Biggest proof of how we know we aren't a synth is Dr. Amari has access to our brain scans when linking us up to Kellogg's brain through Nick. The same Dr. Amari that the Railroad takes synths to for giving new memories to. If anyone is qualified for recognizing a synth mind, it's her, and she never brings it up to us. We're 100% human. All Dima is trying to do by posing the question of our origin is to let us sympathize with the identity crisis many of the synths under his protection have felt. Sort of a "put yourself in their shoes" kind of thing. Likewise if we were a synth, the Institute would definitely use our recall code to shut us down during our assault on their facility if we side with anyone other than them. That they don't and that a Courser isn't hunting us down to bring us back speaks volumes about our real identity. The player being a synth is a great thought experiment and makes for interesting speculation, but ultimately the rest of the game debunks it through closer examination
I would like to preface I don’t believe we are synths, butttttttttt The only possible workaround is if we are an advanced synth (Gen 4?), like how kid Sean is, and therefore have a brain that is nearly indistinguishable from a normal human’s through PET, MRI, and CT scans, only being able to tell the difference through proper dissection or something.
There’s only one problem with your first theory about the player character being a scent and it’s the vault Tech guy that comes to the door if he was just a creation of a memory of false memory for the institute to put in there. Why do you actually meet him in the wasteland?
There is also the General Ironsides & his group having records that ID the player charracter of before the war The player character has memoris of the Silver Shroud show and of Greygarden
Another great point! The synth theory does have a remarkable amount of holes in, and of course you could argue, "well the Vault Tec Rep is also a synth made by the institute," and it's impossible to argue against that kind of logic.
@@SuperbTube another thing to disprove the SS is a synth theory is that when talking with kent during the silver shroud quest there's an option to talk about the pre war lore of the shroud! well one of the other heroes! the option says "try to remember" and you remember enough to where kent's like "yeah! mr abominable from issue- " ya get the point! plus the whole point of vault 111 was to test the long term effects of cryo stasis! so nate/nora MIGHT have minor brain damage/memory loss-
also the vault tec rep said they already had ya on file! they just needed to verify some things! so yes its still VERY lucky! but! not as unbelievable-
Ok, I got a Fallout(FO)/Elder Scrolls(ES) linked theory that I sometimes share- In Fallout Earth there is what is known as Metromen. These are busts of heads that can be seen from time to throughout the series usually on the outside walls of buildings. For example Rivet City in FO 3 have them on the exterior of the city wall. They appear throughout Fallout 4 all over the place. Stand in front of what used to be the main entrance to Fort Hagan and look up and you can see one. Now lets look at Skyrim and more importantly Blackreach by getting there by following Septimus' instructions for that quest he gives you. Upon reaching Blackreach proper, go to the first shortcut elevator that takes us back to the surface world and you'll see it; a head bust of a Dwemer. "Wait, what? That just has to be coincidence!" you may be thinking. As we know from ES lore the Dwemer mysteriously and collectively vanished without a trace. That is something is known. What isn't known is where they all ended up and I'm saying they ended up on FO Earth. Now I'm going to write something even more crazy; they are Lorenzo Cabot's Precursor Race. But Humans in FO 4 are descended from the Precursor Race so that can't be right. In truth it can be right. There is one aspect of ES that is important to this theory; that Mer/Human races and even Daedric/Divines have been known to be fundamentally transformed both physically AND mentally. The Daedric Prince Jyggylig being transformed into Sheogorath. The Divine Trinimac transformed into the Daedric Prince Malakath and the whole race that worshiped him as Trinimac transformed into Orc. Azura transforming one Mer race into the Khajiit and turning the Chimer into Dunmer. Tiber Septim/Talos a Nord human becoming a Divine. So it is very much possible for the Dwemer to transform into the Precursor Race and taking on a more humanlike appearance. Another piece of evidence is what is said about the Precursor Race and that they were not. . .kind. The way they are spoken is too similar to what Dwemer used to do on Nirn. There also how many Humans on FO 4 seem to be more Dwemer like in their cruelty while pursuing knowledge and science. The main example being the members of Vault-Tec who came up with a lot of the more cruel and sadistic Vault Experiments. Another similarity is that the Dwemer and Precursor Race lived underground. Now I'm not saying such people in the 'present' know they're descended from the Precursor Race or that they are in fact Dwemer. Instead of they inherited the worst of the Dwemer traits which includes that mile long sadistic streak and general lack of ethics and morals toward other people. . . . . . . . . . . . However there is the idea of a 'genetic throwback'. This is when someone born in a current age ends up gaining a genetic trait their long dead ancestor once had. And if a human whether in the prewar or born during the post apocalyptic world were to 'awaken' with the full instincts of a Dwemer what would happen then?
You seem to effectively forget about the fact that The Elder Scrolls is a whole different world. How can there be any connection? Elder Scrolls happens on a planet called Nirn, it even has two moons.
The Lone Survival *is* a synth. I always play a girl character, and she's the only 4th generation (she is immortal). The shock of being frozen and her son being kidnapped caused her to be emotionally connected to other girls. When she meets Piper, she becomes more than friendly and, eventually, due to a downloaded mod, get married
I don’t believe the Synth theory BUTTTT SOME POSSIBLE EVIDENCE - I think the prologue is us actually being a human but coming out of the cryogenic pod is when we’re a synth. You could just argue the institute took the cryopreserved brain of the sole survivor and then transferred those memories into a Gen 3 Synth. This makes a lot of sense now that you think of that - all of the other pods have perfectly preserved but dead people (no decay), why were you the only one that managed to stay perfectly preserved but alive? I’m thinking most likely if the synth theory is true your last “human experience” is sadly seeing Kellog killing your wife. And then dying during the refreezing. This makes a lot of sense because you were just refrozen with old ass technology with no monitoring, there’s no way you can convince me you just magically got refrozen with no issues, meanwhile everyone else died because of this refreezing. In this theory. The institute chose to harvest your preserved hippocampus and then placed the synth body in the cryogenic pod. Some reason could be Sean wanted you to exist as a synth, whether it was for an experiment, or because he wanted to learn about you and himself, which we know he’s interested in since he created a kid version of himself the same time he created a synth version of you!
Although again I don’t believe this theory - dr Amari would have noticed something is strange with our brain structures while she was monitoring it during our stay in the memory pod. The only possible workaround is if we are an advanced synth (Gen 4?), like how kid Sean is, and therefore have a brain that is nearly indistinguishable from a normal human’s through scans unless properly dissected or something.
The first theory seems false because despite the fact that our character "does not remember his life before" it happens several times that he remembers memories of before the bombs, especially when we meet the captain of the yangtze, we can choose to kill him by retorting that this communist rot had destroyed his country, or when our character tells Nick Valentine that he remembers Eddie Winter. All this leads me to think that our character is not a synth .
Good arguments. I think someone could always come along and say, “well the institute planted those memories,” but then at what point can you even argue against it.
The reason as to why your char can only remember the day the Bombs fell is because no further interaction options were added by the makers of the Game, so kinda puts this the Synth theory out the window
"The Elder Scrolls universe doesn't exactly has a space program." The Elder Scrolls universe in fact, do have a space program. It involves a giant and a very brave(or dumb) adventurer.
wouldnt the Biggest proof of how we know we aren't a synth be that the robot on the stuck ship bringing up your old world military records/ lawyer background
The Theory makes no sense. You were there in the beginning and frozen and were always frozen. Father thawed you out as an experiment. Think about it. How were you a synth when there wasnt any synths that even existed at the time? It was the beginning of the game so of course we dont know the sole survivors past. Codsworth knew you before the bombs fell. I dont care you can use VATs early in game. Im sure its something you're not supposed to know when you first start playing. Think about it, why would the institute use something from vault tech when there is no evidence they used anything from them? Wouldn't that make the other characters in past vault games synths too since they can also use VATs? Again nothing tells me you're a synth. Its just a bad theory that gets debunked by the very game the theory comes from
Biggest proof of how we know we aren't a synth is Dr. Amari has access to our brain scans when linking us up to Kellogg's brain through Nick. The same Dr. Amari that the Railroad takes synths to for giving new memories to. If anyone is qualified for recognizing a synth mind, it's her, and she never brings it up to us. We're 100% human. All Dima is trying to do by posing the question of our origin is to let us sympathize with the identity crisis many of the synths under his protection have felt. Sort of a "put yourself in their shoes" kind of thing. Likewise if we were a synth, the Institute would definitely use our recall code to shut us down during our assault on their facility if we side with anyone other than them. That they don't and that a Courser isn't hunting us down to bring us back speaks volumes about our real identity. The player being a synth is a great thought experiment and makes for interesting speculation, but ultimately the rest of the game debunks it through closer examination
100%, great point about Dr. Amari during that quest, she would certainly know if we were a synth.
@@SuperbTubemy Character couldn’t be synth cuz he hasn’t slept in the 2 in game years I played as him
I would like to preface I don’t believe we are synths, butttttttttt
The only possible workaround is if we are an advanced synth (Gen 4?), like how kid Sean is, and therefore have a brain that is nearly indistinguishable from a normal human’s through PET, MRI, and CT scans, only being able to tell the difference through proper dissection or something.
also father tells you he freed you just to see what would happen.. the institute would NEVER have allowed a synth to be free
@@Rexusa let me guess their not created in a lab but in a bedroom and take 18 years to finish?
There’s only one problem with your first theory about the player character being a scent and it’s the vault Tech guy that comes to the door if he was just a creation of a memory of false memory for the institute to put in there. Why do you actually meet him in the wasteland?
There is also the General Ironsides & his group having records that ID the player charracter of before the war
The player character has memoris of the Silver Shroud show and of Greygarden
Another great point! The synth theory does have a remarkable amount of holes in, and of course you could argue, "well the Vault Tec Rep is also a synth made by the institute," and it's impossible to argue against that kind of logic.
Synthetic ghouls.😂
@@SuperbTube another thing to disprove the SS is a synth theory is that when talking with kent during the silver shroud quest there's an option to talk about the pre war lore of the shroud! well one of the other heroes! the option says "try to remember" and you remember enough to where kent's like "yeah! mr abominable from issue- " ya get the point! plus the whole point of vault 111 was to test the long term effects of cryo stasis! so nate/nora MIGHT have minor brain damage/memory loss-
also the vault tec rep said they already had ya on file! they just needed to verify some things! so yes its still VERY lucky! but! not as unbelievable-
9 divines...9 planets
But then there were 8. Guess that makes Pluto Talos then? XD
I think the biggest proof the player is a synth is going into the Mechinist lair when the computer says No Life Signs Present.
Ok, I got a Fallout(FO)/Elder Scrolls(ES) linked theory that I sometimes share-
In Fallout Earth there is what is known as Metromen. These are busts of heads that can be seen from time to throughout the series usually on the outside walls of buildings. For example Rivet City in FO 3 have them on the exterior of the city wall. They appear throughout Fallout 4 all over the place. Stand in front of what used to be the main entrance to Fort Hagan and look up and you can see one. Now lets look at Skyrim and more importantly Blackreach by getting there by following Septimus' instructions for that quest he gives you. Upon reaching Blackreach proper, go to the first shortcut elevator that takes us back to the surface world and you'll see it; a head bust of a Dwemer. "Wait, what? That just has to be coincidence!" you may be thinking.
As we know from ES lore the Dwemer mysteriously and collectively vanished without a trace. That is something is known. What isn't known is where they all ended up and I'm saying they ended up on FO Earth. Now I'm going to write something even more crazy; they are Lorenzo Cabot's Precursor Race. But Humans in FO 4 are descended from the Precursor Race so that can't be right. In truth it can be right. There is one aspect of ES that is important to this theory; that Mer/Human races and even Daedric/Divines have been known to be fundamentally transformed both physically AND mentally. The Daedric Prince Jyggylig being transformed into Sheogorath. The Divine Trinimac transformed into the Daedric Prince Malakath and the whole race that worshiped him as Trinimac transformed into Orc. Azura transforming one Mer race into the Khajiit and turning the Chimer into Dunmer. Tiber Septim/Talos a Nord human becoming a Divine. So it is very much possible for the Dwemer to transform into the Precursor Race and taking on a more humanlike appearance.
Another piece of evidence is what is said about the Precursor Race and that they were not. . .kind. The way they are spoken is too similar to what Dwemer used to do on Nirn. There also how many Humans on FO 4 seem to be more Dwemer like in their cruelty while pursuing knowledge and science. The main example being the members of Vault-Tec who came up with a lot of the more cruel and sadistic Vault Experiments. Another similarity is that the Dwemer and Precursor Race lived underground.
Now I'm not saying such people in the 'present' know they're descended from the Precursor Race or that they are in fact Dwemer. Instead of they inherited the worst of the Dwemer traits which includes that mile long sadistic streak and general lack of ethics and morals toward other people.
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However there is the idea of a 'genetic throwback'. This is when someone born in a current age ends up gaining a genetic trait their long dead ancestor once had. And if a human whether in the prewar or born during the post apocalyptic world were to 'awaken' with the full instincts of a Dwemer what would happen then?
You seem to effectively forget about the fact that The Elder Scrolls is a whole different world. How can there be any connection? Elder Scrolls happens on a planet called Nirn, it even has two moons.
did you forget that Nora said she got pregnant because they did it at the park?
She did in fact say this. This is said within our characters self-identified first memory, the day the bombs fell.
Exactly I don’t believe the synth theory
@@SuperbTube nate also speaks about his grandfather in the opening cutscene i believe
The Lone Survival *is* a synth. I always play a girl character, and she's the only 4th generation (she is immortal). The shock of being frozen and her son being kidnapped caused her to be emotionally connected to other girls. When she meets Piper, she becomes more than friendly and, eventually, due to a downloaded mod, get married
I don’t believe the Synth theory BUTTTT SOME POSSIBLE EVIDENCE -
I think the prologue is us actually being a human but coming out of the cryogenic pod is when we’re a synth.
You could just argue the institute took the cryopreserved brain of the sole survivor and then transferred those memories into a Gen 3 Synth.
This makes a lot of sense now that you think of that - all of the other pods have perfectly preserved but dead people (no decay), why were you the only one that managed to stay perfectly preserved but alive? I’m thinking most likely if the synth theory is true your last “human experience” is sadly seeing Kellog killing your wife. And then dying during the refreezing. This makes a lot of sense because you were just refrozen with old ass technology with no monitoring, there’s no way you can convince me you just magically got refrozen with no issues, meanwhile everyone else died because of this refreezing.
In this theory. The institute chose to harvest your preserved hippocampus and then placed the synth body in the cryogenic pod. Some reason could be Sean wanted you to exist as a synth, whether it was for an experiment, or because he wanted to learn about you and himself, which we know he’s interested in since he created a kid version of himself the same time he created a synth version of you!
Although again I don’t believe this theory - dr Amari would have noticed something is strange with our brain structures while she was monitoring it during our stay in the memory pod. The only possible workaround is if we are an advanced synth (Gen 4?), like how kid Sean is, and therefore have a brain that is nearly indistinguishable from a normal human’s through scans unless properly dissected or something.
The first theory seems false because despite the fact that our character "does not remember his life before" it happens several times that he remembers memories of before the bombs, especially when we meet the captain of the yangtze, we can choose to kill him by retorting that this communist rot had destroyed his country, or when our character tells Nick Valentine that he remembers Eddie Winter. All this leads me to think that our character is not a synth .
Good arguments. I think someone could always come along and say, “well the institute planted those memories,” but then at what point can you even argue against it.
The reason as to why your char can only remember the day the Bombs fell is because no further interaction options were added by the makers of the Game, so kinda puts this the Synth theory out the window
"The Elder Scrolls universe doesn't exactly has a space program."
The Elder Scrolls universe in fact, do have a space program. It involves a giant and a very brave(or dumb) adventurer.
wouldnt the Biggest proof of how we know we aren't a synth be that the robot on the stuck ship bringing up your old world military records/ lawyer background
But the vault tech guy and the robot remembers you... If those are just memories they are real memories?
SuperbTube, amazing video dude
Synths don't take rad damage
The Theory makes no sense.
You were there in the beginning and frozen and were always frozen. Father thawed you out as an experiment.
Think about it. How were you a synth when there wasnt any synths that even existed at the time? It was the beginning of the game so of course we dont know the sole survivors past. Codsworth knew you before the bombs fell. I dont care you can use VATs early in game. Im sure its something you're not supposed to know when you first start playing. Think about it, why would the institute use something from vault tech when there is no evidence they used anything from them? Wouldn't that make the other characters in past vault games synths too since they can also use VATs?
Again nothing tells me you're a synth. Its just a bad theory that gets debunked by the very game the theory comes from