Had the pleasure of meeting him this year at nationals. All I can say is wow what a helpful humble guy. He took the time to tell lil me to answer the question I had Couldn’t be prouder to be joining the sport at this time with incredible ppl like norm and f class John. There are others but those two took the time above just giving a lil back. They went above what is expected from the pros of our sport. Thank you Norm.
Every sport teaches us one very important thing, which no other thing in life can teach. It teach you how to loose and accept it and still get a chance to try again. Notice in all these news talk shows, media or at work or education, nobody knows how to loose. And other thing it teaches us is collaboration, even in the individual sport. Thank you for that Erik.
Erik, can I please make a request? Will you please make a short video explaining the rules and scoring for F-Class? It will make it a lot easier to follow several of these interviews if you do.
The basics F T/R = Target rifle F Open = Open class gun. T/R must weigh less then 8.25Kg (about 18 pounds) and must be chambered in either 5.56/.223 or 7.62 nato/ 308 win. With no restriction on bullet weight. T/R rifles allow the use of Bipods only for front rest and a rear bag. Bipods are included in the weight of the gun. Any safe trigger of any weight, no release triggers. Any scope or iron sights. no scopes that project light onto the target (Laser sights) Yes it's a rule. F Open is a max 10KG (about 22 pounds) gun that can be fired from a machine rest and rear bag so long as the two are not mounted on the same surface. (Think rail gun) if a bipod is used the bipod is included in the weight of the rifle. Caliber is limited to .35 bore or what ever the range limit is. again any scope or iron sight. Scoring. targets are as follows X Ring = .5 moa 10 Ring = 1.0 moa 9 Ring = 2.0 moa 8 Ring = 3.0 Aprox moa Course of fire is typically 3x1000 meaning three strings of fire at 1000 yards. This can be shot with unlimited sighters or limited sighters Unlimited sighters and 20 shots for record is fired in a time limit of 30 minutes and limited sighters is 2 sighters and 20 shots for record in a time limit of 22 minutes. You get a three minute warning to your prep time of two minutes. prep time is when you set your gear up, get your rifle pointed at the target sitting on the rear bag and bipod or front rest and you may dryfire. At the command "With one round load" you load your rifle and wait for "you may fire when your targets appear" command. and the timer begins. Palma F class is 800 900 and 1000 yards with 20 shots for record shot at each distance usually with limited sighters. Scorers can only record your score and tell you how many rounds down you are in the course of fire, The can not coach in any way. a typical call out from the scorer would be. "X -12 on" meaning the last shot was an X and that was your 12th shot for record. they are not allowed to say "X at about 3 o'clock - 12 on" That's coaching. They cant even say "watch the wind" once you start shooting your record shots. Team matches can be run a bit differently sometime that are two shooters shooting side by side at the same time with a scorer and wind coach, and sometimes they are shot individually for a team score. I have not shot a lot of team matches so I will not guess at this. It would be cool for Erik to put this in a video though
Shooting in the rain. It can be wonderful. I was shooting at Elbow Mtn. in Arkansas years ago in a Palma Match. It was misting rain at the 1,000 yd. stage. I could barely see the target. I focused my spotting scope and could watch how much the rain drops slanted in the wind. That was the best wind indicator I have ever had! I shot my best 1,000 yd. score up to then. I believe it was 150-10X. The next relay gave up. They couldn’t see the target anymore. At least I wasn’t in the pits!
Please excuse the rookie question but how do you wind up with 200-22x's on what I'm assuming is a 20 round group? Are the sighters counted on the x total?
One of the great things about this sport is that even a wannabe like me can meet the champions. I have been squaded with Mid Thompkins and David Tub at different times in the Wimbledon match at Camp Perry. I suppose Camp Perry is gone now.
That means that the shooter during sighting in was likely confident that the rifle was on the target prior to going for Score. Then the first shot was a 9 ( meaning they missed the bullseye or the 10 ring) on the very first shot. In F class we get unlimited sighters before going for score. So a nine one on means the shooters first shot was a miss and they dropped a point,
When you lay down to start your string in F-Class, you have a total time limit, but unlimited sighters. So you start shooting and when you decide to go for record, the scorer will call out what he sees on your target and how many shots you have "on" the record. So, if you have your act together, you should only call for record when you are ready and can shoot a 10 or X with confidence. But, if you screw up and shoot a 9 on the first shot, then it is a 9 one (shot) on. The other common mistake is to end an otherwise clean string with a "9 twenty and all out".
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Erik, another great interview .................A smart man will tell you everything you need to know, but not everything he knows !!
Second time through this interview and enjoyed it again! Met Norm at the Sierra Cup last year and super nice guy.
If you don't learn something every episode listening to this channel your not paying attention. Thank you for the knowledge
Had the pleasure of meeting him this year at nationals. All I can say is wow what a helpful humble guy. He took the time to tell lil me to answer the question I had Couldn’t be prouder to be joining the sport at this time with incredible ppl like norm and f class John. There are others but those two took the time above just giving a lil back. They went above what is expected from the pros of our sport. Thank you Norm.
Every sport teaches us one very important thing, which no other thing in life can teach. It teach you how to loose and accept it and still get a chance to try again.
Notice in all these news talk shows, media or at work or education, nobody knows how to loose.
And other thing it teaches us is collaboration, even in the individual sport. Thank you for that Erik.
Erik, can I please make a request? Will you please make a short video explaining the rules and scoring for F-Class? It will make it a lot easier to follow several of these interviews if you do.
The basics
F T/R = Target rifle
F Open = Open class gun.
T/R must weigh less then 8.25Kg (about 18 pounds) and must be chambered in either 5.56/.223 or 7.62 nato/ 308 win. With no restriction on bullet weight. T/R rifles allow the use of Bipods only for front rest and a rear bag. Bipods are included in the weight of the gun. Any safe trigger of any weight, no release triggers. Any scope or iron sights. no scopes that project light onto the target (Laser sights) Yes it's a rule.
F Open is a max 10KG (about 22 pounds) gun that can be fired from a machine rest and rear bag so long as the two are not mounted on the same surface. (Think rail gun) if a bipod is used the bipod is included in the weight of the rifle. Caliber is limited to .35 bore or what ever the range limit is. again any scope or iron sight.
Scoring.
targets are as follows
X Ring = .5 moa
10 Ring = 1.0 moa
9 Ring = 2.0 moa
8 Ring = 3.0 Aprox moa
Course of fire is typically 3x1000 meaning three strings of fire at 1000 yards. This can be shot with unlimited sighters or limited sighters
Unlimited sighters and 20 shots for record is fired in a time limit of 30 minutes and limited sighters is 2 sighters and 20 shots for record in a time limit of 22 minutes. You get a three minute warning to your prep time of two minutes. prep time is when you set your gear up, get your rifle pointed at the target sitting on the rear bag and bipod or front rest and you may dryfire. At the command "With one round load" you load your rifle and wait for "you may fire when your targets appear" command. and the timer begins.
Palma F class is 800 900 and 1000 yards with 20 shots for record shot at each distance usually with limited sighters.
Scorers can only record your score and tell you how many rounds down you are in the course of fire, The can not coach in any way. a typical call out from the scorer would be. "X -12 on" meaning the last shot was an X and that was your 12th shot for record. they are not allowed to say "X at about 3 o'clock - 12 on" That's coaching. They cant even say "watch the wind" once you start shooting your record shots.
Team matches can be run a bit differently sometime that are two shooters shooting side by side at the same time with a scorer and wind coach, and sometimes they are shot individually for a team score. I have not shot a lot of team matches so I will not guess at this. It would be cool for Erik to put this in a video though
Google it man......why ask another to do basic research on your behalf?
I got to shoot with Norm and his wife at a small range in Arkansas. He is amazing and helped starters out.
So much to take in thanks for everything !
You are so welcome!
I’m not a competitive shooter but I love these interviews, keeping coming
Thks Erik
Norm is the man. Great guy too.
"you're really scrapin the bottom of the barrel now" made me spit out my coffee. :) Great way to start this interview.
These videos are great Erik. Appreciate these. We're lucky to get to sit in on these conversations like this. Buncha lucky flies on the wall.
Shout out to Red Castle. My home club.
So grateful for the wisdom and knowledge that is being shared. Thank you gentlemen!
This is one of my favorite talks.
Fantastic interview once again.
Awesome interview with a class act !
That’s my buddy!!
Shooting in the rain. It can be wonderful. I was shooting at Elbow Mtn. in Arkansas years ago in a Palma Match. It was misting rain at the 1,000 yd. stage. I could barely see the target. I focused my spotting scope and could watch how much the rain drops slanted in the wind. That was the best wind indicator I have ever had! I shot my best 1,000 yd. score up to then. I believe it was 150-10X. The next relay gave up. They couldn’t see the target anymore. At least I wasn’t in the pits!
Great interviews Thank you and your guest.
Please excuse the rookie question but how do you wind up with 200-22x's on what I'm assuming is a 20 round group? Are the sighters counted on the x total?
If you shoot max X’s, you keep going.
Was at that match when he did that. Very cool.
@@gristlepounder Yeah he did that at Nationals and it actually occurred during a horrible weather day and it was raining when he broke the record.
Man, Erik has been learning plethoras of things.
Thanks guys great content
Love this video... but all I got from you guys was do not shoot a 300WSM.
One of the great things about this sport is that even a wannabe like me can meet the champions. I have been squaded with Mid Thompkins and David Tub at different times in the Wimbledon match at Camp Perry. I suppose Camp Perry is gone now.
Check out twisted barrel in little Rock owners are great guys and it goes out to 1.25 miles
Like pointing bullets ?
What does "9 one on" mean?
First shot was a 9, dropping a shot/ point
That means that the shooter during sighting in was likely confident that the rifle was on the target prior to going for Score. Then the first shot was a 9 ( meaning they missed the bullseye or the 10 ring) on the very first shot. In F class we get unlimited sighters before going for score. So a nine one on means the shooters first shot was a miss and they dropped a point,
When you lay down to start your string in F-Class, you have a total time limit, but unlimited sighters. So you start shooting and when you decide to go for record, the scorer will call out what he sees on your target and how many shots you have "on" the record. So, if you have your act together, you should only call for record when you are ready and can shoot a 10 or X with confidence. But, if you screw up and shoot a 9 on the first shot, then it is a 9 one (shot) on. The other common mistake is to end an otherwise clean string with a "9 twenty and all out".
Really??? Now you're switching back to a Shehane. Just wonderful. Now all of us will have to change back to the Shehane.
Shehane is what?
@@theunforgivenpuritan4102 284 Shehane is a slightly modified wildcat that retains the same 35° shoulder as the parent case. However, by blowing the sidewalls out 0.010″, the . 284 Shehane picks up about 3.3 grains of extra case capacity
One small correction: The Shehane is not a wildcat, it's an improved case. Other than that, it's all correct.
How big is an x at 1000 yds?
5 inches
Ever heard of Doug Pashcal?
I just had him do some bolt work for me and my girlfriend got his autograph
Could you throw us a bone with some .22lr benchrest shooters
F class is not realistic on the battle field