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- Skrillex - The Same Place
2016 Skrillex Year End Recap
Filmed by Jas Davis // / jasdavis
Edited by: Jas Davis & James Winterhalter
Track List:
1.) Testament - Demonic Refusal
2.) ID - Skrillex
3.) Purple Lamborghini - Skrillex & Rick Ross
4.) Staggered in Lies - Sacri Monti sacrimontiband/
5.) Stephan Bodzin - Zulu (Synthapella)
6.) Waiting - RL Grime, What So Not, Skrillex
7.) Kyoto (VIP) - Skrillex
Skrillex - The Same Place
Skrillex sick 🙌
Skrillex First ❤
Skrillex Love skrillex, aqui do Brasil ❤
Skrillex Love u,love u,love u :')
Skrillex boom!
0:28 Testament - Demonic Refusal
0:36 Skrillex & Damien Marley - Make It Bun Dem
0:40 Skrillex & Rick Ross - Purple Lamborghini (VIP) [Confirmed by Slushii]
1:07 Teriyaki Boys - Tokyo Drift
1:20 Mr. Oizo - End Of The World (feat. Skrillex)
1:51 Sacri Monti - Staggered In Lies
4:06 3LAU & Botnek - Vikings
4:16 Destructo - Party Up feat. YG (GTA Remix)
4:22 Wavedash - Like That
4:28 Skrillex - Ping Pong
4:34 Knife Party - Internet Friends (i think)
4:36 Captain Hollywood Project - More And More 1992
4:45 Diplo - Get It Right (Feat. MØ) [demo ofc]
5:07 Skrillex And Diplo - Mind (feat. Kai)
6:50 Stephan Bodzin - Zulu
9:10 Skrillex , What So Not , RL Grime - Waiting
10:15 Skrillex - Kyoto (feat. Sirah) [VIP]
THANK YOU SONNY & JAS DAVIS FOR THIS AMAZING VIDEO!!!
ooowww
Thanks
VoXoN amego creo q lo haml
0:28 Testament - Demonic Refusal
1:51 Sacri Monti - Staggered In Lies
omg thanks!:D
nope:'D
Skrillex playing his original musics
not "DeadProject" Edit
Sonny
Hey Rocket! D
ayy
Rocket Powered Sound i need a tutorial of getter xD thanks
Roux Flux шо арёш
ey!!
6 years later and it still hits me like nothing else!
Skrillex will always be that artist who's just cool with everyone, no matter the genre, the fame, the industry they're in.. when they said "now you know that I've been everywhere" i don't think they meant his travels, but his relations with various people and how he never let himself to be stuck with one sound over the years. When scary monsters & nice sprites came out, many artists despised him and said he ruined dubstep & made fun of his look but you never saw him act with any sort of greed or attitude when he became huge globally. He's one of the very few artists who made it that big and yet you'll see him jamming live with Above & Beyond, and then collaborating with an a-list rapper the other night... Playing an unannounced surprise show at a small venue then doing a world tour. From what we witnessed as fans, he never let this rotten industry get to his core values and who he is.
He's Skrillex.
YEEES!!!
that skrillex ID is fucking FUEGO
The Dub Rebellion yeeah FUCKING FIRE
The Dub Rebellion hey dubby
I want to know the song name for that
What's good dubby? Congrats on 200k!
sorry
Inspiring as hell. You're the reason I started making music. Thank you.
👽
+Skrillex te amo v:
+Skrillex :v te amo de nuevo
+Skrillex te amo enserio :c nunca te voy a conocer en persona y con lo que me queda de vida menos ;-;
Skrillex Thanks for making dubstep. Also Happy Birthday!
0:28 Testament - Demonic Refusal
0:40 Skrillex & Rick Ross - Purple Lamborghini (ID Remix)
1:07 Teriyaki Boys - Tokyo Drift
1:20 Mr. Oizo - End Of The World (feat. Skrillex)
1:51 Sacri Monti - Staggered In Lies
4:06 3LAU & Botnek - Vikings
4:16 Destructo - Party Up feat. YG (GTA Remix)
4:22 Wavedash - Like That
4:28 Skrillex - Ping Pong
4:34 Knife Party - Internet Friends (i think)
4:36 i Don't know://///////////////
4:45 Maybe Skrillex - ID (feat. MO)
5:07 Skrillex And Diplo - Mind (feat. Kai)
6:50 Stephan Bodzin - Zulu
9:10 Skrillex , What So Not , RL Grime - Waiting
10:15 Skrillex - Kyoto (feat. Sirah) [VIP(?)]
Donald Trump 4:45 Maybe Skrillex - ID (Feat. MØ) ???
donde la encuentro ?
1:07 seems to actually be Script & Tsukii - Tokyo (shivan remix), though it uses the melody from Tokyo Drift
Fuck you donald trump :v
Nice donal
no getter edit or remix to be found
Everyone's thanking Skrillex for the inspiration this video has given them but I for one wanna thank Jas. I found this video when I was at my lowest. I had lost interest in the field of videography, I had dropped out of college, I was working a full-time job I hated, and thought my life was over. Then one day I found this video and it not only inspired me to get back into videography but it reminded me *WHY* I love videography, the limitless artistic possibilities it has. Now I have a foothold on my career as a videographer, my talents have grown substantially, opportunities are always on the horizon and I have this video and the man who made it to thank. Here's hoping that one day I can shake Jas' hand and thank him properly.
Great Comment
@@moosje1000 Thank you :)
"The Same Place"
Skrillex never changed
and that's a good thing
I don't want him to change
Honestly, he did kinda change. He's starting to become main stream after he released Purple Lamborghini. I mean from this video I can say he's still the same person, but keep in mind that he didn't release any track after purple Lamborghini. All that we know from Skrellix is hes past life before purple Lamborghini hits everywhere in the world.
zizo the think that he let his music "go forward" and made main Soundtrack to the one of the most famous movies in 2016 doesnt mean he changed...
Maybe he's taking a break from making tracks?
Kyubey he just released an album
Kyubey he just released an album
The end gave me chills. I haven't heard that tune in so long. Thanks for the memories sonny! I'll never forget the times in 8th grade. I love you bro and it's good to see you getting back with fftl. Peace✌🏼️
Margwee! Gave me chills too.
name of tune for n00bs?
kyoto but its piano at first
Daniel Danny Dee Aguayo Song name is 'Kyoto' Featuring Sirah (VIP)
Margwee!
Dear Sonny (Skrillex),
Your music journey has gotten me through the worst, best and most memorable experiences of my life. Thank you for continuing to show greatness through your craft and inspiring thousands of people to have fun and be true to yourself. Hands down, you are forever in the books of music history to be one of the best DJs/Music Producers of all time.
Lots of Love, a fan since day one. xx
Sheena Yvonne Gillespie are u really a skrillex fan? 🤔
awesome.
He is not one of the best, is the best, is the master, is the King, and is he what motivates us to keep going,he is what motivates us to ignore those who underestimate our way of thinking, he is what motivates us to continue the dream of one day to know him, what motivates us to continue with our lives despite the sad thing that we feel ,he is which motivates us to hide our feelings to never show a sad face, that motivates us to ignore the people who say that he is a fool and his music sucks and, finally, what motivates us to enjoy every second of his songs because the Dubset is the best genre that can exist, and Sonny is always withthe best attitude even thoug he is sad, he always shows a happy face and your music helps Us to overcome terrible moments. I hope that one day he read our comments and see how much we love him and love his personality even though we have never seen him in person or acquaintance. Regina, Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, México
This video actually makes me cry. Best video on TH-cam
Why so gay?
This is the true
This video is so emocional
Cry? Lmao
This video is wholesome
Thanks for making such amazing music over the past 13 years Sonny. You're my biggest inspiration for sure. Oh, and Happy Birthday!
love you
Skrillex I Love You Brother Jaja
Mr_Krutoy Кек че ты тута делакшь?
maphix
The more I start looking into Owsla, the more I start looking into all the stuff you're doing and who you are supporting, the more I enjoy your shit!
Keep
On
Doing
Your
Thing!
much love
When you come to Russia?
Skrillex im dj
Skrillex im of mexican
Skrillex killa killa killa you speak spanish ???
*like los latinos y españa* 😀😀😇
Alex Villegas no soy latino ni soy hispano,soy mexicano👍
ni siy litini ni mijicini, siy mijicano. Gafo
😒 lo que digas...
Mexicana :v pls
Latina \(^o^)/
7:29 that editing and music gives me chills man
10:13 que nolstalgia me dio esta parte cuando volvi a escuchar Kyoto 😍 el old skrillex :c
BlaksterMx siiii!! , las mejores canciones! eran las que hacia antes
Skrillex el puto amo con todas las putas bitches >:v si yo fuese el me las cojo a todos >:v lastima que no se tocar trap :v na mentira solo coqueteo :v
luci mendez Bueno, estas ultimas canciones de Skrillex no estan tan mal. Lo unico que ha pasado es que Skrillex ha pasado de crear mucho dubstep a crear un poco de trap.
si es cierto hasta las canciones que tiene de ahora de The Same Place tiene copyright >:( lo quise poner como musica pero me silencio el video y lo borre :v asi que hice otro :'v
BlaksterMx Yo quiero que vuelva el viejo Skrillex :'v
I watch this everytime I'm sad or can't make music, I get so much inspiration I cry, I just want to meet sonny and thank him for everything, I love Skrillex
You are my inspiration. I don't know if you read this comment. I want to tell you that you are an important person in my life and you don't even know about me or that I exist, but I live so that one day we can meet, hug you and say thank you. Thank you for helping me improve myself. Sometimes I feel so alone, my life is somewhat complex, we all have problems, but you come along and create music that manages to heal all that pain and loneliness. I'm just listening to your new song with yung lean and bladee and I also listen to it on loop. it's my favorite. Thank you for existing, I am struggling with so many things and right now I fear for my life due to a health problem, I hope to recover but just in case I can't hug you, in case I can't get there, in case I'm not able to get attention and I am left alone here, I want you to know that I tried with all my might, that I am not going to give up, that I want to be someone like you, and I am no longer speaking only musically, I am speaking of the kind of person who is so wonderful, so luminous that are you. It shows that you have gone through such difficult things, but you have always managed to fit in so much and smile. For that reason, I will always admire you. that you know, that I love you, that I am going there. Just give me time & if I don't leave before this world, you will have a new friend and I will of course have another because what is clear is that you have to be the best friend of all the ones you have. much love, Sonny ❤️
your songs talk to my soul man ive got adhd n depression n man a lil bit of weed n ur tunes cures anything :D
thankyou guys
me too and his magic gets me high.....
Skrillex makes dubstep
Skrillex makes reagge
Skrillex makes trap
Skrillex makes metal
Skrillex makes anything awesome
when i need inspiration i always come back here
I want a new album...
same!!!!!!!!!
lets hope for a new album in 2017
James Ucar Dubstep album!!!
Not trying to be pessimistic but if there was a new album coming out he would play a ton of IDs like he did in mid 2013 to early 2014 before Recess. I feel like hes gonna release Ping Pong soon tho.
@@GTALetsPlaySeries you're right!!. Now, he often plays his new/old id. And pingpong released with the name "Fuji Opener".
Haven't enjoyed a yt video this much in a long time! This was truly amazing :)
thank u
+Skrillex
OMG
+Skrillex I still can t believe you replied me omg:D
como se llama la 2 cancion que suena
I love these travel videos! Keep them coming Sonny!
love u!
Life complete.
omg i didnt think u replied to anyone
If you get here early enough it can happen! He responded to quite a few people. Made my day
you are so lucky that he replied to you
This was THE holy grail of tour vids back in the day. Every videographer saw this drop and knew this wouldn't be topped. Jas and Winterhalter the best to ever do it.
Brasil-São Paulo representando.
Esse vídeo me deixou feliz de tantas formas que não sei nem o que dizer, arrepios, cala-frios, borboletas no estomago... Estou sem palavras. Apenas Obrigada.
When I see this film, I finally say to myself why I started making music, to see so many people gathered and given happiness, thank you.
So true
Skrillex is the Dubstep King
He's one of a few artist i can actually tell really loves his job for what it is. Not the fame, not the money.. Just what he does
One of the best videos I've seen! You guys have put so much work into it you can definitely see it :,) your tour videos make me and my 13 year old self so happy thanks man
thank u
Skrillex u just gave me the biggest heat attack fuck ily dude
HOLY SHIT
The fuck you doing down here? Scroll up and continue watching!
Priceless Boost the vid ended
The video was uploaded 2 minutes ago. It's 11 minutes and 35 seconds. You sir just lied, shame on you.
Priceless Boost stfu
I'm dead hahaha
can't you read comments and watch the video at the same time ?!
no actually you cannot
hello Skrillex 😍
:)
Joshua skx lol
lol
Joshua skx Skrillex 😍
Skrillex
hello Skrilles im fan
i hope this isn't the end but if it is
THANK YOU Sonny John Moore
Matthew ,Sonny John moore
Skrillex and Knife Party should do a collab
Trippy that would be awesome
St3ve _oh DAMMIT
They should make another, or maybe skrillex can do it with deadmau5
thats not happening trust me xd
Héctor López YOU RUINED MY HOPES AND DREAMS😭
Solo un comentario desde Chile pasando, Thanks for all and continue with your awesome music
Quizas 2 :D
Quizás*
Caillou .x Maybe
Marina Hernandez Abarca Maybe you are from Chile ?
***** Que lindo otro compatriota ❤
I am so fucking proud of how far you have come Sonny. I have loved you for 8+ years now, you helped me through some of my darkest times and continue to inspire me. Never stop creating.
I've heard your music since 2012 and I still love it. Sorry if I said something with mistakes, I'm from Spain
Skrillex Man...
Skrillex i love you 😍
Skrillex i love you 😍
😍
Skrillex has so many remix's edit's and bootleg's that arent released please skrillex in 2017 come out with an album 🙏🙏🙏 even if its just an ep show us your next level im sure we're all ready 👽
Danny J most likley he is. Taking time off touring but still playing at shows here and there like the Super Bowl Weekend and Zedd charity. At echostage opener was a new song seemed like with leaving ep artwork with different colors and bars playing with the song so i assume be is working on a crazy album. Still has never put out Bollystep, Pumpkin dub, id with Snails, and probably more that we haven't heard.
most of them have leaked. poke around on the internet and youll find them.
oreofudgeman i know but most of the time its ass quality
are you familiar with all of the leaks that were posted to r/skrillex last year? almost all of it is 320 kbps mp3 files or wav files. good enough to play in a club.
oreofudgeman talkin bout this year bro yeah i am but idk i rather have his remix's released on soundcloud plus theres some bootlegs that arent his that arent released or havent been released anyways
the thumbnail reminds me to the good old times in germany
FielAlManga CEP a
i see what you did there
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
i dont get it
Smog Graff wait now i get it
I can’t believe this is six years ago, Skrillex videos inspiring artists all of this years
I come back to this awesome inspiring video every now and then.
skrillex thanks for making music.. your music save me during sad times.. some people say that you change your music have change by not doing dubstep anymore but for me your music genre is unknown .. its so weird but sounds really good .. i hope you keep making music that we never heard before!!!!
I was having a mental breakdown
I was running out of satisfaction through all my songs whom I call life
And this video revived me💛
I came here because Skrillex sampled the intro of a song by my favorite Thrash Metal band, Testament. That song is Demonic Refusal. I don't listen to his music, but this feels like he paid homage to Testament, which is not something I would expect from Skrillex, but I am really proud that he did it.
Kyoto VIP is such a powerful piece of music, wow. Especially with those voiceovers. I really hope it gets a release.
Yes PLEASE!
Corey Carroz that was leaked, give a second i'll send you.
dbr.ee/zo2Q
I didn't realise it'd been leaked, thanks for sharing! :D
Yes!!! Thank you so much!!!
I'm Red.
TomoMelon you will be after in done smashing the other watamelons
Free Bleachdex pls no
Hi Red, I'm Dad.
Zackhario bg
I'm Instinct, oops it's not about PMGO:)
Em tão pouco tempo me tornei tão fã desse garoto maluco que se joga pelo chão sem medo e nem aí pra mais nada, e é ele mesmo sempre, anima multidões ;-; só ele me faz surtar, me anima em vários momentos ruins, por isso eu amo o Sonny, Skrillex, seja com qual nome for, eu amo ele ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
I feel like 2016-17 was the end of Skrillex’s superstardom. He’s still a huge artist and could make a comeback, but his last huge commercial successes ended around 2017
Truuuu
I've heard nothing about him since Bangarang... And that's, what, 9 years ago?
@@Jayzon666 That wasn't even his peak, he went on to make Where Are U Now in 2015 and Purple Lamborghini in 2016, so...
He kinda wanted to subside, he said the Skrillex project was kinda on hold. If he wanted to make another hit, I bet he could’ve.
Nah he just hasn't been releasing a lot of music. He has an album coming up that is sure gonna put him back in the spotlight
Like si hablas español & te gusta Skrillex 💚👍🏽
Hakuna Matata yo
yo jejej ;) :D
yop :v
Lucia llaves garces. es mi dios JAJAJAJAJ
Hakuna Matata q pena sabes si Skrillex se va a retirar de la música?
Skrillex is the reason this world is great. Also why did you delete this yesterday?
Oh, and Happy Birthday!
Sid S Y Yeah I watched this yesterday and this one is a little different, I think they accidentally uploaded yesterday
Sid S Y TRUE this guy has helped me with his music a lot
Lost Yoouth ikr. Do u guys use FL Studio like Slushii or Ableton like Skrillex
Just Fucking Pieces of Fucking Shit lol
I still remember watching this so many times, 2 years ago, time flies.
0:36 looks like "legend is back"
SKRILLEX YOUR VOICE IS BEAUTIFUL SKRILLEX TU VOZ ES HERMOSA
FLURY GAMES
:v
2019 still waiting for moments like this
Still waiting for him , i know he will ,not now but soon.
Wish I was like him. Still young but I don't have my mind set on anything. He has been an inspiration to me and i spired me to make music. Legend
My biggest inspiration! YOU ARE THE REASON I STARTED PRDUCTION.
nunca dejara de ser la bestia del dubstep 😍
David Moises Escobedo Fuentes (???
Bestia? es de los más tranquilos y ya casi ni hace dubstep
David Moises Escobedo Fuentes viva strillex
David Moises Escobedo Fuentes TU TAMBIEN ABLAS ESPAÑOL COMPA
Exequiel Gonzalez ya no es la vestia v':
ver a tu dj favorito como ha vivido después de hacer su maravillosa música me hace sentir que todos podemos cumplir nuestras metas
5:17 Really good Guitar skills
Do u know this song?
Skrillex you are my inspiration every day :), Thanks for your music, really you are my hero
👽
skrillex,i love you I from Russian :3
Skrillex i love you 💖😍😍😍😍you are the best you are my idol 💖❤
+Skrillex You're amazing
Skrillex, you super Dj ! :-D
such an inspiration... skrillex really changed my life.
I start getting emotional at 6:28
For me its that song- Zulu by Stephen Bodzin
thats the spot
That drop at 4:22 is really INSANE! I need that song now, love ya Squirrel Wax
skrillex Is the best DJ of all-time and always will be,
I'm just going back through these short docs after the new albums. Like holy shit, I don't even know what to think or how to feel. Marvelous
Lol, i see people here suspecting about skrillex is going to leave us or something... Guys, calm down, Skrillex is and still going to be a legend forever. Instead of that, I think he's preparing something very good, like old times he used to do, music Skrillex used to do back then. Something that we were waiting since he changed his style producing music. He finally heard our message.
DALE LIKE SI AMAS A SKRILLEX Y HABLAS ESPAÑOL
Like papu
X 3 papus
Lorena Bautista Gil x10
Peridot a
×335
I love that advice he gave in the interview, that was so real and down to earth, and he just looks generally happy, like i wish i was that happy lol, love you Skrillex! Respect! 💯😊❤
Siempre Amaré Tu Hermoso Música El Mejor Dj De Dubstep Bro Te Admiro Demasiado 💘
skrillex is love, skrillex is life
Joseignacio Ortiz
ya extrañaba un nuevo video de Skrillex 😭
Oh that's footage from Electric Castle in Romania.
It started raining... and boy oh boy... it was pouring... like flood level rain.
Staff and even Skrillex were expecting for people to start leaving.
Instead people were piling up even more. That's when he went "You Romanians are fucking crazy"... and cranked the beats to 11.
seeing this heals so much when life back then was so good. Thanks Skrillex for many memories and i appreciate everything you have done ❤
It's amazing how one person could inspire me so much. Skrillex has been the center of my life for the past 5 years. I started producing music because of him. Thank you Sonny for all these years of inspiration, I hope one day my music will reach you.
PS: This video is fucking epic.
*y de repente un comentario en español*
Jaja noni estancado :v
Juan Manuel Cardona Valencia y de repente un pene XD
e de repente um comentário em português
Juan Manuel Cardona Valencia Estoy tan orgulloso de Skrillex. hasta donde a llegado este hormbre es impresionante :'D
Juan Manuel Cardona Valencia xdd
10:15 Skrillex - Kyoto (feat. Sirah)
: DDDDDDD
God, I used to listen to this everyday.
es de dead project el edit
I get goosebumps from it. Sonny, i know you are preparing something huge for future. Im just here in the same place enjoying this amazing life. 💚
Who thinks the Skrill is cute?
💥😚
Only u hauahauahau
Me :v
Im gay for him and im pretty straight
Sorry I'm not gay NO HOMMO
Me cuz I think he's adorable
Skrillex = leyend
is it thelegend27?
who's the legend27?
SONIX yes he is leyend❤️
I hope this isn't the end you have been my inspiration for 8 years now I got into dj,mixing, dubstep cause of you I love you man dont leave now
*_TE AMO SKRILLEX ERES EL MEJOR Y SIEMPRE LO SERAS X FAVOR NO TE VALLAS_*
posser
Anni,¡!¡!¡LO MISMO DIGO YO ME QUITASTE LAS PALABRAS DE MI BOCA!¡!¡! ((I LOVE YUO SKRILLEX♥))
Debes ser mi elfa:'v
vayas*
Esto me hace sentir mal...
¡-¡
ШЕДЕВР МОНТАЖА!
Skrillex Brazil loves you, #SKRILLEXINBRAZIL2017
Every year I come back to this video, to make sure i'm still in the same place
Dude Montenegro is not in Spain... It's in Montenegro. :D
Montenegro, Spain
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
This article is about the hamlet. For the municipality in Castile and León, see Montenegro de Cameros.
Montenegro is a cortijada or hamlet part of the municipality of Alpujarra de la Sierra, Andalucía, Spain. It currently has only 5 adult inhabitants.
It is located on the old GR 7 trading route (now a long-distance footpath) that runs from Algeciras to Greece.
It was once owned by Aben Aboo, the last Moorish King in Spain [1] - successor to Aben Humeya. His possessions were redistributed to the Christian families of Blanco, Medina, Romera, Ruiz and Vela who were from other parts of Spain in 1652.[2]
References[edit]
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^ ""Alpujarra de la Sierra - Historia", Ayuntamiento de Alpujarra de la Sierra". Archived from the original on January 6, 2009. Retrieved 2008-11-02.
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^ ""Montenegro - Pictures - History"". Retrieved 2008-11-02.
It might exist, sure, but the place from the video was Sveti Stefan, Montenengro.
If you google it you can clearly see the bridge from the video.
He had a performance there this summer. A great one I might add. :)
Dragisa Boca thanks profesor nobody cares
Dragisa Boca yes youre right i seen that place
Dragisa Boca in 04:02 the policeman is talking in spanish and his uniform is what policeman wear here..in spain..
Music is here: 10:02 - 10:06
That Purple Lamborghini remix... 🔥
Much love Sonny
I❤
skrillex
Skrillex is live...Skrillex is love
Brazil suport you! We love ya, skril 🇧🇷❤️❤️❤️❤️
7:30 is awesome
Agreed brother. The song is Stephan Bodzin - Zulu, just in case you were wondering. Gives me goosebumps every time.
but how??
Rofl, I dare you to cry while being sober. What a YAAAWN moment.
6R4Y WÜLF we meet again :D
Nikola Knežević wassup bro
words cant describe how amazing sonny is.
I love you, Sonny ♥
if I had 3 wishes, my first would be to make my best friend not be blind anymore. My second would be to fix my mental health. my third would be to become this man's apprentice or something it would be nuts
random english comment passing through. nice video m8
2 years and Im still waiting for this ID
7:52 was that post malone?
i guess yeah
Skrillex thank you for existing