Steven Universe is Garbage and Here's Why
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0:00 Introduction
1:30 Scheduling and Pacing
18:29 Character Design
41:13 Subpar Animation
48:15 Poor LGBT Rep
1:01:40 Racism
1:13:59 Bad Twists, Bad Characters
1:38:50 Tone-Deaf Themes and Disturbing Priorities
1:52:17 Poor Management
2:01:14 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Fun fact: my dad actually did forbid from watching this! But not because of the facism, thankfully he didn't see that. He saw Steven and Pearl crying so much he thought I'd get depressed.
my mom made me stop watching it too but for a different reason lol. I still watched it sometimes though!
I stopped watching it because I got bored and Steven was annoying to listen to
W father
@dracocrusher Hey moron? I don't call the Diamonds Nazis because of what they do to other planets. I call them Nazis because of what they do to THEIR OWN PEOPLE. I have done this ever since we saw the special "Shatter the disabled gems" robots after The Trial. The off colors are literally what fascist governments consider "undesirables."
The first people the Nazis murdered were the disabled. Please read a book for once in your fucking life.
*"Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave"*
Wasn't the first same sex marriage in a cartoon done by Arthur on PBS
I just watched someone shit all over one of my favorite TV shows.............and i actully enjoyed it
🤣 same
Me too
I’m in the same boat as you lol
Same
"Honey, it's 4pm, time to rewatch Steven Universe is Garbage and Here's Why"
"Yes dear"
yeah for some reason i keep on watching this video
Help me i am addicted
Relatable
God. I keep returning every year
ive watched this 9 times in a row in a entire day lol
"Please, the fighting has to stop. We're aren't enemies, we're family". No matter how many times I hear it I still cringe.
Fr it’s so edgy
Btw correct me on the word edgy if are in the kaykaykay
@@ApeOW say what you want about that voice line, but that's literally the exact opposite of edge lol
@@ApeOW Jason how stupid are you? I’m not trying to be rude here but HOW?!? Literally the opposite.
who cares
@@hughbert976 um me
"I look forward to the day a good show does this and we can all collectively forget about you"
*Mr ratburn's gay wedding has joined your chat*
Yeah Rebecca Sugar said she only made Mindful Education because she wanted to make an episode about meditaiton, not for.. Character development. She literally said she proposed an episode to just be that one scene with Garnet but her writers said she'd actually have to wrap a story around it and Connie having crazy reactions and muscle memory was what she came up with.
She should have hired a writer
this video: *exists*
me: *_mo vie t ime_*
You know, one thing you said kind of ticked me: The thing about the model sheets. The crewniverse used to upload most of them in their blog, and there's one thing I've noticed about a lot of them: They contain the _exact frames_ that the wiki made renders out of before the model sheets were released. It's almost like....... They made the model sheets after they released the episodes........ And just took the images from the wiki and plastered them in the model sheets........
Are you serious?
_Hmmmmm_
@@eurilake9197 I do, I just made this comment 4 years ago cuz I had a dumb 'lil thought.
I had always seen the slave to master love in rose and pearls relationship but I hadn’t realised how bleak that was until you pointed it out, thank you. (Seriously)
the way lapis's facial expressions are animated after Malachite really reminded me of my abuser and im so glad someone finally brought up how much of an awful person she is
Man I hate it when someone criticizing something helps me develop as a person more than the actual thing they're criticizing ever did. That's really freaking sad. It's like your channel's an episodic narrative of why some shows were great and some were terrible, but it works.
How the hell do you have 13 thousand likes and no replys?
@@BigMan-ce5yk You can't reply to perfection
Makes sense if you think about it. If a show is morally bankrupt like talking it out with obviously terrible people who can kill you (and the only reason why they dont is because you reveal yourself to be their sister otherwise this wouldve failed), then of course someone criticising it is going to end up teaching you something better.
The whole cluster thing confused me a bit. During a filler episode around that era, Peridot BRINGS UP the way no one's working on the cluster.....so.....they KNOW that they're putting in filler episodes......so why are they DOING it?
This video is 2 years old by now, but this is my first time watching it. The clickbait title deterred me for a long, long time. The Sarah Z video brought this up and I decided I finally had to watch this for myself. I'm very passionate about this show, but legitimately hate how the show handles almost every story arc and every attempt at character development. I agree with everything in this video, and it's very clear that you know your shit, not only about the show but about the animation industry in general. I think Sarah Z might not have actually seen Steven Universe, and only criticized your video to prove a point that was unrelated. This video is an excellent critique and you voiced all of the opinions I've had about this show in a really thought-provoking way. You also brought attention to so many important issues that still haven't been addressed by Sugar or the crew. That's all, just wanted to say this is a good video. Thank you for making it.
Sarah Z's been caught lying about people MANY times.
I make your words mine.
Love the show too, watched when I was a kid so it got a very special place in my heart but *GOD DAMN* this show is flawed
Holly shit!
Urk
Oh shit, I didn't even think about the racial implications of sugalite and pearl's fight....I gotta pay more attention
You murdered it a hour in and the rest was an incredible nasty and cutting euolgy. I loved it.
Epic gamer moment she enabled replies
@@whatthecatdoin4237 cry 🤡🤡🤡🤡
The show spends too much time with random fucking side characters because it’s so obsessed with being weird and quirky in its story structure like Adventure Time, which is impossible to do when the characters in Steven Universe never get developed and the show is literally unable to separate itself from Steven for one fucking second. If a character doesn’t work in Adventure Time, they’re dropped and never have to show up again. Despite Steven Universe being Almost as long as Adventure Time already, the way it spends its time is absolutely baffling, because like Adventure Time, they just HAVE to have 80% of the episodes be filler and pepper in some songs. However, Adventure Time filler episodes aren’t fucking glued to Finn and Jake so they actually have the chance to develop the secondary characters in interesting and meaningful ways.
Honestly I hated rose since the first flashback episode due to the song with lines like "I never planned on finding you quite this enteraining" and "I like the way humanbeings play, I like playing along." It shows she doesn't give a shit about humans or anything for that matter. It shows that rose only sees everything as entertainment and if she's bored she will move onto something else. It's sad cause that explains why she "cared" about earth. It's because the diamonds were taking away something that could keep rose from being bored. So rose threw a fucking fit. It also shows why she made pearl love her even though at first pearl saw it as wrong ,but then went to greg. Rose doesn't give a shit about anyone ,but herself and this pisses me the fuck off that sugar is trying to show her as part of the people who are suppose to be right. God fuck sugar.
Yeah the show doesn't exactly say "rose was great" it tells alot of roses flaws and stuff
This is it. The final SU video that rips apart the entire show. Nothing can top this, unless Sugar somehow writes this 9 times worse.
i hope theres another one that takes this show to the scrap yard!
This comment did not age well...
Yea I accidentally clicked on a panel video where Sugar was doing a interview with some of the voice acters and she made a offhanded comment about how Pearl's motherly personality wasn't even a thing until she got to know her voice actress.
That's not how voice casting usually works. You're supposed to know the personality first and then cast the voice to fit it. Visual parts of a character sometimes change after voice casting but personality or main key factors of the core of that character should be set in stone beforehand.
After hearing that straight from her mouth unprovoked in her own words just casually in front in lots of people made me certain that she literally has no clue how to write a story. It makes me sad I had high hopes for the show. But yea. I heard about it part way season 2 and I had no idea the hiatuses started that early. What a mess. That's a lot of fatigue people built up trying to stick with the show. I also wasn't happy about the diamonds' rushed redemption I really wish they didn't do that.
JoiIsakYT
Her incompetence is endlessly frustrating.
Well here we go. I didn’t need those 2 hours of my life anyways. Take them Lily. Take them.
TAKE MY HOURS, MOMMY !!!
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I went back to watch the video by cartoon network showing the clues that rose quartz was pink diamond and SO MANY OF THEM WHERE LITERALLY JUST RANDOM SCENES WITH ROSE IN THEM FSDFGSDF SDFSDF
This god put one ad on a 2hr video
Thanks, as an aspiring author I can see a lot of pitfalls in bad writing.
God bless you for making this 2 hour film ... I mean video.
I've honestly been holding back on watching this because I was afraid I was gonna get pissy or something, but you know what? I can see where you're coming from and honestly I'm having trouble looking at the show the same. I completely agree with the whole Diamond redemption nonsense because that was just horrible writing, they could have pulled it off in so many better ways and also- yknow- not fucking rush it in the worst written way possible- Ah- where was I going with this? Who knows, but I can totally get behind this video, good work
The last thing I want to see before dying is the like to dislike ratio on this video
Your wish has been granted
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1:01:34
Well, Mr. Ratburn from Arthur has had a gay wedding, and Arthur is an objectively better show than Steven Universe. Can we all collectively forget about SU now?
19:12 - Steven: The mouthpiece
21:11 - Pearl: The yikes
22:40 - Amethyst: The sulk
25:06 - Garnet: The euphemism
26:54 - Peridot: The great and lovable
31:24 - Lapis Lazuli: the sociopath
35:07 - Jasper: Step on me
36:28 - Yellow Diamond: The empire's wrath
38:31 - Blue Diamond: The economic anxiety
39:12 - White Diamond: Your mom
Thanks
Even Aang, the most pacifist character in animation, understood that Ozai shouldn’t be forgiven. He found a way to punish him that didn’t involve killing him. Ozai, who leads a fascist empire with a body count in the millions, who has waged a war for a literal century, and has wiped out everything that Aang had ever known, did not deserve to be redeemed. But it was impossible to kill him for Aang.
I never realized how much time I practically wasted on this show. Oh, and how many hiatus' they went on, holy shit; and I never put the connection of the Human Zoo (and while I'm sure Sugar's intentions weren't racist, once you learn about the Human Zoos, you give everything the side eye). I think after watching this video, which nonetheless was an eye-opener to the BS that is this show (my opinion), I don't wanna watch the rest.
Remember when Andy was really pissed about the gems being "illegal aliens" and how he was upset that Greg "couldn't even marry an American?" and it was supposed to be this dumb but harmless, bad taste joke about the relatable experience of That One Conservative Uncle and how you might have to get along with them despite your differences?
Trump was elected like 10 days prior to that episode airing. Not many people laughed.
Wasn’t the 1st homosexual wedding in a children’s show in Arthur?
even though i am a BIIIIG fan of SU, i actually really enjoyed this video lol
1:55:29 you thought you could slide that in
Ok TH-cam... I watched it. Please leave me alone now.
(K but in all seriousness this was a well put together video and I really enjoyed it)
I watched an episode or two of the series and I could see hints of deeper themes but after seeing clips from other episodes, I knew that they show and it’s creators were not equipped to discuss these subjects. I studied genocide for four years while at college and travelled to places to that were greatly affected by it. Seeing this show fail so horribly at trying to describe these big issues annoyed me to no end.
Overall I just wanted to thank you for making this video (and the Korra video) because they helped me peg down what was bothering me so much about these shows.
Great work!
I remember being so upset about the pink diamond reveal and then blaming myself thinking that I might not have been smart enough to enjoy it “properly”. I’m glad this video exists
>day sucks
>get home late
>checks youtube
>lily drops Steven Universe video
>.... Today was good day.
trans person gives a opinion changing review on how steven universe a former loved cartoon of mine, changed to one of my most hated kids shows, what a specific yet good review good job
I was never a fan of the "everything can be resolved with talking" concept it irked me the same way as "you can do anything as long as you believe in yourself"
This is a spectacular watch/listen. Being a part of the group that initially watch SU but now only pop in once in a while for closure's sake, listening to someone rip and tear into the many, bizarre and unusual decisions made by the show throughout its run time, as well as show numerous new perspectives that I hadn't considered is frankly quite eye-opening. My major complaints with the show had been hiatus, poor animation quality, overly focused episodes on the residents of the town who have among them maybe one hair strand of personality, and the fact that the show had shifted from fighting against The 'fascists in everything but name' Gempire to forgiving those same people who have actively performed horrifying and twisted acts as 'its all water under the bridge.' I wasn't aware of some of the other points brought up, notably that Yellow Diamond personality wise flip flops between big bad and, well, Blue diamond but with a different coping mechanism and the actual travesty that was Concrete's very culmination (who even drew that and thought it'd be okay?).
Despite all this, I will likely end up continuing watching the show, for the same reason stated above, closure. However, watching this will hopefully make me more critical of the shows choice of direction. We can only hope for improvement overall, however bleak that seems without significant work if not an overhaul in direction by the shows producers.
SU got clocked. I was feeling weird about the show for a while but didn't know why. You put it in words !
TWO HOURS LONG?????? Welp, time to grab some popcorn, a soda and some gummies and sit back and enjoy the show
One of the things I found interesting in SWTOR is that the Jedi light or darkside choices aren't based on what you might think are good or evil. They're based on what the Jedi TEACHINGS think is good or evil.
For example in the tutorial area you come across two Jedi in training who have formed a relationship, something forbidden by the Jedi teachings. The light side option is to go and tell your superiors and have them broken up. The Dark side choice is simply to say nothing and let them continue their relationship.
By contrast the other classes get more traditional Light/Dark side points. My Smuggler was played as generally a good person unless you pissed her off something fierce. The dude who stole my ship got gunned down in viscous fashion because I had to chase his ass across some god forsaken planet and he would gleefully rub it in my face whenever he could.
That's the case with every character. Light and Dark side is relative to the values of those classes.
"I like the tiny red lesbian but i don't understand the tiny red lesbian" i have never related so hard to this with so many things
Oh dang! I expected this to be out by next month at the earliest! This was certainly a nice surprise, as I've been really anxious to see this video for quite sometime. I admit, I don't agree with every little detail said in this video, but as for some of the more glaring problems like the filler beach city episodes, the Pink Diamond twist, and the need to redeem the Diamonds, it does make me realize why some of these things never sat right with me but I could never personally explain myself. So I am very grateful for this video in making me realize some of those things.
I still really love Steven Universe, though I do know it has some problems it's still a great show imo. "One man's garbage is another man's treasure"
Steven Universe feels like a fan story that was animated.
"Sugar ... has an understanding of abuse on par with Dr. Wolf ..."
_Ooh, that burn!_
GO OFF SIS
(in all seriousness, this was legitimately so cathartic to watch. i’ve never really found the words to describe why su annoyed me and here they are! thanks lily.)
A 2 hour video of Lily talking about Steven Universe?
Homework can wait!!!!!!!
ya know, i kinda think Rebecca is putting herself into Rose’s/Pink Diamond’s position. As in she based the character off of herself. think about it. she could’ve grown up privileged, went online, found out the rest of the world is really shitty, tried making it a better place while still living with her privilege, neglected her irl social skills entirely, and started steven universe. so in a way, steven universe is steven universe.
55:44 “I don’t know how on earth you did that, nonbinary people, by their very definition, are interesting.” as nonbinary, ngl, that part made me get a HUGE smile on my face. ily lily
TBH, I was worried that bit would be taken the other way.
Holy shit... I read that Racism essay you linked and I didn't even know half of that was even a thing. To top it off I didn't know human zoos were an ACTUAL thing either and I just...
W.O.W this show fucked up.
On the plus side this video essay made me want to go play Star Wars the Old Republic.
Wow I knew the show had problems as i watched it which slowly pushed me away, but wow i didn't realize how bad things were. This is why i love watching your work Lily, because watching videos like this and many of your other video that point out the problems or issues a show can have help me to be a better writer; To the point that i look over works that i want to get published and going over them with a MUCH finer tooth comb and give it a lot more clean up, and just literally asking myself "Why" like "Why does (X) do this" or "Why is this here", things that sadly I didn't realize I was lacking in my college education into writing or creative writing (granted it was community college so that probably could of only gone so far). I apologize if this comment comes off as weird or creepy or anything (because i have trouble gauging things like this when i talk to people) but i wanted to voice my appreciation for your work with this and my only regret is i cant do more then say thank you for what you do with little more then this comment at this time in my life.
This video ended up being the reason why I started playing The Old Republic
I just finished this and immediately pressed repeat. I could listen to this for days and will probably never be over it. Lily, you did an amazing job that I still have certain moments replaying in my head. Look I loved Sugilite and I'm forever bitter about her because Opal rubbed me the wrong way because of those reasons Lily mentioned. Also I'm forever screaming about Lily GOING IN ON KEVIN AND THE CREEPINESS OF HIS WRITING AND THE WRITING AND CAMERA ANGLES WITH STEVONNIE! So creepy! I'm still not over it. Might be my favorite section of the video. My feelings are here and apparently not leaving.
OKAY. Rewatching this, if Stevonnie's age is 26... when Connie and Steven are like... 30-40 years old... are they going to look like an 60-80year old woman? What happens when they hit fifty?! LMAO are they just going to die when they fuse? One day Steven is like "Connie we can't fuse anymore or Stevonnie will be 120years old and humans don't live that long :\"
It is BS cause when Steven fused with his dad the end result was like an in-between of Steven's and Greg's ages. There really is no consistency to how fusions are designed at all.
I never really liked this show, ima be honest, my 9 year old booty was only watching to simp on Pearl and Lapiz. But even at that age I HATED Steven, the character, I only watched about 2 seasons but gahhh damn is he the most annoying lead ever. Cardinal sins were made in his writing. He has no motive, he doesn’t push to plot forward, he has no charm, he has no redeeming traits, he is just annoying
Do I love Steven Universe? Yes
Will I still watch this video and actively agree with some points? Yes
Will I hate on this video? No
The longest, most overly critical video essay covering sensitive topics in a children's cartoon I have ever watched. I love it, thank you Lily. I was going to sub to you after watching the video, and was immediately confused when the button was grey.
@@whatthecatdoin4237 shut up
Tbh this critique of Steven universe was more spot on than I was expecting, and holds up even after it’s been a couple of years since the ending.
Bruh I absolutely hated this video years ago and I never watched it. Now that I watch this now.. These points are so good. I love this video.
"i like the tiny red lesbian, but I don't understand the tiny red lesbian" - lily
...I just wanted Bismuth to be a core character. So so badly. I wanted a war taken to Homeworld. But no...
"Sugar used every excuse she could to hide Ruby and Sapphire in the walk-in closet that is Garnet's hips"
BRUH I CANT 💀
I honestly think that the whole trope of "even the worst people can be redeemed" used as a way to keep viewers invested in shows, has genuinely caused me to fall victim to abuse in my life. I grew up watching this concept all over the media. Forgiveness became a fun trope because its unexpected and gets views, but since i grew up with this it was instilled in me that the right thing to do in real life was to forgive people no matter what. Maybe if i hadn't had this ideology drilled into my head through my formative years, i wouldn't have let so many people abuse me and romanticise "fixing" people and redemption. Thats what it is, and people gobble it up because we all like to think that we can change the bad people in our lives, but we cant. And teaching children that we can and should is extremely harmful. I have personally suffered from it
I used to watch Steven universe when I was younger and there were so many filler episodes and hiatuses that I genuinely forgot the actual story when it continued. I had no idea what was going on throughout the entire show.
I actually was looking for this video for about 5 minutes because I was feeling nostalgic and remembered how well written this was. A masterpiece tbh
Two or three times a year I come back to watch this (and now it’s more recent addition)
Here after the end of the homeworld arc, it got even worse. The whole "they were just following orders" thing doesnt even work anymore because they made fuCKING SPACE HITLER SYMPATHETIC AND REDEEMABLE TOO, IT'S FUCKING AWFUL
Apparently, the reason for the steven bombs comes from the fact that the network saw the rating and statistics for the show and realized that it was starting to fail, so they concocted the steven bombs to garner attention and increase the desire for the show to continue. Not only this, but they also positioned the show in time stamps that both made it so it wasn't competing with any other show that had better ratings to maximize the show's watch time and ratings, artificially inflating the numbers for the show as a result.
the supposed reason for this was due to them not wanting to go through the drama of letting sugar go after having to inevitably cancel the show when the ratings didn't improve and got worse in fact.
this series had SO. MUCH. POTENTIAL and sugar threw ALL of that away and it makes me so mad. this show coildve had an amazing analysis on self love and facist governments and what not but nooooooo she had to throw that all away
I just realised that bubbling is applicable to solitary confinement. Which makes the diamonds’ room full of rose quartz bubbles waaay more disturbing to me. They’ve probably been in there for hundreds of years.. Rebecca Sugar creeps me out sometimes…
Actually this is a common trend, not just Sugar. Killing is bad, so the heroes think up some kind of torture that's far worse
Oh and, holy fucking shit, the fact that a mass grave of millions of gems gave Steven a thumbs up is fucking disgusting and a great representation of why Sugar doesn’t understand or care to properly explore fascism and the Holocaust. The whole Cluster mess is written off as okay because Steven got the splintered gems to...like each other? This is very troubling. Steven Universe explicitly told children that a mass grave of lower class war victims, slaves and workers forced together was acceptable and “better” after Steven had a talk with it. Literally these gems were stripped of their individuality and “killed” for the sake of an experiment to destroy earth over a petty grudge, and Stevan’s answer to this was, “Maybe you can make this work if you make friends with the corpses you were forced to be with.”
This is scary as shit
Pearl not really being the Strong Independant Gem I thought she was is hurting my head. this is actually really sad.
also rOSE COMMANDING PEARL TO NEVER STOP? DIDNT EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT OH MY GO D
As the show proceeded,the show became more and more confusing. The line between what was right or wrong got blurrier and blurrier. This explanation and strong analysis helps understand it much better (more like understand that its not understandable due to the writers neglect)
coming back 4 years later and seeing the description for concrete is insane, "has a wicked shoe collection" AND "can't read :(" ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? NOT TO MENTION PIMP AMETHYST SAYING "nah you stoopid girl" THAT'S INSANE
To be honest stopped watching cuz it became to confusing when stories get put on hold and characters personalities changing way too much. The beginning of the SU thing was fine, expected to be over when at some point Steven meets what I think from an outsider’s perspective to be his mom, but stopped and apparently became shit.
Before the video: "Okay, lets see this opposite opinion"
After de video: "WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK REBECCA (and how didn't I notice those things)"
1 small note: sugilite's voice was only dropped bc of how expensive it was to hire nicki minaj
Perhaps they shouldn't have hired someone so expensive to voice a character, then. Was a celebrity cameo that important?
Every show changes the voices after a while. Why didn't SU do that, it is not that special after all.
I think you miss a lot of this when you can watch 5 seasons without hiatusses because then you don't get the theories or the moments where you have to just think about it because you can't watch it, I didn't have those and saw nothing wrong with pink diamond and rose and lapis until now. I am glad I saw this because now I really there really are bad aspects to the show I didn't even know exited.
1:01:19 the first ever lgbt cartoon wedding was in a kid's show: arthur
It's funny, Rebecca Sugar and Ian-Jones Quartey went to the School of Visual Arts taking class like Storyboarding and Storytelling and their work on Steven Universe is shit.
it could have been great
I'm just impressed that a lot of these comments have over thousands of likes. I guess it just means all of us agree that SU isn't a good show
I'm very glad that I came across this video. I can very distinctly remember watching SU and not having any problems with It. It didn't really stand out to me as one of the best TV series or one of the worst. It was really just neutral for me.
after watching this video however, I have come to realize all the horrible things that I, somehow, never noticed.
like, seriously. HOW did I completely miss (for example) how they butchered the diamonds?! I'm almost ashamed of myself for being so blind.
Something I'd like to mention too, is that the idea that the gems have "No real gender" but all of them are feminized or solely identify as female. Why is it that NB is always being drawn as "Woman light". It hurts, and its a harmful stereotype. It also feels very weird that most gems aren't allowed to express anything remotely masculine. What is wrong with being Masculine? What is wrong with being a guy? As someone who is AFAB but identifies as NB with a more masculine leaning, it's really confusing and frustrating.
3:31 imediate like
I was enjoying the Star wars talk so much I forgot about steven universe
So glad i grew out of this show
Around 16 minutes in, when you said the thing about how the theme is learning to love yourself, I immediately thought back to the completely abandoned hook words of the show, "Believe in Steven" and how they just kinda made Steven this ridiculous savior because he can change and something something "you're wonderful" and I just... I get sad thinking about how much I was invested in the show early on and I just lost interest for what seemed at the time to be no reason right around when the Bismuth special happened.
I love all the people on Twitter complaining about this video after 3 years, while I'm sitting here enjoying it eating popcorn
Don’t you just hate when potential of an amazing, well built, character driven show is literally RIGHT THERE and yet the writers choose to use cliché, predictable and poor narratives?
This is why we need villains like Jack Horner who are pure evil and they know and acknowledge it as well as embrace it.
Honestly Lily, all your video make me want to learn more about writing and storytelling.
Oh and I love how I learn something new from almost every video you make... even if the new knowledge is something rather horrifying, like the Human Zoo being an actual fucking thing in our history... just, what the actual fuck...
Steven universe's need to forgive everyone no matter what they did is what brought down the show in my opinion, like its OK to have villans, idk why they shyed away from that, because their message of "forgive everyone, even if they committed mass genocide" does much more harm than Rebecca thinks.
Watching this on a streaming service just kinda made me think the show was neat, not really caring one way or the other. but after putting the amount of breaks into perspective along with what came afterwards, I can imagine if I went months for a show I liked and got something like the watermelon island shit, I would most definitely feel very put off lol