What makes this worse is that these should be the default versions. They are the ones that should be most readily available. It was certainly not made clear enough that they would become so unattainable so soon. People were effectively penalised for not having enough disposable income to be able buy them straight away.
According to Andrew at Parlogram, Apple lost money on the Mono Box. They know there's demand now. That's why they included the mono mix of Revolver in the box set. Hopefully, they continue doing that. If they ever repressed the mono box I don't think it would be until well after they've completed the remixes and used the mono albums as a selling point.
You’re overlooking the law of supply of demand. One reason they’re so expensive is its rarity. They wouldn’t be asking $1500-$2000 for 13 records that would be in the mono box. That would mean they would be asking over $100 for each LP. The LPs are only expensive now because they were limited in quantity. The 2012 stereo equivalents are much cheaper because of the quantities available.
Sadly, my mother was terminally ill and passed away in October of 2014. Due to the financial woes and upheaval, I was never able to afford it. Thankfully I have found UK mono pressings in VG+/EX- condition in the intervening years for good prices.
Look, I’m fine with this box remaining an aspirational collector’s item. It was a huge undertaking to master these in all analogue and the stampers wore out. But for god’s sake, it shouldn’t be as hard as it is to hear the Beatles in mono. At the very least, reissue the CD set and make the mono albums available separately on vinyl for £20 a pop at most, I don’t care if they have to cut it digitally. As it stands, you have to hunt down a CD set that isn’t a bootleg, or a beat up original/1981 repress mono for each album.
There are quite good alternatives though! I made some video’s about alternatives and as a matter of fact the latest mono reissue of Revolver is in my opinion even better than the 2014 one.
As far as I know, EMI/Apple manufactured 50.000 copies of this box worldwide, but they made no profit from it. So a re-release will not happen. I'm glad I bought it on release in 2014. They sound great but 1960's originals sound even better. The book included in the box is fantastic with pictures of tape boxes and studio documents. Unfortunately, two mono tracks officially released in the 1960's are not included in the box; Tomorrow Never Knows (mono remix 11, only on the first few days pressings of UK mono Revolver, all others have remix 8) and US Capitol's promo single version of Penny Lane with the trumpet ending. These two combined could make a great Record Store Day single some day. But that would probably never happen.
Oh they'll re-release the mono boxset on vinyl, it just won't be off the original analogue masters, there'll be digital pressings. The Analogue masters, with the unrelenting passage of time, have become pretty fragile. They'll most likely never see another pressing.
Hear LOVE ME DO,SHE LOVES YOU,single mix of HELP!,PS I LOVE YOU,ILL GET YOU in twin-track for the first time!!Extended (later) fades for Paperback Writer ,Day Tripper and more,I'm Looking Through You,and more.The film exclusive mixes for A Hard Day's Night and Tell Me Why,and Help! debuting in this set! Single track vocal mixes for And I Love Her and If I Fell in stereo!!From Me To You and Thank You Girl mirroring the mono mixes,now in stereo!!
I bought it too back in 2014 and 2 month later a turntable with a mono cartridge just to listen in full mono experience. Since then I don't listen to the stereo versions.
I completely agree with you take on this. Releasing another mono box set even now 2 yrs later is not maximizing its value as a product in relationship to all of the other products in cycle now. Revolver 2022 the exception?
I think the 2022 Revolver box set is brilliant. I think the 2022 mono pressing in that box is even better than the 2014 one. Only thing I prefer above that is the OG, but we are really in incredible regions with all three of them.
Found 2 copies in 2016 in a small record shop in New Hampshire- sadly I only bought 1 , for the original price of around $300 , have never opened it , bought all the albums separately to play
Very well stated. I've been collecting vinyl for close to 50 years & these boxes sat for a long time with all the rest of audiophile releases. I never thought we would see the rebirth, let alone the current vinyl rage. High end 2 channel was dieing a slow death but then came the rebirth of high end headphones which ultimately developed into the interest in 2 channel with the renewed interest in analog, thank you to the millennials! The only real future issue I see developing is the people building high end cartridges are aging out with so few going into the industry. Take Peter from Soundsmith, a truly gifted engineer, once he is gone I don't know of anybody that could fill his shoes. BTW, the 82 Jpn red wax monos are equally as spectacular. As you said, they tipped their hand when they didn't use the analog tapes for the Let It Be reissue, pretty disrespectful to the band & their fans.
We will see another Mono box, but in another 30 years. By then it won’t matter to most of us as far as sound is concerned because we’ll be either dead or reached an age where we can’t hear beyond 12Khz. Unfortunately Apple takes forever to release material from the vaults. This is why the much maligned bootlegs are the true treasures as they provide the fan with stuff they’ve been craving for. Apple missed out on billions of dollars in profits due to their own stupidity.
Perfect overview. I wound love an analog stereo set for those who don’t have it. It would sell these out today. Agree it’s a bigger audiophile audience. Hell people are paying $125 for one Hendrix, Eagles and Van Halen albums today ✌🏼
Agree! A Stereo analogue box (or even standalone editions) would be awesome! Then again; there are loads of albums which would fit perfect into the UHQR or One Step format (Velvet Underground, Queen, Led Zeppelin, David Bowie). There are a lot of classic albums that would really improve from this approach.
Hopefully, they will continue packaging the mono albums with the remix box sets as they did with Revolver. People are paying more for individual mono pressings than the price of the remix box sets and Apple knows it. That still leaves the issue of The White Album and Sgt. Pepper's. They could do a limited run of 60th-anniversary editions of those two albums, include the mono albums, and sell every one they produce.
I guess we're gonna find out the moment the new Revoler release hits the stores. Will this 'original mono mix' be an All Analogue from the Mono-Master? Like the box?
That'll be great. I have all but one of the individual ones (SGT PEPPER) and a re-release would help me out. Meanwhile, however, I did pick up a nice-sounding mono original pressing on Capitol and I have the Pepper Box Set as well as the Mono CD set. I just need that one (expletive understood) LP!
This guy nailed it. Revolver box shows the way forward for Apple. The mono LPs will be an incentive to buy the boxes for all the early albums. Wish Sgt Pepper had a mono LP in the box, but that seems to have been the prototype, because it also has the mishandling of Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane. Would have been great if it also had an ep release like Revolver with the Mono and Remaster.
yeah !!!! your right ... i never thought about it that way ... but yes ... your right ... single LP releases boxset are more profitable !!!! ... the thing is ... that "nerds" like me that have the Mono box still buys the LP single boxes ... lol ... so ... why Apple would release another box with all the albuns ... yeah yeah yeah .... and ... the Rooftop Concert ... is missing in the LET IT BE boxset too
Yes, I think they will continue with remix and out-takes LPs from the earlier years but after they have released all the remaining albums they may get around to re-releasing. the Mono Masters again. It could be quite a few years from now though.
I guess you're right, and if they do that we might even be a decade away from that (and I guess they would go for standalone editions then). But who knows where the vinyl-world will be in 10 years?
@@top5records796 I was able to buy The Mono Masters off Amazon last year for around $80 Australian. There must still be some new copies of it out there.
As I’ve stated on another video of this nature, I have all but 3 of these LPs bought individually. There is another option however that gets little discussion. There was a Beatles Mono CD box set which I also have which is the best digital versions of these recordings. They are out there and turn up on Ebay etc now and then.
The original Mono Box actually lost money for Apple/Universal. Universal has put their vinyl prices through the roof in the last couple of years (2-Disc Imagine was atound $60 CDN, so was Working Class Hero…POB was around 100. Original 1-disc Beatles were around $30, and are now around $50. One can only imagine what even single album versions of mono reissues would go for now. Straight up Reissues would only devalue what the original 200g monos are going for today…
I guess you are right about Apple/Universal losing money over the box. But a devaluation of the 2014 mono editions would not be a problem for them. (Because they are not making money for what the 2014 mono’s are doing on Ebay/Discogs/Amazon). I guess devaluation of the album and not being able to get proper momentum for a (re) release is a much bigger fear for Apple/Universal.
Who cares if new issues devalue older issues. It is about the music first. Apple didn’t do well back then but the potential audience is ten times bigger today. The plates are ready to repress the mono records but they are in to newer things. I think selling these for $30-35 today they would do just fine. 🎶✌🏼
I've been a Beatles fan for my whole life. My earliest memories involve the impact of sensational releases such as *She Loves You" and *I Want To Hold Your Hand*. More than anything else, I attribute my lifelong career as a professional musician to my fascination and obsession with The Beatles. Nevertheless, I've now reached a stage where I'm simply disgusted by their greed
You’re right. That is also what makes me suspicious for their future plans. A remix does take some effort and if Apple Records is convinced a remix is more interesting for the current market than a good pressing of the original mastertapes we’re out of luck.
Will the 2009 mono CDs ever be re-released, either individually or in the box set? They are pricey online. There are many counterfeits out there to avoid.
I always wondered why all the Box sets ever since 2009 ends with the Past Masters albums, instead of including the other after 1970 official releases by EMI/Apple such as the live album, Anthology series, Yellow Submarine 1999 Songtrack, Let It Be Naked, the Love album or even the Live at the BBC recordings and the compilations (red, blue and 1) even after having the same remastering treatment as the studio albums. Yellow Submarine Songtrack as gorgeus as it is my only tweak would be change the tracklist sequence in order to match with the songs as how they appear in the movie.
That is an interesting question. I can only speculate about the answer but my main guess is that they focus on the albums which have the biggest market value. I don't think old compilations and Yellow Submarine are big sellers for todays market (I think the compilation market has changed with the coming of digital music). For the live recordings; there are not a lot of good Beatles live redcordings available. I have the Hamburg show and the Hollywood Bowl show and it's mostly a lot of noice. I really think that's a pity and I hope they will one day release the Apple Rooftop all analogue.
@@top5records796 As you mentioned in your video, 2025 will be the 30th anniversary of the Anthology series wich was the biggest Beatles related project before the 2009 remasters , so probably that will mean a release of the 3 volumes together, 4K Bluray and who knows with and expanded volume 4. The inclusion of the related releases in the 2017 DeAgostini collection made me wonder about their future in this decade box sets to come.
I have this box set, and it's still sealed. But I had to pay over $800 for it on Ebay a year after it went out of print. Good thing I bought it because now I wouldn't be able to afford a sealed one.
have they ever thought about releasing the mono albums individually, separately? so it would be more affordable to get them one by one. why is that never a thing?
They actually have in 2014. I think our best bet, for getting the AA mono versions, might be a individual release annually on the records birthday. But since Apple Records seem to me mostly occupied with getting remixes out annually I’m not counting on it. But there are awesome alternatives to the 2014 mono versions!
You're right about that box. If this us mono crap came out like it has. This is absolute garbage. If they think that the nostalgia will be there for this in 8 years it won't! With that format of a 2 LP interview cut and paste. You have a better time using it as your floor mat for when you get out of the shower.
Well now you see and know this is true but not true. The box sets have started to include mono reissues but that may stop so you never know. I might think APPLE won’t release anything ever again…
That model box didn't sell well when it was released. That's part of the reason why as I dictate this it's probably worth more like $3,000 for a pristine vinyl edition. Apple has their head up their ass. And it won't be dislodged from there anytime soon.
It'll come, money is money. Hardcore enthusiasts already have it, newbs will not be buying individual releases at 100+ Euros per album, doesn't matter how many stupid poster, and extras you put into a box.
Well they just might. To be quite frank I think the next year will be very important in finding out what their tactics will be for the coming years with The Beatles-catalogue. With the 50th anniversary editions you might expect they’d jump the bandwagon of going all-analogue, but they didn’t do that. We also have reason to believe that someone is being very protective with regards to the original masters leaving the faults; for example, most of the MFSL-editions weren’t even from the mastertapes. But doing single represses of (some) of these 2014 mono versions might be an obvious way to go. Does leave the question; why didn’t we get them when when The White Album and Sgt. Peppers had their anniversary? So Apple Records doesn’t go for the obvious route (almost everybody expected a repress of Let it Be…Naked last year. this one goes for about 200,- online). But they didn’t include it. Let’s hope for the best but I’m afraid they have pointed their arrows at new mixes, remasters and demos. But I truly hope I’m wrong.
They should have just kept the individual albums in print. The Beach Boys Pet Sounds is still available in stereo and mono, what's the problem with the Beatles?
I get where you’re coming from but on the other hand, those single album box sets are all about the extras so the market for those are your big Beatles fans, the single album anniversary editions are for those that don’t care about audiophile quality and just want to own the albums and build their Beatles collection. But right now there is a big market for audiophile records that keeps growing. If Apple and the estates of each Beatle aren’t recognizing this growing market than they aren’t paying attention. They could have their cake and eat it too. Right now there are enough people in each level of the market to keep the anniversary edition reissues going and put out an all analog box set. If they did another release of the Mono box I bet they could sell 10,000 in a few weeks if not a week. I bet you the new price for the box set would be double what they originally sold it for which would not appeal to most of your new collectors and all the collectors that don’t care about audiophile vinyl. I think a good price point would be between $700-$900 dollars. And I would buy it!
@@AsTheTableTurns Yes it wouldn't be far off..I would like to think a all analogue stereo box will be pressed,, with quality flip back laminated sleeves..
@@top5records796 Well,it would have to start as CD,as a few tracks were only able to be sourced from that configuration.If those sources could be analog-warmed,then it's a possibility for vinyl.
That’s right. Though in some cases (for example the Abbey Road) I believe they did not really go for a new mix… But I would have to do an A to Z comparison to say that (I believe Michael Fremor said something in that sense).
@@top5records796 The Abbey Road by Giles Martin is a remix. But it is much less obvious because was recorded on 8 tracks and by then the experience of mixing stereo had matured. The early LPs were not stereo. They were pre-mixed MONO -- the standard was to record all music on one track, all vocals on the other track, then mix those to MONO. That's why the "hole in the middle" of the NOT-stereo -- which was eliminated by, as all along intended, mixing to MONO. George Martin explains all that in his book "All You Need is Ears".
@@top5records796 I have mixed feelings about it. I grew up with "The Beatles" and the original (US) releases. On the other hand, I can see reason to improve mixes, because as excellent as the recordings were in the first instances, there is lightyear's better technology today. And I found it interesting that Jackson who like to hear what can be done with the Hamburg tapes with the software developed for use on the "Get Back" video series: that made it possible to separate the different voices and instruments, and adjust their levels individually, so conversations buried under loud music could be captured. It they could do the equivalent with the one-track mono Hamburg tapes it might be worth doing.
@@jnagarya519 you are quite right that it is interesting and to keep an open mind about what Peter Jackson can do with this new technique. Although I must admit that his definition of what feels authentic and makes archive comes to life differs from mine.
In the case of digital recording there is indeed a different situation going on. When the source is analoge though the situation is far from meaningless. As a matter of fact even with a digital recording, if it is translates to analog tape, the texture of analog tape does something to the sound.
@@jnagarya519 I know what you’re saying, but I’m not getting off on distortion. It is often confused but I can hear the difference (I have a bachelor degree sound design so I actually should know the difference).
@@top5records796 There is distortion introduced by the tape. That is removed by the digital. There is distortion introduced by the stylus-in-groove. There is distortion introduced by tubes. It is mistaken as "warmth". The analog is transformed to digital anyway.
This dispute is largely a result of an artificially created hype. If you listen to Day Tripper/We Can Work It Out in stereo US you won't want the mono versions anymore. Many Beatles albums sound better in stereo. And if you don't like wide panning, there's an equalizer for that.
Are you basing this solely on the Day Tripper/We Can Work It Out single? I can not understand why you would call this a created hype. There are loads of accounts on which people have stated the differences between the differences in songs in mono and stereo, going as far as different edits and takes being used (let alone the difference in mixing). It is simply a fact that until Magical Mystery Tour the stereo mix would not get the same amount of attention as the mono mix. In a lot of times it would not even get a fifth of the time the mono mix would get. Most often being made in the absence of the artists. I can name loads of albums on which the attitude and meaning of a record is different on the stereo or the mono version. No hype, anyone can hear it.
@@top5records796 This is just one example, as is obvious from my wording. When someone wants to illustrate a thought and not go into an endless enumeration of everything that prompted him to this thought, he gives one example, which is the most revealing. I could give many other examples, but I won't. Your head is filled with formal information about the role of mono mixes, you mindlessly repeat other people's press releases. And I rely on my own ears and can independently tell where the mix is good or bad, and why. I don't care who was present during the mixing, how much time they spent on it and how many parrots in their blogs are now praising it for money. And what's wrong with the Day Tripper/We Can Work It Out US single? Is there something you don't like about it?
@@debessar95 there is no reason for you to assume that I copy my opinion from other peoples opinions or press releases. I have done three full videos on Beatles pressings alone in which I myself did comparisons. As a matter of fact all of my comparison videos show what I'm comparing and that I'm using my own ears.
@@top5records796 It's obvious to me that you don't have an opinion, because only a person who is biased or who doesn't understand music can make an unambiguous choice only in favor of mono or stereo. I asked you what is wrong with the stereo mix of the 1965 US single. Just that it's not mono?
@@debessar95 again; I do not understand where you base these assumptions on. I am not making an unambigious choice for stereo or mono. In general I prefer the Beatles mono versions and there are good reasons for that; yet I have made 3 full videos about Beatles pressings in which I compare versions and I even recommend some stereo versions. I responded to your very balt statement that the mono was a ‘created hype’ and I gave you reasons for why it is not a created hype. In general I prefer mono but I also collect the stereo versions because obviously these mixes and pressings differ and can surprise one. I do not own the single you are talking about. I asked you a question about it because I thought it would be very balt to disregard the entire mono/stereo discussion and differences based on one single. You commented on the entire mono-catalogue as being one big hype. I give historical examples why there are clear differences (and in general the mono mixes have gotten more attention) and I have several videos in which I go into the differences between pressings and I am holding the actual pressings. Your statements about my so-called biases and ‘not having an opinion’ are based on nothing but your own biases. The proof is out there in my videos. You make a argument with no fundament, make it immediately personal and very unfriendly.
I’m only interested in their work between “Rubber Soul” and “White Album”. I don’t care about the earlier stuff. I own the Mono CD box and their earlier work, sounds muffled and muddy already on the CDs. Not likely they’d get better on vinyl. Of the range I stated above, I’m only missing “Rubber Soul”, but I’ll get it eventually. Probably on their next box release if they do the same as with “Revolver “.
I have spent a fortune on Beatles music and memorabilia. I have the 1968 mono version and the 2018 stereo version of the White Album. For some reason I never bought the 2014 mono box set and I'm glad I didn't. I recently bought a new 2014 mono version of the White Album and what a disappointment. The 2014 mono box set is just a steaming pile of dung. It's a nice DISPLAY box but the vinyl isn't the best. Don't buy it. Buy the original UK pressings, those are the ones to buy.
That is actually not my bottomline. As a matter of fact I'm working on a video as an alternative; there are better and cheaper options to find good (sometimes even better pressings).
So….this costs 2000€ but older pressings sound better but are only „pretty good“……? I only believe BLIND TESTS in my presence. NOBODY talks about how terribly high the bass is at the beginning von Drive my car…. So, people have ears to recognize the 1963, 1978, 1982 and 2014 mono pressings…..but cant hear a quarter tone difference….. Bla bla bla bla.
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What makes this worse is that these should be the default versions. They are the ones that should be most readily available.
It was certainly not made clear enough that they would become so unattainable so soon. People were effectively penalised for not having enough disposable income to be able buy them straight away.
According to Andrew at Parlogram, Apple lost money on the Mono Box. They know there's demand now. That's why they included the mono mix of Revolver in the box set. Hopefully, they continue doing that. If they ever repressed the mono box I don't think it would be until well after they've completed the remixes and used the mono albums as a selling point.
You’re overlooking the law of supply of demand. One reason they’re so expensive is its rarity. They wouldn’t be asking $1500-$2000 for 13 records that would be in the mono box. That would mean they would be asking over $100 for each LP. The LPs are only expensive now because they were limited in quantity. The 2012 stereo equivalents are much cheaper because of the quantities available.
As soon as I heard that The Beatles in Mono was going to get an all Analog Vinyl 2014 release, I ordered without hesitation. I’m so glad I did.
Sadly, my mother was terminally ill and passed away in October of 2014. Due to the financial woes and upheaval, I was never able to afford it.
Thankfully I have found UK mono pressings in VG+/EX- condition in the intervening years for good prices.
It was not all analog. It's DSD. Digital release.
Same
I was a kid and living in Argentina; unfair that there's no a repress on the horizon to be honest.
@@debessar95 it's NOT - all analog !
Look, I’m fine with this box remaining an aspirational collector’s item. It was a huge undertaking to master these in all analogue and the stampers wore out. But for god’s sake, it shouldn’t be as hard as it is to hear the Beatles in mono. At the very least, reissue the CD set and make the mono albums available separately on vinyl for £20 a pop at most, I don’t care if they have to cut it digitally. As it stands, you have to hunt down a CD set that isn’t a bootleg, or a beat up original/1981 repress mono for each album.
There are quite good alternatives though! I made some video’s about alternatives and as a matter of fact the latest mono reissue of Revolver is in my opinion even better than the 2014 one.
As far as I know, EMI/Apple manufactured 50.000 copies of this box worldwide, but they made no profit from it. So a re-release will not happen. I'm glad I bought it on release in 2014. They sound great but 1960's originals sound even better. The book included in the box is fantastic with pictures of tape boxes and studio documents. Unfortunately, two mono tracks officially released in the 1960's are not included in the box; Tomorrow Never Knows (mono remix 11, only on the first few days pressings of UK mono Revolver, all others have remix 8) and US Capitol's promo single version of Penny Lane with the trumpet ending. These two combined could make a great Record Store Day single some day. But that would probably never happen.
They only made 9000 initially worldwide.
Oh they'll re-release the mono boxset on vinyl, it just won't be off the original analogue masters, there'll be digital pressings. The Analogue masters, with the unrelenting passage of time, have become pretty fragile. They'll most likely never see another pressing.
Hear LOVE ME DO,SHE LOVES YOU,single mix of HELP!,PS I LOVE YOU,ILL GET YOU in twin-track for the first time!!Extended (later) fades for Paperback Writer ,Day Tripper and more,I'm Looking Through You,and more.The film exclusive mixes for A Hard Day's Night and Tell Me Why,and Help! debuting in this set! Single track vocal mixes for And I Love Her and If I Fell in stereo!!From Me To You and Thank You Girl mirroring the mono mixes,now in stereo!!
so happy I got my box back in 2014, it's a treasure in the collection.
It is an amazing box! Luckily it's not the only way to go for these records.
I bought it too back in 2014 and 2 month later a turntable with a mono cartridge just to listen in full mono experience. Since then I don't listen to the stereo versions.
I’m happy and thankful I have that box set😊This is the way The Beatles was meant to be heard.
But the recent box sets have had a mono lp release so we are just missing the book now
I completely agree with you take on this. Releasing another mono box set even now 2 yrs later is not maximizing its value as a product in relationship to all of the other products in cycle now. Revolver 2022 the exception?
I think the 2022 Revolver box set is brilliant. I think the 2022 mono pressing in that box is even better than the 2014 one. Only thing I prefer above that is the OG, but we are really in incredible regions with all three of them.
The Capiphone is being worked on digitally first,because of the sources in volved.Film mixes,etc.
The xex-1 Tomorrow Never Knows is included!!
Found 2 copies in 2016 in a small record shop in New Hampshire- sadly I only bought 1 , for the original price of around $300 , have never opened it , bought all the albums separately to play
Very well stated. I've been collecting vinyl for close to 50 years & these boxes sat for a long time with all the rest of audiophile releases. I never thought we would see the rebirth, let alone the current vinyl rage. High end 2 channel was dieing a slow death but then came the rebirth of high end headphones which ultimately developed into the interest in 2 channel with the renewed interest in analog, thank you to the millennials! The only real future issue I see developing is the people building high end cartridges are aging out with so few going into the industry. Take Peter from Soundsmith, a truly gifted engineer, once he is gone I don't know of anybody that could fill his shoes. BTW, the 82 Jpn red wax monos are equally as spectacular. As you said, they tipped their hand when they didn't use the analog tapes for the Let It Be reissue, pretty disrespectful to the band & their fans.
Each of the individuals sealed now(for the monos)now for the 2009 sets individually,are running$100 each,on average.
Hi first time I have viewed one of your videos, but you raise some excellent points, and I agree
With most all of them. Thanks!
Thank you!
i think you're totally right.
We will see another Mono box, but in another 30 years. By then it won’t matter to most of us as far as sound is concerned because we’ll be either dead or reached an age where we can’t hear beyond 12Khz. Unfortunately Apple takes forever to release material from the vaults. This is why the much maligned bootlegs are the true treasures as they provide the fan with stuff they’ve been craving for. Apple missed out on billions of dollars in profits due to their own stupidity.
The Capiphone project will feature mixes available exclusively in the set!!!!!!
The restored fade outs for Little Child,Not A Second Time ,Baby It's You are in the set.
Perfect overview. I wound love an analog stereo set for those who don’t have it. It would sell these out today. Agree it’s a bigger audiophile audience. Hell people are paying $125 for one Hendrix, Eagles and Van Halen albums today ✌🏼
Agree! A Stereo analogue box (or even standalone editions) would be awesome! Then again; there are loads of albums which would fit perfect into the UHQR or One Step format (Velvet Underground, Queen, Led Zeppelin, David Bowie). There are a lot of classic albums that would really improve from this approach.
Hopefully, they will continue packaging the mono albums with the remix box sets as they did with Revolver. People are paying more for individual mono pressings than the price of the remix box sets and Apple knows it. That still leaves the issue of The White Album and Sgt. Pepper's. They could do a limited run of 60th-anniversary editions of those two albums, include the mono albums, and sell every one they produce.
Either late 2022 or 2023 for the Capiphone project.Masters are being recompiled currently.
Just in time for the 60th anniversary of Love Me Do!!
The Capiphone project covers the entire catalog(and more!!).In mono and stereo-all album titles in the series!!
Don't need the boxes. Would be happy with the individual albums.
Agree!
They could also release the individual albums in cheap basic card stock sleeves, and save the deluxe flipback sleeves for a box set.
The Box is not going to be re-released but those individual 2014 mono’s will definitely get a re-release.
I guess we're gonna find out the moment the new Revoler release hits the stores. Will this 'original mono mix' be an All Analogue from the Mono-Master? Like the box?
That'll be great. I have all but one of the individual ones (SGT PEPPER) and a re-release would help me out. Meanwhile, however, I did pick up a nice-sounding mono original pressing on Capitol and I have the Pepper Box Set as well as the Mono CD set. I just need that one (expletive understood) LP!
Many good points about this topic. Yes, challenging to accept, but, probably the reality of the situation.
The reality is not that tough though, there actually are better alternatives for this Mono 2014 box.
@@top5records796 I’ll keep a check on your suggestions- thank you
This guy nailed it. Revolver box shows the way forward for Apple. The mono LPs will be an incentive to buy the boxes for all the early albums. Wish Sgt Pepper had a mono LP in the box, but that seems to have been the prototype, because it also has the mishandling of Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane. Would have been great if it also had an ep release like Revolver with the Mono and Remaster.
Thank you! And I agree; the way of the Revolver box would be a good one for other albums!
Anyone want to buy a Mono box?
you have been proven correct: the 2022 mono is exclusive to the 200 euro box set! they got us!
Thanks! And although that is financially bad news I do think the 2022 mono is better than the 2014 mono!
yeah !!!! your right ... i never thought about it that way ... but yes ... your right ... single LP releases boxset are more profitable !!!!
... the thing is ... that "nerds" like me that have the Mono box still buys the LP single boxes ... lol
... so ... why Apple would release another box with all the albuns ...
yeah yeah yeah ....
and ... the Rooftop Concert ... is missing in the LET IT BE boxset too
You're right! We need the full Rooftop Concert!
Yes, I think they will continue with remix and out-takes LPs from the earlier years but after they have released all the remaining albums they may get around to re-releasing. the Mono Masters again. It could be quite a few years from now though.
I guess you're right, and if they do that we might even be a decade away from that (and I guess they would go for standalone editions then). But who knows where the vinyl-world will be in 10 years?
@@top5records796 I was able to buy The Mono Masters off Amazon last year for around $80 Australian. There must still be some new copies of it out there.
@@mikesilvester3433 liar
@@igotdarkaether4813 I’m referring to the three album mono equivalent to Past Masters not the whole box set.
@@mikesilvester3433 ah ok many thanks for explaining that.
As I’ve stated on another video of this nature, I have all but 3 of these LPs bought individually. There is another option however that gets little discussion. There was a Beatles Mono CD box set which I also have which is the best digital versions of these recordings. They are out there and turn up on Ebay etc now and then.
Interesting point, to be quite frank I hardly get around to listening to CD's. I might do a video about this some time.
The anthology albums you held up are already nearly 30 yrs old now. I wonder if they are going to be re-released..?
Good question! They are defenitely worthy of a re-release.
The original Mono Box actually lost money for Apple/Universal. Universal has put their vinyl prices through the roof in the last couple of years (2-Disc Imagine was atound $60 CDN, so was Working Class Hero…POB was around 100. Original 1-disc Beatles were around $30, and are now around $50. One can only imagine what even single album versions of mono reissues would go for now. Straight up Reissues would only devalue what the original 200g monos are going for today…
I guess you are right about Apple/Universal losing money over the box. But a devaluation of the 2014 mono editions would not be a problem for them. (Because they are not making money for what the 2014 mono’s are doing on Ebay/Discogs/Amazon). I guess devaluation of the album and not being able to get proper momentum for a (re) release is a much bigger fear for Apple/Universal.
Who cares if new issues devalue older issues. It is about the music first. Apple didn’t do well back then but the potential audience is ten times bigger today. The plates are ready to repress the mono records but they are in to newer things. I think selling these for $30-35 today they would do just fine. 🎶✌🏼
ur on the money. apple and apple its about the money
I've been a Beatles fan for my whole life. My earliest memories involve the impact of sensational releases such as *She Loves You" and *I Want To Hold Your Hand*. More than anything else, I attribute my lifelong career as a professional musician to my fascination and obsession with The Beatles.
Nevertheless, I've now reached a stage where I'm simply disgusted by their greed
Very interesting! And in what sense do you meen greed?
From 2017, they are REMIXES (not only rematers)
You’re right. That is also what makes me suspicious for their future plans. A remix does take some effort and if Apple Records is convinced a remix is more interesting for the current market than a good pressing of the original mastertapes we’re out of luck.
Will the 2009 mono CDs ever be re-released, either individually or in the box set? They are pricey online. There are many counterfeits out there to avoid.
To be quite frank I really don’t know and I must admit I know too little about CD’s to speculate on that.
I always wondered why all the Box sets ever since 2009 ends with the Past Masters albums, instead of including the other after 1970 official releases by EMI/Apple such as the live album, Anthology series, Yellow Submarine 1999 Songtrack, Let It Be Naked, the Love album or even the Live at the BBC recordings and the compilations (red, blue and 1) even after having the same remastering treatment as the studio albums.
Yellow Submarine Songtrack as gorgeus as it is my only tweak would be change the tracklist sequence in order to match with the songs as how they appear in the movie.
That is an interesting question. I can only speculate about the answer but my main guess is that they focus on the albums which have the biggest market value. I don't think old compilations and Yellow Submarine are big sellers for todays market (I think the compilation market has changed with the coming of digital music).
For the live recordings; there are not a lot of good Beatles live redcordings available. I have the Hamburg show and the Hollywood Bowl show and it's mostly a lot of noice. I really think that's a pity and I hope they will one day release the Apple Rooftop all analogue.
@@top5records796 As you mentioned in your video, 2025 will be the 30th anniversary of the Anthology series wich was the biggest Beatles related project before the 2009 remasters , so probably that will mean a release of the 3 volumes together, 4K Bluray and who knows with and expanded volume 4.
The inclusion of the related releases in the 2017 DeAgostini collection made me wonder about their future in this decade box sets to come.
I have this box set, and it's still sealed. But I had to pay over $800 for it on Ebay a year after it went out of print. Good thing I bought it because now I wouldn't be able to afford a sealed one.
Must look great sitting there. Nice, white and square. Don't see the point though if you don't play the records.
have they ever thought about releasing the mono albums individually, separately? so it would be more affordable to get them one by one. why is that never a thing?
They actually have in 2014. I think our best bet, for getting the AA mono versions, might be a individual release annually on the records birthday. But since Apple Records seem to me mostly occupied with getting remixes out annually I’m not counting on it. But there are awesome alternatives to the 2014 mono versions!
Its a no brainer. They'll re-issue them.
Almost hit yourself in the noggin with the Let it be box. Watch out, dude.😂
Is it me John Wayne?
You're right about that box. If this us mono crap came out like it has. This is absolute garbage. If they think that the nostalgia will be there for this in 8 years it won't! With that format of a 2 LP interview cut and paste. You have a better time using it as your floor mat for when you get out of the shower.
I also prefer let it be naked a lot better than the normal let it be album because it’s without all the phil spector orchestration
Well now you see and know this is true but not true. The box sets have started to include mono reissues but that may stop so you never know. I might think APPLE won’t release anything ever again…
That model box didn't sell well when it was released. That's part of the reason why as I dictate this it's probably worth more like $3,000 for a pristine vinyl edition. Apple has their head up their ass. And it won't be dislodged from there anytime soon.
There are rumours that they will announce the release of the Beatles Mono box again soon
The only rumours I really trust are from Fleetwood Mac ;-)
It'll come, money is money. Hardcore enthusiasts already have it, newbs will not be buying individual releases at 100+ Euros per album, doesn't matter how many stupid poster, and extras you put into a box.
I dithered and missed it!
Do you think they would repress single editions of one or more of the mono records as opposed to the full box?
Well they just might. To be quite frank I think the next year will be very important in finding out what their tactics will be for the coming years with The Beatles-catalogue. With the 50th anniversary editions you might expect they’d jump the bandwagon of going all-analogue, but they didn’t do that. We also have reason to believe that someone is being very protective with regards to the original masters leaving the faults; for example, most of the MFSL-editions weren’t even from the mastertapes.
But doing single represses of (some) of these 2014 mono versions might be an obvious way to go. Does leave the question; why didn’t we get them when when The White Album and Sgt. Peppers had their anniversary?
So Apple Records doesn’t go for the obvious route (almost everybody expected a repress of Let it Be…Naked last year. this one goes for about 200,- online). But they didn’t include it. Let’s hope for the best but I’m afraid they have pointed their arrows at new mixes, remasters and demos.
But I truly hope I’m wrong.
They should have just kept the individual albums in print. The Beach Boys Pet Sounds is still available in stereo and mono, what's the problem with the Beatles?
I get where you’re coming from but on the other hand, those single album box sets are all about the extras so the market for those are your big Beatles fans, the single album anniversary editions are for those that don’t care about audiophile quality and just want to own the albums and build their Beatles collection. But right now there is a big market for audiophile records that keeps growing. If Apple and the estates of each Beatle aren’t recognizing this growing market than they aren’t paying attention. They could have their cake and eat it too. Right now there are enough people in each level of the market to keep the anniversary edition reissues going and put out an all analog box set. If they did another release of the Mono box I bet they could sell 10,000 in a few weeks if not a week. I bet you the new price for the box set would be double what they originally sold it for which would not appeal to most of your new collectors and all the collectors that don’t care about audiophile vinyl. I think a good price point would be between $700-$900 dollars. And I would buy it!
I hope you’re right but the release of a new box would de-valuate the uniqueness of a new anniversary release for all those records included.
Just paid 1200 pounds for a mono box,, like most,,wish I had got one in 2014 !!!
@@craigphillips884 If they did a repress I don’t think you’re far off of the price it would retail for now that vinyl costs have risen.
@@AsTheTableTurns Yes it wouldn't be far off..I would like to think a all analogue stereo box will be pressed,, with quality flip back laminated sleeves..
It's the brand, not the band.
How about EVERYTHING in true mono,AND true stereo!!!
Great idea! All analogue.
@@top5records796 Well,it would have to start as CD,as a few tracks were only able to be sourced from that configuration.If those sources could be analog-warmed,then it's a possibility for vinyl.
Review in German Language: th-cam.com/video/MilEVuTBYig/w-d-xo.html
The "remasters" are reMIXES". "Remaster" and "reMIX" are not the same thing.
That’s right. Though in some cases (for example the Abbey Road) I believe they did not really go for a new mix… But I would have to do an A to Z comparison to say that (I believe Michael Fremor said something in that sense).
But the entire idea of new mixes like with Sgt. Peppers and The White Album to me is absurd.
@@top5records796 The Abbey Road by Giles Martin is a remix. But it is much less obvious because was recorded on 8 tracks and by then the experience of mixing stereo had matured.
The early LPs were not stereo. They were pre-mixed MONO -- the standard was to record all music on one track, all vocals on the other track, then mix those to MONO. That's why the "hole in the middle" of the NOT-stereo -- which was eliminated by, as all along intended, mixing to MONO.
George Martin explains all that in his book "All You Need is Ears".
@@top5records796 I have mixed feelings about it. I grew up with "The Beatles" and the original (US) releases. On the other hand, I can see reason to improve mixes, because as excellent as the recordings were in the first instances, there is lightyear's better technology today.
And I found it interesting that Jackson who like to hear what can be done with the Hamburg tapes with the software developed for use on the "Get Back" video series: that made it possible to separate the different voices and instruments, and adjust their levels individually, so conversations buried under loud music could be captured.
It they could do the equivalent with the one-track mono Hamburg tapes it might be worth doing.
@@jnagarya519 you are quite right that it is interesting and to keep an open mind about what Peter Jackson can do with this new technique. Although I must admit that his definition of what feels authentic and makes archive comes to life differs from mine.
There are good (and sometimes even better) alternatives for this box, this is video part 1: th-cam.com/video/eDA8Zj9vGwQ/w-d-xo.html
Digital recordings are translated to analog during playback. So the distinction between the two is meaningless.
In the case of digital recording there is indeed a different situation going on. When the source is analoge though the situation is far from meaningless. As a matter of fact even with a digital recording, if it is translates to analog tape, the texture of analog tape does something to the sound.
@@top5records796 I grew up with vinyl. Have tons of it.
What you're hearing is DISTORTION, typically mistaken for "warmth".
@@jnagarya519 I know what you’re saying, but I’m not getting off on distortion. It is often confused but I can hear the difference (I have a bachelor degree sound design so I actually should know the difference).
@@top5records796 There is distortion introduced by the tape. That is removed by the digital. There is distortion introduced by the stylus-in-groove. There is distortion introduced by tubes. It is mistaken as "warmth".
The analog is transformed to digital anyway.
@@jnagarya519 in that case we have a different definition of what distortion is.
This dispute is largely a result of an artificially created hype. If you listen to Day Tripper/We Can Work It Out in stereo US you won't want the mono versions anymore. Many Beatles albums sound better in stereo. And if you don't like wide panning, there's an equalizer for that.
Are you basing this solely on the Day Tripper/We Can Work It Out single? I can not understand why you would call this a created hype. There are loads of accounts on which people have stated the differences between the differences in songs in mono and stereo, going as far as different edits and takes being used (let alone the difference in mixing). It is simply a fact that until Magical Mystery Tour the stereo mix would not get the same amount of attention as the mono mix. In a lot of times it would not even get a fifth of the time the mono mix would get. Most often being made in the absence of the artists. I can name loads of albums on which the attitude and meaning of a record is different on the stereo or the mono version. No hype, anyone can hear it.
@@top5records796 This is just one example, as is obvious from my wording. When someone wants to illustrate a thought and not go into an endless enumeration of everything that prompted him to this thought, he gives one example, which is the most revealing. I could give many other examples, but I won't. Your head is filled with formal information about the role of mono mixes, you mindlessly repeat other people's press releases. And I rely on my own ears and can independently tell where the mix is good or bad, and why. I don't care who was present during the mixing, how much time they spent on it and how many parrots in their blogs are now praising it for money. And what's wrong with the Day Tripper/We Can Work It Out US single? Is there something you don't like about it?
@@debessar95 there is no reason for you to assume that I copy my opinion from other peoples opinions or press releases. I have done three full videos on Beatles pressings alone in which I myself did comparisons. As a matter of fact all of my comparison videos show what I'm comparing and that I'm using my own ears.
@@top5records796 It's obvious to me that you don't have an opinion, because only a person who is biased or who doesn't understand music can make an unambiguous choice only in favor of mono or stereo. I asked you what is wrong with the stereo mix of the 1965 US single. Just that it's not mono?
@@debessar95 again; I do not understand where you base these assumptions on. I am not making an unambigious choice for stereo or mono. In general I prefer the Beatles mono versions and there are good reasons for that; yet I have made 3 full videos about Beatles pressings in which I compare versions and I even recommend some stereo versions. I responded to your very balt statement that the mono was a ‘created hype’ and I gave you reasons for why it is not a created hype. In general I prefer mono but I also collect the stereo versions because obviously these mixes and pressings differ and can surprise one.
I do not own the single you are talking about. I asked you a question about it because I thought it would be very balt to disregard the entire mono/stereo discussion and differences based on one single.
You commented on the entire mono-catalogue as being one big hype. I give historical examples why there are clear differences (and in general the mono mixes have gotten more attention) and I have several videos in which I go into the differences between pressings and I am holding the actual pressings. Your statements about my so-called biases and ‘not having an opinion’ are based on nothing but your own biases. The proof is out there in my videos. You make a argument with no fundament, make it immediately personal and very unfriendly.
I’m only interested in their work between “Rubber Soul” and “White Album”. I don’t care about the earlier stuff. I own the Mono CD box and their earlier work, sounds muffled and muddy already on the CDs. Not likely they’d get better on vinyl. Of the range I stated above, I’m only missing “Rubber Soul”, but I’ll get it eventually. Probably on their next box release if they do the same as with “Revolver “.
I have spent a fortune on Beatles music and memorabilia. I have the 1968 mono version and the 2018 stereo version of the White Album. For some reason I never bought the 2014 mono box set and I'm glad I didn't. I recently bought a new 2014 mono version of the White Album and what a disappointment.
The 2014 mono box set is just a steaming pile of dung. It's a nice DISPLAY box but the vinyl isn't the best.
Don't buy it. Buy the original UK pressings, those are the ones to buy.
Bottom line: let's feed the scalpers
That is actually not my bottomline. As a matter of fact I'm working on a video as an alternative; there are better and cheaper options to find good (sometimes even better pressings).
Here is part 1, bottomline; do not feed the scalpers there are better options; th-cam.com/video/eDA8Zj9vGwQ/w-d-xo.html
@@top5records796 Can't thank you enough for taking the time to do this, my friend.
@@leonardolottimarques6813 thanks! You’re welcome!
Your nuts, calm down.....🍁
So….this costs 2000€ but older pressings sound better but are only „pretty good“……?
I only believe BLIND TESTS in my presence.
NOBODY talks about how terribly high the bass is at the beginning von Drive my car….
So, people have ears to recognize the 1963, 1978, 1982 and 2014 mono pressings…..but cant hear a quarter tone difference…..
Bla bla bla bla.
I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.
@@top5records796 that its more about the item than the sound.