Alaska Air once had a mountain crash and the scary part is that it is officially listed as a "controlled" crash since the NTSB said the crew was in charge and operation of the flight deck until the moment of the crash.
Make it like a flight attendant vlog. Show when you leave home, get to airport, pre-flight check, flight itself, hotel, etc. Basically the whole trip start to finish.
I have to agree with you on "reviewing" aircraft incidents. I like how Petter over at Mentour Pilot handles it by only presenting the facts as they are known at time and not making some wild ass guess to get views.
Yeah, Petter referred to this point in his livestream today. He understood and agreed with the sentiment, but at the same time said he hoped the comment was not directed to him specifically. I too like the way he only comments when a factual report is released, and then with a focus on interpreting the contents for people not in aviation.
@@mza_aecs if your question is why it's orange it's cause you can see it cause.. IT'S ORANGE. Try to find a black box in the deep ocean hahaha if that's not the question i don't know what the question is LMAO
Thank you for saying you don’t “review” crashes and people should wait for the full review to come out - I don’t think a lot of people understand it can take years to complete a crash investigation and just want to know immediately, and it sucks some people capitalise off of it.
Sully was a movie, it was exaggerated. The real Sully was never on trial. The inquiry never faulted him or tried to fault him for any part of the water landing.
This is very informative, Captain Joe! I also like the part that you said you can't make a video regarding the previous airplane crashed. You're really not just a great pilot/vlogger, but you're also a great man to understand the situation of the victims and their families. Gaining of respect is much more important than to have more views and attention from the public.
the reason for the black box in the back of a pane is the plane is usually going those dive into the ground or s mountain or anything not reverse thrust backwards into the ground, it’s very simple lol.
Sabeel Equbal WOW!!! Do me a favor and write me a message to my e-mail (you’ll find it on Instagram), cause I’d love to meet you and have an interview?!
Thank you, Captain Joe, for all the time and effort creating these videos for us to enjoy. They are always excellent and very informative CONTENT to engage the audience. This is one criterion the advertisers look for in a video.
For those of you who may be interested, Locomotives also have a Black Box in the "Nose" of the unit. Again, bright orange. It also collects any information about the train and the circumstances it is running in, as well as functionality to be downloaded on the fly remotely. It will also give audio from the exterior of the locomotive, which will give investigators noise cues. Finally it records the "Dashcam" facing outward, and inward if so equipped. Why in the nose? It is quite a strong section, similar to the tail portion of a plane, and also happens to be where most of the electrical control components are such as GE's Trip Op, The general engine management, and so on. It's almost like one big server box. In some Yard Locomotives, if so equipped, there will also be a Beltpack control box, where one can remote control the locomotive with a waist mounted box from a distance of 2 miles or so depending on geography.
@@HelloKittyFanMan. Im talking about the company Joe is talking about when he says that he and the captain were talking smack about the CEO and the captain told Joe to delete the recordings. ( as a joke)
Thank you for respecting the families of those who have died in plane crashes. This is another reason why I'm subscribed to you. Best aviation channel on youtube!
Thank you for this information Captain Joe! I always wanted to know why the FDR and FVR always survived a crash. Your explanation was detailed and excellent.
I'm always happy when I see my notification "Captain Joe uploaded a new video" :D Since my first flight (it was only 5 years ago, and I'm almost 36 :D ) I'm obsessed with flying and the aviation industry. I love every moment I can spend in the air and I want to know everything about this industry! I'm really happy I found your channel a bit more than 1 year ago! Keep it up!
I’ve always wondered why the data from the FDR and CVR isn’t instantly uploaded to something like a cloud server so that the data can be accessed immediately, without the need to go looking for a physical box which is not always able to be retrieved. You’d be able to review data in real time as well to problem solve issues in flight as the happened, from the ground
Chris Keen I asked this same question once before,.I don’t recall the answer i received. It definitely seems doable with today’s technology, and since it’s so important in finding the cause of crashes, it would seem incredibly desirable. I don’t think they found the CVR to the lion air 737 max8 yet.
Chris Keen In my trade there are many WIFI equipment,,but I am NOT ON THE BANDWAGON, as there have been hacking of 2 DIFFERENT CLOUD SYSTEMS, so it’s NOT there yet
It's an idea that has merit and has been getting some serious discussion recently. The main problem is the amount of data accumulation and storage you would need. At any given moment there are thousands of commercial airplanes in the air. Each one will require a continuous individual uplink to a satellite and then all that data has to go somewhere for storage. That's all going to require a very big investment to put it all in place.
They must be doing something like that now. I saw a show where the plane was contacted by the airline as it saw something wrong with the plane that the pilots did not see. I believe it was on the show Mayday
Why would people want to hear about plane crashes on a channel that describes how they fly? Being an engineering enthusiast, I much rather hear about how they work. BTW, nice video Captain Joe, I always like to learn about how commercial airliners work on the level they do.
The horrific part of air crash investigations is that they are typically done by professional aircraft experts and normally create much information about how systems operate. The unfortunate thing though is that a JAL lead mechanic was so horrified at the fact an unattended whistle for 7 years turned into a massive crash he just slit his belly in the traditional way a servant would amend for a mistake with his master.
there have been a lot of cases where investigators could not find the cause of an accident because electric power on the aircraft was lost (as far as i know, the backup power sources like the RAT or aircraft backup batteries do not feed the CVR/FDR, only the APU does) why dont the black boxes have backup batteries (inside the unit itself) that can allow it to continue recording for even just 5 or 10 minutes when primary power on the aircraft is lost
Joe, your videos are great, and we understand that in aviation you use pounds, feets and other weird measures, and yes, we can find it on the internet, but, please, could you also say those measures in "normal" metric units? this will make your great videos tiny bit greater :)))) Thanks!!!
During Tragic aircraft crash; Most. Aircraft to ground impact the tail section aft 48/49 partially tact while fuselage almost burned by fire or mangled. 1. By its color easy to be seen and retrieved by NTSB, preventing to be covered by other debris when it detached from airframe structure ,like luggages, cargo , parts, and pax dead bodies 2. Before a Crash , Pilots saves their lives first by pulling-up the yoke or pitch -up. - Nose dive crash ,cockpit crushed while. tail section is still in tact, - Glide approach crash , tail section will just detached from aft bulkhead strap ,hard metal casing will save the recorder.
Might be a specific question: I wonder how the timestamps of CVR and FDR are synced with each other and with an official time base. I guess this is really important to analyze the data and relate it to other sources like ATC, radar and eyewitnesses.
Lars the point of any dual recorder system is to first register what the flight crew was experiencing and the data from the information sheets and any information which could be taken from observing both data sets together.
I am 30 and have seen so many aeroplane crushed investigation vedio on TH-cam . After a while, I feel heart pain.Then i avoid those vedio .So I can feel the small percentage of heart broken story of plane crushed while the relative of plane crushed victim can feel all of those pain.Love to the people who have lost beloving family members and respect all pilots , having greatly responsible to passengers. thanks Capain Joe for your wonderful channel.
I think being an air crash investigator is an exciting job, having the challenge of putting the pieces of the puzzle back together again and see what it will tell you.
To all saying to stream data to the cloud or to Satellites: the limiting factor is Bandwidth, Rf Power, and most of all, security. Having the unit contained on a single craft prevents the data from being hacked easily, and it maintains the necessary bandwidth to pass all of the data variables to be recorded. To transmit to a satellite, requires either a lot of power spattered across the whole sky, or a directional antenna, same occurs for downlink to ground, for the necessary frequencies and bandwidth.
Hey Joe, any idea why this data isn't being live streamed to a ground station while the flight is going on?? Surely when you have 100-200 MBPS of bandwidth available for in-flight wifi for passengers, you can use it to stream all the flight info live.
@@flybyairplane3528 I do. The planes flying above ground can be provided with a network connection via ground-based stations, so there is no limit to the capacity or technology. As for above oceans, we just have to wait until satellites improve to the point where they can support thousands of planes.
ACARS is a system that checks the status of systems every 10 minutes for the purposes of wiring the ground support crew where they are going so they could have an opportunity if they could to get to whatever issues come up during flight. ACARS was not written for moment by moment commentary of flight for the purpose of automated transmission.
That must of been really really sad but try not to think of it and if you do try to think of the good memories you had with him/her. Also what kind of accident was it?
Thank you so much Captain Joe, for taking the time to explain where the Black Box is situated in the aircraft and the role it plays, if an aircraft crashes. It’s just a shame that the Black Box does not have a tracker so that the aircraft can be found as quickly as possible. I also believe that the Black Box has a long lifespan, but tracing and retrieving it after 30 days is difficult 😞
This was a very good video as always. Thank you. As for the "BLACK BOX". When I was in Naval training the instructor would diagram systems on the chalk board. When he came to a piece of electrical equipment whose function was either beyond the scope of the lesson, or classified above our clearance, it would simply be marked as BLACK BOX. I had always believed that this was also used in aviation. As in, all the wires go into the black box where magical things are done to preserve the necessary flight parameters.
If I recall the data was recorded on spools of steel wire. Not actual tape. This was to help preserve it in the case of a fire or extreme heat. It is also much easier to colecta spool of wire vs tape. Wire also does not wear our like tape either.
Love your videos Joe! I hope that in some years I can be your copilot flying the Queen of the Skies or any other plane. It must be lots of fun flying with you! Greetings from Bogotá, Colombia
Due to advancement of technology is there any plans to use a cockpit Video recorder in future planes. I sure there would be advantages of actually seeing the last moments of any accidents or seeing any wrong procedures done by the crew.
Why can't these recorders record both voice and flight data? Why do they need to be separate? Nothing wrong with having two recorders just have them do both in case one can't be found or destroyed. BTW I worked at a place that makes the steel body of these recorders years ago.
Pretty sure the first flight data recorders in use schedule in airline service was the UK & Australian developed Darvall Red Egg --- so called because of its Day-Glo red colour and shape which resembled a large version of metal cased oil filter on a 1960/70s car engine.. The development of the Red Egg was spurred on by the Comet 1 disasters the true cause of which was unknown for a considerable time after the crashes. To survive extreme heat the Red Egg used wire instead of tape as a recording medium. At the time the UK was ahead of the USA in this field as the American requirements which only specified a cockpit voice recorder.
Captain Joe, I would have thought that when you were discussing why the Black Boxes were located in the rear of the plane you would have mentioned the FAA Regulation that requires the ELT to located in the rear of the plane. FAA Regulation 91.207 Emergency locator transmitters, subparagraph (b) states: "Each emergency locator transmitter required by paragraph (a) of this section must be attached to the airplane in such a manner that the probability of damage to the transmitter in the event of crash impact is minimized. Fixed and deployable automatic type transmitters must be attached to the airplane as far aft as practicable.", for the same reasons you mentioned regarding the structural strength of the tail section of the aircraft. It only stands to reason that since the tail section is the strongest portion of the aircraft and the FAA requires ELT's to mounted there, that the installation of the Black Boxes would be in the same area for the same reasons.
The CVR does record for 2 hours as stated in the video, but a new FAA and EASA requirement (about 10 years ago) calls for the CVR to record for 10 additional minutes after power is lost. It does this by having its own battery that records an additional 10 minutes after power is lost.
Why manufactures is still making separate black boxes for data and voice? With today's electronics capabilities it would be not so difficult to make one black box for all information and just put two of them to the plane. By the way, thanks for the videos 😀
They could have two different boxes that records the same data, more useful. Also in addiction they could upload the data if there is an internet connection available, an airplane has WiFi for their passengers, why not reserve a small portion of bandwidth to transmit that data, it's not all that much I think, we are talking of audio that could be easily compressed and a bunch of data, probably it's insignificant.
A1eR ways to upload the data live are being developed but it is a large amount if data and you need to have a constant signal anywhere on earth in any condition
I often ask myself why aren't they monitoring cameras inside and (looking) outside the plane, which could be useful as flight data, not only in case of accidents, but to give the pilots a better look to what is going wrong with some parts of the plane that are visually inaccessible during the flight.
Joe, not sure if this would be relevant on this video but don't some airlines have their own technical information feed from airplanes where people on the ground get information about their given airplane and if there is an issue on board? I also heard that they are working on sending the blackbox data (Maybe not all of it but just some important details) over wifi or similar so that even if they can't find the black box they still have some data available.
I can just imagine that button shorting out during a crash and initiating the deleting of all the recordings... I'm sure the engineers thought about that and took measures to ensure it's unlikely to happen, but still.
@@Inspirement First: this button doesn't work inflight. The Aircraft must be on ground or the CVR ignores the input. Second: this button works with a certain sequence. So accidentaly pressing the button or a permanent short circuit won't do anything.
Most the electronic equipments of the aircraft BACK IN THE DAYS are actually components inside of an enclosed case with black finish to it. These equipments are called Line Replaceable Unit (LRU) which is a hardware to which every each one of them has its specific function. Some of the LRUs are Transponder, FDR, CVR, TCAS and FMC. All LRUs are pretty much Black Box eventhough nowadays we have a good variety of colours given. FDR and CVR are coloured orange for the ease of divers to locate the box glowiness when flashed with Blacklights. In Aviation, we are not supposed to call them Black Box because they can be anything. Hope this clears some confusion.
@3:13 > You are absolutley incorrect on saying todays FDR can record up to 1000 parameters. FDR data is divided up in Words and Subframes. A modern FDR will have up to 1024 Words Each Word has 4 subframes, each subframe has 12-16 bits (depending on the FDR). So theoretically each Word could record up to 64 parameters. Also, there is FAA and EASA requirements for how many samples per second a parameter MUST be recorded. So one parameter could use up to 8 Words of data. So a modern FDR can record way more than a 1000 parameters dependent on what is being recorded. There are 88 required parameters per FAA and EASA. Saying there are 88 required parameters is kind of a misnomer since, a required parameter such as Airspeed will have to be recorded from each Air Data Computer, so just this one required parameter of the required 88 would actually be up to 4 parameters. Same for most of the 88 required parameters.
I went to university for electrical engineering. One of the sample tests we would be asked to solve is that you are given a BLACK BOX, with unidentified electronic components inside, and you have to preform certain tests to determine which electrical components are in the box, and what configuration they were in. So the term "Black Box" simply meant "hidden" where you couldn't see exactly what was inside. I assume this evolved into the general term where "Black Box" simply means any metal box filled with electronic components.
I thought it was called black box from the engineering term for a unit that is specified by its inputs and outputs without regard to how this is achieved.
Sort of a black box was originally used for the mysterious boxes of any Radar or secret navigation or other electronic warfare device installed on RAF and Commonwealth aircraft in WW2. RAF slang was that Black Boxes were installed by "Boffins" and any fault in them or the aircraft was due to "Gremlins" .
Another posibility for the black boxes's name might come from engineering: A black box test is one where you are not allowed to see what's happening inside what you're testing, be it the parts of a machine or software code, only the output of the thing. Similarly, pilots don't need to see inside a black box to know the specifics of how it works, they only need to know that it is there and that it works.
One CFI told me to think of a black box as a device that runs "out of sight, out of mind"; it's just sits there, quietly recording data. Only interaction is preflight test and pulling the circuit breaker after an incident so that the recording won't get erased on the next loop. @Captain Joe - What are your thoughts on a cloud-based CVR, FDR in addition to the physical ones? Are any airlines using any such technologies now?
TonyP0927 I believe AIRBUS has some teletmerity , between aircraft, an their base inFRANCE, as was recalled with the A330, from Argentina to Paris, that went down in the ATLANTIC after a severe T/storm. Believe it may be AF441
Thanks captain for your information, i have been wondering in every air crash documentary i watch, all the black boxes retrieved are orange, now I know
Hi Captain Joe. Why can’t they just put some video cameras on the wings and perhaps inside the cockpit and record just like the Black Box does? We can have multiple SSDs so storage shouldn’t be an issue. This would give a much better idea of what happened to the plane.
@@flybyairplane3528 As the video would be saved to storage media in the "black boxes," it would not be important what happened to the cameras after a crash.
Why we can't load all data in some cloud server? Nowdays every data goes to cloud so I am surprised why not flight data recorder which is more critical.
Flying with Aeroflot was an experience that I will never forget. I don't know exactly what happened but for some reason, the PIC throttled up just a second before touchdown. I can only assume that he dropped below glide slope. Then, once on the ground, he performed the most violent speed brake I've ever experienced. Could it be that we were heavier than the crew had anticipated? In which case: 10/10 would do again.@@flywithcaptainjoe
@@JoakimFritz Aeroflot is known for higher speed landings so its nothing new, its enough to go to some airport and do some plane spotting, you will notice how aeroflot pilots are landing much faster than others
The origin of the term 'black box' is even older than WWII. The term is a modernization of the several hundred years old term 'black book', which indicates a book, or in the FDC and CVR cases, a box, in which one has written, or recorded, secret information that shouldn't be read by any other.
I think they haven't switched to cloud/online data storage due to reliability. The connection could be interrupted on upload loosing all the recorded data. The boxes we have now seem reliable, I haven't heard of one having unreadable data in modern days so if it ain't broke don't fix it.
The reason it's at the back of the plane is simple. When is the last time you heard of a plane backing into a mountain?
Alaska Air once had a mountain crash and the scary part is that it is officially listed as a "controlled" crash since the NTSB said the crew was in charge and operation of the flight deck until the moment of the crash.
Hehehe.. There is always tomorrow...
*Cough cough* tailstrikes from flying too low
Olli K This NOT funny respckt these humans
Airplane simulator Duhhh 😂😂
Nice to hear a Kennedy Steve classic pearl at the beginning of each video.
Istvan Knebli Make sure to watch next weeks’ video!
Captain Joe alright
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Hey captain joe, could you make a "day in the life" type video for one of your flights? It would be awesome to see.
Mitchell Barnes i second this!
Hell yeah
Make it like a flight attendant vlog. Show when you leave home, get to airport, pre-flight check, flight itself, hotel, etc. Basically the whole trip start to finish.
Same here
Hell yeah
I have to agree with you on "reviewing" aircraft incidents. I like how Petter over at Mentour Pilot handles it by only presenting the facts as they are known at time and not making some wild ass guess to get views.
Blancolirio is also very good at just presenting facts. He's a 777 FO.
747*
I agree
Yeah, Petter referred to this point in his livestream today. He understood and agreed with the sentiment, but at the same time said he hoped the comment was not directed to him specifically. I too like the way he only comments when a factual report is released, and then with a focus on interpreting the contents for people not in aviation.
Thanks Captain Joe, for the phrase "A good pilot is always learning". It motivated me to get back on track with school. I can't thank you enough.
+1 Respect for tasteful refusal to speculate on accidents!
Stuart W to SPECULATE IS STUPID.
BREAKING NEWS THE BLACK BOX IS ORANGE
MINDBLOWN HAHA
Tomek Gmurczyk orange is the new black
I have the same question
@@mza_aecs if your question is why it's orange it's cause you can see it cause.. IT'S ORANGE. Try to find a black box in the deep ocean hahaha if that's not the question i don't know what the question is LMAO
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You've got some great photos on Instagram ! Thank you Joe for your educational videos !
Topfelya and you have a fantastic profile picture😉
Nice talking
Hello yousef it’s means joe but in Arabic
And by brothers name is joe 😂😂🤣🤣
Thank you for saying you don’t “review” crashes and people should wait for the full review to come out - I don’t think a lot of people understand it can take years to complete a crash investigation and just want to know immediately, and it sucks some people capitalise off of it.
Sully was a movie, it was exaggerated. The real Sully was never on trial. The inquiry never faulted him or tried to fault him for any part of the water landing.
Adrian F. Long it’s Hollywood. But that scene is not a trail, but a hearing, in which Capt. Sully actually has attend to.
It can't just be a crash.It happend really soon to be a full 2 hour movie
@@DonFWDiego It was not a crash, he landed the plane on water.
@@YouPlague it can be called crash too :/ dunno why but it is what it is
Its not a trial. Its the insurance company trying not to pay for the plane. Did you miss half the movie?
Captain Joe
Best Pilot in TH-cam 2018 😎😎✈✈
Mkhulisi Simelane Very kind of you to say😉
what does the apu does in flight when it's on Captain Joe
+what the heck is going on? fuke apu stands for auxiliary power unit
@@ahmadtheaviationlover1937 oh
+2019
I've always jokingly been told that the reason the fdr is in the tail section is because you never hear of a pilot reversing into a mountain
Another awesome video one of the most intelligent and dignified hosts on TH-cam
Could you do a video on how pilots handle turbulence? I've always wondered what goes on in the cockpit while the plane gets thrown around.
This is very informative, Captain Joe! I also like the part that you said you can't make a video regarding the previous airplane crashed. You're really not just a great pilot/vlogger, but you're also a great man to understand the situation of the victims and their families. Gaining of respect is much more important than to have more views and attention from the public.
I respect you for not having videos on plan crashes. Some people forget that there are actually victims in these crashes.
This is the only reason why I love Thursdays
Erik Gómez 😉
Same
Erik Gómez Agreed
the reason for the black box in the back of a pane is the plane is usually going those dive into the ground or s mountain or anything not reverse thrust backwards into the ground, it’s very simple lol.
Sully is an excellent film, a perfect example of the black box in action like Joe said. Highly recommend watching it!
CaptainJoe I’m a 23 year old helicopter pilot serving in the Air Force.
You are my role model..
Love every video of yours.
Keep making them.
Sabeel Equbal WOW!!! Do me a favor and write me a message to my e-mail (you’ll find it on Instagram), cause I’d love to meet you and have an interview?!
Thank you, Captain Joe, for all the time and effort creating these videos for us to enjoy. They are always excellent and very informative CONTENT to engage the audience. This is one criterion the advertisers look for in a video.
For those of you who may be interested, Locomotives also have a Black Box in the "Nose" of the unit. Again, bright orange. It also collects any information about the train and the circumstances it is running in, as well as functionality to be downloaded on the fly remotely. It will also give audio from the exterior of the locomotive, which will give investigators noise cues. Finally it records the "Dashcam" facing outward, and inward if so equipped.
Why in the nose? It is quite a strong section, similar to the tail portion of a plane, and also happens to be where most of the electrical control components are such as GE's Trip Op, The general engine management, and so on. It's almost like one big server box. In some Yard Locomotives, if so equipped, there will also be a Beltpack control box, where one can remote control the locomotive with a waist mounted box from a distance of 2 miles or so depending on geography.
The dislikes have to from the CEO
Definitely the brass hats of the company.
The CEO of... what, Mark?
@@HelloKittyFanMan. The CEO of the company, Cargolux
@@a.emrecelik9507: Cargolux is just "the" company? What do you mean?
@@HelloKittyFanMan. Im talking about the company Joe is talking about when he says that he and the captain were talking smack about the CEO and the captain told Joe to delete the recordings. ( as a joke)
Thank you for respecting the families of those who have died in plane crashes. This is another reason why I'm subscribed to you. Best aviation channel on youtube!
agreed!
The black box was originally invented by Australian scientist David Warren
Yes ---- and only the Brits were interested in it.
Big respect for u for not doing crash analising and knowing why it is a bad idea. THUMBS UP!
I respect your last note about the air crash report.
it was very mature of you to say that you are not a crash investigator. now days everyone thin of himself as a specialist, Keep up the good work
Could you share some cockpit view videos (flight, approach, landing...) Please ! I'd like to see you land the 747!
Thank you for this information Captain Joe! I always wanted to know why the FDR and FVR always survived a crash. Your explanation was detailed and excellent.
As always, a great video! Thank you very much for all the hard work that you put into your videos, Captain Joe!
Evan McCotter Thanks Evan
I'm always happy when I see my notification "Captain Joe uploaded a new video" :D Since my first flight (it was only 5 years ago, and I'm almost 36 :D ) I'm obsessed with flying and the aviation industry. I love every moment I can spend in the air and I want to know everything about this industry! I'm really happy I found your channel a bit more than 1 year ago! Keep it up!
I’ve always wondered why the data from the FDR and CVR isn’t instantly uploaded to something like a cloud server so that the data can be accessed immediately, without the need to go looking for a physical box which is not always able to be retrieved. You’d be able to review data in real time as well to problem solve issues in flight as the happened, from the ground
Chris Keen I asked this same question once before,.I don’t recall the answer i received. It definitely seems doable with today’s technology, and since it’s so important in finding the cause of crashes, it would seem incredibly desirable. I don’t think they found the CVR to the lion air 737 max8 yet.
Chris Keen In my trade there are many WIFI equipment,,but I am NOT ON THE BANDWAGON, as there have been hacking of 2 DIFFERENT CLOUD SYSTEMS, so it’s NOT there yet
It's an idea that has merit and has been getting some serious discussion recently. The main problem is the amount of data accumulation and storage you would need. At any given moment there are thousands of commercial airplanes in the air. Each one will require a continuous individual uplink to a satellite and then all that data has to go somewhere for storage. That's all going to require a very big investment to put it all in place.
Cause some part of the globe don't have a reliable connection
They must be doing something like that now. I saw a show where the plane was contacted by the airline as it saw something wrong with the plane that the pilots did not see. I believe it was on the show Mayday
Your videos make me appreciate how much thought and engineering goes into these beautiful metal (and composite now) birds. Thanks a lot!
Why would people want to hear about plane crashes on a channel that describes how they fly? Being an engineering enthusiast, I much rather hear about how they work. BTW, nice video Captain Joe, I always like to learn about how commercial airliners work on the level they do.
The horrific part of air crash investigations is that they are typically done by professional aircraft experts and normally create much information about how systems operate. The unfortunate thing though is that a JAL lead mechanic was so horrified at the fact an unattended whistle for 7 years turned into a massive crash he just slit his belly in the traditional way a servant would amend for a mistake with his master.
I ain't no pilot but I know a lot about planes and facts about them and find this channel good.
Please, can you make a video, that will explain the windshear; how to avoid it, why it is dangerous?
Even I would love that. Thanks for asking that. Do you like infinite flight?
there have been a lot of cases where investigators could not find the cause of an accident because electric power on the aircraft was lost (as far as i know, the backup power sources like the RAT or aircraft backup batteries do not feed the CVR/FDR, only the APU does)
why dont the black boxes have backup batteries (inside the unit itself) that can allow it to continue recording for even just 5 or 10 minutes when primary power on the aircraft is lost
Joe, your videos are great, and we understand that in aviation you use pounds, feets and other weird measures, and yes, we can find it on the internet, but, please, could you also say those measures in "normal" metric units? this will make your great videos tiny bit greater :)))) Thanks!!!
Denis DRC You got it😉
During Tragic aircraft crash;
Most. Aircraft to ground impact the tail section aft 48/49 partially tact while fuselage almost burned by fire or mangled.
1. By its color easy to be seen and retrieved by NTSB, preventing to be covered by other debris when it detached from airframe structure ,like luggages, cargo , parts, and pax dead bodies
2. Before a Crash , Pilots saves their lives first by pulling-up the yoke or pitch -up.
- Nose dive crash ,cockpit crushed while. tail section is still in tact,
- Glide approach crash , tail section will just detached from aft bulkhead strap ,hard metal casing will save the recorder.
Might be a specific question:
I wonder how the timestamps of CVR and FDR are synced with each other and with an official time base. I guess this is really important to analyze the data and relate it to other sources like ATC, radar and eyewitnesses.
Lars the point of any dual recorder system is to first register what the flight crew was experiencing and the data from the information sheets and any information which could be taken from observing both data sets together.
@@martintheiss743 But he asked how they are 'synced'.
I am 30 and have seen so many aeroplane crushed investigation vedio on TH-cam . After a while, I feel heart pain.Then i avoid those vedio .So I can feel the small percentage of heart broken story of plane crushed while the relative of plane crushed victim can feel all of those pain.Love to the people who have lost beloving family members and respect all pilots , having greatly responsible to passengers. thanks Capain Joe for your wonderful channel.
Watching captain joe always makes me wanna go on holiday 🤣
I think being an air crash investigator is an exciting job, having the challenge of putting the pieces of the puzzle back together again and see what it will tell you.
0:39 He talking about AirAsia Indonesia that crash in West Java Sea.
Very detailed and great explanation! In layman terms for everyone to understand. I appreciate it.
I don't care what people says... ADD THE HUMP TO THE LOGO :(
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Erik Gómez I‘ll think about but wanna stay true to my old logo😌
@@flywithcaptainjoe If the reason why it's cause you wanna stay true to your old logo... i accept it hahaha
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To all saying to stream data to the cloud or to Satellites: the limiting factor is Bandwidth, Rf Power, and most of all, security. Having the unit contained on a single craft prevents the data from being hacked easily, and it maintains the necessary bandwidth to pass all of the data variables to be recorded. To transmit to a satellite, requires either a lot of power spattered across the whole sky, or a directional antenna, same occurs for downlink to ground, for the necessary frequencies and bandwidth.
Hey Joe, any idea why this data isn't being live streamed to a ground station while the flight is going on?? Surely when you have 100-200 MBPS of bandwidth available for in-flight wifi for passengers, you can use it to stream all the flight info live.
Mr Spooky do you realize how many planes there in the sky at any time of day/night ?
Doesn't ACARS do that?
@@flybyairplane3528 I do. The planes flying above ground can be provided with a network connection via ground-based stations, so there is no limit to the capacity or technology. As for above oceans, we just have to wait until satellites improve to the point where they can support thousands of planes.
ACARS is a system that checks the status of systems every 10 minutes for the purposes of wiring the ground support crew where they are going so they could have an opportunity if they could to get to whatever issues come up during flight. ACARS was not written for moment by moment commentary of flight for the purpose of automated transmission.
@@mrspooky497 they can receive data, but things get a lot more complex when all aircraft are broadcasting data back to the same center
5:30 Video is called: What's Inside A Black Box by What's Inside?
3:26 whenever i hear QZ8501, it reminds me of my very best friend that died because an accident
That must of been really really sad but try not to think of it and if you do try to think of the good memories you had with him/her. Also what kind of accident was it?
Massive props for respecting crash victims and their families
Captain Joe. Can you make a video about airplane headsets??
Thank you so much Captain Joe, for taking the time to explain where the Black Box is situated in the aircraft and the role it plays, if an aircraft crashes. It’s just a shame that the Black Box does not have a tracker so that the aircraft can be found as quickly as possible. I also believe that the Black Box has a long lifespan, but tracing and retrieving it after 30 days is difficult 😞
Amazing video joe! I love your content! I am 13 jears old i am from the netherlands soon i am starting my first gliding lessons!
Watching this guy will help you as a pilot. He knows a lot of the profession and if you end up working for KLM you will see what he sees.
Appreciate your integrity on so-called plane crash "review" videos
Captain Joe always has the best most informative Videos keep up the good work!
This was a very good video as always. Thank you. As for the "BLACK BOX". When I was in Naval training the instructor would diagram systems on the chalk board. When he came to a piece of electrical equipment whose function was either beyond the scope of the lesson, or classified above our clearance, it would simply be marked as BLACK BOX. I had always believed that this was also used in aviation. As in, all the wires go into the black box where magical things are done to preserve the necessary flight parameters.
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@@flywithcaptainjoe could you please think about a video on how pilots deal with DVT not getting them in their legs thanks
If I recall the data was recorded on spools of steel wire. Not actual tape. This was to help preserve it in the case of a fire or extreme heat. It is also much easier to colecta spool of wire vs tape. Wire also does not wear our like tape either.
IMRROcom but now they use memory cards, to avoid the tape problems., and the CVR used to be ONLY 30 seconds.
Love your videos Joe! I hope that in some years I can be your copilot flying the Queen of the Skies or any other plane. It must be lots of fun flying with you! Greetings from Bogotá, Colombia
At 8:38, I find it admirable that Captain Joe declines to comment on air disasters; the news media is bad enough.
I thought it was at the back "Because they never knowingly reverse into hills" - David Gunson
Due to advancement of technology is there any plans to use a cockpit Video recorder in future planes. I sure there would be advantages of actually seeing the last moments of any accidents or seeing any wrong procedures done by the crew.
Why can't these recorders record both voice and flight data? Why do they need to be separate? Nothing wrong with having two recorders just have them do both in case one can't be found or destroyed. BTW I worked at a place that makes the steel body of these recorders years ago.
With new digital recorders they probably COULD. However this all dates back to when it was just needles on a metal roll and old analogue tapes.
Pretty sure the first flight data recorders in use schedule in airline service was the UK & Australian developed Darvall Red Egg --- so called because of its Day-Glo red colour and shape which resembled a large version of metal cased oil filter on a 1960/70s car engine.. The development of the Red Egg was spurred on by the Comet 1 disasters the true cause of which was unknown for a considerable time after the crashes. To survive extreme heat the Red Egg used wire instead of tape as a recording medium. At the time the UK was ahead of the USA in this field as the American requirements which only specified a cockpit voice recorder.
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We love you too and three.
Captain Joe, I would have thought that when you were discussing why the Black Boxes were located in the rear of the plane you would have mentioned the FAA Regulation that requires the ELT to located in the rear of the plane. FAA Regulation 91.207 Emergency locator transmitters, subparagraph (b) states: "Each emergency locator transmitter required by paragraph (a) of this section must be attached to the airplane in such a manner that the probability of damage to the transmitter in the event of crash impact is minimized. Fixed and deployable automatic type transmitters must be attached to the airplane as far aft as practicable.", for the same reasons you mentioned regarding the structural strength of the tail section of the aircraft. It only stands to reason that since the tail section is the strongest portion of the aircraft and the FAA requires ELT's to mounted there, that the installation of the Black Boxes would be in the same area for the same reasons.
I didnt know they had Franklin D Roosevelts in planes.
rigor m you must be too young. FDRs plane raven had an elevator, to bring him aboard in his wheelchair.
The CVR does record for 2 hours as stated in the video, but a new FAA and EASA requirement (about 10 years ago) calls for the CVR to record for 10 additional minutes after power is lost. It does this by having its own battery that records an additional 10 minutes after power is lost.
Why manufactures is still making separate black boxes for data and voice? With today's electronics capabilities it would be not so difficult to make one black box for all information and just put two of them to the plane.
By the way, thanks for the videos 😀
They could have two different boxes that records the same data, more useful. Also in addiction they could upload the data if there is an internet connection available, an airplane has WiFi for their passengers, why not reserve a small portion of bandwidth to transmit that data, it's not all that much I think, we are talking of audio that could be easily compressed and a bunch of data, probably it's insignificant.
A1eR ways to upload the data live are being developed but it is a large amount if data and you need to have a constant signal anywhere on earth in any condition
I often ask myself why aren't they monitoring cameras inside and (looking) outside the plane, which could be useful as flight data, not only in case of accidents, but to give the pilots a better look to what is going wrong with some parts of the plane that are visually inaccessible during the flight.
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Please Captain Keep Producing new Videos Keeps inspiring me more and more 💕
It’s nice to know that Franklin D Roosevelt is on every flight, recording all the information on the plane.
Se germans :DD
Classic german accent.
Or as the Brits used to say: the jerries!
ze not se ! Learn yourself ein deutsch.
Reminded me of Snatch and Tommy with his gun :)
Gotta love Joe’s sense of humour with that. Brilliant guy
Joe, not sure if this would be relevant on this video but don't some airlines have their own technical information feed from airplanes where people on the ground get information about their given airplane and if there is an issue on board? I also heard that they are working on sending the blackbox data (Maybe not all of it but just some important details) over wifi or similar so that even if they can't find the black box they still have some data available.
Regarding the erase button in the cockpit, does that strike anyone else as a pretty big security risk?
yup!
I can just imagine that button shorting out during a crash and initiating the deleting of all the recordings... I'm sure the engineers thought about that and took measures to ensure it's unlikely to happen, but still.
@@Inspirement or a part of the plane falling on it during a crash
@@Inspirement First: this button doesn't work inflight. The Aircraft must be on ground or the CVR ignores the input.
Second: this button works with a certain sequence. So accidentaly pressing the button or a permanent short circuit won't do anything.
@@nihzit8185 good to know the people building the planes aren't stupid, lol.
Most the electronic equipments of the aircraft BACK IN THE DAYS are actually components inside of an enclosed case with black finish to it. These equipments are called Line Replaceable Unit (LRU) which is a hardware to which every each one of them has its specific function. Some of the LRUs are Transponder, FDR, CVR, TCAS and FMC. All LRUs are pretty much Black Box eventhough nowadays we have a good variety of colours given. FDR and CVR are coloured orange for the ease of divers to locate the box glowiness when flashed with Blacklights. In Aviation, we are not supposed to call them Black Box because they can be anything. Hope this clears some confusion.
When checking the vertical stabiliser, why can’t you just use the logo light instead of bringing a flashlight
Draavo Haha good idea😉
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@3:13 > You are absolutley incorrect on saying todays FDR can record up to 1000 parameters. FDR data is divided up in Words and Subframes. A modern FDR will have up to 1024 Words Each Word has 4 subframes, each subframe has 12-16 bits (depending on the FDR). So theoretically each Word could record up to 64 parameters. Also, there is FAA and EASA requirements for how many samples per second a parameter MUST be recorded. So one parameter could use up to 8 Words of data. So a modern FDR can record way more than a 1000 parameters dependent on what is being recorded.
There are 88 required parameters per FAA and EASA. Saying there are 88 required parameters is kind of a misnomer since, a required parameter such as Airspeed will have to be recorded from each Air Data Computer, so just this one required parameter of the required 88 would actually be up to 4 parameters. Same for most of the 88 required parameters.
Video on sea landing please, Captain.
I went to university for electrical engineering.
One of the sample tests we would be asked to solve is that you are given a BLACK BOX, with unidentified electronic components inside, and you have to preform certain tests to determine which electrical components are in the box, and what configuration they were in.
So the term "Black Box" simply meant "hidden" where you couldn't see exactly what was inside.
I assume this evolved into the general term where "Black Box" simply means any metal box filled with electronic components.
I thought it was called black box from the engineering term for a unit that is specified by its inputs and outputs without regard to how this is achieved.
Sort of a black box was originally used for the mysterious boxes of any Radar or secret navigation or other electronic warfare device installed on RAF and Commonwealth aircraft in WW2.
RAF slang was that Black Boxes were installed by "Boffins" and any fault in them or the aircraft was due to "Gremlins" .
Another posibility for the black boxes's name might come from engineering:
A black box test is one where you are not allowed to see what's happening inside what you're testing, be it the parts of a machine or software code, only the output of the thing. Similarly, pilots don't need to see inside a black box to know the specifics of how it works, they only need to know that it is there and that it works.
What does "Mayday" mean and what does it stand for? Please do a video on that :p.
NARDOX GAMINGX is this a bad joke? You can’t be serious, but then I believe you may be c child .
it doesnt Stand for Anything.
One CFI told me to think of a black box as a device that runs "out of sight, out of mind"; it's just sits there, quietly recording data. Only interaction is preflight test and pulling the circuit breaker after an incident so that the recording won't get erased on the next loop.
@Captain Joe - What are your thoughts on a cloud-based CVR, FDR in addition to the physical ones? Are any airlines using any such technologies now?
TonyP0927 I believe AIRBUS has some teletmerity , between aircraft, an their base inFRANCE, as was recalled with the A330, from Argentina to Paris, that went down in the ATLANTIC after a severe T/storm. Believe it may be AF441
Good video Cap. I like your videos everything is really interesting. i greet you from cali colombia. Sorry for my english.
yimmi favian mera You‘re English is Great! All good😉
Thanks captain for your information, i have been wondering in every air crash documentary i watch, all the black boxes retrieved are orange, now I know
Hi Captain Joe. Why can’t they just put some video cameras on the wings and perhaps inside the cockpit and record just like the Black Box does? We can have multiple SSDs so storage shouldn’t be an issue. This would give a much better idea of what happened to the plane.
Chinthaka Vithanage so then in a crash, where are all those LITTLE CAMERAS?
Agree with you. There should be numbers of cameras in key section in modern aircraft.
@@flybyairplane3528 As the video would be saved to storage media in the "black boxes," it would not be important what happened to the cameras after a crash.
Why we can't load all data in some cloud server? Nowdays every data goes to cloud so I am surprised why not flight data recorder which is more critical.
Nice when i grow up i want to be a pilot
I appreciate you Mr. Joe for the valuable information you provide us.
Thanks from Oman.
Oh my god)) Is it an AEROFLOT RUSSIAN AIRLINES AIRPLANE????
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Flying with Aeroflot was an experience that I will never forget. I don't know exactly what happened but for some reason, the PIC throttled up just a second before touchdown. I can only assume that he dropped below glide slope. Then, once on the ground, he performed the most violent speed brake I've ever experienced. Could it be that we were heavier than the crew had anticipated? In which case: 10/10 would do again.@@flywithcaptainjoe
@@JoakimFritz Aeroflot is known for higher speed landings so its nothing new, its enough to go to some airport and do some plane spotting, you will notice how aeroflot pilots are landing much faster than others
Your concept of not doing videos on air crash investigations is really lovely and this is the reason why I really respect you ❤️❤️❤️❤️💯💯💯💥
0:29...What happened to the colour? B&W......
jim gemmell mourning colors😑
Ah right....never thought of that....nice touch... 👍
The origin of the term 'black box' is even older than WWII. The term is a modernization of the several hundred years old term 'black book', which indicates a book, or in the FDC and CVR cases, a box, in which one has written, or recorded, secret information that shouldn't be read by any other.
damn joe nearly got them 10 minute mid rolls
Hey but, if there aren't any video being recorded, hence any film isn't needed, why is anything regarding light leaks should be concerned? 6:56
1. How much do they cost
2. Isn't it time for cloud recording already. They can be hard to locate, I'm guessing.
I think they haven't switched to cloud/online data storage due to reliability. The connection could be interrupted on upload loosing all the recorded data.
The boxes we have now seem reliable, I haven't heard of one having unreadable data in modern days so if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Excellent tutorial by Captain. Well explained.