy where you could make a living off minimum wage. If this was still the case, she probably wouldn't be in this predicament.
Thank you.
Or maybe work hard, leverage skills or abilities, start your own business, and go learn things from trade school/college or people!
Trust me. It's not just minimum wage. Minimum wage requires minimum effort.
@@Menaceblue3 If you can pay for college and not get thousands in debt. Then magically get a business loan with no credit or having other people money to back your loan.
FACTS 👊 Why has nobody brought this up?! 🤔🧐🤔
The problem is that she made stupid financial decisions. This has nothing to do with minimum wage.
Someone get her a therapist and a money manager 😩🤦♀️🤦♀️ Sis needs help. I can’t even list all the shit wrong there
$25k a month in income and $48k in tax debt? Not claiming LLR is innocent, but she made her own poor personal finance decisions.
Why is this on vice??
It sounds like she just makes terrible decisions and doesn’t learn from them.
To help other people against this maybe
That’s exactly what Vice is. A place for people with left leaning victim mentalities to sulk and blame others around them.
@@dorian6225 you beat me to the punchline
@@dorian6225 Agreed.
@@dorian6225 or maybe "learn from my mistakes so you don't do them too"
We’re so quick to judge but everyone has a vice. There is a deeper issue here. I hope she realizes and gets back on her feet ❤️.
Ok
Agreed
So so true ❤️❤️❤️
Aww, sis has a money management problem. She needs a personal finance class.
@SweetPhantom But she said that she had a shopping addiction before she started Lularoe, and that's the reason she filed Chap 7 bankruptcy the first time. Her mismanagement of money started before this MLM.
She has a few problems if you actually watched. None of us should have to pay these taxes. The government stands at your door and knocks for their share anytime you make a cent.
@@ProductionsHabby I'm sure you enjoy roads, fire departments, police departments, the military, etc. Taxes pay for these things. She wasn't paying for anything, hence the car repo. Taxes were the least of her problems.
@@ProductionsHabby Dont use public schools, paved roads, libraries, police or fire services. All paid for by the American taxpayer.
She needs business class!
No wonder I’ve seen at goodwills and my local buy/trade stores so many racks of lularoe clothes
Imagine getting caught in an MLM when we have google available...
In the beginning of LLR, there was little to no information avaialble online for them. It was only when shit started hitting the fan and retailers and coporate people started leaking information that it was searchable, and obvisous what Lularoe was about
Most people don’t use google as much as they could.
LuluRoe used to be so new that there wasn’t this info back then, that’s when a lot of these pyramid schemes actually do their best, in the beginning when there’s no reputation. But I would have just googled how ugly these leggings are
@@KimikoAiri true, hindsight is 20/20
that is not true. always been tom of information available.
She's not a failure. These companies are so predatory. They need to be outlawed.
She is. Because is is selling/shilling ANOTHER jewelry MLM currently.
They HAVE been outlawed. Trump and Co. are CRIMINALS and they've lifted every bit of regulation we've ever had about this.
@@ImNotaRussianBot Hatin the player instead of the game.
Mary's Mother I mean we can blame both
She needs to do a Offer In Compromise with the IRS for taxes owed, I did one for 20 cents on the dollar, it saved me from ruin!!
Finally a productive, helpful comment. All the other comments are pretty cruel. This lady took time to share her story. I commend her for that.
Imagine how many mangers were spoken to on that cruise lol.
Two bankruptcies due to shopping too much and not paying your taxes.
*Gif of Gia Gunn saying "what privilege"*
Landed like fresh tilapia.. no seriously, here’s the fish you ordered.. bwahaha
The patterns and colors of the apparels looks very grandma 😅
Nurse_Izzy_Gonzales1989 , some business. A business sold her trash. She couldn't sell the trash herself. She then had to give away the trash.
I bought some of the solid colored ones years ago now I wear them as pajamas lol better quality then as well
This is her second time filing for bankruptcy?!?! So what did she learn after the first one....not enough 🤦🏻♀️
She's doing a jewelry mlm now she'll never learn
You had an addiction to shopping, no different than addiction to anything-it is all about dopamine and feeling good-in the moment. You are human, you are not a failure. Thank you for sharing your weaknesses and experiences, right there, that alone- proves you are an amazing person.
This reminds me of my Dad and his Amway depression back in the 80's.
My dad fell into 3 pyramid schemes, Amway being one of them. He lost all his money and my mom (a stay at home mom) had to dip into her savings to cover rent. Ever since then, I’ve hated MLMs
sorry to hear that did he lose money ?
My niece got mixed up in a pyramid scheme business, making lots of money (spent on their meetings, conventions, recruitment of others) . It wrecked her marriage because of too much"traveling " and mismanagement of funds while her husbands job actually was paying the bills. she hurt and took advantage of people , family using them for babysitting while she ruining around to meetings and conventions business trips. It all did zero for her.
(apologies for length) People who suddenly, literally, go from broke to having money to burn, are NEVER prepared for the actual handling of that money. It's all about
BUY NOW! BUY NOW! SPEND SPEND SPEND. It'll last forever.
My brother in law is a financial specialist and he said over 90% of folks who win the lottery (in Canada you don't pay taxes for the first year on any winnings, giving people a chance to invest or find a way to pay less taxes the next year when you pay taxes on any remaining principal) or, like her, make a lot of money quickly, actually go bankrupt.
90%! Let that sink in.
He said one should always engage at least a bookkeeper, if not an accountant when fortunes change so drastically. Someone who is outside of family and friends and will keep them "in line" so this doesn't happen.
AND most importantly research, learn, ask and be aware that with money comes more responsibility. Take charge and never, ever, ever, just tell someone to "handle" your money! Always be up to date on all financial transactions and sit with your money manager at least bi-monthly to go over accounts. Know where your money goes. That is the failing of those 90%. They don't want to do the work. Or don't think they need someone or don't want to pay someone to handle "their" money.
So if you're hollering "It's her own fault.", and only 10% of folks like her do the right thing, don't pat yourself on the back too soon. Think what you'd do. Not what you think she should have. 90% of you are wrong if you think you'd do better.
It actually sounds more like an endemic thing~in us, as a species, if you look at the hard evidence.
Her: My car that was repossessed
Her post: Thanks to LulaRoe