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It's always interesting how many Christians completely ignore the Torah and other Jewish religious concepts that are what is essentially the grandfather of Christianity and Islam.
Bit late to the party on this one, but Maltese has two similar sounding words, and is a Semitic language. Xoghol (sh awe l) = work or business Xolja (sh o lia) = to dissolve, terminate. Hope this helps.
@@GameTimeWhy They don't ignore them. They cherry-pick. They do that with the New Testament, too. Furthermore, they pick out the verses that confirm what they already want people to believe. To be fair, there is so much contradiction in the Bible that anybody who wishes to follow it kind of has to cherry-pick.
Thank you very much for a physical reference to Kur. Looks like just like Abydos of Egypt, it originally was a geographical location. Thank you very much. 🌺
After watching this, I called my mom and asked her how she knew this word enough to use it regularly in the 70's. "Sheol? No, when I was talking about the trailer park we lived in, I was saying 'sh*thole."
Thank you for a laugh via the subjective nature of language and interpretation. I forever thought that the song winter wonderland featured a brown snowman named Parson and that the colloquialism was "bowl in a china shop" obviously to much apathetic confusion
This reminds me that the Quran (Surah al-Baqarah:96) claims of Jews that "You will surely find them clinging to life more eagerly than any other people, even more than polytheists."" As a secular Jew, I remember being struck when reading that in the Quran as an adult, remembering that growing up nobody in my Jewish family or at any Synagogue I went to ever talked about the afterlife at all, in striking contrast to the absolutely constant talk about the afterlife in just about every other major religion, and especially in Christianity, Islam, and seemingly every other smaller Abrahamic religion. I think it is true. It isn't that Jews don't believe in an afterlife, it's just that it isn't considered important. It is just assumed that since God is Good, whatever happens after death will sort itself out as it should, and there's no need or desire to talk about it. Judaism has laws and commandments and so on, of course, but the Law is considered good in itself just because it is good, not because it will get you into heaven or get you any other reward after death. Unlike atheism though, Jews and Judaism do assume something happens after death, and that eventually somehow there will be some sort of day of judgement or something like that, Jews and Judaism just don't care exactly what it might be like, as long as a good God is presiding over it. It's more of a "be good for goodness sake" approach. I asked about what Judaism said about the afterlife when I was a kid, and everybody seemed totally bored by the question. I wouldn't have even asked probably if I didn't have Christian and Muslim friends. I've always found it very strange that this is so unusual among religions, and especially among Abrahamic religions when Judaism is the original and oldest Abrahamic religion. The only other religion that seems to take the same approach as Judaism is Shinto, where the Shinto priests are very concerned about morality but likewise seem to just be totally bored by questions about the afterlife and just kind of shrug and direct the questioner to go ask the Buddhists. My Conservative Jewish aunt told me as a kid that Christianity and Islam were religions of death which rejected God's visible creation and longed for a different one after death, while Judaism was a religion of life which affirmed and celebrated the visible creation of God and called people to sanctify and celebrate it in the here and now, and worship God primarily for what He has already done and continues to do, rather than only loving God instrumentally, merely in an attempt to avoid future punishment or gain future compensation. She thought the Christian doctrine of original sin didn't make any sense, and that we always had a continual free choice about whether we were going to participate in creating a better world or a worse one. She thought it didn't make any sense that a Good God would create an intrinsically bad world, or people so flawed they would inevitably sin, so this world had to have the potential in it to be fundamentally and entirely good if we did all we could to sanctify and repair it, and that every human life as such, in this world, at any time or place in history, had to likewise have the potential in it to be a complete blessing on the person who lived it and upon all those around them, such that it would be better to have lived that life and then gone to heaven, than to have merely gone to heaven (or paradise, or whatever) without having the opportunity and blessing of living that life in this world first.
I'm afraid your conservative jewish aunt was wrong, and I suggest you read the Quran with sincerity, and a sincere heart will realise Islam is the truth.
Most have no idea what you mean. What have you learned from others translations of Bible? I often learn something about myself.sometimes not... Sometimes I learn something much later that reminds me of some obscure comment then suddenly it all are sense. It was connected all along.
@@davidfryer9359 there's much to learn on oneself in the Bible, I agree. What I mean is that there are certain words with no consensus about their translation. Nonetheless Christians have interpreted their meaning to fit their narrative. But if we don't translate those words the Bible becomes much more interesting. Mauro Biglino, who in the past worked for Edizioni Paoline translating the ancient Hebrew from the Bible into Italian has a lot to say about that.
@@ClaudioWho I love that thought. Remember though, Abraham was an outright Sumerian from Ur. His first language was Sumerian. His father was a high priest to the g-d EN.LIL. So Abraham spoke the Masculine divine language of that diety. So when I come across a word that I am not satisfied with its Hebrew meaning, I often search the Sumerian for a possible fit. Ancient Hebrew is challenging to read and understand. I am not trying to re-invent the wheel. I am doing it as not to drive myself insane with the desire to know more and more. Sometimes I find words whose etymology include Sumerian, Akkaidian they borrowed Sumerian words which soon transformed into a Semitic version. Then the words morphed into Assyrian, Babylonia Aramaic, and then ancient Hebrew. But the bottom line is the lesson imparted to us an individuals.. what does it mean to me? My approach may be unorthodox, but it is a sincere approach!
Anyone who apologizes for mixing Latin and Greek, but then does it anyway for the sake of linguistic creativity is worth my admiration. I am addicted to your channel.
Man I feel you on the whiskey break. I really feel as if decisions like that are why I was completely baffled by the Bible as a child. When people explained what they thought it meant, that made plenty of sense. Then I would read the actual book and be like "where did you get that idea?". It really seems like a lot of modern religious institutions have become cults of creative interpretation rather than places for religious traditions to be understood and preserved.
I know exactly how you feel. Growing up in Protestantism, the Bible Study was at the center of our youth and college gatherings. Every study was the same; we would have a topic or a doctrine that we were studying and the pastor would jump around from one book of the Bible to the next in both the old and new testament making us read "proof texts" of what he was trying to teach. It seemed like we were trying to force together bits and pieces of completely unrelated texts out of context to try to weave together a narrative of why the Bible supposedly supported a certain doctrine or theology. I always find it amusing when fundamentalists of any religious sect claim that the Bible "CLEARLY" supports their dogmas when there are over 30,000 different sects with different interpretations. The Roman Catholics attempt to overcome this problem by saying that Jesus established their Church as the "one true Church" and therefore they are only theologians who have the authority to interpret the Bible. How convenient...simply shut down debate by denying people who disagree with you any divine authority to interpret scriptures.
@@randyjones3050 of course, the catholics can just point to millerites, fundamentalists, biblical literalists etc as what you get if the theologians are interpreting the text sans contact with the history of interpretation
I LOVE YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR!!! You're so seriously minded and academic in your content and then there's a joke, and often a witty and intellectual joke too!! They catch me of guard every time! And I love it!
You should get into comparative theology, it’s so much fun and interesting. A good book to start from is Living Religions of the World, by Frederick Spiegelberg. I’m not particularly religious either but that book was so fun to read and learn about all the different sects in other religions.
@@moumous87 Well, it should. Can you imagine liking a fantasy book, but read only a few tasty parts and cool quotes, then try to convince everyone to abandon every other fantasy book out there to join your 'one book' book club? This level of willful ignorance maddening 🙃
Not only have you provided useful information on the nature of Sheol but you have also added the word Necromantrix to my vocabulary. Thank you on both accounts
Yup! I have to confess I have been educated beyond repair. 3 Masters & Two Stints of ill fated PHD studies. I’ve encountered some truly great Professors. You are definitely in that Winners Circle. Truly. If I could buy you a Chair in some University I would do it. Not possible. But I will get my shit together & make a donation. You are quite something!
0:39 As someone who used to be a Christian preacher and who has read the Dharmapada, this statement resonates with the core of my studies since leaving the churches. I had to leave the Christian churches in order to grow in my faith in YHVH, because their teachings are so contrary to what the scriptures say. Lately I have been pressed in the Ruach to copy out the Torah by hand, that way I can truly understand the heart of Elohim without the perversions of modern day preachers. Shalom, brother. Much thanks for your work
Just seek Jesus, be filled with the holy spirit who gives clarity, revelation and understanding of all truth! The living word of God is all truth and seek his holy spirit for the interpretation and understanding of his truth! Do not lean to your own understanding, strange doctrine or mankind's philosophy and understanding or else you will be led astray with itching ears! Remember that God will not send anyone to you (human or other worldly) with or give anyone a new revelation that can't be backed up by the Bible or contradicts the Bible! Take everything to him in prayer for his council before allowing it to be planted in your heart, spirit and mind! ❤🙏
I was educated in Poland, and I remember studying the concept of Sheol quite extensively as a teen. Mainly through religious education but also as part of studying the Polish language (which included studying literature from around the world, we just read and discussed it in Polish). In the Polish translation of the Bible, the word Sheol (Szeol) was not translated, and its meaning had to be investigated to be understood. My understanding of this word is exactly the same as what you presented in this video, and this realisation made me feel really grateful for the fantastic teachers I've had throughout my education. Thank you for creating and sharing this amazing content, you and your work are so important! ❤️
Dr. Sledge, I am enraptured by your channel. I very much enjoy your work, the research as well as the delivery are appreciated... well, as much as a non-specialist can possibly grasp your subject matter. Thank you for your exhaustive efforts toward secular education, giving this lowly student a chance of understanding. Were I granted the legendary dinner party with 12 people of my choosing, you would be seated between Marie Laveau and Joan of Arch. Peace, Shalom and my wish for the kindest rest of your visit to these dimensions. As predicted by the profits, We shall meet on that beautiful shore.
Same here, this channel is amazing. Stay strong, it gets better. I used to be in a state where the suffering was so intense that the thought of death started to bring solance, not fear, yet each day is better than the previous one. Good luck to you.
@@thephonecalls9856 I am there now & have been for about 3 years now…it is definitely getting better though. It used to be everyday thoughts of “permanent rest” were a relief, now it’s not as frequent! Thanks for your honesty, feels good to know someone understands!
@@cleft_3000 it definitely gets better, although it seems you are at the borders of human existence, seen too much and there's no going back. Right now I'm much better place than when I wrote this message 7 months ago. If you don't mind, I'll share what helped me, basically a holistic approach. First, you need to get your body in the right order, nutrition is extremely important, no junk and processed foods, keeping vitamins B and D in check, Magnesium (and other elements as well, but these are the most important for the proper functioning of the nervous system). Do sports, especially outside, very long walks (up to several hours). When it comes to the mind, mindfulness is a key, good old new agey Ram Dass' "be here and be now" will do, and although I'm definitely an enemy of pop-spirituality, this is probably the only thing they got right. Learn to keep your mind in balance, most of the thoughts you think are just random, improbable, unverifiable theories. Think for yourself of course, but think only when it's necessary, instead learn how to feel. Practice going out of your head depsite what your thoughts tell you, especially when you're outside. Another important think is spiritual side, and I suggest putting an effort in spiritual development, although I also advise being careful and balancing it out, treating everything as possible theories to get grounded, and then trust your intuition and dive into what you feel is right. Just my two cents, of course your mileage may vary, I just thought that I could share what helped me. I was truly at the bottom and seriously considered suicide, yet I'm learning to be happier than ever before. You can try meds to lift you out of the worst state (I know, they're mostly poison), but in my opinion this is enough to get out of this. Sure they'll make it a bit easier, but the lifestyle, mind and spiritual change must come from the within. In the end, all this suffering will really not matter (in a good way!) so focus on making memories and do not waste your time on it, even though you have to force yourself. I know how it feels, it sounds almost impossible, I could barely get out of bed and perform basic hygiene, but once you see the light in the tunnel, you're there. Sending much love.
@@thephonecalls9856 thank you I appreciate the advice. I’m a bit impatient when it comes to “self-care” routines (even that expression itself is so…blah…) but yes it definitely does make a difference when I keep up with it. Balance is key if you can manage to keep it. Lots of love to you, friend! I am so glad to hear you’re mostly out of the woods.
I know this was posted years ago… but if you do read this Justin. It would be quite interesting to do an episode comparing death and afterlife concepts in the 3 Abrahamic Faiths. Judaism ✡️, Christianity ✝️ and Islam ☪️. Being a Muslim it will clear up lots of misconceptions or commonalities we might have in the process and after Death. Thank You Justin. Watching this during Ramadan… very insightful. May the All Mighty Bless You.
Man I’m so glad I found these esoteric channels that break down biblical etymology. I feel like I have a much better chance of understanding what I’m reading after videos like this.
I always wind up having to rewind your videos a zillion times because I get absorbed with the discussions in your video's comment threads. Your videos spur such interesting philosophical and spiritual discussions. Thank you for using your expertise and aptitude to educate internet randos like myself, it does feel like a gift and it is appreciated. ❤
As a practicing Christian Sheol has always baffled me, I’m glad I’m not the only one. I’ve been going back and forth about changing from my 1986 NIV translation to a NASV or possibly the Legacy Bible since it uses the Tetragrammaton. This makes it seem like a good idea. An interesting and mildly arcane episode would be on the names of power found in the Bible and why they are not used in the modern versions.
That's really weird to me, as somebody from a religion with a Sheol-like possibility, the ideas of Heaven and Hell are weird and unintuitive (especially your hell)
this is how it goes down... every person who has ever lived and died is now "sleeping" in Sheol. On the day of Judgment, Christ will raise the dead to be judged. Some will be saved and others will be condemned
12:45 I think we shouldn’t discount the Jewish roots of the Harrowing of Hell. The doctrine comes most clearly from Ephesians 4:9 and 1st Peter 4:6, which don’t borrow obvious Greek imagery (unless I’m way off, which, I admit, I may be). That, and the first extra-canonical source we have of the doctrine comes from the Church Father and Bishop of Sardis (a city with a large Jewish population), St. Melito of Sardis, who was notably Jewish himself.
@@1Corinthians15.1-4 My perspective doesn’t matter. It literally is just another plane of existence where the dead live - doesn’t matter if they’re good or bad. I suggest you read about Sheol in the Jewish Encyclopedia
This southern Baptist self; appreciates truth in meaning, in which you unselfishly teach versus the untold uneducated doctrine of the ignorant that I had been subject to. If you seek you will find. Lately I've come to enjoy my journey because of the search for truth. I have eyes and ears that long to see and hear. For real knowledge must be sought not taught. Thank you sir.
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Doctor Sledge, don't you think that the concept of Sheol has a striking resemblance to that of Hades for ancient Greeks? Homer describes it as a sombre place where only shadows remain, sleeping, without any conscience, apparently, only momentarily awaken, for an instant, by libations. Achilles, I think, in such a brief awakening after his death, says, if memory serves, that it is better to be the last of slaves in life than the greatest of kings in Hades (I think it's in the Odyssey). I don't mean to undermine the specificity of these beliefs, but I always felt that there is a strong resemblance. Moreover, the necromancy practices you alluded to in Ancient Israel, and later on, fought in Judas in attempts to eradicate them, remind a little, indeed, of that very practice of libations on the sepulcher of heroes in Greece. It seems that, not unlike what you describe of the momentary reappearance of Saul, heroes in Greece also had this "capacity" to reconnect with the livings for a brief moment.
They existed in the same geographical region at similar times, so there’s a bunch of cross pollination of different words an concepts. “Hades” for example can be found in a quote of Jesus and the “Styx” appears now and then too.
Existing within an overculture, transference of concepts is definitely taking place. Anubis the Boatman of Egypt is clearly the model for Charos, the Greek Boatman. The Styx is clearly mother to the four rivers of the Greek Afterlife. Other transfers and reinterpretations must have taken places, after all the Greek visual system, ie alphabet, is actually adapted Phoenician which is related to Hebrew and can be heard when spoken: Greek - alpha, beta, gamma, delta / Hebrew - Aleph, Beth, Gimel, Daleth, etc.
14:45 What jumps immediately to mind is 1st Peter 3:18-20 “Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit, *In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison:* Which had been some time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noah, when the ark was a building: wherein a few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water.” [DRCB]
I'm glad you made this video. While I have read a tiny bit on Sheol in my life, the foundation of my understanding of it was that biased NIV interpretation of the word. I'm glad to finally feel like I'm learning more about it after all these years
My two cents. Job 14:13 - O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! Job is one of the most contested, atheists love it. ... and deeply appreciate your brilliance, sharing etc. ... still a believer in Christ, no need in mince nor do you. Love the perspective, the interpretion you deliver.
I just want to say this I don't normally leave comments on TH-cam but I must say I love your site esoterica Ive always been fascinated with the esoteric subjects i love how you reference popular culture and humor to help people relate to your subject matter i was thinking maybe one way you could reach out to the public would be to work with designer's to come with an esoteric video game with actual real esoteric ideas in stead of pop culture dribble also I like the idea of cabalist dungeons and dragons module
Great It's it seems there is a great deal of interest in esoteric subjects and at the same time we see the incredible popularity of games that often have storylines that involve magic and and ancient settings in the ancient world games like assassin's Creed offer an opportunity for future games to include real esoteric ideas and introduce ideas that can inspire
At 7:35, about Sheol for religious failure - what about Numbers 16:30? I wonder if a connection to "inquire" could be connected to divination. As in, the location of those to whom can be inquired such as with the necromantrix? As to translations - KVJ is worse! "Well, we have Sheol, Hades, Gehenna, and Tartarus...let's just call it all Hell and call it a day" I'll have to recommend this video when I teach Bible and often correct the false idea that Sheol = Hell. Almost makes the NIV feel like a slight improvement.
I was raised evangelical before converting to Judaism as an adult, and the version of the Bible we used was the NIV. During my studies of Jewish interpretations of the afterlife, the discovery of Sheol was very surprising to me, as I had been familiar with the text that omitted it entirely. It’s really a shame that this concept has been essentially erased from a significant portion of the Bible translations that are available to English speakers.
When the bible was originally translated into gothic they began the tradition of translating Sheol as hell, although it was the 4th century and was referring to the Norse idea of hel which is much closer to the idea of Sheol/hades. It wasn’t until the middle ages that the word hell became a burning place. The Norse Hel was a cold/dark place where all dead who didn’t die in glorious/heroic battle went, similar to Hades/Sheol.
@@original0blace Calling “Hel” a “dark cold place” and leaving it at that is misleading, and not accurate to what we know. Though you are correct, it is very similar to Sheol, same as Hades is.
i’ve read some (relatively) modern translations of the bible that do indeed use the word “hades”, but i couldn’t tell you which ones by name. when i was a kid i always thought it was because hell was a bad word and they didn’t want to say it.
Hell is actually a pretty great translation of Sheol, in that Hell was/is conceptualize to contain Gehenna, Limbo, and Purgatory within it. It really wasn’t until the Protestant reformation that Hell as a concept began deviate greatly from the concept of Sheol in the Second Temple Period.
I've always wanted to understand sheol better, so thank you for this. I'm not Jewish or any of the derivative religions, but I love to learn about stuff like this and found the idea of sheol very interesting but didn't find a lot of information.
Only about halfway through BUT... I once took a university course taught by a rabbi where we went in-depth on I & II Samuel, and we had a few discussions about what exactly Sheol meant. He described it as "The Grave" - capitalized, as if it were a proper noun or a poetic name for a concept rather than an actual place. Seems to make sense in this context, especially with s'l / swl / sl' / s'h at the 9:00 mark seeming to be so closely related.
Rapat Una reminded me of Rabisu, entrance demon from Sumeria. But Rabisu is Akkadian, well who can argue. Loved this episode. The look on your face as you tried to explain Necromantix, priceless! Anyway, thanks!
I was listening to your discussion of how the word "sheol" was p much always used as a proper noun in Hebrew, and I was like, "wait. i thought the reason my Christian Bible always translates the word as "the pit/the grave" (and tells you so, in the notes!) was that they were synonyms for sheol! They're NOT?" and then you got to the bit about the NIV and i was like "OHHHHHHHHH. wOw." all the churches i've gone to use the NIV as their default translation. Thank you for that explanation!
@@john.premose A lot, actually, as the modern concept of “Hell” is a place of punishment (which isn’t accurate, as it originally started out my much more like Sheol or Hades, a common grave.) When referring to Sheol, it’s a fundamentally different thing than modern Hell.
@@john.premose And yet you ask the question, LOL. And yes few care as the waters (restless humanity) of Babylon the Great of John's Apocalypse have drained away. And soon the beast system inf the Great Reset will dine on the flesh of the city of religions.
@@john.premose Naw. But you did get the connection. it seems I am many years if not decades gone. I am not a hostile to the religion as it provides a way seeing this topic. That said it seems to see me as suspect and untrustworthy. Perhaps we just hooked each other on the fishing troll. I'll suspect you have your history as well. Anyway this world is drifting towards both a great reset and a world war so doesn't that give one a bit of pause as the religion does/did warn of this some to be era.
Thank you... that was fascinating. Ancient afterlife's are so oddly boring, which I've never understood, because there are such rich myths about the divinities. I always assumed Sheol did just mean a sort of generic underground place where the dead (quite literally) went. A catacomb or the like.
As always, great pill of information. Thx for connecting the dots to the Mesopotamia and Egipt, so much important to get the context right. I am going after Segal's books :)
Some of the things you explain Dr have parallels in Vedic and Hindu teaching and even in some Buddhist teaching. Esoterica too my thinking is really the whole wide world
@@theguyyamamabefuckinsometi1198 Because you had said "so" without a explanation at the time and you really did not have to get that aggressive its not the serious.
seems like the "silent" one would be closest to where the word comes from, because of the hebrew belief in "the word", and breath of god, the wind, etc..., so it seemed that the inability to breathe and use words anymore would probably be closest to the old view of death, for a long time they used mirrors to check for breath, the word being associated with the wind, and breath of god, cannot make words without breath, and all of the other ideas on the importance of words
New to the channel. Love this series may it never end! Thanks for sharing all your years of studies and wisdom you have sparked my once thought dead interest in the arcane. 👍
Thank you for your additional information. I am reminded of a concert t-shirt from the 1980's with "The world is full of kings and queens, who'll blind your eyes and steal your dreams, its heaven and hell. The Bible has heavens and likely a large multitude. Of these according to Enoch the 2nd heaven is a temporary holding place for the unrighteous dead and the 3rd for the righteous dead. Sheol has sides and a bottom or degrees of depth as I recall. Much more complex than a simple heaven and hell.
13:58 I was playing the video in the background and was not paying enough attention, so at this moment I was startled by "Elijah and Enoch are both famous for having never died, so they don't have to escape sh*t-all".
I believe I’ve seen it. It’s Very dark and unimaginable in size. It’s filled with containers for ppl individually. You are aware u are stuck there for more time then u can conceive. U are greeted by beings who are overjoyed that u are there. U are shown your life, u slowly realize what is happening. That brings them more joy as the finality sinks in. Then u are taken to a place of holding.
Hello! My name is Rhiannon and I am a huge fan of your show. Although, Sometimes I have to rewind the video just so I can understand some of the words you use in the same sentence.. (AKA: your fancy word salad. ) thank you so much ! 💜
Would love to see your scholarly take on reincarnation in recent Judaism and Western esotericism. To me it always made more sense than a fixed destination .
I appreciated your comments on the NIV. I maintain a somewhat (in)famous page of NIV translations that I consistently add to. I'll have to check out the Sheol verses and see if any qualify.
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It's always interesting how many Christians completely ignore the Torah and other Jewish religious concepts that are what is essentially the grandfather of Christianity and Islam.
Bit late to the party on this one, but Maltese has two similar sounding words, and is a Semitic language.
Xoghol (sh awe l) = work or business
Xolja (sh o lia) = to dissolve, terminate.
Hope this helps.
@@GameTimeWhy They don't ignore them. They cherry-pick. They do that with the New Testament, too. Furthermore, they pick out the verses that confirm what they already want people to believe. To be fair, there is so much contradiction in the Bible that anybody who wishes to follow it kind of has to cherry-pick.
Thank you very much for a physical reference to Kur. Looks like just like Abydos of Egypt, it originally was a geographical location. Thank you very much. 🌺
Nice to see you visited Luray
After watching this, I called my mom and asked her how she knew this word enough to use it regularly in the 70's. "Sheol? No, when I was talking about the trailer park we lived in, I was saying 'sh*thole."
Thank you for a laugh via the subjective nature of language and interpretation. I forever thought that the song winter wonderland featured a brown snowman named Parson and that the colloquialism was "bowl in a china shop" obviously to much apathetic confusion
Yep, all I could hear was Shit*ole
That's hilarious.
@@ramkitty there's still plenty of light in the winter, keep an open heart. ❤️🤘
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This reminds me that the Quran (Surah al-Baqarah:96) claims of Jews that "You will surely find them clinging to life more eagerly than any other people, even more than polytheists."" As a secular Jew, I remember being struck when reading that in the Quran as an adult, remembering that growing up nobody in my Jewish family or at any Synagogue I went to ever talked about the afterlife at all, in striking contrast to the absolutely constant talk about the afterlife in just about every other major religion, and especially in Christianity, Islam, and seemingly every other smaller Abrahamic religion. I think it is true.
It isn't that Jews don't believe in an afterlife, it's just that it isn't considered important. It is just assumed that since God is Good, whatever happens after death will sort itself out as it should, and there's no need or desire to talk about it. Judaism has laws and commandments and so on, of course, but the Law is considered good in itself just because it is good, not because it will get you into heaven or get you any other reward after death. Unlike atheism though, Jews and Judaism do assume something happens after death, and that eventually somehow there will be some sort of day of judgement or something like that, Jews and Judaism just don't care exactly what it might be like, as long as a good God is presiding over it. It's more of a "be good for goodness sake" approach. I asked about what Judaism said about the afterlife when I was a kid, and everybody seemed totally bored by the question. I wouldn't have even asked probably if I didn't have Christian and Muslim friends. I've always found it very strange that this is so unusual among religions, and especially among Abrahamic religions when Judaism is the original and oldest Abrahamic religion.
The only other religion that seems to take the same approach as Judaism is Shinto, where the Shinto priests are very concerned about morality but likewise seem to just be totally bored by questions about the afterlife and just kind of shrug and direct the questioner to go ask the Buddhists.
My Conservative Jewish aunt told me as a kid that Christianity and Islam were religions of death which rejected God's visible creation and longed for a different one after death, while Judaism was a religion of life which affirmed and celebrated the visible creation of God and called people to sanctify and celebrate it in the here and now, and worship God primarily for what He has already done and continues to do, rather than only loving God instrumentally, merely in an attempt to avoid future punishment or gain future compensation. She thought the Christian doctrine of original sin didn't make any sense, and that we always had a continual free choice about whether we were going to participate in creating a better world or a worse one. She thought it didn't make any sense that a Good God would create an intrinsically bad world, or people so flawed they would inevitably sin, so this world had to have the potential in it to be fundamentally and entirely good if we did all we could to sanctify and repair it, and that every human life as such, in this world, at any time or place in history, had to likewise have the potential in it to be a complete blessing on the person who lived it and upon all those around them, such that it would be better to have lived that life and then gone to heaven, than to have merely gone to heaven (or paradise, or whatever) without having the opportunity and blessing of living that life in this world first.
I'm afraid your conservative jewish aunt was wrong, and I suggest you read the Quran with sincerity, and a sincere heart will realise Islam is the truth.
Thanks for this in-depth personal account regarding this.
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Your aunt is the GOAT.
"People have odd ideas on how to do Bible translations"... Loved it. Thanks for saying it 🙏🏼
Most have no idea what you mean. What have you learned from others translations of Bible? I often learn something about myself.sometimes not... Sometimes I learn something much later that reminds me of some obscure comment then suddenly it all are sense. It was connected all along.
@@davidfryer9359 there's much to learn on oneself in the Bible, I agree.
What I mean is that there are certain words with no consensus about their translation. Nonetheless Christians have interpreted their meaning to fit their narrative. But if we don't translate those words the Bible becomes much more interesting.
Mauro Biglino, who in the past worked for Edizioni Paoline translating the ancient Hebrew from the Bible into Italian has a lot to say about that.
@@ClaudioWho I love that thought. Remember though, Abraham was an outright Sumerian from Ur. His first language was Sumerian. His father was a high priest to the g-d EN.LIL. So Abraham spoke the Masculine divine language of that diety. So when I come across a word that I am not satisfied with its Hebrew meaning, I often search the Sumerian for a possible fit. Ancient Hebrew is challenging to read and understand. I am not trying to re-invent the wheel. I am doing it as not to drive myself insane with the desire to know more and more.
Sometimes I find words whose etymology include Sumerian, Akkaidian they borrowed Sumerian words which soon transformed into a Semitic version. Then the words morphed into Assyrian, Babylonia Aramaic, and then ancient Hebrew. But the bottom line is the lesson imparted to us an individuals.. what does it mean to me? My approach may be unorthodox, but it is a sincere approach!
@@davidfryer9359 👍🏼 you like to dive deep. That's absolutely great!
@@davidfryer9359 it would be really interesting if you had a blog or something about this so we could follow your work, just an idea
Anyone who apologizes for mixing Latin and Greek, but then does it anyway for the sake of linguistic creativity is worth my admiration. I am addicted to your channel.
Octopi- I friggin love it!
Man I feel you on the whiskey break. I really feel as if decisions like that are why I was completely baffled by the Bible as a child. When people explained what they thought it meant, that made plenty of sense. Then I would read the actual book and be like "where did you get that idea?". It really seems like a lot of modern religious institutions have become cults of creative interpretation rather than places for religious traditions to be understood and preserved.
That is a big critique of (both inside and outside) protestantism.
Wasn't that the Pope who quit his job who ok'd that translation?
I know exactly how you feel. Growing up in Protestantism, the Bible Study was at the center of our youth and college gatherings. Every study was the same; we would have a topic or a doctrine that we were studying and the pastor would jump around from one book of the Bible to the next in both the old and new testament making us read "proof texts" of what he was trying to teach. It seemed like we were trying to force together bits and pieces of completely unrelated texts out of context to try to weave together a narrative of why the Bible supposedly supported a certain doctrine or theology. I always find it amusing when fundamentalists of any religious sect claim that the Bible "CLEARLY" supports their dogmas when there are over 30,000 different sects with different interpretations. The Roman Catholics attempt to overcome this problem by saying that Jesus established their Church as the "one true Church" and therefore they are only theologians who have the authority to interpret the Bible. How convenient...simply shut down debate by denying people who disagree with you any divine authority to interpret scriptures.
What is interesting about NIV is that they reduced the judgemental and punishing nature of afterlife or even some characters.
@@randyjones3050 of course, the catholics can just point to millerites, fundamentalists, biblical literalists etc as what you get if the theologians are interpreting the text sans contact with the history of interpretation
Just turned 30 and have been having a bit of an existential crisis, and your videos have really helped. Especially this one.
Glad to hear that. Hope you are fairing well during this storm we call life.
@@john.premose death is soon
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أعلم أين تعيش
@@john.premose bruh what
@@john.premose well I dunno how you would stutter in a written comment unless it's like a typo or something.
I LOVE YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR!!! You're so seriously minded and academic in your content and then there's a joke, and often a witty and intellectual joke too!! They catch me of guard every time! And I love it!
I'm not even religious, but these subjects are so fascinating to me, and channels like yours are - how else to say it? - a 'blessing' to us all ;)
You should get into comparative theology, it’s so much fun and interesting. A good book to start from is Living Religions of the World, by Frederick Spiegelberg. I’m not particularly religious either but that book was so fun to read and learn about all the different sects in other religions.
This is not for religious people but for those interested in history, sociology, culture
@@moumous87 Well, it should. Can you imagine liking a fantasy book, but read only a few tasty parts and cool quotes, then try to convince everyone to abandon every other fantasy book out there to join your 'one book' book club? This level of willful ignorance maddening 🙃
@@bacomancer They have a point though. No need to be mad at people.
Not only have you provided useful information on the nature of Sheol but you have also added the word Necromantrix to my vocabulary. Thank you on both accounts
Yup! I have to confess I have been educated beyond repair. 3 Masters & Two Stints of ill fated PHD studies. I’ve encountered some truly great Professors. You are definitely in that Winners Circle. Truly. If I could buy you a Chair in some University I would do it. Not possible. But I will get my shit together & make a donation. You are quite something!
"Eternal twilight after death that never reaches oblivion." That is perfect. I'm going to borrow that. Thanks so much for all your hard work!
0:39 As someone who used to be a Christian preacher and who has read the Dharmapada, this statement resonates with the core of my studies since leaving the churches.
I had to leave the Christian churches in order to grow in my faith in YHVH, because their teachings are so contrary to what the scriptures say. Lately I have been pressed in the Ruach to copy out the Torah by hand, that way I can truly understand the heart of Elohim without the perversions of modern day preachers.
Shalom, brother. Much thanks for your work
Just seek Jesus, be filled with the holy spirit who gives clarity, revelation and understanding of all truth!
The living word of God is all truth and seek his holy spirit for the interpretation and understanding of his truth!
Do not lean to your own understanding, strange doctrine or mankind's philosophy and understanding or else you will be led astray with itching ears!
Remember that God will not send anyone to you (human or other worldly) with or give anyone a new revelation that can't be backed up by the Bible or contradicts the Bible! Take everything to him in prayer for his council before allowing it to be planted in your heart, spirit and mind! ❤🙏
This is my go-to for background esoteric information; impartial, well-balanced explanations that are an excellent basis for further explorations.
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This question was just plaguing me yesterday, impeccable timing
Any time someone's defense for a theory is "well back then they couldn't conceive of anything more!" I know I can just ignore them.
" But, .. but .. but SJW PC academics Say our ancestors were just as smart as we are .. NoW .. ! ?"
Any time someone else’s attack of a theory is to summarize it to sound absurd, I know I have to investigate their claim.
@@TylerThomas this is why all of my claims about anything are outlandish
Something something "wine-dark sea"
I was educated in Poland, and I remember studying the concept of Sheol quite extensively as a teen. Mainly through religious education but also as part of studying the Polish language (which included studying literature from around the world, we just read and discussed it in Polish). In the Polish translation of the Bible, the word Sheol (Szeol) was not translated, and its meaning had to be investigated to be understood. My understanding of this word is exactly the same as what you presented in this video, and this realisation made me feel really grateful for the fantastic teachers I've had throughout my education. Thank you for creating and sharing this amazing content, you and your work are so important! ❤️
Dr. Sledge, I am enraptured by your channel. I very much enjoy your work, the research as well as the delivery are appreciated... well, as much as a non-specialist can possibly grasp your subject matter. Thank you for your exhaustive efforts toward secular education, giving this lowly student a chance of understanding. Were I granted the legendary dinner party with 12 people of my choosing, you would be seated between Marie Laveau and Joan of Arch. Peace, Shalom and my wish for the kindest rest of your visit to these dimensions. As predicted by the profits, We shall meet on that beautiful shore.
Thank you so much, you are seriously helping me in my existential crisis thats been going on for decades and ravaging my life.
Same here, this channel is amazing. Stay strong, it gets better. I used to be in a state where the suffering was so intense that the thought of death started to bring solance, not fear, yet each day is better than the previous one. Good luck to you.
@@thephonecalls9856 I am there now & have been for about 3 years now…it is definitely getting better though. It used to be everyday thoughts of “permanent rest” were a relief, now it’s not as frequent! Thanks for your honesty, feels good to know someone understands!
@@cleft_3000 it definitely gets better, although it seems you are at the borders of human existence, seen too much and there's no going back. Right now I'm much better place than when I wrote this message 7 months ago. If you don't mind, I'll share what helped me, basically a holistic approach. First, you need to get your body in the right order, nutrition is extremely important, no junk and processed foods, keeping vitamins B and D in check, Magnesium (and other elements as well, but these are the most important for the proper functioning of the nervous system). Do sports, especially outside, very long walks (up to several hours). When it comes to the mind, mindfulness is a key, good old new agey Ram Dass' "be here and be now" will do, and although I'm definitely an enemy of pop-spirituality, this is probably the only thing they got right. Learn to keep your mind in balance, most of the thoughts you think are just random, improbable, unverifiable theories. Think for yourself of course, but think only when it's necessary, instead learn how to feel. Practice going out of your head depsite what your thoughts tell you, especially when you're outside. Another important think is spiritual side, and I suggest putting an effort in spiritual development, although I also advise being careful and balancing it out, treating everything as possible theories to get grounded, and then trust your intuition and dive into what you feel is right. Just my two cents, of course your mileage may vary, I just thought that I could share what helped me. I was truly at the bottom and seriously considered suicide, yet I'm learning to be happier than ever before. You can try meds to lift you out of the worst state (I know, they're mostly poison), but in my opinion this is enough to get out of this. Sure they'll make it a bit easier, but the lifestyle, mind and spiritual change must come from the within. In the end, all this suffering will really not matter (in a good way!) so focus on making memories and do not waste your time on it, even though you have to force yourself. I know how it feels, it sounds almost impossible, I could barely get out of bed and perform basic hygiene, but once you see the light in the tunnel, you're there. Sending much love.
@@thephonecalls9856 thank you I appreciate the advice. I’m a bit impatient when it comes to “self-care” routines (even that expression itself is so…blah…) but yes it definitely does make a difference when I keep up with it. Balance is key if you can manage to keep it. Lots of love to you, friend! I am so glad to hear you’re mostly out of the woods.
@@cleft_3000 This was a wholesome thread. Hope you two are still getting there.
I know this was posted years ago… but if you do read this Justin.
It would be quite interesting to do an episode comparing death and afterlife concepts in the 3 Abrahamic Faiths.
Judaism ✡️, Christianity ✝️ and Islam ☪️.
Being a Muslim it will clear up lots of misconceptions or commonalities we might have in the process and after Death.
Thank You Justin.
Watching this during Ramadan… very insightful.
May the All Mighty Bless You.
Ramadan Mubarak!
Man I’m so glad I found these esoteric channels that break down biblical etymology. I feel like I have a much better chance of understanding what I’m reading after videos like this.
I always wind up having to rewind your videos a zillion times because I get absorbed with the discussions in your video's comment threads. Your videos spur such interesting philosophical and spiritual discussions. Thank you for using your expertise and aptitude to educate internet randos like myself, it does feel like a gift and it is appreciated. ❤
As a practicing Christian Sheol has always baffled me, I’m glad I’m not the only one. I’ve been going back and forth about changing from my 1986 NIV translation to a NASV or possibly the Legacy Bible since it uses the Tetragrammaton. This makes it seem like a good idea.
An interesting and mildly arcane episode would be on the names of power found in the Bible and why they are not used in the modern versions.
The words of power and general magics in the bible.
That's really weird to me, as somebody from a religion with a Sheol-like possibility, the ideas of Heaven and Hell are weird and unintuitive (especially your hell)
You just opened up to understand that the Bible was a big grimoire
they are still used largely in occultists groups tho 😂
this is how it goes down... every person who has ever lived and died is now "sleeping" in Sheol. On the day of Judgment, Christ will raise the dead to be judged. Some will be saved and others will be condemned
My first time watching Dr. Sledge. I enjoy both the great content and the dry humor.
Bravo! Thank you for doing all that you do and sharing freely.
Thank you for the very scholarly treatment, and for just sufficient humour !
Thank you for this! I’m in a Tanakh reading group and we’ve come across Sheol several times. This explanation was super helpful!
Seriously true...
Amazing scholarship and utterly charming.
Awesome, informative, hilarious. This is some of the best stuff out there.
I absolutely adore you Dr. Sledge. Thank you SO much for your content!
I think you are literally the most well informative channel on the topic. Congrats and thank you
12:45 I think we shouldn’t discount the Jewish roots of the Harrowing of Hell. The doctrine comes most clearly from Ephesians 4:9 and 1st Peter 4:6, which don’t borrow obvious Greek imagery (unless I’m way off, which, I admit, I may be). That, and the first extra-canonical source we have of the doctrine comes from the Church Father and Bishop of Sardis (a city with a large Jewish population), St. Melito of Sardis, who was notably Jewish himself.
I so love your dry humor! Next time, it should be an early day for absinthe!
The book of enoch also briefly speaks of sheol. The angel raphael took enoch there and enoch saw both cain and abel there
Why Abel though? Cain because he killed Abel. Not sure why Abel would be there.
@@1Corinthians15.1-4 Sheol isn’t hell
@@Dk-ns3ge What is your perspective on it?
@@1Corinthians15.1-4 My perspective doesn’t matter. It literally is just another plane of existence where the dead live - doesn’t matter if they’re good or bad. I suggest you read about Sheol in the Jewish Encyclopedia
@@1Corinthians15.1-4 It was explained in the video.
This was the funniest and most insightful episode that I have seen you do yet. Thank you for all you do.
Okay that intro "the afterlife of an afterlife" that send chills down my spine. Great work as always, doctor sledge!
This channel never disappoints
This southern Baptist self; appreciates truth in meaning, in which you unselfishly teach versus the untold uneducated doctrine of the ignorant that I had been subject to. If you seek you will find. Lately I've come to enjoy my journey because of the search for truth. I have eyes and ears that long to see and hear. For real knowledge must be sought not taught. Thank you sir.
11:46 There's just something hilarious about "I need a freaking drink" delivered in the academic-lecture register.
But for real though, happens more than one would think
Well-stated and researched, as always! Much gratitude for your hard work!
Unrelated, but I lived near Luray, and those caverns are gorgeous.
I just found your channel and will study it with discernment and open mind.
If you are ever up late for a midnight ride come over to - now you see tv 📺
Shalom ❤️🔥 Shalom knowledge and wisdom seekers
Doctor Sledge, don't you think that the concept of Sheol has a striking resemblance to that of Hades for ancient Greeks? Homer describes it as a sombre place where only shadows remain, sleeping, without any conscience, apparently, only momentarily awaken, for an instant, by libations. Achilles, I think, in such a brief awakening after his death, says, if memory serves, that it is better to be the last of slaves in life than the greatest of kings in Hades (I think it's in the Odyssey). I don't mean to undermine the specificity of these beliefs, but I always felt that there is a strong resemblance. Moreover, the necromancy practices you alluded to in Ancient Israel, and later on, fought in Judas in attempts to eradicate them, remind a little, indeed, of that very practice of libations on the sepulcher of heroes in Greece. It seems that, not unlike what you describe of the momentary reappearance of Saul, heroes in Greece also had this "capacity" to reconnect with the livings for a brief moment.
They existed in the same geographical region at similar times, so there’s a bunch of cross pollination of different words an concepts. “Hades” for example can be found in a quote of Jesus and the “Styx” appears now and then too.
Existing within an overculture, transference of concepts is definitely taking place. Anubis the Boatman of Egypt is clearly the model for Charos, the Greek Boatman. The Styx is clearly mother to the four rivers of the Greek Afterlife. Other transfers and reinterpretations must have taken places, after all the Greek visual system, ie alphabet, is actually adapted Phoenician which is related to Hebrew and can be heard when spoken: Greek - alpha, beta, gamma, delta / Hebrew - Aleph, Beth, Gimel, Daleth, etc.
@@cheryldeboissiere1851 Great observations and many great "leads" for me, Cheryl. Thank you!
Sheol was translated as Hades in the Septuagint Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible.
Okay the jokes in this one really deserves a subscription. I love your humor in this very interesting video.
Great video! Thanks Dr Justin
14:45 What jumps immediately to mind is 1st Peter 3:18-20 “Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit, *In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison:* Which had been some time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noah, when the ark was a building: wherein a few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water.” [DRCB]
Even growing up with the NIV as a kid Sheol seemed like a mysterious and abstract concept for an afterlife to me despite the neutered translation.
Finally, a good explanation of this concept! I simply recall that Sheol is underground and nobody did much there until Jesus came and that’s it.
interesting dive on Sheol....a term and concept i have been intrigued with for ages!
I'm glad you made this video. While I have read a tiny bit on Sheol in my life, the foundation of my understanding of it was that biased NIV interpretation of the word. I'm glad to finally feel like I'm learning more about it after all these years
My two cents.
Job 14:13 - O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!
Job is one of the most contested, atheists love it.
... and deeply appreciate your brilliance, sharing etc.
... still a believer in Christ, no need in mince nor do you.
Love the perspective, the interpretion you deliver.
No matter how insignificant we are Lord God remember me! ... I think the Muslims think of Sheol worse?!
Job an atheist?! Hilarious. What dude???
I just want to say this I don't normally leave comments on TH-cam but I must say I love your site esoterica Ive always been fascinated with the esoteric subjects i love how you reference popular culture and humor to help people relate to your subject matter i was thinking maybe one way you could reach out to the public would be to work with designer's to come with an esoteric video game with actual real esoteric ideas in stead of pop culture dribble also I like the idea of cabalist dungeons and dragons module
Great It's it seems there is a great deal of interest in esoteric subjects and at the same time we see the incredible popularity of games that often have storylines that involve magic and and ancient settings in the ancient world games like assassin's Creed offer an opportunity for future games to include real esoteric ideas and introduce ideas that can inspire
It would be interesting! It should have a pixel artsyle with customizable “spells” (which are based on real esoteric ideas) similar to noita
At 7:35, about Sheol for religious failure - what about Numbers 16:30?
I wonder if a connection to "inquire" could be connected to divination. As in, the location of those to whom can be inquired such as with the necromantrix?
As to translations - KVJ is worse! "Well, we have Sheol, Hades, Gehenna, and Tartarus...let's just call it all Hell and call it a day" I'll have to recommend this video when I teach Bible and often correct the false idea that Sheol = Hell. Almost makes the NIV feel like a slight improvement.
Necromatrix. Explain
I was raised evangelical before converting to Judaism as an adult, and the version of the Bible we used was the NIV. During my studies of Jewish interpretations of the afterlife, the discovery of Sheol was very surprising to me, as I had been familiar with the text that omitted it entirely. It’s really a shame that this concept has been essentially erased from a significant portion of the Bible translations that are available to English speakers.
Thank you. Older translations in English have Sheol as Hell, which is a different meaning than Sheol/Hades. Your explanation was wonderful. G-d bless.
When the bible was originally translated into gothic they began the tradition of translating Sheol as hell, although it was the 4th century and was referring to the Norse idea of hel which is much closer to the idea of Sheol/hades.
It wasn’t until the middle ages that the word hell became a burning place.
The Norse Hel was a cold/dark place where all dead who didn’t die in glorious/heroic battle went, similar to Hades/Sheol.
@@original0blace Calling “Hel” a “dark cold place” and leaving it at that is misleading, and not accurate to what we know. Though you are correct, it is very similar to Sheol, same as Hades is.
i’ve read some (relatively) modern translations of the bible that do indeed use the word “hades”, but i couldn’t tell you which ones by name. when i was a kid i always thought it was because hell was a bad word and they didn’t want to say it.
Also they get the idea of “burning place” by taking a couple of verses out of context
Hell is actually a pretty great translation of Sheol, in that Hell was/is conceptualize to contain Gehenna, Limbo, and Purgatory within it.
It really wasn’t until the Protestant reformation that Hell as a concept began deviate greatly from the concept of Sheol in the Second Temple Period.
I'm hollerin!! Dr., I absolutely dig your sense of humor!! Cheers to early whiskey!!
this is soooo good! my new favorite channel.
This was good, thank you. Can't wait for that renovation. So many things to shake your head about. I like your style, will check out more videos.
Happy to see this channel grow, thanks for your work.
Imagine how many other terms have been censored/mistranslated from religions over time...
Thank you! This is one of the best interpretation ❤
Necromantrix is the name of my next Dungeons and Dragons character based on an ancient Gallic warrior.
Also the name of one of my favorite bands. Check them out
Goddess, I love this channel. This is crucial information for my fiction series. Thanks again, Dr. Sledge.
I've always wanted to understand sheol better, so thank you for this. I'm not Jewish or any of the derivative religions, but I love to learn about stuff like this and found the idea of sheol very interesting but didn't find a lot of information.
Only about halfway through BUT...
I once took a university course taught by a rabbi where we went in-depth on I & II Samuel, and we had a few discussions about what exactly Sheol meant. He described it as "The Grave" - capitalized, as if it were a proper noun or a poetic name for a concept rather than an actual place. Seems to make sense in this context, especially with s'l / swl / sl' / s'h at the 9:00 mark seeming to be so closely related.
I heard the same from Bart Ehrman.
Fantastic. Thank you.
Rapat Una reminded me of Rabisu, entrance demon from Sumeria. But Rabisu is Akkadian, well who can argue.
Loved this episode. The look on your face as you tried to explain Necromantix, priceless!
Anyway, thanks!
I was listening to your discussion of how the word "sheol" was p much always used as a proper noun in Hebrew, and I was like, "wait. i thought the reason my Christian Bible always translates the word as "the pit/the grave" (and tells you so, in the notes!) was that they were synonyms for sheol! They're NOT?" and then you got to the bit about the NIV and i was like "OHHHHHHHHH. wOw." all the churches i've gone to use the NIV as their default translation. Thank you for that explanation!
@@john.premose A lot, actually, as the modern concept of “Hell” is a place of punishment (which isn’t accurate, as it originally started out my much more like Sheol or Hades, a common grave.) When referring to Sheol, it’s a fundamentally different thing than modern Hell.
@@john.premose And yet you ask the question, LOL. And yes few care as the waters (restless humanity) of Babylon the Great of John's Apocalypse have drained away. And soon the beast system inf the Great Reset will dine on the flesh of the city of religions.
@@tfan2222 The afterlife is just death and its oblivion, lol.
@@john.premose Naw. But you did get the connection. it seems I am many years if not decades gone. I am not a hostile to the religion as it provides a way seeing this topic. That said it seems to see me as suspect and untrustworthy. Perhaps we just hooked each other on the fishing troll. I'll suspect you have your history as well. Anyway this world is drifting towards both a great reset and a world war so doesn't that give one a bit of pause as the religion does/did warn of this some to be era.
@man_at_the_end_of_time Ahh so you know about the coming zombies as well...
You are a scholar and a gentleman. Most people only know todays version of religion. They don't seem to mind
Necromantrix IS an awesome word, and will surely be a character name some day
This video came in a good time. I have so many questions about the real context of the writings in the Bible... This was a amazing learning.
13:54 I never realized Elijah never died. I did know that about Enoch 🤔 love the channel! I've been sharing with my students, they all love it, too
Baal vs. The Spirit of Drought is a direct parallel to the Rigveda; Indra vs. Vitra. You never seem to disappoint.
Thank you... that was fascinating. Ancient afterlife's are so oddly boring, which I've never understood, because there are such rich myths about the divinities. I always assumed Sheol did just mean a sort of generic underground place where the dead (quite literally) went. A catacomb or the like.
Brilliant, I enjoy each of your podcasts. Thank you for your research and work.
I lost it when the screen cut away to black after that horrifying revelation about"the grave." I grew up with that theology...I saw through it
As always, great pill of information. Thx for connecting the dots to the Mesopotamia and Egipt, so much important to get the context right. I am going after Segal's books :)
Some of the things you explain Dr have parallels in Vedic and Hindu teaching and even in some Buddhist teaching. Esoterica too my thinking is really the whole wide world
I would love a video about "the resurrection" in apocalyptic Judaism.
another wonderful presentation; thank you!
Great essay. Thank you for the well-organized and concise presentation.
Another interesting and informative session, thank you!
Thanks!
The next time I have a glass of bourbon in front of me I will raise it in the name of Sheol 🍻
Pour some out for the repha'im! :)
So..
@@theguyyamamabefuckinsometi1198 So..?
@@scared2656 yes so....... raise it to Sheol, Valhalla, or any other place it's all King's cross without proof. Fym so?
@@theguyyamamabefuckinsometi1198 Because you had said "so" without a explanation at the time and you really did not have to get that aggressive its not the serious.
Looooved the hilarious misery pause 😂😂 and of course, all the rest of the video ❤❤❤ 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
seems like the "silent" one would be closest to where the word comes from, because of the hebrew belief in "the word", and breath of god, the wind, etc..., so it seemed that the inability to breathe and use words anymore would probably be closest to the old view of death, for a long time they used mirrors to check for breath, the word being associated with the wind, and breath of god, cannot make words without breath, and all of the other ideas on the importance of words
Wonderful presentation! Thanks so much!
Love your stuff! I might contact you for a podcast one of these days.
7:51 veeeeery interesting 🧐 loving this channel
Wonderful clear discussion of this very complicated and confusing subject. Subscribed and looking forward to your other vids.
New to the channel. Love this series may it never end! Thanks for sharing all your years of studies and wisdom you have sparked my once thought dead interest in the arcane. 👍
Thank you for your additional information. I am reminded of a concert t-shirt from the 1980's with "The world is full of kings and queens, who'll blind your eyes and steal your dreams, its heaven and hell. The Bible has heavens and likely a large multitude. Of these according to Enoch the 2nd heaven is a temporary holding place for the unrighteous dead and the 3rd for the righteous dead. Sheol has sides and a bottom or degrees of depth as I recall. Much more complex than a simple heaven and hell.
Probably a quantum holding cube for souls.
13:58 I was playing the video in the background and was not paying enough attention, so at this moment I was startled by "Elijah and Enoch are both famous for having never died, so they don't have to escape sh*t-all".
I believe I’ve seen it.
It’s Very dark and unimaginable in size.
It’s filled with containers for ppl individually.
You are aware u are stuck there for more time then u can conceive. U are greeted by beings who are overjoyed that u are there. U are shown your life, u slowly realize what is happening. That brings them more joy as the finality sinks in. Then u are taken to a place of holding.
Sounds like most of my dmt trips
Hello! My name is Rhiannon and I am a huge fan of your show. Although, Sometimes I have to rewind the video just so I can understand some of the words you use in the same sentence.. (AKA: your fancy word salad. ) thank you so much ! 💜
Good morning 🧙♂️🔮🧙♂️
Would love to see your scholarly take on reincarnation in recent Judaism and Western esotericism. To me it always made more sense than a fixed destination .
“It’s time for a whiskey a little early today, here at Esoterica.” 😂😂😂 One of ur best! TY’
I appreciated your comments on the NIV. I maintain a somewhat (in)famous page of NIV translations that I consistently add to. I'll have to check out the Sheol verses and see if any qualify.
Outstanding synthesis! Thank you.
I'm beginning to delve into this subject. Any thoughts on Bernstein's "The Formation of Hell"?