If I find any updates/corrections as to tracking down the illustrator, I'll pin them below! The more this video gets shared and gets seen by more people, the closer we are to uncovering new information! Also, sorry for censoring some of the album art y'all, despite it not going against the rules (and it being used by others with no issue) the site still took issue with it for some reason. Hope y'all enjoyed regardless though!!🖤 And here's the artists featured as background music! Go support them if you want! Big Chef, Abuse, SkullXPiercer, Mikkerj, Sugar Wounds, Industrial Forest, & Haircuts for Men UPDATES/NEW DISCOVERIES: -The symbol in general can be found on the Sonik Lobotomy tape from 83, a whole 6 years prior to my discovery! There's conflicting info on whether or not it's bootleg artwork (there was no "official" release) so there's no certainty on the date the art was made, but its a safe bet that it pre-dates my findings! -Bruh I completely forgot to look at alternative Sore Throat artwork since they use an alternative, simplified version of the symbol on just about everything. BUT the specific illustration mentioned can be found on the inner/back artwork of their 1988 album Unhindered By Talent. Literally hiding in plain sight, somehow slipping by every source I could find lmao. The Art is credited to "Clown" which is a MASSIVE find, as well as providing vocals...however I cannot find any info on who that is exactly. None of the members are listed as having that as a nickname. Clown is listed as doing "All artwork" so it's a safe assumption the logo was from them (unless if the symbol was added as some sort of modern vinyl re-work?) Technically possible, but it's a safe bet we have found the actual origin!! And fun fact: the original symbol actually DOES utilize the empty space at the bottom! I had a hunch something was missing lmao - Sore Throat is most likely the origin of the specific illustration, but the copied version in current circulation is most likely a Magrudergrind rip THANK YALL FOR SHARING YOUR FINDINGS!! Any new discoveries, please let me know!
6:06 I know that Deche-Charge are using it in their logos and album slips since at least 1994. def not the originators but their vocalist is a mega nerd so he might be a good source for you. If you need help tracking him I can help. Also I'll have to look into my old tapes but I know there was a similar (but more rudimentary) symbol on albums from an old band from France (circa 1979) that were a big name in the anti-musique (anti-music 👻) mouvement of that era.
Well, Im an old ass grind dude. I used to play guitar for Eat the Living. We never used it but we did play with Bastard Noise and Phobia all the time. I first saw it around 92/93 and I think youre right. A bunch of us like Red Corps… the guitarist was in Homomilita who we also liked. I would ask someone from Deep Six or Slap a Ham if you can track them down. The first in the US I personally know of was Man is the Bastard. If I remember correctly, which I may not cause I’m 40 now, that Red Corps tape came out in 91’. Try to get ahold of Eric Wood. He may know.
I recently saw a guy with a shirt that just said „we make noise not clothing“ on the front and I couldn’t decipher the band name on the back so that’s promising
The first time I saw the symbol was around 1983-84. A friends older brother was a punk and he had loads of singles and demo tapes from bands from all over the world, and a few of them had it on the cover. He was really into the Anti-Music scene, and gave me a demo tape from a local band called Hoi Polloi, (not to be confused with Oi Polloi from Edinburgh) who used it as thier logo. I don't think they were the first to use it, because he had posters on his wall with the symbol that pre-dated the band by at least a year. As far as I remember, it originated in the very early Industrial/experimental music scene, with bands like Throbbing Gristle, Non, and Suicide. I don't think any of them have the symbol on thier official releases, but I definetly saw it on jackets and patches next to Swans and Neubauten pins.
Old thrasher here. In short, it was a ubiquitous thing that people, bands/tape traders/punks in general, would doodle/tag almost as an afterthought. I'm sure there was a "patient zero" who was the first to do it, but it was something that, post 1982, was quite common, whether it be a fast band or regular punk band (the fast bands of course drew them all the time), tape trader or occasional gig goer. It was kinda something that no one really thought about at the time, similar to circling an "a" as an anarchy symbol not so much as a statement, but out of habit.
I think this comment by @selfishfew sums it up. The symbol emerged organically out of the collective subconscious of the grind / punk / anarcho underground. It belongs to The People of the underground - so no need to consider "copyright" issues whatsoever.
Was about to mention this, but I couldn't find them using the symbol in the '60s, I think they probably just adopted it later on and didn't actually invent it. In the '60s they would plaster "NO" on all of their equipment and clothing, which is more in line with what would become no wave.
Fun and fascinating topic for the video. I also have a version of this tattooed on me, and I’m a music teacher. Haha A slight correction though: the symbol doesn’t feature grace notes, rather just two eighth notes. I often interpret the meaning of the symbol to be a plain and simple rejection of the traditional styles of music dominant in our society in addition to being a sign of empowerment. The eighth notes typically represent classical music or any other type stemming from “high culture.” By cancelling them out, we make a claim against the standardization and importance of western music(al notation). By stating it is in fact noise and not music, we empower our style(s) by reclaiming that word after it was/is used to discredit the legitimacy of the art. Now to go back to the idea of who made it and why don’t we know, I’m kinda thinking it was too basic of an idea to claim creative ownership. I’m thinking the first person was like, ‘Haha, sick,’ and didn’t think much past that.
1. great video 2. AMAZING graphic design detective skills, I've done the same before when I was younger with logos 3. we actually call it anti-sound here in Portugal 4. awesome longsleeves and 5. of course I also have this symbol tattooed hahaha. In my case, I asked Steve Crow AKA Malevolent Icons to do it in brutal death metal style for me
watching your videos feels like hanging out with just a really cool dude who has a love-language of info-dumping. I love you and you videos, and you make my brain happy.
I can probably add to this conversation haha, I ran a tiny label called Noise Not Music (the main one on Discogs) and took the name from Wolf Eyes track that was a cover of the d-beat No Fucker track from 2004. The symbol I used was one floating around on the internet though, it wasn't an official label ID or anything like that.
The first band I ever heard that had the symbol was Showbread, a genre that really got me thinking about how music could still be really interesting and even artistic in it’s sound.
NOT SURE HOW I STUMBLED OVER HERE, BUT IVE SEEN THIS SYMBOL ON EARLY FINNISH HARDCORE STUFF. CANT REMEMBER IF ITS RIISTETYT OR KAAOS OR WHAT BUT ITS ONE OF THE FIRST WAVE FINNISH HC BANDS WERE USING IT. I DONT HAVE TIME TO LOOK THROUGH RECORDS RN BUT I KNOW ITS IN ONE OF THOSE SOMEWHERE. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT ITS A DIRECT REFERENCE TO DISCHARGE NOISE NOT MUSIC, BUT I THINK THE DISORDER VERSION IS ACTUALLY A MUSIC NOTE BROKEN IN HALF OR SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT
10:42 Prince did 90+% of the work on his albums for so long that by the time he got to Lovesexy in 1988 he literally credited himself as "Prince: whatever"
Yo crustbag, I’ve been watching and enjoying your content for a minute. I’ve gotten a sense of your favorite metal musicians but I’m curious what noise/industrial artists you like? I’m partial to sutcliffe jügend, converter, lingua ignota, and merzbow myself.
Bry from DOOM (UK) was the first guy I knew that was using that symbol (along with 'Noise Annoys') - top or end of every letter, the demo tapes of Doom. He had it on his jacket, wouldn't be surprised if he had a tattoo of it. Around the same time (86/87) Napalm Death (Mick) used it a fair bit on the top of his tape trading lists. Could go on...
Noise not music was written on Discharge records.. and honestly may well have been a phrase employed by other UK / European punk bands from the late 70's .. an organic phrasing of cacophonous / unskilled playing of 2nd wave punk bands as a self own... the anti music note is such a literal visualization of the discharge slogan.. its gotta be a case of simultaneous invention from there.. I'm also pretty sure Disorder or Chaos UK used it early 80's... I mean "used" is a strong word.. its just a natural outgrowth.
Concern for who "invented" the version that was most clipped offline in the past 10-15 years is an ironic derangement of its origin beyond my capacity to process right now.
First time I saw it was ‘82 on a LÄRM demo… ultra fast Dutch HC who evolved into Seein Red, they used the Campaign for Musical Destruction phrase as well… way before Napalm Death. I didn’t read all these comments but I’m sure someone else remembers this!
I dont know What went First onany Boys or Napalm Death/Earrache but the Logo got used on the Flyers of the campaign for musical destruction since 92 a lot so i guess thats probably where its Main spread started. Also i found a Band called putrid cadaver on a ND Flyer from 89 that also used it on Their Tape artworks and Even in their logo in that year.
I mean it's not exactly easy to trace a copied symbol back to anybody. Think about the S drawing everybody does. Or the anarchy A. It's more so a quick doodle than a drawing and nobody trademarks doodles.
To me it seems like the anti music symbol is in the exact same vein as that six line diamond S that everyone drew on their high-school book covers in the 90s and 00s. That symbol had been lost to time and others have tried to source it, but ultimately it most likely an easy to draw symbol that gets the point across about what it stands for. I mean, A+ for effort, but it's really a question that has no answer.
I would suggest looking into (nihilist spasm band) as they have a logo almost identical to the noise not music logo and they started as early as 1965 in Canada but had connection to England,Japan, and America. Them being a noise band its not hard to believe they would have a punk/extreme music fan that made the symbol inspired but it
I saw a picture of Bill steer back in 1985 wearing the symbol in a jacket, also there is a concert ticket of napalm death from 1985 too which used this. Also the first band i can remember using this was Sore Throat in the inner sleeve of their 1989 lp "Disgrace to the corpse of sid"
Discharge was the first to use "Noise Not Music". No Fucker wrote a song "Noise Not Music" and both us (No Fucker) and Disclose played our own versions of the song on one of the Disclose/No Fucker splits ('04, titled Noise Not Music). As for the symbol, I have no idea. We never used it.
Grindcore as a culture is rooted in the anarchist leanings of crust, it makes sense that no one credits themselves for something like this. What are they going to do with a million shitnoise projects that have repurposed the logo for decades? I think it's also possible that it could have emerged simultaneously over the years without any direct influence since it's an easy design to represent "noise not music".
I saw Madrugergrind in Indonesia S.E.A. Tour 2008 that what sick fucking mind blowing song so fast and shortttt and so many people use anti note shirt hahaha and I came back to powerviolence gigs in 2011 to see Iron Lung, that fucking sick!!!!
yo what the actual fuck I was literally trying to research the symbol and the fuckin history of this shit like.. 2 days ago, and you JUST made this? mfer is reading the minds of his viewers. thanks for the video dude.
It might still be a dead end of a result but that's Clint from Death Agony and Screams (DxAxS grindcore) in Baltimore. He was in a few very good projects, especially Deceiver.
4:44 Timbaland not clearing a sample for a Nelly Furtado song with its demoscene artists Janne Suni and GRG (who were still active!) was such a dick move
Ask the guys from toxic narcotic. My house was repo'd and I lost my entire record collection but I'm pretty sure I saw that logo on a 1989 release by them...
Deve ter surgido no Brasil. As bandas punks não sabiam as notas musicais e tocavam muito barulhos. Aqui como registro brasileiro temos: Brigada do Ódio q surgiu antes do Napalm Death, e diversas outras bandas q talvez possam ter feito esta crítica a música e à harmonia musical e talvez tendo feito este protesto e produzido em algum material o símbolo da nota musical riscada.
The symbol isn't a grace note, it's an eighth note, something that is a lot more common than a grace note. I don't think that really changes anything, but It feels important. The symbol may have gotten mixed up because of the slash across the symbol makes an eighth note look like a grace note, because a grace note is written as a style of eighth note with a slash across it.
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If I find any updates/corrections as to tracking down the illustrator, I'll pin them below! The more this video gets shared and gets seen by more people, the closer we are to uncovering new information!
Also, sorry for censoring some of the album art y'all, despite it not going against the rules (and it being used by others with no issue) the site still took issue with it for some reason. Hope y'all enjoyed regardless though!!🖤
And here's the artists featured as background music! Go support them if you want!
Big Chef, Abuse, SkullXPiercer, Mikkerj, Sugar Wounds, Industrial Forest, & Haircuts for Men
UPDATES/NEW DISCOVERIES:
-The symbol in general can be found on the Sonik Lobotomy tape from 83, a whole 6 years prior to my discovery! There's conflicting info on whether or not it's bootleg artwork (there was no "official" release) so there's no certainty on the date the art was made, but its a safe bet that it pre-dates my findings!
-Bruh I completely forgot to look at alternative Sore Throat artwork since they use an alternative, simplified version of the symbol on just about everything. BUT the specific illustration mentioned can be found on the inner/back artwork of their 1988 album Unhindered By Talent. Literally hiding in plain sight, somehow slipping by every source I could find lmao. The Art is credited to "Clown" which is a MASSIVE find, as well as providing vocals...however I cannot find any info on who that is exactly. None of the members are listed as having that as a nickname. Clown is listed as doing "All artwork" so it's a safe assumption the logo was from them (unless if the symbol was added as some sort of modern vinyl re-work?) Technically possible, but it's a safe bet we have found the actual origin!! And fun fact: the original symbol actually DOES utilize the empty space at the bottom! I had a hunch something was missing lmao - Sore Throat is most likely the origin of the specific illustration, but the copied version in current circulation is most likely a Magrudergrind rip
THANK YALL FOR SHARING YOUR FINDINGS!! Any new discoveries, please let me know!
Sore throat also had it on the cover of the Aural Butchery tape in 1987
@@AcidTroop1996 The sources I provided pre-date that usage (:
6:06 I know that Deche-Charge are using it in their logos and album slips since at least 1994. def not the originators but their vocalist is a mega nerd so he might be a good source for you. If you need help tracking him I can help.
Also I'll have to look into my old tapes but I know there was a similar (but more rudimentary) symbol on albums from an old band from France (circa 1979) that were a big name in the anti-musique (anti-music 👻) mouvement of that era.
Wasn’t the original artist Hickory ChMickorie? He drew it when he was in sauce dog in vent vent.
Well, Im an old ass grind dude. I used to play guitar for Eat the Living. We never used it but we did play with Bastard Noise and Phobia all the time. I first saw it around 92/93 and I think youre right. A bunch of us like Red Corps… the guitarist was in Homomilita who we also liked.
I would ask someone from Deep Six or Slap a Ham if you can track them down. The first in the US I personally know of was Man is the Bastard. If I remember correctly, which I may not cause I’m 40 now, that Red Corps tape came out in 91’.
Try to get ahold of Eric Wood. He may know.
The real creators of the symbol were the friends we made along the way
Bro I love ur content
Page fire reference
Fukking Nerds 😂
Crossover we needed
Yo I love you
I recently saw a guy with a shirt that just said „we make noise not clothing“ on the front and I couldn’t decipher the band name on the back so that’s promising
i am here to let you know that i did not invent this symbol, just thought it might be useful to know
😭
Me too, just in case anyone was wondering.
And here I thought it was totally you, aww shucks...
It was me
Yeah, you can also cross me off the list. If maybe that’s helpful.
The first time I saw the symbol was around 1983-84. A friends older brother was a punk and he had loads of singles and demo tapes from bands from all over the world, and a few of them had it on the cover. He was really into the Anti-Music scene, and gave me a demo tape from a local band called Hoi Polloi, (not to be confused with Oi Polloi from Edinburgh) who used it as thier logo. I don't think they were the first to use it, because he had posters on his wall with the symbol that pre-dated the band by at least a year. As far as I remember, it originated in the very early Industrial/experimental music scene, with bands like Throbbing Gristle, Non, and Suicide. I don't think any of them have the symbol on thier official releases, but I definetly saw it on jackets and patches next to Swans and Neubauten pins.
It's always a brother of a friend who got the most obscure stuff
new crustbag content is whats keeping me alive
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my great great grandfather actually has a cassette from when he immigrated in 1815 with a crayon drawing of an early depiction so actually i win
this actually checks out because crayons appear in literature as early as 1813 in Jane Austen's "Amelia Bedelia Chalks One Up"
Gay. Jesus actually carved it inside his tomb before he was resurrected. With his wiener
I'm pretty sure cassette tapes didn't exist in 1815?? Like bruh, what!?
Old thrasher here. In short, it was a ubiquitous thing that people, bands/tape traders/punks in general, would doodle/tag almost as an afterthought. I'm sure there was a "patient zero" who was the first to do it, but it was something that, post 1982, was quite common, whether it be a fast band or regular punk band (the fast bands of course drew them all the time), tape trader or occasional gig goer. It was kinda something that no one really thought about at the time, similar to circling an "a" as an anarchy symbol not so much as a statement, but out of habit.
I think this comment by @selfishfew sums it up. The symbol emerged organically out of the collective subconscious of the grind / punk / anarcho underground. It belongs to The People of the underground - so no need to consider "copyright" issues whatsoever.
Coffin nail on the head there mate. Good answer
The Nihilist Spasm Band was using a crossed out music symbol as early as the late 1960s. It can be credited to their band member John Boyle.
Although I'm sure that's true, I can't find its usage on their discography artwork prior to 2012
Was about to mention this, but I couldn't find them using the symbol in the '60s, I think they probably just adopted it later on and didn't actually invent it. In the '60s they would plaster "NO" on all of their equipment and clothing, which is more in line with what would become no wave.
@@kelechi_77yeah when I think of them I automatically think of the No Wave scene
Fun and fascinating topic for the video. I also have a version of this tattooed on me, and I’m a music teacher. Haha
A slight correction though: the symbol doesn’t feature grace notes, rather just two eighth notes.
I often interpret the meaning of the symbol to be a plain and simple rejection of the traditional styles of music dominant in our society in addition to being a sign of empowerment.
The eighth notes typically represent classical music or any other type stemming from “high culture.” By cancelling them out, we make a claim against the standardization and importance of western music(al notation).
By stating it is in fact noise and not music, we empower our style(s) by reclaiming that word after it was/is used to discredit the legitimacy of the art.
Now to go back to the idea of who made it and why don’t we know, I’m kinda thinking it was too basic of an idea to claim creative ownership. I’m thinking the first person was like, ‘Haha, sick,’ and didn’t think much past that.
Couldn’t agree more! Your interpretation of the symbol is precisely why I use it as well.
1. great video
2. AMAZING graphic design detective skills, I've done the same before when I was younger with logos
3. we actually call it anti-sound here in Portugal
4. awesome longsleeves
and 5. of course I also have this symbol tattooed hahaha. In my case, I asked Steve Crow AKA Malevolent Icons to do it in brutal death metal style for me
watching your videos feels like hanging out with just a really cool dude who has a love-language of info-dumping. I love you and you videos, and you make my brain happy.
I can probably add to this conversation haha, I ran a tiny label called Noise Not Music (the main one on Discogs) and took the name from Wolf Eyes track that was a cover of the d-beat No Fucker track from 2004. The symbol I used was one floating around on the internet though, it wasn't an official label ID or anything like that.
this type of content makes me feel alive
The first band I ever heard that had the symbol was Showbread, a genre that really got me thinking about how music could still be really interesting and even artistic in it’s sound.
Yesss time 4 crust
NOT SURE HOW I STUMBLED OVER HERE, BUT IVE SEEN THIS SYMBOL ON EARLY FINNISH HARDCORE STUFF. CANT REMEMBER IF ITS RIISTETYT OR KAAOS OR WHAT BUT ITS ONE OF THE FIRST WAVE FINNISH HC BANDS WERE USING IT. I DONT HAVE TIME TO LOOK THROUGH RECORDS RN BUT I KNOW ITS IN ONE OF THOSE SOMEWHERE. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT ITS A DIRECT REFERENCE TO DISCHARGE NOISE NOT MUSIC, BUT I THINK THE DISORDER VERSION IS ACTUALLY A MUSIC NOTE BROKEN IN HALF OR SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT
RIISTETYT ARE GREAT
UK band The Mental used a similar symbol (minus the circle around the note) on their 1979 debut EP, Extended Play E.P..
this should be pinned
Yeah this has to be the earliest use
10:42 Prince did 90+% of the work on his albums for so long that by the time he got to Lovesexy in 1988 he literally credited himself as "Prince: whatever"
1000% not surprised that Relapse wouldn't talk to you. They're too afraid it might compromise their money machine.
Sick video, really enjoyed watching. Also noticed our Many Blessings footage in the background, thanks so much for using it!
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO !!!
Yo crustbag, I’ve been watching and enjoying your content for a minute. I’ve gotten a sense of your favorite metal musicians but I’m curious what noise/industrial artists you like?
I’m partial to sutcliffe jügend, converter, lingua ignota, and merzbow myself.
Bry from DOOM (UK) was the first guy I knew that was using that symbol (along with 'Noise Annoys') - top or end of every letter, the demo tapes of Doom. He had it on his jacket, wouldn't be surprised if he had a tattoo of it.
Around the same time (86/87) Napalm Death (Mick) used it a fair bit on the top of his tape trading lists.
Could go on...
Disorder from the UK has been using that symbol since the early 80s. Discharge also used it around the same time period.
I was writing to Mick Harris (ND) in ‘87/‘88 and he’d draw the symbol in his letters
Noise not music was written on Discharge records.. and honestly may well have been a phrase employed by other UK / European punk bands from the late 70's .. an organic phrasing of cacophonous / unskilled playing of 2nd wave punk bands as a self own... the anti music note is such a literal visualization of the discharge slogan.. its gotta be a case of simultaneous invention from there.. I'm also pretty sure Disorder or Chaos UK used it early 80's... I mean "used" is a strong word.. its just a natural outgrowth.
Concern for who "invented" the version that was most clipped offline in the past 10-15 years is an ironic derangement of its origin beyond my capacity to process right now.
@@StruggleoftheOutsider yeah seriously... these 2000s shitty metal-core-grind bands have nothing to do with this.. Simulacra....
First time I saw it was ‘82 on a LÄRM demo… ultra fast Dutch HC who evolved into Seein Red, they used the Campaign for Musical Destruction phrase as well… way before Napalm Death. I didn’t read all these comments but I’m sure someone else remembers this!
Another archival type of video; I love this specific niche topic. Keep making these types of videos it’s rad. Also- crediting artists IS important!
I dont know What went First onany Boys or Napalm Death/Earrache but the Logo got used on the Flyers of the campaign for musical destruction since 92 a lot so i guess thats probably where its Main spread started.
Also i found a Band called putrid cadaver on a ND Flyer from 89 that also used it on Their Tape artworks and Even in their logo in that year.
I mean it's not exactly easy to trace a copied symbol back to anybody. Think about the S drawing everybody does. Or the anarchy A. It's more so a quick doodle than a drawing and nobody trademarks doodles.
This symbol was on the record label of the Utopia Banished album from Napalm Death released in 1993.
You should try to contact Jan from Agathocles. Also there is a chance it came from Japanese noise.
To me it seems like the anti music symbol is in the exact same vein as that six line diamond S that everyone drew on their high-school book covers in the 90s and 00s. That symbol had been lost to time and others have tried to source it, but ultimately it most likely an easy to draw symbol that gets the point across about what it stands for.
I mean, A+ for effort, but it's really a question that has no answer.
It's always good when the crustbag gets my bag crusty
discharge was the first band to say we make noise not music but they didnt make the symbol
Creativite video topic ⚔️ and shoutout for the journalistic undertaking even if it didnt yield the most definitive conclusion
There's a band from the 80s called sore throat and they used the symbol on their early albums in 87.
2:53 didn't expect a polish band to be the first that used this symbol damn im so oddly happy about that (im from poland)
I’ve been into Noise since 1997, but this is the first time I’ve seen this symbol!
I always wondered where that came from most handy channel on TH-cam thanks crustbag
I don't know about the symbol but Rainy (Discharge) told either Sounds or the NME that they made noise, not music ... or so he told me!
I'm sure I've seen the no-smoking style cross out used by Nihilist Spasm Band, and they go back to the 60s.
this is like the smelly version of defunctland's video about the disney channel jingle
🤘🏻💀🤘🏻
Long live noise,and long live noise rock.
I would suggest looking into (nihilist spasm band) as they have a logo almost identical to the noise not music logo and they started as early as 1965 in Canada but had connection to England,Japan, and America. Them being a noise band its not hard to believe they would have a punk/extreme music fan that made the symbol inspired but it
I saw a picture of Bill steer back in 1985 wearing the symbol in a jacket, also there is a concert ticket of napalm death from 1985 too which used this.
Also the first band i can remember using this was Sore Throat in the inner sleeve of their 1989 lp "Disgrace to the corpse of sid"
Discharge was the first to use "Noise Not Music".
No Fucker wrote a song "Noise Not Music" and both us (No Fucker) and Disclose played our own versions of the song on one of the Disclose/No Fucker splits ('04, titled Noise Not Music).
As for the symbol, I have no idea. We never used it.
ive been wanting to know this so this is a good time
LADIES AND GENTLE MEN ITS TYLER TIME
I"m still waiting for my project getting mentioned for having anti-music symbol on the logo 😢
Grindcore as a culture is rooted in the anarchist leanings of crust, it makes sense that no one credits themselves for something like this. What are they going to do with a million shitnoise projects that have repurposed the logo for decades? I think it's also possible that it could have emerged simultaneously over the years without any direct influence since it's an easy design to represent "noise not music".
100%
Napalm Death featured this symbol on the merchandise on the "Campaign for musical destruction" tour in 1992.
Bro you gained a sub just because of that "or you can also do nothing" at the end 😂but also brilliant video might as well say while I'm commenting
Hens are just fat chickens
Well....my tattoo is of a slimy, sludgey, goopy version
I saw Madrugergrind in Indonesia S.E.A. Tour 2008 that what sick fucking mind blowing song so fast and shortttt and so many people use anti note shirt hahaha and I came back to powerviolence gigs in 2011 to see Iron Lung, that fucking sick!!!!
Not sure if my comment was deleted. My vote goes to Nihilist Spasm Band, circa late 60s early 70s.
Got it on my face. This piece is timeless and beautiful.
First time I saw this logo, it was by Deche-Charge, that you showed, a local band here in Québec City, Canada.
Dude, what about the album cover of Aural Butchery by Sore Throat, dated 1987?
Once again , the updates pre-date that information
@@crustbag missed the comment, thanks
Are we talking Merzbow, or Arvo Zylo - type stuff? Because you list Napalm Death which is very melodic
yo what the actual fuck I was literally trying to research the symbol and the fuckin history of this shit like.. 2 days ago, and you JUST made this? mfer is reading the minds of his viewers. thanks for the video dude.
The Punk Band - Disorder - also used this logo back in the years.. 🙏🏻 great topic
*Make No!se - Not Music*
glad you included sulfuric cautery
I sure hope you're selling that "powerviolence band name" shirt.
It might still be a dead end of a result but that's Clint from Death Agony and Screams (DxAxS grindcore) in Baltimore. He was in a few very good projects, especially Deceiver.
You rock. I'm gonna listen to Magrudergrind for the first time in ages now.
LARM - CAMPAIGN FOR MUSICAL DESTRUCTION IS THE 1RST BAND I EVER SAW USE THIS. THAT WAS MOST DEF B4 89. THEY STARTED IN 1984
shout out my homeboys in toxic wizard. our jam space we share smells like shit.
It does
grace notes are actually awesome tho. If you don’t understand them you should look into it. They’re super easy to use and sound great.
4:44 Timbaland not clearing a sample for a Nelly Furtado song with its demoscene artists Janne Suni and GRG (who were still active!) was such a dick move
this is so fucking cool i love this nerdy shit
awesome vid! any idea why magrudergrind adds the ohm symbol? always wondered, but never found any answers myself
if the first was in 1989 you should see sore throat album called Aural butchery in 1987
Lol good intro there, imma have to ask someone about noise music next time they say that
Skye from issues has this tattooed on his wrist. I asked him "what's wrong with 1/8th notes?"
Ask the guys from toxic narcotic. My house was repo'd and I lost my entire record collection but I'm pretty sure I saw that logo on a 1989 release by them...
I have heard a similar thing about the recycling symbol.?.? No one really knows who invented it and/or who drew it first...
Sore throat in 80s unhindered by talent lp on meantime records
And discharge used saying noise not music had T-shirt in early 80s with it on the back . Up the punx
Deve ter surgido no Brasil. As bandas punks não sabiam as notas musicais e tocavam muito barulhos. Aqui como registro brasileiro temos: Brigada do Ódio q surgiu antes do Napalm Death, e diversas outras bandas q talvez possam ter feito esta crítica a música e à harmonia musical e talvez tendo feito este protesto e produzido em algum material o símbolo da nota musical riscada.
good job Crusty, this video really hits my give
look mom, the funny man on youtube is here again
Yo great video bud I also have a crossed out music note and was in an underground grindcore band faction disaster hails and cheers
Appreciate the effort, you did good.
I remember seeing the sign on Napalm Death flyers circa 1987
Neil Breen wouldn't understand the point you made at 10:41 about not crediting yourself for your own work. God bless that man and his films.
Nobody here knows who Neil breen is
The symbol isn't a grace note, it's an eighth note, something that is a lot more common than a grace note. I don't think that really changes anything, but It feels important. The symbol may have gotten mixed up because of the slash across the symbol makes an eighth note look like a grace note, because a grace note is written as a style of eighth note with a slash across it.
This symbol was used in punk in the 80s. One of the band members just copied a badge or patch with the symbol.
That band from orange county @4:11 is called Bridge. Toured with them once in 2013. They would contact NatGeo trust me lmao 🖤
Bridge slaps
Absolutely amazing video! i also had literally no clue that you made music lol. any additional information on that?
wow when did you begin your transition congrats
Just saw Escuela Grind twice
Fucking sick show
I'm sure they're were noise artists in the early eighties? Preferably from Japan
I accidentally paused the vid at 4:20, just wanted to say that
Lovin the Bimbos cameo at 1:58 solid homies
I think HATSKRØMTS - METHCRUSH is the most fitting video released on grindwar
Loved the video, also have the logo rated on my belly
noise 🔛🔝
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