I'm 40 years old, I've been a fan of Tekken since 1996, and I belive you are right in everything you're saying, but you're also wrong. Please consider TTT2 offered a whole lot of content for free and failed, while Mortal Kombat and DoA were capitalizing on DLC payed content. It is not Harada or Murray's fault that the industry has changed. As far as Namco, they're just a company ruled by old people who probably don't play games or care about any of that. They're doing what everyone else is and their only concern is being competitive in the market and growing. Basically, you're asking them to have some "ethics" or "morals", and they tried that (remember Harada once said he would resign if stuff like that ever happened?) and the only thing they achieved was looking like FOOLS. You are just acusing them of doing things RIGHT. The psychological tricks, the fact that they waited to reveal the store, and even the fact that they're offering some free content in the store to generate good will is them doing things RIGHT, just like Tekken 8 itself, which seems to me like the best Tekken game so far, and the best fighting game right now. If they were to make DLC payed content more ethically, in a way that you would approve, to the rest of the companies, to the whole world, they would just look like a backwards company who doesn't understand yet how to properly commercialize their game. Now, remember that TTT2 didn't get outfits or seasons, same for games older than that, and T7 didn't get a lot of extra outfits or more customization items (and people said they were too little). What if this time we can get all of Yoshimitsu's outfits from every Tekken and Soul Calibur game, for example? I just think parents should educate their children, watch them out more, because there are new risks and you're not supposed to leave them alone in front of a monitor, just like you're not supposed to leave them alone in the middle of the street. I hope this perspective allows you to be less angry about the current situation and you can enjoy Tekken 8 more. If you need more reasons to enjoy Tekken 8, just watch some Mortal Kombat 1 videos here on youtube and find out all the shit MK fans are swallowing, and how the people responsible are threating their fans. You'll see that Tekken 8 is handling everything, not just the game, more ethically, humble and respectful than certain other companies, and they''re leading right now, showing others how things should be done in the future. This includes, for example, listening to the fans, listening to the pro players (ignored by other companies) and delivering a base game with A LOT of content from the beginning. In the end of the day, however, this is a JOB for Harada and Murray, and a BUSINESS for Namco. I hope you can make peace with that, because it was also the case for every single Tekken game before. The only difference is that times and technology changes with time.
I thoroughly enjoyed this game, I would even pay double the amount for this game, I don't see a problem, a new product added to the game that is not in the base game requires payment, costumes don't make themselves, developers also have families and they also have to eat, it's called work, just like you don't make these videos on TH-cam for free, that's It's called hypocrisy, I would blame it if the game was only poor in the base game, but it's not, In my opinion, this is the best fighting game of the decade, and I'm more of a street fighter player, all fighting games must find way to make money, their games have to pay for maintaining servers, sponsoring tournaments, and there is also inflation, and the investment has to be recouped before tekken 9 gets the green light, if you're going to nitpick, nitpick games like mk1 that you could write a book about the problems there
That thing made me quit T7...like no i m not going to pay to have the most minimal thing a fighting game can have...frame talks about paying for some advantage in T7, frame data were just that, people who paud got more info in game than people who didn t...scummy bamco
@@H1nted your also paying 5 dollars for something the main developer of the video game says he hates. He dislikes the idea people can check frame data due to the fact the video game would be more easily "solved" the niech things with frame data was for the people who intentionally looked deeper into the games like the pros. The game turns into focusing on the frame data instead of focusing on what you like to do win or lose.
That's way too clean. You will buy 1000 (plus 150 free!) Tekken Coins and be able to buy a costume for 450, leaving you with 250 after you buy two. Darn...but I'm over halfway to the next costume! I can just buy 500 tekken coins this time...at least I get 100 free with it.
Frame Whisperer absolutely loves Tekken to death, so you KNOW it is SERIOUS when he makes a critical response like this. Bless you brother for being the voice of the people.🍷
You are the one guy I trusted to make this video. Unfortunately, we lost this battle a long time ago as every company that implements this makes unbelievable profit despite backlash, and it’ll be the same here. Way too many people are okay with getting nickel and dimed
@@Kreasddjb copium, maybe they will add some stuff u can get by grinding to reduce the backlash a bit (if there is even enough that they pretend to care)
its a shame alot of people would rather stay quiet about issues plauging the game so they can be in good graces for early acess and such. its like letting a tooth rot so you can go to the dentist and get a toothbrush goodie bag
@@yoko_bbythe shame is not about those who stay quite. But about those who actually start to protect develipers and company who implements such schemes
I did not react before but I did watch your videos. And this is the only person person that is not afraid to point out the bs they did. So many content creators/streamers/commentators say $4 is fine, "you don't have to buy it". But they are completely missing the point. The deception and lies from hiding this before the release, and the way HOW microtransactions are implemented is very poor. This has to be called out no matter how much we love Tekken games. The whole Tekken Live Talk was about the shop. Meanwhile, everyone is plugging in ranked with 0 consequences. Some silly reports is not stopping these players from doing it. The anti plug/ragequit should be in the game from literally launch day. Your core game is not even working properly, and we are already talking about microtransactions...
@@QuestAccepterthey make plenty new work and even if those modder modify existing work, they make the game fun ..and don't charge you bucks....not to mention plenty games survive decades thanks to modders keeping gaming visuals uptodate,this creating an active community like Skyrims....so stop choking on bamco's cock bro...
@@QuestAccepterlmao they make plenty new work, and even if those modder modify existing work, they make the game fun ..and don't charge you bucks....not to mention plenty games survive decades , eg. Skyrim,thanks to modders keeping gaming visuals uptodate,thus creating an active community.....so stop choking on bamco's c*ck bro
When its modders its all that liberation talk, but when I come at you wit that dev talk its meat & dick. Shut ya behind up, your redirect cope don't change your modders need someone else's work to do theirs. Your behind sorry you know that? @@aureuskeith2312
Absolutely correct, it's maddening seeing people treat TEKKEN DEVELOPERS like they're some indie studio from east europe that can't afford gas money to reach the workplace. It seems people just decided tekken 8 is overall a good product so they can tolerate a kick in the balls or ten...
Exactly. But it doesn't feel like a kick in the balls when you get a good product that they seem committed to support and build on for the next 10 years as they said they wanted the game to last that long.
And it's really funny that pretty much every major twitter account is dickriding bamco like it's ranked and they want to become god of dickriding, when not only is it clear that the coin system only exists to incentivize people spending more money unnecessarily AND this game had probably the worst customisation yet quite specifically so that their market should have a purpose. Bamco isn't a tiny studio which doesn't get funding and the shop items aren't going to help the devs themselves in any real way since in case people don't know this devs are salaried when it comes to big studios and the percentages off of profits goes to producers and not devs. So thank you for not mincing it and putting it in no uncertain terms that how shit tekken producers imo always have been.
@@burni988 harada afaik is a producer as well as basically their PR relations for some reason, other than that yeah devs usually are not responsible for economic decisions like these and economic decisions also include balancing, character design, and even story beats to a large degree
I don't think that was anything like as bad tbh. That was an extra. The Devs'd always been against publishing frame data in game and I understand why. They've caved to the pressures of the new environment where it's expected but it was an extra several years after the game was published -its reasonable that providing something extra like that be paid for. It vwas free with T8 as it should be. This is just greedy though. They'd make a handsome profit on legacy costumes if they were $1.50 each. $4 is horrific (even though its significantly cheaper than the competition...). 20 legacy costumes'll cost you more than the entire game. I can assure you I use far more than 20 legacy costume mods in T7.
@@karnagefails333Namco literally charge player for the most basic training mode stuff like frame data, where in another fighting game even F2P fighting game has that for free
Another suss thing to be aware of - Usually, Deluxe/Ultimate Editions have a chunk of ‘Premium Currency’ BUNDLED IN. Namco have also managed to sidestep this by releasing the store POST RELEASE.
I figured this was going to happen, but also thought ahead like "I'm not going to like some of the early costumes." I bought the normal version of the game just because I found that I never need anything more than a base game. Halo Infinite is the only Halo I didn't buy, but I will still play the free online multiplayer after all these years.
I don't believe for a second this was a willing decision by the developers themselves, but there's no telling publishers no these days. Unchecked need for profits, and all that.
It's kinda crazy they can't just turn a plug into a loss for the plugger and a win for the person who didn't disconnect. Like why are they working with legal teams for and get permanent bans, so unnecessary for such a simple fix.
The single-use fireworks show remarkable creativity -they actually found a way for you to literally set money on fire while online. I'm a huge fan of legacy costumes and I'd be happy to pay so that the game can be updated season to season. But they are horribly over-priced. Slightly less awful than your competitors doesn't stop you from being awful. I don't even consider $4 a microtransaction. That's just a transaction -you can get a meal for that! So, instead of buying nearly all of them I'll be buying none of them. They are apparently offering story content in the future for free. This seems unnecessarily generous. I'd be happy to pay for extra story content each season. I feel they're doing this backwards. The costumes should be cheap and charge for the story stuff. I think most people would be happy to pay $20 for an extra 30-40 minute story addition once a year. Anyway, this reeks of the path DOA and MK took and all the ill-will those franschises have garnered (and SF is well on the way too...). Disappointed. I really hoped they'd find a better way to handle this kind of stuff. I thought they handled things pretty well in T7 where monetization was concerned but this is absolutely the worst direction for them to go in IMO.
"We're poor, starving executives and shareholders of a $14,000,000,000 company! PLEASE UNDERSTAND!" ...And somehow, they get away with it all the time. People grumble but still buy in. Some even make excuses and defend it. Someone once said that gamers are some of the biggest rubes on the planet. I'm starting to believe that.
@mDeconstructorThen what's your solution then as a consumer? Like it or not, voting with your wallet or ignoring the store is the best solution since you're not the developer.
You made great points in regards to the costumes. Compared to MK and SF, it is more affordable but in restropect the price remains unnecessarily high. Your comparison to puchasing T7 Anna puts things in prospective.
I bought Tekken BECAUSE they didn’t go the cash grab route like street fighter and mortal kombat. I might as well buy mk at this point. It’s my favorite out of the 3 but I passed on it out of respect for myself as a fan and consumer. Just for Tekken to end up being the most trifling
It's crazy to me that some rlly big content creators are rlly trying to downplay how bad this store is for the health of the game xD K-wiss out here arguing that it was an oversight for bumco to not mention the tekken store a month after release like holy fuck. just come out and say ur a shill.
This is insane to me, he is even streaming the cheating and nothing is being done. Imagine a streamer playing any other competitive game and blatantly cheating (CS or Dota for example) and being top of the global leaderboard. People would go crazy xD
Their priorities are all over the place specially with the cheating, It's embarrassing and sad. The predatory monetization, 70$ price tag with micro transactions, are all issues with the industry as a whole. Those practices are unfortunately socially accepted, and at least they're not treading into gambling territory. I have 0 issues with a store or people wanting to buy additional content on principle, it's just a sour taste considering the landscape. That being said, I believe there's no cause for too much alarm.
They delay the shop because they dont know if the game is gonna pop off or not. No point in releasing monitization if you dont have players. Everyone expects a shop to be in a game, even if told a million times otherwise.
It is so ABSURDLY scummy that they would be clearly developing the store alongside the game, say nothing about it being a "feature", drop the game and let the reviews roll in and THEN say "oh yeah here's your microtransaction store lol. what's that? punish pluggers? ban cheaters? balance? nah, here's a 4 dollar tekken bux pack."
Harada constantly pressed that the premium edition wouldn’t be coming back and insisted for us to pre order. It came out to almost $400.. now at the time of this video, it’s on sale for $150, I guess because they have too much stock or something … really disappointing
Much respect for making this video. The people who run companies like Bamco don't have a concept of "enough," which sadly means these practices will continue for as long as legions of bootlickers continue to defend them. There are even some people (teenagers? ugh) doing it in this comment section.
To fix plugger: If player disconnect, replace with ghost. If player pc explode, allow player to restart and open game again. Give chance to "reconnect to match". Then take control of ghost again and continue play.
This is actually a promising solution, but what happens when a connection is severed and both players beat each other's ghosts? Who should canonically win? Maybe the player who caused the dc should lose by default. I don't know. But pluggers need to be punished for sure.
@@khabug That's kinda what I meant. The player who caused the DC is thrown out of the game (back to main menu), but should be given a chance to reconnect to that match, If he doesn't, he automatically forfeits and loses points. During this time, the player who is still connected will be fighting against a ghost, which if they beat, they win and get points.
This is why Brawlhalla is king. When you disconnect in Brawlhalla you get replaced with a bot. The other player can then dunk on the bot and still get their points.
@@BridgetGX back when i was playing brawl 3 years ago, this was probably the BEST solution to rage quitters. and they still got prompted to rejoin, if tekken added this system it'll also be very hard to boost players.
Nah, this could be abused to boost. Just take double the points the loss would incur as well as time them out, scaling based on how frequently you dc. Doesn't even hurt people who legit drop connection, as they should spend the time they are timed out making sure their connection is stable anyway.
Players should not put a cent into this store until the plugging problem is punished in the least. Speak with your walllets. I wouldnt even buy the DLC chars until they do.
After Tekken 7 and all updates that made this game worse and worse overall (which was sad because ideas were very good) i didnt want to get Tekken 8 before some discount. Now i dont want to get it anytime. Hope there will be many more players like me and rest of them will go for mods, at least on PC. And meantime ill stick with first tag, DR and 6 with my sons. They might be not best titles (except tag) but give insane amount of fun without looking for updates etc.
I don’t understand why ppl are shocked that a million dollar multinational corporation is NOT YOUR FRIEND, they are in business to make money and there’s no gun to your head forcing you to buy costumes or buy the game at all , ppl wanna act so righteous 😂”I’m not playing ever again if they have an in game store” sure pal👍
”I’m not playing ever again if they have an in game store” Who said this? The scummy move was to put the store in after release to dodge negative reviews and to add additional costs to a feature that people expected to be part of the og game. "they are in business to make money" So? This won't stop them from being scummy.
Well as a gut reaction I was mostly fine with the shop, falling into thst category of I've seen worse, but a lot of the arguements here have convinced me it really is an outrage and I hope enough gamers will speak with their wallets here.
Doesn't the whole "if you payed extra for the higher edition of the game, then you'll have access to the DLC characters 72 hours before everyone else" thing kinda fall under paying for competitive advantage? Even if it's a temporary one
This to me is actually far more egregious than the store is (still not a fan of all that shit but still), its actually wild to me, especially cause you know the DLC characters are gonna be broken and no one will be able to lab them
I was just thinking that Harada was straight up LYING when he said "if we didn't sell dlc then the game would be shut down in a few months" What a load of CRAP. Tekken 8 sold "MORE THAN EXPECTED" according to Bandai. Why would the "expected" revenue not be enough to keep the game afloat? Why would they PLAN for the game to not be able to sustain itself in cost?? They DIDN'T. NO-ONE would make a game that costs too much for them to run, and pray that the "tekken shop" will keep it up.
It is not first not last time they have threatened that they will "have to end support for a game". It wasnt that long ago a similar situation with Total War W3, at least in that community something broke and as a whole we said they could go f**k themselves. Suddenly there was no more passiw-aggression or snickering at cliants and just start apologyies. Suddenly it was possible to start fixing a broken game from launch, to increase dlc content and not just price. It probably wont teach them much, nor us. But at least they be on better guard with bad decisions.
Keep in mind people Shimbori( Former Dead or alive 6 producer) is one of the producers of Tekken 8 This is why Tekken 8 has some dead or alive influence in its gameplay (counter hit throws, stage interactions, lounge, ect) Dead or alive 5 and Dead or alive 6 had RECORD PAID DLC......so hence Tekken Store
.... still couldn't get ALL of it for Last Round unless one was able to attend a specific Tecmo DoA tournament in Japan that has long since passed. If you went, you got 2 extra t-shirt skins for 2 of the girls..... pretty lame, all-around. I'm only missing those 2 skins. Oh and Season 4 was all licensed shit from Attack on Titan + Nihon Falcom games and it has been ENTIRELY, delisted 👎👎
Whats crazy is Im in a Tekken community that basically defended the cosmetic shop and currency system saying "4 bucks is fair, its not 2006 anymore", yet they charged us 70 dollars for the game on launch. The microtransactions are gonna do very well because of players like this. Dont even realize how much of bootlicking morons they sound like "because its my money and I can spend it how I want". Its called abusive business practices, your willingness to get pump and dumped by corporations isnt the flex you think it is bro
Yes coz it’s £70, I’m confused why you’re confused, we literally pay for the dlc characters for a full price game, if it was free to play then I’d understand. The pricing isn’t too bad compared to other games but still……
@@CJonak you realize the game was built from the ground up with a roadmap. You're saying you should be paying 70 euro for a game thats supposed to run for at least 5 years with additional characters, costumes, collaborations, and potentially modes/expanded story mode for DLC?
@@xer05tar I think you're mixing things up. People aren't complaining about paying for DLC characters, they're new to the game so sure, I'll pay if I wanna play them or just tierwhore. Costumes is a little bit different matter. Again if those are new highly detailed costumes then sure, I don't mind paying for those. But 4$ for a legacy costume? Really? Yes there's some work involved porting those into the game, but as have been proven by modders it's not a tremendous effort. The more people defend or stay passive about these type of practices, more outrageous they will become :\
@@mandatorycorpaccount bandai namco is a business not a charity. They dont owe anyone anything. If skins matter that much to people then get the PC version and use fhe mods. Otherwise as long as they're not selling power ups or balance changes. What they charge for a legacy costume should be their business. $4 is also subjectively very cheap..
@@FrameWhispererEh, the last games all had time in the wild before they released on console. I'd like your take on this question: Would you rather take the old approach or they just wait another year for release?
Its clear that the defenders of this MTX bullshit doesn't play any other games or doesn't have any other hobbies. Its even worse when you consider the livelihood of players who lives in 3rd world countries (which has been apparent throughout this past years that they are a huge percentage) where the base game literally translates to a weeks worth of minimum wage. For the price of Tekken I could've bought like a bunch of indie games that would've changed my life on how good they are. Not only that, the defenders are so fucking weird, like if this shit was for free everyone would be in a winwin situation (I guess except for those greedy fucks at the top)
The $70 dollar purchase plus season passes of the uncomming seasons isn't enough to support the game long term? Tekken 7, without this outfit tax, sold 6 million copies. Was the best performing tekken to date. Vote with your wallet, my fellow tekken players don't buy into this B.S. Don't feed into this outfit tax. Let the Devs know this is something that shouldn't be tolerated.
I feel all the gaming companies are going this route and almost if not all companies are driven by greed. I guarantee you will be forced to quit but I hope you don't because I love your content. It's just a game in the end but it would be less fun without framewhiperer
Money ruins everything. Tekken was in my opinion the best, most accessible fighting game for the longest time in my childhood. The finally make the best Tekken since perhaps T3 and now are ruining it with microtransactions. It's sad. The good days of affordable gaming are done.
You dont actually need to buy the costumes. And lets be real, the days of affordable gaming ended when we started accepting things like Day 1 editions, and $/£50+ games.
Gaming has literally never been more affordable. Or should we go back to the NES days with consoles that cost like $800 in today's money, and games that were like $100? Somehow that was more affordable than a $400 console and $70 game?
based frame one of the only content creators left with proper integrity and actively criticising the tekken shop accurately and not shilling it outright like everyone else
Reminder: all of the costumes can be modded in. You don’t need to pay a dime. Only con is that it’s client side so your opponent can’t see it but honestly that doesn’t matter.
Premium terms are used to make you feel more prestigious when purchasing or to make a low value product seem of higher quality. You don't want to be without the premium product do you? Oh the shame you would feel.
6:47 i felt this way too about the tekken talk. when they said it was going to happen, they said they were gonna talk about tekken shop and character adjustments / bug fixes, then when it came to the character adjustments they said virtually nothing then spent half the stream showing us merch to buy (which wasnt mentioned at all)
I didn't realize they were copyright striking modders on youtube, that's messed up. I personally didn't find the store idea too offensive personally but that really changes everything
I still get random crashes, I dont think I can go one session without it crashing at least once, they need to fix it and stop worrying about the goddamn store
I love your take on Tekken and Bamco, and how you delineate between the two. No holds barred. The straight dope. The unfettered, unafraid, unapologetic criticism, and yet love for the game. thanks for your commentary
When it comes to recording, assuming you have an nvidia gpu just turn on shadowplay's feature to record the last X minutes automatically. Then it's as simple as pressing one button combination to save the recording. Ezpz.
I would've never thought to wind up being happy about not being able to buy the game at launch. The fact that they announced the store about a month after releasing the game is one of if not the worst thing they've ever done (at least for now)
I agree. I intended to buy it at launch, but decided not to, because I'm kinda busy with other things atm and Tekken can wait. And turns out it wasn't a bad decision after all. There's still a 99% chance I will buy this game, but I'll wait a bit and see how things turn out. With plugging being rampant and balance being all over the place, there is no rush for me to buy this game. I will wait and see if they fix those things, and then buy the game. Maybe I get lucky and even catch a sale somewhere. But yeah, I'm kinda glad I didn't rush to buy it at launch.
The beauty of Tekken is the legacy. Sure there are some busted characters, and cheating online, and the store is coming. But practice mode exists, the story mode is pretty good, and the store is obviously optional.
For the people comparing this to sf6. The fighter coin system (sf6 premium currency) was in the game at launch and discussed pre release. At least we were made aware they were doing it pre purchase, Bamco is pulling the stealth scumbaggery and sneaking it in a month later after the reviews are out.
Mate you are going to get story stuff for free and some stuff for free, I dont get people complain but it actually other people's business what they buy, also did you heard that they are going to add more features to tekken 8 from this money from the shop. Also speaking about your point what is the difference that tekken shop is here month later, also the shop is not expensive so grow up, its the same thing with your having amazon prime, but paying for movies
As long as there is no energy system/p2w/lootboxes, we are good. XD But srsly, I've found your criticisms against Bamco too much at times, but this time it is on point. Revealing an in-game currency on a later notice is really devious.
My least concern is them selling customs. I actually don't mind it because us console players didn't have the opportunity to do anything outside what was on the game. My biggest concern is the pluggers. Something has to be done to s combat pluggers. Maybe deduct their points and rank after a certain amount of reports or something.
Huh… am I the only one that don’t care that they have a tekken shop and tekken coin? Like sure, they might planned this but it is optional. It’s not like you HAVE to buy them, and only targets those that wants it. I mean, this is not the only game where you can buy a cosmetics / emotes and such, I’ve played my fair share of games where you just pay once and done and then there’s also games where there’s a shop where you can buy stuffs. I don’t know why, but I’m just seeing this as Tekken and Banco just following the trend that SF6 did, but if you say it’s wrong because this is a fighting game, then does the other games that do this things also wrong? If it is wrong, then I just see that an unfair for other games that did this. But it’s from someone who doesn’t have a brain as you said, so what do I know :)
People are just bitching because it's trendy now. They are drama queens who act like those big bad evil companies are literally ruining their lives over optional costumes, completely forgetting the last month where everyone was gushing about how great the game was, but somehow that same game was taken away from them? It sucks that manufactured outrage is what gets the views, likes, clicks, etc.
I hate modern gaming, i didn't buy the game because the demo didn't run smoothly on my pc, i was hyped for a year waiting for the game, but this is really disgusting. The problem with the fgc is that the influencers will not come up and criticize the companies doing this because all they want is that special treatment they get from the corporations if they stay inline, influencers are the ones who should be talking about it and criticizing these practices especially the big channels. That is why i never trust anything these influencers say, they are a bunch of boot lickers always goofing around instead of actually doing something useful for the genre, everything is sunshine and rainbows whenever they talk about a game, the criticism is kept to a minimun, that's why they get to fly to try every new game, they get to have early access to the game for months before everyone which is cheating but nobody cares, I'm 43 and i really hate what gaming has become.
Been playing around an hour of T8 a day so far, haven't been plugged on yet. I dislike in game stores and real life currency with a passion but I choose to ignore it personally. Love watching your videos, glad you started making them again. Wish you the best. Edit: i just got plugged for the first time.
The customization in Tekken 8 is very low effort compared to its little brother Soulcalibur and it turns out that they don't put the effort in it but change it to a cash grab... I chose to play Tekken while coping on the next Soulcalibur game but the way bamco behaves really worries me about the future of their products and the future of fighting games.
I honestly was hoping for a Character unlocking Feature Like in old Tekken but unfortunatly all characters already there from The start of the Game, It Sure is more fun to have Something to do and have a Challenge for unlocking a Character or Mode but OK t8 still nice.
Reading the comments it's sad seeing people get stuck on the current 4$ price tag, and not see the degrading state of the game and industry over time due to greedy monetization. My friend, you're paying more for something you already had before, for less or for free. I agree that frame might be overreacting a bit, but maybe that's warranted considering how socially accepted it has become.
I think you hit the nail on the head quite well with what you said about the generational divide. I may only be in my mid 20s, but even I remember when the focus of a game was for the enjoyment of the player. There were little to no microtransactions, little to no DLC, little to no bugs on launch, and the developers actually interacted with and listened to their communities regarding feedback or criticism. Nowadays though, its quite literally the complete opposite. Almost every corporation have become these soulless entities where the ONLY goal is to squeeze as much money out of their consumers as they can. Its just extremely sad to see. All of that being said, I have really been enjoying Tekken 8. Its because I love this franchise so much that I am so sad to see this panel and the direction they plan to take with the game. They are just like the rest of these corpos and are going to heavily focus their time and resources into getting as much money as possible out of us, instead of improving the experience for their already existing player base (that already shelled out quite a bit of money to play the game). I just wish there was something we could do to combat this type of behavior, but there are simply too many people who are more than willing to continue this horrid spending model and play right into their greedy hands. So yea, I'm right there with you Frame, and its so refreshing to see that I'm not the only person who sees and thinks about these issues. Also as always, I love your videos and I'm so glad you put out your honest thoughts and ideas because its at least something we can do as a community.
I do find it amusing how desensitized I am with micro transactions that when they revealed the prices for the costumes, I thought "not that bad" lol. I just say vote with your wallet. There's no need to really be upset about these microtransactions since they're only cosmetic, especially if you're on pc where you can just use mods. Now if, they somehow start doing gacha elements or actually start doing something that's pay to win, that's where everyone should draw the line. I don't really care if Bandai Namco as a company dissolves tomorrow for whatever reason, but I also don't care about spending my energy being mad about cosmetics that are ultimately up to me to decide to buy or not. Just my two cents
As a consumer I think its ok to be upset. To try and set standards of what our labor and money is worth. Since the cosmetics have already been created and $70 is steep as it is. It would have been awesome to just have the costumes in the base game. It's scummy business practice
I disagree, pay to look good is as big as a problem pay to win. The more things you lock behind a paywall, the more you take away from potential in game rewards. I remember when the first resident evil 4 came out they had these cool little action figures that are unlocked by playing more of the game, and it made me want to play more. Now imagine those locked away behind a paywall. Before, those action figures stood for you achieving something ingame, with paywalls, now it just means you're a whale. So no, paywalls ARE a big problem.
@@mourning_sun_ I understand what you're saying, but in that case, you're saying six months from now, when they start releasing skins that they didn't develop before hand, there's no reason to complain. For me as a consumer, paying $70 felt reasonable for what we got in the base game, that's why I bought it. I already made that decision. Now I have to make another decision for if I want to buy these costumes. You knew exactly what you were getting. It's unreasonable to get upset about something you feel that you should've gotten. Of course, it's very much your right to be upset about what you want, but I just don't see the reason for it when the only thing that Bamco will listen to is how much or how little money they make from this. So again, vote with your wallet
@@dunrossb I get where you're coming from, but for me, paying for cosmetics is way less egregious than if they started to do something like locking moves behind a paywall, as an extreme example
Skeevy middle-man currencies are one of my least favourite parts about microtransactions. I mean I don't like microtransactions in general outside of F2P games where you have to have *some* revenue stream I guess. But even in most of those they're usually implemented in a scummy way. My hope is that countries eventually start outlawing in-game middle-man currencies and just requiring straight-up posted prices for direct in-game purchases. It's 100% predatory as hell.
every fighting game is gonna have a game pass and a ingame currency. Every additional character and stage is gonna be DLC for 19.99€ . Great Times paying 70€ for half of the content
@@runayswarts970 yes if I pay a full price I am entitled for a Full roster how bout that bro. Especially if New characters gonna be S Tier and I cant even use them in Training Mode like Tekken 7. At this point we talking about Pay2win.
Thats why I'm starting to not buy games until after the 2-3 week period of initial reception. These companies are just biding their time to get positive public reception before they pull the rug out from under the the consumer and implement predatory monetization.
To all the people that read this comment and play Tekken, I have a plea; please refrain from purchasing anything in their "Tekken shop". The game is good but micro transactions are not. These features should have been in the game without a paywall as stated in this video. We have to show Bandai Namco that this is not acceptable and the only way doing that is not supporting their monetization with purchases.
@@spelljordin I am sure you can donate money to them or just buy a more expensive edition if you want to give them even more money than they already earn by just selling the game itself. The point I am making is NOT that you shouldn't support the game or publishers for making a good game but rather that you shouldn't support filthy marketing tactics to charge you outrageous amounts of money for content that should be included in the base game.
I'm with you on this 100%. But the fact of the matter is that VAST MAJORITY OF CONSOOMERS do not care. They are completely mindless when it comes to this. They will just see their favourite characters get a semi-decent costume and they will throw their wallets at this. They don't care that this right there was a content cut from the base game which was already finished before launch. If we try to post your comment on twitter or reddit to get more traction it is going to get downvoted by the same idiots saying stuff like "then don't buy it lol?". People still pre-order games, buy "microtransactions", season-passes and battle passes in games that are not free-to-play and they just don't care how much they are being ripped-off. So in current climate of "gaming" it would authentically be an anomaly if we were to have a large wave of players actually not supporting this scummy tekken shop launch
@@TheNevendero Best example for this is GTA 5 i guess, there was cut content because people invested so much money into Online that they didnt bother anymore, it just hurts. The Alienfigurines on the Rock where there for a reason teasing the DLC but it never came.
Tekken Store: 06:33
I'm 40 years old, I've been a fan of Tekken since 1996, and I belive you are right in everything you're saying, but you're also wrong. Please consider TTT2 offered a whole lot of content for free and failed, while Mortal Kombat and DoA were capitalizing on DLC payed content. It is not Harada or Murray's fault that the industry has changed. As far as Namco, they're just a company ruled by old people who probably don't play games or care about any of that. They're doing what everyone else is and their only concern is being competitive in the market and growing. Basically, you're asking them to have some "ethics" or "morals", and they tried that (remember Harada once said he would resign if stuff like that ever happened?) and the only thing they achieved was looking like FOOLS. You are just acusing them of doing things RIGHT. The psychological tricks, the fact that they waited to reveal the store, and even the fact that they're offering some free content in the store to generate good will is them doing things RIGHT, just like Tekken 8 itself, which seems to me like the best Tekken game so far, and the best fighting game right now. If they were to make DLC payed content more ethically, in a way that you would approve, to the rest of the companies, to the whole world, they would just look like a backwards company who doesn't understand yet how to properly commercialize their game. Now, remember that TTT2 didn't get outfits or seasons, same for games older than that, and T7 didn't get a lot of extra outfits or more customization items (and people said they were too little). What if this time we can get all of Yoshimitsu's outfits from every Tekken and Soul Calibur game, for example? I just think parents should educate their children, watch them out more, because there are new risks and you're not supposed to leave them alone in front of a monitor, just like you're not supposed to leave them alone in the middle of the street. I hope this perspective allows you to be less angry about the current situation and you can enjoy Tekken 8 more. If you need more reasons to enjoy Tekken 8, just watch some Mortal Kombat 1 videos here on youtube and find out all the shit MK fans are swallowing, and how the people responsible are threating their fans. You'll see that Tekken 8 is handling everything, not just the game, more ethically, humble and respectful than certain other companies, and they''re leading right now, showing others how things should be done in the future. This includes, for example, listening to the fans, listening to the pro players (ignored by other companies) and delivering a base game with A LOT of content from the beginning. In the end of the day, however, this is a JOB for Harada and Murray, and a BUSINESS for Namco. I hope you can make peace with that, because it was also the case for every single Tekken game before. The only difference is that times and technology changes with time.
Holy based . keep fighting the good fight brother.
@@louesorg hope harada sees this bro
@@louesorgthis is the end of Tekken
I thoroughly enjoyed this game, I would even pay double the amount for this game, I don't see a problem,
a new product added to the game that is not in the base game requires payment, costumes don't make themselves, developers also have families and they also have to eat, it's called work, just like you don't make these videos on TH-cam for free, that's It's called hypocrisy, I would blame it if the game was only poor in the base game, but it's not, In my opinion, this is the best fighting game of the decade, and I'm more of a street fighter player, all fighting games must find way to make money, their games have to pay for maintaining servers, sponsoring tournaments, and there is also inflation, and the investment has to be recouped before tekken 9 gets the green light,
if you're going to nitpick, nitpick games like mk1 that you could write a book about the problems there
But Frame! You can't ignore Namco's generosity in NOT charging us $5 for frame data!
That thing made me quit T7...like no i m not going to pay to have the most minimal thing a fighting game can have...frame talks about paying for some advantage in T7, frame data were just that, people who paud got more info in game than people who didn t...scummy bamco
@@H1nted your also paying 5 dollars for something the main developer of the video game says he hates. He dislikes the idea people can check frame data due to the fact the video game would be more easily "solved" the niech things with frame data was for the people who intentionally looked deeper into the games like the pros. The game turns into focusing on the frame data instead of focusing on what you like to do win or lose.
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I've actually heard this take unironically on reddit and twitter.
Its whisp. Frame is just for his close friends dude
4 dollars for a costume, but I can guarantee you that the currency will be in 5 dollar increments
Wouldn't a 3.5 dollar increment be more scumbaggy tho?
Then don’t buy it?
What a smoothbrained take@@luhhtee2547
It's one dollar per currency coin or whatever they're calling it
That's way too clean. You will buy 1000 (plus 150 free!) Tekken Coins and be able to buy a costume for 450, leaving you with 250 after you buy two. Darn...but I'm over halfway to the next costume! I can just buy 500 tekken coins this time...at least I get 100 free with it.
Frame Whisperer absolutely loves Tekken to death, so you KNOW it is SERIOUS when he makes a critical response like this. Bless you brother for being the voice of the people.🍷
You are the one guy I trusted to make this video. Unfortunately, we lost this battle a long time ago as every company that implements this makes unbelievable profit despite backlash, and it’ll be the same here. Way too many people are okay with getting nickel and dimed
Yeah it's a case of they put it out there, it's no longer "if" it'll catch on, it's "when", and that's a dark thought to have
At least maybe there will be 50/50 on accessable costumes and pay to get costumes? I kinda hope...
@@Kreasddjb copium, maybe they will add some stuff u can get by grinding to reduce the backlash a bit (if there is even enough that they pretend to care)
@@Zlatko815 dude you just said the same but in another words are u dumb?
Can't be nickel and dimes when you gave the mfs what they asked for and you just want what you ask from them back, some money
It all started with tekken revolution
It all started with bandai x namco's fusion
I like it when Frame doesn't pull any punches and just says what needs to be said.
Frame was not gonna sugarcoat it
its a shame alot of people would rather stay quiet about issues plauging the game so they can be in good graces for early acess and such. its like letting a tooth rot so you can go to the dentist and get a toothbrush goodie bag
@@yoko_bbythe shame is not about those who stay quite. But about those who actually start to protect develipers and company who implements such schemes
World need more honest people
@@letlifeflow1254 Real facts. The truth.
I did not react before but I did watch your videos. And this is the only person person that is not afraid to point out the bs they did.
So many content creators/streamers/commentators say $4 is fine, "you don't have to buy it". But they are completely missing the point. The deception and lies from hiding this before the release, and the way HOW microtransactions are implemented is very poor. This has to be called out no matter how much we love Tekken games.
The whole Tekken Live Talk was about the shop. Meanwhile, everyone is plugging in ranked with 0 consequences. Some silly reports is not stopping these players from doing it. The anti plug/ragequit should be in the game from literally launch day. Your core game is not even working properly, and we are already talking about microtransactions...
I'd rather pay modders than greedy companies
Those modders work off already established work so buzz off bro 😭🙏🏻
@@QuestAccepterthey make plenty new work and even if those modder modify existing work, they make the game fun ..and don't charge you bucks....not to mention plenty games survive decades thanks to modders keeping gaming visuals uptodate,this creating an active community like Skyrims....so stop choking on bamco's cock bro...
@@QuestAccepterlmao they make plenty new work, and even if those modder modify existing work, they make the game fun ..and don't charge you bucks....not to mention plenty games survive decades , eg. Skyrim,thanks to modders keeping gaming visuals uptodate,thus creating an active community.....so stop choking on bamco's c*ck bro
@@QuestAccepterregardless they make it fun and absolutely free so get Bamco's salami of your oropharynx bro
When its modders its all that liberation talk, but when I come at you wit that dev talk its meat & dick. Shut ya behind up, your redirect cope don't change your modders need someone else's work to do theirs. Your behind sorry you know that? @@aureuskeith2312
Absolutely correct, it's maddening seeing people treat TEKKEN DEVELOPERS like they're some indie studio from east europe that can't afford gas money to reach the workplace. It seems people just decided tekken 8 is overall a good product so they can tolerate a kick in the balls or ten...
Exactly. But it doesn't feel like a kick in the balls when you get a good product that they seem committed to support and build on for the next 10 years as they said they wanted the game to last that long.
One of the real ones left
Frame pretty much gave up on getting future Namco perks with this one lol. Much respect.
Idk that ship sailed a while ago lol
@@bilbobaggins7075 TMM used to shit on bamco and tekken devs but its been a while ig
And it's really funny that pretty much every major twitter account is dickriding bamco like it's ranked and they want to become god of dickriding, when not only is it clear that the coin system only exists to incentivize people spending more money unnecessarily AND this game had probably the worst customisation yet quite specifically so that their market should have a purpose. Bamco isn't a tiny studio which doesn't get funding and the shop items aren't going to help the devs themselves in any real way since in case people don't know this devs are salaried when it comes to big studios and the percentages off of profits goes to producers and not devs.
So thank you for not mincing it and putting it in no uncertain terms that how shit tekken producers imo always have been.
The point you make about devs being salaried is why people need to stop directing their anger about monetisation systems at them.
@@burni988 harada afaik is a producer as well as basically their PR relations for some reason, other than that yeah devs usually are not responsible for economic decisions like these and economic decisions also include balancing, character design, and even story beats to a large degree
Namco showed their true face when they sold Frame Data as DLC. Never forget that
I don't think that was anything like as bad tbh. That was an extra. The Devs'd always been against publishing frame data in game and I understand why. They've caved to the pressures of the new environment where it's expected but it was an extra several years after the game was published -its reasonable that providing something extra like that be paid for. It vwas free with T8 as it should be.
This is just greedy though. They'd make a handsome profit on legacy costumes if they were $1.50 each. $4 is horrific (even though its significantly cheaper than the competition...). 20 legacy costumes'll cost you more than the entire game. I can assure you I use far more than 20 legacy costume mods in T7.
Wait they actually really did that? Wtf
@@karnagefails333Namco literally charge player for the most basic training mode stuff like frame data, where in another fighting game even F2P fighting game has that for free
Crying over frame dlc in 2024 when Bandai has delivered on T7 even after that and even after that with T8 😭
Tekken is namco's cashcow, so not surprised they'd do this.
Another suss thing to be aware of - Usually, Deluxe/Ultimate Editions have a chunk of ‘Premium Currency’ BUNDLED IN.
Namco have also managed to sidestep this by releasing the store POST RELEASE.
Maybe Namco can be shamed into "generously" starting the premium-edition buyers off with a reasonable stack of Tekkenbucks at no additional cost.
I figured this was going to happen, but also thought ahead like "I'm not going to like some of the early costumes." I bought the normal version of the game just because I found that I never need anything more than a base game. Halo Infinite is the only Halo I didn't buy, but I will still play the free online multiplayer after all these years.
Nothing beats tag 2’s decal customization 😤
1 thing you have to remember on Play Station you have to buy a subscription to play online this Shop is just stupid and abusive for a consumer
Xbox as well. So we're paying 120 dollars a year, 70 dollars for the game, and then if you do 4x32 characters. Like.
I don't believe for a second this was a willing decision by the developers themselves, but there's no telling publishers no these days. Unchecked need for profits, and all that.
It's kinda crazy they can't just turn a plug into a loss for the plugger and a win for the person who didn't disconnect. Like why are they working with legal teams for and get permanent bans, so unnecessary for such a simple fix.
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They should do both. Perma bans for habitual pluggers and the loss/win for disconnect
There must be a good reason for it, like it's hard to code or something, literally no fighting game does this.
@@NicholasMakaveli agree, and the permaban needs to happen to stop ppl from boosting, not just plugging.
@@abhishekvalsangkar I thought mk did this. Also sf6?
The single-use fireworks show remarkable creativity -they actually found a way for you to literally set money on fire while online.
I'm a huge fan of legacy costumes and I'd be happy to pay so that the game can be updated season to season. But they are horribly over-priced. Slightly less awful than your competitors doesn't stop you from being awful.
I don't even consider $4 a microtransaction. That's just a transaction -you can get a meal for that!
So, instead of buying nearly all of them I'll be buying none of them.
They are apparently offering story content in the future for free. This seems unnecessarily generous. I'd be happy to pay for extra story content each season. I feel they're doing this backwards. The costumes should be cheap and charge for the story stuff. I think most people would be happy to pay $20 for an extra 30-40 minute story addition once a year.
Anyway, this reeks of the path DOA and MK took and all the ill-will those franschises have garnered (and SF is well on the way too...). Disappointed. I really hoped they'd find a better way to handle this kind of stuff.
I thought they handled things pretty well in T7 where monetization was concerned but this is absolutely the worst direction for them to go in IMO.
"We're poor, starving executives and shareholders of a $14,000,000,000 company! PLEASE UNDERSTAND!" ...And somehow, they get away with it all the time. People grumble but still buy in. Some even make excuses and defend it. Someone once said that gamers are some of the biggest rubes on the planet. I'm starting to believe that.
Just don't buy it. Easy.
I think it's a good way to fund the continued development of content for the game.
@@Aries0098 That doesn't fix the problem, that's just closing your eyes and pretending it will go away
@@matthewbaer7871 Then what were the premium editions and DLC price tags for?
@mDeconstructorThen what's your solution then as a consumer? Like it or not, voting with your wallet or ignoring the store is the best solution since you're not the developer.
i think they're already scumbags for not having a benchmark on the PC version for ranked online play.
framedrops ruin the game.
You made great points in regards to the costumes. Compared to MK and SF, it is more affordable but in restropect the price remains unnecessarily high. Your comparison to puchasing T7 Anna puts things in prospective.
I bought Tekken BECAUSE they didn’t go the cash grab route like street fighter and mortal kombat. I might as well buy mk at this point. It’s my favorite out of the 3 but I passed on it out of respect for myself as a fan and consumer. Just for Tekken to end up being the most trifling
MK and SF costumes look a thousand times better. This looks disgustingly cheap, not even worth $4.
It's crazy to me that some rlly big content creators are rlly trying to downplay how bad this store is for the health of the game xD
K-wiss out here arguing that it was an oversight for bumco to not mention the tekken store a month after release like holy fuck. just come out and say ur a shill.
Watching SF6, MK1, and now Tekken 8 is full of cosmetic MTX BS, now I realized that DOA 6 is way ahead of the time LOL
Fariborz was top 3 of the global ladder last time I checked.
YUP
This is insane to me, he is even streaming the cheating and nothing is being done. Imagine a streamer playing any other competitive game and blatantly cheating (CS or Dota for example) and being top of the global leaderboard. People would go crazy xD
@@ScottFraser1991They already said that they're waiting until all the legal precautions are in order.
@@BeretBay apparently they do that since tekken 7 days. Hopefully they will be done waiting by the time tekken 9 rolls around.
@@BeretBay every game does it, but somehow only Bamco has problem with legal stuff, sure.. It's not just a PR talk sure...
"Unless you are a member of a large species of marine mammal" was such a good intro hahaha
🎶 Whales. How's many games now have them? Whales 🎵
Their priorities are all over the place specially with the cheating, It's embarrassing and sad.
The predatory monetization, 70$ price tag with micro transactions, are all issues with the industry as a whole. Those practices are unfortunately socially accepted, and at least they're not treading into gambling territory.
I have 0 issues with a store or people wanting to buy additional content on principle, it's just a sour taste considering the landscape. That being said, I believe there's no cause for too much alarm.
Delay the shop a month to avoid any mention of it in reviews is such a scumbag move that unfortunately lots of developers have been adopting.
That should be illegal for at least a year after release. It is a deception against consumers.
If they had it day 1 your stupid ass would be whining about on disc dlc lmao
They delay the shop because they dont know if the game is gonna pop off or not. No point in releasing monitization if you dont have players. Everyone expects a shop to be in a game, even if told a million times otherwise.
@@jinxx8456 how much they're payingyou
@@jinxx8456 nah, bootlicker
It is so ABSURDLY scummy that they would be clearly developing the store alongside the game, say nothing about it being a "feature", drop the game and let the reviews roll in and THEN say "oh yeah here's your microtransaction store lol. what's that? punish pluggers? ban cheaters? balance? nah, here's a 4 dollar tekken bux pack."
Harada constantly pressed that the premium edition wouldn’t be coming back and insisted for us to pre order. It came out to almost $400.. now at the time of this video, it’s on sale for $150, I guess because they have too much stock or something … really disappointing
Much respect for making this video. The people who run companies like Bamco don't have a concept of "enough," which sadly means these practices will continue for as long as legions of bootlickers continue to defend them. There are even some people (teenagers? ugh) doing it in this comment section.
To fix plugger: If player disconnect, replace with ghost.
If player pc explode, allow player to restart and open game again. Give chance to "reconnect to match". Then take control of ghost again and continue play.
This is actually a promising solution, but what happens when a connection is severed and both players beat each other's ghosts? Who should canonically win?
Maybe the player who caused the dc should lose by default. I don't know. But pluggers need to be punished for sure.
@@khabug That's kinda what I meant. The player who caused the DC is thrown out of the game (back to main menu), but should be given a chance to reconnect to that match, If he doesn't, he automatically forfeits and loses points. During this time, the player who is still connected will be fighting against a ghost, which if they beat, they win and get points.
This is why Brawlhalla is king. When you disconnect in Brawlhalla you get replaced with a bot. The other player can then dunk on the bot and still get their points.
@@BridgetGX back when i was playing brawl 3 years ago, this was probably the BEST solution to rage quitters. and they still got prompted to rejoin, if tekken added this system it'll also be very hard to boost players.
Nah, this could be abused to boost. Just take double the points the loss would incur as well as time them out, scaling based on how frequently you dc. Doesn't even hurt people who legit drop connection, as they should spend the time they are timed out making sure their connection is stable anyway.
I already know the DLC characters are going to be broken as heck
Players should not put a cent into this store until the plugging problem is punished in the least. Speak with your walllets. I wouldnt even buy the DLC chars until they do.
After Tekken 7 and all updates that made this game worse and worse overall (which was sad because ideas were very good) i didnt want to get Tekken 8 before some discount. Now i dont want to get it anytime. Hope there will be many more players like me and rest of them will go for mods, at least on PC. And meantime ill stick with first tag, DR and 6 with my sons. They might be not best titles (except tag) but give insane amount of fun without looking for updates etc.
I am a large marine mammal and I love this video!
I can understand people saying they dont care, cant understand people saying it is fine.
I don’t understand why ppl are shocked that a million dollar multinational corporation is NOT YOUR FRIEND, they are in business to make money and there’s no gun to your head forcing you to buy costumes or buy the game at all , ppl wanna act so righteous 😂”I’m not playing ever again if they have an in game store” sure pal👍
Well said. I feel people just want to cry now and days.
”I’m not playing ever again if they have an in game store” Who said this?
The scummy move was to put the store in after release to dodge negative reviews and to add additional costs to a feature that people expected to be part of the og game.
"they are in business to make money"
So? This won't stop them from being scummy.
Well as a gut reaction I was mostly fine with the shop, falling into thst category of I've seen worse, but a lot of the arguements here have convinced me it really is an outrage and I hope enough gamers will speak with their wallets here.
Doesn't the whole "if you payed extra for the higher edition of the game, then you'll have access to the DLC characters 72 hours before everyone else" thing kinda fall under paying for competitive advantage? Even if it's a temporary one
It does. I should have talked about that too.
This is the same company that gave us T7 release Leroy, they'll gladly sell us a competitive advantage.
This to me is actually far more egregious than the store is (still not a fan of all that shit but still), its actually wild to me, especially cause you know the DLC characters are gonna be broken and no one will be able to lab them
Had to make them feel less shafted for paying for the "ULITIMATE" edition and not getting much for it.
They've been doing this shit since 7, making people pay to see frame data
I was just thinking that Harada was straight up LYING when he said "if we didn't sell dlc then the game would be shut down in a few months"
What a load of CRAP. Tekken 8 sold "MORE THAN EXPECTED" according to Bandai. Why would the "expected" revenue not be enough to keep the game afloat? Why would they PLAN for the game to not be able to sustain itself in cost?? They DIDN'T. NO-ONE would make a game that costs too much for them to run, and pray that the "tekken shop" will keep it up.
It is not first not last time they have threatened that they will "have to end support for a game".
It wasnt that long ago a similar situation with Total War W3, at least in that community something broke and as a whole we said they could go f**k themselves. Suddenly there was no more passiw-aggression or snickering at cliants and just start apologyies. Suddenly it was possible to start fixing a broken game from launch, to increase dlc content and not just price.
It probably wont teach them much, nor us. But at least they be on better guard with bad decisions.
Keep in mind people Shimbori( Former Dead or alive 6 producer) is one of the producers of Tekken 8
This is why Tekken 8 has some dead or alive influence in its gameplay (counter hit throws, stage interactions, lounge, ect)
Dead or alive 5 and Dead or alive 6 had RECORD PAID DLC......so hence Tekken Store
Inb4 they go full DOA5
Getting all the costumes for DOA5 would cost you about as much as Verbalase spent on that video
.... still couldn't get ALL of it for Last Round unless one was able to attend a specific Tecmo DoA tournament in Japan that has long since passed. If you went, you got 2 extra t-shirt skins for 2 of the girls..... pretty lame, all-around. I'm only missing those 2 skins. Oh and Season 4 was all licensed shit from Attack on Titan + Nihon Falcom games and it has been ENTIRELY, delisted 👎👎
Actually those two where available for everyone for a short time so yeah
Whats crazy is Im in a Tekken community that basically defended the cosmetic shop and currency system saying "4 bucks is fair, its not 2006 anymore", yet they charged us 70 dollars for the game on launch.
The microtransactions are gonna do very well because of players like this. Dont even realize how much of bootlicking morons they sound like "because its my money and I can spend it how I want". Its called abusive business practices, your willingness to get pump and dumped by corporations isnt the flex you think it is bro
32 characters x $4 is $128........ That's a ton of money.......smh
@@jfreakzachpick and choose, no need to buy everything as it won’t take away from your tekken experience
@@FinalFlame12345These people see it and want to buy it. No discipline😂
Have you not played dead or alive? This is nothing compared to that bs lol
This is not a pump and dump lol
Tekken Revolution 2.0
It’s a £70 game, cosmetics should be free
Forever? Lol are you serious?
Yes coz it’s £70, I’m confused why you’re confused, we literally pay for the dlc characters for a full price game, if it was free to play then I’d understand. The pricing isn’t too bad compared to other games but still……
@@CJonak you realize the game was built from the ground up with a roadmap. You're saying you should be paying 70 euro for a game thats supposed to run for at least 5 years with additional characters, costumes, collaborations, and potentially modes/expanded story mode for DLC?
@@xer05tar I think you're mixing things up. People aren't complaining about paying for DLC characters, they're new to the game so sure, I'll pay if I wanna play them or just tierwhore. Costumes is a little bit different matter. Again if those are new highly detailed costumes then sure, I don't mind paying for those. But 4$ for a legacy costume? Really? Yes there's some work involved porting those into the game, but as have been proven by modders it's not a tremendous effort. The more people defend or stay passive about these type of practices, more outrageous they will become :\
@@mandatorycorpaccount bandai namco is a business not a charity. They dont owe anyone anything. If skins matter that much to people then get the PC version and use fhe mods. Otherwise as long as they're not selling power ups or balance changes. What they charge for a legacy costume should be their business. $4 is also subjectively very cheap..
Pokemon, Tekken and Monster Hunter used to be day 1 purchases for me. Now it's just Monster Hunter.
Monster hunter dev team is just fcking goated
give it time, they’ll join the other two
At the very least they could fix the disconnect percentage.
facts
No, at the very least, that feature should be working on launch.
@@FrameWhisperer it was a feature implemented in tekken 7 gen , no reason to not be there still
@@FrameWhisperer you try making a game then
@@FrameWhispererEh, the last games all had time in the wild before they released on console. I'd like your take on this question: Would you rather take the old approach or they just wait another year for release?
Soooo scummy... I would bet someone elses tekken coins (cause i am not spending a dime) that a gatcha mechanic will be implemented at some point.
Its clear that the defenders of this MTX bullshit doesn't play any other games or doesn't have any other hobbies. Its even worse when you consider the livelihood of players who lives in 3rd world countries (which has been apparent throughout this past years that they are a huge percentage) where the base game literally translates to a weeks worth of minimum wage. For the price of Tekken I could've bought like a bunch of indie games that would've changed my life on how good they are. Not only that, the defenders are so fucking weird, like if this shit was for free everyone would be in a winwin situation (I guess except for those greedy fucks at the top)
The $70 dollar purchase plus season passes of the uncomming seasons isn't enough to support the game long term? Tekken 7, without this outfit tax, sold 6 million copies. Was the best performing tekken to date. Vote with your wallet, my fellow tekken players don't buy into this B.S. Don't feed into this outfit tax. Let the Devs know this is something that shouldn't be tolerated.
I feel all the gaming companies are going this route and almost if not all companies are driven by greed. I guarantee you will be forced to quit but I hope you don't because I love your content. It's just a game in the end but it would be less fun without framewhiperer
Fuck this shop bs.
Im sticking with mods.
Money ruins everything. Tekken was in my opinion the best, most accessible fighting game for the longest time in my childhood. The finally make the best Tekken since perhaps T3 and now are ruining it with microtransactions. It's sad. The good days of affordable gaming are done.
You dont actually need to buy the costumes. And lets be real, the days of affordable gaming ended when we started accepting things like Day 1 editions, and $/£50+ games.
PSA: agressive monetization tactics such as these existed back then too. Just in a different form.
Gaming has literally never been more affordable. Or should we go back to the NES days with consoles that cost like $800 in today's money, and games that were like $100? Somehow that was more affordable than a $400 console and $70 game?
based frame
one of the only content creators left with proper integrity and actively criticising the tekken shop accurately and not shilling it outright like everyone else
I always found that the female options were lacking compared to the male ones.
Now I know why.
Sex sells but who's buying
@@randomstuff4762everyone?
Reminder: all of the costumes can be modded in. You don’t need to pay a dime.
Only con is that it’s client side so your opponent can’t see it but honestly that doesn’t matter.
How is that a con? Id love to not see my opponents awful custom skins.
You can’t mod on console
@@spelljordinReally?
If modders and modding sites are getting copyright strikes then I doubt it's going to remain that easy to get mods.
@@sirperybLakeney they can only strike the legacy costumes since it's their intelectual property. Anything outside of that should be fine.
"The world has enough for everyone's needs, but not everyone's greed,"
Premium terms are used to make you feel more prestigious when purchasing or to make a low value product seem of higher quality. You don't want to be without the premium product do you? Oh the shame you would feel.
6:47 i felt this way too about the tekken talk.
when they said it was going to happen, they said they were gonna talk about tekken shop and character adjustments / bug fixes, then when it came to the character adjustments they said virtually nothing then spent half the stream showing us merch to buy (which wasnt mentioned at all)
I didn't realize they were copyright striking modders on youtube, that's messed up. I personally didn't find the store idea too offensive personally but that really changes everything
they did the same thing when the full roster was leaked
is it just me or does anyone else has this problem that i sometimes randomly dissconnect from the servers its sooooo annoying
I still get random crashes, I dont think I can go one session without it crashing at least once, they need to fix it and stop worrying about the goddamn store
Right? Sometimes it's just server disconnects while online and sometimes it is game crashing!
Its happened to me once or twice
never had one. I am on pc
Happened to me last night it was weird
I love your take on Tekken and Bamco, and how you delineate between the two. No holds barred. The straight dope. The unfettered, unafraid, unapologetic criticism, and yet love for the game. thanks for your commentary
I was holding off on this game to see how things shake out. Thanks. WIll be avoiding it now.
When it comes to recording, assuming you have an nvidia gpu just turn on shadowplay's feature to record the last X minutes automatically. Then it's as simple as pressing one button combination to save the recording. Ezpz.
I was going to say this but you saved me some typing
but you spent the typing he saved you anyway...@@fatman9183
Yeah, I thought it was weird that there's like 3 customization options in the game right now (a shirt, a suit and a coat). Now it makes sense.
So bamco makes 140mil dolleridoos, don't learn from their mistakes and leeches off the playerbase while not helping them 😋WOOPSIE!
Great video, very refreshing. I stayed away form Tekken 8 because I figured there would be some bullshit going on.
I would've never thought to wind up being happy about not being able to buy the game at launch. The fact that they announced the store about a month after releasing the game is one of if not the worst thing they've ever done (at least for now)
Your loss, the game is awesome and in the game there are already a bunch of custom gear to buy
I agree. I intended to buy it at launch, but decided not to, because I'm kinda busy with other things atm and Tekken can wait. And turns out it wasn't a bad decision after all. There's still a 99% chance I will buy this game, but I'll wait a bit and see how things turn out. With plugging being rampant and balance being all over the place, there is no rush for me to buy this game. I will wait and see if they fix those things, and then buy the game. Maybe I get lucky and even catch a sale somewhere. But yeah, I'm kinda glad I didn't rush to buy it at launch.
The beauty of Tekken is the legacy. Sure there are some busted characters, and cheating online, and the store is coming. But practice mode exists, the story mode is pretty good, and the store is obviously optional.
the game is worth 70 bucks
It depends the reason why u bought it. I bought it because i love Tekken and thats it.
For the people comparing this to sf6. The fighter coin system (sf6 premium currency) was in the game at launch and discussed pre release. At least we were made aware they were doing it pre purchase, Bamco is pulling the stealth scumbaggery and sneaking it in a month later after the reviews are out.
Mate you are going to get story stuff for free and some stuff for free, I dont get people complain but it actually other people's business what they buy, also did you heard that they are going to add more features to tekken 8 from this money from the shop. Also speaking about your point what is the difference that tekken shop is here month later, also the shop is not expensive so grow up, its the same thing with your having amazon prime, but paying for movies
@@fryrob2019 are you drunk or something lol
Great video man... insightful. Yh micro transactions are beyond evil, they should be illegal, basically pedaling to children... its disgusting.
As long as there is no energy system/p2w/lootboxes, we are good. XD
But srsly, I've found your criticisms against Bamco too much at times, but this time it is on point. Revealing an in-game currency on a later notice is really devious.
They couldn’t even call the coins tekkoins
My least concern is them selling customs. I actually don't mind it because us console players didn't have the opportunity to do anything outside what was on the game. My biggest concern is the pluggers. Something has to be done to s combat pluggers. Maybe deduct their points and rank after a certain amount of reports or something.
I say we band together to call all premium currency "scam currency"
Huh… am I the only one that don’t care that they have a tekken shop and tekken coin? Like sure, they might planned this but it is optional. It’s not like you HAVE to buy them, and only targets those that wants it.
I mean, this is not the only game where you can buy a cosmetics / emotes and such, I’ve played my fair share of games where you just pay once and done and then there’s also games where there’s a shop where you can buy stuffs.
I don’t know why, but I’m just seeing this as Tekken and Banco just following the trend that SF6 did, but if you say it’s wrong because this is a fighting game, then does the other games that do this things also wrong? If it is wrong, then I just see that an unfair for other games that did this. But it’s from someone who doesn’t have a brain as you said, so what do I know :)
People are just bitching because it's trendy now. They are drama queens who act like those big bad evil companies are literally ruining their lives over optional costumes, completely forgetting the last month where everyone was gushing about how great the game was, but somehow that same game was taken away from them? It sucks that manufactured outrage is what gets the views, likes, clicks, etc.
I hate modern gaming, i didn't buy the game because the demo didn't run smoothly on my pc, i was hyped for a year waiting for the game, but this is really disgusting. The problem with the fgc is that the influencers will not come up and criticize the companies doing this because all they want is that special treatment they get from the corporations if they stay inline, influencers are the ones who should be talking about it and criticizing these practices especially the big channels.
That is why i never trust anything these influencers say, they are a bunch of boot lickers always goofing around instead of actually doing something useful for the genre, everything is sunshine and rainbows whenever they talk about a game, the criticism is kept to a minimun, that's why they get to fly to try every new game, they get to have early access to the game for months before everyone which is cheating but nobody cares, I'm 43 and i really hate what gaming has become.
The game has no DRM so if you have a PC you can pirate it
Makes me worried about what happens if SoulCalibur 7 were to evert come out.
Been playing around an hour of T8 a day so far, haven't been plugged on yet. I dislike in game stores and real life currency with a passion but I choose to ignore it personally.
Love watching your videos, glad you started making them again. Wish you the best.
Edit: i just got plugged for the first time.
I saw quite a few reviews that praised the game for having no microtransactions. It's pure scum adding it 3 weeks after launch.
To everyone crying in the comments, just don’t use online shop. That’s one problem solved for you.
Simple…
That doesn’t solve anything because people like you will still buy and make this a precedent going forward.
The customization in Tekken 8 is very low effort compared to its little brother Soulcalibur and it turns out that they don't put the effort in it but change it to a cash grab... I chose to play Tekken while coping on the next Soulcalibur game but the way bamco behaves really worries me about the future of their products and the future of fighting games.
me too fren my souls still burns for soulcalibur 7
I honestly was hoping for a Character unlocking Feature Like in old Tekken but unfortunatly all characters already there from The start of the Game, It Sure is more fun to have Something to do and have a Challenge for unlocking a Character or Mode but OK t8 still nice.
I learned one thing from this video:
Alisa's chainsaw has a part of it that's rotating the wrong way
Why is it like that
It bothers me so much
It's a visual illusion, try to see it going the right way and you will :)
Reading the comments it's sad seeing people get stuck on the current 4$ price tag, and not see the degrading state of the game and industry over time due to greedy monetization. My friend, you're paying more for something you already had before, for less or for free.
I agree that frame might be overreacting a bit, but maybe that's warranted considering how socially accepted it has become.
I think you hit the nail on the head quite well with what you said about the generational divide. I may only be in my mid 20s, but even I remember when the focus of a game was for the enjoyment of the player. There were little to no microtransactions, little to no DLC, little to no bugs on launch, and the developers actually interacted with and listened to their communities regarding feedback or criticism. Nowadays though, its quite literally the complete opposite. Almost every corporation have become these soulless entities where the ONLY goal is to squeeze as much money out of their consumers as they can. Its just extremely sad to see. All of that being said, I have really been enjoying Tekken 8. Its because I love this franchise so much that I am so sad to see this panel and the direction they plan to take with the game. They are just like the rest of these corpos and are going to heavily focus their time and resources into getting as much money as possible out of us, instead of improving the experience for their already existing player base (that already shelled out quite a bit of money to play the game). I just wish there was something we could do to combat this type of behavior, but there are simply too many people who are more than willing to continue this horrid spending model and play right into their greedy hands. So yea, I'm right there with you Frame, and its so refreshing to see that I'm not the only person who sees and thinks about these issues.
Also as always, I love your videos and I'm so glad you put out your honest thoughts and ideas because its at least something we can do as a community.
I do find it amusing how desensitized I am with micro transactions that when they revealed the prices for the costumes, I thought "not that bad" lol.
I just say vote with your wallet. There's no need to really be upset about these microtransactions since they're only cosmetic, especially if you're on pc where you can just use mods. Now if, they somehow start doing gacha elements or actually start doing something that's pay to win, that's where everyone should draw the line.
I don't really care if Bandai Namco as a company dissolves tomorrow for whatever reason, but I also don't care about spending my energy being mad about cosmetics that are ultimately up to me to decide to buy or not. Just my two cents
An astute observation and conclusion. Well said.
As a consumer I think its ok to be upset. To try and set standards of what our labor and money is worth. Since the cosmetics have already been created and $70 is steep as it is. It would have been awesome to just have the costumes in the base game. It's scummy business practice
I disagree, pay to look good is as big as a problem pay to win. The more things you lock behind a paywall, the more you take away from potential in game rewards. I remember when the first resident evil 4 came out they had these cool little action figures that are unlocked by playing more of the game, and it made me want to play more. Now imagine those locked away behind a paywall. Before, those action figures stood for you achieving something ingame, with paywalls, now it just means you're a whale. So no, paywalls ARE a big problem.
@@mourning_sun_ I understand what you're saying, but in that case, you're saying six months from now, when they start releasing skins that they didn't develop before hand, there's no reason to complain.
For me as a consumer, paying $70 felt reasonable for what we got in the base game, that's why I bought it. I already made that decision. Now I have to make another decision for if I want to buy these costumes. You knew exactly what you were getting. It's unreasonable to get upset about something you feel that you should've gotten.
Of course, it's very much your right to be upset about what you want, but I just don't see the reason for it when the only thing that Bamco will listen to is how much or how little money they make from this. So again, vote with your wallet
@@dunrossb I get where you're coming from, but for me, paying for cosmetics is way less egregious than if they started to do something like locking moves behind a paywall, as an extreme example
I'll buy future Tekken games and future dlc for T8 via keys then.
I don't want to support them anymore, if that's the way they're doing it now.
I’m playing as Jin vs another Jin I’m about to win he plugs I run into him with a 0% disconnection rate and he plugs in site of my name
Skeevy middle-man currencies are one of my least favourite parts about microtransactions. I mean I don't like microtransactions in general outside of F2P games where you have to have *some* revenue stream I guess. But even in most of those they're usually implemented in a scummy way.
My hope is that countries eventually start outlawing in-game middle-man currencies and just requiring straight-up posted prices for direct in-game purchases. It's 100% predatory as hell.
remember: always ki charge on anyone caught wearing store outfits.
That's if they aren't better than you lol
I rarely comment on yt videos but I AGREE WITH EVERY SINGLE WORD !!!
Keep up the good work Frame
every fighting game is gonna have a game pass and a ingame currency. Every additional character and stage is gonna be DLC for 19.99€ . Great Times paying 70€ for half of the content
Paid game doesnt mean you get everything after for free. Its new content tat comes over time
You already got the game you paid for bro, you think you entitled to free shit for life afterwards?
@@CrystalMang0 eddie gordo New content? U funny
@@runayswarts970 yes if I pay a full price I am entitled for a Full roster how bout that bro. Especially if New characters gonna be S Tier and I cant even use them in Training Mode like Tekken 7. At this point we talking about Pay2win.
@MaikiDiMaik 31 characters is a full roster my G, you GOT that already. DLC is not owed to you...
So, the fuck do i do with all that billions of normal currency money, Framer?
Thats why I'm starting to not buy games until after the 2-3 week period of initial reception. These companies are just biding their time to get positive public reception before they pull the rug out from under the the consumer and implement predatory monetization.
Fucking love @FrameWhisperer
To all the people that read this comment and play Tekken, I have a plea; please refrain from purchasing anything in their "Tekken shop". The game is good but micro transactions are not. These features should have been in the game without a paywall as stated in this video. We have to show Bandai Namco that this is not acceptable and the only way doing that is not supporting their monetization with purchases.
how else am I going to support the publishers so the game can continue to thrive and improve?
@@spelljordin I am sure you can donate money to them or just buy a more expensive edition if you want to give them even more money than they already earn by just selling the game itself.
The point I am making is NOT that you shouldn't support the game or publishers for making a good game but rather that you shouldn't support filthy marketing tactics to charge you outrageous amounts of money for content that should be included in the base game.
I'm with you on this 100%. But the fact of the matter is that VAST MAJORITY OF CONSOOMERS do not care. They are completely mindless when it comes to this. They will just see their favourite characters get a semi-decent costume and they will throw their wallets at this. They don't care that this right there was a content cut from the base game which was already finished before launch. If we try to post your comment on twitter or reddit to get more traction it is going to get downvoted by the same idiots saying stuff like "then don't buy it lol?". People still pre-order games, buy "microtransactions", season-passes and battle passes in games that are not free-to-play and they just don't care how much they are being ripped-off. So in current climate of "gaming" it would authentically be an anomaly if we were to have a large wave of players actually not supporting this scummy tekken shop launch
@@spelljordin why not just see they already made more then expected should be more then enough ? or ?
@@TheNevendero Best example for this is GTA 5 i guess, there was cut content because people invested so much money into Online that they didnt bother anymore, it just hurts. The Alienfigurines on the Rock where there for a reason teasing the DLC but it never came.