Bethesda always reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from the Real Ghostbusters cartoon. "Come on. I'll show you where they find new ways to do stupid things.'
People did eventually get the canvas duffle bags, but it didn't look one-to-one to how it look in the ads. So Bethesda did technically keep their word, even if it was half assed.
I'm so glad someone said it in one of these reactions, whenever anyone talked about looking forward to Starfield or how good it would be my answer would always be "Do you not remember Fallout 76"
Well, ever since Oblivion, Bethesderp has been catering to ever wider audience, and only way to do that, is to dumb down your stuff, and attract stupid people. So basically, you're surprised, that the stupid new fans are stupid? I'm pretty certain, at least half of their modern audience would be incapable of understanding how to play Morrowind.
Something wild that just came to my brain. Bethesda started the "micro dlc" (mtx) trend with the "Horse Armor" DLC and some people at the time hated it and were warning that letting it stand would create a precedent which would lead to people having to piecemeal buy equipment in games. Some people mocked them as they meme'd and shitposted about horse armor, most people (myself included, though I cry being a teenager) just ignored them. Well look where we are *sigh*
If you wanna see the opposite (but similar) version of this then I suggest checking out The Internet Historian’s vid on No Man’s Sky, it’s called “The Engoodening of No Man’s Sky”
ooooh, i'm excited to watch your reaction to that! I wasn't there for the original drama, but i got it when it came to switch, which is when it had been engoodened.
10:09 To the best of my ability, and from what I can remember, I can explain it as this... The way Bethesda creates games, NPCs, containers, and other forms of "loot pools" often "reference" another entity in the game. For example, merchants will often have a "vendor chest" of sorts hidden out of bounds that the merchant's inventory can reference. I don't know if NPCs in any of their games actually reference the items in the containers of the dev room, but they must, or why would they keep it in the game? It makes more sense to remove that "cell" from the world entirely. So, my best guess, is that the loot pools of various enemies in the world directly reference the various containers and items in the dev room. In a single player experience, this poses no issues for anyone. I believe this is part of the reason why their engine just isn't a good fit for an online game. I feel like another developer would've hidden all the reference IDs of items and loot on the server side of activity, not in a physical location within a typical inaccessible world space. I really don't know why they insisted on using their engine for the Fallout "MMO" of sorts. They were at least smart enough to hand Elder Scrolls Online off to Zenimax, and didn't force them to use the shit-ass Bethesda engine. Imagine if they had been smart enough to hand this off to... idk... an actual developer that's familiar with developing online shooters.
I can answer one of those inquiries. They've been working on the "Creation" engine since 2002. Making a new engine to support an MMO was out of the cards from day 0.
@@ectothermic yeah the Torque engine which they used to make the first version of Creation engine for Morrowind was a very short lived precursor to dev kit engines like Unity and Unreal and like you said was never made for MP
oddly enough Skyrim has a Dev room and a corpse room - a work around for an engine level issue that could crash the game every time a body is deleted that had still inventory when there was active NPC or the player around - so they teleport all corpses to said room so they can safe despawn after a set time. they also had "hidden merchant" chests in which local merchants keep their stores inventory. the most well known is the whiterun khajit caravan one due to the bug of its collision box pokes out of the ground in which it was "buried" under so players can just go up and open it and take the whole caravan stock XD
29:33 this is a fallout joke and a quote people love from the game. while it has nothing to do with the rum players love this meme and would get a laugh if they saw it.
Oh boy, this was a hot mess to witness in real time XD I also wanna say that this was only the tip of the iceberg. I think enough terrible stuff happened that Internet Historian could've made another two videos like this. Here's just the top four in no particular order, with an honourable mention: 1. At one point players were just capable of loading in entire Fallout 4 assets that were still in the game files, including, and I shit you not, the ENTIRE Prydwen blimp that served as the base of the Brotherhood of Steel 2. There was a point where the game was so unprotected that people were just capable of swiping the entire inventories of other players at the click of a button. And I'm pretty sure that also included stealing their Pip-Boy, locking them out of their menus, though my memory on that front's a little hazy. 3. Fallout First. This was SO terrible that Bethesda didn't even secure the website domain name, so someone managed to buy it out from under them for a while and turned the site into a relentless, savage parody of Fallout First's advertising campaign. 4. There were a number of discoveries of content that was meant to be included in the base game, like fridges and I think even camp stuff related to robots, but were cut out of the base game to be sold as "micro"transactions. Honourable mention: I call this an honourable mention because this one, for once, had nothing to do with Bethesda. Gamestop tried to release their own Nuka-Cola Power Armour helmet merchandise, and it was discovered that these helmets were growing dangerous levels of mould, making them serious health hazards. Naturally, this led people to speculate that the Power Armour Edition helmets had the same problem, but no evidence ever surfaced to back those claims up
@@camellia_vt I got a 14-day free pass from my friend for Xbox gamepass and spent about 100+ hours on it, and I still feel like I didn''t get my money's worth
27:50 to answer your question it’s because people were stupid and still blinded by nostalgia glasses. I literally called everything that happened in Starfield and I knew exactly the kind of game it was going to be. I told people Bethesda doesn’t make good games anymore they make mid games at best, which modders make better. I pointed out how the last good game they came out with was Skyrim over a decade ago. And when I told them fallout four was really mid. They tried to cope by saying it one game of the year, conveniently forgetting that fallout four was also the only big title that even released that year.😂 it literally won by default. But yeah, point is to me and everyone else who is paying attention Starfield was not a surprise… it was an expectation
I say this every time someone reacts to this but they don't make games anymore, hardly, they make modding platforms. The value is in the mods, the games themselves are so milquetoast it's hard to say much about anything but the sandbox you're in. Skyrim was barely a game itself. It started with Oblivion to be honest, imo.
The worst part is that even some of the people who were bitten by 76 and Starfield are going to buy TES6 and get bitten again. I learned my lesson after playing Fallout 4 for maybe 150 hours and realizing it was just as poorly written as Fallout 3, if not more so.
Its was made even worse by the clearly bribed games awards. how the hell did Starfield win the "most innovative game of the year" award when the only new thing they added was the ship building lego style system? Everything else was a cut down and crapper version of mechanics seen in games from the skyrim phase XD
@@mercurioslevin1877 Hey, I won $50 on that game winning! I was like "Oh Bethany's gonna do a silly!" and THEY DID! I was so happy. Game awards mean literally nothing but for me they meant $50. I did not expect it to win the literal opposite of what Starfield is though..
now you would think so but since Bethesda did not want to actually build a new engine with MP in mind they just forced the very old creation engine to use instanced worlds with each world was capped at 15 players and every time you logged in it would send you to another instance meaning unless you added someone to your friends there was a high chance of never meeting that player again which made the random crashes and disconnections when in a party much more annoy. Unless they finally changed it now but at release and up to the wastelander update when I was playing that is how the system worked.
@@OfficerHotpants too true. Granted I'm not the type to throw money at women, men, or Vtubers in any context, but even watching vods feels like a better investment of time than playing a bethesda game. And that is a damning indictment of the company.
while i'm not one of them, I belive one of the reasons people were looking forward to starfield, despite all the evidence to the contrary, was that, even though fallout 4 wasn't all that great and 76 was a shit show, bethesda does have a history of making great games. morrowind, oblivion, skyrim, fo3; they can make good games if they want to and starfield was a game they've been developing for years, even since before skyrim, which some might argue was their last great game. people just wanted to assume that all those years of development weren't just for nothing, no matter how much our better judgmenet told us it wasn't gonna be.
When your player base is begging you to stop creating new things on the creation engine just re-release fallout three or new Vegas with modern day graphics. You know you fucked up😂
I really don't care about graphics, that "shitty" style is why alot of people love bethesda games, just make games on a games engine that isnt significantly worse than the source engine... the engine that both half life games and portal games were made on AND TITANFALL 2
Fallout 76 can be described as Bethesda’s antics with the Fallout IP finally bite them in the ass. The technical issues, mess of customer service, and scummy pricing, they just play hogwild with the established lore in the series, something many people don’t notice and that I myself just didn’t give credence to until much later.
And the worst part? They fixed the game over the course of five years, and desided to do this again in their new game. I don't care if 76 is good now. Goodwill and hope has completely dried out.
@@jonathancunningham8739they keep doing this over and over. I do not trust this company to make good games anymore. Announcements of their games don't get me excited anymore because the trust and optimism is gone.
"after this shit show why did anyone have hopes" i've been asking that since oblivion. they said they had turing test passing ai npcs... they didn't even have microphone support. i'm astonished that they bought into skyrim. but they did, and they keep letting bethesda keep getting away with this. "haha 20 extra bucks" rememebr these are the ones who invented microtransactions in oblivion with horse armor.
I- do not remember all this. But, I do understand the sentiment- as a D&D player. Yet another hit to the fan. If you want to know more: One Shot Quester's Dungeons and Dragons this past year
There was a decent number of people who were not that big of fans of Bethesda and kind of already understood what they were all about 76 opened the eyes of a lot of people to how Bethesda operates. Despite all of the horrible things that they do that you witness in this video there’s still more that they did they also I still have many loyal fans that happily worship them for any and all things that they do ignoring all of the bad. A large majority of the community knew that Starfield was going to be very bad Lots of people just don’t want to accept it
A larger map size is great since you can give it more content or a wider range of possibly unique environments, but you have to be able to balance it with the content it contains. By that i mean you have to keep players engaged and give them a reason to explore it willingly. I think people said that was one of the problems with fallout 4 was people got bored and didnt fully explore the whole map, which means they could miss enjoyable quests or events.
I remember when the game first came out, I played a whole week straight with my friends. However I stopped playing the game when it crashed, and somehow caused my entire inventory and stash to delete. The game had massively improved now, I will admit.
Funny story about the Starfield bit, I tweeted about the game looks 'boring af' after the first big gameplay showcase (timeframe wise; around a year before release) Look how that turned out ( ͡• ͜ʖ ͡• )
the reason why all bethesda games have a dev room is there game engine. the moment all instances of an item are gone it forgets about the existence, so every time in every variant has to be stored in that room so it can retrieve the data about it as needed and yes its as stupid as it sounds because no other engine in the world has this limitation.
@@Revkor Yes but even old engine have methods of long term storing data for example in temporary files and retrieve missing data from there as needed. its specifically just the bethesda engine that uses the worst possible approach to this problem.
Its crazy how even after all the hate and backlash they continue fking up lol. They've been updating almost 10+ year old games, breaking them, breaking mods and requiring the community to make downgrade patches that don't even fully fix the new issues. Happy i stopped buying Bethesda games after zenimax made their other meh / buggy mmo that hasn't stopped getting new dlc that almost never get more good reviews than bad. Plus 40 dollars every few months for a bunch of stuff that looks like it's either reused mod assets or ai generated art aint it chief.
The game has gotten a great deal better, yes. The worst of the bugs were fixed over a few years (Bethesda never does anything quickly) and it has received many free expansions. It is still more than a little pay to win with its battlepass style stuff providing massive advancement boosts. From what I've seen via YT videos and such, the community (in particular the high level veteran community) are extremely helpful to new and low level players.
Fallout: New Vegas Game of the year edition, which includes all of the DLC, cost's less than some cosmetic items in the atom shop. Some of which are reused assets from previous fallout games. Edit: Even worse. Fallout New Vegas, Fallout 3, Fallout 4, and Skyrim all have decently functional co-op mods that allow people to play together, and The Elder Scrolls Online figured out most of the kinks like around a decade prior to the release of Fallout 76. How any of this was possible is 1000% beyond me.
1) I thought the chest googly eyes were funny 2) I still wonder how Bethesda stays in business even with the whole Microsoft buying them. On the plus side, big props on the part the studio that published one of my new favorite games: Hi Fi Rush!
I've watched like 6 reactions to this video and you're the only one to notice those reviews were from Fallout 4. I'm fairly certain the reason they did that was because by the time Fallout 76 was announced Fallout 4 wasn't a complete mess and people actually enjoyed it so the reviews were just for fun because they're characters from Fallout 4 reviewing the rum in character. Example one review is from Piper saying "Smooth tasting. Blue and I enjoy this before earning our lover's embrace perk. Now, Now, don't start something you can't finish!". The first review the video shows is from Strong saying how drinking makes humans stupid and weak. I doubt these were meant to be taken serious and were for Fallout 4 fans to enjoy because they were expecting the Fallout fans to buy Fallout 76.
The fact so many went crawling back to Bethesda and Fallout 76 isn't a dead game really ticks me off on so many levels. Bethesda viewed it's fans are dumb. Easily manipulated, and honestly after seeing how forgiving it's fanbase was POST SCAM, It sickens me. Fallout 76 should be dead. Bethesda's attempts to farther monetize Skyrim and Fallout 4 should have also convinced people to leave those games as well. Bethesda game players are way too forgiving and I hate it. I uninstalled Skyrim SE/SA and went back to Oldyrim out of protest for example, I don't even want me adding +1 to the player count for that game anymore, so I uninstalled it. I went back to Fallout 3/NV with Tale of Two Wastelands which I consider the definitive 3D Fallout experience and uninstalled Fallout 4 as well. Similar to how I uninstalled GTAV because Rockstar has also ticked me off, and I brought back GTAIV and SA when I get that GTA itch. Games I think need more integrity and sadly not enough gamers have integrity. They view it like No Man's Sky. When it's nothing like No Man's Sky. Everything and I mean everything about Fallout 76 was a scam and how they handled it was even worse. No Man's Sky was just a indie dev making too many promises and not being able to deliver but in the end delivered, still scummy but not on the same level as Bethesda and Fallout 76. There were not Special Edition Scams, Merch Scams, among so many others revolving around 76 when it came to No Man's Skies.
27:36 As a schmuck who bought the upgrade package to play Starfield early, I think it was my love of space games and Bethesda nostalgia that blinded me.
LOOOL she was hoping they would get the bags, but kinda gave up on Bethesda. Then they dox the ones asking for their bags lmao! You mentioned something about "not caring for someone unless you heop them groe as a company" You would think yor paying customer, especially the merch buying ones, ARE exactly that.
Fallout 3 Fallout, New Vegas and fallout 4 are great games ignore what the others say the fandom is very divided and defensive honesty as a normal and neutral Fallout and Elder Scrolls fan if you do not like 3 new Vegas 4 or Skyrim then be it but try them at least don't let others tell you how good they are. Now Bethesda is on Damage control Elder Scrolls will be great as well as Fallout 5 it is what comes after that I am slightly worried about.
It's funny to see facial expressions when someone is eating on the stream. Adorable even. Now I'm hungry! 32:31 - 1000% agree. This is a lack of respect for our time. Making the game unfairly prolonged. Such a thing can probably only be liked by those who like to be beaten and humiliated.
From what I have played, haven't all Fallout and The Elder Scrolls games been released as broken pieces of hot garbage, that the community ends up fixing for them with mods?
@@jonathancunningham8739 Let's be honest Skyrim still has bugs from 2011 and only gets updates when the Creation Club has new things to roll in, Fallout 4 is the same. The only reason 76 got updated at all is because it's an MMO, it cost a ton to make, and the class action lawsuits were coming in hot. They were doing everything in their power to get away with all the scummy things they did. I refuse to praise Bethesda for doing the bare minimum, but that's just me. I'm just not that kind of consumer.
@@ectothermic Skyrim is not as broken as FNV though so your argument for bugs is flawed and yes what they did is scummy but Skyrim, Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 is not part of that scummy part.
@@jonathancunningham8739 Fallout New Vegas is as broken as it is because Bethesda pulled the rug under Obsidian at the last minute, causing them to have to rush the end of development so it came out broken, which was done on purpose by the way. They had a contract in which if the game didn't reach a certain Metacritic score (I believe it was 75) they wouldn't get paid some amount of money they'd agreed to which Obsidian NEEDEd because they were nearly bankrupt. Rushing and crunching the game into existence made it have JUST UNDER the required score so they didn't get paid that bonus they could've used. Educate yourself and grow up. Bethesda doesn't just scam its users they scam their contractors too. Just look at the attempted career destruction they tried with not just Mick Gordon but Chris Avellone, both of which have since stopped working with them, Avellone even won seven figures in a defamation suit. I don't know why you've taken it upon yourself to be Bethesda's lapdog but it's kinda sad. Also I didn't say Skyrim was broken, I said it still has bugs that haven't been fixed 13 years later. As a game it's extremely bland and only exists to be modded.
Hi Twitch, hi Camellia. I was disappointed in 76, but we still got 3, New Vegas, and 4 (I know people don't like 4 but its still a good game in my opinion)
@@camellia_vt Yeah, I caught a little of the beginning of the stream, I gotta watch the rest but overall, you should have a fun time at the least. Glad you're giving it a shot. 👍
Technically speaking the game IS better now, but that's not saying much. It's got less bugs (still has lots) but the gameplay loop, combat, lore, and activities are so dull it's not worth it anyway. It went from being miserably unplayable to mid and you can't mod it, so that's about 75% of the value of a Bethesda game gone. The community's a buncha pretentious dorks too. Edit: The thing is, these people don't care, they'll keep buying it, they'll keep playing these awful games and fueling the corporate greed. This company is openly malicious and hates their fanbase, but they keep making money. None of this matters.
12:55 & 27:31 Yeah. Some people can be fooled over and over again. But to be fair, some people like (I don't understand why) Fallout 4. I find it extremely boring and low quality looter shooter... it's not even an RPG (genres and categories are of course partly subjective).
Honestly, Bethesda as a company was one that made hit after hit for, jeez, a good 20 years or so? They are one of those companies that don't release a lot but up till that point I think the only game they made that was legitimately bad was Elder Scrolls Blades, which was an IOS game. *Also some clarification, there is Bethesda Game Studios which is the development side and Bethesda Softworks which is a publisher. Its all under the same parent company but I'm only talking about Bethesda Game Studios here.* That said, it had a side effect of getting a fan base that kind of sweeps the studio's problems under the rug. Like Fallout 4 is a good example, the box version is a buggy mess, writing isn't great, gunplay is horrible ect. Honestly, these are crippling issues imo but it's a great exploration game, which is why you buy from Bethesda and any problems like bugs or lack of content is just modded in by its community. So, Bethesda is kind of getting this rosy view that's to really an absurd amount of work their fans put into it. It was even totted as a lovable feature that their games had bugs that gave their games charming jank. Even Tody on stage made that joke talking about 76. It just so happened that 76 was so buggy it wasn't lovable anymore so the company kind of lost that shield of, oh the bugs are just quirky and I think that followed them to Starfield. Really to me, flaws are flaws. It may not be flaws that matter all that much but you shouldn't ignore that they are still flaws and that's what I think the community did. That's kind of why 76 was doomed to a bad launch. It's basically a Fallout 4 mod that the community isn't allowed to fix. Plus, it still had all the bugs from Fallout 4 (which was 3 years old at that point) and the new ones you just get trying to finagle a 7 year old engine not designed for multiplayer into an mmo format. Plus, they did weird decisions like there wasn't NPCs at launch. So, it's worst Fallout 4 with no characters but online and with no mods. Another thing they were trying to do was make paid mods a thing going all the way back to Skyrim. The idea was to monetize what was free, so they make some money off of games that people still play 7+ years later. Didn't really work on PC but you can see why the cash shop was the way it was. Seriously though, it is better now but it had a solid year of making every possible bad decision you could possibly make when making a game like this which kind of killed it. I mean it's laudable they fixed it over time, but their rep was devastated after all the drama with this game, and they didn't have a hit anime or a torrent of free DLC to bring back attention to the game like No Man Sky or Cyberpunk 2077 and I think the fallout of this still follows them.......Get it? Fallout?........I'll show myself out.
@@camellia_vt yep, ive actually tried getting it but lets just say even the menu ran at 3FPS so i refunded and have to wait till i have a better computer
Fallout 76 was Bethesda trying to make a Elder scrolls online but fallout, aka a MMO, the map needed to be bigger then Fallout 4's to fit being a MMO as Fallout 4's map was made with singleplayer in mind. Also its Bethesda who, while fixing 1 bug create 20 more...somehow, and using the creation Engine which they've used since The Elder scrolls 3 Morrowind...which was what 30 years ago? The Engine was never made for Multiplayer, Bethesda consistently have bugged riddled games that are only usually playable because the fans fix the games with mods. And what they do fix causes the game to break MORE. The whole idea of 76 was doomed from the start as Bethesda can't even properly fix their single player titles, why they thought they could make and maintain a Multiplayer version of one of their titles is beyond me. Tho I have seen some positively around 76 in recent time 76 just shouldn't have been made, atleast not made by Bethesda themselves.
Most Engines are old and just get upgraded, I think its more that they have no clue what they are doing. At least someone else got to make Elder scrolls online. Now I wonder if its any good
@@camellia_vt exactly, Bethesda dispite using this same engine for years still can't fix the same issues that come up in every title they make with it, it why anyone who found out they were using that same engine for 76 should've known it was gonna be bug ridden just like all their other games that use that engine. The upside to the engine was you could mod it but you cant do that with a always online game cause you'd be banned. One of the reasons Bethesda's games have been popular was because they allowed you to mod the game, much easier then other games, to the point that at this point they basically expect the community to fix their games for them. It doesn't help that apparently Bethesda doesn't do proper documentation when making their games which explains why some stuff feels so disconnected gameplay wise, it's hard to make a game be playable if not everyone even knows what's being done. The channel NakeyJakey has a video that explains it better, called "Bethesda's game design was outdated a decade ago". It kinda covers Starfield but it also covers a couple other Bethesda games.
@@knightofblackfyre7950 "point that at this point they basically expect the community to fix their games for them" This is exactly it, and making a game we can't mod means they have to fix it themselves which they won't.
speaking of fallout 4, yes there was a lot of disappointment when it came to story and worldbuilding, it did have some interesting mechanics that the superior new vegas didnt, like extensive weapon customization and settlement building. Sadly, these gimmicks were not enduring enough to stop me from returning to my mainstay games.
I don't know WHY Bethesda is able to fool us again and again 😅 I bought a whole damn Xbox Series X to play Starfield (actually got it years earlier tbf, I did want to finally play Forza Horizon 2-4, then FH5 and also it's a decent Xbox 360 🤣) and then paid for the AUD$170 Premium Edition (Digital, cause Xbox Physical games are not complete on Disc and haven't been for years now) and then I only ended up putting like 10 Hours in during the "3 Day Early Access" period I got with said version of the game before deleting it and never touching it since. Total bloody waste of money, I do technically get that Shattered Space DLC for "Free" (already paid for it technically) in September but I'm gonna be busy with other shit at this point... And I don't care. Plus basically everything out of Bethesda is coming either Day 1 or slightly later to PlayStation 5 and usually in a better state so I'll be picking up these games there anyway. I'd rather earn Trophies, all my friends and I have always been PlayStation first and foremost since the PS1, the Physical games are actually COMPLETE on the Disc if they do a Physical Release (because Sony uses 100GB UHD Blu-Rays) and if it isn't Day 1, like with Indiana Jones, it'll be patched up and running better when it comes a few months later 🤷♂️
Oh there wasn't just faith in 76, there was straight fanboy CULT activity. One of the reaction channels I'm subbed to did a live reaction to the event 76 was announced at and they said the project is gonna be a disaster on release. The comments were bombarded with a bunch of people calling them "No faith ***holes" and they should "Shut The **** Up." It was mind numbing.
Ppl keep watching a video 6 years old to hate on a game thats nothing like this now this is the thing about misinformation she even thinks fallout 4 is bad its crazy how casuals can be so influenced so easily
Not sure why but i had to find this video on my history to watch the rest of the video, it doesnt show up under my subscribe tab, im not sure if this a me problem or your channel problem so just wanted you to know.
The only fallout games worth playing in my opinion are fallout 1, fallout 2, fallout tactics, and new Vegas, the ones made by Bethesda are just….well….just meh they feel soulless and lack good stories
# was great 4 was good Tactics was not a Fallout game 4 was more of a Fallout game Tactics was well a Tactics game a good Tactics game but still one non the less.
The thing that makes people still want to buy Bethesda Games, one major factor, in my opinion, is their gameplay trailers. They're so well made, giving you enough information and hype about their games that many people keep forgetting their past troubles. Time will tell when Elder Scrolls 6 comes around, and I think if they screw that up too, it's the final straw to many fans.
It won't second Elder Scrolls 6 will be successful hand over fist they are on damage control Fallout % is what many are waiting for to see and honestly it is damage control time. Last why many but these games is adventure all of their games including 4 is a good time waster non of the stories are perfect not even FNV but there is an epicness to it it won't be empty it will succeed because they know that franchises Starfeild was different it was empty because they did not know how to make a space game that is open world.
Bethesda were famous for making a very buggy, but charming single player video games. People were forgiving due to it being a single player. The day fallout 4 came out and people started having doubts about the quality of writing of future games. And then 76 comes out though. Pitch-forks and torches were already lit. Making a game on an engine that is in fact older than an audience it was made for. The engine is known for its instability and bugs. And they literally dock taped a multiplayer to it without a proper quality assurance. Booooooy this was a shit show ready to be lit in a blaze of righteous flames.
All the games including FNV do not have perfect writing FNV has great writing 3 has wonderful writing and 4 has good writing those who said "Gasp Awful" are jsut jaded to the past starfeild is the red flag not 4.
This video encapsulates why I haven't gotten Fallout 76, will never say that it's "good now", and will never trust Bethesda again. The game issues were one thing, Bethesda has always had buggy games. It was the IRL stuff that was the straw that broke my back. They're not just bad developers, they're bad people. Also, people make the connection between 76 and No Man's Sky. Here's the thing: NMS was made by an indie dev team, like 12 people in a tiny (flooded) studio. Their mistakes are understandable. Bethesda is a AAA company, with a long history of games under their belt. We should not and cannot let them release a No Man's Sky, because they know better. If your cousin who's never done construction work agrees to help you build your deck and screws up, it's understandable. If the professional you hire screws up, that's on them.
76 is better though however I understand if you do not want to play it but it is better watch the countless re reviews after the tons of patches they released honesty aside from 76 First they aren't all bad people last I think you over reacted a bit.
no more early access! just give me what i paid for when its done, im tired of play-testing games that only ever gets half baked. They are not some poor indie studio ffs!
Starfield isn't even really as bad as people say it is. It's just... bland. There's not much substance to it, which is a shame, because I love the aesthetics and setting of Starfield. If Bethesda Game Studios still bothered with making good games, Starfield could have been an amazing game. There are good ideas there, they just weren't properly developed. As it is, Starfield gets quite boring and bland after a few hours. Maybe it'll improve over time, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone interested in a good RPG. Honestly, I have almost zero interest in TES VI now. Maybe Obsidian's Avowed will be an actually good western RPG. But then again, you just shouldn't trust large developers to make great games that work well nowadays.
bethesda have good games.... if you use mods on top of it and that's pretty sad, you know a game is a failure when you can only enjoy it after using mods
Actually this video is very out of date all the things mentioned in this video are completely changed now a completely different and better game now and almost every single thing mentioned in the video p is not true anymore I seriously don't know why the guy still has the video up he at least needs to update all the things he said in the video
Fo4 vanilla was terrible, and most people modded it and ignored the main story. Modded it to become more like The Sims. Then Far Harbor came out and we had hopes of decent writing. But that was the end of it. Nothing past that point was ever as good, and the same bugs at launch are STILL THERE. I played on an in modded version I bought from gog the other day and saw pretty much the same problems as on day one. I love the mods, and bits of the base game, and most of far harbor - but I just can't say Bethesda is a good company. Tbh I think they should have sold the IP but now the TV series is making bank, so I expect they will spew out fo5 asap and it will be awful, and they will pay shills to praise it and bots to harass anyone critical of it.
They really should sell the IP, right now which the show popping off is the perfect time. But you are right they will make a half ass game and hope modders will make it good
@@camellia_vt Even the show is not that good, the visuals are good, but the characthers are idiots and the story is a bad copy from things already made and they making things worse destroying the lore of Fallout 2 and New Vegas, NCR should have fallen by their own weight and corruption, not by some dumbass from Vault Tec that somehow was able to get a nuke
@@SteelSpurs sorry, the fact that New Vegas doesn't allow you to play after the main story line it's a disgrace for me. The game might be decent, but all the choices FNV fanboys always brag about are irrelevant if you can't play through the consequences of it. Fallout 3 was like that too but Bethesda fixed it with a DLC, they never bothered with NV, which imo makes 3 and NV equivalent, even if NV have more content in it.
@@ShiningLight I’ll give you that, but I’d rather have a game end and not overstay its welcome than keep playing through a game that’s arguably less interesting.
@@ShiningLightI think the lack of a postgame is more on the short development time obsidian had. I would argue the choices and actions in Fallout 4 seem to have less consequences. Clearing a location or saving a settlement, both will have raiders again in a week. Don’t want to work with the minutemen, have to for main quest. Join the Nuka Raiders, everyone is a little mad but will still help you out. These things could be fixed with mods. Like how there is a mod for a New Vegas post game called Functional Post Game Ending. Tada.
Would argue my faith in Bethesda died with Skyrim. I patched the bugs out of it and it still bugged out, including the game breaking end boss bug that made it invincible the moment I loaded a quick save. I could never finish Skyrim, and I was legit at the end boss. It's F-ed, and so are Betheda's games. I'm surprised any one gives them the time of day any more. The last good games they made were Oblivion, and ESO. And arguably ESO is another company inside of the company, much like ID when they make DOOM games.
Skyrim is my only Bethesda game. My very first run was stopped by a game breaking bug that did not allow me to open the elder scroll. I had to start a new run. Overall I had a blast (had also the opportunity to make a better build and do more stuff) but I will never forget the feeling. The game is buggy so I wasn't even surprised, just amazed and disappointed
@@jonathancunningham8739 Please use punctuation, there is a reason why it exists. That experience was pathetic, but it doesn't matter because I love Skyrim. It is indeed a great game. That being said it is undeniable that it's full of bugs. There is no reason why my System would bug the game. Maybe it was, as you say, a problem with the copy, however unlikely I think that is. I don't think my view of the game is that negative, especially because even though I had that experience I still continued to play the game for a long time
All of this is not relevant anymore the game is so different these days the game has improved so very much and it's way better then it used to be now the game is actually really good and I know this cuz I've been playing it since the beta and now I would highly recommend it to anybody
"If it had been released as an early access..." Oh dear Camellia, they did try that card. They really did try it, after a few weeks or a month or so, after the compleate dumpster fire the launch where. They first did full release, where EVERYTHING was broken. They even had a 3 days preorder earlyaccess, wich was open to play as soon you got your game code. (mine arrived a week before full release, and could play instantly after install.) Then after every one was trowing an complete shit feast towards Bethesda, they whent "Oh but, eh.. you see...Hehe.. eh, It's early access, not full release." Absolutely no one fell for it. The release of FO 76 was hands down the worst bethesta release ever, and that on it's own should say a LOT. Then the game sucked for like 3 years. But they have turned it around realy well. The game is rather fun to play, and they have fixed most of the issiues. The only four things they really need to do now is. 1. Get rid of the micro transaction shop. 2. Get rid of the fallout one subscription. 3. Open up private worlds to every one as they said it would be before release. 4. Give every one access to unlimited staches. They claimed they could not make them due to some bullshit, but obviously fixed it as it's now are locked behind a subcription fee. ---------------------------------------------- Just remembered a tiny thing. About 1-3 months before the announcement of FO76, bethesda forced a multiplayer mod for fallout 4, that allmost where done to be completely deleted by the modders. Aparently the mod was bacicly a new world, new storry and everything. Bethesta sent them a cese and de siste order treathening to sue them. Then a few months later Fallout 76 where announced and shortly there after released. Even during E3 you could see it was rushed, and the release where showing clear signs that bethesda most likely (Probably with a 90% probability) did not work on a Fallout multiplayer game at all, untill they saw this mod. And then all of a suddenr went in to full greed mode. Took one of their less experience studios and made them make a full new FO game but build it around multiplayer. Its obvious that the game where rushed to all hell, and the release showed the game needed years extra in the owen. Now about 6 years later, the game is where it should had been on release.
Bethesda always reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from the Real Ghostbusters cartoon. "Come on. I'll show you where they find new ways to do stupid things.'
Is the quote referring to government?
@@loonylenny Nope, it was Janine talking about the Ghostbusters.
"I blame myself."
"I blame you too."
@CruelestChris No, its:
"I blame myself."
"So do I."
I was born the day the movie came out. I have it God damn memorized.
25:45 I mean, they weren't lying, the rum was up to the "fallout standard"
edit: ok, how tf did I get 100 likes from this??
XD
I didn't see it glitch through the floor or launch into space, so it wasn't up to Bethesda standards.
No, the bobby pins didn't weigh too much... If we assume they were made of lead.
XD
Considering how quickly they break… they might be.
People did eventually get the canvas duffle bags, but it didn't look one-to-one to how it look in the ads. So Bethesda did technically keep their word, even if it was half assed.
I'm so glad someone said it in one of these reactions, whenever anyone talked about looking forward to Starfield or how good it would be my answer would always be "Do you not remember Fallout 76"
Exactly. And I truly think they don’t. Before watching this video I never knew how bad the launch was
Well, ever since Oblivion, Bethesderp has been catering to ever wider audience, and only way to do that, is to dumb down your stuff, and attract stupid people. So basically, you're surprised, that the stupid new fans are stupid?
I'm pretty certain, at least half of their modern audience would be incapable of understanding how to play Morrowind.
Something wild that just came to my brain. Bethesda started the "micro dlc" (mtx) trend with the "Horse Armor" DLC and some people at the time hated it and were warning that letting it stand would create a precedent which would lead to people having to piecemeal buy equipment in games. Some people mocked them as they meme'd and shitposted about horse armor, most people (myself included, though I cry being a teenager) just ignored them.
Well look where we are *sigh*
I wish we would just get rid of this micro dlc and just do real dlc
Youze' all mocked us, youze' all mocked us but who'ze crazy now!
@@camellia_vt Pretty much how I live my life now, don't touch mtx anymore xD
We mocked it for it being an overpriced skin.
"they called me a madman...."
If you wanna see the opposite (but similar) version of this then I suggest checking out The Internet Historian’s vid on No Man’s Sky, it’s called “The Engoodening of No Man’s Sky”
I’ll check that out next. Thank you
FYI be sure to watch to the very end, it’s streamer tradition for this vid.
@@camellia_vt mountain dew it
ooooh, i'm excited to watch your reaction to that! I wasn't there for the original drama, but i got it when it came to switch, which is when it had been engoodened.
"Skyrim is old" How dare you remind me of this fact....
It’s a lot older then I remember it being
Internet Historian didn't do Starfield, but there's a fun one by SsethTzeentach.
Is it as good as the Dwarf fortress Sseth?
@@KeytarArgonian _Nothing_ is as good as that one. It's pretty good, though.
I would highly recommend NakeyJakey's video.
Anything tainted by SBI deserves to be ridiculed.
10:09
To the best of my ability, and from what I can remember, I can explain it as this...
The way Bethesda creates games, NPCs, containers, and other forms of "loot pools" often "reference" another entity in the game. For example, merchants will often have a "vendor chest" of sorts hidden out of bounds that the merchant's inventory can reference. I don't know if NPCs in any of their games actually reference the items in the containers of the dev room, but they must, or why would they keep it in the game? It makes more sense to remove that "cell" from the world entirely. So, my best guess, is that the loot pools of various enemies in the world directly reference the various containers and items in the dev room.
In a single player experience, this poses no issues for anyone. I believe this is part of the reason why their engine just isn't a good fit for an online game. I feel like another developer would've hidden all the reference IDs of items and loot on the server side of activity, not in a physical location within a typical inaccessible world space. I really don't know why they insisted on using their engine for the Fallout "MMO" of sorts. They were at least smart enough to hand Elder Scrolls Online off to Zenimax, and didn't force them to use the shit-ass Bethesda engine. Imagine if they had been smart enough to hand this off to... idk... an actual developer that's familiar with developing online shooters.
I can answer one of those inquiries.
They've been working on the "Creation" engine since 2002.
Making a new engine to support an MMO was out of the cards from day 0.
@@ectothermic yeah the Torque engine which they used to make the first version of Creation engine for Morrowind was a very short lived precursor to dev kit engines like Unity and Unreal and like you said was never made for MP
oddly enough Skyrim has a Dev room and a corpse room - a work around for an engine level issue that could crash the game every time a body is deleted that had still inventory when there was active NPC or the player around - so they teleport all corpses to said room so they can safe despawn after a set time. they also had "hidden merchant" chests in which local merchants keep their stores inventory. the most well known is the whiterun khajit caravan one due to the bug of its collision box pokes out of the ground in which it was "buried" under so players can just go up and open it and take the whole caravan stock XD
16:43
Fun fact: Several of these characters are from the From Dusk Till Dawn video game
Fun fact: There is a From Dusk Till Dawn video game
29:33 this is a fallout joke and a quote people love from the game. while it has nothing to do with the rum players love this meme and would get a laugh if they saw it.
"if it came out as early access"
it litterally did.
Bethesda... Bethesda never changes.
Engines.
No they changed. They changed for the worse, but still.
@@Hazerithious Bethesda… has changed
@@ALJ9000 No they haven't their games are terrible at release then slowly become great then the late players then enjoys them rinse and repeat.
@@jonathancunningham8739 It’s a Solid Snake joke dude
Oh boy, this was a hot mess to witness in real time XD I also wanna say that this was only the tip of the iceberg. I think enough terrible stuff happened that Internet Historian could've made another two videos like this. Here's just the top four in no particular order, with an honourable mention:
1. At one point players were just capable of loading in entire Fallout 4 assets that were still in the game files, including, and I shit you not, the ENTIRE Prydwen blimp that served as the base of the Brotherhood of Steel
2. There was a point where the game was so unprotected that people were just capable of swiping the entire inventories of other players at the click of a button. And I'm pretty sure that also included stealing their Pip-Boy, locking them out of their menus, though my memory on that front's a little hazy.
3. Fallout First. This was SO terrible that Bethesda didn't even secure the website domain name, so someone managed to buy it out from under them for a while and turned the site into a relentless, savage parody of Fallout First's advertising campaign.
4. There were a number of discoveries of content that was meant to be included in the base game, like fridges and I think even camp stuff related to robots, but were cut out of the base game to be sold as "micro"transactions.
Honourable mention: I call this an honourable mention because this one, for once, had nothing to do with Bethesda. Gamestop tried to release their own Nuka-Cola Power Armour helmet merchandise, and it was discovered that these helmets were growing dangerous levels of mould, making them serious health hazards. Naturally, this led people to speculate that the Power Armour Edition helmets had the same problem, but no evidence ever surfaced to back those claims up
I still have the pictures of the Fallout First parody page saved on my comp xD
*mwah* moment of beauty
@@Force2reckonVods Those really need to be circulated more ^^
28:03 people forget that skyrim was broken to shit when it came out as well LOL
31:05 You maybe haven't noticed but this isn't a bottle. It's a lamp
I think it's safe to assume, that anyone who can make a bottle-shaped lamp, also have the technical ability to make a bottle-shaped bottle.
Well this is the reason no one I know pre-ordered starfield, and i don't think anyone bought it either.
it's free on gamepass. So I hope no one paid money for it
@@camellia_vt I got a 14-day free pass from my friend for Xbox gamepass and spent about 100+ hours on it, and I still feel like I didn''t get my money's worth
No many paid for it and it is not as bad as many say however it is rather bland most times unless you like building.
27:50 to answer your question it’s because people were stupid and still blinded by nostalgia glasses. I literally called everything that happened in Starfield and I knew exactly the kind of game it was going to be. I told people Bethesda doesn’t make good games anymore they make mid games at best, which modders make better.
I pointed out how the last good game they came out with was Skyrim over a decade ago. And when I told them fallout four was really mid. They tried to cope by saying it one game of the year, conveniently forgetting that fallout four was also the only big title that even released that year.😂 it literally won by default.
But yeah, point is to me and everyone else who is paying attention Starfield was not a surprise… it was an expectation
I say this every time someone reacts to this but they don't make games anymore, hardly, they make modding platforms.
The value is in the mods, the games themselves are so milquetoast it's hard to say much about anything but the sandbox you're in.
Skyrim was barely a game itself. It started with Oblivion to be honest, imo.
The worst part is that even some of the people who were bitten by 76 and Starfield are going to buy TES6 and get bitten again. I learned my lesson after playing Fallout 4 for maybe 150 hours and realizing it was just as poorly written as Fallout 3, if not more so.
If someone tell me a game is only good with mods, instant red flag.
Its was made even worse by the clearly bribed games awards. how the hell did Starfield win the "most innovative game of the year" award when the only new thing they added was the ship building lego style system? Everything else was a cut down and crapper version of mechanics seen in games from the skyrim phase XD
@@mercurioslevin1877 Hey, I won $50 on that game winning! I was like "Oh Bethany's gonna do a silly!" and THEY DID! I was so happy.
Game awards mean literally nothing but for me they meant $50. I did not expect it to win the literal opposite of what Starfield is though..
I mean they kinda have to make the map bigger than fall out 4, because fall out 4 is a single player game and 76 is a MMO.
now you would think so but since Bethesda did not want to actually build a new engine with MP in mind they just forced the very old creation engine to use instanced worlds with each world was capped at 15 players and every time you logged in it would send you to another instance meaning unless you added someone to your friends there was a high chance of never meeting that player again which made the random crashes and disconnections when in a party much more annoy. Unless they finally changed it now but at release and up to the wastelander update when I was playing that is how the system worked.
29:12 I hate the unintentional irony that the plastic bottle looks more fake than the fake glass bottle
In glad you m got so into this I hope there will be more internet historian reactions. Also, great model design
Yes!!! I really loved the video I can't wait to check out more of the internet historian. Do you have any videos you would recommend?
@@camellia_vt The Cost Of Concordia is a great one.
@@camellia_vt I agree on the Costa Concordia one or the Fancy series
@@theevokeruser2356 I watched it, just gotta edit it. It was so interesting
Fallout 76 has made a change for the better and I haven’t ran into any bugs
It's genuinely hilarious and tragic that superchatting a Vtuber has better return on investment than paying Bethesda ANYTHING.
_At least_ there's the satisfaction of supporting someone you actually like.
@@OfficerHotpants too true. Granted I'm not the type to throw money at women, men, or Vtubers in any context, but even watching vods feels like a better investment of time than playing a bethesda game.
And that is a damning indictment of the company.
i think skyrim was the last thing they made that worked on launch
I would not be surprised
Fallout 4 worked as launch as well.
while i'm not one of them, I belive one of the reasons people were looking forward to starfield, despite all the evidence to the contrary, was that, even though fallout 4 wasn't all that great and 76 was a shit show, bethesda does have a history of making great games. morrowind, oblivion, skyrim, fo3; they can make good games if they want to and starfield was a game they've been developing for years, even since before skyrim, which some might argue was their last great game. people just wanted to assume that all those years of development weren't just for nothing, no matter how much our better judgmenet told us it wasn't gonna be.
That’s kinda what twitch chat said
They improved 76. I still jump in and play it with the boys from time to time
When your player base is begging you to stop creating new things on the creation engine just re-release fallout three or new Vegas with modern day graphics. You know you fucked up😂
I really don't care about graphics, that "shitty" style is why alot of people love bethesda games, just make games on a games engine that isnt significantly worse than the source engine... the engine that both half life games and portal games were made on AND TITANFALL 2
Fallout 76 can be described as Bethesda’s antics with the Fallout IP finally bite them in the ass. The technical issues, mess of customer service, and scummy pricing, they just play hogwild with the established lore in the series, something many people don’t notice and that I myself just didn’t give credence to until much later.
Fun video Camellia. Love the model as well. 😊❤
And the worst part? They fixed the game over the course of five years, and desided to do this again in their new game. I don't care if 76 is good now. Goodwill and hope has completely dried out.
@@marquisepixley684 Found the sad corperate slave lol
Whoa your negative you don't like 76 fine but goodwill drying up dude move on.
You are wrong
@@marquisepixley684 If you are talking about me then no I am right if you mean J.P 1981 then yes agreed.
@@jonathancunningham8739they keep doing this over and over. I do not trust this company to make good games anymore. Announcements of their games don't get me excited anymore because the trust and optimism is gone.
"after this shit show why did anyone have hopes"
i've been asking that since oblivion. they said they had turing test passing ai npcs... they didn't even have microphone support.
i'm astonished that they bought into skyrim. but they did, and they keep letting bethesda keep getting away with this.
"haha 20 extra bucks"
rememebr these are the ones who invented microtransactions in oblivion with horse armor.
21:56 we live in a society moment
yep, I just want to be a silly anime girl on the internet.
Fallout 76 is actually a lot better now lot's of improvements since its release back In 2018
I got back into it a few days ago and hadn't played since release. I was really surprised on how much better it became over time
I- do not remember all this. But, I do understand the sentiment- as a D&D player. Yet another hit to the fan.
If you want to know more: One Shot Quester's Dungeons and Dragons this past year
There was a decent number of people who were not that big of fans of Bethesda and kind of already understood what they were all about 76 opened the eyes of a lot of people to how Bethesda operates.
Despite all of the horrible things that they do that you witness in this video there’s still more that they did they also I still have many loyal fans that happily worship them for any and all things that they do ignoring all of the bad.
A large majority of the community knew that Starfield was going to be very bad Lots of people just don’t want to accept it
If you're looking for something on Starfield, Razorfist has been doing a few videos on them over the past few years.
A larger map size is great since you can give it more content or a wider range of possibly unique environments, but you have to be able to balance it with the content it contains. By that i mean you have to keep players engaged and give them a reason to explore it willingly. I think people said that was one of the problems with fallout 4 was people got bored and didnt fully explore the whole map, which means they could miss enjoyable quests or events.
I remember when the game first came out, I played a whole week straight with my friends. However I stopped playing the game when it crashed, and somehow caused my entire inventory and stash to delete.
The game had massively improved now, I will admit.
Funny story about the Starfield bit, I tweeted about the game looks 'boring af' after the first big gameplay showcase (timeframe wise; around a year before release)
Look how that turned out ( ͡• ͜ʖ ͡• )
I don’t know why people were disappointed. I got exactly what I was expecting. A Bethesda RPG, slow, clunky, ugly, and antiquated gameplay.
the reason why all bethesda games have a dev room is there game engine. the moment all instances of an item are gone it forgets about the existence, so every time in every variant has to be stored in that room so it can retrieve the data about it as needed and yes its as stupid as it sounds because no other engine in the world has this limitation.
well its and OOOOLLLLDDDD engine
@@Revkor Yes but even old engine have methods of long term storing data for example in temporary files and retrieve missing data from there as needed. its specifically just the bethesda engine that uses the worst possible approach to this problem.
"how did anyone think starfield would be good after this?" oh, i knew it would be a shit show. bethesda is a shadow of it's former self.
You are wrong
RIP Bethesda, we always have Oblivion
@@camellia_vt And Skyrim come on whoa so negative everything aside form some of 76 and Starfield are good.
Its crazy how even after all the hate and backlash they continue fking up lol. They've been updating almost 10+ year old games, breaking them, breaking mods and requiring the community to make downgrade patches that don't even fully fix the new issues. Happy i stopped buying Bethesda games after zenimax made their other meh / buggy mmo that hasn't stopped getting new dlc that almost never get more good reviews than bad.
Plus 40 dollars every few months for a bunch of stuff that looks like it's either reused mod assets or ai generated art aint it chief.
For Starfield you should check Ssethtzeentach's take, that's a bit more spicy but it's quality.
I would say "check Ssethtzeentach" is just general life advice, really.
Buckle up it's gonna be wild
Damn, VTuber models be getting better and better. Nice reaction!
thank you, I made my model myself
they never got the bag
The game has gotten a great deal better, yes. The worst of the bugs were fixed over a few years (Bethesda never does anything quickly) and it has received many free expansions. It is still more than a little pay to win with its battlepass style stuff providing massive advancement boosts.
From what I've seen via YT videos and such, the community (in particular the high level veteran community) are extremely helpful to new and low level players.
Man, this game's going to be SO GOOD when they release the next gen patch for it 25 years from now (wiping all accounts in the process, of course).
Fallout: New Vegas Game of the year edition, which includes all of the DLC, cost's less than some cosmetic items in the atom shop. Some of which are reused assets from previous fallout games.
Edit: Even worse. Fallout New Vegas, Fallout 3, Fallout 4, and Skyrim all have decently functional co-op mods that allow people to play together, and The Elder Scrolls Online figured out most of the kinks like around a decade prior to the release of Fallout 76. How any of this was possible is 1000% beyond me.
1) I thought the chest googly eyes were funny
2) I still wonder how Bethesda stays in business even with the whole Microsoft buying them.
On the plus side, big props on the part the studio that published one of my new favorite games: Hi Fi Rush!
I still need to play Hi Fi Rush, I’ve heard nothing but amazing things about it
@@camellia_vt Trust me, it's a rhythm hack n' slash blast!
I hope you can experience it in the near future ☺️
Cute corner birb
Her name is Sapling, she’s a Raven. She is my TTS pet
@@camellia_vt but does she say never more? 🤔
She said exactly what I did when it came to Starfield. How the hell did you think Starfield would be good when they cut so many corners for 76?
Nobody went sniffa or "feet" in the beginning. I'm a bit disappointed in this chatters
XD
I've watched like 6 reactions to this video and you're the only one to notice those reviews were from Fallout 4. I'm fairly certain the reason they did that was because by the time Fallout 76 was announced Fallout 4 wasn't a complete mess and people actually enjoyed it so the reviews were just for fun because they're characters from Fallout 4 reviewing the rum in character.
Example one review is from Piper saying "Smooth tasting. Blue and I enjoy this before earning our lover's embrace perk. Now, Now, don't start something you can't finish!". The first review the video shows is from Strong saying how drinking makes humans stupid and weak. I doubt these were meant to be taken serious and were for Fallout 4 fans to enjoy because they were expecting the Fallout fans to buy Fallout 76.
The fact so many went crawling back to Bethesda and Fallout 76 isn't a dead game really ticks me off on so many levels. Bethesda viewed it's fans are dumb. Easily manipulated, and honestly after seeing how forgiving it's fanbase was POST SCAM, It sickens me. Fallout 76 should be dead. Bethesda's attempts to farther monetize Skyrim and Fallout 4 should have also convinced people to leave those games as well. Bethesda game players are way too forgiving and I hate it. I uninstalled Skyrim SE/SA and went back to Oldyrim out of protest for example, I don't even want me adding +1 to the player count for that game anymore, so I uninstalled it. I went back to Fallout 3/NV with Tale of Two Wastelands which I consider the definitive 3D Fallout experience and uninstalled Fallout 4 as well. Similar to how I uninstalled GTAV because Rockstar has also ticked me off, and I brought back GTAIV and SA when I get that GTA itch.
Games I think need more integrity and sadly not enough gamers have integrity.
They view it like No Man's Sky. When it's nothing like No Man's Sky. Everything and I mean everything about Fallout 76 was a scam and how they handled it was even worse. No Man's Sky was just a indie dev making too many promises and not being able to deliver but in the end delivered, still scummy but not on the same level as Bethesda and Fallout 76. There were not Special Edition Scams, Merch Scams, among so many others revolving around 76 when it came to No Man's Skies.
0:12 GRIPPERS gad bles
27:36 As a schmuck who bought the upgrade package to play Starfield early, I think it was my love of space games and Bethesda nostalgia that blinded me.
7 months later they got their bag and it looks good, those powerarmor helmets if i recall things correctly started to mold so they had to be recalled.
Mold!?
@@camellia_vt Only the game stop exclusive Nuka Helmet the pre order ones were safe.
Only the nuka Helmet from Game Stop it was made by a different company.
LOOOL she was hoping they would get the bags, but kinda gave up on Bethesda.
Then they dox the ones asking for their bags lmao!
You mentioned something about "not caring for someone unless you heop them groe as a company"
You would think yor paying customer, especially the merch buying ones, ARE exactly that.
i like this adhd energy
Fallout 3 Fallout, New Vegas and fallout 4 are great games ignore what the others say the fandom is very divided and defensive honesty as a normal and neutral Fallout and Elder Scrolls fan if you do not like 3 new Vegas 4 or Skyrim then be it but try them at least don't let others tell you how good they are. Now Bethesda is on Damage control Elder Scrolls will be great as well as Fallout 5 it is what comes after that I am slightly worried about.
As an avid Fallout fan, I REALY wanted to like 76 but the constant bugs and the excessive grinding ultimately made me step away from it.
Me trying to turn off subtitles.
It's funny to see facial expressions when someone is eating on the stream. Adorable even.
Now I'm hungry!
32:31 - 1000% agree. This is a lack of respect for our time. Making the game unfairly prolonged.
Such a thing can probably only be liked by those who like to be beaten and humiliated.
I ain't got time to grind for 15 hours just to beat a boss. Thank you, I made my model myself
From what I have played, haven't all Fallout and The Elder Scrolls games been released as broken pieces of hot garbage, that the community ends up fixing for them with mods?
Yep
And now look at 76 it's doing really well
It's mid at best, but compared to launch yes. It's playable.
Hurray! Let's praise the corporations that openly hate their userbase.
@@ectothermic IT is better and they listen ot the bug reports that is not hating their player base it is treating us like kids big difference.
@@jonathancunningham8739 Let's be honest Skyrim still has bugs from 2011 and only gets updates when the Creation Club has new things to roll in, Fallout 4 is the same. The only reason 76 got updated at all is because it's an MMO, it cost a ton to make, and the class action lawsuits were coming in hot. They were doing everything in their power to get away with all the scummy things they did. I refuse to praise Bethesda for doing the bare minimum, but that's just me. I'm just not that kind of consumer.
@@ectothermic Skyrim is not as broken as FNV though so your argument for bugs is flawed and yes what they did is scummy but Skyrim, Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 is not part of that scummy part.
@@jonathancunningham8739 Fallout New Vegas is as broken as it is because Bethesda pulled the rug under Obsidian at the last minute, causing them to have to rush the end of development so it came out broken, which was done on purpose by the way. They had a contract in which if the game didn't reach a certain Metacritic score (I believe it was 75) they wouldn't get paid some amount of money they'd agreed to which Obsidian NEEDEd because they were nearly bankrupt. Rushing and crunching the game into existence made it have JUST UNDER the required score so they didn't get paid that bonus they could've used. Educate yourself and grow up.
Bethesda doesn't just scam its users they scam their contractors too. Just look at the attempted career destruction they tried with not just Mick Gordon but Chris Avellone, both of which have since stopped working with them, Avellone even won seven figures in a defamation suit. I don't know why you've taken it upon yourself to be Bethesda's lapdog but it's kinda sad. Also I didn't say Skyrim was broken, I said it still has bugs that haven't been fixed 13 years later. As a game it's extremely bland and only exists to be modded.
Saw some people talking about oxhorn in the chat got to say best fallout lore vids and to all who mentioned him great taste!
I will definitely check them out after I play fallout. Streaming it tomorrow for the first time
Hi Twitch, hi Camellia. I was disappointed in 76, but we still got 3, New Vegas, and 4 (I know people don't like 4 but its still a good game in my opinion)
I just started fallout 4 with the new update. Let's see how that goes
@@camellia_vt Yeah, I caught a little of the beginning of the stream, I gotta watch the rest but overall, you should have a fun time at the least. Glad you're giving it a shot. 👍
Many like 4 it is only the fans who are zeolite like for FNV however there are some who dislike it sadly the loudest ones are the crazed.
This video truly aged like a fine whine.
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PatricianTV did a good fallout 76 video.
Fallout 76 is actually good game now but nowhere near to 16 times the detail of fallout 4
Technically speaking the game IS better now, but that's not saying much.
It's got less bugs (still has lots) but the gameplay loop, combat, lore, and activities are so dull it's not worth it anyway.
It went from being miserably unplayable to mid and you can't mod it, so that's about 75% of the value of a Bethesda game gone.
The community's a buncha pretentious dorks too.
Edit: The thing is, these people don't care, they'll keep buying it, they'll keep playing these awful games and fueling the corporate greed.
This company is openly malicious and hates their fanbase, but they keep making money. None of this matters.
I miss Oblivion
12:55 & 27:31 Yeah. Some people can be fooled over and over again. But to be fair, some people like (I don't understand why) Fallout 4. I find it extremely boring and low quality looter shooter... it's not even an RPG (genres and categories are of course partly subjective).
Well now you need to do the no man’s sky internet historian video.
Honestly, Bethesda as a company was one that made hit after hit for, jeez, a good 20 years or so? They are one of those companies that don't release a lot but up till that point I think the only game they made that was legitimately bad was Elder Scrolls Blades, which was an IOS game. *Also some clarification, there is Bethesda Game Studios which is the development side and Bethesda Softworks which is a publisher. Its all under the same parent company but I'm only talking about Bethesda Game Studios here.*
That said, it had a side effect of getting a fan base that kind of sweeps the studio's problems under the rug. Like Fallout 4 is a good example, the box version is a buggy mess, writing isn't great, gunplay is horrible ect. Honestly, these are crippling issues imo but it's a great exploration game, which is why you buy from Bethesda and any problems like bugs or lack of content is just modded in by its community. So, Bethesda is kind of getting this rosy view that's to really an absurd amount of work their fans put into it. It was even totted as a lovable feature that their games had bugs that gave their games charming jank. Even Tody on stage made that joke talking about 76. It just so happened that 76 was so buggy it wasn't lovable anymore so the company kind of lost that shield of, oh the bugs are just quirky and I think that followed them to Starfield. Really to me, flaws are flaws. It may not be flaws that matter all that much but you shouldn't ignore that they are still flaws and that's what I think the community did.
That's kind of why 76 was doomed to a bad launch. It's basically a Fallout 4 mod that the community isn't allowed to fix. Plus, it still had all the bugs from Fallout 4 (which was 3 years old at that point) and the new ones you just get trying to finagle a 7 year old engine not designed for multiplayer into an mmo format. Plus, they did weird decisions like there wasn't NPCs at launch. So, it's worst Fallout 4 with no characters but online and with no mods. Another thing they were trying to do was make paid mods a thing going all the way back to Skyrim. The idea was to monetize what was free, so they make some money off of games that people still play 7+ years later. Didn't really work on PC but you can see why the cash shop was the way it was.
Seriously though, it is better now but it had a solid year of making every possible bad decision you could possibly make when making a game like this which kind of killed it. I mean it's laudable they fixed it over time, but their rep was devastated after all the drama with this game, and they didn't have a hit anime or a torrent of free DLC to bring back attention to the game like No Man Sky or Cyberpunk 2077 and I think the fallout of this still follows them.......Get it? Fallout?........I'll show myself out.
6:28 this exact reason is why i still plan to get Cyberpunk 2077 despite hearing its nothing but a buggy mess still
Cyberpunk is so much better than launch, you just gotta have a good PC
@@camellia_vt yep, ive actually tried getting it but lets just say even the menu ran at 3FPS so i refunded and have to wait till i have a better computer
Fallout 76 was Bethesda trying to make a Elder scrolls online but fallout, aka a MMO, the map needed to be bigger then Fallout 4's to fit being a MMO as Fallout 4's map was made with singleplayer in mind. Also its Bethesda who, while fixing 1 bug create 20 more...somehow, and using the creation Engine which they've used since The Elder scrolls 3 Morrowind...which was what 30 years ago? The Engine was never made for Multiplayer, Bethesda consistently have bugged riddled games that are only usually playable because the fans fix the games with mods. And what they do fix causes the game to break MORE. The whole idea of 76 was doomed from the start as Bethesda can't even properly fix their single player titles, why they thought they could make and maintain a Multiplayer version of one of their titles is beyond me. Tho I have seen some positively around 76 in recent time 76 just shouldn't have been made, atleast not made by Bethesda themselves.
Most Engines are old and just get upgraded, I think its more that they have no clue what they are doing. At least someone else got to make Elder scrolls online. Now I wonder if its any good
@@camellia_vt exactly, Bethesda dispite using this same engine for years still can't fix the same issues that come up in every title they make with it, it why anyone who found out they were using that same engine for 76 should've known it was gonna be bug ridden just like all their other games that use that engine. The upside to the engine was you could mod it but you cant do that with a always online game cause you'd be banned. One of the reasons Bethesda's games have been popular was because they allowed you to mod the game, much easier then other games, to the point that at this point they basically expect the community to fix their games for them. It doesn't help that apparently Bethesda doesn't do proper documentation when making their games which explains why some stuff feels so disconnected gameplay wise, it's hard to make a game be playable if not everyone even knows what's being done. The channel NakeyJakey has a video that explains it better, called "Bethesda's game design was outdated a decade ago". It kinda covers Starfield but it also covers a couple other Bethesda games.
@@knightofblackfyre7950 "point that at this point they basically expect the community to fix their games for them" This is exactly it, and making a game we can't mod means they have to fix it themselves which they won't.
speaking of fallout 4, yes there was a lot of disappointment when it came to story and worldbuilding, it did have some interesting mechanics that the superior new vegas didnt, like extensive weapon customization and settlement building. Sadly, these gimmicks were not enduring enough to stop me from returning to my mainstay games.
I don't know WHY Bethesda is able to fool us again and again 😅 I bought a whole damn Xbox Series X to play Starfield (actually got it years earlier tbf, I did want to finally play Forza Horizon 2-4, then FH5 and also it's a decent Xbox 360 🤣) and then paid for the AUD$170 Premium Edition (Digital, cause Xbox Physical games are not complete on Disc and haven't been for years now) and then I only ended up putting like 10 Hours in during the "3 Day Early Access" period I got with said version of the game before deleting it and never touching it since.
Total bloody waste of money, I do technically get that Shattered Space DLC for "Free" (already paid for it technically) in September but I'm gonna be busy with other shit at this point... And I don't care.
Plus basically everything out of Bethesda is coming either Day 1 or slightly later to PlayStation 5 and usually in a better state so I'll be picking up these games there anyway. I'd rather earn Trophies, all my friends and I have always been PlayStation first and foremost since the PS1, the Physical games are actually COMPLETE on the Disc if they do a Physical Release (because Sony uses 100GB UHD Blu-Rays) and if it isn't Day 1, like with Indiana Jones, it'll be patched up and running better when it comes a few months later 🤷♂️
Yep
Oh there wasn't just faith in 76, there was straight fanboy CULT activity.
One of the reaction channels I'm subbed to did a live reaction to the event 76 was announced at and they said the project is gonna be a disaster on release.
The comments were bombarded with a bunch of people calling them "No faith ***holes" and they should "Shut The **** Up."
It was mind numbing.
Omg
Rageaholic did some videos on Starfield.
Ppl keep watching a video 6 years old to hate on a game thats nothing like this now this is the thing about misinformation she even thinks fallout 4 is bad its crazy how casuals can be so influenced so easily
Not sure why but i had to find this video on my history to watch the rest of the video, it doesnt show up under my subscribe tab, im not sure if this a me problem or your channel problem so just wanted you to know.
Local green baby vtuber discovers the horrors of capitalism and corporate greed.
You think you know corporate greed and then it out does itself
The only fallout games worth playing in my opinion are fallout 1, fallout 2, fallout tactics, and new Vegas, the ones made by Bethesda are just….well….just meh they feel soulless and lack good stories
# was great 4 was good Tactics was not a Fallout game 4 was more of a Fallout game Tactics was well a Tactics game a good Tactics game but still one non the less.
The thing that makes people still want to buy Bethesda Games, one major factor, in my opinion, is their gameplay trailers. They're so well made, giving you enough information and hype about their games that many people keep forgetting their past troubles. Time will tell when Elder Scrolls 6 comes around, and I think if they screw that up too, it's the final straw to many fans.
It won't second Elder Scrolls 6 will be successful hand over fist they are on damage control Fallout % is what many are waiting for to see and honestly it is damage control time. Last why many but these games is adventure all of their games including 4 is a good time waster non of the stories are perfect not even FNV but there is an epicness to it it won't be empty it will succeed because they know that franchises Starfeild was different it was empty because they did not know how to make a space game that is open world.
Bethesda were famous for making a very buggy, but charming single player video games. People were forgiving due to it being a single player. The day fallout 4 came out and people started having doubts about the quality of writing of future games. And then 76 comes out though. Pitch-forks and torches were already lit. Making a game on an engine that is in fact older than an audience it was made for. The engine is known for its instability and bugs. And they literally dock taped a multiplayer to it without a proper quality assurance. Booooooy this was a shit show ready to be lit in a blaze of righteous flames.
All the games including FNV do not have perfect writing FNV has great writing 3 has wonderful writing and 4 has good writing those who said "Gasp Awful" are jsut jaded to the past starfeild is the red flag not 4.
This video encapsulates why I haven't gotten Fallout 76, will never say that it's "good now", and will never trust Bethesda again. The game issues were one thing, Bethesda has always had buggy games. It was the IRL stuff that was the straw that broke my back. They're not just bad developers, they're bad people.
Also, people make the connection between 76 and No Man's Sky. Here's the thing: NMS was made by an indie dev team, like 12 people in a tiny (flooded) studio. Their mistakes are understandable. Bethesda is a AAA company, with a long history of games under their belt. We should not and cannot let them release a No Man's Sky, because they know better.
If your cousin who's never done construction work agrees to help you build your deck and screws up, it's understandable. If the professional you hire screws up, that's on them.
76 is better though however I understand if you do not want to play it but it is better watch the countless re reviews after the tons of patches they released honesty aside from 76 First they aren't all bad people last I think you over reacted a bit.
no more early access! just give me what i paid for when its done, im tired of play-testing games that only ever gets half baked. They are not some poor indie studio ffs!
Starfield isn't even really as bad as people say it is. It's just... bland. There's not much substance to it, which is a shame, because I love the aesthetics and setting of Starfield. If Bethesda Game Studios still bothered with making good games, Starfield could have been an amazing game. There are good ideas there, they just weren't properly developed. As it is, Starfield gets quite boring and bland after a few hours. Maybe it'll improve over time, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone interested in a good RPG.
Honestly, I have almost zero interest in TES VI now. Maybe Obsidian's Avowed will be an actually good western RPG. But then again, you just shouldn't trust large developers to make great games that work well nowadays.
Yea it was a cash grab. This is why I never bought starefield and they better real fkin careful with the next elder scrolls.
bethesda have good games.... if you use mods on top of it
and that's pretty sad, you know a game is a failure when you can only enjoy it after using mods
Actually this video is very out of date all the things mentioned in this video are completely changed now a completely different and better game now and almost every single thing mentioned in the video p is not true anymore I seriously don't know why the guy still has the video up he at least needs to update all the things he said in the video
Fo4 vanilla was terrible, and most people modded it and ignored the main story. Modded it to become more like The Sims.
Then Far Harbor came out and we had hopes of decent writing. But that was the end of it. Nothing past that point was ever as good, and the same bugs at launch are STILL THERE.
I played on an in modded version I bought from gog the other day and saw pretty much the same problems as on day one.
I love the mods, and bits of the base game, and most of far harbor - but I just can't say Bethesda is a good company.
Tbh I think they should have sold the IP but now the TV series is making bank, so I expect they will spew out fo5 asap and it will be awful, and they will pay shills to praise it and bots to harass anyone critical of it.
They really should sell the IP, right now which the show popping off is the perfect time. But you are right they will make a half ass game and hope modders will make it good
@@camellia_vt Even the show is not that good, the visuals are good, but the characthers are idiots and the story is a bad copy from things already made and they making things worse destroying the lore of Fallout 2 and New Vegas, NCR should have fallen by their own weight and corruption, not by some dumbass from Vault Tec that somehow was able to get a nuke
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Fallout 4 is good, the few issues with it can easily be solved with mods. Th only people hating it are FNV fanboys.
I never played it but I heard mix things. Good to know
Eh, it’s still a downgrade compared to 3 and New Vegas.
@@SteelSpurs sorry, the fact that New Vegas doesn't allow you to play after the main story line it's a disgrace for me. The game might be decent, but all the choices FNV fanboys always brag about are irrelevant if you can't play through the consequences of it. Fallout 3 was like that too but Bethesda fixed it with a DLC, they never bothered with NV, which imo makes 3 and NV equivalent, even if NV have more content in it.
@@ShiningLight I’ll give you that, but I’d rather have a game end and not overstay its welcome than keep playing through a game that’s arguably less interesting.
@@ShiningLightI think the lack of a postgame is more on the short development time obsidian had. I would argue the choices and actions in Fallout 4 seem to have less consequences. Clearing a location or saving a settlement, both will have raiders again in a week. Don’t want to work with the minutemen, have to for main quest. Join the Nuka Raiders, everyone is a little mad but will still help you out. These things could be fixed with mods. Like how there is a mod for a New Vegas post game called Functional Post Game Ending. Tada.
Would argue my faith in Bethesda died with Skyrim. I patched the bugs out of it and it still bugged out, including the game breaking end boss bug that made it invincible the moment I loaded a quick save. I could never finish Skyrim, and I was legit at the end boss. It's F-ed, and so are Betheda's games. I'm surprised any one gives them the time of day any more. The last good games they made were Oblivion, and ESO. And arguably ESO is another company inside of the company, much like ID when they make DOOM games.
Skyrim is my only Bethesda game. My very first run was stopped by a game breaking bug that did not allow me to open the elder scroll. I had to start a new run. Overall I had a blast (had also the opportunity to make a better build and do more stuff) but I will never forget the feeling. The game is buggy so I wasn't even surprised, just amazed and disappointed
Whoa that is pathetic Skyrim is great your system and or copy was just bugged not the game its self it works great.
@@NisAenino Negative much wow many would disagree even the one s who hate Bethesda.
@@jonathancunningham8739 Please use punctuation, there is a reason why it exists. That experience was pathetic, but it doesn't matter because I love Skyrim. It is indeed a great game. That being said it is undeniable that it's full of bugs. There is no reason why my System would bug the game. Maybe it was, as you say, a problem with the copy, however unlikely I think that is. I don't think my view of the game is that negative, especially because even though I had that experience I still continued to play the game for a long time
All of this is not relevant anymore the game is so different these days the game has improved so very much and it's way better then it used to be now the game is actually really good and I know this cuz I've been playing it since the beta and now I would highly recommend it to anybody
"If it had been released as an early access..." Oh dear Camellia, they did try that card. They really did try it, after a few weeks or a month or so, after the compleate dumpster fire the launch where.
They first did full release, where EVERYTHING was broken. They even had a 3 days preorder earlyaccess, wich was open to play as soon you got your game code. (mine arrived a week before full release, and could play instantly after install.) Then after every one was trowing an complete shit feast towards Bethesda, they whent "Oh but, eh.. you see...Hehe.. eh, It's early access, not full release." Absolutely no one fell for it.
The release of FO 76 was hands down the worst bethesta release ever, and that on it's own should say a LOT. Then the game sucked for like 3 years. But they have turned it around realy well. The game is rather fun to play, and they have fixed most of the issiues. The only four things they really need to do now is.
1. Get rid of the micro transaction shop.
2. Get rid of the fallout one subscription.
3. Open up private worlds to every one as they said it would be before release.
4. Give every one access to unlimited staches. They claimed they could not make them due to some bullshit, but obviously fixed it as it's now are locked behind a subcription fee.
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Just remembered a tiny thing. About 1-3 months before the announcement of FO76, bethesda forced a multiplayer mod for fallout 4, that allmost where done to be completely deleted by the modders. Aparently the mod was bacicly a new world, new storry and everything. Bethesta sent them a cese and de siste order treathening to sue them. Then a few months later Fallout 76 where announced and shortly there after released. Even during E3 you could see it was rushed, and the release where showing clear signs that bethesda most likely (Probably with a 90% probability) did not work on a Fallout multiplayer game at all, untill they saw this mod. And then all of a suddenr went in to full greed mode. Took one of their less experience studios and made them make a full new FO game but build it around multiplayer. Its obvious that the game where rushed to all hell, and the release showed the game needed years extra in the owen. Now about 6 years later, the game is where it should had been on release.
React to the costa Concordia video is more messed up.
Just finished editing that. It was so crazy