Thanks for all the suggestions on why the CPU/GPU temperatures are different. For the stock config it made sense as Fractal fans were actually mounted slightly higher (factory mounting not my own) but when I mounted the Noctua fans I made sure they were equal on both cases. Hmmm... -D.
It looks like the PSU shroud on the Meshify is vented while the Phanteks is closed. Do you think this could have anything to do with the higher GPU temps in the Meshify?
PCI slot covers should be the reason for the difference in GPU temps. Try using the Phanteks covers on the meshify case and GPU temps should drop considerably
Should have tested the Meshify S2 with front panel on, but with the dust filter removed. I'm sure that's where the difference in airflow is coming from. Excellent comparison none the less. Thanks.
@@CruddyFunk I feel the CPUs having a similar temperature kind of debunks that idea. Hot air rising straight up from the PSU chamber into the GPU fans would explain why the GPU temp is so different but the CPU stays close.
Picked up the P600s yesterday, was easy as heck to get going, had solid cable management out of the box, and doesn't look a 1990's rave inside. I really am happy with this case.
So running with most of the panels off the cloth mesh in the front is a little pain in the ass to clean, but the inside actually doesn't collect a lot of dust wiping off the segment above the power supply and wiping off the fans usually does it. The bottom segment with the power supply and all of your cables tends to get a little gnarly but it's still not that bad and I can't be bothered to go in there and clean that at the moment.
The difference balance of gpu and cpu temp is caused by the different mounting of the two front fans. Move them to an equal level and you will see pretty much the same temps on both cases! (the fans in the meshify sit higher => better cpu cooling)
I came here to comment the same thing. To put a control factor in this section, one could move a fan to center on the GPU; however, I went with the Fractal case as it looked cleaner and would adapt to custom liquid loops in a friendlier manner. Also, doesn't look like a UFO.
The distance between the fans and the motherboard assembly also influences the airflow. Example: blow air through your mouth, the way you do when you want to cool some hot food or drink, and move your hand towards and away from your mouth.
@@GholaTleilaxu You do realize the hotter components (CPU & GPU) have their own fans right? So while the temps might be better with closer fans (maybe 1-2°), the difference is insignificant. The most important thing is to supply those fans with fresh air from the front intake, the distance to the front intake doesn't matter much.
For those running a lot of HDDs the Fractal is the clear winner. The Phanteks drive tray layout doesn't allow for the HDDs to get much cooling. The Phanteks 3.5" tray fully encases the drive and has zero openings for airflow. Not to mention that the drives are mounted to the same metal as the mainboard, forcing the user to have wires on the display side of the TG. The Meshify 2 converts over to storage layout essentially moving the mounting tray to the other side, hiding the SATA cables and drives themselves from view. On the Fractal case the drive trays (which come with ant-shock grommets) mount to just the bottom of the hard drive and allow cooling to take place. My HDDs are averaging 32C in my Meshify 2.
Of all the TH-cam channels Hardware Canucks has by far the best presentation. Even when they are demonstrating different features on the case they still do the satisfying B role style footage. And they’re entire studio/room setup is so simple and neat. Even if I’m not interested in the product show case I still watch for the amazing shots. Keep it up!
The Meshify's GPU temps being slightly higher is probably influenced by the intake fans being situated farther away from the GPU than the P600S. In addition, the less restrictive PCIe covers and triple vertical PCIe slots on the P600S will yield better case airflow and minimize airflow restrictions over the Meshify's more restrictive PCIe covers and dual slot vertical covers.
Hal Wolfe if the p400s has a mesh front it wouldn’t be the p400s because the S in p400s is for silent and a front mesh wouldn’t mask the sound as well as the standard front panel
The holes in the power supply shroud of the meshify make a difference because they force the air to be sucked in from the bottom at a slower constant rate, whereas the phanteks solid metal panel forces the air to gather below the gpu, creating a high pressure zone. This high pressure zone forces air into the gpu, working like a supergharger.. It would be relatively easy to test, just cover the top holes of the meshify's power supply shroud.
Hey Dmitry, which is better for nice cooling, small case or big case? Thinking smallcases have less air capacity so its easy to exhaust heat quick and big cases have more air capacity so heat inside will take time to go up and in that time it gives enough time to fans to exhaust it. So i m in the middle now :S
I definitely prefer the Fractal Design Case and I would probably go with the black one maybe if they make a grey or silver one that would be cool. But the phanteks case is too big and bulky. Still cool though.
I just got done rebuilding my PC in the Meshify-C, and I had to do alot of cutting and custom work to make everything fit... So I was kinda pissed that this case just came out, because everything would have just fit right off the bat... However I do have a question for you. Do you think if I somehow got my hands on the font panel I/O on the S-2 that it would fit on the Meshify-C font panel? Could you maybe test this? I'm looking for front USB-C accuse... I'll mod my case if I have to, but I was just hoping you could check fit, since you have both.
I'm not sure if it will fit but you can buy front panel I/O with Type-C for R6. Look up "Connect D1" on Fractal website. Maybe you can contact them directly and ask if it will fit Meshify C.
If you want to lower the inside temps particularly your GPU, put 3x 140mm in the front. If you're still not satisfied then put 2x 140mm in the bottom and another 3x 140mm in the top.
Higher CPU temps on the P600S is due to the lower fan placement. Raise it for better cooling like I did or add a 3rd 140mm fan in the front for amazing air exchange
@@andrewkoumis4070 Have a straight black p600s with no side window to reduce operating noises. Hopefully the case lasts me a few decades as it definitely is well engineered and came with a decent amount of extras I don't use. I'd advise to vertically mount your GPU as it reduced my CPU temp by 6, GPU temp by 5, and 2nd NVMe temp by 5 on my ASUS X570-e MOBO.
The high GPU temps on the Meshify are consistent with GN's results. For me really a deal breaker. Same problem with the Meshify C. Phanteks P400 with mesh stands out when it comes to both temps being low AND having a nice/normal noise level. What bugs me about that is the potentially less thorough dust filtering....guess there's always something..
I think you got a bit confused @6:22. You're saying that CPU temps are better on the Fractal, which is not true looking at the graph. I'm getting confused here, who do I believe now? Lol Great review as usual, can't expect anything less!
Both of them are amazing cases. In the end, I chose the Meshify S2 in Tinted TG and decided to replace ALL of the fans with Noctua fans (6x NF-P12 120mm fans from my old builds for the top and front. 3x NF-A15 140mm fans for the Rear and Bottom. Will have to use a splitter for the bottom and heatsink fans.) I'll have a total of 11 fans in this case, including the fans from the NH-U14S. Sounds like a lot of fans, but there aren't enough headers on my Crosshair VIII Hero for all of them. Using splitters everywhere would be messy as hell.
@@KRGraphicsCG sorry, i should explain, i'm trying to find a good balance between good airflow and quietness. I hate the gaming PC brustling like an old cheap Dell server! So should i get a Be Quiet unit, an NZXT, or a Lian Li 011 Dynamic XL?
@@harpoon_bakery162 all three are great brands, but I'm partial to the Be Quiet models. I'm using all of these fans because it gets very hot here in California
I really like the Phanteks P600S and I think I completely agree regarding the color scheme. I'm just not too much of a fan of the really long Meshify S2 and will instead take advantage of the mesh fabric that the P600S has to offer. Great video!
@@hwstar9416 he didn't build in it. he didn't take time and care to seem to bother that much like "it's a update but it's neat this time... and yeah, that's it."
which case should I get? For an m-atx mobo 1 cooler master masterbox Q300L 2 cooler master mastercase pro 3 (a bit big for an m-atx case) 3 phanteks eclipse p300 (atx case with m-atx mobo may not be the best option)
I actually prefer the p600s for it’s modularity and the overall design. Special in the grey color 😍 The long mishify S2 looks a bit weird although the front panel will look gorgeous with a full black build
I just got the P600S for myself and I have to say I'm surely impressed by that case. The temperatures compared to my old BeQuiet SB 600 dropped significantly it's still as silent with the front panel removed due to slow running fans (front 3x 140mm stock fans, back 1x NF-S12). Build quality and building experience is amazing too, maybe I'll try out the vertical GPU mount and see what that does to the GPU temperatures, it's sitting at about 55°C under load right now so there is still room to work with.
what about this case vs. Lian Li 011 Dynamic XL ? which would you prefer (i know Gamers Nexus give the Lian Li 011 Dynamic XL thumbs up and loves the unit for air-flow and design and looks - with 3 side-mounted fans --- are they supposed to be 120mm fans or 140mm fans mounted to the side on the Lian Li ? Any help is appreciated with this !! thanks
@@harpoon_bakery162 I think the Dynamic XL is just too large for an air cooled setup like mine, plenty of room for a custom loop but I personally don't need that. I'm thinking about switching to the O11 Air Mini when it finally launches because all I need is support for an ATX MB and PSU, a 120mm tower cooler and no extra room for radiators.
@Hardware Canucks Regarding the CPU Temp Question: I think a possible reason might be that the S2, as the more compact case forces, when utilizing the same fans, a higher airflow around the CPU. This results in an increased thermal capacity which might impact the performance of the CPU cooler.
Have the white P600s, nice case and the system, 8700k /GTX1080 based, runs way cooler than it did in my old Define R4. Not a big fan of Phanteks 3.5” drive mounting system, but it works.
I have the Meshify C and this is the first time I've ever heard about the "Meshify S2". Didn't know it existed. What is the difference between them? Is the Meshify S2 just a larger version of the Meshify C?
@@Schytheron The 'C' is more compact; Slightly taller but way shorter. Probably not the greatest option for mounting pumps. I have a Define 'C' and it's about the same length
I wonder how GPU temp on S2 would look if you put 2 fan water cooling on top and use 2 front and 1 back fan to pump cool air into the case so both GPU and CPU get cool air.
I suspect that moving the front bottom fan further down will improve GPU temperatures in Meshify S2. Saw something similar in my Meshify C, not sure about the S2 though,.
Awesome video. I’m downsizing from the 750d Obsidian anyway ... ish. I like both cases in your review. I’m leaning towards the Meshify S2. Great to see USB-C support on new cases now. I just wish Corsair’ would update the 750d to include a PSU shroud and have Tempered Glass.
For the 2nd system on the P600s, are we able to air cool it with low profile air cooler like Cryorig C7? Personally I have no interest in water-cooling my parts at all.
Finally! Was waiting for your review since the Meshify S2 went out. Dam good video as always :D I like the Phanteks from a functional standpoint, but I prefer the design of the Meshify. Well the black one version is better, or a gunmetal if they dare to make one would look amazing.
Awesome video idea. I prefer the look of the Fractal Design. Let's see how it goes. *edit* I still think I prefer the Fractal Design case. Great video by the way.
I agree, the Fractal is better looking imho, though I wouldn't call the Phanteks ugly... But in terms of features and performance the P600S runs away with it. I'm seriously considering pulling the trigger on it.
@Jamie C If the Meshify is $30 (presumably US) cheaper, then that's what I'd probably get. Here in Australia the P600 was only $10AU more which I thought was well worth it. I've been very happy with it.
The fractal's are so ugly, maybe it's because they are 3 years old now but ugh, what a terrible idea for a front grille design you can't even see the RGB fans. and what does ARGB mean?
I need help I am overwhelmed in a hut for a great case. I love the look of the Corsair Air 540 but it’s older and doesn’t have the new usb style. My current pc is a Phanteks Enthoo evolv ATX well an older version. Same look. I want to go smaller but I have a 240mm radiator for the CPU and I have a EVGA 1080Ti FTW3 a huge card. The ones I like are this p600s I like the fractal s2 I love the Lian Li but the cost of getting it and all the RGB fans it too high. I am trying to stay around 150. The NZXT H500 is cool but I like to top mount my radiator. Suggestions would be amazing guys.
You get better CPU temps and worse GPU temps on the Meshify because you have mounted the front fans on the Meshify very high. This way they blow cool air above the GPU...
The Fabric is a no go for me. I would choose the mesify. Hopefully the luxe 2 drops the fabric. Really want the case but the fabric on the side is a no.
I have the S2, and replaced the stock fans with faster rpm and high static pressure fans. Way cooler. The S2 is big, bigger than I expected, the P600 seems way too big.
If you replace the fans with 2x 140 in the front at 1600 RPM will the noise levels decrease to 30+db? I am seriously torn between Define R6 and P600S. likely I'll go for R6 because of optical drive bay...
So I have a question regarding fan numbers and placement. I have a P600s with 3 140mm noctuas as intake at the front and have remounted the 3 stock fans as exhaust (2 top and 1 rear) is this okay or a bit overkill? I intend to use the included cover to cover the unused fan slot on the top for better thermals and airflow.
Awesome video. I've been thinking about the CPU temperature differences. Could it be that the S2 has a more direct inward and outward flow of the the CPU? Also could it be that the mesh is actually holding onto some of that air and not letting it flow as freely as the metal mesh?
They both costs more than Lian Li PCO11 Dynamic and performs worse. I don't see any reason the get one of these when that case is an much better option
Hey if you closed the top of the P600s the cpu will be hotter due to less air coming in. On my rig I don’t have fans on the top but despite the cpu recycling air the cpu will be cooler. If the air is cool ofc.
I just think down the road that fabric mesh is going to not come completely clean and the fabric will fatigue and fail/sag from washing and then you will be left with something that looks ragged and worn out. Not to mention if you have cats that fabric mesh is just scratching post.
Yeah, the 600S is bigger, which I don't like, but it is a better looking case and has more options. So, Phanteks all the way. I believe it's the case I will go with for my next build, or at least right now.
The problem with Phanteks is that with such large perforations in the mesh, the innards of the system will be extremely dusty. Meshify's spongy dust filter is great at filtering out the dust.
You know you're lying to yourself... don't you hear inner voices whispering "P600S, P600S...." tempting you to buy the P600S??? xxxDDD I do and P600S will be my next case.
Is this 4K upload new? Haven't seen that before, nice. I always love your reviews and looks forward to the next. I wish I went with the Fractal design rather then my H700i (I love it but like that mesh looks quite a bit.)
In short, fractal wins acoustics, Phanteks wins temperature battle. So a tie :) Price is the same. But fractal looks better, so I pick fractal overall :)
Thanks for all the suggestions on why the CPU/GPU temperatures are different. For the stock config it made sense as Fractal fans were actually mounted slightly higher (factory mounting not my own) but when I mounted the Noctua fans I made sure they were equal on both cases. Hmmm...
-D.
It looks like the PSU shroud on the Meshify is vented while the Phanteks is closed. Do you think this could have anything to do with the higher GPU temps in the Meshify?
PCI slot covers should be the reason for the difference in GPU temps. Try using the Phanteks covers on the meshify case and GPU temps should drop considerably
Should have tested the Meshify S2 with front panel on, but with the dust filter removed. I'm sure that's where the difference in airflow is coming from. Excellent comparison none the less. Thanks.
@@CruddyFunk I feel the CPUs having a similar temperature kind of debunks that idea. Hot air rising straight up from the PSU chamber into the GPU fans would explain why the GPU temp is so different but the CPU stays close.
What does TG stand for?
seriously where are all the P600S reviews?
agreed
On TH-cam. Duh.
@@errorcode503 great reply, more than 1 year after i made this post lol
@@R4ZORLIGHT 🤣
Picked up the P600s yesterday, was easy as heck to get going, had solid cable management out of the box, and doesn't look a 1990's rave inside. I really am happy with this case.
Was there a problem with collecting dust to quick?
Can you come back to us and tell us what you think about dust management?
Dust? How is t
So running with most of the panels off the cloth mesh in the front is a little pain in the ass to clean, but the inside actually doesn't collect a lot of dust wiping off the segment above the power supply and wiping off the fans usually does it. The bottom segment with the power supply and all of your cables tends to get a little gnarly but it's still not that bad and I can't be bothered to go in there and clean that at the moment.
@@seneschal4617 thanks dude!
The difference balance of gpu and cpu temp is caused by the different mounting of the two front fans. Move them to an equal level and you will see pretty much the same temps on both cases! (the fans in the meshify sit higher => better cpu cooling)
I came here to comment the same thing. To put a control factor in this section, one could move a fan to center on the GPU; however, I went with the Fractal case as it looked cleaner and would adapt to custom liquid loops in a friendlier manner.
Also, doesn't look like a UFO.
This, so much! Would also love to see how they mounted the fans in the P600S.
The distance between the fans and the motherboard assembly also influences the airflow. Example: blow air through your mouth, the way you do when you want to cool some hot food or drink, and move your hand towards and away from your mouth.
@@GholaTleilaxu You do realize the hotter components (CPU & GPU) have their own fans right? So while the temps might be better with closer fans (maybe 1-2°), the difference is insignificant. The most important thing is to supply those fans with fresh air from the front intake, the distance to the front intake doesn't matter much.
Would watercooling lower this temp a lot?
Both high quality cases. I think the meshify's front panel looks very classy in the black model tho
It looks like a shitty speaker to me...
it looks like a kid had fun with a hammer but irs actual a smart one but still a kid lol
prefer Define front alot more. sadly its restirctive. Gonna buy p600 to upgrade from my hotbox enthoo i think.
Looks alot better then the p600 that is for sure
Its a dust magnet
The sliding cable covers can be removed, revealing reservoir mounting holes. Page 20 in the manual.
I actually managed to go 1.5 minutes without noticing your left ear.
Feels good.
😂 no ear difference here. Move along
HardwareCanucks oh... ok then i guess i need some new glasses.
For those running a lot of HDDs the Fractal is the clear winner. The Phanteks drive tray layout doesn't allow for the HDDs to get much cooling. The Phanteks 3.5" tray fully encases the drive and has zero openings for airflow. Not to mention that the drives are mounted to the same metal as the mainboard, forcing the user to have wires on the display side of the TG. The Meshify 2 converts over to storage layout essentially moving the mounting tray to the other side, hiding the SATA cables and drives themselves from view. On the Fractal case the drive trays (which come with ant-shock grommets) mount to just the bottom of the hard drive and allow cooling to take place. My HDDs are averaging 32C in my Meshify 2.
Holy crap the 600S is huge. I was considering getting one but now that I see how big it is compared to the S2...no flippin way
Phanteks P600s FTW... complete beast. 💪💪🔥🔥
Of all the TH-cam channels Hardware Canucks has by far the best presentation. Even when they are demonstrating different features on the case they still do the satisfying B role style footage. And they’re entire studio/room setup is so simple and neat. Even if I’m not interested in the product show case I still watch for the amazing shots. Keep it up!
JustAnotherGamer totally agree. Keep it up guys
3:24 wow,the p600s looks so good to me
I just swapped over to a P600... This is an amazing case!!! I absolutely love it!!!
The Meshify's GPU temps being slightly higher is probably influenced by the intake fans being situated farther away from the GPU than the P600S. In addition, the less restrictive PCIe covers and triple vertical PCIe slots on the P600S will yield better case airflow and minimize airflow restrictions over the Meshify's more restrictive PCIe covers and dual slot vertical covers.
I like the p600s just for the drive mounting solution especially where the hdds are concerned
what about looks vs. Lian Li 011 Dynamic XL ?
Like the P600S airflow covers. Open in Summer, closed during the winter.
God damn now i cannot unsee this white color difference of the plastic and the metal on my own case
So, Phanteks it is.
Price.
Me what about it ???
I went with the anthracite P 600S. Thanks for the video comparison.
Video I've been waiting for
Hardware canucks 😍
5:45 i love the way you did this benchmark and the way you colored the section you talking about i hope you keep it in all of your upcoming charts
Too bad Phanteks doesn't do a P400s with a mesh front.
I'd love it if they sold a mesh front panel for the P400 separately
Agreed. The 600S is too big of a case
The p350 pretty descent thermalwise
Hal Wolfe if the p400s has a mesh front it wouldn’t be the p400s because the S in p400s is for silent and a front mesh wouldn’t mask the sound as well as the standard front panel
@@nyathannyuwen8084 It would be just like the P600S, a silencing front panel, which could be removed, over a mesh.
The holes in the power supply shroud of the meshify make a difference because they force the air to be sucked in from the bottom at a slower constant rate, whereas the phanteks solid metal panel forces the air to gather below the gpu, creating a high pressure zone. This high pressure zone forces air into the gpu, working like a supergharger.. It would be relatively easy to test, just cover the top holes of the meshify's power supply shroud.
I just bought the Meshify S2 for watercooling. Getting rid of my Cooler Master Mastercase Maker 5. Can't wait for 2 360mm rad support.
Hey Dmitry, which is better for nice cooling, small case or big case? Thinking smallcases have less air capacity so its easy to exhaust heat quick and big cases have more air capacity so heat inside will take time to go up and in that time it gives enough time to fans to exhaust it. So i m in the middle now :S
I definitely prefer the Fractal Design Case and I would probably go with the black one maybe if they make a grey or silver one that would be cool. But the phanteks case is too big and bulky. Still cool though.
I just got done rebuilding my PC in the Meshify-C, and I had to do alot of cutting and custom work to make everything fit... So I was kinda pissed that this case just came out, because everything would have just fit right off the bat...
However I do have a question for you. Do you think if I somehow got my hands on the font panel I/O on the S-2 that it would fit on the Meshify-C font panel? Could you maybe test this?
I'm looking for front USB-C accuse... I'll mod my case if I have to, but I was just hoping you could check fit, since you have both.
Won't fit, dimentions are different.
@@Nes924 are you sure? On Jay's two cents video, he shows them compared to each other and they look to be the exact same width.
@@BrandonWatkinsBmW13294 may look same, but different mounting sizes.
@@Nes924 awe, damn. Well thanks for the replay!
I'm not sure if it will fit but you can buy front panel I/O with Type-C for R6. Look up "Connect D1" on Fractal website. Maybe you can contact them directly and ask if it will fit Meshify C.
How many more years am I going to have to wait for case that is vaguely as good at cooling as my (ancient) FT02.
Like the saying goes "they don't make em like that anymore". Those huge bottom intake 180 fans so close to the components was a genius idea.
What about an RVO2 or RL06?
If you want to lower the inside temps particularly your GPU, put 3x 140mm in the front. If you're still not satisfied then put 2x 140mm in the bottom and another 3x 140mm in the top.
aren't the holes not designed specifically large enough for the 140's?
Higher CPU temps on the P600S is due to the lower fan placement. Raise it for better cooling like I did or add a 3rd 140mm fan in the front for amazing air exchange
Jay was right, you guys are aces of case reviewers 🔥🔥🔥
I went with the Black version of Meshify. No complaints yet.
I went Anthracite Grey P600S. And I love it.
Just bought one today. Decided between the black and grey and went with grey :)
@@andrewkoumis4070 Have a straight black p600s with no side window to reduce operating noises. Hopefully the case lasts me a few decades as it definitely is well engineered and came with a decent amount of extras I don't use.
I'd advise to vertically mount your GPU as it reduced my CPU temp by 6, GPU temp by 5, and 2nd NVMe temp by 5 on my ASUS X570-e MOBO.
Meshify S2, all the way for me. The looks and size are what keep me liking that case. (:
The high GPU temps on the Meshify are consistent with GN's results. For me really a deal breaker. Same problem with the Meshify C.
Phanteks P400 with mesh stands out when it comes to both temps being low AND having a nice/normal noise level.
What bugs me about that is the potentially less thorough dust filtering....guess there's always something..
you forgot to mention the P600s, thoughts?
I think you got a bit confused @6:22. You're saying that CPU temps are better on the Fractal, which is not true looking at the graph. I'm getting confused here, who do I believe now? Lol
Great review as usual, can't expect anything less!
Yeah I also lost him at that point! Is what he saying right or the graphs right..?
Both of them are amazing cases. In the end, I chose the Meshify S2 in Tinted TG and decided to replace ALL of the fans with Noctua fans (6x NF-P12 120mm fans from my old builds for the top and front. 3x NF-A15 140mm fans for the Rear and Bottom. Will have to use a splitter for the bottom and heatsink fans.) I'll have a total of 11 fans in this case, including the fans from the NH-U14S.
Sounds like a lot of fans, but there aren't enough headers on my Crosshair VIII Hero for all of them. Using splitters everywhere would be messy as hell.
what type of ear protection are you using?
@@harpoon_bakery162 I'm sorry? Ear protection?
@@KRGraphicsCG sorry, i should explain, i'm trying to find a good balance between good airflow and quietness. I hate the gaming PC brustling like an old cheap Dell server! So should i get a Be Quiet unit, an NZXT, or a Lian Li 011 Dynamic XL?
@@harpoon_bakery162 all three are great brands, but I'm partial to the Be Quiet models. I'm using all of these fans because it gets very hot here in California
what did you end up doing as far as the splitters/headers issue?
I am still waiting for the mx518 legendary review from you and rocket jump ninja
I really like the Phanteks P600S and I think I completely agree regarding the color scheme. I'm just not too much of a fan of the really long Meshify S2 and will instead take advantage of the mesh fabric that the P600S has to offer. Great video!
the R5 with the front door removed = best case ever made
The review we deserve :P ... Jay didn't do a proper "review", kinda disappointed.Was more of a unboxing.
wdym? He showed the temps.
@@hwstar9416 he didn't build in it. he didn't take time and care to seem to bother that much like "it's a update but it's neat this time... and yeah, that's it."
jost look his gold build, case is pretty same anyways@@hanes2
@@hanes2 i mean, he did build in it obviously but he didn't talk about the building experience.
Thats why my favorite PC case reviewer is Tech Jesus.
I'll just wait gamers nexus review instead.
i have a meshify C, and its excellent, hardly any dust gets in, and its easy to vacuum the front.. looks great imo as i like the smaller design
I have a meshify c too , the front foam filter works very well but still a lot of dust gets in , not sure what I am doing wrong.
which case should I get? For an m-atx mobo
1 cooler master masterbox Q300L
2 cooler master mastercase pro 3 (a bit big for an m-atx case)
3 phanteks eclipse p300 (atx case with m-atx mobo may not be the best option)
How is the airflow on the P600s vs the Evolv X?
I actually prefer the p600s for it’s modularity and the overall design. Special in the grey color 😍
The long mishify S2 looks a bit weird although the front panel will look gorgeous with a full black build
I just got the P600S for myself and I have to say I'm surely impressed by that case. The temperatures compared to my old BeQuiet SB 600 dropped significantly it's still as silent with the front panel removed due to slow running fans (front 3x 140mm stock fans, back 1x NF-S12). Build quality and building experience is amazing too, maybe I'll try out the vertical GPU mount and see what that does to the GPU temperatures, it's sitting at about 55°C under load right now so there is still room to work with.
what about this case vs. Lian Li 011 Dynamic XL ? which would you prefer (i know Gamers Nexus give the Lian Li 011 Dynamic XL thumbs up and loves the unit for air-flow and design and looks - with 3 side-mounted fans --- are they supposed to be 120mm fans or 140mm fans mounted to the side on the Lian Li ? Any help is appreciated with this !! thanks
@@harpoon_bakery162 I think the Dynamic XL is just too large for an air cooled setup like mine, plenty of room for a custom loop but I personally don't need that. I'm thinking about switching to the O11 Air Mini when it finally launches because all I need is support for an ATX MB and PSU, a 120mm tower cooler and no extra room for radiators.
@Hardware Canucks Regarding the CPU Temp Question: I think a possible reason might be that the S2, as the more compact case forces, when utilizing the same fans, a higher airflow around the CPU. This results in an increased thermal capacity which might impact the performance of the CPU cooler.
Have the white P600s, nice case and the system, 8700k
/GTX1080 based, runs way cooler than it did in my old Define R4. Not a big fan of Phanteks 3.5” drive mounting system, but it works.
Happy Meshify C Mini owner here :)
I have the Meshify C and this is the first time I've ever heard about the "Meshify S2". Didn't know it existed. What is the difference between them? Is the Meshify S2 just a larger version of the Meshify C?
@@Schytheron it is to be honest, they didnt change too much
@@Schytheron The 'C' is more compact; Slightly taller but way shorter. Probably not the greatest option for mounting pumps. I have a Define 'C' and it's about the same length
@@ericli2475 How is something simultaneously both shorter and taller?
same, the case still looks amazing
I wonder how GPU temp on S2 would look if you put 2 fan water cooling on top and use 2 front and 1 back fan to pump cool air into the case so both GPU and CPU get cool air.
Yoo that thumbnail man. I actually thought it was a white and gold pc theme, but had to look closer and realize it was just the lights 😂
I just did a build in the p600s and i live it. You should do a video where you add some rgb strips to the front of the p600s 😁
I suspect that moving the front bottom fan further down will improve GPU temperatures in Meshify S2. Saw something similar in my Meshify C, not sure about the S2 though,.
Awesome video. I’m downsizing from the 750d Obsidian anyway ... ish. I like both cases in your review. I’m leaning towards the Meshify S2. Great to see USB-C support on new cases now. I just wish Corsair’ would update the 750d to include a PSU shroud and have Tempered Glass.
At the risk of making the graphs too busy, I would have liked to see the Phanteks running the Noctua's at 1000 rpm in both open and closed positions.
Both are nice but expensive. Still going with the eclipse p350x lol
I have, can recommend.
Repurposing my old rig into one as a hand me down.
How about the meshify c? I use it and it is absolutely brilliant
Have it. Nice case. But the P600S is so much of a looker, I might upgrade
Case reviews are back! Good work.
Never seen one of your videos before, I loved the brutal reviewing on the cases instead of just the good points. That's a like and a sub from me 😁
The grey P600s looks like the machine OCP would have designed ED-209 on.
For the 2nd system on the P600s, are we able to air cool it with low profile air cooler like Cryorig C7? Personally I have no interest in water-cooling my parts at all.
Finally! Was waiting for your review since the Meshify S2 went out. Dam good video as always :D
I like the Phanteks from a functional standpoint, but I prefer the design of the Meshify. Well the black one version is better, or a gunmetal if they dare to make one would look amazing.
Awesome video idea. I prefer the look of the Fractal Design. Let's see how it goes.
*edit* I still think I prefer the Fractal Design case. Great video by the way.
rly ? but everyone crying about a bit louder vega in compare to a gtx 1160ti XD
I agree, the Fractal is better looking imho, though I wouldn't call the Phanteks ugly... But in terms of features and performance the P600S runs away with it. I'm seriously considering pulling the trigger on it.
@Jamie C If the Meshify is $30 (presumably US) cheaper, then that's what I'd probably get. Here in Australia the P600 was only $10AU more which I thought was well worth it. I've been very happy with it.
The fractal's are so ugly, maybe it's because they are 3 years old now but ugh, what a terrible idea for a front grille design you can't even see the RGB fans. and what does ARGB mean?
I'd rather still go for the Coolermaster MasterCase H500 for high airflow at low rpm for silence!
Mechify S2 is too large, but P600s is even more... When will we have a usefull space in case, where i think meshify C is little too small, just a bit
I've never been less interested in a HardwareCanucks case review... What has the PC-O11 done to me?!!?
I love the look of Phanteks whole Eclipse series. Probably not going to upgrade from the P400S but boy is it tempting!
I really can't decide on a case! I'm going with a white color scheme. I want vertical gpu mounting and support for at least 2 120s on top and front
I need help I am overwhelmed in a hut for a great case. I love the look of the Corsair Air 540 but it’s older and doesn’t have the new usb style. My current pc is a Phanteks Enthoo evolv ATX well an older version. Same look. I want to go smaller but I have a 240mm radiator for the CPU and I have a EVGA 1080Ti FTW3 a huge card. The ones I like are this p600s I like the fractal s2 I love the Lian Li but the cost of getting it and all the RGB fans it too high. I am trying to stay around 150. The NZXT H500 is cool but I like to top mount my radiator. Suggestions would be amazing guys.
You get better CPU temps and worse GPU temps on the Meshify because you have mounted the front fans on the Meshify very high. This way they blow cool air above the GPU...
The Fabric is a no go for me. I would choose the mesify. Hopefully the luxe 2 drops the fabric. Really want the case but the fabric on the side is a no.
I have the S2, and replaced the stock fans with faster rpm and high static pressure fans. Way cooler. The S2 is big, bigger than I expected, the P600 seems way too big.
I've been waiting for a case review for a while, HC always make the best case reviews
You ran the Noctuas at 2000 rpm but ran the stock fans at 1000 rpm. Not a fair comparison.
Watch the video again. He compared both combinations, stock fans then the Noctua in both cases
@@pequalsnp But there's no reason to run the Noctuas at 2000 rpm in the first place. Just run them at 1000 rpm like the stock fans.
If you replace the fans with 2x 140 in the front at 1600 RPM will the noise levels decrease to 30+db?
I am seriously torn between Define R6 and P600S. likely I'll go for R6 because of optical drive bay...
So I have a question regarding fan numbers and placement. I have a P600s with 3 140mm noctuas as intake at the front and have remounted the 3 stock fans as exhaust (2 top and 1 rear) is this okay or a bit overkill? I intend to use the included cover to cover the unused fan slot on the top for better thermals and airflow.
The S2 mesh. looks sexy in white....still undecided which one to pick for the new build (Asus theme...PSU, AIO, MOBO, GPU)
Make sure you put all the packing back into the box neatly. Don't want to make a... mesh.
Awesome video. I've been thinking about the CPU temperature differences. Could it be that the S2 has a more direct inward and outward flow of the the CPU? Also could it be that the mesh is actually holding onto some of that air and not letting it flow as freely as the metal mesh?
5:30 Reaching over 90 degrees celcius? Are we looking at the same chart?
Delta T dude, it's how measuring should be done. And it's Celsius.
They both costs more than Lian Li PCO11 Dynamic and performs worse. I don't see any reason the get one of these when that case is an much better option
Finally the P600S is amazing
AWWW YEAH! It's been such a long time. I miss case reviews.
Hey if you closed the top of the P600s the cpu will be hotter due to less air coming in. On my rig I don’t have fans on the top but despite the cpu recycling air the cpu will be cooler. If the air is cool ofc.
I just think down the road that fabric mesh is going to not come completely clean and the fabric will fatigue and fail/sag from washing and then you will be left with something that looks ragged and worn out. Not to mention if you have cats that fabric mesh is just scratching post.
I own the Meshify S2 Black and I love the height compared to Phanteks case .
Please tell me if you install all the fans in Meshify 2 and Meshify 2 XL. Which of the cases will be lower temperature CPU and GPU
i just search for white case and found Fractal Design Meshify S2 case for like $40 w/o tax does recommend?
Yeah, the 600S is bigger, which I don't like, but it is a better looking case and has more options. So, Phanteks all the way. I believe it's the case I will go with for my next build, or at least right now.
The problem with Phanteks is that with such large perforations in the mesh, the innards of the system will be extremely dusty. Meshify's spongy dust filter is great at filtering out the dust.
The mesh fabric has more than just the larger layer on the phanteks
there's a filter BEHIND the mesh ;)
They're both far too big, but i prefer the look of the Meshify. I'd like an all white interior and mesh front though.
I prefer the Meshify S2 because I have a Meshify S2 :)
You know you're lying to yourself... don't you hear inner voices whispering "P600S, P600S...." tempting you to buy the P600S??? xxxDDD I do and P600S will be my next case.
I would've preferred the white P600s but it's glossy, so grey it is!
I prefer the Fractal Design case, though I agree that the grey does look nice on the Phanteks. How about a grey Meshify S2?
I decide for the phanteks p600s in grey.... I don't regret at all
Great, clean and tidy review as always Dimitri! Keep it up brother...!
I'd like the Meshify in the gunmetal gray, which is available for the Define S2, i would instantly buy it
Uuuuurgent question. Can you vertically mount this graphics card in the Meshify S2 or is it too big: GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER AORUS
Is this 4K upload new? Haven't seen that before, nice. I always love your reviews and looks forward to the next. I wish I went with the Fractal design rather then my H700i (I love it but like that mesh looks quite a bit.)
In short, fractal wins acoustics, Phanteks wins temperature battle. So a tie :)
Price is the same. But fractal looks better, so I pick fractal overall :)
Watch the video again. The Phanteks is better on noise and CPU cooling.
When are u gonna review the the meshify 2 from fractal, been waiting for it for quiet a while now.