Actual Play - Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd Edition (AD&D 2e) - Night Below (Session Zero)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- Tonight, we take a break from our usual campaign to indulge in a bit of nostalgia with a session of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd Edition.
After rolling up four new heroes, the party accepted what seems to be a simple task from a wizard; deliver a mysterious box to another wizard in a far-off town, and accept payment. Easy money. Or...so it seemed.
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What i love about AD&D is how dangerous combat actually is. D&D 5th edition, while good, makes me feel way too strong tbh. Like im not worried about any combat at all.
I was born in 93, but 2nd edition D&D was my jam.
I totally agree, Sonic. I still love a lot about 5e, but I adore how dangerous and how much fun AD&D 2e combat is (particularly with the house rules we have incorporated over the course of the campaign).
In my current 5e campaign I'm playing a barb that's hulk hogan. Iv yet to actually use a weapon and I do just fine lol
Honestly it's more about the DM than the game version. I have a 5E DM who is a... lets be nice and say "Dark Souls Enthusiast" who loves to send over leveled stuff our way.
@@eclipsegst9419while it is true that a DM can adjust the difficulty and can make a game challenging (I've been able to do it in my 5e game) the system still has a lot to do with it. I have a lot easier time with making my combats interesting and challenging in 3e and 2e, especially 2e, because 2e was designed with the idea that combat was to be avoided if possible. I do not actually enjoy killing player characters, but I do want the game to be a challenge and for surviving to feel like an accomplishment (this is even more true for me when I'm a player), my group is like-minded and while we've pretty much settled on 3e as our go-to (which is significantly more lethal than 5e, but significantly less lethal than 2e) we do play and enjoy all three editions.
Sorry for the rambling, but yeah the TLDR is that you aren't wrong, but the system does make a huge difference.
I used to run 2nd edition as well as play and i had a campaign that the antagonist were pirates. In the final battle i had the leader all kitted out and buffed, it was going to be an epic battle. One of my players crit killed him with a single arrow.
"im sure this wont go on too long" 109 sessions later, still running. nice.
Ha ha, yeah, that was a little unanticipated. :)
The thing that i miss the most from 3e onward was the amazing initiative system ad&d 2E had. On paper it sounds complicated but in practice is really inmersive and keeps players engaged and promoted descriptions and team play. The stupid rotatory turns from modern d&d simply tells the players to take a smoke break between turns.
100% agree with this. I love how the shared initiative brings everyone's focus back to the table at the start of each round, and how it gives them a moment of shared triumph or defeat, each round. Love it.
When I run this in person, I use an oversized dice to roll, both, my initiative, and then for the players to roll. When a player loses initiative, they pass the dice to their left.
This is the second reason I'm learning 2e. The main reason being that I feel it can be simpler to make and understand a character. Modern D&D is power fantasy, it really seems like 2e, depending on the homebrew rules/books allowed, starts everyone off as little more than a commoner and then they get their cool stuff with time.
About to play my first AD&D game in 20 or so years. Watching this to get in the mood
Hope you had a blast with your first AD&D session back, Felipe!
The world needs more dungeon masters like this one..
Thanks so much for the kind words, Harrsh! :)
I love the DM shutting down the player complaining about mechanics with story as a reason for the mechanics
Ha ha, thanks IK. :)
What's the time code for that?
Approximately 1:07:15
This is amazing! I grew up playing AD&D 1st and 2nd Edition, the new 2nd Edition came out about a year after I started playing, so all of the ART was absolutely captivating! Thanks for this Stream, obviously, I am watching it MUCH later!
Excellent!
Thanks, Pauper Knight! I totally agree with you about the art in 2e. It continues to hold a special place in my heart. :)
Just want to say I'm only 25 minutes in and I really enjoy the energy of everyone, and the DM's laugh is both contagious and very heartwarming, looking forward to the campaign and hope everyone is well! I'm sorry to hear about your pet
Thanks very much for the kind words, TLR. :)
I rant to my players all the time about the good old 2nd ED days! Looking forward to getting them to check this out!
Thanks, Old Dog! We had so much fun with this session and expect to return to AD&D 2e very soon. :)
The old “Dungeon” and “Dragon” magazines.
My library had both and I loved going there to look at them. I was very young for 2e. Born ‘82. We still played some 2e, granted it was a mess. Lol.
Been playing for a little over 35 years. We still use 2E. IMHO, after Wizards of the Coast took over, it went south for our group so, we just stuck with 2E and still love it. Best Edition hands down. (Again, just my opinion). I enjoyed the entire 4 and a half hours of this video. :)
Thanks, MF, glad that you enjoyed the session! :)
As a player/dm who started with 5e, I’ve been very curious about older editions and while I disliked pathfinder 1e, I’ve been quite curious about adnd 2e, especially with the ideas of class/race restriction, beyond level 20 play in the Netheril expansion, and the OG forgotten realms setting
I started 20 years ago with 3.5 and only in the past few years have I finally started exploring old editions.
AD&D 2e is the only version I haven't explored at all at this point.
@@Syndicate_01 it might be a bit of a learning curve or just getting used to different stat values meaning different things...like AC 10 = you're basically sitting there with no armor and -10 = you're a tank. Plus different rolls all around. Most of it, no matter what edition, falls on your DM and how good of a story teller they are. Hope you guys have a good DM. It can make or break the adventure.
@@marthafokker2071 Oh, for sure. I'm the DM, actually, ran a short B/X game and now running a somewhat streamlined AD&D 1e.
The curve hasn't been AS BAD as I thought but what I still am getting used to is how rules light the system is.
Which I love...just gotta get used to it!
This was so good! Not played in over 20 years but really made me want to find a group and brought back loads of fun memories. Cheers guys 👍
Thanks so much for the kind words, Mark, we are thrilled to hear you enjoyed it. It really feels like coming home again, getting back to AD&D 2e after so many years. :)
@@DungeonMusings What version of Night below is this, is it a ROLL20 product with the Character portraits done or all you ..good sir... tanks!!!! for the great stream!
i played Basic, 1e, 2e from 1983 through 1996, then stopped and did not came back until January 2019. I follow podcasts and watch Jason Hobbs channel on TH-cam and that's how I learned of this Night Below campaign. And I know play old school D&D online twice a week. I guess it's addictive 😀
So great to find a 2nd Ed game on YT. It’s been years since I played, and now most of the rules & modules etc are available on drivethru hopefully the oldskool renaissance can keep growing. Looking forward to the next 70 or so episodes 👍🏻
Welcome, SU, hope you enjoy seeing how the campaign has developed over the past 10 months! :)
Absolutely -- I had a falling out with someone who insisted I convert 2nd Ed. to Pathfinder. Sayonara to him -- 2nd Ed. is far better.
My favorite version of D&D being played, awsome! In 5 years i convinced my group to play A D&D 2E twice (and both times i had to be the DM), i would love to be able to be a player in a 2nd edition campaing. So cool guys!
Thanks, Nkrlz! It has been a ton of fun revisiting the old school with this campaign. :)
I miss this kinda thing. Being able to listen to these sessions is a nice stop gap so thank you.
One does not “take a break” by running Night Below.
I spent the afternoon/evening after this session reading Night Below, so you may be right. It may have its hooks in me.
Dungeon Musings I have been running it almost weekly since summer 2016. At the end - but still about 6 sessions from done.
@@devonsharkey414 That is SO EXCITING!!! Without getting into spoilers, I have seen that some folks had issues with pacing in Part Two. Did you find that to be the case?
Dungeon Musings I didn’t. I ran it in 5e and put it in Misteldale in forgotten realms. I did a few things to make it slightly less..tedious? For instance I put ancient stones above and below to act as a teleportation focus to make it a little easier to move around. It took them a while to figure out their purpose. Play it a little more loose is my suggestion. Chapter 2 was an okay protracted dungeon / underdark crawl.
@@devonsharkey414 That is great to hear, Devon, thanks! I am already thinking I can snag a bunch of material from Forbidden Caverns of Archaia to repurpose for the Great Rock Dale. Good luck with the last of your sessions!
3 years behind on this, stumbled across by accident. *Cracks knuckles* Well, off to it.
Welcome and we hope that you enjoy your time in Haranshire!
245 views. AD&D still reigns supreme.
Hell yeah!
7.372
Not too shabby! :)
8.6k now. Steady gains.
16 k views...👍
@@jfcaronjonq Thanks Jean-Francios Caron. Wow! That is so many views. AD&D is still relevant in the 21st Century! Thanks DM Kev.
Omg, can’t believe this is being played! Awesome stuff guys! Ty for sharing!
Thanks Rogue, glad you enjoyed! :)
I wish my internet worked well enough to be able to play like that. Love the 2ADnD gameplay!!
Thanks, Kevin! :)
So great to see AD&D being played. One thing of note; I'm fairly certain that John's strength of 15 doesn't qualify for any 'To Hit' or 'Dmg Adj' bonuses.
Thanks Gild, the sheet was reading the score as 18/00 due to a typo!
@@DungeonMusings No problem; although I'm sure John will be slightly disappointed now! A couple of times during the game he alluded to how strong his gnome was, so I think the attribute bonus threw him off.
No; a 15 is +1.
@@sunsin1592 I play 1st Ed AD&D and in that Str 15 (page 9 of PHB) does not give any to hit nor damage adjustment bonus. In 2nd Ed AD&D (page 14 PHB) still the same. Str 16 gives +1 dmg adj.
15= +1
Night Below is one of the best campaign for D&D I've ever played.
Agreed. It has been a ton of fun, so far. :)
@@DungeonMusings did you finished it? What level were the characters at the end ?
If I recall correctly (it was 20 y ago) players were around lvl 13/14. We began this year with news players I'm a Wizard lvl 9 so far and we are about to attack juiblex temple.
@@laurentp1089 We had session 26 on Friday, and the players are still on the surface and levels 2-3. I have made some changes to the campaign, so some things (like the Goblins of the Ring) are more involved than they were in the original campaign.
@@laurentp1089 I have also redrawn the surface map: instagram.com/p/B7axLsQhXwT/?igshid=sbv6qynkmrtx
I’m excited that it’s actually so good since I’ve held onto my boxed set of Night Below since I started running it in the 2e days. Always wondered what would happen once they started going underground. And I got back into RPGs this year. Was thinking if I can’t get people to play I might try doing it solo with Mythic GM emulator or something. Amazing to see this pop up in my recommendations since I started listening and didn’t even realize they’re going to use Night Below until now.
This is like a history lesson in the D&D editions. Awesome.
Thanks, FR, glad that you enjoyed it! :)
Good session zero.
I never played 2nd edition, I was a 1e AD&D guy back in the day. I say that, but when I began, it was a mix of Moldvay Red Box and AD&D, and pretty well remained as such throughout.
Some of 2e definitely slipped in; how could it not, what with the abundance of splat books and a number of dragon magazine articles to be gleaned.
Wow, 70 episodes to plow through. This might take a while. :)
Thanks, David, glad you enjoyed our inaugural session! Looking back on the campaign, to date, it is a bit surprising how much the heroes have done and seen in the course of our Night Below game, but I hope you have fun seeing what shenanigans they got up to!
Well done.. I DMed for 10 years in the 90s in 2nd edition..I'm not sure today's players would have the patience for playing lowly"average characters"..dozens of characters died for good...limited magical items and one group made it to between 5th and 6th level after 100s of hours of game play..my players saw one dragon..a young white..that being said that group of characters is as real to me and memorable today as the characters from lord of the rings
Thanks for the kind words, Ed! I totally agree that there is a different experience you get from AD&D play (1e or 2e) that you just don't get from modern games. My players are a mix old school experts and folks coming from modern games, so it has been interesting to see how they respond to the old school play (particularly the danger of old school combat and the need for training to gain a level, which I use in this game). Fortunately, all of the players have responded overwhelmingly positively to our 2e games (both, this one and our Icewind Dale game). :)
Very late to the party, but I just recently discovered this ‘Night Below’ campaign (and, by extension, this channel) after searching out 2e content.
It was a good watch.
Only 162 more videos to go. Lol
I just discovered this on night shift. I will be following this for sure.
Thanks, David, I hope you enjoy making your way through our shenanigans. :)
I really like how you ask the players to set the scene and NPCs with how they would get more work. I've never taken that approach when doing a session 0 but I may now because it gets everyone to contribute.
Thanks for the kind words, David! If you do decide to make use of it at your table, I would love to hear how it goes over.
I started on the white box and 1ed in 76, skipped 2ed played 3.5 but i still play 1ed and osr version and some 3.5 I now use 2ed to supplement. im watch this to see how it plays good luck
Hope you enjoy our shenanigans!
Love seeing AD&D played. I stick with 1E in my game, nothing after 1986, so this seems modern by my standards. But the setting is great and I can’t wait to watch more. It’s fun seeing 5E players attempt AD&D.
Thanks, Adrian, hope you enjoy the rest of the campaign (we just had session 37, tonight)!
I am very interested in this campaign! I grew up playing 2nd edition and i miss it
Thanks, Captain, I hope you enjoy our shenanigans in Haranshire!
Loved this. Great flashback to many hours spent playing this in the early 90s and for years after. I’m glad you’re handling the gold/XP the way you are. Gold=XP always rubbed me wrong.
Thanks for the kind words, Rick! Though....I hate to tell you that we do actually use the gold = XP rules in this (including for magic items found). :)
I had been using those rules for about a year in our Astonishing Swordsmen and Sorcerers of Hyperborea campaign (an old school game based on 1st ed AD&D), and those rules make finding a monster's horde or discovering a magic item all the cooler because it means that you ALSO get a sweet bundle of experience points to go along with the cash and/or magic item.
I have heard others also argue that, by giving more xp for loot than for killing/defeating monsters, you actually incentivize recovering loot over combat (which, when paired with a potentially deadly and unpredictable combat system, makes it desirable to avoid combat). I do not fully agree with that, but I do know that when my players find a horde of goodies that, not only gives them more walking-around money, but also allows them to gain another level, it makes the reward even more meaningful. :)
I really enjoyed watching you guys create your characters. I'm not gonna watch the rest because everybody says that module is so good. Maybe I'll get lucky enough to play it someday.
2e was so good.
Madison! Can't believe I was looking up ADND 2ed reviews and came across your videos. Well done old friend!
TOM!!!!! It is so great to hear from you! :D
@@DungeonMusings It has been a loooong time! Let me know if you have the wherewithal to reconnect at some point. Would love to chat.
@@thomastodd5700 Absolutely!!! I got your Facebook message and will get back to you!
I am a moron and did something wrong with FB "request to send message" thing. Would you be able to flip me an email at dungeonmusings@gmail.com?
I've been a long time sub but never watched this huge ass series because I was so intimidated. Really excited to dive into this. Also, I know it's been a year but I'm sorry about your pup - I've lost pets as well and that friendship lingers.
Thanks very much for the kind words, Ethan. We have welcomed a new pup into our home (who you will hear in the background of future sessions of Night Below), but Emmylou will always have a place in my heart.
I hope you enjoy diving into our Night Below adventures; we have been having a blast with it. :)
I’m still relatively amateurish in terms of being a D&D player, but AD&D 2e always made me tabletop-curious after playing the Baldurs Gate games and 5e doesn’t really scratch that itch. I hope to find a group sometime to play it with, but this has been really insightful! Thanks for sharing your game! Looking forward to watching more!
Thanks for the kind words, Mike! I hope you enjoy our escapades in Haranshire. :)
I ran my party through night below all the way to the end (and beyond into Pathfinder 1e believe it or not). This is easily my favorite ad&d module. The dark sun setting is such a good idea for this module and I never thought of it. I chose an uninhabited area of forgotten realms to begin with (unther), then extraplanar and even extraplanetary within the pathfinder setting. I'm so excited to see what you do with this module. My party got overpowered rather quickly (but it was a lot of lucky rolls and a lot of DM allowances such as a player that focused on poisons and made quick work of the book 3 aquatic battles with multiple 20s)
I could see this campaign playing really well with PF1e too.
@@DungeonMusings Also there is in fact a pathfinder module named Second Darkness which (roughly) continues the underdark storyline (this time with Drow rather than fish fillets lol)
As a kid I was gifted a copy of the first edition PHB and was stoked! Later in years everyone was diving into second edition, played as a character a couple times but don't recall rules much etc. Now its 2021 and I'm considering purchasing 2nd edition as I gave up on 5th, I DMed a game I created, it was fun but didn't like how players can't die or rarely from poor decisions. Why, so their feelings weren't hurt? I liked the DMG of 5th lots but I miss the retro vibe of earlier editions of the game from my memory. Some of the races of 5th I thought were pure cheese. So ya your game here is getting me warmed up to 2nd here...I think I'll be going 2nd edition...
Hell yeah and welcome to the fold! I like to run a number of different editions of D&D (lately, running a lot of 3.5, 5e, and Pathfinder 2e), but 2e remains my favorite for a long-term game. I hope you have a blast getting reacquainted with AD&D 2e and, if you have any questions as you do, please feel free to join us on the Dungeon Musings Discord server (link in the description) where there a bunch of folks with AD&D (1e and 2e) experience who are happy to answer questions.
Man do I wish I found this channel sooner! Superb stuff
Welcome, Timbo, and thanks for the kind words! We hope you enjoy your stay. :)
0:35 My condolences.
Thanks, Rylan, they are appreciated. :)
Night Below is a mega campaign. For me. rulewise, is one of the best 2nd ed adventurese ever written as it considers much of the previously released optional rulebooks. Very well structured and fun for us. We managed to finish it. The last part is a little bit clunky but with some creativity you can make it work. Overall one of my favourites. Played it 20 years ago!
The cantrip house rule I use is that it’s just free to cast at any time. But only those examples from the phb. So you can light a candle, tidy up, flavor food, create small phantom sounds, etc... but no bonuses to hit or anything and nothing that causes damage.
Really excited to have found this! Look forward to watching this.
We hope you enjoy, MisterB! :)
New viewer. LOVED AD&D 2e and looking forward to joining late on this journey! Hope you guys continue to do 2e content after this campaign, if it ever finishes.
Thank, Higgs, and welcome! We are still going strong with this campaign and our AD&D 2e campaign set in the Icewind Dale, so there is much more 2e for you to enjoy. :)
I would play AD&D with you and become a Paladin!
Ha ha, thanks, Alexs!
Can't use sheaf arrows with a short bow, fyi. Also, the best cleaver analog I can think of is a hand axe.
Thanks, John. We actually catch that in a later episode. :)
Ok here we go starting my ad&d 2nd ed journey here
Hope you enjoy getting to know 2e!
@@DungeonMusings lots to learn but i have some veteran old school mates who im trying to get to teach me as well
@@danthegamerkhan Hell yeah! A full adventuring party to help. :)
Just recently found your channel as well as dungeons and dragons.
Loving them both.
Welcome to the channel and the hobby! :)
“I guess I’m a loser!”🤣 Comment of the session. I just finished Pirates of Drinax. I prefer Traveller, but I am looking forward to going through these. 👍
Ha ha, agreed. I hope you enjoy our adventures in Haranshire, Corey!
Only fighters get the specialization but your the DM. at least that's how I remember it
Rules as written, that is true, but there are also some kits and specialty priests that gain access to specialization.
3:06:00 I think what he meant to say was "wet behind the ears" referring to someone who is inexperienced. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he didn't know any better.
Thanks, Dave, I think that is exactly what happened. Steve's reaction when we called him on it seemed one of genuine confusion as to why it was offensive, which suggests crossed wires on his part, rather than the uglier alternative. Thanks for giving him (and us) the benefit of the doubt.
@@DungeonMusings And I think you handled it as well as you possibly could have. Anyway, Night Below is a great campaign so I'm looking forward to catching up on your actual play.
The only thing that bothered me about THACO is that it gave away that the opponent likely had magical armor. Other than that i never had problems with it.
THACO is one of those things that is lodged in my brain and will not go away. :)
Love the comments about "Yeah might as well experiment a bit, It's not like we'll be playing this forever!" :-D
Ha ha, yeah, if we only knew then. :)
Really excellent DMing! Focus stays on the game vs. lots of goofing around, cross talk (which I think detracts from the game). Keeps my interest from start to finish. Keep it up. Subscribed.
Thanks for the kind words, Tim, glad that you enjoyed the session! :)
Ye olde wizards with their 1d4 HP. God this brings back memories. I'm actually converting this campaign for my 5e group and I can't wait to dive in.
There are some great resources online available for prepping this campaign, if you are also going to be running it. I will try to find the links when I get to my computer, and add then to my response.
I find it funny that Arlen @2:05 describes new editions as "Cleaned up, modernized versions"...obviously he hasn't read the 5th edition Players Handbook cover to cover. That POS is an editing nightmare. And it's THIEF. Rogues wear feather caps and dance with sailors.
"Dance with sailors"... LoL
love seeing AD&D being streamed. Night Below is fantastic and works naturally very well in the Forgotten Realms setting. i saw Night Below on DTRPG as a print-on-demand but it just isn't the same; you'd have to specially print the handouts and maps and stuff. still though, might pick it up just because it's such a great campaign. trying to find an original copy is expensive and difficult. great stream though!
Thanks, Lesh, glad to hear you enjoyed it! We have decided to set our campaign in Greyhawk, rather than the Realms, but I understand that it fits perfectly well there too. I have been using a print-on-demand version of Night Below, and it is pretty good. The PDF has all the handouts and maps, which are pretty easy to convert into images for import into Roll20. That said, I have just ordered a copy of the original box from Noble Knight, so we will see how it compares to the original. :)
@@DungeonMusings oh man, that's awesome. would love to see an unboxing of that. i swear those old 1e/2e box sets (most of them anyways) are absolute gold.
Well just saw this today. I like it.
Thanks Kingjsh, glad you enjoyed!
Im all set to watch them all. I bought some pills of a Jazz man and now I don't need sleep
Ha ha, sounds great! I hope you enjoy the ride!
So weird for me to hear about ad&d being the old archaic way. It's all I've played since I was 16 and I'm 22 now haha
Ha! That's a great way to be introduced to D&D!
Yeah ive been playing 2e since i was 12. Never changed editions lol 42 now. I did buy a 3.5 book once but didn't like it
I was the same. I had played 3.5 a couple of times but then a DM started a planescape campaing using the rules he had always used AD&D 2e. I used those rules for more than a decade. I have only diversified into 5e for the last couple of years.
Fantastic way to start. I played 2e longer than any other rpg, I'd imagine. My old PHB seems to have been either nicked or misplaced. I'm running B/X D&D now, but I'll probably start up some 2e in the future. I want to run 1e ToEE first, then something in 2e. Any campaign/module suggestions?
@@Kunstdesfechtens Man where to begin. For campaigns 2e has every editon beat hands down. I have always been partial to Birthright myself. It is medievel fantasy really done right with a small touch of fisher king/highlander. It just makes a lot of sense as you read it. Warlock of the stonecrowns is the best module for it. This is followed by the mini settingbook/adventure king of the giantdowns. Enjoy!
It's going to take a long time to catch up to the present with this series....
Welcome to the campaign! We hope you enjoy your time in Haranshire. Be sure to visit the friendly shops in Milborne, sample some of local delicacies (we recommend the eel pies at the Baron), and keep an eye out for the town's unofficial mascot, Old Grizzler. If you venture outside the town limits, be aware that the goblins are not tame and may bite. Same for the gnolls. And the orcs. And the bugbears.
You know what, it may be best to assume that most things should be approached with at least some degree of caution (or sharpened steel).
@@DungeonMusings Nice ! I am just starting Myself cannot wait to watch!
I know this is a year late but sorry about your dog man
Thanks, Ryan, that is appreciated. :)
2e still my all time favorite :)
Starting from the beginning months into this campaign and I feel like I've stepped back into my native habitat - 80s kid here loving this - just one question - are the players using For Gold and Glory for their reference? So great to see AD&D be given live play love!!
Welcome to the party, Mark! We are mostly using the original AD&D 2e books, but For Gold and Glory is helpful for consolidated errata and ease of reference. We are also using a handful of house rule, which you can find here: drive.google.com/open?id=1Ft60FOCJ_HCrxX7yEoT2tMDeNUer9PBg
Thanks the kind words, I hope you continue to enjoy our shenanigans, and let me know if you have any other questions!
I'm playing a campaign in second edition and my gm made the mistake of giving me bombs, I attached them to my arrows and turned my bow into an M32 grenade launcer
That sounds incredibly effective.
@@DungeonMusings It was actually, I had to rescue my party from a cult and used my bombs to blow the cults base apart. God I love playing rangers in advanced 2nd edition.
"Knock knock" (fires an M16/M203 underslung grenade launcher point blank into an any combatant) - Predator, Arnold Shwarzenegger.
How have I not seen this before? Oh well, Episode 1 here we go.
Hope you enjoy it, ADM!
Awesome! One of the most underrated campaigns. I’m super jealous!
Totally agree about it being an underrated game. It came out at a time I was not playing AD&D any more, but it has just made it all the better to discover it now. :)
I just finished Greyhawk the Night Below episode 40 and am up to date. :( Time to dive into the Hyperborea episodes. :)
I just posted episode 41 (we had some issues with the encoding, so I to repost it). :)
Came for the AD&D stuff, stayed because of the dogos....
Ha ha, thanks Felipe! :)
That’s been my desktop background for 2 years
Awesome. :)
Kinda sad I can still remember a lot of the 2nd ed mechanics by heart.
If it helps, I can recall almost 100% of the dialogue from the film, Tremors. :)
I finally caught up with Legacy of the Crystal Shard, then debated between this and ASSH. Flipped a coin, and it came up Night Below. Gonna be another long binge, lol
Welcome to Haranshire, we hope that you enjoy your stay! Please do not feed the goblins and report any fish-smelling liquids to your nearest Rangers of Haranshire office. :)
I've never played an older version of D&D before, I would like to try, but admittedly i'm a sucker for roleplay and fear the fact it's far easier to die in older version lol.
Life definitely can be cheap (and short) in AD&D. :)
What application are you using to create characters and roll. Want to know for social distancing?
I used Roll20 for the character sheets, maps, and handouts; Hangouts to capture the audio (and for pre-and-post-game chat); and OBS to stream it through to the TH-cam channel.
Thanks, DJ, you are correct that we use Roll20
Although I'm firmly in the 3.5/Pathfinder camp, 2E gives me nostalgia vision. The only reason I rarely play it is that I've mostly forgotten how, never really learned the game in the old ways, although I was playing it back then. I always charge one level (or 1 Con for level 1 characters), no more, no less; for resurrections of any spell level or type of spell because of nostalgia from 2E which imposed a harsher and more lasting tax.
"...and I have the visual for ah, whaddyacallit?"
I'm thinking Safety Dance.
"Safety Dance."
OMG! Yes, we're old, but thats not the point. What are the odds?
Ha ha. :)
@Dungeon Musings, Kevin do you have a link or a doc for your 2nd Edition house rules?
This is the most recent draft of our house rules: drive.google.com/file/d/1saaaeHYFcLnXKq2PWZVkGAsQJiCsNaKB/view?usp=sharing
@@DungeonMusings Thanks!
Recently getting back into 2e again after a long hiatus, so very pleased to find such a series and that the love for 2e is still strong! It is still my absolute favourite version of the game.
Just curious how your spell durations are being run and tracked with weapon speed initiative? For example, Dormen is using Color Spray which stuns for X rounds. Say it caused a stun for 1 round - do you include the current round, plus give the next full round? So with a 6 round stun, it would be the current round plus another 6 full rounds?
Welcome back to AD&D 2e! We have been having a blast with it over the past year or so.
The way I run spell effect duration, I track it by rounds it effects the target (so, a three round duration stun would rob the target of three rounds of actions).
@@DungeonMusings Yes it's great to discover again and have so much content to go through here. Makes picking rules up again a lot easier and Night Below seems a good place to start. I also hope WotC do some nice hardback reprints of 2e stuff for the 50th anniversary.
Ah thanks, that makes sense and seems fair regarding duration. Just one thing, if the spell target was a player with two attacks, would you 'rob' them of their end of round attack and track that as one full round of effect against them? (i.e. player already took their first attack before spell took effect)
This was great. I know this version of D&D from video games only - which ignore or hide many of the rules. It was great to see it in action. I notice that there were no "kits" - is that from another version, or was it left out because it just adds a lot of unnecessary complexity.
Thanks, Garrick. We actually do use kits in this campaign and our Legacy of the Crystal Shard campaign too, we just added those between sessions. Kits are a pretty cool way to add differences between characters in AD&D 2e, but they do require you to tweak some for balance (not all of those "Complete" books that had the kits were terribly well playtested).
so sorry to hear about your dad ..bro
He said "pup" as in dog...
Good lord!
It's Arlen again!
I dub thee Dungeon trollop!
Every other live play I watch Arlen's in the party😂✌️
I'd be interested in getting in on a 2e campaign.
Sorry for the delayed response, Donald, but we have a "Find a Group" channel on the Dungeon Musings Discord that usually has folks looking for people to join old school games (AD&D 2e and others).
i actually have an almost complete collection of 2.E books and modules. If i could share a picture of them all i would. A room mate years and years ago left them in my apt when they moved out and ive just always kept them. They usually sit on the bookshelf to make my rpg collection look far more impressive then it does. I have never found anyone that wants to play 2E. Most people consider it cursed.
It's good fun, definitely a favorite. I grew up with it, and I'm 21.
I have been play with dnd since 1983, BECMI I always have done 4d6 drop the lowest , place where you want. and so did everyone I have ever played with. I don't have 2e anymore, but I have For Gold and Glory anyone know how close that it is?
I used to play AD&D decades ago. What software are you using to play this on?
We use Roll20, and one of the fan-made character sheets for AD&D 2e to play our games.
@@DungeonMusings is there a good place online that I can actually join a AD&d 2e game. It’s so long since I played I am really rusty.
@@WeMakeFilms There is a link in the description of the video to the Dungeon Musings Discord server, and we have a Find a Group channel there where folks are often looking for players for old school games (like AD&D 2e), and you are more than welcome to join us over there. :)
@@DungeonMusings Sorry I am completely new to this I could fin find a game but not find a group. Its all a bit overwhelming to be honest. Do you have any newbie videos or text files on how to get involved by any chance.
So, I watched this session zero and Part 1. Then went to look for the playlist..... 190!! phew. And there's more in adjacent systems right? Better get started I guess haha
Thanks, Simon, I hope you enjoy following along with our shenanigans in Haranshire!
So what's everyone's opinion on 5E vs 2E? Curious what you all think of what they did with the experience table for going up levels in 5E.
Without getting into "edition wars" territory, I will just say that 2e offers something closer to the experience I want at the table than 5e would, for this campaign and our Night Below game (though I use houserules in both). If I was going for a different experience at the table, I would consider using 5e or one of the other Modern games (I am quite fond of PF 2e).
@@DungeonMusings I prefer 1st and 2nd edition too, but I'm told 5e is very well written, but in my opinion the experience point chart was totally designed for kids, so their character goes up really easy and fast, which, also my opinion, completely goes against the very concept of the game, which is that it's supposed to be hard to go up levels, so I'm just trying to see what others think about it.
First couple of levels go up pretty quick in 5e. Things seem to even out and take longer and longer to level in our games. I like to incorporate and encourage the downtime rules which pads out an adventurer's carrier. Otherwise travel time is all that separates PCs from constant adventuring. I've been running a 5e group once a week for about a year now (until recently) and they made 5th level. Its a Night Below adaptation by the way!
@@christopherdecator9742 That's awesome that you are running Night Below too!
@@DungeonMusings I still have my old boxed set!
How many spells can a wizard learn at 1st level with a 16 Intelligence?
In AD&D 2nd edition, a wizard with a 16 Intelligence could know a maximum of 11 spells of each spell level. Full rules for how you learn spells, and how Int works with that, are in the 2e PHB.
@@DungeonMusings yep, found it....and there are 3 methods of how their beginning spells are located to a new player...per the DM guide if I understand it correctly.
@@jctxcboy36 Three options for the DM to select from, technically.
DM Kevin, I am starting a new 2e campaign in Greyhawk? Where would you recommend starting a Greyhawk campaign? Would you recommend any particular module?
Congrats on kicking off a Greyhawk campaign, Joseph! The module, as written, is quite a bit of a railroad and has a TON of block text, but I still really like the adventure "Patriots of Ulek" as a way to launch a Greyhawk game set after the Greyhawk Wars (it was published at the same time as the "From the Ashes" boxed set).
I am biased on this one, but "Night Below" can be set in Greyhawk and has a lot of ways that you can tweak the campaign to fit the sensibilities and needs of your table.
Finally, while it is written for 1e AD&D, "The Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh" can be a ton of fun and easily converted to 2e (as can the two follow-up modules, if you characters want to continue the story).
Hope that these help and congrats again for kicking off the campaign!
Love the video, sure do prefer Fantasy Grounds.....has a combat tracker that allows for an organized method for maintaining combat....more automation for the AD&D Ruleset
To each his own. I run a lot of different games, and find Roll20 much more amenable to that.
@@DungeonMusings Its all good, I tried Roll20 and then saw how more versatile FG was and switched over....Love the new Dynamic Lighting and Line of Sight Features.....keep making the videos....just rambling on my end...lol
@@DungeonMusings I do appreciate the responses though.....just wondering, does Roll20 allow or provide a method in using some of the original maps that came with the original version of Night Below?
@@jctxcboy36 You can load images into Roll20 (including scans taken from Night Below or recreations of them) and set them up as maps with dynamic lighting (you can see that feature in later sessions in this campaign).
@@jctxcboy36 Ha ha, no worries at all. Each VTT has its advantages and drawbacks, and I just find Roll20 works well for a game dilettante like me. :)
Anyone know where the bonus xp rules come from? I'd like to toss that into the campaign I'm starting for sure!
If you mean the class-based XP it is from the 2nd edition DMG (page 48 of the '89 edition and page 70 of the reprint edition, although there is a small change between the two, lowering the xp priests get from spells from 100 xp/level to 50 xp/level).
@@DungeonMusings Thanks, I've been going over a few retro clones to steal from, 2nd and 4th editions are my weak points for rules. I've really enjoyed your reviews and the night below game has been fun to watch as well!
s I w d c ch was the order I remember
Was that from white box D&D, Scooter?
@@DungeonMusings SIWDCCH was the standard order for all editions before 2nd... so white box, all versions of Basic, and AD&D 1e
Spot on!
loving this so far! Do you have a podcast version? would be great to listen to it while driving
Thanks, Lawrence, I am thrilled to hear you are enjoying it! While I do have a podcast (also called Dungeon Musings) it is new content, and not actual play material (though, I often discuss the campaigns I run on the TH-cam channel in my "State of Play" segments).
Q: 'You're an assassin. What do you do for a day-to-day?' A: Sword for hire? How about this: Got to let it flow all over ya like a midnight breeze, man, like 'I do a terrible job shoveling manure in a stables for some curmudgeon bastard who's got a coin stash in his cellar somewhere, and then once my mission is accomplished I leave town like the wind', or 'by word of my guild I have been installed in a longshoreman's position on the waterfront and wait for a particular shipment to come in, make a contact with the one-eyed half-orc, and then light the lantern.'
Your gonna play it 127 more times.
Very entertaining
Thanks for the kind words, Doug, glad you enjoyed it!
Wow 500 views. DM Kev the mighty Dungeon Musings channel could be three times as big if you ran DandD weekly?
I usually do 4d6 +2 on only two stats and roll 4 sets keep the best
Interesting! Is the 4d6+2 on only two stats and then the rest are 4d6 drop the lowest?
@@DungeonMusings yup
Magnifique
Thanks, Arnold!
Are your house rules the same as was used for Barrowmaze?
Yeah, same rules (though the ones from AD&D 2e Barrowmaze are about six or seven revisions newer).
@@DungeonMusings have you looked at the 5e version of Barrowmaze. Not sure which one to get. I am definitely a bigger fan of AD&D but I also enjoy running 5e also.
I like this and will continue watching. However, the dog would of alerted to anyone around.
What is the vtt used here?
We use Roll20 for this campaign.