50:30 -- "The Saudis ~do~ care about mental health because, technically Monte, you can't have mental health if you don't have a head." Thorin is a national treasure.
ok but like, thorin is the french fries of league creators. he goes with everyone, he just makes everyone more enjoyable to watch. wouldnt be super interested in watching him solo, but will watch him with basically anyone else, even if i hate them, he just makes it so good i like monte btw
People called JDG meta proof last year but in a actuality there were some noticeable holes (Azir), but looking at this GENG roster they actually are meta proof, the AP jungle meta didn’t come into affect until MSI, they went 17-1 in spring and didn’t drop a series in playoffs in a tank jungle meta. You look at Kiin, arguably the most flexible top of all time, Carries, tanks, AD or AP. Canyon, the best carry JG of all time and has really come into his own on tanks. Chovy, like serious what’s scarier his ASol and Azir or Yone and Corki. Peyz has fathered Guma and Viper in every hyper carry meta to date, and has incredible weak side pocket picks. Lehends is just so incredibly flexible and good at everything, not even Yuumi can stop him because of his Singed
Peyz is worst than both Viper and Guma have you watched them. Peyz shines cause he plays in the perfect team. Look at vipers team and T1 do not play for botlane so how can Guma really shine.
45:00 I felt like Monte was directly attacking a lot of my classmates from college here haha. I'm really glad I bounced out of thinking I could do fanart for a living, and did something marketable.
I am really tired of all-inclusive tournaments where over half the matches suck. Why can't we just have at least one tournament with the exclusively best teams in the world?
10:00 i hope GenG can golden road, also i don't know why NONE of the casters or talent at MSI ever once mentioned Chovy laying the first brick of the golden road with the golden left hand of Knight or some shit, would have been such an epic call.
Faker can win 2 worlds in a row without a super team (these two dont rate the players in that team either) but Chovy winning with a giga super team is suddenly contending to become the GOAT. This is literally the first year after 2020 that he has shown a good performance internationally.
I dont agree with the take that anyone should take the bag, how can you advocate for that? Sure it makes sense logically, but morally it is reprehensible. Yes it is hard to decline the bag, but so are many decisions in life where it is easier to just do something morally corrupt instead of doing the right thing.
Just a request as a Canadian I would like to be able to use your guys coupon codes but they typically don't work in Canada. Not sure if there's a anything you can do on your part.
45:27 spitting hard facts I never understood why this was the norm especially in a field that’s primary focus is content/entertainment. Very few are proactive on their own time growing their brand and wow crazy they benefit a lot from it (caedral most obvious example)
there's a bit of irony that dgon, someone who host a show in lfn. is taking the saudi bag while the 2 other shows openly shits on saudi. just shows how important/tempting that bag is.
1:39:15 i was just thinking yamato could do voice of yamato on lfn (after watching best damn league show) and have it have different guest interviews. maybe a monthly or bi weekly show.
How's this roster doing... not lower than 3rd place at any event for the last 3 yrs.... we r very spoiled. Yall really make yall whole platform off being haters.
All while being DDoS’d non stop for the past 6-8 months and while competing in every single international tournament and being in every LCK final, never placing worse than 3/4 in the international tournaments. Most teams would sell their left nuts for results like this.
@@MrDespisedIcon I get they hate t1 fans but they are going too far the other way. They are just constantly trying to downplay T1 for 2 years when they have been the overall best team on average for the past 2 years. All while GenG assembles the 3rd iteration of their super team. These two say they love players that perform under pressure while being Chovy fanboys when Chovy was the no1 reason for their loss against both BLG series last year and also being GAPPED in 2022 worlds vs DRX. I agree Chovy has been the overall best midlaner for few years but has been choking internationls for the past 2 years. The double standards are unreal with these 2.
@@davienssprime123 If chovy was the no1 reason they lost to BLG at worlds, Faker is the no1 reason why t1 hasn't won every single split and worlds. Also chovy got gapped in worlds vs DRX but Faker got gapped even harder, rewatch world finals and you will see it was Faker who played worse than Zeus. Also saying 2023 Geng is a superteam is the most deranged thing when by definition you can't be a superteam with an unproven rookie player. Going into every single LCK split for the past 3 years T1 was by the majority the favorite to win, 2023 GenG were expected to be a 4-5th place team just go back and watch the preseason rankings so saying T1 is losing to superteams is just false they lose because Chovy shits on Faker. Also T1 failing to win titles when their fans claim they are the best team in the world with the 5 best players is a disappointment especially when BLG beat them playing the worst they played all year and when they spent by far the most money in the offseason.
@@davienssprime123 How has “the best overall team in the last 2 years” lost literally all 4 lck splits in the time span to geng? Specially now that geng are MSI champs I fail to see how anyone could argue that T1 has been better in the last 24 months.
Faker being bad that whole poby year is so false. He was having an all time best spring split for himself, then in summer he was dealing with carpel tunnel after MSI and was clearly not the same. I don't think you can honestly say that it isnt fucking impressive for T1 to go from barely getting into playoffs, to making it through to the LCK finals, and then winning worlds. That is fucking impressive.
never understood why public figures cant get a part time job? If your only getting one or two days a week of work casting(or writing or acting to cover another similar industry) then u clearly have free time to work almost full time at a restaurant or department store or gas station etc. i live in the city and pay my bills as an assistant manager at a convience store. not like a i have tons of disposable income but my bills are covered
2:18:42 Biggest dropoffs in the history of LoL? bengi winning Worlds 2016 then immediately getting relegated in China. MaRin winning Worlds 2015 then immediately playing relegations in China. Bang playing all those years on SKT and immediately going 10th on 100T, same for Wolf except he went to TURKEY and couldn't win there. Zeus, Oner, Gumayusi and Keria dominating the LCK then being by far the worst team in the league with Poby. I wonder what all these players (frauds) have in common?
Zeus got gapped by kingen because I’m sure in comms it went like him saying “don’t worry about banning aatrox I’ll counter it” into losing game 5 of the worlds to drx so hard to it.
Peyz is a solid secondary carry. Viper would of course be an individual improvement but history has shown us having a hard carry player in every role has been a problem.
@@roachdoggjr4648you can make that argument for ruler, but I’m sorry viper plays everything. He has to be the main carry because the rest of hle is not to be trusted. When he won worlds with edg he had flandre and scout who both were playing champs like jayce azir and all taking ressources. So no I completely disagree.
42:18 i agree completely the "mental health" point some of the talent tried to make to justify them going was in such bad faith. it is a selfish mental health point because it only regards their own, while disregarding the same sentiment for people in much worse conditions; making it impossible for it to be a true values stance for them and an obvious PR/ latching onto an important topic for sympathy, have some real "mental health/wellness" and RESILIENCE and personal accountability and you won't make these soft ass pleas and concessions or cope in a weird way. ffs.
Every time you mention a golden road it is less likely to golden road skt was supposed to golden road g2 was supposed to golden jdg was supposed to golden road GENG is supposed to golden road
Eh. People only said T1 should golden road because they won worlds, but forget to mention that was their only win in like 2 years. JDG Probably golden roads it if faker doesn't take out his anger on rulers varus. It's still unlikely GenG golden road, but considering the fact they seem to only be getting better, they have the best player in the world currently and T1/BLG both look worse than they did prior, definitely have a chance. In the end of the day, bringing up the golden road gets clicks
The KSA thing seems a little "pick and choose" with morality considering domestic suffering, GRANTED our federal governments arent investing in esports competition (Military branches do have sponsorships of specific teams).
I think toxicity is big in league cause they don't actually punish you for it. If I'm spamming the n word I should just get banned from the game. You get muted for like 3 games that's not a punishment.
My point of vu in the EWC, if you don't get mad at your own government accepting money from Saudi, if you don't get mad at big sporting events, celebrities accepting gift and money from Saudi. Please don't get mad at those orgs and specially those casters who are just trying to make a living.
It's not just about taking the money. It's virtue signalling for years on social media and then taking the bag that irks people. By all means take the money just don't piss on my face and call it rain
i guess saudis didnt give ur show a money so that's why u are mad about them it's hard to respact our culture and roles even if we pay u. ppl getting greedy this days :/
Using the word "culture" to justify human violation is still unethical. Beside if you want them to respect your culture, then you should also accept that Jesus is a God 😂😂😂.
@@chronoshift1423 U are here who attack me not me xd i guess u have allot to learn idc even if u pray to a cow not my business as i said and every country makes vioolation but i guess u are sleeping or playing lol at media
LiV golf turned out great and all these already super rich golfers decided to take that Saudi money and forfeit their right on the PGA Tour. Guess what happened fans? Now we have two premiere league of golf that are pushing the limits and raising the level of competition across the board. Instead of JUST ONE league telling what to do with our hard earned money. Just like.... 👊 Turns out blood is on ALL money. Give me the bag. I don't care.
Kanye used to have so much personality, soul, and character in his music, which helped balance out his insane ego. Nowadays, especially, it's entirely ego and distasteful antics left and right with no redeeming qualities. Vultures just screams sex and porn addiction, it has some decent sounds sonically, but it's an awful listen from a content standpoint. Not to mention Kanye constantly whoring out his wife publicly, making her walk around practically nude for his own ego, AND the anti semitism. I was never even one of the OG Kanye haters. I enjoyed most projects up to and including Donda. But it's impossible to defend that man these days, especially when his bullshit permeates the music so much.
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I know this is going to be a banger, already liked, shared, told my dog and visited my aunt to tell her about this video
50:30 -- "The Saudis ~do~ care about mental health because, technically Monte, you can't have mental health if you don't have a head."
Thorin is a national treasure.
"Let's call it an invitational."
"Who's getting invited?"
"Nobody. Also let's make it 66 best of ones and 3 best of fives."
yamato, thorin and dom on hot take point made for league edition, make it happen 🙏🙏
ok but like, thorin is the french fries of league creators. he goes with everyone, he just makes everyone more enjoyable to watch. wouldnt be super interested in watching him solo, but will watch him with basically anyone else, even if i hate them, he just makes it so good
i like monte btw
Yamato is hype. having him on lfn more sounds good
He's the goat
I think Sodaron would be great
Thorin-Dom-Yamato for hot take point made would be fire
People called JDG meta proof last year but in a actuality there were some noticeable holes (Azir), but looking at this GENG roster they actually are meta proof, the AP jungle meta didn’t come into affect until MSI, they went 17-1 in spring and didn’t drop a series in playoffs in a tank jungle meta.
You look at Kiin, arguably the most flexible top of all time, Carries, tanks, AD or AP. Canyon, the best carry JG of all time and has really come into his own on tanks. Chovy, like serious what’s scarier his ASol and Azir or Yone and Corki. Peyz has fathered Guma and Viper in every hyper carry meta to date, and has incredible weak side pocket picks. Lehends is just so incredibly flexible and good at everything, not even Yuumi can stop him because of his Singed
I think Peyz would get very exposed if meta shifted to stronger AD Carry meta =)
@@gangrenousgoblingangrounou7583 I mean just watch the 23 spring and summer finals lol
There is no meta proof
@@gangrenousgoblingangrounou7583he was praised during his rookie split especially his zeri
Peyz is worst than both Viper and Guma have you watched them. Peyz shines cause he plays in the perfect team. Look at vipers team and T1 do not play for botlane so how can Guma really shine.
45:00 I felt like Monte was directly attacking a lot of my classmates from college here haha. I'm really glad I bounced out of thinking I could do fanart for a living, and did something marketable.
I am really tired of all-inclusive tournaments where over half the matches suck. Why can't we just have at least one tournament with the exclusively best teams in the world?
10:00 i hope GenG can golden road, also i don't know why NONE of the casters or talent at MSI ever once mentioned Chovy laying the first brick of the golden road with the golden left hand of Knight or some shit, would have been such an epic call.
The Anyone's legend logo thing killed me 😂
Faker can win 2 worlds in a row without a super team (these two dont rate the players in that team either) but Chovy winning with a giga super team is suddenly contending to become the GOAT. This is literally the first year after 2020 that he has shown a good performance internationally.
I like the Redwings shoutout from Monte.
Is liquidiv coming back as a sponsor? I tried some and want to buy some to support the show!
THORIN MY NETHERLANDS homiieeeee
I dont agree with the take that anyone should take the bag, how can you advocate for that? Sure it makes sense logically, but morally it is reprehensible. Yes it is hard to decline the bag, but so are many decisions in life where it is easier to just do something morally corrupt instead of doing the right thing.
Just a request as a Canadian I would like to be able to use your guys coupon codes but they typically don't work in Canada. Not sure if there's a anything you can do on your part.
the poby replacement thing is so funny yet so *true*
45:27 spitting hard facts I never understood why this was the norm especially in a field that’s primary focus is content/entertainment. Very few are proactive on their own time growing their brand and wow crazy they benefit a lot from it (caedral most obvious example)
Factor meals is already active in the netherlands!
The new thumbnails are sick
there's a bit of irony that dgon, someone who host a show in lfn. is taking the saudi bag while the 2 other shows openly shits on saudi. just shows how important/tempting that bag is.
1:39:15 i was just thinking yamato could do voice of yamato on lfn (after watching best damn league show) and have it have different guest interviews. maybe a monthly or bi weekly show.
How's this roster doing... not lower than 3rd place at any event for the last 3 yrs.... we r very spoiled.
Yall really make yall whole platform off being haters.
Hows this roster doing since worlds?
Still the second best team in LCK
Lost a close 3-2 to China’s best when the mid laner was sprinting it.
All while being DDoS’d non stop for the past 6-8 months and while competing in every single international tournament and being in every LCK final, never placing worse than 3/4 in the international tournaments. Most teams would sell their left nuts for results like this.
They are dogshit
@@MrDespisedIcon I get they hate t1 fans but they are going too far the other way. They are just constantly trying to downplay T1 for 2 years when they have been the overall best team on average for the past 2 years. All while GenG assembles the 3rd iteration of their super team. These two say they love players that perform under pressure while being Chovy fanboys when Chovy was the no1 reason for their loss against both BLG series last year and also being GAPPED in 2022 worlds vs DRX. I agree Chovy has been the overall best midlaner for few years but has been choking internationls for the past 2 years. The double standards are unreal with these 2.
@@davienssprime123 If chovy was the no1 reason they lost to BLG at worlds, Faker is the no1 reason why t1 hasn't won every single split and worlds. Also chovy got gapped in worlds vs DRX but Faker got gapped even harder, rewatch world finals and you will see it was Faker who played worse than Zeus. Also saying 2023 Geng is a superteam is the most deranged thing when by definition you can't be a superteam with an unproven rookie player. Going into every single LCK split for the past 3 years T1 was by the majority the favorite to win, 2023 GenG were expected to be a 4-5th place team just go back and watch the preseason rankings so saying T1 is losing to superteams is just false they lose because Chovy shits on Faker. Also T1 failing to win titles when their fans claim they are the best team in the world with the 5 best players is a disappointment especially when BLG beat them playing the worst they played all year and when they spent by far the most money in the offseason.
@@davienssprime123 How has “the best overall team in the last 2 years” lost literally all 4 lck splits in the time span to geng? Specially now that geng are MSI champs I fail to see how anyone could argue that T1 has been better in the last 24 months.
2:11:35 The "Rainbow Road" brought to you by the KSA
Ayyy more EWC drama!!
Faker being bad that whole poby year is so false. He was having an all time best spring split for himself, then in summer he was dealing with carpel tunnel after MSI and was clearly not the same. I don't think you can honestly say that it isnt fucking impressive for T1 to go from barely getting into playoffs, to making it through to the LCK finals, and then winning worlds. That is fucking impressive.
25:00 banger glass bead game referrence
Thorins unbridled hate for faker
Sadly Nisqy can still go international Aware
Thorin don't know what is happening in France
never understood why public figures cant get a part time job?
If your only getting one or two days a week of work casting(or writing or acting to cover another similar industry) then u clearly have free time to work almost full time at a restaurant or department store or gas station etc. i live in the city and pay my bills as an assistant manager at a convience store. not like a i have tons of disposable income but my bills are covered
1:04:20 sadly TL would need to WIN to do this, which is somehow less likely than the "you get to choose one to set free" pure comedy
Best content in esports.
2:18:42 Biggest dropoffs in the history of LoL? bengi winning Worlds 2016 then immediately getting relegated in China. MaRin winning Worlds 2015 then immediately playing relegations in China. Bang playing all those years on SKT and immediately going 10th on 100T, same for Wolf except he went to TURKEY and couldn't win there. Zeus, Oner, Gumayusi and Keria dominating the LCK then being by far the worst team in the league with Poby. I wonder what all these players (frauds) have in common?
I don’t know about bengi
but I think Marin bang and wolf had their prime time on T1
Zeus got gapped by kingen because I’m sure in comms it went like him saying “don’t worry about banning aatrox I’ll counter it” into losing game 5 of the worlds to drx so hard to it.
Faker
I really hope alluding to Yamato is for a LoL hot take point made show.
after you said TL vs FNC was a matchup I lost the 1% interest I had in this tournament
wait until Thorin sees who the Lakers drafted lmao
Great episode but 20k is life changing money for me
I wanna see viper on this gen g team. or for ruler to come back. That would be a true super team
Peyz clears both
Peyz is a solid secondary carry. Viper would of course be an individual improvement but history has shown us having a hard carry player in every role has been a problem.
@@roachdoggjr4648you can make that argument for ruler, but I’m sorry viper plays everything.
He has to be the main carry because the rest of hle is not to be trusted.
When he won worlds with edg he had flandre and scout who both were playing champs like jayce azir and all taking ressources.
So no I completely disagree.
Been watching LoL since s1 and it breaks my heart to miss some of Chovy at his prime. But the saudi thing is just no.
Pls give me a thorin drama night show ppppplls
42:18 i agree completely the "mental health" point some of the talent tried to make to justify them going was in such bad faith. it is a selfish mental health point because it only regards their own, while disregarding the same sentiment for people in much worse conditions; making it impossible for it to be a true values stance for them and an obvious PR/ latching onto an important topic for sympathy, have some real "mental health/wellness" and RESILIENCE and personal accountability and you won't make these soft ass pleas and concessions or cope in a weird way. ffs.
We have gone back to 2013 format
Every time you mention a golden road it is less likely to golden road skt was supposed to golden road g2 was supposed to golden jdg was supposed to golden road GENG is supposed to golden road
RNG was supposed to golden road
Eh. People only said T1 should golden road because they won worlds, but forget to mention that was their only win in like 2 years. JDG Probably golden roads it if faker doesn't take out his anger on rulers varus. It's still unlikely GenG golden road, but considering the fact they seem to only be getting better, they have the best player in the world currently and T1/BLG both look worse than they did prior, definitely have a chance. In the end of the day, bringing up the golden road gets clicks
Thorins obsession with faker is unreal honestly
Bruh i wouldnt be wearing that pride shirt in Saudi even my employer told me to 😂
The KSA thing seems a little "pick and choose" with morality considering domestic suffering, GRANTED our federal governments arent investing in esports competition (Military branches do have sponsorships of specific teams).
Yamato on Fourplay would be such great content
Nice
Can you really call it a hall of fame when there is no hall?
I think toxicity is big in league cause they don't actually punish you for it. If I'm spamming the n word I should just get banned from the game. You get muted for like 3 games that's not a punishment.
That canyon hard carry at the MSI finals was insane.
Swap Ruler with any chinese ADC and JDG don't come close to a golden road either.
My point of vu in the EWC, if you don't get mad at your own government accepting money from Saudi, if you don't get mad at big sporting events, celebrities accepting gift and money from Saudi.
Please don't get mad at those orgs and specially those casters who are just trying to make a living.
It's not just about taking the money. It's virtue signalling for years on social media and then taking the bag that irks people. By all means take the money just don't piss on my face and call it rain
i guess saudis didnt give ur show a money so that's why u are mad about them it's hard to respact our culture and roles even if we pay u. ppl getting greedy this days :/
Using the word "culture" to justify human violation is still unethical. Beside if you want them to respect your culture, then you should also accept that Jesus is a God 😂😂😂.
@@chronoshift1423 U are here who attack me not me xd i guess u have allot to learn idc even if u pray to a cow not my business as i said and every country makes vioolation but i guess u are sleeping or playing lol at media
Saudi tried to buy into LFN.
LiV golf turned out great and all these already super rich golfers decided to take that Saudi money and forfeit their right on the PGA Tour. Guess what happened fans? Now we have two premiere league of golf that are pushing the limits and raising the level of competition across the board. Instead of JUST ONE league telling what to do with our hard earned money. Just like.... 👊
Turns out blood is on ALL money.
Give me the bag. I don't care.
I wouldnt watch the games. Idc if faker is advertising the events.
It doesn't matter whether he advertises it or not as long as t1 is playing they can get at least a minimum of 1m view 😂
No one asked
today's kanye > "20 years ago kanye". gtfo monte
Kanye used to have so much personality, soul, and character in his music, which helped balance out his insane ego. Nowadays, especially, it's entirely ego and distasteful antics left and right with no redeeming qualities. Vultures just screams sex and porn addiction, it has some decent sounds sonically, but it's an awful listen from a content standpoint. Not to mention Kanye constantly whoring out his wife publicly, making her walk around practically nude for his own ego, AND the anti semitism. I was never even one of the OG Kanye haters. I enjoyed most projects up to and including Donda. But it's impossible to defend that man these days, especially when his bullshit permeates the music so much.
@@roachdoggjr4648agreed. seems like vultures and everything he did in this recent times killed whatever he was preaching in donda