Lily Orchard wrote Stockholm, a series which not only sexualises minors but includes real life rape apologetics, as covered in today's video. We also debunk Lily's three main excuses, leaving no doubt to the authenticity of the archived copies.
Back before I put things together and realized just how messed up the writing was when I was a fan of hers, i read some of Lily's work. She uses the word coo or cooed, constantly. It got to point that it was exhausting to read the word.
Idk about my little pony stuff but i saw the writing tips and most of them are either subjective opinions, straight up wrong and rest are like "if you write, write well".
She also at 1 point tried to blame the writing of these stories on Josh scorcher and try to say that he was falsely accusing her of writing the stories
@@spicegrill Unfortunately Josh is why the Lily we know exists today. She was very obscure and used to be called Bhaalspawn. She did video game reviews that ripped off Yahtzee's style before Josh discovered her, deconstructed one of her reviews, they collabed on a video together, then Lily would go on to be an editor for Josh for a while and making her own TH-cam channel. Crazy thing is how that all started about 10 years ago.
See, I’m all for literature exploring horrible crap, if it’s INTENDED to show how f*cked up it is. As in, psychological analysis, or generally meant to condemn the behavior. This is not that. Like, at all. Just. Wtf is wrong with her for writing this?
It’s ironic that she wrote something as weird as this when one of her criticisms of Steven Universe was that Rebecca Sugar drew Ed Edd and Eddy NSFW, since the characters are minors. Except she completely left out the fact that Sugar was a minor herself when she drew that, unlike Lily who is a grown adult.
She is. She's also currently writing a fic where her "hero" is a fascist who murders everyone who disagrees with her, though, so I suspect she doesn't know what hero and villain mean.
@@eldritchcupcakes3195 They are referring to "The Sith Resurgence" - A Star Wars fanfic where there are a lot of problematic issues with it (no surprise there)
Something that immediately ticked me off was Lily saying that Rainbow Dash's predatory behavior is because of her having a phallus in her stories, but at the same time she calls people TERFs, assuming they're attacking her because she's a trans woman. Like, way to give people like them ammunition.
That's one of the truly sickening things about Lily Orchard; she's exactly the sort of sexual predator that TERFs try to portray all transpeople as being.
It sucks. Lots of people already think that all trans people are just creeps, we don't need them taking this and using it against them because they don't know that you can be trans and a bad person at the same time and it doesn't mean all other trans people are like that
As a transwoman, I'm glad to see you, a transwoman, call out lily, a transwoman, for their terrible attributes. I think people forget sometimes that, like with all people, there is the good and the bad. And Lily is VERY BAD
There was a kind of pendulum swing from queer people bad --> sweet innocent babies. I'm glad that people have gotten with the program that trans people are just people
I offered someone a ride after a Pride event. We met up there, never having met in person before and not really knowing each other online well either. I'd driven there, she took the bus. I made the offer with the comment that she didn't have to trust me because we don't know each other and I wouldn't be offended if she declined. She said, “I trust you, you're trans." (she was also trans) I countered with something to the effect of "So? Being trans doesn't make a person trustworthy or even not a creep." I've met *plenty* of trans creeps and abusers. It's not only transfems either (as terfs might have you believe). Predatory behavior crosses all gender and racial lines. You can only trust or distrust people as individuals.
This this this. Every minority is just like the majority in one major way: we have wonderful and awful people too. Not every trans person has to be a paragon of moral upstanding. MOST trans people are lovely but theres always an underbelly to EVERY community.
As a childhood SA survivor, this type of shit just makes me both incredibly mad and so, so tired. Will society ever get actually serious about stopping CSA? I really don't think it will. And that's an awful thing to think about.
I feel you guys, the relieving and sad thing is that since this is such a prominent issue, then a kid in this position today would be able to see the red flags, but the sad thing is that it's awful it happens so often that it has a stimulus.
Sports, cars, business, food, fashion, film... pretty much everything and anything other than other forms of abuse. Don't be mistaken, society LOVES to PRETEND like it cares about CSA, but it doesn't, not in any meaningful way. In fact, society often mobilizes in ways that directly harms victims.
Yo wtf Lily Orchard made a fic that sexualizes child abuse but then goes on TH-cam and rants about "problematic media"? I had no idea about this fic, this is insane.
Yeah. The fact that she's still on the Internet to this day is beyond me. If Cosmodore or Creepshow Art got cancelled for being exposed as a horrible person, why can't be same said to Lily?
Does anyone know why it’s called Stockholm syndrome? Like the actual condition not the fanfic. Is it something to do with the Swedish city of Stockholm or??
It's called that because of the situation in which it was invented, i.e. the Norrmalmstorg robbery in Stockholm which the government thoroughly fucked up, most notably the psychologist acting as negotiator. After the Prime Minister told a bank clerk that she should be proud to die at her post, she became incredibly critical of how the entire thing was handled, feeling like it was a pissing contest with their lives. The psychologist involved drew some of said criticism, so he invented the idea that she must have fallen in love with her captors in spite of never having performed a single assessment of any of the people once the hostage situation was over. Pretty much it was a way to discredit a victim speaking out.
That legalist approach is so disgusting. I live in the UK where the age of consent is 16. However that does not mean that an adult is justified in having sex with a 16yo. The law is there so people like me (16-18 year olds) to legally explore our sexualities. Also I find it funny that the person who made a career criticising writing is this bad at writing.
Sometimes you see flaws in work that is better than what you can make yourself. Critiquing is a skill unto itself, not that Lilly is extremely good at that.
That law shouldn't exist though. No one is pressing charges on an 18-year-old dating a 17-year-old here in the States, it's just a tool for pedophiles.
i actually knew this 20 y/o in this community i was active in with a 16 y/o girlfriend and people would defend their relationship just bc of the legality since the age of consent in his girlfriend's country was 16. which, no? legality has nothing to do with the difference in maturity between a 16 year old and 20 year old. somebody that young could be easily manipulated by someone that age, never mind the fact that it just isn't practical since you have a good 2 years of high school left as a 16 year old. maybe someone like that isn't legally a pedophile, but it still says something about the kind of person you are to be 20+ and still be attracted to high school sophomore. like, have you seen a high school sophomore? they look like eighth graders.
Honestly lily isn’t really good at critiquing things either. Have you seen that steven universe video essay? I can’t get through 5 minutes of it without pausing and being appalled by the amount of nonsense she can spout in such a short period of time. The points she makes aren’t even always bad, she just presents them in the worst possible way. She has like anti ethos and anti pathos.
The more I learn about Lily, the more I’m horrified I was ever even slightly a fan of her. She’s gradually gone from slightly annoying but mildly vindicating ranter to deeply disturbing monster in my eyes.
I'm glad I only watched like two of her videos and then forgot about her completely. It was the "LOK is garbage" and the "Steven universe is garbage" videos. It's ironic that Lily calls out steven universe for pedophilia when she went and wrote this disgusting story.
Same here. Years ago I watched her, then started to have more instances of me going "wtf" towards her. Really glad I dropped her when I did, hindsight is 20/20
There's actually a term for this, they're called Synthetic Sues. They're the polar opposites of Mary Sues who are completely miserable and unperfect for the sake of making the readers sympathize with them.
I’m sorry if this gets brought up in the video at some point (outside of the brief mention of legalism) but I just wanna say: as a Canadian, it *really* bothers me how much Lily clings to the age of consent being 16. In Canada the age of consent is 16, yes, but only if the other person in the equation doesn’t hold a position of power over them (teacher, caregiver, etc.). Lily has multiple instances where a character will either be stated or state themselves to be 16, making the manipulative relationship “completely okay”. You could say “well, maybe it’s meant to be a critique on the law in Canada and why it’s so normalized!” But… it isn’t. I’ve never met a single person in my 19 years of living in Ontario who views a 16 y/o as a consenting adult. We have pretty much the same views on sex as the US does. That law is pretty much only in place so that if a 16 y/o and someone a little older fuck around the older person doesn’t spend life in jail for being a bit of a dumbass, not for 30 y/os sleeping with minors. All in all it makes me wonder just how cool Lily is with the idea that a 16 y/o is the baseline of acceptable adultery even though she shit on ToonKritic for saying pretty much the exact same thing about consent laws in the Phillipines.
@@Sanakudou in the US most states have Romeo and Juliet laws to serve that purpose. Here in Texas, the age of consent is 17 (but they can't date 19+,) but 14-16 year-olds can be in sexual relationships without it being illegal. However, there's a catch. Those in the relationship can not be more than 3 years older than their partner, so 14 can't date 18, 15 can't date 19, etc. Also, if one partner was a registered sex offender at the time the relationship started, it obviously would not be protected. If the relationship is not protected, the older partner can be charged with statutory rape. Most people just stick to the age of majority of 18. (Age of majority is when a person legally becomes an adult, i.e. sexy selfies are no longer classified as CP, parents aren't required for legal decisions, etc.)
Age of consent in Canada is more flexible than that... and more restrictive. If you are 16, you can't have a relationship with a person over the age of 20, I think it is. Children under 16 can have sex, with children within 2 years of their own age. Furthermore, any relationship where one person is in a position of trust, power, or authority over the other _is_ illegal... so... Lots of restrictions, yet it attempts to strike a balance between permitting children to explore their sexuality while also protecting the children from abuse relationships, even if the child in question can't recognize that they are _in_ an abusive relationship.
@@whodis2614that makes sense tbh. I always thought age of consent being 16 just existed so no one would get in trouble for having a sexual relationship as long as both parties were between 16-18.
What Lilly did and does, is disgusting. I have no idea why she has even an inkling of a fanbase as it’s something she doesn’t deserve. Lilly writing these just makes the fact she has a fanbase even more alien to me.
I used to be a fan of hers because I simply did not realize all this stuff existed, and given that she closely curates all visible engagement with her work, it's really easy not to realize it until you start wandering outside her little bubble OR deeper into her community. If you exist on the periphery there's basically no indication, which is part of why it's so sinister :( (I am no longer a fan for obvious reasons.)
For years I always felt uncomfortable when I watched her. Now I can properly articulate why. Listening to her genuinely makes you feel stupid and guilty for not agreeing with her if you have a differing opinion. I originally got into her stuff because she had some fresh takes on things I was interested in, only for my enthusiasm to be curbed when I became painfully aware that I was on the ever-growing suspiciously large list of people who should, in her paraphrased words: “be shot in the head and left in a ditch,” or whatever she said in that particular tantrum of hers.
Regardless of the Stockholm... thing... the fact that she went as far as misgendering you for disagreeing with her while calling you a terf is really ironic
Yeah, sorry about that, but I felt like it was the best way to explain to people the way Lily wrote this stuff without actually showing it on screen, which I'm just not comfortable with for obvious reasons.
Yeah, that's quite vile. Somehow was stupid enough to listen to this video and second time and I had to skip that part. One of these days I'm gonna figure out why I ever rewatch anything with such dark subject matter, I'm probably trying to memorize information or something.
I used to be a huge fan of Lily Orchard. She was a real influence on my writing, and during my highschool years when I was suffering from physical abuse, her "punch it in the face" mentality was something that gave me a lot of strength to stand up for myself and my little brother. I'm glad I was always too anxious to reach out to her in any meaningful way now (I was on G+ at the time, not twitter or tumblr) because I would have been prime material for grooming and harm. I'm heartbroken that someone I looked up to so much is just not going to be there for me anymore, but I hope I can be the sort of person I thought she was for other people who are struggling.
You already are. You worked your ass off to save not just yourself but your brother, too. What you have done for yourself and your sibling is nothing short of incredible, and I hope you remain proud of what YOU did. Lily might have inspired you but ultimately YOU are the one who made the change. I'm sorry life was so cruel to you, and I know that the impact that physical abuse probably had on both your physical and mental wellbeing will likely last a lifetime, but I hope the pain of it lessens over time. Don't give any credit to Lily though. Your own bravery made you a hero and you deserve to feel good about what you and you alone did. Mad respect. Be safe and take pride in yourself, internet stranger ✌
@@catboysephiroth560this comment exactly. i truly couldn’t have said it better myself. to OP, i hope you know that YOU are the one to thank for what you’ve done. i genuinely cannot imagine being in that situation, and to handle it how you did and to push through it regardless is one of the most inspirational things imaginable. i hope you and your brother are doing better now- sending lots of love and support your way💜💜
Hey, I understand ya, sometimes the words given by disgusting people do take some deeper meaning upon those who they say it too (my adoptive parents and my reaction to their "quotes"). Its about the meaning you took and from this it seems like the right path. I'm super happy for you and hope your life is going well a year later lol
The age of consent is (insert age here). Yeah, you’ll also notice that ‘consent,’ is in the description as well. Just because someone is recognized as of age by the law it doesn’t give you free reign to force yourself on them.
Heck, even an 18 or 19 year old can still 100% be groomed by a fully grown adult, but nobody wants to talk about that. One day children are protected and the very next day (their 18th birthday) bam, they're not! Pretty disgusting
As a victim of sexual and physical abuse by a grown woman, I’m beyond disgusted and horrified. Why do people think it’s acceptable to mock or think these topics, it’s disgusting and it’s a real thing! It’s horrible! I was groomed and I hate admitting it. People who think that these types of topics are hot or whatever need to be locked up and shouldn’t have the ability to see another living human being again..
Passing well wishes to you. You are absolutely right, so many people use the "it's fiction, people write about war and death all the time, why not this" excuse as if discussing a certain theme and having it present in your story is the same as romanticizing it, especially considering that CSA is so much more delicate to write about since if you go into too much detail you may just be giving p+dos fuel to get off on.
I'm a male survivor of physical and emotional abuse, and the abuser was a woman too. I just learned about Lily Orchard, and all I have to say is that I feel deeply disgusted and disturbed by her. I hope she never gets close to a minor ever again. The way she treated CSA and SA it's utterly horrible. I'm not saying you can't include this topic in your history, I'm saying that if you are going to add it, do it well, showing the agony of the victims, the distrust, the flashbacks... not the gratification of the perpetrators
I was the one who found the post of Lily bragging about pressuring NintendoGal into writing Stockholm and shared it with Opal who then shared it to twitter. So glad to see it aided in your investigation so that people can see the truth on a substantial scale. Kudos to you for putting so much effort into uncovering the tracks Lily has tried to cover for years now. I'm sure many are grateful for it and many who will be grateful to learn who she really is and then avoid her out of safety.
Funnily enough, on that one I saw an image being shared on the Lily Orchard Gossip Blog, no link of course, so I had to use the search features on the Wayback Machine, only for Brittany to tell me she'd had a copy of the link this entire time and I could have just asked. But thank you for sharing it initially, otherwise I wouldn't have known to even look for it.
I saw this title and immediately thought “Isn’t she the person that did that long and vitriolic video on Steven Universe where she accused it of all sorts of awful shit and then alleged that the crewniverse were bad people for writing it?” It’s always the people who point their fingers that got the most skeletons in their closet.
Most of the points in that video are wrong too, like a lot of things she says about SU having bad writing ignores that its overarching story isn't the main point but instead its a character based show, she also contradicts herself so so much in that video and she claims the crewniverse sexualised stevonnie but went ahead and made ... this
@@I_love_dr_stoneIt's not even about Rebecca being Jewish that's awful, it's that Sugar is a writer and show director who spent much of their time fighting for their show to not get completely removed from the network, a person who made one of the first LGBT representative media on television. And that person is called a disease, which is just.. insanity.
this stockholm shit is so fucking chilling, as a survivor of child grooming i think what i find the most sickening about it is how like, the tactics employed by the predators in the story would have absolutely worked on me, i probably would have even defended them like the victims in the story did, it displays not only an understanding of the tactics employed by groomers, but also a keen awareness of how to use them most effectively
Or if she met any child who'd been abused the way Humbert abused Delores Haze. Honestly I think she'd read Lolita and be like "Nah it's a romance. Dolores is a tsundere playing hard to get." She makes me so sick sometimes.
Lily has said that if you don't leave your abuser, on some level you enjoy being abused, hence you not leaving. She's said this about children as well as adults. So my guess is that she'd be cool with Humbert abusing Lolita, as Lo didn't leave the second she was hurt and therefore "enjoyed it", by Lily's logic.
i only knew of Lily Orchard because of her scathing Steven Universe review (which i hated/still hate) and i had no fucking clue this person had such deep running fandom connections and such skeletons in her closet.
I'm glad someone else hates that video because it's so so wrong, she misses the point of SU along with ignoring what the show is and critiquing it. Also she claims they sexualised stevonnie and she made this ... (there's a vid somewhere i saw recently of someone watching it and explaining how a lot of her points were just wrong)
I really just wonder what goes on in her brain to think that this is ok, the shit is foul and honestly the fact Lily just doesnt learn says alot about her character
@@EssenceOfThought Eesh Hiding things isnt better, especially since whats on the internet is on the internet forever since people can easily find it, also, I just recently started getting into your content! Keep it up!
Oh wow, as someone who was around for all of this but never read the fic, this is mindshattering. When I left her "fandom" it was common fucking knowledge that Lily wrote a fic with Nintendo gal called Stockholm that portrayed Rainbow Dash as a pedophile. But the story I heard was that it contained pedophilia as a subject matter and condemned it, that she had disavowed the fic due to it handling the subject matter poorly and deleted it. She said on MULTIPLE occasions "I wrote a fic where a pedophile was dragged out of a car and beaten" (it was clear from context that she was talking about Stockholm) as a way of proving that she was staunchly against pedophiles. And I trusted her on that because "everyone has an edgy phase they'd rather forget about " and she had (to my knowledge at the time) been honest about being problematic in the past. I thought it must've been bad but I never thought it was anything like this. Scars was also written WAY later. She was posting about it all the time as she wrote it. She was posting ALL OF THIS openly. And we fucking remembered it because she would yell at you if you ever asked her questions she had already given the answers for. She made her audience memorize everything about her. Why does she think she can just fucking lie all of a sudden? I'm only half way through the video but I'm already speechless.
8:49 whats interesting is that in the actual show, specifically in one of its first episodes. The show give us a lesson completely contrary to this lesson from the fanfic, in the episode I talk about the character of rainbow dash introduces to her friends some other friend she has called Gilda, while Gilda is good with rainbow dash… with everyone else she is a complete asshole. When rainbow dash realizes this she puts her foot down and makes clear that she isn’t going to tolerate someone bullying her friends, even if comes from another friend, another friend who was shown to be nothing more than a bully. This is interesting because rainbow was never victim of Gilda bullying but instead her friends, but rainbow dash still made clear that she wasn’t going to tolerate such thing and ends her friendship with Gilda right there. Meanwhile the lesson given in lily little fanfic is pretty much to enable bad behavior and to keep close to toxic people or else you would be a bad friend.
I'm so glad you made these videos. I was a Lily Orchard fan before getting bored of them. But I used to think she was a good voice for calling out pedophilia in the MLP fandom, but now I see this was just a smokescreen. I keep seeing this kind of shit from youtubers exposing child predators. A good chunk of them are just using it as cover 😔
It's a fairly common tactic child predators use, inserting themselves into children's spaces claiming to be a "protector". Reminds me of a local predator who ran security at a few of the local sci-fi and fantasy conventions. He put together a small group of "voluntary security staff" and claimed to be there to "protect children", surrounding himself with tween and early teen boys. He was alleged to have molested several of them; along with others in his inner circle.
@@decristal48 one quote from fallout that will never cease to be true- (paraphrasing, as I don't quite recall the exact words) "I don't trust a man who doesn't have something strange about him. If a man has a tendency to speak backwards from time to time, or wears his pants on his head, you've got it all laid out for you. If he's friendly to strangers and keeps his home spick and span, then he's probably done something even his momma couldn't forgive."
watching this on intersex pride day not knowing anything about this fanfic and its really reminded me that people see us intersex people as either fetishes or monsters GODAM 💀💀great video ty for bringing more awareness to this horrible bastard
I’m not Intersex but I thought the exact same thing she’s disgusting for fetishising you guys like you’re the “peak fetish body” I hate how she sees Intersex people
Lily's sort of behaviour is unacceptable. As a trans young person myself, I already gained hypersexuality when I was much younger. I'm disgusted that lily is doing all of this shit to vulnerable youth. There's no excuse for her behaviour and she needs to be called out for what she's done. Children online should be protected not shoved into sexual relationships.
I was 15 when I was SA'd by my own Stepfather, and this fanfic makes me heavily uncomfortable... I'm so glad you're calling out Lily Orchard for what they've done.
Setting aside the topic of Lily I hope you know that nothing that happened was your fault, that man is a monster, and you deserve healing, love and safety in your life. I'm so sorry this happened to you.
I've been away from my Stepfather since I was about 17 years old, he's been incarcerated for about 5 years now. I've been in therapy and I've been working to get Disability for my Autism. I'm in a healthy relationship, and I've been working to get my life back together and living on my own with the help of my case worker. 💜
It's a shame, I used to think Lily was a good person because they got me out of some really harmful believes. What really made me snapp was the response she made on her channel. I was waiting for her to address the evidence against her and she just didn't.
@@EssenceOfThought while I need to think about this more in a lot of her content she does use quite violent language. This has occasionally been a breath of fresh air like with the tune critics situation but it feels threatening. I do you understand that tone policing is a thing and she's right to call that out but it often feels more threatening. This isn't an accusation at lily but more me thinking about her content.
It feels threatening because it is. Just like how her calling out pedos in the pony community was a smokescreen for all of her pedo behavior. When she talks about “tone policing,” what she’s really talking about is people calling her out for being hostile, abusive, demeaning, insulting, and just all around unpleasant. All of the above are not the same as expressing genuine outrage and should not be held in the same regard.
Watched another hour-long deep-dive on this absolute trash fire serious a few days ago and holy shit it was so much worse than I thought. Thank you for continuing to shine the light on her awful behaviour
this reminds me of that post "hello kitty doesnt like xanax or blood or knives or other horrible stuff you post her with she likes apple pie, baking cookies, and hanging out with her friends !" like what does rainbowdash got to do with ur sicko disgusting fantasy
At least the Hello Kitty stuff is ironic. It's a reflection of the edgy teenagers who also like Hello Kitty. This Stockholm shit is genuinely deplorable.
I did not know that Lily Orchard and Lily Peet were the same person. That gives new context to a lot of the weird stuff that happened on DeviantART that still impacts current conflicts in the art commentary community.
Hold up, what happened with her dA? I never knew about any of that. Then again, most of what I knew about Lily up until this point was that she wrote Stockholm and made awful takes about Steven Universe on youtube.
damn, up until today i only knew her as "that loud brony who made a way-too-long viral video about how she thinks steven universe is bad cus there's no killing and was generally just kind of mean" but all this is just too much... this person is an actual danger
I had to replay that clip of her going "Can't to do Stockholm, I wrote that one" repeatedly just from the sheer irony of it. And you can't imagine my joy when you also replayed it multiple times in the video.
this is hardly related to the video, but props to you for not saying Lily's deadname. a lot of creators who have criticized her have openly mentioned her deadname for no genuine reason, and it's refreshing to see someone who won't do that.
I can't get over Lily's way of acting like her shit doesn't stink when she has THIS MUCH of her shit in plain sight. It reeks and it keeps piling up. The fact that she has the gall to act morally superior to writers for their enjoyment of writing tropes she dislikes (enemies to lovers or redemption arcs) or hating their characters (Steven Universe, She-Ra, and Owl House) all the while she fetishizes minors, continues to do so, and has no qualms with being far worse than the people she hates on.
Many of us had read some at least questionable fanfics in our teenage years. At such an age, you don't usually know any better, unless someone directly points out why it is so wrong. Especially if your parents were not really open about the topic that pedophillia has other forms than straightforward kidnapping.
You were 15. It's no shame you didn't realize how bad it was as a teenager. Teenagers don't realize the full horror of that kind of situation ... which is exactly why it's bad for adults IRL to groom teenagers. They don't know better, and that's the point.
It’s not something you have to feel disgusted with yourself for. You were literally age appropriate for the characters in the story, and a lot of teens are primed to see relationships between characters their age and older people as “cool” “mature” or just a fictional way to explore their own sexuality (which is a minefield but in some cases can be okay).
It makes me sad that because our society punishes all queer people for the worst among us that I feel uncomfortable with this because all of us but especially trans people are going to be collectively punished because of the bad behavior of some queer people because queer people are people and some of us are going to be bad.
I think this might explain why Lily conveniently ignores the fact that Lapis tried to fly away from Jasper before Jasper grabs her and holds her down in the scene when they fused
Tbh I only agreed with half of her points there. Like how the story is made to make u see lapis as a victim who did no wrong. But forgets it set up a base for 1 lapis to be an abuser 2 jaspers to be an abuser 3 for both of them to be victims. While her labeling lapis as an evil heartless abuser was a bit unfair. But I did notice this is how the fandom views jasper. When the roles r switched ppl quickly realize how unfair that is to think. Which I wish ppl could do the same for jasper. Just hold them BOTH accountable. Jasper tried to manipulate lapis to fuse to defeat the Chrystal gems. Lapis pretends to give in then traps jasper in a fusion for 2 months giving them both Stockholm syndrome. The show sets the plot for both to be abusers and victims. Tbh lapis doe play the bigger role in the abuse regarding the relationship itself since the manipulation stuff from jasper is prior to actually fusing. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t wrong. Abuse is abuse. Tho it isn’t the fandoms fault for seeing lapis as a poor helpless victim because the show portrays it that way too. Lapis never faces consequences for it and even Steven himself sweeps it under the rug never bringing it up. No one does. Even in SU future in lapis’s sing she says “that mirror was a prison, and fusion was the same” but it was lapis who made the fusion a prison in the first place? Yes I understand a lot of the times the abused end up abusing other ppl but when u somehow make lapis the victim in a situation where she clearly abused someone it’s just, I don’t even know what to call it. Lazy writing? Favoritism? WHO KNOWS.. lapis says it herself she was wrong to jasper and their relationship was terrible. But then that’s the end. In earthling jasper’s says “why does no one I fuse with ever want to stay?” Showing she doesn’t understand lapis’s decision was better for both of them. It’s sad. But that’s the end of it because they decide to just corrupt her instead of giving her an arc. They try to rush one in future shown in so ep1 buts it’s ruined because she’s later used as a scapegoat for Steven do kill someone. Steven murdered someone . OH but it’s ok cus it’s jasper. After shattering her and leaving her with more trauma Steven gives up on her basically and continues his life. Throughout the story the Chrystal gems never do anything to change her mind abt them so no wonder jasper stays a villian. Lily does address something abc lapis I never noticed. Her bad writing. She is abused then becomes an abuser which is handled poorly. She has an arc(kinda) abt recovering from her abuse but never being an abuser. The way lapis unintentionally hurts peridot because peridot feels a need to make her happy constantly due to what lapis’s been through. Scared to tell her no. The only consequences lapis gets is, Nothing. Peridot doesn’t even say anything abt it when lapis is back. The skip to future doesn’t help as well. The lapidot duo is never faced with a situation like that which tells us whether or not they have worked on that part of their relationship. ….so basically I’m agreeing with u. Kinda. I just don’t like how hypocritical the fandom can be when it comes to their relationship.
Lily is basically just using Rainbow Dash as a mask to hide herself and her true feelings. People usually do this in "fanfics" like these, where they use characters as a scapegoat so *you hate the character themselves, and not the person who is actually like this, writing their ideologies and then slapping a fictional character onto them.* This is completely intentional on their part, I’m glad people aren’t falling for it and just calling Lily out themselves. (Let it be known that this is also a tactic so that when people see that character, they may associate it with them. Don’t fall for this trap and don’t associate the character with the story, as the creator wants attention for their beliefs and will use any innocent or upstanding character to do so.)
And also add to the fact that Rainbow Dash would NEVER do anything in that “story”. I’ve never even watched the show, but I’ve known Dash’s character/attributes enough to know that that’s not what they would do at all. (And the fact they had the nerve, the audacity, the non-existent BALLS to use one of my many personal favorite characters and use thin in that sense. Hell no!
I’m so glad I never read Stockholm. I was a fan of her’s for maybe a year or two around the time the grimdark video came out, back when I was a young teen. I thought huh, she wrote a fanfic. I decided not to read it because I assumed it would be about a character with Stockholm syndrome and I didn’t wanna read about that. I’m so glad I did, I dodged a bullet there. People don’t seem to realize how much content like this traumatized minors like me back during the days of MLP Gen 4. I ended up reading a different one shot fic where the cmc were raped by I think Applejack’s older brother? They weren’t aged up and I think it involved gore too. Maybe murder, but idk. (looking it up, the fanfic was called the sweet Apple massacre) Idk, that messed me up. I wouldn’t stop thinking about how terrifying it was, how there were adults who would want to do that to kids like me. It, along with many other things I’d encountered, made me feel inherently unsafe in this world. Terrified that every adult could turn on me, that I couldn’t trust anyone to not hurt me, especially in a sexual way. Even if the kids who read Stockholm weren’t pulled in by Lily, there was likely irreparable harm done to them similar to me, and I for one hope her name becomes synonymous with Stockholm so everybody knows what she did (and probably continues to do honestly).
My god sweet Apple massacre… that brings back some memories. I also read it when I was a tween and in the midst of my CSA and it genuinely made me so nauseous I just had to sit and stare at a wall and try not to vomit. In hindsight I think it was part of a wave of edgy purposefully horrible grimdark fics people wrote in the mlp fandom as a sort of edgelord “joke”, and the person who wrote it, unlike lily, might not be an actual predator. It’s so over the top horrible that it doesn’t feel sincere, maybe that’s just me being older and jaded idk
it pisses me off beyond belief when people say that fanfictions like these don't affect anyone because they do, these people have absolutely no idea how weaponized these fanfictions are. or maybe they do and they're just genuinely cruel people. couldn't tell ya
@@DireShire this is why i use ao3 and ALWAYS read the tags.. i've dodged some truly nasty bullets bc the moment i see any tag that something gory or sexual i just dip lmfao
If I could put in my two cents for a moment, when I look through her Tumblr, there's sometimes anonymous people who engaged in sexual role playing with her in her ask box. It always made me awkward that people would do something like that so openly on a public forum. That, and due to personal experiences of being groomed in a slightly similar fashion by other people during my high school years (2008-2010). The more I hear about what Lily has done and what she has excused/denied, the more I wonder why people still follow her.
After skimming through Stockholm for the comfirmation of every accusation made, and seeing that all of them are true. I feel like that you and a couple others failed to mention some hateful and flat out dangerous undertones of how Lily views things such as Intersex 0eople, sexual depravity, and the study of Stockholm symdrome and PTSD. As someone who has PTSD and in extent, stockholm. I felt that what she summarized in this novel series is- repulsive to say the least as to how ptsd looks. Especially from trauma survivors of r*pe and painting Anstesia as this gullible individual. Even after she was almost murdered by twilight and twi was institutionalized for it. Which- didnt even do much. Also, acceptance and caring for people like she does with dash makes. Absolutely no sense. Like she encouraged her that its alright, and than for some reason, hated her and than accepted her as a lover? After m*lesting children? Seriously?
it’s very hard to tend to the ugly side of our own communities in a world where optics are everything, and outsiders view incidents like this as “trans women harm everyone bc they’re trans women” rather than *neutrally observe it as “a human being harmed one of their own.”* it’s an even bigger slap to the face considering that *lgbt kids are sexually victimized at a crazy high rate compared to cishet kids.* obviously we ARE capable of equal help and harm as anyone else, but when a queer person harms another *it’s weighted unequally and punished heavier* by the cishet majority-heavier *than when the cishets deal with a harmful individual amongst themselves.* i don’t have a solid opinion for OR against LGBT+ separatism. but *this terrible social dynamic between 1) queers doing community repair & 2) cishets using ANY “imperfect” queer to beat down the rest of us…* makes me wonder if that might be a necessary move for queer communities to rehabilitate ourselves.
It's stories like this that demonstrate that no set of fandom opinions can keep you safe from abusers and predators. Abusers will go wherever they can prey on people, and that gets easier to do when they can create an extreme us-versus-them mentality where everyone else is a monster/out to get you. Because if everyone else is your enemy, you'll cling to them, and when they prey on you you'll have no one left to turn to.
Having read the original (it is actually worse than the video is able to describe, like, it really feels like apologia for predators of all colors. As an example, anti-pedophiles (normal people?) Are villainized to such a degree that when confronting rainbow dash they try to murder scootaloo), I find it difficult to imagine anyone taking it seriously. It's so poorly written that you spend most of the fanfiction laughing at the absurdity of everything. Just the dialogue in the first chapter is enough to get most people laughing. It is through and through a massive crackfic, and it feels like it's own attempts to justify itself ultimately are the most disturbing parts of it, more than any of the non meta actual story. And when it comes down to it the actual industry is so infested with CSA apologia and predator centric narratives that something on a *fanfiction* is never going to be seen as important
It's so bizarre to me that Lily continues to pretend she never wrote this. Telling the truth would be much less effort, and people would probably respect her a lot more, but instead she chooses to run this whole disinformation campaign because... why? Because it'd be harder to get victims of child sexual abuse and domestic violence to trust her if they knew she'd written a story that glorified those things? Because it's an accusation her critics have frequently made, so by pretending it's not true she can convince her audience to dismiss anything else they say as inaccurate? Because it's on Kiwifarms, so by pretending this information doesn't exist anywhere else she can label anyone who brings it up a transphobe who secretly browses hate sites? I simply don't get it at all.
I kinda knew lily was a massive hypocrite because of her sylvanas fanfiction recommendations being the exact kind of trash she criticized blizzard for but dame this is so much worse.
its so fucking funny that she says the disturbing things in stockholm where added by trolls but indirectly referred to it as disturbing in that halloween video
Thank you for spreading awareness of this. She may try to shrug off responsibility by taking the role of the victim, and decry people holding her accountable for her actions as deplorable bigots- but at the end of the day the facts and truth are there. She cannot hide from what she has done, no matter how hard she tries. For anyone doubting this video- the evidence is there on the internet to this day. All it takes is some investigation. I do hope that under this growing spotlight of shame it becomes more difficult for her to groom the minors in her audience, and that people begin to see through her lies. Again, thank you. As someone who is a survivor of grooming and CSA, I appreciate what you and other channels are doing to bring down the hammer on sicko's like her.
To add, I am a trans masculine father, her allegations against you by calling you a terf is absolutely head spinning. My wife who is transfem is enraged on your behalf, as Lily not only is a groomer but actively misgenders other trans people as well! All while pretending to be a pillar of the community. You are out here protecting children- especially trans youth who are simply looking for a place to belong- by spreading the word of her actions that can harm them. If anything you are not only protecting all kids by speaking out, but also the trans kids who view her content in search of community and guidance from us trans adults who are SUPPOSED TO PROTECT, ACCEPT AND GUIDE THEM. So again, thank you. I will keep an eye out and spread awareness of what she has done as much as I can.
@@ArcherOfEden a transmasc with a transfem wife! so interesting to me (as someone from somewhere not too friendly to the queer community), im happy to hear youre doing your part in guiding children away from trans figures like lily and towards more positive trans figures :)
I am totally blown away by your commitment to not only searching for every scrap of evidence available to make sure that you're putting out a solid case, but also showing us as the viewers how you found the information you're showing so we can fact check it for ourselves. Please keep up the fantastic work, thank you for shining a /blinding/ light on this predator.
I remember how I got drawn into Lily’s content. I wasn't a viewer for long, but after watching one video, I was hooked by one thing. Her rage This came from her Star Wars videos mainly, where many of the opinions she expressed were against the toxic bigoted side of said community. Opinions I shared. The rage I shared. One had not found anywhere else and it felt good seeing someone who felt the same as me. Someone telling me my feelings was valid But after hearing everything you’ve said in this video, I know that rage is the only thing we share Morally, we are nothing the same and I'm glad I found this out sooner rather than later. Thank you
Before I found out how horrible she was, like described in the above video, she honestly pissed me off by writing off any white male character as useless angst fodder, cause while it is totally valid to make complaints of existing white favoritism and sexism, taking the spotlight and overused tropes, etc. with Lily it felt like she just hated the characters cause they are angsty white males, without looking into whether the character's story is actually badly written or the character is given undeserved sympathy or woobified or whatever. kind like, just cause a character is overrated and the fanbase may suffer from some favoritism, doesn't mean the character themself is necessarily bad.
I know it's something little, but thank you for putting closed captions on your video and putting the script in the description. I'm not hard of hearing but it's really hard for me to process words sometimes. Again I know it's smthn small but so many youtubers either don't do it or have auto generated captions (which rarely work correctly) so it means a lot.
I wanted to say that your avatar is really pretty and very well made. I don't know if you drew it yourself but if that's the case, you are really skilled! It made the experience of watching the video a bit less stressing. So thank you
Isn’t Lily the person who accused Rebecca Sugar of being a fascist? Like a whole takedown video of Steven Universe? Jesus, I just thought she had a real bad take on a kids show. Wtaf. Wtaf.
The very same, and it's interesting that you should mention Lil Miss Rarity on account of one of those non-photographic depictions of child sexual abuse I was talking about throughout the video. Can't say more, though.
I’ve always loved how her argument recently that she didn’t make it is literally just. “I didn’t make it lol”. With no evidence. So scummy to write something like this and then hide it dump all the blame on your co Writer and try to become a martyr against Child abuse.
She's part of the problem she crusades. Sexualizing a children's show and even if you don't intend for minors to see it, they'll find it, because the source is from a show MADE FOR THEM. Though considering her other actions I wouldn't doubt that she did want minors reading it.
It's her shield and her lure; she's putting on the act to lure minors to her by pretending to be safe and it deflects criticism because she can point to the fact that she's openly anti-grooming (while hiding the fact that she's not, behind the curtains) Predators like to pretend to be something good and safe. Even in nature and for an example: A snapping turtle's tongue; it looks like a worm, but as soon at the fish gets close, it bites I believe Ethel talks about being the victim of this kind of predator in a video, but I don't remember which one...
I feel like if she had the fic end with Celestial staring at the letter from Twilight and being not only disturbed by the events of the fic but also disturbed by what Twilight had concluded from it all and starting to wonder if she made a mistake by taking Twilight on as her student and making her a princess in the first place. even better if it absolutely has to end with a piece of writing have it be Celestia sending a reply or even revoking Twilight's status as a princess would be a neat ending bc Twilight's letters are, like you said, a summary of the moral.
Man I've heard, about all kinds of infamous fucked up fanfiction that's out there. This one is the worst. The only thing worse, is the person who wrote it.
Accidentally watched a Lily Orchard video in entirety (I haven't watched one since her SU vid) and she's still so... specific. In the sense that the majority of her video was petty digs at the creator of the game, players, and, of course, an entirely unnecessary dig at the queer community as a whole. It made me feel incredibly strange to see a fellow trans person decry other trans creators as terminally online and making up people to be mad at. The various ad hominim attacks she makes toward the creator of the game and those who enjoyed it also muddied the valid criticisms she was trying to make. Her Steven Universe video did immediately spawn critical thinking in my teen brain, though, by the fact that the points she were trying to make... sucked and didn't make sense. I genuinely hope she grows as a person and creator
It's really frustrating that this is one of the main people responsible for the public opinion around Steven Universe. I feel like there will never be another good take on that show, the discourse has been too poisoned.
It wouldn’t matter if the purpose of the story was to show the horrors of child predation or not; if it involves in-depth sexual scenes with a minor, than it’s morally reprehensible.
A lot of toxic people use claims of transphobia or other forms of bigotry to deflect criticism levied against them. It's unfortunately way more common than you'd think, and often makes having reasonable discourse about the person extremely difficult
@@TalenkauenTV As a trans person, I agree. The topic of calling out trans people for behavior like this is extremely complicated, but it’s origins lie in bigotry. People have been throwing completely baseless accusations against all trans people as a way to demonize us as a collective for years (a common one you may know is the “all trans people are pedophiles!” claim). As a result, accusations towards individual trans people cause the trans community to get extremely defensive. This defensiveness formed as a way for the community to protect itself against bigotry, however it can also be harmful, and I believe it’s what created the “if you call out a trans person, you’re transphobic!” crowd of people your comment describes. Some trans people absolutely are dangerous and need to be spoken about, but how to go about it is often where discourse occurs. Unless you clarify over 100 times that not every trans person behaves the same way, some bigoted moron will try to use the 1 bad trans person to demonize the collective. It’s sad because it creates a dangerous environment on both sides. People are either going to attack you because they feel you attacked first, or manipulate what you said to appeal to their agenda, which both encourage people to stay silent to avoid the discourse. If we can’t talk about problems, we can’t solve them.
Oh wow, I didn't know Lily did any of this. I thought that she only had bad opinions, but I'm glad I got informed about the disgusting things she refuses to address or own up to. Thinking about what she wrote in Stockholm and especially how she treats it makes me sick to my stomach and I hope more people can be aware of this.
I haven't heard about this person at all since she made that anti-steven universe video years ago, and it's... weirdly gratifying to learn that someone who came off as so puritanically critical of creators who were genuinely trying their best is actually a billion times shittier in real life than she accused them of being. It seems like people who find the most fault in others are generally the most at fault themselves, just as a general principle.
As a CSA victim, I can't even put into words how disgusted this makes me. Thank you so much for going out of your way to expose this predator, most people would've just ignored it and walked away because it's too uncomfortable.
right i get very sick of people ripping lily apart for her bad media takes when there is far FAR more important things to be addressing such as her being a predator and abuser, both of which are very well documented.
She can be hated for all of the above. Especially when the two intersect. A lot of the points she uses to criticize other media are usually things that apply to herself.
I hate the fact that this of all fanfiction’s is the only intersex rep I’ve ever seen in media, and it’s in the most fetishized way ever (I’m not even intersex, but it’s appallingly obvious)
Before I watched this video, I went to read the fic and stop when it got problematic. I was like “this doesn’t seem this bad” at first, but then it mentioned pumpkin cake and pound cake being together and I stopped 💀
I actually used to be a fan of Lily. I stoped watching her after I found the "fan art" video. Where she basically was making excuses not to credit the artists of the fan art in her videos. Glad I made the right call
Good instincts. I didn't even know the MLP fandom rabbit hole was this deep, and I'm still trying to process that someone would write a messed up fic in a fandom explicitly aimed at children and teenagers. Gives me the heebie-jeebies.
Finally someone addresses how vile lily truly is. She’s given me awful vibes since the beginning. I remember watching their Steven Universe critique video and not being able to sit through it due to the venom and pure aggression the video was full of, I agreed with some of her points in the video and liked and heavily agreed with some of her criticisms on the show itself. but couldn’t stomach the constant yelling and poison I felt like it injected into my mentality and the nauseating gut intuition feeling that something wasn’t right about her, I’ve watched all your videos on the subject and finally understand why I felt so sick to my stomach just hearing her name. Now that I know how much of a toxic predator she is I will be warning anyone I know and steering clear of her and her fanbase.
The key to remember about predatory behavior is that it mirrors the predatory behavior of creatures found in animal kingdom. From feigning vulnerability and injury to lure in prey, to targeting people biased on power dynamics, to tricking others by using their own habits and instincts against them. Lily has shown gross behavior from the start, but the whole thing with Ink rose and Josh, as well as the behavior with her fans and cocreators would take it from creepy to disgusting.
@@birbcat1264 I know, right?! Like, it started off bad and shot off to horrible faster than the SLS rocket. I just... oh god, it's just horrific on so many different levels.
I watched this video after christmas - And I am back to cope with the fanfic in the comments because youtube wants me to suffer by recommending me this very same thumbnail and with that being said- AAAAAAHHH
I keep wondering what the city of Stockholm has ever done to deserve this. In a more serious note, I knew beforehand that Lily was a person to stay away from, but holy hell, this is utterly messed up. I hope people quickly manage to divest themselves from her, for their own safety's sake
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Lily Orchard wrote Stockholm, a series which not only sexualises minors but includes real life rape apologetics, as covered in today's video. We also debunk Lily's three main excuses, leaving no doubt to the authenticity of the archived copies.
One question will the next video be on the ginger situation that you mentioned?
No, it'll cover Lily's distribution of NPDCSA's.
@@EssenceOfThought good I can’t wait I might even archive the whole playlist just in case
@@artman9246 DO archive this whole thing
Edit: can’t put anything past orchard
@@EssenceOfThought giving sweetie bell trousers so she won’t tempt RD
That’s literally r@p3 culture :’( poor child was gr00m3d
"aged *up* to 14" is a terrifying statement
That's an answer to how old trick or treaters should be, not to this. Absolutely filthy.
4 words horror story
thats crazyyy
aging up exclusively to sexualize a character is crazy enough but to age them up to NOT EVEN BE AN ADULT is just 😭
@@HopeIsADrug11037 NOT EVEN AN OLD ENOUGH TEEN. LIKE 16 AND 17 ARE STILL DISTURBING BUT 14??? NAHH 😭
This is the same woman who wrote "do not pair an adult with a minor" in her 50 writing tips. . .
She broke it
@@keshagriffin3375 a Beatrice fan, nice
Speaking from experience.
100*
She is definitely projecting
The fact she wrote this then had the nerve to post 100 tips on writing is hilarious
Back before I put things together and realized just how messed up the writing was when I was a fan of hers, i read some of Lily's work. She uses the word coo or cooed, constantly. It got to point that it was exhausting to read the word.
Number one tip of writing: Make a story glorifying r*pists and child abuse
Idk about my little pony stuff but i saw the writing tips and most of them are either subjective opinions, straight up wrong and rest are like "if you write, write well".
I actually watched a video on said writing tips before this
@@UrethraDestroy
Diregemtleman’s Two Professional Writers, per chance?
remembering how lily calls people pedophiles for writing fanfic like these. It feels like she is deflecting big time. she is so so dangerous
She also at 1 point tried to blame the writing of these stories on Josh scorcher and try to say that he was falsely accusing her of writing the stories
@@TheAnonyomusGuy Josh Scorcher huh...been a while since I heard that name. Can't believe they used to work together lmao
@@spicegrill Unfortunately Josh is why the Lily we know exists today. She was very obscure and used to be called Bhaalspawn. She did video game reviews that ripped off Yahtzee's style before Josh discovered her, deconstructed one of her reviews, they collabed on a video together, then Lily would go on to be an editor for Josh for a while and making her own TH-cam channel. Crazy thing is how that all started about 10 years ago.
See, I’m all for literature exploring horrible crap, if it’s INTENDED to show how f*cked up it is. As in, psychological analysis, or generally meant to condemn the behavior.
This is not that. Like, at all. Just. Wtf is wrong with her for writing this?
to be fair, i think she'd be pretty good at figuring out who is a pedo or not. she just has to see if shes texted them on telegram before or not
It’s ironic that she wrote something as weird as this when one of her criticisms of Steven Universe was that Rebecca Sugar drew Ed Edd and Eddy NSFW, since the characters are minors. Except she completely left out the fact that Sugar was a minor herself when she drew that, unlike Lily who is a grown adult.
The amount of projection is unreal
It's like with those most faithful Christians, then it turns out that they cheat on their wife and have CP in the computer
Yknow that one weird mha artist Erin? This is the vibe I’m getting
I was trying to figure out why Lily's name sounded familiar!!! OMFG
Rebecca was 19 when she made it. Lily sucks but let's not pretend Rebecca Sugar isn't also kind of weird
wait is she the “if you like villains you’re a bad person” tips writer…
Yep.
She is. She's also currently writing a fic where her "hero" is a fascist who murders everyone who disagrees with her, though, so I suspect she doesn't know what hero and villain mean.
She also calls any form of conflict torture porn
@@morganqorishchi8181 wait can you elaborate
@@eldritchcupcakes3195 They are referring to "The Sith Resurgence" - A Star Wars fanfic where there are a lot of problematic issues with it (no surprise there)
Something that immediately ticked me off was Lily saying that Rainbow Dash's predatory behavior is because of her having a phallus in her stories, but at the same time she calls people TERFs, assuming they're attacking her because she's a trans woman. Like, way to give people like them ammunition.
That's one of the truly sickening things about Lily Orchard; she's exactly the sort of sexual predator that TERFs try to portray all transpeople as being.
Agreed. But also, lily is a massive raging hypocrite, without an ounce of self awareness, so are we really that surprised ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Making an entire story about predatory grooming was more than enough ammunition. It’s almost like Lily is a strawman but like an actual person
It sucks. Lots of people already think that all trans people are just creeps, we don't need them taking this and using it against them because they don't know that you can be trans and a bad person at the same time and it doesn't mean all other trans people are like that
"Rainbow Dash's predatory behavior is because of her having a phallus" is one of the sentences of all time
As a transwoman, I'm glad to see you, a transwoman, call out lily, a transwoman, for their terrible attributes. I think people forget sometimes that, like with all people, there is the good and the bad.
And Lily is VERY BAD
Yep. Even if I know someone is an ally, I always feel just a bit uncomfortable with it. Regardless, I'm glad someone's calling her out anyway.
There was a kind of pendulum swing from queer people bad --> sweet innocent babies. I'm glad that people have gotten with the program that trans people are just people
I offered someone a ride after a Pride event. We met up there, never having met in person before and not really knowing each other online well either. I'd driven there, she took the bus.
I made the offer with the comment that she didn't have to trust me because we don't know each other and I wouldn't be offended if she declined. She said, “I trust you, you're trans." (she was also trans) I countered with something to the effect of "So? Being trans doesn't make a person trustworthy or even not a creep."
I've met *plenty* of trans creeps and abusers. It's not only transfems either (as terfs might have you believe). Predatory behavior crosses all gender and racial lines. You can only trust or distrust people as individuals.
Also doesn't give Lily the awful halfassed excuse of anyone who criticizes her being transphobic
This this this. Every minority is just like the majority in one major way: we have wonderful and awful people too. Not every trans person has to be a paragon of moral upstanding. MOST trans people are lovely but theres always an underbelly to EVERY community.
As a childhood SA survivor, this type of shit just makes me both incredibly mad and so, so tired. Will society ever get actually serious about stopping CSA? I really don't think it will. And that's an awful thing to think about.
Yeah, that's why all we can really do right now is keep putting out evidence in hopes that it saves as many people as possible.
I'm sorry you have to deal with this shit, man
I feel you guys, the relieving and sad thing is that since this is such a prominent issue, then a kid in this position today would be able to see the red flags, but the sad thing is that it's awful it happens so often that it has a stimulus.
Im also a CSA survivor and I’m on the same page. It makes me so sad seeing this romanticized
Sports, cars, business, food, fashion, film... pretty much everything and anything other than other forms of abuse.
Don't be mistaken, society LOVES to PRETEND like it cares about CSA, but it doesn't, not in any meaningful way. In fact, society often mobilizes in ways that directly harms victims.
Yo wtf Lily Orchard made a fic that sexualizes child abuse but then goes on TH-cam and rants about "problematic media"? I had no idea about this fic, this is insane.
Yeah. The fact that she's still on the Internet to this day is beyond me. If Cosmodore or Creepshow Art got cancelled for being exposed as a horrible person, why can't be same said to Lily?
Fr I cant believe I watched her when I was in middle school 😭😭😭😭😭
@@AverageEggmonEnthusiastI can't believe I used to watch her too💀
Fuck i meant can't*
She does constantly deny that she made it when facts say otherwise.
An apology to the citizens of Stockholm is long overdue
I need it.
Does anyone know why it’s called Stockholm syndrome? Like the actual condition not the fanfic. Is it something to do with the Swedish city of Stockholm or??
@@guytrashgurtdogi believe it was discovered in Stockholm so that’s why it’s named like that
It's called that because of the situation in which it was invented, i.e. the Norrmalmstorg robbery in Stockholm which the government thoroughly fucked up, most notably the psychologist acting as negotiator. After the Prime Minister told a bank clerk that she should be proud to die at her post, she became incredibly critical of how the entire thing was handled, feeling like it was a pissing contest with their lives. The psychologist involved drew some of said criticism, so he invented the idea that she must have fallen in love with her captors in spite of never having performed a single assessment of any of the people once the hostage situation was over. Pretty much it was a way to discredit a victim speaking out.
@@EssenceOfThought well that’s fucked up, that just makes the fic look even worse
That legalist approach is so disgusting. I live in the UK where the age of consent is 16. However that does not mean that an adult is justified in having sex with a 16yo. The law is there so people like me (16-18 year olds) to legally explore our sexualities.
Also I find it funny that the person who made a career criticising writing is this bad at writing.
Sometimes you see flaws in work that is better than what you can make yourself. Critiquing is a skill unto itself, not that Lilly is extremely good at that.
That law shouldn't exist though. No one is pressing charges on an 18-year-old dating a 17-year-old here in the States, it's just a tool for pedophiles.
"Legally explore our sexualities"
No, that law is there so that you don't catch a case despite being the same age
i actually knew this 20 y/o in this community i was active in with a 16 y/o girlfriend and people would defend their relationship just bc of the legality since the age of consent in his girlfriend's country was 16. which, no? legality has nothing to do with the difference in maturity between a 16 year old and 20 year old. somebody that young could be easily manipulated by someone that age, never mind the fact that it just isn't practical since you have a good 2 years of high school left as a 16 year old.
maybe someone like that isn't legally a pedophile, but it still says something about the kind of person you are to be 20+ and still be attracted to high school sophomore. like, have you seen a high school sophomore? they look like eighth graders.
Honestly lily isn’t really good at critiquing things either. Have you seen that steven universe video essay? I can’t get through 5 minutes of it without pausing and being appalled by the amount of nonsense she can spout in such a short period of time. The points she makes aren’t even always bad, she just presents them in the worst possible way. She has like anti ethos and anti pathos.
The more I learn about Lily, the more I’m horrified I was ever even slightly a fan of her. She’s gradually gone from slightly annoying but mildly vindicating ranter to deeply disturbing monster in my eyes.
I see we're in the same boat, a toast to learning and growing
Same
I'm glad I only watched like two of her videos and then forgot about her completely. It was the "LOK is garbage" and the "Steven universe is garbage" videos. It's ironic that Lily calls out steven universe for pedophilia when she went and wrote this disgusting story.
Same here. Years ago I watched her, then started to have more instances of me going "wtf" towards her. Really glad I dropped her when I did, hindsight is 20/20
I feel this
Bragging about your domestically abused character not being a Mary-Sue is so boldly out of touch
Didn't she complain about the Mane Six not being Mary Sues? She basically implied they're bad people because they aren't immediately perfect.
There's actually a term for this, they're called Synthetic Sues. They're the polar opposites of Mary Sues who are completely miserable and unperfect for the sake of making the readers sympathize with them.
@@troin3925Spiderman?
I’m sorry if this gets brought up in the video at some point (outside of the brief mention of legalism) but I just wanna say: as a Canadian, it *really* bothers me how much Lily clings to the age of consent being 16. In Canada the age of consent is 16, yes, but only if the other person in the equation doesn’t hold a position of power over them (teacher, caregiver, etc.). Lily has multiple instances where a character will either be stated or state themselves to be 16, making the manipulative relationship “completely okay”.
You could say “well, maybe it’s meant to be a critique on the law in Canada and why it’s so normalized!” But… it isn’t. I’ve never met a single person in my 19 years of living in Ontario who views a 16 y/o as a consenting adult. We have pretty much the same views on sex as the US does. That law is pretty much only in place so that if a 16 y/o and someone a little older fuck around the older person doesn’t spend life in jail for being a bit of a dumbass, not for 30 y/os sleeping with minors.
All in all it makes me wonder just how cool Lily is with the idea that a 16 y/o is the baseline of acceptable adultery even though she shit on ToonKritic for saying pretty much the exact same thing about consent laws in the Phillipines.
@@Sanakudou in the US most states have Romeo and Juliet laws to serve that purpose. Here in Texas, the age of consent is 17 (but they can't date 19+,) but 14-16 year-olds can be in sexual relationships without it being illegal. However, there's a catch. Those in the relationship can not be more than 3 years older than their partner, so 14 can't date 18, 15 can't date 19, etc. Also, if one partner was a registered sex offender at the time the relationship started, it obviously would not be protected. If the relationship is not protected, the older partner can be charged with statutory rape.
Most people just stick to the age of majority of 18. (Age of majority is when a person legally becomes an adult, i.e. sexy selfies are no longer classified as CP, parents aren't required for legal decisions, etc.)
Age of consent in Canada is more flexible than that... and more restrictive. If you are 16, you can't have a relationship with a person over the age of 20, I think it is. Children under 16 can have sex, with children within 2 years of their own age. Furthermore, any relationship where one person is in a position of trust, power, or authority over the other _is_ illegal... so... Lots of restrictions, yet it attempts to strike a balance between permitting children to explore their sexuality while also protecting the children from abuse relationships, even if the child in question can't recognize that they are _in_ an abusive relationship.
@@whodis2614that makes sense tbh. I always thought age of consent being 16 just existed so no one would get in trouble for having a sexual relationship as long as both parties were between 16-18.
What Lilly did and does, is disgusting. I have no idea why she has even an inkling of a fanbase as it’s something she doesn’t deserve. Lilly writing these just makes the fact she has a fanbase even more alien to me.
Because she's very good at manipulating people, particularly vulnerable people, sadly.
@@EssenceOfThought yea, it’s true I just wish it wasn’t
I used to be a fan of hers because I simply did not realize all this stuff existed, and given that she closely curates all visible engagement with her work, it's really easy not to realize it until you start wandering outside her little bubble OR deeper into her community. If you exist on the periphery there's basically no indication, which is part of why it's so sinister :( (I am no longer a fan for obvious reasons.)
@@thecompleteanimorph no I actually too, but I was not in the right mental state so..-
For years I always felt uncomfortable when I watched her. Now I can properly articulate why. Listening to her genuinely makes you feel stupid and guilty for not agreeing with her if you have a differing opinion. I originally got into her stuff because she had some fresh takes on things I was interested in, only for my enthusiasm to be curbed when I became painfully aware that I was on the ever-growing suspiciously large list of people who should, in her paraphrased words: “be shot in the head and left in a ditch,” or whatever she said in that particular tantrum of hers.
Regardless of the Stockholm... thing... the fact that she went as far as misgendering you for disagreeing with her while calling you a terf is really ironic
The part where you said that Lily even wrote what their genitalia taste like was the moment I started feeling ill.
Yeah, sorry about that, but I felt like it was the best way to explain to people the way Lily wrote this stuff without actually showing it on screen, which I'm just not comfortable with for obvious reasons.
Thanks for warning me before I got too far into this. I'll wait until my second Essence of Thought video of the day before I eat anything.
Wtf
I haven't started the video yet so I'm confused and weirded out
Yeah, that's quite vile. Somehow was stupid enough to listen to this video and second time and I had to skip that part. One of these days I'm gonna figure out why I ever rewatch anything with such dark subject matter, I'm probably trying to memorize information or something.
I used to be a huge fan of Lily Orchard. She was a real influence on my writing, and during my highschool years when I was suffering from physical abuse, her "punch it in the face" mentality was something that gave me a lot of strength to stand up for myself and my little brother. I'm glad I was always too anxious to reach out to her in any meaningful way now (I was on G+ at the time, not twitter or tumblr) because I would have been prime material for grooming and harm. I'm heartbroken that someone I looked up to so much is just not going to be there for me anymore, but I hope I can be the sort of person I thought she was for other people who are struggling.
You already are. You worked your ass off to save not just yourself but your brother, too. What you have done for yourself and your sibling is nothing short of incredible, and I hope you remain proud of what YOU did. Lily might have inspired you but ultimately YOU are the one who made the change. I'm sorry life was so cruel to you, and I know that the impact that physical abuse probably had on both your physical and mental wellbeing will likely last a lifetime, but I hope the pain of it lessens over time. Don't give any credit to Lily though. Your own bravery made you a hero and you deserve to feel good about what you and you alone did. Mad respect. Be safe and take pride in yourself, internet stranger ✌
@@catboysephiroth560this comment exactly. i truly couldn’t have said it better myself.
to OP, i hope you know that YOU are the one to thank for what you’ve done. i genuinely cannot imagine being in that situation, and to handle it how you did and to push through it regardless is one of the most inspirational things imaginable. i hope you and your brother are doing better now- sending lots of love and support your way💜💜
@@catboysephiroth560 Thank you guys so much, this means a ton to me, and I'm so glad you took the time to comment!
You can be that person. 100%. TH-cam or any other social media can be a platform to help you spread your message. You just have to jump
Hey, I understand ya, sometimes the words given by disgusting people do take some deeper meaning upon those who they say it too (my adoptive parents and my reaction to their "quotes"). Its about the meaning you took and from this it seems like the right path. I'm super happy for you and hope your life is going well a year later lol
The age of consent is (insert age here).
Yeah, you’ll also notice that ‘consent,’ is in the description as well. Just because someone is recognized as of age by the law it doesn’t give you free reign to force yourself on them.
And as a child, they cannot consent at all to an adult!
Heck, even an 18 or 19 year old can still 100% be groomed by a fully grown adult, but nobody wants to talk about that. One day children are protected and the very next day (their 18th birthday) bam, they're not! Pretty disgusting
As a victim of sexual and physical abuse by a grown woman, I’m beyond disgusted and horrified.
Why do people think it’s acceptable to mock or think these topics, it’s disgusting and it’s a real thing! It’s horrible!
I was groomed and I hate admitting it. People who think that these types of topics are hot or whatever need to be locked up and shouldn’t have the ability to see another living human being again..
Passing well wishes to you. You are absolutely right, so many people use the "it's fiction, people write about war and death all the time, why not this" excuse as if discussing a certain theme and having it present in your story is the same as romanticizing it, especially considering that CSA is so much more delicate to write about since if you go into too much detail you may just be giving p+dos fuel to get off on.
I was also groomed, by multiple women. I’m always scared to admit it because of shit like this.
Im sorry
I'm a male survivor of physical and emotional abuse, and the abuser was a woman too.
I just learned about Lily Orchard, and all I have to say is that I feel deeply disgusted and disturbed by her. I hope she never gets close to a minor ever again.
The way she treated CSA and SA it's utterly horrible. I'm not saying you can't include this topic in your history, I'm saying that if you are going to add it, do it well, showing the agony of the victims, the distrust, the flashbacks... not the gratification of the perpetrators
I was the one who found the post of Lily bragging about pressuring NintendoGal into writing Stockholm and shared it with Opal who then shared it to twitter. So glad to see it aided in your investigation so that people can see the truth on a substantial scale. Kudos to you for putting so much effort into uncovering the tracks Lily has tried to cover for years now. I'm sure many are grateful for it and many who will be grateful to learn who she really is and then avoid her out of safety.
Funnily enough, on that one I saw an image being shared on the Lily Orchard Gossip Blog, no link of course, so I had to use the search features on the Wayback Machine, only for Brittany to tell me she'd had a copy of the link this entire time and I could have just asked. But thank you for sharing it initially, otherwise I wouldn't have known to even look for it.
Great job 👍
I saw this title and immediately thought “Isn’t she the person that did that long and vitriolic video on Steven Universe where she accused it of all sorts of awful shit and then alleged that the crewniverse were bad people for writing it?”
It’s always the people who point their fingers that got the most skeletons in their closet.
Most of the points in that video are wrong too, like a lot of things she says about SU having bad writing ignores that its overarching story isn't the main point but instead its a character based show, she also contradicts herself so so much in that video and she claims the crewniverse sexualised stevonnie but went ahead and made ... this
Never forget that she called Rebecca Sugar, a Jew, a *disease*.
@@I_love_dr_stoneIt's not even about Rebecca being Jewish that's awful, it's that Sugar is a writer and show director who spent much of their time fighting for their show to not get completely removed from the network, a person who made one of the first LGBT representative media on television. And that person is called a disease, which is just.. insanity.
this stockholm shit is so fucking chilling, as a survivor of child grooming i think what i find the most sickening about it is how like, the tactics employed by the predators in the story would have absolutely worked on me, i probably would have even defended them like the victims in the story did, it displays not only an understanding of the tactics employed by groomers, but also a keen awareness of how to use them most effectively
I've seen Lily label it as a "Sex Comedy/Black Comedy".
Is there anything remotely funny about it?
If you think that violating children is hilarious then yes, there is a lot of that.
Postal 2 did comedy much more better, and it’s actually funny.
@@Flinch9000 fr
i wonder if lily would be a humbert apologist if she ever read nabokovs "lolita"
Or if she met any child who'd been abused the way Humbert abused Delores Haze. Honestly I think she'd read Lolita and be like "Nah it's a romance. Dolores is a tsundere playing hard to get." She makes me so sick sometimes.
I wish I could go back in time and warn Nabokov about what would happen with Lolita
@@WolfBitesAndSleepyGraves That would be the creepiest thing to say
Lily has said that if you don't leave your abuser, on some level you enjoy being abused, hence you not leaving. She's said this about children as well as adults. So my guess is that she'd be cool with Humbert abusing Lolita, as Lo didn't leave the second she was hurt and therefore "enjoyed it", by Lily's logic.
@@morganqorishchi8181 If you remember, where/when did she say that? I would like to read/listen to it for myself if you have a link to it
i only knew of Lily Orchard because of her scathing Steven Universe review (which i hated/still hate) and i had no fucking clue this person had such deep running fandom connections and such skeletons in her closet.
I'm glad someone else hates that video because it's so so wrong, she misses the point of SU along with ignoring what the show is and critiquing it. Also she claims they sexualised stevonnie and she made this ... (there's a vid somewhere i saw recently of someone watching it and explaining how a lot of her points were just wrong)
I'm oddly enough in a similar boat of only recently finding out about her, but thats cause Joon the King mentioned making a video about her.
I really just wonder what goes on in her brain to think that this is ok, the shit is foul and honestly the fact Lily just doesnt learn says alot about her character
Oh, she has learned, specifically how to better hide the shit she does. But that's about it.
@@EssenceOfThought Eesh Hiding things isnt better, especially since whats on the internet is on the internet forever since people can easily find it, also, I just recently started getting into your content! Keep it up!
having a surface-level understanding of MLP and listening to this plot synopsis was a huge mistake 💀
I promise you the show is not like this 😭😭
Oh wow, as someone who was around for all of this but never read the fic, this is mindshattering. When I left her "fandom" it was common fucking knowledge that Lily wrote a fic with Nintendo gal called Stockholm that portrayed Rainbow Dash as a pedophile. But the story I heard was that it contained pedophilia as a subject matter and condemned it, that she had disavowed the fic due to it handling the subject matter poorly and deleted it. She said on MULTIPLE occasions "I wrote a fic where a pedophile was dragged out of a car and beaten" (it was clear from context that she was talking about Stockholm) as a way of proving that she was staunchly against pedophiles.
And I trusted her on that because "everyone has an edgy phase they'd rather forget about " and she had (to my knowledge at the time) been honest about being problematic in the past. I thought it must've been bad but I never thought it was anything like this.
Scars was also written WAY later. She was posting about it all the time as she wrote it. She was posting ALL OF THIS openly. And we fucking remembered it because she would yell at you if you ever asked her questions she had already given the answers for. She made her audience memorize everything about her. Why does she think she can just fucking lie all of a sudden?
I'm only half way through the video but I'm already speechless.
8:49 whats interesting is that in the actual show, specifically in one of its first episodes. The show give us a lesson completely contrary to this lesson from the fanfic, in the episode I talk about the character of rainbow dash introduces to her friends some other friend she has called Gilda, while Gilda is good with rainbow dash… with everyone else she is a complete asshole. When rainbow dash realizes this she puts her foot down and makes clear that she isn’t going to tolerate someone bullying her friends, even if comes from another friend, another friend who was shown to be nothing more than a bully. This is interesting because rainbow was never victim of Gilda bullying but instead her friends, but rainbow dash still made clear that she wasn’t going to tolerate such thing and ends her friendship with Gilda right there.
Meanwhile the lesson given in lily little fanfic is pretty much to enable bad behavior and to keep close to toxic people or else you would be a bad friend.
I'm so glad you made these videos. I was a Lily Orchard fan before getting bored of them. But I used to think she was a good voice for calling out pedophilia in the MLP fandom, but now I see this was just a smokescreen. I keep seeing this kind of shit from youtubers exposing child predators. A good chunk of them are just using it as cover 😔
It's a fairly common tactic child predators use, inserting themselves into children's spaces claiming to be a "protector". Reminds me of a local predator who ran security at a few of the local sci-fi and fantasy conventions. He put together a small group of "voluntary security staff" and claimed to be there to "protect children", surrounding himself with tween and early teen boys. He was alleged to have molested several of them; along with others in his inner circle.
@@EphemeralTao yep, it happens more often then not and the public takes the bait everytime. then get shocked to hear the truth....
@@agelessrebellion8271 The public is too busy tilting at windmills in bondage gear rather than genuine predators hiding behind squeaky clean facades.
@@EphemeralTao Never trust words, if someone is truly a good and smart person they wouldn't want anyone to trust others. Not even themselves.
@@decristal48 one quote from fallout that will never cease to be true- (paraphrasing, as I don't quite recall the exact words)
"I don't trust a man who doesn't have something strange about him. If a man has a tendency to speak backwards from time to time, or wears his pants on his head, you've got it all laid out for you. If he's friendly to strangers and keeps his home spick and span, then he's probably done something even his momma couldn't forgive."
watching this on intersex pride day not knowing anything about this fanfic and its really reminded me that people see us intersex people as either fetishes or monsters GODAM 💀💀great video ty for bringing more awareness to this horrible bastard
I’m not Intersex but I thought the exact same thing she’s disgusting for fetishising you guys like you’re the “peak fetish body” I hate how she sees Intersex people
Lily's sort of behaviour is unacceptable.
As a trans young person myself, I already gained hypersexuality when I was much younger. I'm disgusted that lily is doing all of this shit to vulnerable youth. There's no excuse for her behaviour and she needs to be called out for what she's done. Children online should be protected not shoved into sexual relationships.
I was 15 when I was SA'd by my own Stepfather, and this fanfic makes me heavily uncomfortable... I'm so glad you're calling out Lily Orchard for what they've done.
I’m sorry that happened 2 u
Setting aside the topic of Lily I hope you know that nothing that happened was your fault, that man is a monster, and you deserve healing, love and safety in your life. I'm so sorry this happened to you.
your stepfather is a fucking monster and i hope you’re doing better.
I've been away from my Stepfather since I was about 17 years old, he's been incarcerated for about 5 years now.
I've been in therapy and I've been working to get Disability for my Autism. I'm in a healthy relationship, and I've been working to get my life back together and living on my own with the help of my case worker. 💜
It's a shame, I used to think Lily was a good person because they got me out of some really harmful believes. What really made me snapp was the response she made on her channel. I was waiting for her to address the evidence against her and she just didn't.
You're not alone, she fooled a lot of people, myself included at one point.
@@EssenceOfThought while I need to think about this more in a lot of her content she does use quite violent language. This has occasionally been a breath of fresh air like with the tune critics situation but it feels threatening. I do you understand that tone policing is a thing and she's right to call that out but it often feels more threatening. This isn't an accusation at lily but more me thinking about her content.
It feels threatening because it is. Just like how her calling out pedos in the pony community was a smokescreen for all of her pedo behavior. When she talks about “tone policing,” what she’s really talking about is people calling her out for being hostile, abusive, demeaning, insulting, and just all around unpleasant. All of the above are not the same as expressing genuine outrage and should not be held in the same regard.
Bad people like Lily can have a point here and there. That's what makes them so dangerous
@@10Tabris01a broken clock is right at least twice a day no matter what.
Watched another hour-long deep-dive on this absolute trash fire serious a few days ago and holy shit it was so much worse than I thought. Thank you for continuing to shine the light on her awful behaviour
Thanks for sticking with me on this, it's kinda depressing how deep this all goes.
this reminds me of that post "hello kitty doesnt like xanax or blood or knives or other horrible stuff you post her with she likes apple pie, baking cookies, and hanging out with her friends !" like what does rainbowdash got to do with ur sicko disgusting fantasy
Rainbow dash likes sports and hanging out with her friends not any of this stuff :(
personally i feel like lily orchard was just trying to channel her deplorable fetishes into rainbow dash as a self-insert of some kind
At least the Hello Kitty stuff is ironic. It's a reflection of the edgy teenagers who also like Hello Kitty. This Stockholm shit is genuinely deplorable.
the way you tracked the ownership of the fanfic was more thorough than tracking on the blockchain
GENUINELY good effort
I did not know that Lily Orchard and Lily Peet were the same person. That gives new context to a lot of the weird stuff that happened on DeviantART that still impacts current conflicts in the art commentary community.
Hold up, what happened with her dA? I never knew about any of that. Then again, most of what I knew about Lily up until this point was that she wrote Stockholm and made awful takes about Steven Universe on youtube.
Context?
damn, up until today i only knew her as "that loud brony who made a way-too-long viral video about how she thinks steven universe is bad cus there's no killing and was generally just kind of mean" but all this is just too much... this person is an actual danger
Ikr :(
I had to replay that clip of her going "Can't to do Stockholm, I wrote that one" repeatedly just from the sheer irony of it. And you can't imagine my joy when you also replayed it multiple times in the video.
this is hardly related to the video, but props to you for not saying Lily's deadname. a lot of creators who have criticized her have openly mentioned her deadname for no genuine reason, and it's refreshing to see someone who won't do that.
I can't get over Lily's way of acting like her shit doesn't stink when she has THIS MUCH of her shit in plain sight. It reeks and it keeps piling up. The fact that she has the gall to act morally superior to writers for their enjoyment of writing tropes she dislikes (enemies to lovers or redemption arcs) or hating their characters (Steven Universe, She-Ra, and Owl House) all the while she fetishizes minors, continues to do so, and has no qualms with being far worse than the people she hates on.
I read Stockholm when I was 15.
It makes me sick to my stomach that I didn't understand about the cruel nature of this and actually liked it. Jesus..
Many of us had read some at least questionable fanfics in our teenage years. At such an age, you don't usually know any better, unless someone directly points out why it is so wrong. Especially if your parents were not really open about the topic that pedophillia has other forms than straightforward kidnapping.
You were 15. It's no shame you didn't realize how bad it was as a teenager. Teenagers don't realize the full horror of that kind of situation ... which is exactly why it's bad for adults IRL to groom teenagers. They don't know better, and that's the point.
You were only a child. You didn't know better. It wasn't your fault.
It’s not something you have to feel disgusted with yourself for. You were literally age appropriate for the characters in the story, and a lot of teens are primed to see relationships between characters their age and older people as “cool” “mature” or just a fictional way to explore their own sexuality (which is a minefield but in some cases can be okay).
Oh god same but I was 14, only a few months away from turning 15. In hindsight reading it was def a form of self harm out of morbid curiosity
I really hope her fans see that and leave her community for their safety because this is something else.
It makes me sad that because our society punishes all queer people for the worst among us that I feel uncomfortable with this because all of us but especially trans people are going to be collectively punished because of the bad behavior of some queer people because queer people are people and some of us are going to be bad.
I think this might explain why Lily conveniently ignores the fact that Lapis tried to fly away from Jasper before Jasper grabs her and holds her down in the scene when they fused
Tbh I only agreed with half of her points there. Like how the story is made to make u see lapis as a victim who did no wrong. But forgets it set up a base for 1 lapis to be an abuser 2 jaspers to be an abuser 3 for both of them to be victims. While her labeling lapis as an evil heartless abuser was a bit unfair. But I did notice this is how the fandom views jasper. When the roles r switched ppl quickly realize how unfair that is to think. Which I wish ppl could do the same for jasper. Just hold them BOTH accountable. Jasper tried to manipulate lapis to fuse to defeat the Chrystal gems. Lapis pretends to give in then traps jasper in a fusion for 2 months giving them both Stockholm syndrome. The show sets the plot for both to be abusers and victims. Tbh lapis doe play the bigger role in the abuse regarding the relationship itself since the manipulation stuff from jasper is prior to actually fusing. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t wrong. Abuse is abuse. Tho it isn’t the fandoms fault for seeing lapis as a poor helpless victim because the show portrays it that way too. Lapis never faces consequences for it and even Steven himself sweeps it under the rug never bringing it up. No one does. Even in SU future in lapis’s sing she says “that mirror was a prison, and fusion was the same” but it was lapis who made the fusion a prison in the first place? Yes I understand a lot of the times the abused end up abusing other ppl but when u somehow make lapis the victim in a situation where she clearly abused someone it’s just, I don’t even know what to call it. Lazy writing? Favoritism? WHO KNOWS.. lapis says it herself she was wrong to jasper and their relationship was terrible. But then that’s the end. In earthling jasper’s says “why does no one I fuse with ever want to stay?” Showing she doesn’t understand lapis’s decision was better for both of them. It’s sad. But that’s the end of it because they decide to just corrupt her instead of giving her an arc. They try to rush one in future shown in so ep1 buts it’s ruined because she’s later used as a scapegoat for Steven do kill someone. Steven murdered someone . OH but it’s ok cus it’s jasper. After shattering her and leaving her with more trauma Steven gives up on her basically and continues his life. Throughout the story the Chrystal gems never do anything to change her mind abt them so no wonder jasper stays a villian. Lily does address something abc lapis I never noticed. Her bad writing. She is abused then becomes an abuser which is handled poorly. She has an arc(kinda) abt recovering from her abuse but never being an abuser. The way lapis unintentionally hurts peridot because peridot feels a need to make her happy constantly due to what lapis’s been through. Scared to tell her no. The only consequences lapis gets is, Nothing. Peridot doesn’t even say anything abt it when lapis is back. The skip to future doesn’t help as well. The lapidot duo is never faced with a situation like that which tells us whether or not they have worked on that part of their relationship. ….so basically I’m agreeing with u. Kinda. I just don’t like how hypocritical the fandom can be when it comes to their relationship.
Sorry for ranting😅
Lily is basically just using Rainbow Dash as a mask to hide herself and her true feelings. People usually do this in "fanfics" like these, where they use characters as a scapegoat so *you hate the character themselves, and not the person who is actually like this, writing their ideologies and then slapping a fictional character onto them.* This is completely intentional on their part, I’m glad people aren’t falling for it and just calling Lily out themselves. (Let it be known that this is also a tactic so that when people see that character, they may associate it with them. Don’t fall for this trap and don’t associate the character with the story, as the creator wants attention for their beliefs and will use any innocent or upstanding character to do so.)
And also add to the fact that Rainbow Dash would NEVER do anything in that “story”.
I’ve never even watched the show, but I’ve known Dash’s character/attributes enough to know that that’s not what they would do at all.
(And the fact they had the nerve, the audacity, the non-existent BALLS to use one of my many personal favorite characters and use thin in that sense. Hell no!
I’m so glad I never read Stockholm. I was a fan of her’s for maybe a year or two around the time the grimdark video came out, back when I was a young teen. I thought huh, she wrote a fanfic. I decided not to read it because I assumed it would be about a character with Stockholm syndrome and I didn’t wanna read about that. I’m so glad I did, I dodged a bullet there. People don’t seem to realize how much content like this traumatized minors like me back during the days of MLP Gen 4. I ended up reading a different one shot fic where the cmc were raped by I think Applejack’s older brother? They weren’t aged up and I think it involved gore too. Maybe murder, but idk. (looking it up, the fanfic was called the sweet Apple massacre)
Idk, that messed me up. I wouldn’t stop thinking about how terrifying it was, how there were adults who would want to do that to kids like me. It, along with many other things I’d encountered, made me feel inherently unsafe in this world. Terrified that every adult could turn on me, that I couldn’t trust anyone to not hurt me, especially in a sexual way.
Even if the kids who read Stockholm weren’t pulled in by Lily, there was likely irreparable harm done to them similar to me, and I for one hope her name becomes synonymous with Stockholm so everybody knows what she did (and probably continues to do honestly).
what is cmc?
Cutie Mark Crusaders, what the three child characters discussed in this video call themselves in the show.
My god sweet Apple massacre… that brings back some memories. I also read it when I was a tween and in the midst of my CSA and it genuinely made me so nauseous I just had to sit and stare at a wall and try not to vomit. In hindsight I think it was part of a wave of edgy purposefully horrible grimdark fics people wrote in the mlp fandom as a sort of edgelord “joke”, and the person who wrote it, unlike lily, might not be an actual predator. It’s so over the top horrible that it doesn’t feel sincere, maybe that’s just me being older and jaded idk
it pisses me off beyond belief when people say that fanfictions like these don't affect anyone because they do, these people have absolutely no idea how weaponized these fanfictions are. or maybe they do and they're just genuinely cruel people. couldn't tell ya
@@DireShire this is why i use ao3 and ALWAYS read the tags.. i've dodged some truly nasty bullets bc the moment i see any tag that something gory or sexual i just dip lmfao
Lily: I don’t support pedo
Also lily: I’ll make the CMC be sexual if anyone ask I’m getting a cupcake
If I could put in my two cents for a moment, when I look through her Tumblr, there's sometimes anonymous people who engaged in sexual role playing with her in her ask box. It always made me awkward that people would do something like that so openly on a public forum. That, and due to personal experiences of being groomed in a slightly similar fashion by other people during my high school years (2008-2010).
The more I hear about what Lily has done and what she has excused/denied, the more I wonder why people still follow her.
Sadly Lily is very good at controlling people, particularly vulnerable people.
After skimming through Stockholm for the comfirmation of every accusation made, and seeing that all of them are true. I feel like that you and a couple others failed to mention some hateful and flat out dangerous undertones of how Lily views things such as Intersex 0eople, sexual depravity, and the study of Stockholm symdrome and PTSD.
As someone who has PTSD and in extent, stockholm. I felt that what she summarized in this novel series is- repulsive to say the least as to how ptsd looks. Especially from trauma survivors of r*pe and painting Anstesia as this gullible individual. Even after she was almost murdered by twilight and twi was institutionalized for it. Which- didnt even do much.
Also, acceptance and caring for people like she does with dash makes. Absolutely no sense. Like she encouraged her that its alright, and than for some reason, hated her and than accepted her as a lover? After m*lesting children? Seriously?
"To be clear, I’m not going to cover the entire thing, >> nor is this our detailed literary analysis of said piece;
it’s very hard to tend to the ugly side of our own communities in a world where optics are everything, and outsiders view incidents like this as “trans women harm everyone bc they’re trans women” rather than *neutrally observe it as “a human being harmed one of their own.”*
it’s an even bigger slap to the face considering that *lgbt kids are sexually victimized at a crazy high rate compared to cishet kids.* obviously we ARE capable of equal help and harm as anyone else, but when a queer person harms another *it’s weighted unequally and punished heavier* by the cishet majority-heavier *than when the cishets deal with a harmful individual amongst themselves.*
i don’t have a solid opinion for OR against LGBT+ separatism. but *this terrible social dynamic between 1) queers doing community repair & 2) cishets using ANY “imperfect” queer to beat down the rest of us…* makes me wonder if that might be a necessary move for queer communities to rehabilitate ourselves.
It's stories like this that demonstrate that no set of fandom opinions can keep you safe from abusers and predators. Abusers will go wherever they can prey on people, and that gets easier to do when they can create an extreme us-versus-them mentality where everyone else is a monster/out to get you. Because if everyone else is your enemy, you'll cling to them, and when they prey on you you'll have no one left to turn to.
Literal cult recruitment.
The fact she also genuinely assaulted her sister then wrote this 😞
yeah and lily's channel has a lot of content abt incest etc, it makes me so upset
how the HELL does lily still has a platform
i don't know whether it's impressive or sad that lily still has a fanbase despite how big of a deal this all is.
yeah im surprised im seeing no comments mention this in her recent videos
Having read the original (it is actually worse than the video is able to describe, like, it really feels like apologia for predators of all colors. As an example, anti-pedophiles (normal people?) Are villainized to such a degree that when confronting rainbow dash they try to murder scootaloo), I find it difficult to imagine anyone taking it seriously. It's so poorly written that you spend most of the fanfiction laughing at the absurdity of everything. Just the dialogue in the first chapter is enough to get most people laughing. It is through and through a massive crackfic, and it feels like it's own attempts to justify itself ultimately are the most disturbing parts of it, more than any of the non meta actual story.
And when it comes down to it the actual industry is so infested with CSA apologia and predator centric narratives that something on a *fanfiction* is never going to be seen as important
@@lallide her comment section is hyper-moderated. Any critical statement is deleted
It's so bizarre to me that Lily continues to pretend she never wrote this. Telling the truth would be much less effort, and people would probably respect her a lot more, but instead she chooses to run this whole disinformation campaign because... why? Because it'd be harder to get victims of child sexual abuse and domestic violence to trust her if they knew she'd written a story that glorified those things? Because it's an accusation her critics have frequently made, so by pretending it's not true she can convince her audience to dismiss anything else they say as inaccurate? Because it's on Kiwifarms, so by pretending this information doesn't exist anywhere else she can label anyone who brings it up a transphobe who secretly browses hate sites? I simply don't get it at all.
I kinda knew lily was a massive hypocrite because of her sylvanas fanfiction recommendations being the exact kind of trash she criticized blizzard for but dame this is so much worse.
its so fucking funny that she says the disturbing things in stockholm where added by trolls but indirectly referred to it as disturbing in that halloween video
The entire fic is disturbing lol
Thank you for spreading awareness of this. She may try to shrug off responsibility by taking the role of the victim, and decry people holding her accountable for her actions as deplorable bigots- but at the end of the day the facts and truth are there.
She cannot hide from what she has done, no matter how hard she tries.
For anyone doubting this video- the evidence is there on the internet to this day. All it takes is some investigation.
I do hope that under this growing spotlight of shame it becomes more difficult for her to groom the minors in her audience, and that people begin to see through her lies.
Again, thank you.
As someone who is a survivor of grooming and CSA, I appreciate what you and other channels are doing to bring down the hammer on sicko's like her.
To add,
I am a trans masculine father, her allegations against you by calling you a terf is absolutely head spinning. My wife who is transfem is enraged on your behalf, as Lily not only is a groomer but actively misgenders other trans people as well! All while pretending to be a pillar of the community.
You are out here protecting children- especially trans youth who are simply looking for a place to belong- by spreading the word of her actions that can harm them.
If anything you are not only protecting all kids by speaking out, but also the trans kids who view her content in search of community and guidance from us trans adults who are SUPPOSED TO PROTECT, ACCEPT AND GUIDE THEM.
So again, thank you. I will keep an eye out and spread awareness of what she has done as much as I can.
@@ArcherOfEden a transmasc with a transfem wife! so interesting to me (as someone from somewhere not too friendly to the queer community), im happy to hear youre doing your part in guiding children away from trans figures like lily and towards more positive trans figures :)
I am totally blown away by your commitment to not only searching for every scrap of evidence available to make sure that you're putting out a solid case, but also showing us as the viewers how you found the information you're showing so we can fact check it for ourselves. Please keep up the fantastic work, thank you for shining a /blinding/ light on this predator.
I remember how I got drawn into Lily’s content. I wasn't a viewer for long, but after watching one video, I was hooked by one thing. Her rage
This came from her Star Wars videos mainly, where many of the opinions she expressed were against the toxic bigoted side of said community. Opinions I shared. The rage I shared. One had not found anywhere else and it felt good seeing someone who felt the same as me. Someone telling me my feelings was valid
But after hearing everything you’ve said in this video, I know that rage is the only thing we share
Morally, we are nothing the same and I'm glad I found this out sooner rather than later. Thank you
Before I found out how horrible she was, like described in the above video, she honestly pissed me off by writing off any white male character as useless angst fodder, cause while it is totally valid to make complaints of existing white favoritism and sexism, taking the spotlight and overused tropes, etc. with Lily it felt like she just hated the characters cause they are angsty white males, without looking into whether the character's story is actually badly written or the character is given undeserved sympathy or woobified or whatever. kind like, just cause a character is overrated and the fanbase may suffer from some favoritism, doesn't mean the character themself is necessarily bad.
I know it's something little, but thank you for putting closed captions on your video and putting the script in the description. I'm not hard of hearing but it's really hard for me to process words sometimes. Again I know it's smthn small but so many youtubers either don't do it or have auto generated captions (which rarely work correctly) so it means a lot.
I wanted to say that your avatar is really pretty and very well made. I don't know if you drew it yourself but if that's the case, you are really skilled! It made the experience of watching the video a bit less stressing. So thank you
There's a credit for the art in the description
Isn’t Lily the person who accused Rebecca Sugar of being a fascist? Like a whole takedown video of Steven Universe? Jesus, I just thought she had a real bad take on a kids show. Wtaf. Wtaf.
Lilly was Bhaalspawn? The yazhtee ripoff that was an lil miss rarity apologist? Am i understanding this correctly?
The very same, and it's interesting that you should mention Lil Miss Rarity on account of one of those non-photographic depictions of child sexual abuse I was talking about throughout the video. Can't say more, though.
Lily: If you like any of this stuff and write this stuff, you're a bad person
Also Lily: *Proceeds to write all of these topics*
I’ve always loved how her argument recently that she didn’t make it is literally just. “I didn’t make it lol”. With no evidence. So scummy to write something like this and then hide it dump all the blame on your co Writer and try to become a martyr against Child abuse.
She's part of the problem she crusades. Sexualizing a children's show and even if you don't intend for minors to see it, they'll find it, because the source is from a show MADE FOR THEM. Though considering her other actions I wouldn't doubt that she did want minors reading it.
It's her shield and her lure; she's putting on the act to lure minors to her by pretending to be safe and it deflects criticism because she can point to the fact that she's openly anti-grooming (while hiding the fact that she's not, behind the curtains)
Predators like to pretend to be something good and safe. Even in nature and for an example:
A snapping turtle's tongue; it looks like a worm, but as soon at the fish gets close, it bites
I believe Ethel talks about being the victim of this kind of predator in a video, but I don't remember which one...
People like this are what lead to children being sa’d or sa-ing others. They believe it’s normal and become desensitized
I feel like if she had the fic end with Celestial staring at the letter from Twilight and being not only disturbed by the events of the fic but also disturbed by what Twilight had concluded from it all and starting to wonder if she made a mistake by taking Twilight on as her student and making her a princess in the first place. even better if it absolutely has to end with a piece of writing have it be Celestia sending a reply or even revoking Twilight's status as a princess would be a neat ending bc Twilight's letters are, like you said, a summary of the moral.
Man I've heard, about all kinds of infamous fucked up fanfiction that's out there. This one is the worst. The only thing worse, is the person who wrote it.
I'd be fine with her writing about abuse if she didn't do it just because it gets her off. 🤢
Accidentally watched a Lily Orchard video in entirety (I haven't watched one since her SU vid) and she's still so... specific. In the sense that the majority of her video was petty digs at the creator of the game, players, and, of course, an entirely unnecessary dig at the queer community as a whole. It made me feel incredibly strange to see a fellow trans person decry other trans creators as terminally online and making up people to be mad at. The various ad hominim attacks she makes toward the creator of the game and those who enjoyed it also muddied the valid criticisms she was trying to make.
Her Steven Universe video did immediately spawn critical thinking in my teen brain, though, by the fact that the points she were trying to make... sucked and didn't make sense.
I genuinely hope she grows as a person and creator
It's really frustrating that this is one of the main people responsible for the public opinion around Steven Universe. I feel like there will never be another good take on that show, the discourse has been too poisoned.
It wouldn’t matter if the purpose of the story was to show the horrors of child predation or not; if it involves in-depth sexual scenes with a minor, than it’s morally reprehensible.
EDIT:CONGRATS ON GETTING THIS VID TO 179K VIEWS AS OF THIS EDIT!IM GLAD THIS IS GETTING TO MORE PEOPLE!!Thank you for what you do
I really thought that it was all transphobia against lily and I thought it best to avoid that for my own sake
Thank you for this video
A lot of toxic people use claims of transphobia or other forms of bigotry to deflect criticism levied against them. It's unfortunately way more common than you'd think, and often makes having reasonable discourse about the person extremely difficult
@@TalenkauenTVTrue, but it's undeniable how true transphobes use cases like this as a reason to discriminate against trans people.
@@TalenkauenTV As a trans person, I agree. The topic of calling out trans people for behavior like this is extremely complicated, but it’s origins lie in bigotry. People have been throwing completely baseless accusations against all trans people as a way to demonize us as a collective for years (a common one you may know is the “all trans people are pedophiles!” claim). As a result, accusations towards individual trans people cause the trans community to get extremely defensive. This defensiveness formed as a way for the community to protect itself against bigotry, however it can also be harmful, and I believe it’s what created the “if you call out a trans person, you’re transphobic!” crowd of people your comment describes. Some trans people absolutely are dangerous and need to be spoken about, but how to go about it is often where discourse occurs. Unless you clarify over 100 times that not every trans person behaves the same way, some bigoted moron will try to use the 1 bad trans person to demonize the collective. It’s sad because it creates a dangerous environment on both sides. People are either going to attack you because they feel you attacked first, or manipulate what you said to appeal to their agenda, which both encourage people to stay silent to avoid the discourse. If we can’t talk about problems, we can’t solve them.
I was lowkey expecting this video lmao-- Can't wait to hear your thoughts on this abomination of a fanfic.
Hopefully they're insightful.
Oh wow, I didn't know Lily did any of this. I thought that she only had bad opinions, but I'm glad I got informed about the disgusting things she refuses to address or own up to. Thinking about what she wrote in Stockholm and especially how she treats it makes me sick to my stomach and I hope more people can be aware of this.
I haven't heard about this person at all since she made that anti-steven universe video years ago, and it's... weirdly gratifying to learn that someone who came off as so puritanically critical of creators who were genuinely trying their best is actually a billion times shittier in real life than she accused them of being. It seems like people who find the most fault in others are generally the most at fault themselves, just as a general principle.
"I've never heard of stockholm but this cant be that bad"
"okay its that bad"
As a CSA victim, I can't even put into words how disgusted this makes me.
Thank you so much for going out of your way to expose this predator, most people would've just ignored it and walked away because it's too uncomfortable.
I think it’s insane that you can get branded a transphobic by her fan base despite knowing what she’s done.
is lily orchard the one who made that video on how steven universe was racist and other controversial stuff??
YEAH!
You hate Lily because she criticized X show unfairly
I hate Lily because she is a proven predator and a manipulator
We are not the same
right i get very sick of people ripping lily apart for her bad media takes when there is far FAR more important things to be addressing such as her being a predator and abuser, both of which are very well documented.
I hate her for both things
She can be hated for all of the above. Especially when the two intersect. A lot of the points she uses to criticize other media are usually things that apply to herself.
I hate the fact that this of all fanfiction’s is the only intersex rep I’ve ever seen in media, and it’s in the most fetishized way ever (I’m not even intersex, but it’s appallingly obvious)
wow , how the fuck did she rant about steven universe when this exist
Didn't she also start the whole "Rebecca sugar is a nxzi sympathiser" rumor, despite them being Jewish (😭😭😭) that was so fucked up !!!!
@@meow.4972 and when she was rightfully called out for how god damn disgusting that was she just doubled down and justified those comments.
as someone thats been groomed im actually disgusted by lily
Before I watched this video, I went to read the fic and stop when it got problematic. I was like “this doesn’t seem this bad” at first, but then it mentioned pumpkin cake and pound cake being together and I stopped 💀
We all doom
I actually used to be a fan of Lily. I stoped watching her after I found the "fan art" video. Where she basically was making excuses not to credit the artists of the fan art in her videos. Glad I made the right call
Good instincts. I didn't even know the MLP fandom rabbit hole was this deep, and I'm still trying to process that someone would write a messed up fic in a fandom explicitly aimed at children and teenagers. Gives me the heebie-jeebies.
The more I hear about Lily the more she sounds like the exact person that right wingers fear-monger over. Except Lily is real
Finally someone addresses how vile lily truly is. She’s given me awful vibes since the beginning. I remember watching their Steven Universe critique video and not being able to sit through it due to the venom and pure aggression the video was full of, I agreed with some of her points in the video and liked and heavily agreed with some of her criticisms on the show itself. but couldn’t stomach the constant yelling and poison I felt like it injected into my mentality and the nauseating gut intuition feeling that something wasn’t right about her, I’ve watched all your videos on the subject and finally understand why I felt so sick to my stomach just hearing her name. Now that I know how much of a toxic predator she is I will be warning anyone I know and steering clear of her and her fanbase.
The key to remember about predatory behavior is that it mirrors the predatory behavior of creatures found in animal kingdom. From feigning vulnerability and injury to lure in prey, to targeting people biased on power dynamics, to tricking others by using their own habits and instincts against them. Lily has shown gross behavior from the start, but the whole thing with Ink rose and Josh, as well as the behavior with her fans and cocreators would take it from creepy to disgusting.
Stockholm the thing that makes you want to read Metamorphosis to feel clean
Metamorphosis makes me feel sad.
Stockholm makes me puke.
I am horrified beyond words.
That is all.
@@birbcat1264 I know, right?! Like, it started off bad and shot off to horrible faster than the SLS rocket. I just... oh god, it's just horrific on so many different levels.
I watched this video after christmas -
And I am back to cope with the fanfic in the comments because youtube wants me to suffer by recommending me this very same thumbnail
and with that being said- AAAAAAHHH
I keep wondering what the city of Stockholm has ever done to deserve this.
In a more serious note, I knew beforehand that Lily was a person to stay away from, but holy hell, this is utterly messed up. I hope people quickly manage to divest themselves from her, for their own safety's sake