I started enjoying dazed's stream some weeks before the first reflections came out and that interview really connected me to the person and not only the streamer/player, hope this one is as good. Thanks for the great content as always thorin, big fan of you two
While I think they fucked up alot, and they deserve a ban, it should have been 6 months to 1 year, and then maybe donate money to charity or something for the rest
really is good to see dazed isn't too torn up about the ban and that he is still active in the scene as much as possible he really is my favorite player n always will be (:
The fact he looks like he's getting his heart torn out when they talk around the scandal shows how much he regrets it.. Watch him, he starts avoiding eye contact, becomes visibly nervous, and his facial expressions become extremely awkward... I honestly just feel bad for him at this point... One stupid mistake really can fuck everything up, my mom was right...
What? Dude you're totally wrong. It's not affecting him as much as you think. He is way more successful now financially than he ever was as a pro. Dazed seeming uncomfortable was mainly him being annoyed at this point at how often people ask him if he gives a shit about being unbanned. Ask Dazed himself. He has literally said in interviews that even if he got unbanned he is unsure if he would become a pro again since he is much happier as a streamer.
I'm not saying he wants to come back or would be better off if he did, I'm saying it's very obvious he's remorseful, he is very obviously distressed...
yeah... well it's a videopodcast.... i'm just sad and nostalgic man, i'm missing these days.. back then when i used to listen to audiocasts which i downloaded from itunes. :I i mean i could rip thorins videos and remove the video track yeah... well whatever have a nice day
Dazed said something that has been proven in the workforce for centuries. Attitude is 80% and the rest makes the rest of the 20%. You can teach someone the technical components and mechanics but you can't change their personality unless you put them through some extreme circumstance or trauma.
Team iBUYPOWER was banned on 1/26/2015 .....but as i see here, the HLTV article was posted at 23:14 by stich.... 23:14 ......3:14 ............3:1 ................31 .....................3 1 .........................3-1 The Warriors blew a 3-1 lead.
28:00 the term used in psychology is "mirror imaging" where you expect people to analyze situations with the same depth and mindset as yourself. good vid :)
Hi Thorin, I would like you to dedicate an episode to discuss with somebody insightful about the subject Dazed touched upon in this video regarding 1:05:30 regarding the myth if age really matters. This would make me as a 20 year old with a huge ambition of becomming a better player should feel restricted or not. Your kind viewer, MiZen
As someone who played 1.6 from 2003 to 2011 and just started playing GO a few months ago, I'm shocked to hear that people don't know that CS on LAN and online is massively different. I coach a team and tell them all the time that the reason Swedes and Euros are so good are because they play with LAN ping at home. I thought people knew this.
Reflections with steel= WHY ARE YOU ASKING QUESTIONS Thorin: it's my job Steel: FUCK YOUR JOB FUCK YOUR LIFE Thorin: Calm down Steel: DONT TELL ME TO CALM DOWN
I disagree with fans not trying to unravel the psychology / taking them at face value. Maybe in the past but not anymore.. It is one reason we watch your vids and your counterparts as well. Nice video :>)yo
If IBP did the same thing today, I would say they shouldn't be unbanned, but since when they did it you couldn't re-sell your skins on sites like op skins. So technically they weren't getting any "real" money just cool skins that at the time they didn't know they would be able to sell for money
Not really Dazed, here in EU depending on which server you get, ping can range from 5-80 here as well. It depends alot on where u live and where the server is hosted.
at 1:06:23, the point dazed was making has some valid reasoning to it. With the way the brain develops, these guys were talented players in the pro scene for 10+ years. Of course they would be able to multi-task and react to certain ques in a way that other players haven't developed yet. Besides n0thing, i cant recall any players that have been in the pro scene for a long time, im probably wrong tho but you get my point. I dont believe cs is a game where you start declining the older you get, smarts and instinct play stronger parts than milisecond reactions, which i dont even thing decline that much in players that maintain it.
fuck outta here it was a different time then they weren't getting paid shit to sustain themselves 700$ is ass. Yes what they did is fucked and wrong they paid their dues. Literally 90% of teams have thrown games and it's obvious all the proof they need is from csgo lounge where they can see when the underdog is getting massive bet loads from foreign countries = rigged match.
If people are allowed to match fix and come back within 2 years, lower tier players might understand that they make more money from match fixing than playing the game. Just fucking compare to real sports, would you be allowed to throw a football or hockey game and then be allierad to play again? Of course not.
Yes actually I guarantee 100% you can find documented cases where they were allowed to come back and do whatever they were doing in that profession. "just fucking compare to real sports" you mean in a brand new growing industry of esports where there were no real rules, no real regulations or guidance on these things, nothing. Yeah what they did is fucked and disgusting but with all of those things taken into consideration it doesn't warrant a lifetime ban. I'm 90% sure I read a dota 2 article of people that threw a match and only got a 2 year ban.
So many teams have matchfixed in case VP used to throw so fucking much, literally once lost 16-0 to Kinguin..... so many teams have matchfixed and a dots team had been caught and only got a one year ban
I find it ridiculous that HACKERS like KQLY are allowed to comeback, whereas match fixers aren't? Hacking is basically cheating to bring legit players down, and make you more likely to win when you dont deserve it. Kinda like match fixing, but the other way around. (But yeah, match fixing is obviously really bad for the scene as well.)
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Bring back DaZeD. Shame for the NA-scene, that he can't be part of it. Great player, great mind. Unban this guy!
#FreeSwagDaZeDSteel
no azk?
Vineeth Gopu He's been really silent, but I guess him too.
Steel is an overwatch player but he will never give up on this community unbanning him
Frederik Krüger he said himself he enjoys streaming more and the pro-scene is mor intense, also he earns more money for streaming
Reflections with Pronax! (2nd Appearance)
i second this one.
thatguy11m yeah the first one was so bad
lol
"Sam "DaZeD" Marine, legendary former IGL of iBUYPOWER"
LEGENDARY!!!!
Ive never seen thorin defending an NA team before
+1
What about the s1mple team liquid?
Coodles Parks that was just s1mple and his underlings
he wasn't defending liquid. he constantly said that s1mple hardcarried them and without him they would be a lot worse.
+Flo1093 which is true, s1mple DID hard carry them and without him they probably wouldn't have even made the playoffs.
I started enjoying dazed's stream some weeks before the first reflections came out and that interview really connected me to the person and not only the streamer/player, hope this one is as good. Thanks for the great content as always thorin, big fan of you two
If DaZeD didnt get banned NA CS would be so much better
TheShook One especially swag
While I think they fucked up alot, and they deserve a ban, it should have been 6 months to 1 year, and then maybe donate money to charity or something for the rest
josh hamilton true not a permanent ban that's honestly ridiculous
***** don't act like they didn't do anything wrong
josh hamilton ya but was proportion to his ban
Thorin and Dazed, two of my favourite people!
(just remember I got top comment when I wrote that last time)
Awesome to see sam back. I would love to see him as a guest for the counter-points directly before the eleague major.
really is good to see dazed isn't too torn up about the ban and that he is still active in the scene as much as possible he really is my favorite player n always will be (:
I enjoy your talks with Dazed, they usually entail some good banter and interesting views on the subject they are talking about.
The fact he looks like he's getting his heart torn out when they talk around the scandal shows how much he regrets it.. Watch him, he starts avoiding eye contact, becomes visibly nervous, and his facial expressions become extremely awkward... I honestly just feel bad for him at this point... One stupid mistake really can fuck everything up, my mom was right...
What? Dude you're totally wrong. It's not affecting him as much as you think. He is way more successful now financially than he ever was as a pro. Dazed seeming uncomfortable was mainly him being annoyed at this point at how often people ask him if he gives a shit about being unbanned. Ask Dazed himself. He has literally said in interviews that even if he got unbanned he is unsure if he would become a pro again since he is much happier as a streamer.
I'm not saying he wants to come back or would be better off if he did, I'm saying it's very obvious he's remorseful, he is very obviously distressed...
Jonathan Naranjo Did you ever watch dazed gets triggered or whatever?
www.change.org/p/the-counter-strike-community-valve-needs-to-unban-the-ibp-players-its-a-waste-of-exceptional-talent?recruiter=695917019&
we should make like a petition for this man to get unbanned.. something to help because it's sad that it's just wasted talent :(
there was a few of them at different times
If only Valve gave a shit.
dazed way more of an important play than swag for na
Cadmus Stories
currently yes, but swag was a prodigy
They should get unbanned, but "wasted talent" is not the reason why.
LITERALLY came when I saw this on reddit. I watched the first one like 10x
does thorin have a podcast?
CHAIN This is his podcast
yeah... well
it's a videopodcast....
i'm just sad and nostalgic man, i'm missing these days.. back then when i used to listen to audiocasts which i downloaded from itunes. :I
i mean i could rip thorins videos and remove the video track yeah... well whatever have a nice day
nice little series you got there man
YESS! Thank you, my two favorite personalities in CS again!
YESSSS IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
It's so cute to see Thorin so friendly and human for once~
I just think it's weird to see him respect someone...
***** I was talking about Thorin's blatant disrespect to almost everyone, not whether or not DaZeD deserved it.
crypto yeah and dazed too
Thank you for adding a time line
Absoloutly 10/10. Great guy, interesting points, well worth the time to watch.
man i love the content lately thoorin!!! :)
haven't watched his recent videos. do i need to catch up to them?
+CHAIN yes
NA would be so much better with IBP
sepehr rashighi you mean EG
the1badgamer eg dota team better at cs than most na cs teams
NBA3245890 I don't follow the dota scene but it is because dazed ska hiko ect was gona make a NA super team that's why I said EG
Thorin, I'm new to the CS culture. My brother and I saw you at ESL NY and had an amazing time. Thanks for doing what you do.
Remember the old Dazed from the first reflections with him? He looks so different now.
The scandal added years
Love the recent reflections episodes; even the sOAZ one but having never watched LoL in my life. Keep up all the great content.
what am i supposed to do
am loaf GLAWKS
supposed to watch the video, brudda.
SO EMO
+tobi97dk WHAT MORE CAN I DO
am loaf LIKE WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO ! HE'S A MANAGER MAN ! GOD THIS IS SO FUCKING EMO DUDE.
Oh what!? I was revisiting the first Dazed Reflections earlier and now the sequel! Awesome
I like DaZeD. I wish Valve would unban him.
honestly if ex-ibp gets unbanned na will have hope once again solely bcuz of swag, fkn god tier even now
swag and dazed are fucking god tier sad to see the lifetime bans
daddy duncan treating me so well with this recent wave of content
I said to myself literally this morning after the latest Reflections episode DaZeD pt 2 would be sick; it's lit boys
Dazed is such a god. He predicted Gambit winning major and here it's very obvious he thought brehze is gonna be top NA player
thanks Thooorin for taking the time to interview dazed!
OH YES, IM READY FOR THIS ONE
Dazed said something that has been proven in the workforce for centuries. Attitude is 80% and the rest makes the rest of the 20%.
You can teach someone the technical components and mechanics but you can't change their personality unless you put them through some extreme circumstance or trauma.
i really like these
yey
man ive been wanting that one for so long
Great interview and insights.
love this guy so much.
+Thooorin with the steady stream of quality content recently.
wow ive been waiting for this
Great reflections session ty
Enjoyed watching!
Team iBUYPOWER was banned on 1/26/2015
.....but as i see here, the HLTV article was posted at 23:14 by stich....
23:14
......3:14
............3:1
................31
.....................3 1
.........................3-1
The Warriors blew a 3-1 lead.
lmaoo
26:45 (just marking where i left off since youtube doesnt always do it)
FisuKala dazed dies
Glenn dies
fucking spoilers
What I like to do is make a playlist and make the title of the playlist the time at which I stopped watching the video.
***** i was on phone :/
Dazed is amazing MOAR
Daddy dazed and thorin this is just what u wanna see boys......
please make this a podcast or audio only format. i dont want to be streaming over an hour of video on youtube when im out
ok he wants add rev. :/ just download it. That way he gets the add money xD he deserves it
adblock?
I love thorin and I love dazed. I'm in for a treat today.
This feels like a medicine after bingestudying for tomorrows exams. I even finished the first reflections with dazed too 5 minutes ago lmao
someone make a sound clip of the "This was realllllll". god damn good stuff Thorin.
"recorded on the 24thd" love it Thooorin
Long time coming :)
This gon' be good!
28:00 the term used in psychology is "mirror imaging" where you expect people to analyze situations with the same depth and mindset as yourself. good vid :)
Hi Thorin, I would like you to dedicate an episode to discuss with somebody insightful about the subject Dazed touched upon in this video regarding 1:05:30 regarding the myth if age really matters. This would make me as a 20 year old with a huge ambition of becomming a better player should feel restricted or not.
Your kind viewer,
MiZen
lets count how many times dazed interrupts thorin lmao
Ace Brometheus like 5 times, he's only toxic when he's mad
thorin the interviewer is meant to let dazed the interviewee talk.
thats how interviews work, this wasnt a discussion.
Damn what a fucking treat. Christmas is supposed to be like 2 months away.
C9 won a Best of 3 against Fnatic as well. It was a quarter or semi I think. This was back when Fnatic was dank.
Lumpy Seal c9 still a joke
Lumpy Seal if you would have waited 1 or 2 minutes you would have heard thorin saying exactly this...
I fucking love DaZeD.
Dazed still gets a lot of shit, but I love him
As someone who played 1.6 from 2003 to 2011 and just started playing GO a few months ago, I'm shocked to hear that people don't know that CS on LAN and online is massively different. I coach a team and tell them all the time that the reason Swedes and Euros are so good are because they play with LAN ping at home. I thought people knew this.
Well that's bullshit, maybe that's why most people don't "know" it.
A DREAM COME TRUE
Dazed and Thoorin in the same video? Instant like.
Reflections with steel= WHY ARE YOU ASKING QUESTIONS
Thorin: it's my job
Steel: FUCK YOUR JOB FUCK YOUR LIFE
Thorin: Calm down
Steel: DONT TELL ME TO CALM DOWN
would like to see you interview a VP member. maybe snax/neo or pascha
Got an exam tommorow at 9, Thoorin uploads reflections with DazeD. well, fuck
oooww fuck man. good luck.
go to sleep, don't make these stupid mistakes which i've been doing over the past 4 years.
Good luck on the exam man
I disagree with fans not trying to unravel the psychology / taking them at face value. Maybe in the past but not anymore.. It is one reason we watch your vids and your counterparts as well. Nice video :>)yo
2 minutes in and already getting good nice
*rubs hands with excitement*
Finally!
This interview was recorded on the *24thd* of October.
niiiiiice stuff!
Duncan, any chance of Dazed being a Counter-Points guest in the future?
you cant even bet anymore why are they still banned.
If you're here from the Thorin-Steel video, it starts at 29:00
reflections With Dennis or Olof about the New state of Fnatic
If IBP did the same thing today, I would say they shouldn't be unbanned, but since when they did it you couldn't re-sell your skins on sites like op skins. So technically they weren't getting any "real" money just cool skins that at the time they didn't know they would be able to sell for money
Great stuff! Start a kickstarter/patreon for a biweekly/montly/LanEvently show between you two!
And then they won an ESL Pro League. With Stewie2k strats.
Hey Thooorin can you do an interview with Swag?
he probably wouldn't agree to it
15:50 "i play for mousesports it is basically just Niko" XD
Not really Dazed, here in EU depending on which server you get, ping can range from 5-80 here as well.
It depends alot on where u live and where the server is hosted.
LOL the e-mail banter though was great xD
I think the people who want to play chess prefer games like starcraft over being an IGL in CS:GO. I suppose.
Dazed is so knowledgeable
YES YES
You know, right, I don't know.
#FreeDazed
at 1:06:23, the point dazed was making has some valid reasoning to it. With the way the brain develops, these guys were talented players in the pro scene for 10+ years. Of course they would be able to multi-task and react to certain ques in a way that other players haven't developed yet. Besides n0thing, i cant recall any players that have been in the pro scene for a long time, im probably wrong tho but you get my point. I dont believe cs is a game where you start declining the older you get, smarts and instinct play stronger parts than milisecond reactions, which i dont even thing decline that much in players that maintain it.
dazed is a legend
Thorin, is there any way you can turn these into podcasts? A majority of this is talking and it would be perfect to listen to on the go.
Elvis Maduro type "youtube mp3" on google, and you'll probably find a website to turn youtube videos in mp3 format
CSGOSwiftclaw I know how to do that. I was giving it as a suggestion to Thorin because it could be an additional income stream for him
He said awhile ago he doesn't know how to monetize podcasts.
Less views tho. Unless he charges like a buck on amazon
use youtubeinmp4.com you can download an mp3 of any youtube video on that site
Thorin talks about C9's strat being exactly/influenced liked Dazed's at 29:00.
I was getting so triggerd when he said they only beat nV, I was like FNATIC bro, almost won a Bo5 against them. Good thing Thorin rememberd.
Almost winning isn't winning
@Thooorin maybe link dazed's stream in the description? i feel like you talked about it that you might as well...
DAZED OUT OF NOWHERE!
10/10 Love you Daddy Dazed. Volvo pls. :(
Daddy D is back bois!!!!
mr t and daddy d lol
I _REALLY_ like dazed, Knowledgeable guy, funny, etc. But I honestly don't think he should be allowed to come back.
fuck outta here it was a different time then they weren't getting paid shit to sustain themselves 700$ is ass. Yes what they did is fucked and wrong they paid their dues. Literally 90% of teams have thrown games and it's obvious all the proof they need is from csgo lounge where they can see when the underdog is getting massive bet loads from foreign countries = rigged match.
If people are allowed to match fix and come back within 2 years, lower tier players might understand that they make more money from match fixing than playing the game. Just fucking compare to real sports, would you be allowed to throw a football or hockey game and then be allierad to play again? Of course not.
Yes actually I guarantee 100% you can find documented cases where they were allowed to come back and do whatever they were doing in that profession. "just fucking compare to real sports" you mean in a brand new growing industry of esports where there were no real rules, no real regulations or guidance on these things, nothing. Yeah what they did is fucked and disgusting but with all of those things taken into consideration it doesn't warrant a lifetime ban. I'm 90% sure I read a dota 2 article of people that threw a match and only got a 2 year ban.
So many teams have matchfixed in case VP used to throw so fucking much, literally once lost 16-0 to Kinguin..... so many teams have matchfixed and a dots team had been caught and only got a one year ban
I find it ridiculous that HACKERS like KQLY are allowed to comeback, whereas match fixers aren't? Hacking is basically cheating to bring legit players down, and make you more likely to win when you dont deserve it. Kinda like match fixing, but the other way around. (But yeah, match fixing is obviously really bad for the scene as well.)
love u dazed
Would be cool with a Refelections with Reinforced from Rogue. So we can get to the bottom of this drink story :D
DaZed's vocab: ya know, like, right?