That was painful to watch. I felt bad for Luka getting shot to smithereens. No fire support for the Necrons, and no real line of sight blocking terrain = a bad day for the anger skeletons. Get em next time, 'Crons.
9th edition Space Marines are getting worryingly close to the bad old days of “Space Marines are our best selling models so let’s make them even better”.
Richard Broughton yes as someone who is new to the game (have learned a lot though, I’ve been a “lurker” on 40k TH-cam channels for about a year now) and is starting an Eldar army I’m not particularly happy about some of the 9th edition changes (ie the fly keyword). I’m also not happy about how Space Marines already have a vastly larger unit roster than anyone else but of course they are starting 9th edition by getting new units, including one that seems a lot like our Dragons but better. And yeah it is a big issue when Space Marines are out of balance because they are the most popular faction anyway so not only does that make you run into them even more but when you do you are playing against an over powered faction.
@@eacey That's not true. An actually competitive list that packs 3 Doomsday Arks and Destroyers, Tomb Blades and Troops in reserve will be able to put up a good fight. It should be able to remove a Repulsor each turn and wipe the marine infantries quite easily. A footslogging assaulty list with no real long ranged AT firepower going up against a mechanized meatgrinder is a foregone conclusion.
@@attilathenun this is a friendly game not competitive. Shouldn't have to worry about a competitive list as much. Even still, space marines just mop the floor with everyone else in either sense. Kinda takes the fun out of watching/playing against them.
Gir Spirit Bane Lord That I agree. Marines are made to be a beginner-friendly army that is extremely fault tolerant and even sub-par lists can function well. This means you cannot take sub-par lists against even a "fun" SM army. Marine is probably the worst army to learn how to play competitively because you can afford to make mistakes and the fault tolerance of the army is going to be able to pickup the slack. Almost any Xenos players with a competitive mindset can pick up marine for the first time and do well, but a marine player who pick up a Xenos army for the first time is likely to get stomped.
It wouldn’t matter neck run still are pretty weak Ron’s have such short range and not much movement they have to be out in the open. Just get used to seeing the old list from 8th trying to work.
I thought the same thing. It was basically a shooting gallery. With some nice chunky LoS terrain you might be able to hide some stuff and really limit how much firepower each unit would have to survive. I think we would have seen just how nice reanimation protocols could have been.
keep in mind, canonically SM are suppose to be out shot by Necrons. I just think the power creep doesnt favor xenos while they slowly squat the old space marines and try to get people to buy new hotness primaris. You bet your butt that as soon as the last OG marine goes out Primaris goes back to 1w and 1 less AP/6" less range on everything in their codex.
@@es83stevenson88 You see the terrain? Ofc army that outguns you in that open field is going to win. There was no tactic in this game just shooting gallery. Never play on airfields it's not fun for anyone.
I had the same thing happen with my orks vs white scars. I brought a fun goff list with mork, battlwagon etc And the "white scars" player used 2 repulsors 1 contempor dread , and those new meta guys from indominus and shot 1k of orks off the board turn 1 . It was silly . Terrain makes a huge difference in this edition
Welcome to the hobby. We print rule books to make it look like we know what we're doing, but everyone just makes it up as they go along. It's a really good excuse for grown adults to play with toys and not feel absurd.
@@snejjames6499 wish I had someone within my age group to game with lol. I looked online in my area but it's all kids. I'm more into the lore anyway so its ok I guess.
I saw the video length and I knew what was going to happen, then I saw the open field for the SM guns and I was even more certain. Unfortunate, you guys clearly put a lot of effort into these, but when a game is this unbalanced it's not much fun to watch.
@@justinmcculloch7296 Any shooting-heavy army is OP against a footslogging melee list with almost no cover. Dave could have played any shooting list in the entire game and been almost guaranteed to win.
Same saw video length and knew it would be space marines then when i saw the space marine army it's like Dave is just in it to win and not to have fun.
@@Handles-Suck-TH-cam Dude, they are fucking OP only a moron couldn't see that. You some SM fanboy? 40k is reduced to a kids game and no competitive elements to speak of. Havent seen anything so unbalanced in my life.
@@Midgar88 well even without SM being SM, he his right, ANY shooting army that got first turn with this table would just have annihilated the necron T1
From my experience the reanimator can work if you stick it behind obscuring terrain because it has 9" ability and doesn't need line of sight. Granted there wasn't much los blocking terrain on this board which just doesn't seem fair.
@@ThePerfectSeth at least the keyword doesn't stop him from getting obscured or benefitting from dense terrain plus he gets to shoot in melee. Overall net positive really. Just can't climb buildings or get light/heavy cover.
what were you thinking? casual 2* indomitus box necrons army vs competitive 2 repulsors and 6 aggressors army on an empty board? why even play this ? btw master crafted power sword is treated as a relic, you cant bump its damage via warlord trait.
I think it might be harder to film but playing on a table with more LOS blocking terrain and cover would be so much better in a game that is possible to be over when the lists are being written if it's played on a open field.
@@williamharvey7076 It honestly depends on the build, back when I played I wrecked with them. Tesseract vault was bonkers I rememeber 1 shotting a tau riptide utilizing one even took out a tau longstrike with a single unit of praetors.
When I saw the length of the video was only just over an hour I knew that it would be a disaster for Necrons. Can we see more Necrons and less Space Marines in bat reps? Craftworlds, Knights, Death Guard and Thousand Sons would be cool. Maybe some Grey Knights also. Cheers!
I’m sure Luka knew he would basically be tabled by turn 2. This is why I stopped playing necrons early in 8th. I would set up and then be tabled. Cracks me up everyone is saying there broken. Lol.
As a necron player we are in a bad place right now. Even with the new models illuminor and the indomitus models. Hopefully our new codex brings many improvements. We know we’re getting new monolith, destroyer and spider rules.
@@gorehound3414 Disagree that we are in a bad place. We won't know for certain until the codex drops. I think hordes arent going to be successful this edition like you say.. I think there might be a place for warriors in ghost arks for objectives though. Triarch stalkers are good now which is why Im probably taking 2. I had most success last edition with double outrider detachments.. I wonder if this edition will be the same.. our fast attack is our best area
This board was really light on terrain and it was obvious in the first turn when the BA player immediately drew great firing lanes and blasted the Necrons to pieces.
This just made me feel bad... it seemed like the players had not talked through what they were going to do. One guy brings a new casual army while the other brings a tryhard army seemingly adapted to both the table and the opposing army.
As a surprise to literally nobody, bangles wipe the floor with Necrons on a wide open board. It's cool to see new units get shot off the board turn 1 showcasing absolutely nothing about how the newcrons actually play, only how they die. This was over turn 1.
Pretty sure with terrain that sparse the Necrons would have lost if they had 4K points. Isn’t making it so no unit can shoot every point on the battlefield the main change to this edition
You cant list a full infantry list vs a double shoting anti infantry list. This game is so stupid, no cover, double repulsar vs the gauss really? Doesnt look balanced to me
That's because Space Marines in general aren't balanced. GW went way to overboard in terms of statlines and new rules for SM in my opinion. They're so far ahead of basically every other army it's laughable. And Necrons have been pretty mediocre since the beginning of 8th.
I love the respect for each other displayed in this video. Kindness and giving slack to take back a move may seem overly casual, but it speaks volumes to who you both are as gamers. This is an example to be copied and put into all of our games. Well done.
Don't think you can. Start with 12 CP for that size game. If 2 Patrol Dets one is free because of warlord but the other you pay 2CP. 10 left. Then the 3 units in strat reserve (2x Aggressors, 1 outrider) would cost 2 CP total to SR so he should have 8 CP max turn 1 with a +1cp for 9cp if battle forged.
Hey, Love the bat reps. I'm always looking forward to seeing more 40k!. I'm sure I'm the millionth person to ask this, but because of the COVID pandemic it is literally impossible for any Mini War Gaming fans to come into the studio and play and record a battle report. In hopes to get around this, I'd love to see viewer submitted lists played by a Mini War Gamer. I'm sure Mini War Gaming has their own priorities of armies to showcase, but if it's possible, I think it would be a great way of getting more viewers involved while at home. With most LGS not allowing people to come in and play like they normally would, this could be a great way for allowing those of us cooped up inside to see our new brewed lists in action. There may also be viewers who, due to the pandemic, have come upon more financial hardships, and may not be able to afford newer models for their collection. It may also give more looks into what others are toying around with, now that 9th edition is launched. I've been toying with a 1750 Rule of Cool Grey Knights list that I'd love to see played on the table If anything, I hope everyone at the Mini War Gaming family, and their families and friends as well are doing well and staying safe! Love the reports, can't wait for the next 40k report!!
So how can he build this load out for the repulsor? Been working on putting this blood angel list to paper. From everything I am looking at he picked multiple weapon options from a single weapon choice loadout? And from my math this is over 1750pts total..
Nice batrep guys. Just a rules note though, units with the Fly keyword ignore other models when charging, but treat other terrain like any other model. Core rules P.20 - Flying when charging. Sorry if it’s already been mentioned
(Thanks for sharing the BR) Space Marines seems OP still, since they've been top 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 in 20 man tournies, where there were only 8 marine armies playing..... BEFORE +1 wound marines. I was going to dump 300 bucks into GW to restart an army, but I'm convinced to just sell what I have on Ebay instead. (back when 10 marines were 18 dollars, and I have over 10k points in chaos alone). Just going to keep at the throat of disliking the 50% queen tax from 2004 that 'supposedly caused' the price hike from 1.2 dollars a model to averaging 3.3dpm. Thanks for the battle reports to help us decide things like this.
Heey Luka, two corrections on the Necron rules for you; -The Plasmancer has Fly keyword. Not that interesting with his 5" move, but it wouldve helped with those pipes. -If a Plasmancers advances or falls back, you cannot use his Harbinger of Destruction ability.
Mostly love the content but as has been stated this map was so open that it very clearly favored one army over the other. I am not sure if that was intentional but it was very clearly a super oversight if not.
It’s getting old watching Necrons in all the different battle reports get blown off the table, not just on MWG. I know they beat GSC but that was a throw away.
You really should name all the shots from a unit before firing any, not shoot with one guy, see if the target dies and then pick the next guy to shoot with.
@@es83stevenson88 It's more of a hobby than anything. Building a community and playing bad models because you love the lore, or they just look cool. Not a hobby for those without disposable income.
@@raze667 don't get me wrong i have played necrons for years i just hate the idea that we will be getting the biggest refresh in years yet space marines will still get 3 times the love and more goodies down the line.
Well, you either play Horus Heresy 2: Electric Boogaloo or you play literally anything else and have fun among xenos and Imperium. It would also help to have a decent list and a player that utilizes cover against an army that can outshoot him
Looking good Luka! I have also been using this Nurgle plague time to work on dieting also. I've been doing keto. You've helped motivate me even more to keep at it. Go Necrons!
the 40k content is fun but when are yall going to go back to doing more AoS? building heroes, flight battles, tons of new stuff in gh2020 cant wait to see. edit: I would love to see a campaign were you guys create your own heroes and do a narrative campaign for them.
Once fortifications become a thing for armies to take it should help a lot with blocking LoS. If the table won't provide any cover you'll just have to spend some points to bring it yourself.
I actually enjoy to see Blood Angels win outside the BA melee meta. It's not because it's a melee focused faction that you MUST go melee every single time, that 1 makes BA list really predictable and 2 just lives out so many great kit to collect and the false idea that you have to collect another chapter to use shooty units and that it's just silly, and most important expensive
Luka, you should have hide the reanimator more. This was even possible on this map. Thinking, that he will be shot from the beginning is clear, if you reveal it that open to shoot at it. You couldn‘t do much against the bad rolls and the agressors are just to hard. But I think you split your army too much in the end and you didn‘t use enough of the cover which was there. However, you knew the rules well. Maybe you used the plasmancer to defensively. It is an offense cryptek compared to the other crypteks from 8. edition. The use of the monster buckets was great! It‘s such a cool unit...
I've been playing with the new reanimator and 60 warriors a bit... If you don't have LoS blocking terrain you are more or less wasting your time with reanimators.... It is just dead points, if you have LoS blocking terrain particularly stuff in the middle you can play heavy on one side with a C'Tan Deceiver redeploy. You then can get your chip damage whilst hiding your monsters move 1-2 squads out and hold the table. I think taking the cryptek with the 5+ invun is just too handy when you have blast and keeping some of your warriors even if its a string of three is just handy.... Then you can get enough board control to score secondaries and dig in to try outscore, outlast, outkill... The list and style of that infantry spam silver tide can hold its own even against space marines. Blast is ridiculous in this edition and the only way to really get around aggressors, particularly ultramarines, is to really intend to pull from the tip of their range and hope that they kill enough to actually be out of range of second shooting or lose LoS. By doing that you get your reanimation value but it is tough.... The old-school necron list is pretty good... but if you play on a table like this without LoS blocking terrain against that much blast you may as well forget about it.... Necrons are just not tough enough to deal with it. Hopefully Dave is over his fear of necrons by then... If he isn't just let him try play the list on this kind of table giving Dave 18 aggressors and give him first turn. I am sure things will go his way... It will be a miracle if you are not tabled by turn 3 though.
No spoilers: A) why use BA if no BA units? Sang guard or death company. Defeats the points IMO! B) BA not in melee by end of turn 1. You doing it wrong 😂 I kid, fun to watch!
@@andrehennig5702 Outside of the doomsday arc, Necron don't really have much in the way of anti-tank heavy fire support. Focused fire from the immortals could have done something, but necron shouldn't have to bring 2 doomsday arcs in every list.
A table with no LoS blocking terrain is pretty much an auto loss of you go second if both armies can shoot. Especially with armies like this. As a Space Marine player I don't go HAM with Repulsors and Aggressors against a fun list. We all know Marines are crazy so as Marine players we need to tone down lists for non-competitive games. It's just more fun if both armies have a chance.
1) Luka you may not want to run 'good stuff' list but you HAVE to bring some AT. Seriously, what was the plan for any armor with this list? 2) If you want to bring the Indominitus stuff, run Novohk. Right now as Novohk is, Skorpehk destroyers are wonderful. Play it while you can. 3) Warriors are good with the gauss reapers in a Ghost ark. drop in range and mulch whatever you are looking at. Other than that, play immortals all day.
TreeckotheRebel haven’t seen them winning even longer, lastone I remember was mephiston rolling only ones on his save and master of death, getting butchered by some cultits
When are you guys planning on doing a crusade campaign 9th Edition I haven’t seen anyone on TH-cam doing a crusade game. I take it there’s a reason for that?
Gotta love when one army far more expensive on a points per model basis with less effective models. Really makes for the balanced game feel...oh wait....
Man the Primaris powercreep is real. Feel like SM players are gonna have a hard time finding opponents since I cant think of anyone who would want to play against that.
Not for Dave (page 199 of the rule book) in your turn 2 when you were targeting the destroyers you said you could see all 3 but line of sight is now base to base. It didn't change as you killed them all with the first volley of eliminators but if they had lived you wouldn't have been able to target them 👍
@@anniedoughty3320 okay so I looked it up and it's a little tricky. As written yup line of sight mostly is true LoS but that terrain piece looks obscuring and so is infinitely tall at all points. So if he could see the weapons without going over any bit of the terrain they are visible but if it goes over any of the terrain he can't see them. So without being there it's impossible to say one way or the other, Interesting fringe case though 👍
@@beefymrjam they should probably define the terrain before they start playing and make it clear what everything does. There's so much more to terrain now that you kind of have to explain it. Who knows how they played that piece?
Uh...I like both guys, but when you decide to try new units in friendly game, make sure both are taking frindly list. Footsloggin army without AT could work...in case of LOS blocking terrain and opponent taking more fun list. Two repulsors??? Big unit of Aggressors...that wasnt fun.Repulsors just murdered necrons before they could do...anything.
I agree with 9th Ed that there has to be a lot of terrain but not everyone owns all the terrain this edition calls for. This just shows off the importance of LOS blocking terrain now.
I think taking only 480 points of troops (and only deploying 240) in a 2,000 point game is rough, especially when its a hold objectives game. For a 2,000 point game, I would take 60 or 80 Necron Warriors (probably 80), or even possibly 100 (which would cost 1200 points, leaving 800 points for fancy things). It probably sounds strange, but Necrons run pretty well as a hoard army. If the Blood Angels spent a 1,000 points on primarius marines then he would be outnumbered 2:1. It just seems like, as a general rule, spending less than 40 percent of your points on troop choices is a bad idea.
Space Marines are pretty bonkers... and with all the new tools that they are getting i don't think we will see a decline of them in the coming 12-15 months
I thought the new obscuring terrain rules meant that as long as the terrain is 5 inches and you cannot see the models bases then even if their blades are sticking out they count as not visible? Yet he says he can target the destroyers through the giant rock spire because he can see their blades?
Obscuring does not mention having to see the base. You only have to be able to see part of the model without that line of sight passing over or through the terrain.
As close as I can build Dave's list it shows him playing a 1750pt game with 1780pts... He's using 2 weapon options in one weapon slot on both repulsors... And switching options around on the repulsors I can't get an even 1750pt list. Best I can do without dropping a miniature is 1752pts total for the list. Something just doesn't add up. And although they say leave a comment on the video I never see them reply to any comments...
Dustin Buchanan Strange, I got exactly 1750 points in Battlescribe. The only thing I did on the Repulsors was to replace the 2 storm bolters and the icarus iron hail heavy stubber with 3 fragstorm grenade launchers in total, which made them exactly 320 each, this seems to match the first shooting round.
@@davidgantenbein9362 you shoot the icarus stubber in the first round of shooting. Saying you need the plus one cause the warriors don't fly but end up getting all shots hitting anyway. I think the issue is that you are using the smaller galling cannon when the points aren't there for it + the heavy stubber by my battlescribe and my dice counting during the batrep. 2x krakstorm Twin HB Heavy gatling cannon Small gatling cannon 2x fragstorm Fragstorm Auto launchers 335 total each.
Dustin Buchanan I think he just confuses the icarus heavy stubber with the normal heavy stubber; they both have the same profile except the +1 against flying. But only the icarus one can be replaced with a fragstorm grenade launcher. So he just „cheated“ on giving himself a +1 against fliers by doing so. Otherwise I think he pretty much used the load out I had in Battlescribe, when I just added the max amount of fragstorm.
Dustin Buchanan I watched the first volley a second time and it‘s this: 18 dices from the twin heavy bolters and the heavy onslaught gatling cannon into the walker; 3 x d6 from 3 fragstorm grenade launchers into the warriors; 2 shots from the krakstorm grenade launcher into the warriors and 3 shots from the ironhail heavy stubber into the warriors (and here he makes his error by thinking it’s an icarus version instead of the normal version). He didn’t use an onslaught gatling gun here, but I only checked here and he may do more errors further down the battle report. But I still think he has just bought the Repulsor with only the 3 fragstorm grenade launchers as upgrade from stock for 320 points.
@@davidgantenbein9362 the very first volley has 24 dice rolled...not 18. Heavy gatling cannon + gatling cannon + 2 heavy bolters (24). 18 shots from fragstorm. 2 shots from krak storm. And 3 shots from a stubber. @18:22, 24 dice first volley.
No Baal predators, no assault marines, no librarian dreadnought and no sanguinary Guard. This is just a generic army that was just happen to be painted red and black. There just red Ultramarines. Vary sad 😢
army unique units are rapidly loosing ground compared to generic primaris. Remember long term old scale will be relegated to legends. I hope after 1 more generic launch of marines we get army unique stuff.
That was painful to watch. I felt bad for Luka getting shot to smithereens. No fire support for the Necrons, and no real line of sight blocking terrain = a bad day for the anger skeletons. Get em next time, 'Crons.
pretty sure that's why GW empathize a lot about using big LOS blocking terrain
should have 2 doomsday ark
Don't feel sorry for Luca. He's got taco cats in his pocket for days 😁
@@davidarbour2683 exactly what i was thinking
Have you guys tried LoS Blocking terrain? Losing handfuls of necrons off the table turn after turn isn't a game. Its practicing at a speed bag.
You just look at the necrons think that's cool.... Then you see the blood angels.... the repulsor with 6 aggressors and think well RIP Luka.
Welcome to Tyranids vs. Tau
@@petersmith271 That wasnt even a blood angels list to me, more like a semi mixed Iron Hands list converted to BL
So, basically shot off the board on turn one by two models. GG.
9th edition Space Marines are getting worryingly close to the bad old days of “Space Marines are our best selling models so let’s make them even better”.
@@richardbroughton8473 Pretty much, yeah. GW makes them powerful so both tournament players and Little Timmy will go and buy them.
Richard Broughton yes as someone who is new to the game (have learned a lot though, I’ve been a “lurker” on 40k TH-cam channels for about a year now) and is starting an Eldar army I’m not particularly happy about some of the 9th edition changes (ie the fly keyword). I’m also not happy about how Space Marines already have a vastly larger unit roster than anyone else but of course they are starting 9th edition by getting new units, including one that seems a lot like our Dragons but better. And yeah it is a big issue when Space Marines are out of balance because they are the most popular faction anyway so not only does that make you run into them even more but when you do you are playing against an over powered faction.
I’m going to play sm cause I think they look cool and they are quite cheap (found a guy selling a 45 on eBay for a really good price)
@@cosmit4250 Sure thing little Tim.
“They ignore terrain and models when they move” - proceed to get stuck on every piece of terrain they’re near.
Lesson: You can't bring a bad list when going against Space Marines on a field that favors marines.
I don’t know a necron list that would have worked on that field
@@eacey That's not true. An actually competitive list that packs 3 Doomsday Arks and Destroyers, Tomb Blades and Troops in reserve will be able to put up a good fight. It should be able to remove a Repulsor each turn and wipe the marine infantries quite easily. A footslogging assaulty list with no real long ranged AT firepower going up against a mechanized meatgrinder is a foregone conclusion.
You just cant go against marines currently with a sub optimised list sadly, until new codexs or nerfs, theyre just so far beyond anything
@@attilathenun this is a friendly game not competitive. Shouldn't have to worry about a competitive list as much. Even still, space marines just mop the floor with everyone else in either sense. Kinda takes the fun out of watching/playing against them.
Gir Spirit Bane Lord That I agree. Marines are made to be a beginner-friendly army that is extremely fault tolerant and even sub-par lists can function well. This means you cannot take sub-par lists against even a "fun" SM army.
Marine is probably the worst army to learn how to play competitively because you can afford to make mistakes and the fault tolerance of the army is going to be able to pickup the slack. Almost any Xenos players with a competitive mindset can pick up marine for the first time and do well, but a marine player who pick up a Xenos army for the first time is likely to get stomped.
I'm reminded of that scene in The Last Samurai when the gatling guns are brought out.
Irl, there’s no way in hell at least one of those wouldn’t have jammed, but that’s a topic for another thread
I know this was free for me to watch, but... I still feel like it took something from my soul. Something I can never get back.
17:41 to 18:05 someone forgot the voice audio channel in the edit, somewhat awkward silent hand-waving
It did that to me too, but when I backed up the video, the audio was back.
I thought they were just being very dramatic.
There ought to have been a bit more obscuring terrain on this map - this was too open. The Blood Angels army looks beautiful though.
It wouldn’t matter neck run still are pretty weak Ron’s have such short range and not much movement they have to be out in the open. Just get used to seeing the old list from 8th trying to work.
Looks beautifully broken af, to the point of a comedy special.
Use more LOS blocking terrain, guys. Yeah, SM are good, but if you just line up in the open in front of their guns, of course they will steamroll you.
I thought the same thing. It was basically a shooting gallery. With some nice chunky LoS terrain you might be able to hide some stuff and really limit how much firepower each unit would have to survive. I think we would have seen just how nice reanimation protocols could have been.
keep in mind, canonically SM are suppose to be out shot by Necrons. I just think the power creep doesnt favor xenos while they slowly squat the old space marines and try to get people to buy new hotness primaris.
You bet your butt that as soon as the last OG marine goes out Primaris goes back to 1w and 1 less AP/6" less range on everything in their codex.
Agree poor terrain ... nice theme and all but you basically set the game up to get shot off the table
Well if he would have gotten first turn he could have moved up to the pipes for cover.
@@Luciusthestorms +1 save isn't going to save them against space marine but a few obscuring ruins to hide behind would have helped tremendously.
To sum up the batrep: Necrons are bad at moving over pipes...
Parkour wasn't a thing back then so they're not exactly good at it x'D
Just phase through it.
To sum up the batrep: Necrons are bad
@@es83stevenson88 You see the terrain? Ofc army that outguns you in that open field is going to win. There was no tactic in this game just shooting gallery.
Never play on airfields it's not fun for anyone.
@@MrLegendarySaiyan It's fun for Tau
You know Marines are dumb when the melee focused army outshoot a lot of the other non Marines armies.
Granted, this is kinda just a red ultramarines army, no baal predator, no death company, no sang guard or anything of the sort
I had the same thing happen with my orks vs white scars. I brought a fun goff list with mork, battlwagon etc
And the "white scars" player used 2 repulsors 1 contempor dread , and those new meta guys from indominus and shot 1k of orks off the board turn 1 . It was silly . Terrain makes a huge difference in this edition
I have no clue what is even happening I just like looking at the models.
Welcome to the hobby. We print rule books to make it look like we know what we're doing, but everyone just makes it up as they go along. It's a really good excuse for grown adults to play with toys and not feel absurd.
Same and ive been playing for years
Kinda sum GW in a nutshell.
@@snejjames6499 wish I had someone within my age group to game with lol. I looked online in my area but it's all kids. I'm more into the lore anyway so its ok I guess.
After seeing those Necron advance rolls, I'm convinced that playing the dynasty that always advances 6" was the right choice.
I saw the video length and I knew what was going to happen, then I saw the open field for the SM guns and I was even more certain. Unfortunate, you guys clearly put a lot of effort into these, but when a game is this unbalanced it's not much fun to watch.
Dude it’s because Primaris are completely OP.
@@justinmcculloch7296 Any shooting-heavy army is OP against a footslogging melee list with almost no cover. Dave could have played any shooting list in the entire game and been almost guaranteed to win.
Same saw video length and knew it would be space marines then when i saw the space marine army it's like Dave is just in it to win and not to have fun.
@@Handles-Suck-TH-cam Dude, they are fucking OP only a moron couldn't see that. You some SM fanboy? 40k is reduced to a kids game and no competitive elements to speak of. Havent seen anything so unbalanced in my life.
@@Midgar88 well even without SM being SM, he his right, ANY shooting army that got first turn with this table would just have annihilated the necron T1
From my experience the reanimator can work if you stick it behind obscuring terrain because it has 9" ability and doesn't need line of sight.
Granted there wasn't much los blocking terrain on this board which just doesn't seem fair.
Really don't get why a T5 W6 model got the Monster keyword. It's tall, but also lanky and obviously able to squat and hide.
@@ThePerfectSeth at least the keyword doesn't stop him from getting obscured or benefitting from dense terrain plus he gets to shoot in melee. Overall net positive really. Just can't climb buildings or get light/heavy cover.
what were you thinking? casual 2* indomitus box necrons army vs competitive 2 repulsors and 6 aggressors army on an empty board? why even play this ? btw master crafted power sword is treated as a relic, you cant bump its damage via warlord trait.
So a relic blade can't either ? Where is the rule ?
I think it might be harder to film but playing on a table with more LOS blocking terrain and cover would be so much better in a game that is possible to be over when the lists are being written if it's played on a open field.
I have just picked the indomitus box, and will finally try out actually playing 40k, so really enjoying these videos
Im waiting till im done with my tau and they start selling the new necron units seperately.
Necrons = horrible. Maybe once they get their codex they have a chance and the marines get nerfed a bit.
@@williamharvey7076 It honestly depends on the build, back when I played I wrecked with them. Tesseract vault was bonkers I rememeber 1 shotting a tau riptide utilizing one even took out a tau longstrike with a single unit of praetors.
@@williamharvey7076 it's not that Necrons are terrible, it's that Spees Mahrines are pretty op right now
When I saw the length of the video was only just over an hour I knew that it would be a disaster for Necrons. Can we see more Necrons and less Space Marines in bat reps? Craftworlds, Knights, Death Guard and Thousand Sons would be cool. Maybe some Grey Knights also. Cheers!
I’m sure Luka knew he would basically be tabled by turn 2. This is why I stopped playing necrons early in 8th. I would set up and then be tabled. Cracks me up everyone is saying there broken. Lol.
Not to be rude, but this battle was over as soon as lists were written. That many shots Vs. Infantry blobs is an instant GG.
you are sssoooo right...
As a necron player we are in a bad place right now. Even with the new models illuminor and the indomitus models. Hopefully our new codex brings many improvements. We know we’re getting new monolith, destroyer and spider rules.
But “horde” necron armies aren’t very good, necrons are best as an elite army.
@@gorehound3414 Disagree that we are in a bad place. We won't know for certain until the codex drops. I think hordes arent going to be successful this edition like you say.. I think there might be a place for warriors in ghost arks for objectives though. Triarch stalkers are good now which is why Im probably taking 2. I had most success last edition with double outrider detachments.. I wonder if this edition will be the same.. our fast attack is our best area
Wow can you give me this weeks lotto numbers, you are a fortune teller right?,
This board was really light on terrain and it was obvious in the first turn when the BA player immediately drew great firing lanes and blasted the Necrons to pieces.
This just made me feel bad... it seemed like the players had not talked through what they were going to do. One guy brings a new casual army while the other brings a tryhard army seemingly adapted to both the table and the opposing army.
As a surprise to literally nobody, bangles wipe the floor with Necrons on a wide open board. It's cool to see new units get shot off the board turn 1 showcasing absolutely nothing about how the newcrons actually play, only how they die.
This was over turn 1.
Pretty sure with terrain that sparse the Necrons would have lost if they had 4K points. Isn’t making it so no unit can shoot every point on the battlefield the main change to this edition
Cool batrep but the open terrain made this an easy win for space marines.
You cant list a full infantry list vs a double shoting anti infantry list. This game is so stupid, no cover, double repulsar vs the gauss really? Doesnt look balanced to me
That's because Space Marines in general aren't balanced. GW went way to overboard in terms of statlines and new rules for SM in my opinion. They're so far ahead of basically every other army it's laughable. And Necrons have been pretty mediocre since the beginning of 8th.
@@slaytallicadeththrax4547 agree 100%
They did really need a lot more obscuring terrain to make this a game.
Blight02 even then it wasn’t a game.
@@slaytallicadeththrax4547 Fuck oath unbalanced, like is this some kinda sad joke? 40K is not a competitive game, its a kids game.
GW: "Melee is strong!"
Marines: "No no no. OUR melee is strong. But so is our shooting. lol"
Necrons: *cry quietly*
Why do you think the tank commander pops his head out of thank to swing his sword, Get them in range of my sword.
I love the respect for each other displayed in this video. Kindness and giving slack to take back a move may seem overly casual, but it speaks volumes to who you both are as gamers. This is an example to be copied and put into all of our games. Well done.
A game that does not even go past turn 2 feels like a waste of time
feels like top notch BS on MWG side.
How can you start with 10CP with 1750pts, 3 sqwads in reserve and this many detachements?
Don't think you can. Start with 12 CP for that size game. If 2 Patrol Dets one is free because of warlord but the other you pay 2CP. 10 left. Then the 3 units in strat reserve (2x Aggressors, 1 outrider) would cost 2 CP total to SR so he should have 8 CP max turn 1 with a +1cp for 9cp if battle forged.
Hey, Love the bat reps. I'm always looking forward to seeing more 40k!.
I'm sure I'm the millionth person to ask this, but because of the COVID pandemic it is literally impossible for any Mini War Gaming fans to come into the studio and play and record a battle report. In hopes to get around this, I'd love to see viewer submitted lists played by a Mini War Gamer. I'm sure Mini War Gaming has their own priorities of armies to showcase, but if it's possible, I think it would be a great way of getting more viewers involved while at home. With most LGS not allowing people to come in and play like they normally would, this could be a great way for allowing those of us cooped up inside to see our new brewed lists in action. There may also be viewers who, due to the pandemic, have come upon more financial hardships, and may not be able to afford newer models for their collection. It may also give more looks into what others are toying around with, now that 9th edition is launched. I've been toying with a 1750 Rule of Cool Grey Knights list that I'd love to see played on the table
If anything, I hope everyone at the Mini War Gaming family, and their families and friends as well are doing well and staying safe! Love the reports, can't wait for the next 40k report!!
So how can he build this load out for the repulsor?
Been working on putting this blood angel list to paper. From everything I am looking at he picked multiple weapon options from a single weapon choice loadout?
And from my math this is over 1750pts total..
I've watched I think three MWG battle reports recently. Really enjoy the way y'all go about it.
I’m brand new to the Warhammer scene, the content you guys put out is so great and so helpful! Thanks you!
Helpful? Yeah stay clear of severely overpowered SM.
35:50 “I’m gonna reroll 1!”
*rolls a 1*
*giggling Tzeentch noises in the distance*
Praise be un to Nuffle
sad to see allies fighting :(
Dang, those are some amazingly well painted Blood Angels, so cool
The terrain looks cool, but the table is awfully empty. So much disadvantage against a gun line.
Welcome to a game of Tau vs. Tyranids... oh uh I mean blood angels vs. Necrons that yeah that...
Nice batrep guys. Just a rules note though, units with the Fly keyword ignore other models when charging, but treat other terrain like any other model. Core rules P.20 - Flying when charging. Sorry if it’s already been mentioned
There’s nothing in that blood 🩸 Angels army that says blood 🩸 Angels. You can change the color and nothing would change.
I thought he just sprayed over any old chapter, and quickly made blood angels for indomitus models.
Yessss my two favourite armies! Havnt watched it yet. Huge Blood angel collector myself.
those hulls on the tanks look absolutely GORGEOUS!
(Thanks for sharing the BR) Space Marines seems OP still, since they've been top 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 in 20 man tournies, where there were only 8 marine armies playing..... BEFORE +1 wound marines. I was going to dump 300 bucks into GW to restart an army, but I'm convinced to just sell what I have on Ebay instead. (back when 10 marines were 18 dollars, and I have over 10k points in chaos alone). Just going to keep at the throat of disliking the 50% queen tax from 2004 that 'supposedly caused' the price hike from 1.2 dollars a model to averaging 3.3dpm. Thanks for the battle reports to help us decide things like this.
Heey Luka, two corrections on the Necron rules for you;
-The Plasmancer has Fly keyword. Not that interesting with his 5" move, but it wouldve helped with those pipes.
-If a Plasmancers advances or falls back, you cannot use his Harbinger of Destruction ability.
Mostly love the content but as has been stated this map was so open that it very clearly favored one army over the other. I am not sure if that was intentional but it was very clearly a super oversight if not.
the models look fantastic. especially the blades on the necrons. and the blood angels.. oh boy do they look gorgeous...
It’s getting old watching Necrons in all the different battle reports get blown off the table, not just on MWG. I know they beat GSC but that was a throw away.
You really should name all the shots from a unit before firing any, not shoot with one guy, see if the target dies and then pick the next guy to shoot with.
Hey, necrons losing again. New edition, same results. (I haven't watched it yet, I'm just calling it like I see it)
when i see games like this i think why spend money on this????
@@es83stevenson88 Slightly mismatched lists by the look of it and the terrain really favors the Marines.
@@es83stevenson88 It's more of a hobby than anything. Building a community and playing bad models because you love the lore, or they just look cool. Not a hobby for those without disposable income.
@@raze667 don't get me wrong i have played necrons for years i just hate the idea that we will be getting the biggest refresh in years yet space marines will still get 3 times the love and more goodies down the line.
I've seen them do well in other reports vs marines. But here aggressors x2 and Repulsors vs an infantry list. Not to mention no obscuring terrain..
these one-sided battle reports aren't fun to watch... aggressors and repulsors just seem to break the game.
Repulsors are surprisingly hard to kill when you don't bring a single anti-tank weapon I guess.
Well, you either play Horus Heresy 2: Electric Boogaloo or you play literally anything else and have fun among xenos and Imperium. It would also help to have a decent list and a player that utilizes cover against an army that can outshoot him
Really high production value in this one. I love the style of these batreps. Very entertaining to watch!
Looking good Luka! I have also been using this Nurgle plague time to work on dieting also. I've been doing keto. You've helped motivate me even more to keep at it. Go Necrons!
So much time and effort, and the game ended effectively before the Necrons took their second turn... Dang.
the 40k content is fun but when are yall going to go back to doing more AoS? building heroes, flight battles, tons of new stuff in gh2020 cant wait to see.
edit: I would love to see a campaign were you guys create your own heroes and do a narrative campaign for them.
Once fortifications become a thing for armies to take it should help a lot with blocking LoS. If the table won't provide any cover you'll just have to spend some points to bring it yourself.
I actually enjoy to see Blood Angels win outside the BA melee meta. It's not because it's a melee focused faction that you MUST go melee every single time, that 1 makes BA list really predictable and 2 just lives out so many great kit to collect and the false idea that you have to collect another chapter to use shooty units and that it's just silly, and most important expensive
Luka, you should have hide the reanimator more. This was even possible on this map. Thinking, that he will be shot from the beginning is clear, if you reveal it that open to shoot at it. You couldn‘t do much against the bad rolls and the agressors are just to hard. But I think you split your army too much in the end and you didn‘t use enough of the cover which was there. However, you knew the rules well. Maybe you used the plasmancer to defensively. It is an offense cryptek compared to the other crypteks from 8. edition. The use of the monster buckets was great! It‘s such a cool unit...
I've been playing with the new reanimator and 60 warriors a bit... If you don't have LoS blocking terrain you are more or less wasting your time with reanimators.... It is just dead points, if you have LoS blocking terrain particularly stuff in the middle you can play heavy on one side with a C'Tan Deceiver redeploy. You then can get your chip damage whilst hiding your monsters move 1-2 squads out and hold the table. I think taking the cryptek with the 5+ invun is just too handy when you have blast and keeping some of your warriors even if its a string of three is just handy.... Then you can get enough board control to score secondaries and dig in to try outscore, outlast, outkill... The list and style of that infantry spam silver tide can hold its own even against space marines. Blast is ridiculous in this edition and the only way to really get around aggressors, particularly ultramarines, is to really intend to pull from the tip of their range and hope that they kill enough to actually be out of range of second shooting or lose LoS. By doing that you get your reanimation value but it is tough.... The old-school necron list is pretty good... but if you play on a table like this without LoS blocking terrain against that much blast you may as well forget about it.... Necrons are just not tough enough to deal with it.
Hopefully Dave is over his fear of necrons by then... If he isn't just let him try play the list on this kind of table giving Dave 18 aggressors and give him first turn. I am sure things will go his way... It will be a miracle if you are not tabled by turn 3 though.
No spoilers:
A) why use BA if no BA units? Sang guard or death company. Defeats the points IMO!
B) BA not in melee by end of turn 1. You doing it wrong 😂
I kid, fun to watch!
I haven't seen a single batrep where the Necrons won. Am I just looking in the wrong places or are the Necrons just hot trash again?
No that list of Luka was missing Heavy fire support at all. The two repulsors would have been enough to win. Necrons had nothing against them
@@andrehennig5702 Outside of the doomsday arc, Necron don't really have much in the way of anti-tank heavy fire support. Focused fire from the immortals could have done something, but necron shouldn't have to bring 2 doomsday arcs in every list.
@@AnEnormousNerd Totally agree! We're missing heavy fire support dearly, hopefully the new Doom Scythe with S12 can help out
Seems I'll necer play against Spess marines without mac destoryers and Doomsday arcs))
A table with no LoS blocking terrain is pretty much an auto loss of you go second if both armies can shoot. Especially with armies like this.
As a Space Marine player I don't go HAM with Repulsors and Aggressors against a fun list. We all know Marines are crazy so as Marine players we need to tone down lists for non-competitive games. It's just more fun if both armies have a chance.
1) Luka you may not want to run 'good stuff' list but you HAVE to bring some AT. Seriously, what was the plan for any armor with this list?
2) If you want to bring the Indominitus stuff, run Novohk. Right now as Novohk is, Skorpehk destroyers are wonderful. Play it while you can.
3) Warriors are good with the gauss reapers in a Ghost ark. drop in range and mulch whatever you are looking at. Other than that, play immortals all day.
Oooh the BAngels, haven't seen them in a while.
TreeckotheRebel haven’t seen them winning even longer, lastone I remember was mephiston rolling only ones on his save and master of death, getting butchered by some cultits
@@marcelosilveira2276 Well damn LOL
When are you guys planning on doing a crusade campaign 9th Edition I haven’t seen anyone on TH-cam doing a crusade game. I take it there’s a reason for that?
Derek147900 good answer, I am a hundred pages into the new 9th edition book so still on background
I had a question regarding the measurement of table for games. For example when it says 44x30, which is the length and which is the width? Thanks
Length is always the longer of the two measurements.
@@AnEnormousNerd Thanks!
Those repulsors man... When a unit can fire more guns then the model even has that means there's something wrong.
I thought you could never modify reanimation protocols more than -1 or +1. So you saying they come up on a 3+ sounds incorrect. Anybody know for sure?
Beautifully painted armies! Who did up the Blood Angels? I love how the tanks turned out
This game felt like the Marines were playing with more points than the Necrons >_
Gotta love when one army far more expensive on a points per model basis with less effective models. Really makes for the balanced game feel...oh wait....
This is the match up i wanted, i very much like
The Tabletop Tactic...er new game setup format is awesome.
Man the Primaris powercreep is real. Feel like SM players are gonna have a hard time finding opponents since I cant think of anyone who would want to play against that.
Not for Dave (page 199 of the rule book) in your turn 2 when you were targeting the destroyers you said you could see all 3 but line of sight is now base to base. It didn't change as you killed them all with the first volley of eliminators but if they had lived you wouldn't have been able to target them 👍
Distance is base to base but line of sight is to any part I thought 🤔?
@@anniedoughty3320 okay so I looked it up and it's a little tricky. As written yup line of sight mostly is true LoS but that terrain piece looks obscuring and so is infinitely tall at all points. So if he could see the weapons without going over any bit of the terrain they are visible but if it goes over any of the terrain he can't see them. So without being there it's impossible to say one way or the other, Interesting fringe case though 👍
@@beefymrjam they should probably define the terrain before they start playing and make it clear what everything does. There's so much more to terrain now that you kind of have to explain it. Who knows how they played that piece?
Uh...I like both guys, but when you decide to try new units in friendly game, make sure both are taking frindly list. Footsloggin army without AT could work...in case of LOS blocking terrain and opponent taking more fun list. Two repulsors??? Big unit of Aggressors...that wasnt fun.Repulsors just murdered necrons before they could do...anything.
Quality is going way down. Play on tabletop is the place to watch batreps. MWG has jumped the shark. Horrible. Horrible.
I agree with 9th Ed that there has to be a lot of terrain but not everyone owns all the terrain this edition calls for. This just shows off the importance of LOS blocking terrain now.
I think taking only 480 points of troops (and only deploying 240) in a 2,000 point game is rough, especially when its a hold objectives game. For a 2,000 point game, I would take 60 or 80 Necron Warriors (probably 80), or even possibly 100 (which would cost 1200 points, leaving 800 points for fancy things). It probably sounds strange, but Necrons run pretty well as a hoard army. If the Blood Angels spent a 1,000 points on primarius marines then he would be outnumbered 2:1. It just seems like, as a general rule, spending less than 40 percent of your points on troop choices is a bad idea.
Primaris are really strong.. as every start of a new edition. Hope other factions get also love and will get awesome new things! Nice batrep guys!
primaris launch in 8th were GARBAGE
At the start of 8th Edition, SpaceMarines were low to bottom tier.
@@killercookie6195 And now if you lose with them you need to take a cognitive test.
Space Marines are pretty bonkers... and with all the new tools that they are getting i don't think we will see a decline of them in the coming 12-15 months
As a non space marine player its actually really frustrating
Kerrai I think you mixed up months with years 🤔
That board does not look like it has enough terrain on it.
Where are those Blood Angels wound counters from please?
2 hours later; dave has moved 4 units
Where did you get the Blood Angel Wound counters???
Came for the video, stayed for the comments.
What part of Ontario are you guys filming in?
Love the paintjob on the necrons. What paints were used ( seems like true or xtreme metal from AK)
I gotta ask...
Will there be how to play 9th edition videos??
That would be great help 😊
So I have no clue what's going on, but it's fun to watch and the paint jobs are amazing.
Awesome looking Blood Angels.
I thought the new obscuring terrain rules meant that as long as the terrain is 5 inches and you cannot see the models bases then even if their blades are sticking out they count as not visible? Yet he says he can target the destroyers through the giant rock spire because he can see their blades?
Obscuring does not mention having to see the base. You only have to be able to see part of the model without that line of sight passing over or through the terrain.
@@miniwargaming then if he simply had the model facing the other way it would have been invisible? Even stupider tbh.
What book shows the points for Indomitus units? I can't find a book with points, only power levels.
New chapter approved back pages.
That's a very awesome battlefield!
As close as I can build Dave's list it shows him playing a 1750pt game with 1780pts...
He's using 2 weapon options in one weapon slot on both repulsors...
And switching options around on the repulsors I can't get an even 1750pt list. Best I can do without dropping a miniature is 1752pts total for the list. Something just doesn't add up. And although they say leave a comment on the video I never see them reply to any comments...
Dustin Buchanan Strange, I got exactly 1750 points in Battlescribe. The only thing I did on the Repulsors was to replace the 2 storm bolters and the icarus iron hail heavy stubber with 3 fragstorm grenade launchers in total, which made them exactly 320 each, this seems to match the first shooting round.
@@davidgantenbein9362 you shoot the icarus stubber in the first round of shooting. Saying you need the plus one cause the warriors don't fly but end up getting all shots hitting anyway.
I think the issue is that you are using the smaller galling cannon when the points aren't there for it + the heavy stubber by my battlescribe and my dice counting during the batrep.
2x krakstorm
Twin HB
Heavy gatling cannon
Small gatling cannon
2x fragstorm
Fragstorm
Auto launchers
335 total each.
Dustin Buchanan I think he just confuses the icarus heavy stubber with the normal heavy stubber; they both have the same profile except the +1 against flying. But only the icarus one can be replaced with a fragstorm grenade launcher. So he just „cheated“ on giving himself a +1 against fliers by doing so. Otherwise I think he pretty much used the load out I had in Battlescribe, when I just added the max amount of fragstorm.
Dustin Buchanan I watched the first volley a second time and it‘s this: 18 dices from the twin heavy bolters and the heavy onslaught gatling cannon into the walker; 3 x d6 from 3 fragstorm grenade launchers into the warriors; 2 shots from the krakstorm grenade launcher into the warriors and 3 shots from the ironhail heavy stubber into the warriors (and here he makes his error by thinking it’s an icarus version instead of the normal version). He didn’t use an onslaught gatling gun here, but I only checked here and he may do more errors further down the battle report. But I still think he has just bought the Repulsor with only the 3 fragstorm grenade launchers as upgrade from stock for 320 points.
@@davidgantenbein9362 the very first volley has 24 dice rolled...not 18. Heavy gatling cannon + gatling cannon + 2 heavy bolters (24). 18 shots from fragstorm. 2 shots from krak storm. And 3 shots from a stubber.
@18:22, 24 dice first volley.
No Baal predators, no assault marines, no librarian dreadnought and no sanguinary Guard. This is just a generic army that was just happen to be painted red and black. There just red Ultramarines. Vary sad 😢
army unique units are rapidly loosing ground compared to generic primaris.
Remember long term old scale will be relegated to legends.
I hope after 1 more generic launch of marines we get army unique stuff.
I think he just sprayed over ultramarines quickly to be blood angels for indomitus models.
This match was pretty boring to watch. Literally a shooting gallery map set up for the space marines.
My god that map is beautiful! My salamanders would be right at home!