That's why I buy weatherby vanguards weather guard bronze models. Same really accurate howa action and barrel but the fit n finish is done by weatherby and it's smooth as silk. They put it through alot better process to smooth n lap machine marks and there cerakote is a lot better applied
Hey mate, I know it's been done about 2 million times by every other youtuber. But I'd be really interested in seeing a video on how you clean your rifles (how often, what products, ect...) cheers legend
This comment shows your lack of intelligence. 6.5CM does everything you need and nothing you don’t 🤷♂️. Perfect hunting calibre- 6.5x55 swede has been dropping moose across Europe for generations.
Great review mate. Have been looking at these for a while. Didn't get one as i also wanted it in 7mm08. I also have a rem 783 (in 308). Has not falted me yet.
This channel is the best. Reviewing rifles that are actually in reach of the average person. I love it!! Have 2 howas, Still completely devastated they don’t offer left handed actions otherwise I’d have 7 more. This is still high on the list as yet another bolt action I’d need to reach across the scope to reload
I have one in 308 and have found the the front piller isn't flat and have had to bed the rifle to get it to shoot moa had mine about 6 months now dream to carry
I nearly bought one of these in .308 3 months ago but I reckon it would have danced around a bit and felt a little chincy. There was a Bergara B14 crest on the shelf thats roughly .5kg heavier and im glad I went down that path
Just picked my pieces up in 308, didn't realise the shop was meant to assemble! I'm a newer shooter and have a Beretta shotgun, cz457 and tikka t3x 223 lite, and this feels like a bucket of shit in comparison. I haven't shot it yet but realised I walk around with a rifle 99.99% of the time not shooting so that Tikka bolt everyone froths over was a waste. Hoping for the best and have a lite muzzle brake for the sight in next weekend!
Interesting. I've been getting rid of most of my Talleys in favor of pic rails. Makes it so much easier for eye relief adjustments. Plus, I use the rings with the 1/2" bolt so I can level ONE scope and transition it from rifle to rifle - stays locked in the rings, just loosen the bolt and move rifle to rifle. I now have 2 Tikka 6.5 CM, one a stainless lite, the other a stainless super lite. Killed a whitetail with it. Did the exact same thing as my old 300 RUM. Dead deer, tag filled, snack stix, jerky, summer sausage in the fridge and freezer. It is now the smallest cartridge I own. Prior to that, the 6.5-284 Norma which is still one of my all time favorites.
@@fhckoutdoors I do a lot of handloading and it's just much easier on me to use a range scope and switch it from rifle to rifle. When you have 8-10 at the range it seems to work well so far. Keeps me from having to buy a scope for each rifle. I do have a few still with Talleys but I now prefer pic rails.
@@Paul-lk4np Yes. But what I've noticed is if the cartridge is similar, say a 270 Win and a 280 Rem or 30-06, it's not off by much. However, I did find that taking the scope system off a 6.5 Creedmoor and putting it on my 300 Win Mag, it was not even on paper so I do the usual and take the bolt out, look through the bore, center it up on target at 100 yards, and adjust the scope accordingly. This is the one downside but it saves a TON of money by not having to buy a scope for every rifle. My problem is I have a LOT of rifles and that gets expensive. I came to the conclusion I can't hunt with them all at the same time and when I do go on a hunt I always take 2 rifles in case something happens to one and each has it's own scope sighted in of course but I'm talking about rangetime and convenience while swapping scope rifle to rifle. In the above situation I mentioned from Creedmoor to 300WM, I didn't think it would be so drastic because both are identical stainless Tikka T3x Lite rifles with identical Leupold scope rails. I do agree with the guy who made this video in regards to Talley rings. I do love them and still have a few but until I decide I want ONE scope for ONE rifle and shoots to my satisfaction, it's getting the rail and changeable scope until I work up a load or end up selling the rifle or sometimes I'll customize it and keep it. I had to do this with my first Tikka T3x stainless in 308. Just didn't shoot to Tikka's MOA guarantee and I didn't want the hassle of sending it to the manufacturer so I put a cut-rifled Brux barrel on it and an AG Composite stock still in 308 and it's insane accurate now.
ha ha ha ha ha. yeh I bought an elite In 6.5CM and had to do heaps to it! Stock touching barrel in few places, a shitty shim in-between front pillar, bolt sounds like my swag zapper. ha ha ha. all sorted now with a zerotech sending it. I will say I did get mine down to 1.3 break. and lock tightened 🍻
High velocity hunting Australia has a 1.5 lbs trigger spring for the howa’s for $15 plus postage I think. Pretty easy install and makes the tigger a lot nicer than factory. Cheap and easy fix rather then buying a timney tigger or screwing around with the internals to much. Only thing is, you’re kinda stuck with what you got unless you mess around with it a bit further.
Yeah in the US they are available in 308, 6.5, 243 and 7-08. In Australian only 308 and 6.5. Not sure if they’ll bother sending the other calibers here though
Well aware of the legal minimum for sambar in Vic. Arbitrary to say the least, considering 357mag is legal, and has much, much less capability than any of the 6.5 cartridges.
considering how cheap they are not too bad, usually the barrels aren't too great finish wise from the factory. once they're broken in they seem to shoot fine. Doesn't help the cheap stocks with they come with aren't the greatest
Correct me if I’m wrong but with a 20” barrel the 308 actually beats a 6.5 in every aspect out to 300 or so metres yeah? Faster, flatter more energy ect The 6.5 needs a much longer barrel to actually achieve what it’s capable of as far as what iv learnt from the InTErnEt 😅there for the 308 is a much better option in this rifle or any 20” barrelled hunting rifle really
You can push an equal weight projectile faster out of a 308 but because of how low the BC is it loses velocity quickly, drops faster and does not retain energy. You can push heavier bullets, but then you lose trajectory. I’ll do a video explaining the two out of a 20” barrel.
308 might start out faster but I bet the 6.5 with it's high BC bullet will be going faster at 300 yards with almost the same energy level as the 308 with a lot less drop and wind drift. The only advantage for 308 would be heavier bullets for close range shots at elk,, moose, bear. For most all other varmit, deer, antelope, and even elk with solid copper bullets I would prefer the 6.5 due to better trajectory and lower recoil.
@@jeffcopenhaver2217 less recoil, short action vs long action etc etc etc... Blokes who are far better shooters than you created it, so I guess they know what they're doing. The only problem with the Creedmoor is it got TOO hyped up and promoted, and people started thinking it was being described as the ultimate everything calibre, when in fact it was designed specifically for long range target shooting. Simple. And it does that extremely well.
I don’t understand those guys who buy a gun at this price point and then start complaining about it when they could’ve gone to Smith or custom shop and get one for around $12-$15,000
The Howa trigger adjustment screw you referred to can only adjust the 1st stage trigger weight. The second stage, from memory, is set by the heavy looking spring under the tilting firing pin sear. As far as I know, the only way to adjust the second pull weight is to replace that spring which, is not advisable as the spring is a kind of counter balance/pressure settup in combination with the firing pin spring pressure exerted 90 degrees to the firing pin spring direction. The heavy spring in the trigger is set up as a firing pin spring reduction ratio whereby that main sear spring takes most of the firing pin spring 90 deg offset pressure, allowing the the trigger sear proper to act under a ratio far less than the firing pin spring pressure would exert directly upon the sear. In other words, it can/is very dodgy to fuck with that spring weight. The trigger can be taken apart via the side plate cover. You can see how they work as a kind of balance settup or sort of torque limiter for the very fine trigger sear.
Thanks & excellent vid by the way. Something else I've found which you may find useful with the Howa trigger is to keep a thin smear of grease on top of that firing pin sear/catch. Because of the way that trigger system operates, the firing pin catch has to drag along the sear due to the constant upward spring pressure after the firing pin is released. I started applying grease when I noticed the firing pin fall sounded different with nearly every trigger pull & sometimes it looked & sounded quite anaemic. The grease improved the firing pin fall a good deal.
Need the man bun now...bhahahhaha. i think howa need to come out with some pimped rifles. I guess they are cheap i guess because they are basic. Obviously a business strategy
Wrecked the plastic bottom “metal” on my HOWA Mini Action in 7.62 X 39 just torquing it down during assembly. It was pretty flimsy; that one looks a bit better…
That's why I buy weatherby vanguards weather guard bronze models. Same really accurate howa action and barrel but the fit n finish is done by weatherby and it's smooth as silk. They put it through alot better process to smooth n lap machine marks and there cerakote is a lot better applied
Hey mate, I know it's been done about 2 million times by every other youtuber. But I'd be really interested in seeing a video on how you clean your rifles (how often, what products, ect...) cheers legend
I get asked to do this enough, I may as well.
Me too.
There’s a fair bit of evidence now that shows breaking in barrels and cleaning them achieves nothing.
All 6.5CM should be sold with a complimentary tin of leg-wax and a clip-on man-bun.
All 308’s should be sold with 308 vs 6.5CM ballistic data
This comment shows your lack of intelligence.
6.5CM does everything you need and nothing you don’t 🤷♂️.
Perfect hunting calibre-
6.5x55 swede has been dropping moose across Europe for generations.
Great review mate. Have been looking at these for a while. Didn't get one as i also wanted it in 7mm08. I also have a rem 783 (in 308). Has not falted me yet.
nice work
Butane Blow torch on the glue/silicone then wash the trigger out with two stroke or acetone - replacement trigger spring and off to the races 👍
This channel is the best. Reviewing rifles that are actually in reach of the average person. I love it!! Have 2 howas, Still completely devastated they don’t offer left handed actions otherwise I’d have 7 more. This is still high on the list as yet another bolt action I’d need to reach across the scope to reload
Thanks mate. I feel sorry for you lefties, always getting the short end of the stick
@@fhckoutdoors no you don’t😂 if I was 10 years older my pop would’ve beaten it out of me anyway!(he still wanted to in 91’)
Curious to see how it groups.
I have one in 308 and have found the the front piller isn't flat and have had to bed the rifle to get it to shoot moa had mine about 6 months now dream to carry
I nearly bought one of these in .308 3 months ago but I reckon it would have danced around a bit and felt a little chincy. There was a Bergara B14 crest on the shelf thats roughly .5kg heavier and im glad I went down that path
Just picked my pieces up in 308, didn't realise the shop was meant to assemble!
I'm a newer shooter and have a Beretta shotgun, cz457 and tikka t3x 223 lite, and this feels like a bucket of shit in comparison.
I haven't shot it yet but realised I walk around with a rifle 99.99% of the time not shooting so that Tikka bolt everyone froths over was a waste.
Hoping for the best and have a lite muzzle brake for the sight in next weekend!
Interesting. I've been getting rid of most of my Talleys in favor of pic rails. Makes it so much easier for eye relief adjustments. Plus, I use the rings with the 1/2" bolt so I can level ONE scope and transition it from rifle to rifle - stays locked in the rings, just loosen the bolt and move rifle to rifle. I now have 2 Tikka 6.5 CM, one a stainless lite, the other a stainless super lite. Killed a whitetail with it. Did the exact same thing as my old 300 RUM. Dead deer, tag filled, snack stix, jerky, summer sausage in the fridge and freezer. It is now the smallest cartridge I own. Prior to that, the 6.5-284 Norma which is still one of my all time favorites.
I prefer direct mount where I can. However, I do have a number of rifles with pic rails because I do change scopes on them.
@@fhckoutdoors I do a lot of handloading and it's just much easier on me to use a range scope and switch it from rifle to rifle. When you have 8-10 at the range it seems to work well so far. Keeps me from having to buy a scope for each rifle. I do have a few still with Talleys but I now prefer pic rails.
@@derekmcmurry do you have to sight in every time you change it over? Like the idea
@@Paul-lk4np Yes. But what I've noticed is if the cartridge is similar, say a 270 Win and a 280 Rem or 30-06, it's not off by much. However, I did find that taking the scope system off a 6.5 Creedmoor and putting it on my 300 Win Mag, it was not even on paper so I do the usual and take the bolt out, look through the bore, center it up on target at 100 yards, and adjust the scope accordingly. This is the one downside but it saves a TON of money by not having to buy a scope for every rifle. My problem is I have a LOT of rifles and that gets expensive. I came to the conclusion I can't hunt with them all at the same time and when I do go on a hunt I always take 2 rifles in case something happens to one and each has it's own scope sighted in of course but I'm talking about rangetime and convenience while swapping scope rifle to rifle.
In the above situation I mentioned from Creedmoor to 300WM, I didn't think it would be so drastic because both are identical stainless Tikka T3x Lite rifles with identical Leupold scope rails. I do agree with the guy who made this video in regards to Talley rings. I do love them and still have a few but until I decide I want ONE scope for ONE rifle and shoots to my satisfaction, it's getting the rail and changeable scope until I work up a load or end up selling the rifle or sometimes I'll customize it and keep it. I had to do this with my first Tikka T3x stainless in 308. Just didn't shoot to Tikka's MOA guarantee and I didn't want the hassle of sending it to the manufacturer so I put a cut-rifled Brux barrel on it and an AG Composite stock still in 308 and it's insane accurate now.
The 6.5cm got you, don't turn your nose up at us regular hunters now your a fancy hunter😂.
Gun looks very sweet
ha ha ha ha ha. yeh I bought an elite In 6.5CM and had to do heaps to it! Stock touching barrel in few places, a shitty shim in-between front pillar, bolt sounds like my swag zapper. ha ha ha. all sorted now with a zerotech sending it.
I will say I did get mine down to 1.3 break. and lock tightened 🍻
Would also like to add, looking at magazine conversion, but not sold on it yet.
Originally purchased and setup for kids for later down track 🍻🤘
High velocity hunting Australia has a 1.5 lbs trigger spring for the howa’s for $15 plus postage I think. Pretty easy install and makes the tigger a lot nicer than factory. Cheap and easy fix rather then buying a timney tigger or screwing around with the internals to much. Only thing is, you’re kinda stuck with what you got unless you mess around with it a bit further.
Thanks mate, I’ll look up high velocity.
I think they just announced the 7-08 for this year, when they make their way up to Canada I might have to pick one up.
Yeah in the US they are available in 308, 6.5, 243 and 7-08. In Australian only 308 and 6.5. Not sure if they’ll bother sending the other calibers here though
@@fhckoutdoors Makes sense, it seems like it takes about a year for the new stuff to get up here from the states, but at least we usually get it.
That zip noise… arrgh!!!!
Looks good, but 6.5 won't be legal for sambar. Just need to know when they will bring one out in the 300 RUM.
Well aware of the legal minimum for sambar in Vic. Arbitrary to say the least, considering 357mag is legal, and has much, much less capability than any of the 6.5 cartridges.
Ive never had a Howa that didn't shoot exceptionally well. What will you be hunting with it?
Pigs, goats and dogs most likely
considering how cheap they are not too bad, usually the barrels aren't too great finish wise from the factory. once they're broken in they seem to shoot fine. Doesn't help the cheap stocks with they come with aren't the greatest
OMG you've got a Needsmore lol! I do however agree it's the best of those 2 choices!
it all looked good till I saw it was chambered in 6.5 Manbun!
So until you read the title
@@fhckoutdoors Correct! I had a good laugh as you gave me permission to use the Manbun title. I just didn't think it would be on you.
Is that a cerakote finish or blued ?
Blued
Next you’ll be growing a manbun!!🙄
Yes, obviously.
keen to see your thoughts I'm looking at one for Goats, Fallow etc 6.5c should go alright
Correct me if I’m wrong but with a 20” barrel the 308 actually beats a 6.5 in every aspect out to 300 or so metres yeah? Faster, flatter more energy ect The 6.5 needs a much longer barrel to actually achieve what it’s capable of as far as what iv learnt from the InTErnEt 😅there for the 308 is a much better option in this rifle or any 20” barrelled hunting rifle really
You can push an equal weight projectile faster out of a 308 but because of how low the BC is it loses velocity quickly, drops faster and does not retain energy. You can push heavier bullets, but then you lose trajectory. I’ll do a video explaining the two out of a 20” barrel.
308 might start out faster but I bet the 6.5 with it's high BC bullet will be going faster at 300 yards with almost the same energy level as the 308 with a lot less drop and wind drift. The only advantage for 308 would be heavier bullets for close range shots at elk,, moose, bear. For most all other varmit, deer, antelope, and even elk with solid copper bullets I would prefer the 6.5 due to better trajectory and lower recoil.
Probably end up even lighter with a 7mm 08 barrel with same profile I would think.
Lol once i was in my local gunshop someone reffered to the calibre as a gucci calibre bhahhahahahhaha
Hahaha
Still haven’t been able to figure out what the almighty 6.5 CM can do that my 6.5 Swede can’t…
@@jeffcopenhaver2217 less recoil, short action vs long action etc etc etc... Blokes who are far better shooters than you created it, so I guess they know what they're doing. The only problem with the Creedmoor is it got TOO hyped up and promoted, and people started thinking it was being described as the ultimate everything calibre, when in fact it was designed specifically for long range target shooting. Simple. And it does that extremely well.
I don’t understand those guys who buy a gun at this price point and then start complaining about it when they could’ve gone to Smith or custom shop and get one for around $12-$15,000
7mm-08 gang
Should have got a 308😂 6.5 a paper cartridge
Fuck 308
😂
The Howa trigger adjustment screw you referred to can only adjust the 1st stage trigger weight. The second stage, from memory, is set by the heavy looking spring under the tilting firing pin sear. As far as I know, the only way to adjust the second pull weight is to replace that spring which, is not advisable as the spring is a kind of counter balance/pressure settup in combination with the firing pin spring pressure exerted 90 degrees to the firing pin spring direction.
The heavy spring in the trigger is set up as a firing pin spring reduction ratio whereby that main sear spring takes most of the firing pin spring 90 deg offset pressure, allowing the the trigger sear proper to act under a ratio far less than the firing pin spring pressure would exert directly upon the sear.
In other words, it can/is very dodgy to fuck with that spring weight.
The trigger can be taken apart via the side plate cover. You can see how they work as a kind of balance settup or sort of torque limiter for the very fine trigger sear.
Thank you, very well explained
Thanks & excellent vid by the way.
Something else I've found which you may find useful with the Howa trigger is to keep a thin smear of grease on top of that firing pin sear/catch. Because of the way that trigger system operates, the firing pin catch has to drag along the sear due to the constant upward spring pressure after the firing pin is released. I started applying grease when I noticed the firing pin fall sounded different with nearly every trigger pull & sometimes it looked & sounded quite anaemic. The grease improved the firing pin fall a good deal.
Need the man bun now...bhahahhaha. i think howa need to come out with some pimped rifles. I guess they are cheap i guess because they are basic. Obviously a business strategy
Their business model is to build barreled actions and then use other companies stocks and accessories. Solid model really.
How bout hating on the 7mm 08, just because it’s name is dumb.
Firstly mixing metric and imperial.
Secondly the 08 doesn’t actually mean anything
Wait until you hear about 6.5-284, 6.5-06 and 7mm-300
08 is because it's parent cartridge is the 308
What's this fuckery about not showing the removal of action out of the stock???
Because it will get demonetised.
@@fhckoutdoors no shit
Cursing is a sign of vocabulary shortage😅
Commenting about cursing is a sign of penis shortage.
@@fhckoutdoors takes one to know one
@@cabochris100 Ah yes, the old faithful “no you” defence.
Wrecked the plastic bottom “metal” on my HOWA Mini Action in 7.62 X 39 just torquing it down during assembly. It was pretty flimsy; that one looks a bit better…
We'll see.