CRAIGMILLAR - Down But Not Out - 1984
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- CRAIGMILLAR - Down But Not Out
This is a documentary first aired on STV around about 1984 as a Scotland Today Report.
Focusing on the social problems in the Craigmillar area, this film features interviews with local activists and residents including Helen Crummy, David Brown, Mickey MacPherson and Richard D’arcy and the Gormley family.
Thanks to Reg and Muriel Wilkinson for donating this film for upload which will soon be available on the Craigmillar Gold TH-cam channel and also thanks to Johnni Stanton and Hilary Morrison from the Craigmillar Archives.
Uploaded by Billy McKirdy
My Dad was brought up here and my Gran and Grandad lived in Newcraighall, it was a pretty scary place but to be fair I never actually had any bother as in spite of appearances there were a lot of decent folk living there
We lived in newcraighall for yrs in the 80's brought up in niddrie & moved back to niddrie b4 I left in 96
I lived in wauchope place till 1966 I loved craigmillar we left when I was 11yrs old through no choice of our own but had some great friends and great memories 👍
A FRIEND OF MINE LIVED IN WAUOPE TERRACE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, HE LOVED IT AS WELL.
Helen Crummy, was an exceptional individual.
Steve Burgess, met him for the first time in 1966.
Started as a welfare officer for the Edinburgh children's welfare (as it was once called) department.
David Brown, he was a cool, likable individual.
Gavin Strang...He spoke up for the production of "I Claudius" at one of his public meetings. Believed in what he was doing for Craigmillar.
Need more of his calibre today.
Today? In one way or another, the Edinburgh council is corrupt.
Funny you should say that about Gavin Strang, I was just thinking bring him back!
Tbf criagmiller and niddrie has tryed its best to make a effort in its area and made Huge changes and yes there is a few that still make the area bad but we are not the only place with issues
Scottish social housing is so ugly and depressing......
Lot of people had the same problems every where in the country.. Growing up in the 80s & the 70s were hard time's.. I know because I was one of them..
We make some of America’s ghettos look like paradise
I was wondering about that. Thank you for mentioning that. I am American and know that we have learned not.
I lived in niddrimill for 3yrs ,I wouldn't have left but room tax came in . I left but I still go down and I feel at home . The people who live there are wonderful friendly there's a community spirit neighbours still look out for each other . But on a down note locals are getting squeezed out and THAT is wrong
Lmao not even close
Are you having a f@#&ing laugh, the place is no where near American Ghettos. What an idiotic comment 🤦♀️🤦♀️🍆
@@katrinascott2933 I used to be the Niddrie Mill Postie in the early 60's till i migrated to Aussie land in 64.
I can remember before Kinnaird Park was built and the 14 bus went down to terminus at Newcraighall before the bridge. The drinkers used to come out of the miners club and thought it okay to board the bus without paying a penny. Seats were thrown out the top deck emergency exit as a source of entertainment. Good luck to any of the drivers who were on the 2317, 2337 or 2357 departures as it wasn't a pleasant experience and they had no protection.
Can’t tell if Edinburgh has gotten better or worse
Basically stayed the same
CRAIGMILLAR HAS HAD SERIOUS SOCIAL PROBLEMS SINCE TIME BEGAN, AND STILL HAS THEM TODAY.
The place was rough, it still is as some guy was murdered there as recently as last Thursday but these people are a product of their environment! As for the councillors back then they were as thick as shit and very ignorant as are todays with regard the green agenda and spaces for people lie under the guise of covid! Worked with a couple of folk from niddrie in the past and have to say they were as normal as the next person but wanted out of the place. Kind regards to you all. 👍😎
Note the white/silver rim on the peak of that copper's cap to denote his rank.
I loved The Cunningham twins...even married one.
@24:30 - Oh, fucking brilliant ! Can you just imagine that right outside your window ??
Take a wander doon easter rd Edinburgh it's a fun... shithole for gas ,lecci , water digging up outside your flat day and night the very same as this they dont give a toss been like this wie our shit clowncil fir years !!!
The bad auld good day's!
LMAO ! A Scots guy commented on here, and it has auto-translate into English ! :D :D
Who is the gay Bond villan? What a trip!
is the sound working on this video for others? the sound isnt playing and i have opened up another browser tab and played another videop with sound working perfectly.
11:03 - WTF ?? Look at that chain and padlock on the emergency exit doors ! Someone should have pointed it out to that copper, that is a serious breach of safety regulations !
Nothing has changed
It amuses me how Francis falconer and her husband lived in the craigmiller council house,a spit from fc.smaller houses when you go to primary school and the taller ones when going to liberton high school,they moved to Falkirk,where did they get the money?they had two boys,don't know what happened to the oldest Alan,but the youngest Eric went into the rollers.not getting all that was old,but parents leaving Eric at 15,took awhile until her sister Helen to take him in,by then he lived in a trailer and going through garbage to eat,their kids would be in a home,and they would be fined or jailed.
I had a girlfriend in Craigmiller circa 1974 Me being from Morningside lol. Used to shit myself going to visit her with mobs of YGT and Niddrie Terror running about. And the Occasional Inche Cumbie mob visiting, was a warzone
Worked there repairing the wee fences outsides their houses for months
And how is it today? Watching this breaks my heart that councils didn't do enough but quick to be corrupt. It sickens me that a MP is on the council and doesn't do a damn thing in Parliament to make it's city or state better.
Mostly knocked down!
It's mostly all gone. All new houses to look more modern, with all the same problems today as we had back then. Its not just in Niddrie its in almost every housing estate in Scotland!
Although it's quire nostalgic to watch this, I grew up in the 80's just outside Edinburgh and it was no better where I lived only more concentrated in Craigmillar.
New houses, old problems, not much has changed
I grew up in niddrie/Craigmillar back then & I loved it.Davy brown,my auld man put him on his arse in newcraighall miners club in the late 80's lol..YNT
Scumbag
My grandad was the cole man it got a lot worse in the late 80’s
And let me get this straight the council and goverment back then complained the area was awful and whatever else but yet also moaned how doing community projects cost to much god wow if ur not helping a area dinne have the cheek to complain about it wow
Exactly 😂 it’s like the deaf leading the blind!! Sad thing is our government hasn’t really changed its mentality, there are probably even more rundown areas in the uk now than there were back then 🙄
dont you think Gene Hunt didnt do enough to fix the blue peter garden
The coments lol, big us up, we was um.
Good see it did get houses 50 year later but niddrie people are sound
Ande
@12:27 - I bet you that coat's fake or robbed ! >:D
Was this a serious documentary ? - It almost swings over into parody.
lol that was our life, ive got family in this 😂 3rd world
I lived 2 miles up the road at Newton Village in 1984.. my whole family worked and to say no jobs is just not true.. we didnt sniff glue.. or break into neighbours homes. It's just a lie to say there is no hope.
I think a lot of folk do lose hope though, and turn to drugs for a quick escape but they become quickly addicted.
They think its bad then only if they coule see scotland now
I’m not sure what area of Scotland you’re from but I would disagree based on the area I’m from. In terms of MPs/government - absolutely! Thatcher might be gone but they’re all still a bunch of greedy pricks 🙄
@@leighirvine everyone is so down though drugs and alcohol are the only way out
@@ohandanotheronebitesthedus6247 highest alcohol and drug abuse in Europe I think so sad ....
@@azillliasmith2734 yep if lost 3 family members just recently to drugs
@@azillliasmith2734that's a load oh ,s,,.,.,.
It’s called cholesterol, Scottish people eat it
Councillor Ralph Brereton, another out of touch, rich politician, so not a new phenomenon 🙄
I was 16 in 1984 cutting about Edinburgh. Never went near this scheme but I knew characters just like those lads in Broomhouse and Wester Hailes. Started work as a factory labourer that year. Managed to get into university seven years later and have done okay since. There's always a way out if you work at it and have a wee bit savvy.
ls there a copy of 'Growing Up in Craigmillar'? Would love to see it, l mind all them laddies from back then, l was 14/15 but was in residential school, the guy with the tash was always more mature than his pals were. x :)
A wonderful trip back in time.
Bring back memories they old buildings
God bless Evo-Stick the old guy in our town that had the hardware shop had pallets of the stuff through the back and as he took your cash would say I hope your not sniffing that boys lol
The posh man could have done more then
"We the city council......" at 13:00 He certainly dosen't have to live without. What people were not listening to was that the lack of employment was and still is a huge issue for many areas not just Craigmillar. When people have no self worth due to circumstances outwith their control it is not easy to live.
Nothing changes, the Queen obviously needs more money so of course scotland will suffer.
God everyone was well spoken in the 80s here lol
I love that guy with the ornamental garden, hes got a great approach to life
These were awful times. So many lovely people struggling against all the odds. And so many fine people doing all they could to alleviate the pain of it all
That's true ❤
"The Gormleys" ? >:D
Thats were ma family are fa and still stay in Niddrie well a was born and Breed in Bingham a moved out in 93 wish a could move back a stay in Muirhouse now but ive heard ma old sunny Bingham is worse then Muirhouse now Bingham was the best place to be brought up?
I remenber all the AIDS cases .. it was very sad state of affiairs... thank the lord I was a child and never interaxcted with drug use like that .. but many youngsters parents were all dying..
English guy on first inpection looks posh and dodgy
As you hear him speak... He sounds spot on
Aye - Posh and dodgy 😂😂😂
1984 there was loads of police to arrest miners
Stuart Dignan R.I.P MA AULD PAL YNT AND JUNIOR DARCY
If the old man's garden was green and white it would be wrecked. Definitely a blue nose area.
It's Edinburgh not Glasgow yet fanny 🙄
A scheme of zombies 😂