I am not a JV member but have been following his TH-cam content for about a year and wanted to give it a real concerted effort. My results were amazing. You do not swing hard when using this format. It is basically this: set up in a closed stance (as much as 45 degrees) with about 70% of weight on your lead foot. Stay still and closed through impact with weight increasing on the lead foot the closer to impact. This is a lead arm dominated swing. Pull the club down through impact with the lead arm thus not allowing the trail shoulder to come forward (over the top). Stillness is critical as is maintaining weight on the lead foot. Stay relaxed with loose wrists (tension free) and do NOT swing hard. The swing path should remain along the closed shoulder line until the lead arm pulls the trail shoulder forward (well after impact) to a full upright finish. Maintaining a closed position with the weight on the front foot and staying STILL are key components of this method. The set up dictates all of the movements in the swing. In fact, you can completely disregard the movements of the hands and arms. The set up, if done properly, predetermines the movements of the hands and arms without any swing thoughts or tension. Resulting shots are nice tight draws which become so consistent over time that alignment is easy and predictable. The best part in my opinion is that this set up and the resulting draw biased shots can be used with any club in the bag including driver and can be used for pitches, chips and even in bunkers, it is truly remarkable. The hardest part of this for me was realizing that because I get center face contact 90% of the time there is no reason to swing hard. Use of the lead arm will eventually cause the trail arm to become passive and serves only as support for the club. I have back issues from hockey and this swing allows me to play 3-4 times per week without pain or recovery (I am 64 years old and did not take up golf until age 58). I went from an 18 handicap to a 12 in 7 months and my handicap is approaching 10 after 11 months of incorporating Jim's methodology. Since Jim bucks the typical PGA teaching style approach some feel that his approach is a gimmick, trust me it is not. I now play golf pain free and play it well in comparison to my golf partners. They tell me it looks a little funny right up to the point they open their wallets and pay me for kicking their asses by 5 or more strokes per round. Jim is a very intelligent man who experienced the PGA lifestyle growing up in a very competitive golf environment. He found the PGA method overly complex due to the contortions needed to play in the the PGA style. If you want to hit beautiful tight draws immediately and play from the fairway consistently, buy into this method for a season and see for yourself. I did and I will play anyone, anywhere at anytime. Just for fun, bring some extra cash to tip the beverage cart person or to pay the guy using his method.
Based on all the videos I’ve seen this is an excellent summary of Jim’s method. I love hearing success stories like these. My biggest issue is sticking with something that feels and looks so different. We’ll see if I can trust the process and give it the time it needs. Thanks for your input 👍🏻
This swing is awesome. Been frustrated for years!!! Into it for about 8 months. Golf is great again!! Totally pleased. Have watched every video and know the golf swing inside and out… This is it!!!!
Following Jim's videos has been a game changer for me. Maintaining the constent pressure in my led foot guarantees my solid strike every time. At 72 I'm playing to an 8 cap and im only playing 3 to 4 times a month. I have almost shot my age several times lately. thanks Jim!
I initially started to use this technique about 3 years ago...I stuck with it for about a year and, then abandoned it and began to follow Tom Saguto's stack & tilt formula...I recently became interested in the Venetos system and experimented with a "high hands", single plane, Moe Norman type set-up....This is where the lightbulb went on for me!!!...I'll never go back to either the traditional set-up or the stack and tilt technique...The Venetos system combined with a one plane address has opened the door for a consistent draw shot using every club in my bag...Including the driver...Kudos Mr. Venetos!!!
I’ve been working with Jim for a year. You need to pivot o to your lead foot and pull your trail foot back a little. Jim also suggests you start with swings no more than thigh high until you get used to STILLNESS. The results are incredible.
Nice effort. Your initial positive results are indicators that the system works, the misses you had are indicators that you’d benefit from formally learning the system. I suggest being more closed in the set up, swinging easier in the downswing and signing up for my school so you can learn the system properly. 👊
Thanks for the feedback 👍🏻. I will start with exploring a more closed setup as you suggest. Man I feel so closed already lol. Going to be a mental battle.
I've been a JVGA member for two years. I also saw Jim's channel and was attracted initially by the simplicity. I'm a true believer now. It is simple and repeatable - way less moving parts. Playing the best golf of my life so far and the journey is just begun.
I'm a JV member. Joined last November. Started using this swing due to severe back pain/issues. It takes awhile for the brain to adjust to the alignment. Make sure you have your face square to your target at address. It may appear very closed and hooded, but it's not. Keep the weight on the left side (right handed golfer) and keep still. I just played today. 76. For a 8 HC, I'll take it every day. You will not strike every shot perfect. No one does. Your misses will be online. Worst that happens is short and almost always an easy up and down. I wish I would have "discovered" this swing years ago. I will never go back to conventional.
I was a member a few years ago, it definitely changed my perception and awareness of the swing plane and body position in motion and made me a better golfer. I don't use it in what would be the strict sense but still always use it in a sort of personal hybrid swing.
I found his initial videos interesting and thought it might help with back pain. I am not in his academy. I started at end of the year 2023 and committed to using his philosophy 100%. When I stay still ( still hard) the ball flight is beautiful and higher. My scores have been a little higher than normal 12-14 handicap but recently broke 80 for first time using his method. Chipping has improved as has bunker play. I am 68 years old and now hitting my wedge 125 yards on average and 56 degrees 95. Stick with it. You will love the high ball draw flight. I used to be a very good short game player but developed the yips and in the bunker too. Today I got up and down from off the green 4 of 5 times. Haven’t done that in a decade. I am subscribing to your channel to see your journey. Enjoy. Coacchh
I started the “switch” two months ago. Currently a 19 handicap and realizing more consistent ball striking with every iron and really hammering hybrids, woods and driver. Looking forward to this season and going from 19 to 15 by end of season. Ted L.
I've been setting up his way for about a year now...the hardest parts to get used to are keeping the shoulders quiet until AFTER impact. Also, work on ball position...there is a sweet spot for beautiful shots. Jim also states in one of his videos, that the better golfer you are, you dont need to stand so deeply closed. You also dont need to swing hard, I find my best shots are with about 80% effort. Good Luck bro. As for your swing...it did look like you were a little quick with the shoulders opening up through impact...thats why it helps to slow it down to start.
I'm not a JV member, but watching his TH-cam videos made it possible for me to continue playing golf, with the JV swing after I had back surgery. Thank you Jim Venetos, and to Golf Quest for spreading the word about the JV Swing
I tried to employ Jim's swing technique and although I didn't have much success with the full swing, I did have tremendous success using his technique for chipping and bunker play.
@@tmacphd7871 really? Very interesting. I would never have guessed it would help with bunker play in particular. Fairway or green side bunkers? Or both?
@@GolfQuestChannel I used to blade my chips across the green and or chunk my pitches. I would typically do the same when in a bunker. I realized when trying Jim's lead arm dominant swing technique, especially the stillness component, that it took my dominant right arm out of the process and as such, let the swing just happen. The reason I'm not having the same success with the full swing, I believe, is that my brain gets in the way telling me I need to hit a certain yardage and as such, I keep attempting to use my right hand to add power to the swing rather than just let it happen, as I do with chipping and pitching I describe above. I'm working on it though-:)
I have been watching his videos, practicing in the backyard and find his method fascinating. The closed stance allows for an easy inside out swing path with minimal effort. I like the keeping your body still.
I did not enroll either, but I have followed a lot and I have practice this swing a lot. And I can tell you two things. First, and Jim will say don't do this, you can incorporate some of these ideas into your swing. If you stay still on the front leg and stay closed, those are definitely his key ideas. But I must say I have had some significant success with the swing when I've decided to use it.
I have tried Jim's swing on my last two rounds. I am 82 years old and not flexible. I have to protect my back. My golf has gone downhill at an increasing rate for the last few years. The first round I was just trying to get the feel of this "new" swing and shot about my usual score, mid 80"s from the forward tees. Yesterday I was back at it and things started to fall in place. I shot a 79 and did not hurt all over as is normal. Tired yes, it was 100 degrees when I finished. This is something I feel will extend my golf life.
Interested to see your journey with this method (subbed so I can). I dabbled with it last year but reverted back to more traditional methods. Ball striking suffering recently so thinking of going back to it. I hit some of my purest ever shots trying this last year.
I think it’s challenging to stick with something so unique. Especially without enrolling in Jim’s academy. One thing I find challenging is swinging this way with woods. I find it very hard to keep still. Thanks for the sub 👍🏻
@@GolfQuestChannel keep going with it. I actually hit fairway woods incredibly well with the method but less so with driver which is ultimately why I went back to more traditional methods. Golftestdummy has a good series on the JVGA swing. Take a look if you haven't already. Jim doesn't keep completely still if you watch in slow motion. On the backswing his body is pretty still (although watch his right foot) but on the downswing his hips move forward and his feet also move of course. To say he is 100% still is not correct. The key is that you don't move your weight back but keep it forward and then more forward on the downswing with closed shoulders.
I tried the JV swing a couple years back. Forward weight, closed for inside out still swing. Played some of my best golf that year. Particularly my short game (120 yds in). Saw most improvement. Not feeling I was getting the power I wanted, I moved on. Now, after going through a frustrating season of golf and now experiencing back pain, I’ve returned. This time, I’m staying. Hitting the ball pure with less strain on my body, just makes sense.
I played with this swing for first time today - I am 73 and struggle with lower back pain - this swing is definitely kinder to my back. I hit some very good iron shots and bump and roll shots and I chip much better. However I struggled with the driver so I need to spend time on the range to sort this out. This will be my swing now as I feel it will allow to play and walk the course again.
I fiddled around with this method for the last couple of seasons. I hadn't played for about 3 weeks and went out this last Sunday and shot 79, par 72. The wind was blowing at 15mph with gusts of 25. It is the simplest method requiring the least amount of practice once you know how to stay still and trust it.
on the shots you had the baby fade, from teh overhead shot it looks as though your trail shoulder was activating just a bit too early. You also need to puul your trail foot back a little. I've been working on Jim's method now since the beginning of this year. My accuracy has improved, I've gained 25-30 metres with my driver. At the moment I'm working on Jim's chipping and pitching method to see if I can actually get a short game.
You've got great camera angles. Yes, the swing helps draw the ball especially for people that don't have good eye hand coordination. However testing it out is one thing reducing your score must be the objective. Stay Still. David E. Riley
Thank you. Ya tinkering is a lot different than relying on it for every shot on course and (as you point out) scoring better. Who knows - time will tell I guess 👍🏻
I've been experimenting with Jim's methods and it definitely works but the main thing is, getting over the mental hurdle that I'm aiming way out to the right. And that's all it is, is a mental hurdle. Because when you set up weight forward, closed stance, and stay as still as possible, you will hit nice draw shots. I love how his method of pre setting impact simplifies things.
I’ve been trying his swing for over a year and I love it, especially on irons. I do a little mix of JV and Moe Norman though. Lean left closed and stay still like JV, straight arms like Moe. Most consistent I’ve ever played. Since I’m over 50, it is great on my back.
@@GolfQuestChannel I've been using the JVGA swing for two years now and I've had several folks comment that I remind them of Moe. I've never hit the ball so well
I just started in the online program and I love it. 70 year old high handicapper hitting irons so much better, driver still a bit of a problem but working on it. I certainly hit the ball farther and crisper.
I am exactly the same as you: RH in everything but golf and baseballl, swing LH and feel like my RH is in control. I enrolled in Jim’s school and find it fantastic. I’m to the point when I hit consistent tight draws with all the short and mid irons and in the learning process for the long irons and hybrid/woods. I used to have an inconsistent swing and sometimes completely lost my swing. With Jim’s method you always have a basis to fall back on and accomplish consistency with a predictable shot path. The secret of being still with weight forward at about 90% is that the bottom of the arc is always at the same point, combined with a swing path that is always inside out (due to the closed setup), a draw is guaranteed. So far, I have lowered my handicap about 5 in a little bit over 2 months.
That is tremendous progress. Well done. It’s funny - so many times I hear that the driver and longer irons are the issue. I wonder what the key is for those.
@@GolfQuestChannel the driver is actually not an issue, that one is still a bit weird but solid draws with that club. 5i, 4h are a bit of a problem, 5w, 3w and driver are awesome!
I’m in his school. You start with small swings not full swings. I’m left handed. I just get a bit of knee pain due to the pivot on the inside of my left knee.i usually I do stack and Tilt where you put your weight on your front leg. This is similar. I find the ball just pops off the club. He tells you not to swing hard.,
guy is not doing it right..younare not pivoting around your left knee....you can see from jim s and your video that there is far fewer contortions etc than a regular swing..ps...
The swing at 8:50.... you're not closed enough, and the face of the club is open to the line. Remember, the face will look very closed because of the alignment process. It's easier if you line up like your normal swing, face to target, then close your stance, then regrip, not changing the face.
It is interesting that Jim recommends keeping the weight on the left side. I wonder if Jim has ever used a pressure matt to see of the pressure really stays there. and if the degree of pressure changes during his swing.
Hi, I haven't any experience of the Venetos method, but, like you, I have been watching his short videos and wondering about his claims, only in the last week or so. So I was very interested to see your video. I haven't had chance to get to the range and give it a go but I definitely will. I'm a fairly new golfer and still trying to find something that works well for me. Looking at his website though, $69 per month seems pretty pricey for an online course. I think you need to be pretty sure that it's going to benefit you before you sign up for that. Thanks again. New subscriber. 👍
My experience with Jim's academy was a dismal failure. I couldn't grasp it. I have tried so many swing methodologies and have not found one that works for me.
I was a JV member and my game improved then I came across what is called channel lock and it was free. I like free also. Channel lock and JV are similar but CL was more repeatable for me. CL eliminates the left side which is good on the course I play. The biggest benefit was I had my first under par round from blue tees with CL.
I've been trying this as I'm plagued by lower back/sciatica problems so trying to cut down on rotation. This works but Jim says to keep majority of weight on front foot. Hope this isn't a daft question but how do I do that without also tilting my spine twds front side to get the weight over there? Thanks.
@@davepotter5679 not at all - I think it’s a solid question. I think you can shift laterally without much lean. I mean you can “bump” forward but lean back to compensate (just in general). Having said all that - I am far far from an expert. I’m just going down this exploratory journey myself. Maybe other viewers will have the definitive answer.
@@davepotter5679 honestly I’m not sure at this point - just saying I could see that being one way to not tilt forward. Jim almost looks like he leans into his front side a touch though so maybe there is a bit of a lean. I’ll have to watch carefully on his future vids. 👍🏻
Im in Australia and did his course a couple of years ago. I went from 36 to 12 in 18 months, (66 yo now). Gave up golf in the 80s as my back was too sore and only took it up again after Jim saying it protects your back. It does. I tend to miss approach shots now, always to the right and dont know how to fix it. No pro here teaches it, so its a bit frustrating. As a result, handicap has gone out to 15, but playing to 18, I recon. When I was young, in the 80s I was a 27 handicap at best so I can say that Jims method works. Its not as easy as you think though. Ive spent many hours working on the swing path, takeaway etc in an attempt to get the ball to return to those draws I had 12 months ago. Also, whats that launch monitor you use please. Looks great Thanks Brendon
Thanks for detailing your journey. I love hearing peoples stories about this swing. I use a skytrak (original). It’s great because it doesn’t require a lot of space so it works for my smaller garage. If you have any other questions let me know. 👍🏻
Update...since i posted, im right back on track and recon i can get back to single figures soon. My clubface was too open on address and Ive refocussed on keeping all my weight on front leg. No backpain at all and i hit hundreds off balls a week. So i would say its taken 3 years to perfect but in saying that, my matescare still mid 20 hcps after 40 years! I could not of done this sithout Jims methods and my own determination.
another version on getting on your left side, and turn your right hip away from the target at the SETUP...it other words, this is a set up that eliminates 2 necessary motions in the downswing. All you have to do is swing your arms as the other motions are already in position. It works great for the irons and FW ...but not the driver ( in my opinion ). I used this in golf tournaments when I am nervous and don't always make a good pivot and shoulder turn
Ok never heard of Jim V but on my own I decided my right shoulder was too far towards the ball and causing me to cast the club out causing a out to in divot. Started pushing my right shoulder pushed back. Boom less fatties and a perfect straight divot
I enrolled and completed Jim’s on-line course. Like you I am left handed and honestly never got comfortable with his set-up, perhaps I never completely understood it, which is entirely possible. In your video it appears you are closing your stance by bumping your hips forward. As I recall Jim teaches a slight turn inwards. Sounds minor but this is where his method is confusing. If the set up and ball position is not correct, you experience the same difficulty as with a traditional swing. I wanted it to work and on occasion it did but building consistency was never achieved. Perhaps I’ll try again.
Thanks for the video. I also watched the video on the Eureka swing that you did. The big difference is closed stance (JV swing) versus open stance (for legs) with Eureka method … with the commonality being the in-to-out swing path; but you are getting there two different ways. Curious to see which method you found easier and more repeatable.
@@lageronimo8012 I would recommend trying it for sure and see what happens. I don’t believe golf has a one size fits all solution but definitely worth a try. Let me know how it goes!
Like Jim, your swing has got few moving parts. I can see you've got the majority of your weight on your lead leg like him. His non-lead leg is further back than yours, but it doesn't seem to be an issue for you. I think your set-up and swing looks great and the resulting ball flight supports it. Win Win.
I had a few 70's rounds using this swing. But, being it's golf, your brain will always figure out a way to screw it up😮. I'm doing more of a slap release swing now so I can use more hands.
@@GolfQuestChannel th-cam.com/video/hXpX-yPJJOU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=T-C8YgbXj3S-7kgd Marcus Edblad teaches a system similar to Mike Malaska. Using right hand for power and accuracy.
I thought Jim said to set the club face first to the target and then drop your trailing foot back a bit a close the shoulders. Your club face appears to be in line with your feet and shoulders, I.e. out to the left. At least that is what I thought Jim instructed.
@@GolfQuestChannel I can appreciate that. But the sequence of learning at the Academy is important,. Imagine baking a loaf of bread and waiting until after it’s baked to let it rise.
😂😂 everyone over exaggerates the set up 😂… does Jim V look like his hips and legs are locked ?NO .. anyone I watch trying JimV #stillness swing they don’t get it … You don’t need to maintain your closed stance .. maintainnstillness !!! Until you have got past impact - then release the club & finish in a high balanced position !
Hey Golf Quest, I just watched your video and I must say that it was really informative and well-made. I was wondering if I could help you edit your videos and repurpose your long videos into highly engaging shorts? I can also make high CTR thumbnails for your channel
You’re saying that you you’re not swing that hard, but to me it looks like you’re swinging out of your shoes. Jim states that you shouldn’t swing hard at all and focus on the stillness and staying closed through impact. To me it looks like you are not closed through impact but already in line with the target. Therefore your shots look straight rather than a draw shape?
Interesting. I definitely wasn’t swinging out my my shoes but maybe I could try logging lighter. Most of my shots draw. Not massive draws but draw spin. I’ll keep tinkering.
I did the school for over a year. As tracked by Arcos, my "handicap" per shot type, compared to the year before I joined, were: putting: 18->12 chipping: 10->5 approach: 38->15 (not a typo) long irons: 25->25 hybrids/woods: 15->30 (also not a typo) driver: 14->40 (also not a typo) Overall
@@GolfQuestChannel Suffered might be an understatement. Made golf "not fun" seems about right. I don't think there's anything wrong with the swing method. No reason it can't work for long game. I saw it work for long game, fleetingly. I do think there are severe issues with the coaching methodology.
Reviewed your swing. Keep the weight on your target leg, your shifting a wee bit. I can't stress enough. Keep the weight on your target leg. Slow down the transition....like Fred Couples.
Hey Partner ur not even close to performing the swing …what you’re doing here is a traditional swing with a closed stance …which is fine if it helps but just the tip of the ice berg in the jv swing
In this video it may have been slightly - in the next video I try to have it closed more. It feels so closed though due to the setup. A lot of weird feelings to overcome.
ironically, your attempt at putting down the venettos method proves how good it is. If you don't like the venettos method go pay.a lot of money to get a pro to mess up your swing.
This is crap! Let me know when every professional golfer sets up for every shot 45 degrees closed to the target 🤣 Good ball strikers can use this method to hook a ball around trees to get back in play, but it does nothing to help the average high handicapper. GTFO with this crap!
there are always these negative posters re the jim venettos mehod. I also find these same guys post negative comments re Michael Breed the pga teacher who was on the golf channel (golf fix)..you have to wonder if these guys are jealous fellow pga teaching pros...lol
I am not a JV member but have been following his TH-cam content for about a year and wanted to give it a real concerted effort. My results were amazing. You do not swing hard when using this format. It is basically this: set up in a closed stance (as much as 45 degrees) with about 70% of weight on your lead foot. Stay still and closed through impact with weight increasing on the lead foot the closer to impact. This is a lead arm dominated swing. Pull the club down through impact with the lead arm thus not allowing the trail shoulder to come forward (over the top). Stillness is critical as is maintaining weight on the lead foot. Stay relaxed with loose wrists (tension free) and do NOT swing hard. The swing path should remain along the closed shoulder line until the lead arm pulls the trail shoulder forward (well after impact) to a full upright finish. Maintaining a closed position with the weight on the front foot and staying STILL are key components of this method. The set up dictates all of the movements in the swing. In fact, you can completely disregard the movements of the hands and arms. The set up, if done properly, predetermines the movements of the hands and arms without any swing thoughts or tension. Resulting shots are nice tight draws which become so consistent over time that alignment is easy and predictable. The best part in my opinion is that this set up and the resulting draw biased shots can be used with any club in the bag including driver and can be used for pitches, chips and even in bunkers, it is truly remarkable. The hardest part of this for me was realizing that because I get center face contact 90% of the time there is no reason to swing hard. Use of the lead arm will eventually cause the trail arm to become passive and serves only as support for the club. I have back issues from hockey and this swing allows me to play 3-4 times per week without pain or recovery (I am 64 years old and did not take up golf until age 58). I went from an 18 handicap to a 12 in 7 months and my handicap is approaching 10 after 11 months of incorporating Jim's methodology. Since Jim bucks the typical PGA teaching style approach some feel that his approach is a gimmick, trust me it is not. I now play golf pain free and play it well in comparison to my golf partners. They tell me it looks a little funny right up to the point they open their wallets and pay me for kicking their asses by 5 or more strokes per round. Jim is a very intelligent man who experienced the PGA lifestyle growing up in a very competitive golf environment. He found the PGA method overly complex due to the contortions needed to play in the the PGA style. If you want to hit beautiful tight draws immediately and play from the fairway consistently, buy into this method for a season and see for yourself. I did and I will play anyone, anywhere at anytime. Just for fun, bring some extra cash to tip the beverage cart person or to pay the guy using his method.
Based on all the videos I’ve seen this is an excellent summary of Jim’s method. I love hearing success stories like these. My biggest issue is sticking with something that feels and looks so different. We’ll see if I can trust the process and give it the time it needs. Thanks for your input 👍🏻
This swing is awesome. Been frustrated for years!!! Into it for about 8 months. Golf is great again!! Totally pleased. Have watched every video and know the golf swing inside and out… This is it!!!!
@@petty43431 excellent to hear! You find it solid with driver too?
Following Jim's videos has been a game changer for me. Maintaining the constent pressure in my led foot guarantees my solid strike every time. At 72 I'm playing to an 8 cap and im only playing 3 to 4 times a month. I have almost shot my age several times lately. thanks Jim!
@@bigscardycat wow that’s great to hear. Well done!
I initially started to use this technique about 3 years ago...I stuck with it for about a year and, then abandoned it and began to follow Tom Saguto's stack & tilt formula...I recently became interested in the Venetos system and experimented with a "high hands", single plane, Moe Norman type set-up....This is where the lightbulb went on for me!!!...I'll never go back to either the traditional set-up or the stack and tilt technique...The Venetos system combined with a one plane address has opened the door for a consistent draw shot using every club in my bag...Including the driver...Kudos Mr. Venetos!!!
@@tonyshans2226 interesting so setup is closed with weight forward but you’ve adjusted your grip and relation to the club? Glad to hear it’s clicking!
I’ve been working with Jim for a year. You need to pivot o to your lead foot and pull your trail foot back a little. Jim also suggests you start with swings no more than thigh high until you get used to STILLNESS. The results are incredible.
Yes my brain and body definitely fight stillness.
Nice effort. Your initial positive results are indicators that the system works, the misses you had are indicators that you’d benefit from formally learning the system.
I suggest being more closed in the set up, swinging easier in the downswing and signing up for my school so you can learn the system properly. 👊
Thanks for the feedback 👍🏻. I will start with exploring a more closed setup as you suggest. Man I feel so closed already lol. Going to be a mental battle.
I've been a JVGA member for two years. I also saw Jim's channel and was attracted initially by the simplicity. I'm a true believer now. It is simple and repeatable - way less moving parts. Playing the best golf of my life so far and the journey is just begun.
@@johnkloian6995 excellent to hear. Thanks for the share 👍🏻
It’s works was taught the inverted k weight kept on left side. Your dispersion is great.
What lauch monitor is yhet😊
@@jcbates6567 Original Skytrak
I'm a JV member. Joined last November. Started using this swing due to severe back pain/issues. It takes awhile for the brain to adjust to the alignment. Make sure you have your face square to your target at address. It may appear very closed and hooded, but it's not. Keep the weight on the left side (right handed golfer) and keep still. I just played today. 76. For a 8 HC, I'll take it every day. You will not strike every shot perfect. No one does. Your misses will be online. Worst that happens is short and almost always an easy up and down. I wish I would have "discovered" this swing years ago. I will never go back to conventional.
Amen, Sparkdog👍
Great stuff thank you !
I was a member a few years ago, it definitely changed my perception and awareness of the swing plane and body position in motion and made me a better golfer. I don't use it in what would be the strict sense but still always use it in a sort of personal hybrid swing.
I found his initial videos interesting and thought it might help with back pain. I am not in his academy. I started at end of the year 2023 and committed to using his philosophy 100%. When I stay still ( still hard) the ball flight is beautiful and higher. My scores have been a little higher than normal 12-14 handicap but recently broke 80 for first time using his method. Chipping has improved as has bunker play. I am 68 years old and now hitting my wedge 125 yards on average and 56 degrees 95.
Stick with it. You will love the high ball draw flight.
I used to be a very good short game player but developed the yips and in the bunker too. Today I got up and down from off the green 4 of 5 times. Haven’t done that in a decade. I am subscribing to your channel to see your journey. Enjoy. Coacchh
Thanks for the input . Has it helped with your back pain?
I started the “switch” two months ago. Currently a 19 handicap and realizing more consistent ball striking with every iron and really hammering hybrids, woods and driver. Looking forward to this season and going from 19 to 15 by end of season. Ted L.
Love the confidence this swing is bringing you. Fantastic!
i’ve been playing this swing. I LOVE IT when i maintain stillness and stay closed. My results are ALWAYS positive.
@@brandonpauljohnson3585 Another success story ✅
@@GolfQuestChannel Every video on his site has 99% positive comments...no accident indeed..
@ come to think of ya I don’t remember anything negative. Unless he deletes those lol. Just kidding.
I've been setting up his way for about a year now...the hardest parts to get used to are keeping the shoulders quiet until AFTER impact. Also, work on ball position...there is a sweet spot for beautiful shots.
Jim also states in one of his videos, that the better golfer you are, you dont need to stand so deeply closed. You also dont need to swing hard, I find my best shots are with about 80% effort. Good Luck bro.
As for your swing...it did look like you were a little quick with the shoulders opening up through impact...thats why it helps to slow it down to start.
Thanks. I do find ball position tough. When you close it feels like the ball becomes further ahead almost. At least to me.
I'm not a JV member, but watching his TH-cam videos made it possible for me to continue playing golf, with the JV swing after I had back surgery. Thank you Jim Venetos, and to Golf Quest for spreading the word about the JV Swing
Wow great to hear.
I tried to employ Jim's swing technique and although I didn't have much success with the full swing, I did have tremendous success using his technique for chipping and bunker play.
@@tmacphd7871 really? Very interesting. I would never have guessed it would help with bunker play in particular. Fairway or green side bunkers? Or both?
@@GolfQuestChannel I used to blade my chips across the green and or chunk my pitches. I would typically do the same when in a bunker. I realized when trying Jim's lead arm dominant swing technique, especially the stillness component, that it took my dominant right arm out of the process and as such, let the swing just happen. The reason I'm not having the same success with the full swing, I believe, is that my brain gets in the way telling me I need to hit a certain yardage and as such, I keep attempting to use my right hand to add power to the swing rather than just let it happen, as I do with chipping and pitching I describe above. I'm working on it though-:)
I have been watching his videos, practicing in the backyard and find his method fascinating. The closed stance allows for an easy inside out swing path with minimal effort. I like the keeping your body still.
It's fascinating for sure. Have you tried it on course yet?
95 yard sand wedge is amazing! Love to see more swings with different clubs. You also had a pretty consistent tight draw, just like Jim describes it!
@@Drums-yz4ss thank you. More to come. 👍🏻
I did not enroll either, but I have followed a lot and I have practice this swing a lot. And I can tell you two things. First, and Jim will say don't do this, you can incorporate some of these ideas into your swing. If you stay still on the front leg and stay closed, those are definitely his key ideas. But I must say I have had some significant success with the swing when I've decided to use it.
I have tried Jim's swing on my last two rounds. I am 82 years old and not flexible. I have to protect my back. My golf has gone downhill at an increasing rate for the last few years. The first round I was just trying to get the feel of this "new" swing and shot about my usual score, mid 80"s from the forward tees. Yesterday I was back at it and things started to fall in place. I shot a 79 and did not hurt all over as is normal. Tired yes, it was 100 degrees when I finished. This is something I feel will extend my golf life.
Wow those are pretty fast results. Nicely done.
Interested to see your journey with this method (subbed so I can). I dabbled with it last year but reverted back to more traditional methods. Ball striking suffering recently so thinking of going back to it. I hit some of my purest ever shots trying this last year.
I think it’s challenging to stick with something so unique. Especially without enrolling in Jim’s academy. One thing I find challenging is swinging this way with woods. I find it very hard to keep still. Thanks for the sub 👍🏻
@@GolfQuestChannel keep going with it. I actually hit fairway woods incredibly well with the method but less so with driver which is ultimately why I went back to more traditional methods. Golftestdummy has a good series on the JVGA swing. Take a look if you haven't already. Jim doesn't keep completely still if you watch in slow motion. On the backswing his body is pretty still (although watch his right foot) but on the downswing his hips move forward and his feet also move of course. To say he is 100% still is not correct. The key is that you don't move your weight back but keep it forward and then more forward on the downswing with closed shoulders.
@@jimwocha4949 excellent thank you
I tried the JV swing a couple years back. Forward weight, closed for inside out still swing. Played some of my best golf that year. Particularly my short game (120 yds in). Saw most improvement. Not feeling I was getting the power I wanted, I moved on. Now, after going through a frustrating season of golf and now experiencing back pain, I’ve returned. This time, I’m staying. Hitting the ball pure with less strain on my body, just makes sense.
It's funny, I enjoy exploring it but I'm definitely hesitant to jump in with both feet. I probably should just take the plunge.
I played with this swing for first time today - I am 73 and struggle with lower back pain - this swing is definitely kinder to my back. I hit some very good iron shots and bump and roll shots and I chip much better. However I struggled with the driver so I need to spend time on the range to sort this out. This will be my swing now as I feel it will allow to play and walk the course again.
That sounds like excellent news. I haven't figured out the driver either.
Yes I tried it and it definitely works
I fiddled around with this method for the last couple of seasons. I hadn't played for about 3 weeks and went out this last Sunday and shot 79, par 72. The wind was blowing at 15mph with gusts of 25. It is the simplest method requiring the least amount of practice once you know how to stay still and trust it.
@@sosandberg5713 wow very nice. I find trusting it hard so far
@@GolfQuestChannel Yea, at 65 years old from the mid tees. The other key is to swing on your shoulder line.
on the shots you had the baby fade, from teh overhead shot it looks as though your trail shoulder was activating just a bit too early. You also need to puul your trail foot back a little. I've been working on Jim's method now since the beginning of this year. My accuracy has improved, I've gained 25-30 metres with my driver. At the moment I'm working on Jim's chipping and pitching method to see if I can actually get a short game.
Interesting. I’ll take another look at those fade swings. Good luck with the short game 👍🏻
You've got great camera angles. Yes, the swing helps draw the ball especially for people that don't have good eye hand coordination. However
testing it out is one thing reducing your score must be the objective.
Stay Still.
David E. Riley
Thank you. Ya tinkering is a lot different than relying on it for every shot on course and (as you point out) scoring better. Who knows - time will tell I guess 👍🏻
I've been experimenting with Jim's methods and it definitely works but the main thing is, getting over the mental hurdle that I'm aiming way out to the right. And that's all it is, is a mental hurdle. Because when you set up weight forward, closed stance, and stay as still as possible, you will hit nice draw shots. I love how his method of pre setting impact simplifies things.
@@danield888 absolutely
I’ve been trying his swing for over a year and I love it, especially on irons. I do a little mix of JV and Moe Norman though. Lean left closed and stay still like JV, straight arms like Moe. Most consistent I’ve ever played. Since I’m over 50, it is great on my back.
A combo with the great Moe Norman. Excellent.
@@GolfQuestChannel I've been using the JVGA swing for two years now and I've had several folks comment that I remind them of Moe. I've never hit the ball so well
I just started in the online program and I love it. 70 year old high handicapper hitting irons so much better, driver still a bit of a problem but working on it. I certainly hit the ball farther and crisper.
That’s excellent to hear
I use this swing, I find ball position a little further back in my stance gives me the slight draw every time.
I find moving the ball position back a bit helps too
I am exactly the same as you: RH in everything but golf and baseballl, swing LH and feel like my RH is in control. I enrolled in Jim’s school and find it fantastic. I’m to the point when I hit consistent tight draws with all the short and mid irons and in the learning process for the long irons and hybrid/woods. I used to have an inconsistent swing and sometimes completely lost my swing. With Jim’s method you always have a basis to fall back on and accomplish consistency with a predictable shot path. The secret of being still with weight forward at about 90% is that the bottom of the arc is always at the same point, combined with a swing path that is always inside out (due to the closed setup), a draw is guaranteed.
So far, I have lowered my handicap about 5 in a little bit over 2 months.
That is tremendous progress. Well done. It’s funny - so many times I hear that the driver and longer irons are the issue. I wonder what the key is for those.
@@GolfQuestChannel the driver is actually not an issue, that one is still a bit weird but solid draws with that club. 5i, 4h are a bit of a problem, 5w, 3w and driver are awesome!
@@MaFaKeys excellent thanks for clarifying
I made change to Jim’s method about two years ago and cut my score at least ten strokes
@@coleyepperson8259 a Amazing!
I’m in his school. You start with small swings not full swings. I’m left handed. I just get a bit of knee pain due to the pivot on the inside of my left knee.i usually I do stack and Tilt where you put your weight on your front leg. This is similar. I find the ball just pops off the club. He tells you not to swing hard.,
Knee pain on your lead leg? That sounds a bit concerning.
guy is not doing it right..younare not pivoting around your left knee....you can see from jim s and your video that there is far fewer contortions etc than a regular swing..ps...
Aim a little left to the target when baby drawing. That’s what Jim taught me.
Noted thank you.
aim left as a righty or for a lefty?
Left as a lefty. (Im right handed lefty) 😁
The swing at 8:50.... you're not closed enough, and the face of the club is open to the line. Remember, the face will look very closed because of the alignment process. It's easier if you line up like your normal swing, face to target, then close your stance, then regrip, not changing the face.
I’ll have a look. Thanks 👍🏻
Is it still square to target.
@@rickdeangelo4741 it’s supposed to be I believe
It is interesting that Jim recommends keeping the weight on the left side. I wonder if Jim has ever used a pressure matt to see of the pressure really stays there. and if the degree of pressure changes during his swing.
@@williamreichert4798 that’s actually a really interesting idea. He should do a video on it.
Hi, I haven't any experience of the Venetos method, but, like you, I have been watching his short videos and wondering about his claims, only in the last week or so. So I was very interested to see your video. I haven't had chance to get to the range and give it a go but I definitely will. I'm a fairly new golfer and still trying to find something that works well for me. Looking at his website though, $69 per month seems pretty pricey for an online course. I think you need to be pretty sure that it's going to benefit you before you sign up for that. Thanks again. New subscriber. 👍
I completely agree with you. I’m tempted to try the website but it isn’t cheap. Thanks for the comment and the sub!
@@GolfQuestChannel I’ve been a student for over 2 years and he’s an amazing coach.
@@AprilWeiland great to hear. Perhaps I need to splurge and try it out
@@GolfQuestChannel happy to answer any questions you may have.
My experience with Jim's academy was a dismal failure. I couldn't grasp it. I have tried so many swing methodologies and have not found one that works for me.
I was a JV member and my game improved then I came across what is called channel lock and it was free. I like free also. Channel lock and JV are similar but CL was more repeatable for me. CL eliminates the left side which is good on the course I play. The biggest benefit was I had my first under par round from blue tees with CL.
I’ve never heard of channel lock. I’ll have to investigate. Under par? Nice!
I've been trying this as I'm plagued by lower back/sciatica problems so trying to cut down on rotation.
This works but Jim says to keep majority of weight on front foot. Hope this isn't a daft question but how do I do that without also tilting my spine twds front side to get the weight over there?
Thanks.
@@davepotter5679 not at all - I think it’s a solid question. I think you can shift laterally without much lean. I mean you can “bump” forward but lean back to compensate (just in general). Having said all that - I am far far from an expert. I’m just going down this exploratory journey myself. Maybe other viewers will have the definitive answer.
Thanks for the reply, so it's more of a front hip shift above front foot and spine tilted slightly away from target to get weight on front foot?
@@davepotter5679 honestly I’m not sure at this point - just saying I could see that being one way to not tilt forward. Jim almost looks like he leans into his front side a touch though so maybe there is a bit of a lean. I’ll have to watch carefully on his future vids. 👍🏻
Im in Australia and did his course a couple of years ago. I went from 36 to 12 in 18 months, (66 yo now). Gave up golf in the 80s as my back was too sore and only took it up again after Jim saying it protects your back. It does.
I tend to miss approach shots now, always to the right and dont know how to fix it. No pro here teaches it, so its a bit frustrating.
As a result, handicap has gone out to 15, but playing to 18, I recon.
When I was young, in the 80s I was a 27 handicap at best so I can say that Jims method works.
Its not as easy as you think though. Ive spent many hours working on the swing path, takeaway etc in an attempt to get the ball to return to those draws I had 12 months ago.
Also, whats that launch monitor you use please. Looks great
Thanks
Brendon
Thanks for detailing your journey. I love hearing peoples stories about this swing. I use a skytrak (original). It’s great because it doesn’t require a lot of space so it works for my smaller garage. If you have any other questions let me know. 👍🏻
Update...since i posted, im right back on track and recon i can get back to single figures soon. My clubface was too open on address and Ive refocussed on keeping all my weight on front leg. No backpain at all and i hit hundreds off balls a week.
So i would say its taken 3 years to perfect but in saying that, my matescare still mid 20 hcps after 40 years! I could not of done this sithout Jims methods and my own determination.
Should you square your clubs relative to your target at set up ?????
I believe so, although one viewer said that Jim promotes a 10 degree open clubface. I am playing with both.
another version on getting on your left side, and turn your right hip away from the target at the SETUP...it other words, this is a set up that eliminates 2 necessary motions in the downswing. All you have to do is swing your arms as the other motions are already in position. It works great for the irons and FW ...but not the driver ( in my opinion ). I used this in golf tournaments when I am nervous and don't always make a good pivot and shoulder turn
@@dogloverjb6873 yes the driver always seems to be the issue.
Ok never heard of Jim V but on my own I decided my right shoulder was too far towards the ball and causing me to cast the club out causing a out to in divot. Started pushing my right shoulder pushed back. Boom less fatties and a perfect straight divot
Excellent. Im a lefty so for me it’s my left shoulder but definitely have to fight it from getting to far forward
Yes i have ,but not sure about ball position
@@willielandry that’s something I’m still wrestling with too
I tried last year and started playing well ...until I cowardly packed it in as golf friends put me off...I'm going to be brave and try it again
@@kevd4noo hey I totally get it. It’s hard to go against the grain especially when it looks strange.
Can you tell me if your club head at address is at the same angel as your shoulders or pointing forward towards your target
@@TheBridget1953 I think it’s meant to be pointed at the target (not in line with shoulders)
It works for sure -- I am a member
Great to hear - thank you.
Just started, a little strange, not quite hitting baby draws, however cut my slice down by 90%, baby steps
@@johnmccormack1692 Absolutely. Good luck!
I enrolled and completed Jim’s on-line course. Like you I am left handed and honestly never got comfortable with his set-up, perhaps I never completely understood it, which is entirely possible. In your video it appears you are closing your stance by bumping your hips forward. As I recall Jim teaches a slight turn inwards. Sounds minor but this is where his method is confusing. If the set up and ball position is not correct, you experience the same difficulty as with a traditional swing. I wanted it to work and on occasion it did but building consistency was never achieved. Perhaps I’ll try again.
Thank you for sharing your experience with this. Appreciated!
Thanks for the video. I also watched the video on the Eureka swing that you did. The big difference is closed stance (JV swing) versus open stance (for legs) with Eureka method … with the commonality being the in-to-out swing path; but you are getting there two different ways. Curious to see which method you found easier and more repeatable.
@@tacticaltruth8118 I’ll let you know once I’m done exploring the JV swing. Another video coming soon on JV
So would you recommend this or not to cure my fat slices?
@@lageronimo8012 I would recommend trying it for sure and see what happens. I don’t believe golf has a one size fits all solution but definitely worth a try. Let me know how it goes!
Like Jim, your swing has got few moving parts. I can see you've got the majority of your weight on your lead leg like him. His non-lead leg is further back than yours, but it doesn't seem to be an issue for you. I think your set-up and swing looks great and the resulting ball flight supports it. Win Win.
@@mikecrook8434 thank you. Now if I could get the same results with longer clubs….
Got it. except inconsistance with driver otherwise great
How long have you been using the swing? Thanks for the comment.
Jim’s the real deal
@@TheRickurb I also appreciate his playing videos so you can see his swing in action out on the course.
@@GolfQuestChannel hell yeah!
I had a private playing lesson with him about six or seven years ago. Playing with him is really eye-opening.
@@TheRickurb that would be a cool experience
@@GolfQuestChannel it really was. I tried to get him to hang out and get drunk with me, but he wasn’t having any of it, lol!
i always wondered why guys wanted to hang out and get drunk..maybe hey need o walk the course o get some exercise.
Also tried the eureka golf swing and that never worked for me
JV always sets the club with his trail
hand, then grips it with his lead hand. This appears to close his shoulders more.
Okay I didn't take note of that. Good catch. TY
Cross lateral brake with 45 degree sit that’s the stillness.
I had a few 70's rounds using this swing. But, being it's golf, your brain will always figure out a way to screw it up😮. I'm doing more of a slap release swing now so I can use more hands.
Lol isn’t that the truth. My brain always gets in the way! What is this slap release? Any video links you can post as a reference?
@@GolfQuestChannel th-cam.com/video/hXpX-yPJJOU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=T-C8YgbXj3S-7kgd
Marcus Edblad teaches a system similar to Mike Malaska. Using right hand for power and accuracy.
I thought Jim said to set the club face first to the target and then drop your trailing foot back a bit a close the shoulders. Your club face appears to be in line with your feet and shoulders, I.e. out to the left. At least that is what I thought Jim instructed.
I tried to do as you have said more in my second follow up video.
The key is to swing out at the ball...the results are amazing
@@jonstoops5850 can you elaborate on this? I’m not sure I know what you mean.
Hardest part for me is not letting my right side take over. Old habits die hard.
Indeed
Marcus Edblad circle of speed
What's not to like about this swing??
@@savaii4menow well how strange it feels / looks takes getting used to for sure
Venetose!! Low backspin was strange. You always seem to have pretty low backspin on the wedges but that's really low.
Yes some were extreme. I’ll have to see if that trend continues.
As per Jim’s instructions. It’s best to start his method with chipping rather than full swings.
Yes, I do know this but I’m just anxious / impatient to get going
@@GolfQuestChannel I can appreciate that. But the sequence of learning at the Academy is important,. Imagine baking a loaf of bread and waiting until after it’s baked to let it rise.
You got the club wide open on your first shot just saying
Shit. That first shot! Lol. Online, 1 deg off line. 92 yards.. lol.. yeah…..
😂😂 everyone over exaggerates the set up 😂… does Jim V look like his hips and legs are locked ?NO ..
anyone I watch trying JimV #stillness swing they don’t get it … You don’t need to maintain your closed stance .. maintainnstillness !!! Until you have got past impact - then release the club & finish in a high balanced position !
If you are still, how can you not maintain a closed stance until post impact? If the stance changes, then by definition you are not being still right?
sounds right....Confucius said the same thing.
Hey Golf Quest, I just watched your video and I must say that it was really informative and well-made.
I was wondering if I could help you edit your videos and repurpose your long videos into highly engaging shorts? I can also make high CTR thumbnails for your channel
Thanks for comment but editing is part of the hobby 👍🏻
Jim even swings easier. Check out the video where he barely does half swings for a round. His distances match my full swing (140 7 iron).
@@RBLoweVide I think I saw the first half of that video actually - good stuff.
You’re saying that you you’re not swing that hard, but to me it looks like you’re swinging out of your shoes. Jim states that you shouldn’t swing hard at all and focus on the stillness and staying closed through impact. To me it looks like you are not closed through impact but already in line with the target. Therefore your shots look straight rather than a draw shape?
Interesting. I definitely wasn’t swinging out my my shoes but maybe I could try logging lighter. Most of my shots draw. Not massive draws but draw spin. I’ll keep tinkering.
I did the school for over a year. As tracked by Arcos, my "handicap" per shot type, compared to the year before I joined, were:
putting: 18->12
chipping: 10->5
approach: 38->15 (not a typo)
long irons: 25->25
hybrids/woods: 15->30 (also not a typo)
driver: 14->40 (also not a typo)
Overall
So short irons and short game benefited but long game suffered. Interesting data for sure
@@GolfQuestChannel Suffered might be an understatement. Made golf "not fun" seems about right.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the swing method. No reason it can't work for long game. I saw it work for long game, fleetingly. I do think there are severe issues with the coaching methodology.
Where is your club face pointing
I was trying to keep it facing the target.
Ur not turning chest back as far as he does ie not closed enough at setup
I honestly feel like there is no way I could be more closed.
If it works it works. Crack on.
For sure 👍🏻
Reviewed your swing. Keep the weight on your target leg, your shifting a wee bit. I can't stress enough. Keep the weight on your target leg. Slow down the transition....like Fred Couples.
I’ll try!
I am trying Venetos method , and don’t get the jest of the method. Not working for me .
How long have you tried it for?
Hey Partner ur not even close to performing the swing …what you’re doing here is a traditional swing with a closed stance …which is fine if it helps but just the tip of the ice berg in the jv swing
Great. Elaborate so I can move in the correct direction.
Key? Keep trail hip in place. Do not turn or move it.
Interesting. I guess this makes sense.
Golf Test Dummy tested it for 2-3 months. (When you hit, don’t let the club be open to get a baby draw) 👍
Thanks for the comment and tip. Cheers.
I correct me if I’m wrong but your club face looks to be open
In this video it may have been slightly - in the next video I try to have it closed more. It feels so closed though due to the setup. A lot of weird feelings to overcome.
petty we cant see a face on view.
@@LeslieGreenwood-bu9tn that would be an interesting shot
Sooooo, either he is a low handicap golfer already, or this video sponsored by JVGA
I am a mid handicap golfer (12) and, no, this video is not sponsored. Although a sponsorship would be nice 😁
ironically, your attempt at putting down the venettos method proves how good it is. If you don't like the venettos method go pay.a lot of money to get a pro to mess up your swing.
This is crap! Let me know when every professional golfer sets up for every shot 45 degrees closed to the target 🤣 Good ball strikers can use this method to hook a ball around trees to get back in play, but it does nothing to help the average high handicapper. GTFO with this crap!
Follow up question - have you ever tried it out?
Don’t think this is aimed at the professional golfer😂
I would steer clear of his method. Save yourself some dinero
Did you try it with poor results?
there are always these negative posters re the jim venettos mehod. I also find these same guys post negative comments re Michael Breed the pga teacher who was on the golf channel (golf fix)..you have to wonder if these guys are jealous fellow pga teaching pros...lol