Joel you have very skilfully conveyed to the viewer how special this car makes the driver feel, I hope you continue to get access to cars like this. Well done with this one and all your highly engaging content which is so much better than the TV guys manage! I’ve been following you since the early days and so pleased to see the progress you’ve made in subs etc it’s richly deserved.
a younger mans bias. a man over 45, financially well off, not thinking off how much noise a car makes, or kilometers per litre of petrol or cost comparisons. that's who this car is being marketed to! understatement is why i love this car. a younger man, under 35, with limited finances, and still some boyhood tastes, sees everything differently. i have a few million, i want the power,(better to have it and not need it), the comfort, i love flying under the radar, and as for cost, i'm sure i will die leaving money in my bank account! also this car is marketed to those of us who have several cars, not one or two.
It’s a good point, similar position, tho I don’t want a turbo, if I want to go fast I”ll fire up one of my ducatis, I’ll take a Carrera 4. I really havent got the balls to drop 180 large on a car. I like the colour. 911s really aren’t my dream car either.
Surely the Turbo S is the ultimate ‘compromise’ (in a privileged sense) car with unbeatable bandwidth for the buyer who can only have two cars - for parking/garaging reasons rather than financial. What else pairs this level of performance with an ability to sit in car parks without drawing too much attention?
A car enthusiast will always consider noise levels of a sports car and how fast it can go disregards of his age otherwise he would go buy himself a Bentayga and sure a sports car will never be your only car but you take it out when you are in the mood to get naughty.
Agree. I have a 997 Turbo (less money 😊) and a couple of larger SUVs. However I just bought a very low mileage Abarth 124 Spider. The 911 Turbo is brutal but anywhere but a track the Abarth is more fun. I'm replacing the cheapest plastic bits (like the sun visors) but sometimes money can steer you wrong.
I recently got to drive a friend’s Turbo S over a mix of roads. As someone who has run base Carreras for over 20 years (a 993 and a 997), I have to say I was mightily impressed by it’s sheer competence. Impressed but not moved by the experience in anywhere near the same way I am every time I drive the Carreras. Made me think of a hefty sledgehammer versus pure and delicate scalpels.
Dude. You just compared, and I’ll stick with the 997, to a turbo s. Scalpel? In the motor tend figure 8, where you need to be a scalpel, the turbo S did it in 22 seconds. 2 seconds faster than 997 Carrera. Nurburgring Nord track, turbo s bests the 997 by 40 seconds man. Take all that out and it still takes 20ft more to stop your 997. Now 992 a different story. Motortend figure 8 the base 911 only loses to turbo s by .2 seconds. But still loses on the nord track by 13 seconds. Still has a worse lateral g. 2 full seconds slower from 0-100 All these cars are great for what each of us want. If you have the roads, want a daily driving rocket ship where you have many chances of feeling that acceleration and in control no matter the conditions, and have the $. Turbo s hands down every day. If you like rear wheel drive, and don’t have the roads, cash, don’t drive aggressive, well 911 base is your car. Still does 0-60 in 3.2. Gt3 is awesome. But not a daily driver at all. More expensive than a turbo s. But I can get it in a manual and it’s fun as hell. It is more raw. Honestly it’d be great to have the turbo s as your daily and gt3 as your play toy. If $$ were unlimited : )
Yah I was a bit disappointed when I test drove the 992 turbo s. Its obviously fast but kind of soft and still had some lag. Hopping back into my MC20 immediately after, the MC20 def felt faster mainly because it was lower, louder, better steering ratio, RWD, and more raw. At that level of speed and hp, I'll take the car that has the better driving feel and sensation of speed over the car that objectively has a slightly quicker 0-60 and 1/4 mile time.
The biggest mistake of my entire life was to sell a Boxster S that I had! Not a single day goes by that I don’t think about that car! Porsches DO make you feel special, it’s a life achievement!
@@Aleppo.1234 Smaller, lighter, better balanced and drive a lot more like the 911s of old. If you're someone that drives on a track, you'd possibly like the feel of a 718 more than the 911. Also because the majority of us cannot even come close to unleashing the full potential of a 911 so it feels like you can get more out of the 718.
@@lifeofentropy Not exactly true. I had a Cayman, Boxster S, 911 as Cabrio and Targa. Never miss the 911, the Boxster I miss a lot and I think I'll get one again soon.
hey joel, great review as always, although i have something to point out, it does have rain sensing wipers. according to the manual book, to activate the rain sensing function is to put the stalk in the intermittent position, and to set the sensitivity of it is to toggle the intermittent speed switch to increase or decrease the sensitivity. this is how it is on porsches, including the macans, cayennes, they don't have an "auto" label on the wiper stalk, cheers.
I own a 991 Turbo and can relate to this video. It is an amazing grand tourer. Comfortable, smooth and lots of power on reserve. Where it falls short is on that visceral feel. You feel very removed from the engine, chassis, and road. If you look at this car from a lens of refinement it’s quite amazing what they have achieved. However if you look at it from the view of an analog, focused sports car…the cayman is a better platform
I have a 991.2 Turbo S. I don't find it feels removed from anything to be honest. Mine has a tune and exhaust, nothing else and makes nearly 700hp. To be fair, they did significantly upgrade the steering for the 991.2 and it has quite a bit more feel than the 991.1. I've done a dozen track days, and about the same amount of drag strip nights over the past 7 seasons and for me, it's terrific and gives me just the feedback I need because I'm acclimatized to it. It is RUTHLESSLY fast in the right environment. The exhaust gave it some soul / noise that the car needed. Hanging the tail out in a particular sequence of corners in my car is hilarious fun, people that tell you these cars have no soul etc. just aren't driving them fast enough because they have HIGH levels of competence.
@@lotsofcurveslover You don't. But it sure helps, because the limits of them are very high. You don't have to do full throttle all the time or anything, just bring your corner speeds up and ride the wave of turbo torque. But on the track they are relentless.
it genuinely shocks me how you have such little views you have. I wish you all the success because the videography in this video alone is absolutely brilliant.
Your talent of speaking professionally about a car in a informative but also emotional way while driving, shows again here. I am sure the Porsche guys know it as well and I am looking forward to the GT3 😁
If you have money , you do not compute gas mileage! You just go balling. The people who can afford to buy this can afford gas. People who just review it but can’t buy it, will always complain about gas mileage. Buy a Toyota Yaris GRS then.
Outstanding review. You thoroughly covered a very complex car….and broke it down into understandable segments. The comparison to the base Carrera was very interesting and informative. I have a 2023 911 that I took delivery on in April. I absolutely adore this car !!! Thanks for the fine review !
Thank you it really gave me pleasure to see you driving it and reminded me of how much I miss mine. I am away but back home soon. Great review brother!
I own a 997.2 Turbo S it’s absolutely the right width for U.K. Roads, Depreciation over 5yrs zero in fact I was offered £8000 more than I paid for it by a Porsche dealership last year..
Turbo S has frequency adjustable auto windscreen wipers, operated from the column stalk. I live in the West Country with predominantly single carriageway roads and find the Turbo S one of the safest cars I have ever driven. There's enough grunt for every situation with overtaking opportunities that would not be possible in a Carrera.
Joel, ignore the negatives, insensitive comments are not needed. This has been perhaps your best production so far, the quality and content is getting better and better. Keep doing what you love. In regard to the Turbo S v base Carrera, for me, it’s the base Carrera for me. Useable everyday, in every aspect, and with that, enough power/handling to make you smile. Great work Joel. 👌
Safely mod it to ~ 1000 hp, , always drive it in Sport plus and be ready to frequently use the 20 second boost button to keep the hyper-speed window small by following up a smooth boost/throttle modulated auto shift session with those great brakes to elude the constabulary. You will need headers, 100 cell cats, and a Tubi Style straight pipe muffler by pass to enjoy the aural character of this beast that was chained and muzzled by the time it was released from the production line.
not sure if anyone has commented, but very, very well done mic'ing while on the interior. That is an art form and you've done it well. That feather is not a wardrobe accessory, ha
Great video 💥 Great spec! Was up there myself recently with my Cayman…. It’s still easy to break the speed limits even with my crappy two litre… Smiles per miles…. Less is more 💥 Love it….
"The gears are too tall" That's how it's like with all modern supercars. You're already practically breaking the speed limit in 1st on the GT3...as I found out.
introduction was nice and we got to appreciate that sometimes no matter how good a car might be the scenery these cars are taken into is the reason these cars are made.
To take a car like this that is built for a very specific purpose and judge it like you would judge a Toyota Camry seems bit of a waste of time. There are very few people who actually get these cars and none of them care about any of the complaints being mentioned in this review. Try a Cabriolet version on an open highway on a bright day, there’s nothing like it. Keep one for more than 3 months, you will want it to go faster. No car is too fast once you get used to it. If worried about breaking speed limits, why would anyone even consider a sports car like this? But thank you for your effort.
Problem is…. The top spec 911 cars just perplex me on the “value equation”. As you say, it’s twice the cost of the entry 911 which at £100k more, makes one wonder, what could be possibly worth the extra. I love Porsche and have owned plenty in last 25 years. Same issue presented itself when looking to upgrade my McLaren 570 spider… the increased cost to a new 720 spider was over £100k… and I couldn’t justify that, so just bought a Ferrari California T instead which is a great GT car verses an out-n-out sports car. So now I have two cars that do different things for the price of one, and still some left over to get a GR Yaris to hoon around a track with impunity…😁
I can tell you one thing: right now my car is 7 years old and yet I could sell it for probably $20K less than I bought it. That makes it cheaper to own than my diesel truck which eats tires and has issues every year when the 911 just soldiers on no matter how I drive it... and I take it to the track.
Well done Joel, as an elder auto enthusiast and first time seeing you (already subscribed), I congratulate you on your assessment fitting the driver needs and behavior if on public roads. The GT3 is definitely a wise overall choice with the nominally aspirated engine singing at 9K. can become an addiction for some of us, lol, I go further and say I would absolutely go with the manual gearbox for that extra connection and experience, cheers! 👍
Nice video but there is a glaring error in it PDDC does not stiffen the suspension. it is to stiffens the engine mounts to help in cornering (you don't have a moment of force on the rear engine moving in it mounts in the corner). So it does create a more jiggly ride on the straights but improves cornering. To stiffen the suspension you need to change the suspension modes (Sports and sports+).
MPG means nothing to a sportscar owner. If MPG meant anything we wouldn't be in these cars. My 2.5si Z4 is averaging 19mpg and it makes me happy. Luv and Peace.
I had an ultra low mileage 993 Turbo for 14 years which I have just sold. What a totally incredible car that was. My next Porsche will be older, slower and more simple. These don’t interest me in the least but the review was nicely done.
…with respect to the exhaust, I replaced the OEM with an aftermarket 3” X-pipe exhaust and it completely transformed my driving enjoyment/experience. The Turbo is known as “Top” in Germany, so it’s considered the King of 911s. Enough said. YMMV.
Just to note that of course you can spec that interior on the base Carerra, and the exterior Aventurine Green colour is also a standard metallic option for the 992 range. Similarly, you can spec a Turbo S with same yellow exterior and the same black interior as on the base Carrera you tested.
finally someone has the guts to say the truth - the car has actually got too good for the current road legistlation and sensible saftety ! Good on you Joel, and good on Porsche supporting you. I've kind of given up on these videos on youtube, but this is refreshing ..... and I expect Porsche will come good with a GT3 (hopefully RS). I would be particularly interested in a video of you driving GT3 at the Silverstone experience centre as I am thinking of booking for me and my son as a treat, but I suspect the GT3 might have outgrown that facility as the 4S we both drove there seemed plenty quick enough !!
I have a 2021 BMW S1000RR M package motorbike - 207bph and all the driving modes and features you have in a modern 911. The bike has way more power than I will ever need or use and I have only ever used one of its driving modes but I never think this bike is ridiculous and I was silly to buy it because its way too fast for me or the law. Just owning one of the fastest bikes on the road today is enough enjoyment for me. Id have that Turbo S in a heartbeat too if I could afford it even if I would rarely exceed the speed limit in it.
There's an east fix to the experience here. Get an exhaust. I own this car, I put an akrapovic exhaust on it and it changed the experience. It sounds mean and angry but not in a cheap way and yeah you can still drive the car in normal and have it be mostly quiet but give it a little boost or better yet drive it in sport or port plus and the car becomes an animal
Great review. I'm still thrilled with my 997.2TT (PDK). I do use its performance (situationally aware) every day, and I like its low profile: quiet exhaust; tame aero; and the AWD reduces wheelspin, especially in Winter driving. 997's are more compact with more steering feedback (hydraulic). I do agree that poor fuel efficiency is a significant downside costwise, environmentally, with frequent fill-ups. I do miss Android Auto, and backup camera. I agree that its weight at 3700 lbs is a deficit. I opted for EVOMSit so I've got over 600bhp.
I'm enjoying the crap out of my 22 Turbo S Cabriolet with a 100hp computer tune. It feels like a sling shot passing other cars through traffic or entrance ramps
Nice review Joel 🙌 a few points 1. Steering feel on the base Carrera model is better as it’s 2 wheel drive (not all wheel drive as Turbo S - any car with 2 wd has better steering feel than 4 wd, regardless of make of car) 2. Steering feel on base Carrera for every day driving is better than 992 GT3 (this has ultimate feedback but way too much for daily driving, or a motorway drive to Scotland.. although in the Scottish mountains the steering feel of the current GT3 eclipses most exotic cars) 3. Turbo S is usually somebody’s 3rd car, so the additional cost of ownership (buying / running / depreciation) is not normally high on a buyers importance list 4. Turbos S is a ‘beast’ and is very easy to drive, quickly or slowly, in any gear (little talent needed to drive fast) 5. Base Carrera more fun to drive as you ‘work the car’, rather than Turbo S that does it all for you. I will watch more of your review, great work 👏
Nice gig if you can get it though….I love Glen Coe valley and other favourite is the road to Ballater even better in an old Porsche Boxster roof down 😊 summer or winter…..
I took what I thought was lame clickbait, but your review and comments about it being disappointing that you can't really push the car as fast as it can because it has so much more power , nand you know it can give much more before you lose your licence or kill yourself and others is a great analysis. This will make a lot of people like myself stay dreaming about a base model 911 which is more than enough.
I had the same thought. Our roads aren't great, Winters are long, and they're very liberal with salt brine. So, my sports car will sit in the garage for 6-7mo. Without a track anywhere close, I'm asking for trouble - really nowhere to 'turn it loose' safely and legally. Already experiencing that issue with my current car ... 600hp is fun but there's really nowhere to get the most out of it. Still want to own a Porsche, eventually ... but it'd likely be used, and if it's a Turbo, it'll be a bit older to appeal to my pocketbook.
You know I was debating for a while should I spent double to get the king turbo S or n/a Carrera so I naturally opted to get the C4S 997 which in terms of analog drive and sound is what I like the most and after a year I love it so much , for speed I have an amg so that’s a different story to tell another time 😅, Porsche is one of those cars like does everything you want from a sports car but at the same time not boasting about it like the Italian cars do . This car design is the best you get for its laws of physics and strong reliability and build quality is a bonus .💪🏻👍
Great review with amazing scenery and backdrop. I agree that awesome as the Turbo undoubtedly is the base car may just be more fun more of the time. Maybe the GTS is the pick of the range.
Joel, you will have to move to Autobahn country. I live 5 minutes from a looong unrestricted stretch north of Hamburg. Too much power is never a frustrating thing here 😂 !
Good review. I suspect the same 'less is more' opinion on what would be a better road car could also be applied to the 911 vs a (six cylinder) Cayman. You just need the self confidence to brush off the claims that you have a Cayman/Boxster because you couldn't afford a 911.
Thanks Joel. I think you miss an important detail though. If you're in the demographic to be purchasing a Turbo S, you don't care about losing 10 mpg to the base model. Nor do you actually care that there's a ton of unaccesable perfromance on UK roads. You just know that it's there, and to those that can afford it, it's worth every penny. Great review though, keep doing what you're doing
Sorry but this is a TurboS ... flagship car. The issues you pick up are first world and the people who will mostly want to afford or can afford it... TurboS buyers tend to be the ones that want people to see thats what they can afford. And why say something in two minutes when you can say it in ten ..... please keep the potential to do a great review economical in length and cut down on the repeating ... otherwise well done. Try a CarreraT .... THIS may be your sweet spot 🙂
If you are not a Porschephile, the BMW M240i and M2 are well worth considering. Even the M240i offers very similar sub-4s 0-60 straight-line performance to the base Carrera/C4 for half the money. Not quite as accomplished overall. Won't hold value as well, as a percentage, but you won't lose as much money. And it's more practical. If you're a family person, look no further than an M3 Touring. For the price of the Turbo S, you can get a base Carerra and an M3 Touring, or a fully-loaded Cayman/Boxster GTS 4.0 manual and a full-loaded M3 Touring.
Joel you stepped up the standards with excellent production including the beautiful scenery, well done and keep up this superb production. In summary watching your contents on the 911 base V 911 turbo, power corrupts. I get your point this car is excess to requirements. I drive a base Cayman and after extended test drive of Cayman S I could barely justify buying the latter considering the value and the performance difference. Brilliant review.
I don't think people who can afford Turbo S is going to care, they would buy it just because they can. 😅 A case for Turbo S is that there are certain of us who likes speeds, just pure unadulterated speeds!
Have you seen how many Porsche turbo S there are on the Porsche website for sale those are literally hundreds and hundreds of new turbo S for sale at a discount, but still not affordable
Having been lucky enough to won a few 911's over the years, I find it hard to get any emotional excitement out of the modern versions with turbo's. They just sound asthmatic - looks wise they are stunning in my eyes but I miss the mechanical flat 6 howl. Based on that, would an electric 911 be any different?. Just saying....
At 20:35; Why put the car in the potholes? One avoid those with ANY car, especially when the wheels are so wide. Any imperfection to a wheel on a car with performance like that one, is a big NO!
Yes, I share your point of view. A good chunk of power is good, too much (useless) power is pointless. I think the 992 Turbo S is a showcase of what Porsche can do. I wouldn’t be surprised if the most enjoyable 911 to drive is the new 992 Carrera T, with a manual gearbox. A friend of mine said : nowadays the upper limit of useful power on public roads is 400 PS, anything beyond is going to prove to be a waste. Still, the Turbo S remains a great car. The question is, is it worth the expense and the power !
For a moment you sounded like Mat Watson when starting about your door pocket and a big water bottle. Never understood that. Of course having some water with you on your drive is nice, but drinking from a 1,5l bottle when driving is nearly impossible, so you have to stop anyway :D
Nice review. The "Base" 911 is two-wheel drive where the Turbo S is all-wheel drive. All-wheel drive will give up some road feel. No offense, but has anyone ever suggested removing that mole under your left nostril? It's distracting.
I’m really only interested in and have owned Porsche GT cars. These are fun weekend and track cars. Just get something else as a daily. Plenty of non Porsche options.
Great review as always Joel. Love these road trip videos. Going on a road trip next year and I'm looking for an overnight stay in the Glencoe area. What were your thoughts on the Kingshouse Hotel
I think most people if they had a money no object choice would go for a turbo S over a base model every time as would I. I owned a 2005 997 Carerra 2S for a few years and even that only came into its own after you had exceeded most speed limits so I think most people only go for these cars for the ownership experience and status symbol kudo's rather than an extreme driving experience. They are GT cars rather than sports cars. I get more driving enjoyment from my year 2000 Fiat Coupe 20VT or my 1991 BMW E30 325i but still owning a 911 is so special that it has to be experienced at least once in your lifetime.
The one ding I’d put on this video is it was mostly all highway driving as you compared it to the 911 you drove which showed lots of twisties in your flashback clips. Otherwise great video. A turbo s driven at 70mph on the highway for hundreds of miles will be not worth the $. I’d take a 911 base any day. Now a turbo s where you have lots of turns, stops, on ramps, off ramps, and open space where you aren’t worrying about cops. Or where you like to easily pass cars. I’d take turbo s hands down every day. It pulls 3sec 0-60s in the rain. Acceleration grip out of corners is unreal. The fun is 0-40. 40-80. 25-50. And back to a stop sign. Back to the fun again.
@@bwdrivesTesla plaid is electric. Crap interior, does not handle turns well, looks like crap, sounds like nothing, and brakes sucks. Let’s be honest, a Land Rover passed Joel in a turbo s review video.
Hi Joel, Sorry, I'm a bit late to the party on this one! Firstly, thanks for the in-depth review of this stunning Turbo S. The cinematography of the video is top notch, especially the stunning introduction....well done! I totally agree that , for the UK at least, this car is just too powerful & the driver will never be able to legally utilize more than 50% of that performance. Much better to go for a Carrera , Carrera S/4S or possibly a GTS if you must have more power. This alone will save £1000s, even more if you opt for a good condition, used vehicle. The colour of this particular car is fantastic, but doesn't really come across that well on the video. I was lucky enough to see a similar Turbo S with a Sport Design Package in Aventurine Green on my last visit to the UK & the colour was the stand out feature.....if I ever have enough money to buy a 911, that is the colour I would want it to be! Keep up the great work! 👍🔥👍
Hi Anthony... I am in two minds between buying a used carrera s/4s or just blow my savings on the beast... turbo s... I need a car as a daily... I love doing long distance driving, weekends away and I want a car that is good in city driving and that can eat up motorway miles for breakfast also My local porsche salesman says the carrera model is ideal for my needs My sister says get the turbo s... It has all that horse power and is one of the top models in the range Plus not many on the road Compared to the carrera models on the road Which car do you recommend for my needs??
Great review. I have a 2004 Carerra which is a great car, and recently looked to upgrade to a 992 Carerra which I thought was just brilliant. I’ve always wondered whether a TurboS would really offer much benefit in normal driving.
Can you name a better road/car combo?
GT3 and A93? Looking forward to watching this one on the Turbo, great work!
@@oliwoods15great shout
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My cheap (3k) MX5 around the back roads of Burford. Dry road, just about perfect 👍
lol you aren't actually joking eith3er@@markcompton6750
Joel you have very skilfully conveyed to the viewer how special this car makes the driver feel, I hope you continue to get access to cars like this. Well done with this one and all your highly engaging content which is so much better than the TV guys manage! I’ve been following you since the early days and so pleased to see the progress you’ve made in subs etc it’s richly deserved.
Lovely comment, much appreciated!
Only had my 911 turbo S for less than a year and absolutely love it
a younger mans bias. a man over 45, financially well off, not thinking off how much noise a car makes, or kilometers per litre of petrol or cost comparisons. that's who this car is being marketed to! understatement is why i love this car. a younger man, under 35, with limited finances, and still some boyhood tastes, sees everything differently. i have a few million, i want the power,(better to have it and not need it), the comfort, i love flying under the radar, and as for cost, i'm sure i will die leaving money in my bank account! also this car is marketed to those of us who have several cars, not one or two.
It’s a good point, similar position, tho I don’t want a turbo, if I want to go fast I”ll fire up one of my ducatis, I’ll take a Carrera 4. I really havent got the balls to drop 180 large on a car. I like the colour. 911s really aren’t my dream car either.
Surely the Turbo S is the ultimate ‘compromise’ (in a privileged sense) car with unbeatable bandwidth for the buyer who can only have two cars - for parking/garaging reasons rather than financial. What else pairs this level of performance with an ability to sit in car parks without drawing too much attention?
A car enthusiast will always consider noise levels of a sports car and how fast it can go disregards of his age otherwise he would go buy himself a Bentayga and sure a sports car will never be your only car but you take it out when you are in the mood to get naughty.
Agree. I have a 997 Turbo (less money 😊) and a couple of larger SUVs. However I just bought a very low mileage Abarth 124 Spider. The 911 Turbo is brutal but anywhere but a track the Abarth is more fun. I'm replacing the cheapest plastic bits (like the sun visors) but sometimes money can steer you wrong.
There’s no car I want more, than the turbo S 😣
I recently got to drive a friend’s Turbo S over a mix of roads. As someone who has run base Carreras for over 20 years (a 993 and a 997), I have to say I was mightily impressed by it’s sheer competence. Impressed but not moved by the experience in anywhere near the same way I am every time I drive the Carreras. Made me think of a hefty sledgehammer versus pure and delicate scalpels.
Dude. You just compared, and I’ll stick with the 997, to a turbo s. Scalpel? In the motor tend figure 8, where you need to be a scalpel, the turbo S did it in 22 seconds. 2 seconds faster than 997 Carrera. Nurburgring Nord track, turbo s bests the 997 by 40 seconds man.
Take all that out and it still takes 20ft more to stop your 997.
Now 992 a different story. Motortend figure 8 the base 911 only loses to turbo s by .2 seconds. But still loses on the nord track by 13 seconds. Still has a worse lateral g. 2 full seconds slower from 0-100
All these cars are great for what each of us want. If you have the roads, want a daily driving rocket ship where you have many chances of feeling that acceleration and in control no matter the conditions, and have the $. Turbo s hands down every day. If you like rear wheel drive, and don’t have the roads, cash, don’t drive aggressive, well 911 base is your car. Still does 0-60 in 3.2.
Gt3 is awesome. But not a daily driver at all. More expensive than a turbo s. But I can get it in a manual and it’s fun as hell. It is more raw. Honestly it’d be great to have the turbo s as your daily and gt3 as your play toy. If $$ were unlimited : )
Yah I was a bit disappointed when I test drove the 992 turbo s. Its obviously fast but kind of soft and still had some lag. Hopping back into my MC20 immediately after, the MC20 def felt faster mainly because it was lower, louder, better steering ratio, RWD, and more raw. At that level of speed and hp, I'll take the car that has the better driving feel and sensation of speed over the car that objectively has a slightly quicker 0-60 and 1/4 mile time.
@@js002003 Good point on "Sensation-of-Speed" ... I say, 'Sensation' wins over actual speed ...
The biggest mistake of my entire life was to sell a Boxster S that I had! Not a single day goes by that I don’t think about that car!
Porsches DO make you feel special, it’s a life achievement!
You can purchase time whenever you like.
Why some people prefer Boxter over 911 ?
@@Aleppo.1234 They dont, the boxter is just much cheaper and more obtainable.
@@Aleppo.1234 Smaller, lighter, better balanced and drive a lot more like the 911s of old. If you're someone that drives on a track, you'd possibly like the feel of a 718 more than the 911. Also because the majority of us cannot even come close to unleashing the full potential of a 911 so it feels like you can get more out of the 718.
@@lifeofentropy Not exactly true. I had a Cayman, Boxster S, 911 as Cabrio and Targa. Never miss the 911, the Boxster I miss a lot and I think I'll get one again soon.
hey joel, great review as always, although i have something to point out, it does have rain sensing wipers. according to the manual book, to activate the rain sensing function is to put the stalk in the intermittent position, and to set the sensitivity of it is to toggle the intermittent speed switch to increase or decrease the sensitivity. this is how it is on porsches, including the macans, cayennes, they don't have an "auto" label on the wiper stalk, cheers.
Exactly the same on my Giulia qv
Great review Joel, fantastic setting. I have to say the 911 Turbo S is my lotto win car, brilliant all weather piece of kit.
Really good review. Been following you since the 7 series days and your stuff is just getting better and better.
Fabulous video Joel, the best presentation of the Turbo S I have viewed on TH-cam... 😃
I own a 991 Turbo and can relate to this video. It is an amazing grand tourer. Comfortable, smooth and lots of power on reserve. Where it falls short is on that visceral feel. You feel very removed from the engine, chassis, and road. If you look at this car from a lens of refinement it’s quite amazing what they have achieved. However if you look at it from the view of an analog, focused sports car…the cayman is a better platform
That's exactly what I wonder about all of these supercars. They may be perfect at going ridiculously fast in any conditions but do they have SOUL??
@@lotsofcurveslover very few modern sportscars have feel / soul.
Some modern hothatches still "kinda" have some soul, but not much of them.
I have a 991.2 Turbo S. I don't find it feels removed from anything to be honest. Mine has a tune and exhaust, nothing else and makes nearly 700hp. To be fair, they did significantly upgrade the steering for the 991.2 and it has quite a bit more feel than the 991.1. I've done a dozen track days, and about the same amount of drag strip nights over the past 7 seasons and for me, it's terrific and gives me just the feedback I need because I'm acclimatized to it. It is RUTHLESSLY fast in the right environment.
The exhaust gave it some soul / noise that the car needed. Hanging the tail out in a particular sequence of corners in my car is hilarious fun, people that tell you these cars have no soul etc. just aren't driving them fast enough because they have HIGH levels of competence.
@@SteveC-Shaman good point...do you have to drive these cars crazy fast to feel the soul?
@@lotsofcurveslover You don't. But it sure helps, because the limits of them are very high. You don't have to do full throttle all the time or anything, just bring your corner speeds up and ride the wave of turbo torque. But on the track they are relentless.
it genuinely shocks me how you have such little views you have. I wish you all the success because the videography in this video alone is absolutely brilliant.
If you can afford a £190,000 car than fuel costs are nothing to you.
Wherever, think you are right 😳
Loved this. Said it before but you are defo good enough for TV. This I thought was really well put together. Good work !
Your talent of speaking professionally about a car in a informative but also emotional way while driving, shows again here. I am sure the Porsche guys know it as well and I am looking forward to the GT3 😁
If you have money , you do not compute gas mileage! You just go balling. The people who can afford to buy this can afford gas. People who just review it but can’t buy it, will always complain about gas mileage. Buy a Toyota Yaris GRS then.
Best comment ever what a lame review
Outstanding review.
You thoroughly covered a very complex car….and broke it down into understandable segments.
The comparison to the base Carrera was very interesting and informative.
I have a 2023 911 that I took delivery on in April.
I absolutely adore this car !!!
Thanks for the fine review !
A fantastic review Joel! Very honest, down to earth!
+1. Agreed. . Straight up, knowledgeable.
Thank you it really gave me pleasure to see you driving it and reminded me of how much I miss mine. I am away but back home soon. Great review brother!
Great review!! And thanks for the tip regarding the beautiful scenery! Planning a road trip for next may, and this is now top on the list!!🤩
Well, May has been and gone, so did you make that trip and how did it go?
I own a 997.2 Turbo S it’s absolutely the right width for U.K. Roads, Depreciation over 5yrs zero in fact I was offered £8000 more than I paid for it by a Porsche dealership last year..
They have well tanked in price now
Turbo S has frequency adjustable auto windscreen wipers, operated from the column stalk. I live in the West Country with predominantly single carriageway roads and find the Turbo S one of the safest cars I have ever driven. There's enough grunt for every situation with overtaking opportunities that would not be possible in a Carrera.
Good point about 'overtaking opportunities' ... and you get a lot of 'thrills' during your rides ... Nice
Joel, ignore the negatives, insensitive comments are not needed.
This has been perhaps your best production so far, the quality and content is getting better and better. Keep doing what you love.
In regard to the Turbo S v base Carrera, for me, it’s the base Carrera for me. Useable everyday, in every aspect, and with that, enough power/handling to make you smile.
Great work Joel. 👌
Safely mod it to ~ 1000 hp, , always drive it in Sport plus and be ready to frequently use the 20 second boost button to keep the hyper-speed window small by following up a smooth boost/throttle modulated auto shift session with those great brakes to elude the constabulary. You will need headers, 100 cell cats, and a Tubi Style straight pipe muffler by pass to enjoy the aural character of this beast that was chained and muzzled by the time it was released from the production line.
What an epic start of a video, the music, the first shot of you inside the car, the leather seats... OMG, this one gave me the fizz❤❤
not sure if anyone has commented, but very, very well done mic'ing while on the interior. That is an art form and you've done it well. That feather is not a wardrobe accessory, ha
Great video 💥
Great spec!
Was up there myself recently with my Cayman….
It’s still easy to break the speed limits even with my crappy two litre…
Smiles per miles….
Less is more 💥
Love it….
"The gears are too tall" That's how it's like with all modern supercars. You're already practically breaking the speed limit in 1st on the GT3...as I found out.
I have to say as an ex 911 owner, the most entertaining Porsches are smaller and mid engined.. I liked my 911 but I love my GT4
Would you prefer a Cayman or a Boxter ?
I prefer a Cayman@@Aleppo.1234
introduction was nice and we got to appreciate that sometimes no matter how good a car might be the scenery these cars are taken into is the reason these cars are made.
To take a car like this that is built for a very specific purpose and judge it like you would judge a Toyota Camry seems bit of a waste of time. There are very few people who actually get these cars and none of them care about any of the complaints being mentioned in this review. Try a Cabriolet version on an open highway on a bright day, there’s nothing like it. Keep one for more than 3 months, you will want it to go faster. No car is too fast once you get used to it. If worried about breaking speed limits, why would anyone even consider a sports car like this? But thank you for your effort.
Hear, hear.
Great review , even the Robin liked it !! (2.37) . nice editing and sound.
Yes, I saw a cute birdie .. at the rear right side of this car ... but, I think it wasn't a Robin ... (maybe there was a Robin elsewhere)
Problem is…. The top spec 911 cars just perplex me on the “value equation”. As you say, it’s twice the cost of the entry 911 which at £100k more, makes one wonder, what could be possibly worth the extra. I love Porsche and have owned plenty in last 25 years. Same issue presented itself when looking to upgrade my McLaren 570 spider… the increased cost to a new 720 spider was over £100k… and I couldn’t justify that, so just bought a Ferrari California T instead which is a great GT car verses an out-n-out sports car. So now I have two cars that do different things for the price of one, and still some left over to get a GR Yaris to hoon around a track with impunity…😁
I can tell you one thing: right now my car is 7 years old and yet I could sell it for probably $20K less than I bought it. That makes it cheaper to own than my diesel truck which eats tires and has issues every year when the 911 just soldiers on no matter how I drive it... and I take it to the track.
Absolutely love the spec of this car. Looking forward to the vlog ❤
Well done Joel, as an elder auto enthusiast and first time seeing you (already subscribed), I congratulate you on your assessment fitting the driver needs and behavior if on public roads. The GT3 is definitely a wise overall choice with the nominally aspirated engine singing at 9K. can become an addiction for some of us, lol, I go further and say I would absolutely go with the manual gearbox for that extra connection and experience, cheers! 👍
Me too. Manual is my choice as well ... !
A beautiful car in amazing scenery! Love the video
A wasn’t expecting much from this review however a really well done video and excellent delivery of the narrative 👍
Nice video but there is a glaring error in it PDDC does not stiffen the suspension. it is to stiffens the engine mounts to help in cornering (you don't have a moment of force on the rear engine moving in it mounts in the corner). So it does create a more jiggly ride on the straights but improves cornering.
To stiffen the suspension you need to change the suspension modes (Sports and sports+).
MPG means nothing to a sportscar owner.
If MPG meant anything we wouldn't be in these cars.
My 2.5si Z4 is averaging 19mpg and it makes me happy.
Luv and Peace.
You did a great job on the production of the video 👍
I had an ultra low mileage 993 Turbo for 14 years which I have just sold. What a totally incredible car that was. My next Porsche will be older, slower and more simple. These don’t interest me in the least but the review was nicely done.
I think this is why people love the 997 turbo. It’s brutal fast but manageable and the perfect size.
…with respect to the exhaust, I replaced the OEM with an aftermarket 3” X-pipe exhaust and it completely transformed my driving enjoyment/experience. The Turbo is known as “Top” in Germany, so it’s considered the King of 911s. Enough said. YMMV.
Just to note that of course you can spec that interior on the base Carerra, and the exterior Aventurine Green colour is also a standard metallic option for the 992 range. Similarly, you can spec a Turbo S with same yellow exterior and the same black interior as on the base Carrera you tested.
finally someone has the guts to say the truth - the car has actually got too good for the current road legistlation and sensible saftety ! Good on you Joel, and good on Porsche supporting you. I've kind of given up on these videos on youtube, but this is refreshing ..... and I expect Porsche will come good with a GT3 (hopefully RS). I would be particularly interested in a video of you driving GT3 at the Silverstone experience centre as I am thinking of booking for me and my son as a treat, but I suspect the GT3 might have outgrown that facility as the 4S we both drove there seemed plenty quick enough !!
I have a 2021 BMW S1000RR M package motorbike - 207bph and all the driving modes and features you have in a modern 911. The bike has way more power than I will ever need or use and I have only ever used one of its driving modes but I never think this bike is ridiculous and I was silly to buy it because its way too fast for me or the law. Just owning one of the fastest bikes on the road today is enough enjoyment for me. Id have that Turbo S in a heartbeat too if I could afford it even if I would rarely exceed the speed limit in it.
I have a vague and entirely unsubstantiated suspicion that Joel occasionally deviates from standard traffic regulations
There's an east fix to the experience here. Get an exhaust. I own this car, I put an akrapovic exhaust on it and it changed the experience. It sounds mean and angry but not in a cheap way and yeah you can still drive the car in normal and have it be mostly quiet but give it a little boost or better yet drive it in sport or port plus and the car becomes an animal
The problem is you then invalidate the UK Porsche 3 year warranty plus some insurance companies can be difficult about mods in general.
If you get the chance, be great to see a review of the current Targa. Much more GT cruiser focussed and perfect for these epic road trips
Great review. I'm still thrilled with my 997.2TT (PDK). I do use its performance (situationally aware) every day, and I like its low profile: quiet exhaust; tame aero; and the AWD reduces wheelspin, especially in Winter driving. 997's are more compact with more steering feedback (hydraulic). I do agree that poor fuel efficiency is a significant downside costwise, environmentally, with frequent fill-ups. I do miss Android Auto, and backup camera. I agree that its weight at 3700 lbs is a deficit. I opted for EVOMSit so I've got over 600bhp.
'No Android Auto' ... why ... WHY ... ?
It’s not the car that frustrate you, it’s your mindset
Exactly 😏
I'm enjoying the crap out of my 22 Turbo S Cabriolet with a 100hp computer tune. It feels like a sling shot passing other cars through traffic or entrance ramps
What a great review Joel. Good to see young people like you taking on the baton.
Nice review Joel 🙌 a few points
1. Steering feel on the base Carrera model is better as it’s 2 wheel drive (not all wheel drive as Turbo S - any car with 2 wd has better steering feel than 4 wd, regardless of make of car)
2. Steering feel on base Carrera for every day driving is better than 992 GT3 (this has ultimate feedback but way too much for daily driving, or a motorway drive to Scotland.. although in the Scottish mountains the steering feel of the current GT3 eclipses most exotic cars)
3. Turbo S is usually somebody’s 3rd car, so the additional cost of ownership (buying / running / depreciation) is not normally high on a buyers importance list
4. Turbos S is a ‘beast’ and is very easy to drive, quickly or slowly, in any gear (little talent needed to drive fast)
5. Base Carrera more fun to drive as you ‘work the car’, rather than Turbo S that does it all for you.
I will watch more of your review, great work 👏
Best car ever made.
Love the intro, also the location ❤. Thanks for the video
Nice gig if you can get it though….I love Glen Coe valley and other favourite is the road to Ballater even better in an old Porsche Boxster roof down 😊 summer or winter…..
I took what I thought was lame clickbait, but your review and comments about it being disappointing that you can't really push the car as fast as it can because it has so much more power , nand you know it can give much more before you lose your licence or kill yourself and others is a great analysis. This will make a lot of people like myself stay dreaming about a base model 911 which is more than enough.
@@dwayneharris4787 the base really is more than enough
I had the same thought. Our roads aren't great, Winters are long, and they're very liberal with salt brine. So, my sports car will sit in the garage for 6-7mo. Without a track anywhere close, I'm asking for trouble - really nowhere to 'turn it loose' safely and legally. Already experiencing that issue with my current car ... 600hp is fun but there's really nowhere to get the most out of it. Still want to own a Porsche, eventually ... but it'd likely be used, and if it's a Turbo, it'll be a bit older to appeal to my pocketbook.
Great Review. Honesty appreciated in a gem of a car!
You know I was debating for a while should I spent double to get the king turbo S or n/a Carrera so I naturally opted to get the C4S 997 which in terms of analog drive and sound is what I like the most and after a year I love it so much , for speed I have an amg so that’s a different story to tell another time 😅, Porsche is one of those cars like does everything you want from a sports car but at the same time not boasting about it like the Italian cars do . This car design is the best you get for its laws of physics and strong reliability and build quality is a bonus .💪🏻👍
Another great video Joel 👌👏the base Carrera is the pick of the range
Great review with amazing scenery and backdrop.
I agree that awesome as the Turbo undoubtedly is the base car may just be more fun more of the time.
Maybe the GTS is the pick of the range.
Joel, you will have to move to Autobahn country. I live 5 minutes from a looong unrestricted stretch north of Hamburg. Too much power is never a frustrating thing here 😂 !
Good review. I suspect the same 'less is more' opinion on what would be a better road car could also be applied to the 911 vs a (six cylinder) Cayman. You just need the self confidence to brush off the claims that you have a Cayman/Boxster because you couldn't afford a 911.
Wow the cinematography is amazing.
Thanks Joel. I think you miss an important detail though. If you're in the demographic to be purchasing a Turbo S, you don't care about losing 10 mpg to the base model. Nor do you actually care that there's a ton of unaccesable perfromance on UK roads. You just know that it's there, and to those that can afford it, it's worth every penny. Great review though, keep doing what you're doing
Sorry but this is a TurboS ... flagship car. The issues you pick up are first world and the people who will mostly want to afford or can afford it... TurboS buyers tend to be the ones that want people to see thats what they can afford. And why say something in two minutes when you can say it in ten ..... please keep the potential to do a great review economical in length and cut down on the repeating ... otherwise well done. Try a CarreraT .... THIS may be your sweet spot 🙂
Great stuff, Joel. Well done.
If you are not a Porschephile, the BMW M240i and M2 are well worth considering. Even the M240i offers very similar sub-4s 0-60 straight-line performance to the base Carrera/C4 for half the money. Not quite as accomplished overall. Won't hold value as well, as a percentage, but you won't lose as much money. And it's more practical. If you're a family person, look no further than an M3 Touring. For the price of the Turbo S, you can get a base Carerra and an M3 Touring, or a fully-loaded Cayman/Boxster GTS 4.0 manual and a full-loaded M3 Touring.
Joel you stepped up the standards with excellent production including the beautiful scenery, well done and keep up this superb production. In summary watching your contents on the 911 base V 911 turbo, power corrupts. I get your point this car is excess to requirements. I drive a base Cayman and after extended test drive of Cayman S I could barely justify buying the latter considering the value and the performance difference. Brilliant review.
I don't think people who can afford Turbo S is going to care, they would buy it just because they can. 😅 A case for Turbo S is that there are certain of us who likes speeds, just pure unadulterated speeds!
Love the Adventurine Green colour. Soon to be PTS only
Have you seen how many Porsche turbo S there are on the Porsche website for sale those are literally hundreds and hundreds of new turbo S for sale at a discount, but still not affordable
Yeah, people are not paying list for these
Where are they discounted? Not in US. Still paying over sticker for turbo s. Or at list. Older 992s are still over their original sticker.
Yep, 2 year wait in the US for a new one.
Having been lucky enough to won a few 911's over the years, I find it hard to get any emotional excitement out of the modern versions with turbo's. They just sound asthmatic - looks wise they are stunning in my eyes but I miss the mechanical flat 6 howl. Based on that, would an electric 911 be any different?. Just saying....
U can use both kinds of cruise.
And yes it has auto wipers
At 20:35; Why put the car in the potholes?
One avoid those with ANY car, especially when the wheels are so wide.
Any imperfection to a wheel on a car with performance like that one, is a big NO!
That Range Rover risky overtake. 😮😮
Yes, I share your point of view. A good chunk of power is good, too much (useless) power is pointless. I think the 992 Turbo S is a showcase of what Porsche can do. I wouldn’t be surprised if the most enjoyable 911 to drive is the new 992 Carrera T, with a manual gearbox. A friend of mine said : nowadays the upper limit of useful power on public roads is 400 PS, anything beyond is going to prove to be a waste. Still, the Turbo S remains a great car. The question is, is it worth the expense and the power !
Come along way from the Z4.
Well done.
Keep keeping on.
Luv and Peace.
Only just started the vid so interested to see what you say about it, but without a doubt the first car I’d buy if I won the lottery , hands down
To be brutally honest, any turbo s is a marvel of engineering. You can still buy a nice one for 90k and it is an insane drive
For a moment you sounded like Mat Watson when starting about your door pocket and a big water bottle. Never understood that. Of course having some water with you on your drive is nice, but drinking from a 1,5l bottle when driving is nearly impossible, so you have to stop anyway :D
Great review stunning scenery and the colour and interior are classy.
Excellent review Joel, thank you.
Nice review. The "Base" 911 is two-wheel drive where the Turbo S is all-wheel drive. All-wheel drive will give up some road feel. No offense, but has anyone ever suggested removing that mole under your left nostril? It's distracting.
Stunning spec, let’s be honest it’s the car you need to have in your life ❤❤❤
Without a doubt the ultimate supercar in every way... Legend of a car....
I’m really only interested in and have owned Porsche GT cars. These are fun weekend and track cars. Just get something else as a daily. Plenty of non Porsche options.
Bro, the people who fork over the cash on these don’t give a crap about gas mileage or speeding tickets!
Great review as always Joel. Love these road trip videos. Going on a road trip next year and I'm looking for an overnight stay in the Glencoe area. What were your thoughts on the Kingshouse Hotel
Your cinematic shots and editing has come so far!
I think most people if they had a money no object choice would go for a turbo S over a base model every time as would I. I owned a 2005 997 Carerra 2S for a few years and even that only came into its own after you had exceeded most speed limits so I think most people only go for these cars for the ownership experience and status symbol kudo's rather than an extreme driving experience. They are GT cars rather than sports cars. I get more driving enjoyment from my year 2000 Fiat Coupe 20VT or my 1991 BMW E30 325i but still owning a 911 is so special that it has to be experienced at least once in your lifetime.
Great video, Joel! I hope the Robin at 2:40 survived.
The one ding I’d put on this video is it was mostly all highway driving as you compared it to the 911 you drove which showed lots of twisties in your flashback clips. Otherwise great video.
A turbo s driven at 70mph on the highway for hundreds of miles will be not worth the $. I’d take a 911 base any day.
Now a turbo s where you have lots of turns, stops, on ramps, off ramps, and open space where you aren’t worrying about cops. Or where you like to easily pass cars.
I’d take turbo s hands down every day. It pulls 3sec 0-60s in the rain. Acceleration grip out of corners is unreal. The fun is 0-40. 40-80. 25-50. And back to a stop sign. Back to the fun again.
Sounds like a Tesla plaid is the right car for you
@@bwdrivesTesla plaid is electric. Crap interior, does not handle turns well, looks like crap, sounds like nothing, and brakes sucks.
Let’s be honest, a Land Rover passed Joel in a turbo s review video.
@@bwdrives Wrong, 992 Turbo does curves much, much better. Plaid, one trick pony. Turbo S is a master of all trades. Not even in the same ballpark.
20:33 quite sure Porsche apreciate the care you took of this 911 xD
Always look forward to your content.
Hi Joel,
Sorry, I'm a bit late to the party on this one! Firstly, thanks for the in-depth review of this stunning Turbo S. The cinematography of the video is top notch, especially the stunning introduction....well done!
I totally agree that , for the UK at least, this car is just too powerful & the driver will never be able to legally utilize more than 50% of that performance. Much better to go for a Carrera , Carrera S/4S or possibly a GTS if you must have more power. This alone will save £1000s, even more if you opt for a good condition, used vehicle.
The colour of this particular car is fantastic, but doesn't really come across that well on the video. I was lucky enough to see a similar Turbo S with a Sport Design Package in Aventurine Green on my last visit to the UK & the colour was the stand out feature.....if I ever have enough money to buy a 911, that is the colour I would want it to be!
Keep up the great work! 👍🔥👍
Hi Anthony... I am in two minds between buying a used carrera s/4s or just blow my savings on the beast... turbo s...
I need a car as a daily... I love doing long distance driving, weekends away and I want a car that is good in city driving and that can eat up motorway miles for breakfast also
My local porsche salesman says the carrera model is ideal for my needs
My sister says get the turbo s... It has all that horse power and is one of the top models in the range
Plus not many on the road
Compared to the carrera models on the road
Which car do you recommend for my needs??
Mate! That opening! Wicked!
Braw day in Glencoe there, can’t beat it! 😎
Great review. I have a 2004 Carerra which is a great car, and recently looked to upgrade to a 992 Carerra which I thought was just brilliant. I’ve always wondered whether a TurboS would really offer much benefit in normal driving.
Great detailed review!
Amazing intro Joel