I've always felt this is the obvious solution to the fermi paradox. We can't rely on aliens having science fiction tech. If it's already hard enough to detect alien life for us why do we ever assume it's easier for aliens.
We may very well be that civilization we want others to be: that advanced, intuitive species that has the potential to link others together with ingenious tech.. just we're in the early stages.
@@jacobp.2024 Mainly time. But that's assuming civilisations are relatively common. If it's case of one or a handful per galaxy over it's entire history then there's a decent chance of that scenario being reality. What falls apart is the idea that there's thousands or hundreds of thousands of civilisations every one acts in an inexplicable way that just so happens to make them not do the very things that humans seem to naturally do. Which given the fact that basically everything in the universe is the same - it seems unlikely life doesn't also follow natural laws that would mean most life in somewhat similar and recognisable. Often it just comes across as wishful thinking to justify aliens. Bottom line is we have no evidence - but that's not evidence of absence but its also not evidence of their presence either.
The best answer for the Fermi paradox is that Humans are a anomaly. There have been billions of life forms on earth and yet only 1 lifeform was able to create technology. The only aliens that exist on other Earths are animals that rely on pure instincts.
Based on how vast the universe is, there should be a lot of different scenarios for civilizations similar to ours makes the odds higher that some are more advanced than us. Even if it’s not majority it’s still alot
There’s been civilizations that make our intelligence look like cockroach. With the bagillions of planets in the galaxy over 14 billion years it had to have happened
If we saw signs of exoplanet civilisations, that might not mean that life is everywhere. We could be in a galactic habitable zone or even a universal habitable zone.
You are absolutely correct, and I would agree with you that at least a third one would need to be found somewhere else. As the saying goes: once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, and three times is a pattern. Frankly, it bugs me that the scientific consensus seems to be that just finding ONE other civilization somewhere out there would solve the Fermi paradox. Respectfully, I would have to say no, not necessarily.
@@maksimatic "...once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is enemy action" Ian Flemming Here's a few more that you might like. "There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." "The problem in America isn't so much what people don't know; the problem is what people think they know that just ain't so." "The taxpayers are sending congressmen on expensive trips abroad. It might be worth it except they keep coming back" (Will Rodgers)
Agree. The copernican principle is an assumption, not a proven fact. For all we know both the earth, the solar system, AND it’s place in this galaxy and universe is all but impossibly rare and very very special in the universe. And while we’ve hardly looked enough nor are we yet able to look enough to pass any such verdict either way, for the looking we are able to do and have done, all signs seem to suggest that the earth is unique. I’m ready to find out that this isn’t the case…but so far this is the least assumptive conclusion based on existing evidence. It drives me nuts that suggesting that the earth is in fact special or occupies some special place in the universe is somehow unscientific but “the copernican principle” is somehow taken as scientific gospel and not the assumption (and nothing more) that it is. Copernicus demonstrating that the earth revolves around the sun and isn’t the centre of the universe is hardly the same thing as Copernicus asserting that this planet is mundane, common, or unremarkable.
This channel & Event Horizon deserves 100X the views it gets, not to diminish the channel of course I mean it as a compliment. This is another great video by an excellent content creator!
Given the current wars going on in the world it's difficult not to assume that most advanced civilizations (if indeed similar to ourselves) end up destroying themselves before they quite reach the true space age, quite scary.
They probably never needed a "god" so thats atleast 90% of the wars they will not have. Now if they are also not greedy i think they might even be a peacefull kind of civilization.
@@johngeier8692 right. Although i would disagree....because we only have "US" as a litmus test, you know? How would aliens even think? Our biggest intelligence factor beaides being self aware, is to wonder and explore. What if, even being sentient....the aliens dont want to explore or move on, because they have everything they need. Or they dont go far say...."up to" the ice shelf because everyone going there dies. Think, tribes in the amazon and like deep south central africa. They havent had to or a yearning to move and develop because they have everything they need. I think there is a book on that, actually.
JMG, I really appreciate all the time & effort you put into researching interesting concepts and/or staying abreast of current space happenings to produce a very solid program. I hope you enjoy the holidays and I look forward to whatever you have planned for 2025. Thanks!
If you had the chance to go on an alien spaceship (close encounters style) but there is a 95% chance you wouldn’t ever return to earth, would you do it?
I've asked myself this question many times. Assuming they would treat me well and show me all the amazing things in the Universe, I think it would be hard not to go.
Our signals might as well be someone else's WOW Signal... the odds of getting detected are extremely low, let alone of getting detected twice. Still, always pretty fun to imagine how it could go. The wow signal itself could've been some stray alien radar signal. xD
The problem with the Drake Equation is he input numbers far too high to reflect the data. His greatest error was predicting a one in ten chance that a planet like ours would evolve a technologically intelligent species like ours. If (as currently estimated) 30 billion species have existed on Earth there's a one in 30 billion chance of it happening in another solar system with the exact same composition and history as ours. Plenty of life but barely a handful of tech civilizations would exist in our galaxy. We're half a chromosome away from shit throwing monkeys. Yes we landed on the Moon but we remain an instinctually tribal species--as all our wars continue to painfully prove.
To me the Drake Equation will never really be useful as a formula because of 1 important variable in it. How common is intelligent life like us? 1 in every other solar system, 1 in every 10, 100, one in every galaxy, universe. Without knowing what that number is the equation will not tell us much, and if we do figure out what that number is then we would no longer need the equation.
That seems silly to me. First of all, our ancestors likely killed off other potential 'technologically intelligent species' such as the neanderthals. The question is whether a highly intelligent species is a niche that will always be filled by evolution given enough time. The fact that we know of only one planet with life, and it has a technologically advanced civilization - us - suggests the odds are not 30 billion to one. Each of the 30 billion species that have existed are not random rolls of the dice. They are the products of evolution.
Space/time of the universe is so immense that any technologically advanced civilizations existing "from time to time" may NEVER EVER contact one another, not to mention us.
This is my belief. Duality is a ubiquitous principle in everything. Balance. Up down. Left Right. Nothing Something. Forward Backward. Positive Negative. Life Death. Seeing the infinite possibility in the skies and never being able to traverse or explore it is the ultimate baked-in rule of duality in the universe. Deeply resonant to us all, and deeply inaccessible. In order for any complexity to exist, duality of balance is needed. Star equilibrium. Gravitational orbits. Opposing magnetic poles. So on. In order for complexity to build in intelligent life, only the highest degree of complexity can traverse the stars. So we all wonder about this unsolvable problem for eons. This ever pushes forward the clock of technological evolution. Its possible that this evolution could take trillions of years to emerge.
Frederic Henning, you're almost certainly correct. I seem to recall an analogy Carl Sagan did about how technologically advanced civilizations are like randomly blinking lights on a Christmas tree, in that even if they do briefly shine, they might not be near enough to another and shining at the same time to ever coincide. As you say, space and time are huge.
On a related note, how would we now find signatures of a pre-industrial society of non-humans (even non-primates) on Earth? It seems like a hunter-gatherer society of 40 million years ago that lasted for 250,000 years would be hard for us to detect *on the same planet*. Fun stuff to think about.
In a similar vain: Isn't humanity looking back in time when peering through telescopes? If so, are older civilizations likely to be more advanced than the current? If the stars are condensed hot gases, how likely that the temperatures in the past would be suitable for any life alien or alike to develop and have advanced technologies? If and when telescopes are able to detect life in galaxies millions of light years away as they would be now, perhaps there might be some sense in SETI or any such project detecting anything worthwhile.
@@balasubr2252 good point, who's to say the universe isn't teeming with life we're just not seeing the present, and nothing has technology to move anything faster than light, which would mean no one has detected us yet and we haven't detected them
It’s fascinating to me that we’ve only been around 200,000 years (a cosmic blink of an eye) and we’ve advanced so far as a species in that relatively short time
I suspect that the advancement you speak of only relates to about the 20% of humanity with non-superstitious reasoning and non-familial empathy. (This regardless of race etc.) The other 80% seem locked in the instinctive animal behaviour of status-seeking pecking-order behaviour, and conflict based on tribal xenophobia, material greed, psychopathia, narcissism, jealousy and resentment. (Regardless of how superficially powerful and wealthy they get.) The question is: For how long can the 20% continue to keep us from succumbing to a great filter?
@lawrieyoutube4375 this is the dumbest and most pretentious comment I ever saw. Many scientists who made great advancements were religious. And wtf is non familial empathy? Most people eat animals without a second though. Real empathy is exceedingly rare.
Anyway you slice it, if we're NOT in contact with other civilizations, it is incumbent to colonize space ASAP to preserve, diversify, and spread out our somewhat intelligent species.
For centuries, humans have gazed up at the stars wondering if they were alone in the vast cosmos. Finally that question was definitively answered. It was a bummer.
Here's an interesting conundrum: What if aliens find us, want to meet us, but physically cannot because of biological incompatibility, even at a distance? i.e. their bodies may not agree with something on earth, or our mere human bodies are poisonous/infectious to those aliens? Sad, but an interesting contact scenario nonetheless.
Every species in the universe that wants to meet another species from another planet will have that problem. Bodies are accustomed to planets, and no two planets are exactly the same.
@@xMahrio Agreed, we look at planets with similar conditions to Earth, but it's unlikely these are the only conditions that can support life. And any civilization would evolve to survive those conditions. Even if we met another race that survived the same conditions as us, there would also be concerns for extraterritorial infections and diseases.
Omg perfect timing. I have literally watched all of your videos couple of times each. I can almost recite everything you said at this point. A new video that is 18 min long, it must be my birthday haha. Thank you very much for making these videos. They help me sleep as well as teach me new info about space.
Any spacefaring civilization will likely have limits of how much resources they justifiably allocate to SETI. If our civilization goes on for 100,000 years without any detections it becomes harder to justify building planetary sized telescopes.
In the renowned Russian sci-fi authors Strugatski brothers' novel "Inhabited island" the main hero (a normal guy from somewhat utopian Earth of the 22nd century) crash lands on a world where the idea of existence of other planets is deemed unscientific and even heretical, beсause due to unique atmospheric conditions of their planet, people who live there cannot see the stars, even their own sun. Just something that came to my mind. I'm not a scientist but to me it seems like the "alien" question is kind of pointless (although intriguing), since there are so many unknown factors. It's a bit like the "do we live in a simulation?" question. Either we do, or we don't, it's basically a 50/50 chance, and currently there's no way for us to know.
They're flying all over the place the Navy is picking them up and they've been doing this for more than 70 years but now with our Advanced radar so we can track them, with the Spy one and now spy 6 radar the military can see them in real-time 24/7 until they decide the blank off oh, they're just fly and this is not solitary observations they are watching them on a daily basis and NORAD has been watching them for many years but only was able to track them for short. Of time now we could check them in real-time when they turn off their cloaking device, they have a visual cloaking device and one that can not be detected by radar when they don't want to be
If they have the technology to get to us, they have the technology to destroy us, but why would they? No resource can not be found anywhere else in the universe, the only thing that would be rare is human life.
Wow... just imagine aliens finally receiving a "WOW, type signal" that was transmitted from the Arecibo Observatory. Aliens screaming out, eureka a signal... and it came from somewhere in the Milky Way? While turning all alien receivers to somewhere towards Earth.... just as, Arecibo Observatory does a face-plant into the ground. 🤦♂
I heard something once and it makes a little sense. Our Sun is probably a 3rd generation star and we have naturally occurring elements up to 92 that has allowed us the technology we have. If there was intelligence around a second gen star, they probably don't have a lot of the technology we take for granted and intelligence around a 4th gen star may have stable versions of what we can only synthesize and play with for a few moments. Access to these heavier elements may be one of the things that separates us from the technology we need. It may also be what saves us from an advanced civilization mining such materials. While we may not be a ghetto system, we are definitely blue collar.
How would a 4th generation star make extremely unstable elements suddenly stable? I would think they would still have insanely low half lifes no matter the conditions.
All the heavy isotopes would have the same half lives. A greater enrichment of uranium and thorium on a planet would increase geological activity. Too much geological activity would actually be detrimental for advanced life.
"We'll just ignore the ancient civilizations that had drawn out astronomical depictions of stars and planets we only discovered and confirmed in the last few decades."
Completely agreed. The premise of this video and related "skeptics" is baseless and contradicted by the overwhelming and steadily growing evidence that can not easily be explained away. Or worse, directly points the finger at a timeline or technology that can only be explained with an alien explanation. Whether it be crypto-archaeological finds, pictorial or religious references, or direct video footage of UFOs or UAPs circling the moon, buzzing aircraft carriers or nuclear installations, there is sufficient weight of evidence that points to at least one alien non-human presence that has been interacting with, and/or discretely observing mankind for centuries, if not millennium. When I was a child, the biggest argument against "aliens" was the theoretical inability to travel faster than light. Now that wormholes have been theorized, and UAPs have been filmed on video moving with "anti-gravity", denying the weight of evidence which has now accumulated past the point of disbelief, is akin to ignoring the evidence that MH370 was piloted to its endpoint and landed by means of controlled descent and ditching at sea. We should all be students of science, and the scientific method. Notably, the presence of even ONE piece of evidence that contradicts or can not be explained by the accepted or "best explanatory theory", renders said theory inadequate and lacking. Full-stop, period.
Could be wrong but isn't our system inside what's called ' The Local Bubble' which is a type of nebula? Would that make viewing Earth even more difficult?🤔
I agree and yes I believe it is much more feasible to explore Mars...it's next to impossible to get a probe to survive the environment on the surface of Venus for longer than a few minutes max. At least with our current technological abilities, but maybe in the future we'll develop something that could last much longer.
@@johnpederson5873 not only that, but how do we test out our Mars habitats? On a planet 9 months away and only reachable in certain launch windows? What happens if it breaks down to the point it can't sustain life? Or on a nearby dusty, hostile low-gravity world only 3 days away and reachable at virtually any time?
@@EricJh21690 NASA recently had a competition to design a probe that could survive on Venus. Some of the entries were quite ingenious, but they were all glorified Erector Set analog, because digital circuitry fries under Venusian conditions.
I get such an endorphin rush whenever I see this guy comment. Truly the most pristine legacy of any youtuber: made an all time classic and some beloved deep cuts, didn't overstay his welcome, and has insightful/funny comments on high quality content. He's like the anti-AxxL.
Im not sure if you mentioned this or not, i was only half listening, but theres an assumption i see numerous people make when discussing the fermi paradox. Interstellar travel may simply be impossible.
@@ianp3112 It would take roughly 2 months and 5 days for the *crew* of a spaceship traveling 99.9999% of light-speed to reach Alpha Centauri (which is 4.32 light-years away.)
Anyone with the technology and desire to get to us will have known about us for some time. A curious and exploratory species will build huge telescopes, not just in their own systems, but in other systems, too, as they expand outwards. They may assemble robot crews to send on mind numbingly long missions to other stars, in order to build such telescopes, and beam back the information gleaned. It makes sense to get an idea of whose out there, and where. Such telescopes might be spotted, and possibly investigated, or attacked, giving the home world warning before the home world, itself, is attacked, or even detected.
He talks about our early radio broadcasts being close to 100 years ago. But, most of those broadcasts were AM. AM signals, broadcast on those lower frequencies do not penatrate through Earth's atmosphere very well. Not until broadcasts were done at higher frequencies would signals more easily penetrate into outer space.
It's the power and inefficiency of the signals. In the 1920's, radio stations such as WLW were completely unregulated, broadcasting at ten times the wattage that's legal for A.M. today. It was also done very inefficiently, meaning that harmonics were insane. So it's marginally possible based on the literature that detectable leakage was occurring, but this is no longer the case as A.M. is much more efficient and far weaker today.
80 percent of Humans couldn’t handle it, not thinking they are special or some religious god did not create Humans. The universe created humans and humans created god through lack of knowledge and naiveness. I would actually love to be part of an alien civilisation and actually get along and work together for the better of both species and not steal from them or fear and start a war just because humans are sort sighted
Hey John there is a line astronomers like to use: "when we look out into the universe we don't see signs of intelligent life out there" (paraphrasing). My question is this, and I'd love for a video on it but only if you think it's worthy, in a universe where Kardashev scale 1,2,3 civs and dyson sphere/swarms aren't real but intelligence is prevalent, I genuinely wonder what should we be able to see when we look out there with our current level of tech, right now?
I donno. I feel like having a super rich atmosphere for BILLIONS of years is enough time for something to see us cross in front of our sun at least once. No one can wrap their head around a billion and if you think you can, you're kidding yourself
I believe the answer to the Fermi paradox is that given in the book The Law of One (whether or not it is legitimate, as the theory is sound enough). That is that there is a cosmic law of free will that higher species are aware of, where they cannot interfere or shock our cultural beliefs unless we as a species are willing to accept such things. Otherwise it would be altering our choice and progression as humans as we are choosing to do so, but if enough humans were open to believing, then other species could reveal themselves and no longer hide. Also yes that means if there's one, several, or even many species here visiting, they are all aware of this and not interfering on a mass scale because the discovery of the law of free will is unavoidable when a species evolves long enough to reach higher understanding of metaphysics
yea well how do you quantify that?? and how do you justify the millions, perhaps billions that lose their shit or try to blow up the world because they aint ready. I dont think aliens would care whether we were "ready" as a majority or not. They would just do it, and if we survive adn thrive then great, if we dont also great. Look, the only people that couldnt accept this knowledge are religious nutters. And i say fuck em as it is. So who gives a shit. Im alright with knowing that we are the newest members of grand community. I can deal with it. But Mike Pence might freak out or something, but fuck him.
Fascinating as always, John! I wonder, have you ever heard of sci-fi books written by my son, T.A. Bruno? He has completed a trilogy you might like. Thanks again!!
The idea of Aliens not being able to see all the stars - be it due to optical barriers of any kind or due to just not having developed sensory organs for that - is a very interesting one. They'd have no idea about all those dots of light in the sky and would perhaps never wonder what these are and if there's other worlds out there...
There is just no way we are the only intelligent life in universe...but it is so wast and requires so many details go the right way and even bit of luck that it is practically impossible to find each other.
I would like to offer a Counterpoint to your original premise. I believe anything that develops to the type of level of intelligence and sophistication that we were at when we first started looking at the stars will eventually attempt to travel to them if they do not eradicate themselves. I think curiosity is necessary for that type of intelligence to develop in the first place. If I'm not mistaken, a big leap forward for the mental capacity of the human species was when we learned to start cooking our food, which broke down the nutrients to better feed our ever-growing gray matter. Curiosity would have been part of what led to that, and it will eventually lead any species that reaches that level of sophistication to the Stars, if they manage to skirt Extinction long enough.
The Star Wars Holiday Special was broadcast in 1978 - the signal is now 43 light years away and still going. That's gotta be a few hundred stars where aliens could be getting their first signal from Earth right now and it's the Star Wars Holiday Special.
Maybe we’re just in a lonely point of the universe timeline, where no other intelligent life is currently alive.The human lifespan is so short in comparison to the life of a star.
If anyone is looking for a mind blowing (Hard Sci-fi) to read, check out “The Three-Body Problem” by Cixin Liu. It won a Hugo award. It’s a solid sci-fi trilogy.
Ok, so our earlier EM radiation was too weak to be visible over not too much spacetime. What about the signatures of all of our nuclear detonations? If the Arecibo telescope was a good candidate for detection by an alien civilization, then surely the energy released by a nuclear weapon must be a strong enough energy source to be detected as well, right?
i don’t know anything about science, just think these vids are cool, but wanted to tell u that u may be onto something bc (even tho causation does not equal correlation) apparently, the largest upticks in ufo sightings almost always coincide w nuclear detonations
2 trillion galaxies that we can see. Guaranteed that there is intelligent life out there. People need to think outside the box. Just because humans need the 4 elements to sustain Life, doesn't mean that other intelligent life needs the same. Our observable universe is the size of lightbulb compared to Pluto.
Another thing to think about is the fact that intelligent life may have came about millions of years ago and has since gone extinct. Or may come into existence millions of years from now and we'll be extinct by then. It's not only a matter of finding said life, you have to be on time also.
I think there is something of a logical error in the foundation of arguing that one can take when making the point that few (or no) civilizations beyond our own would be able to see us. Given that alien species are unlikely to evolve synchronously, one existing in one galaxy may be so rare an event (relatively speaking) that for it to find another civilization within the amount of time that question has relevance, it would have to be looking for millions of years. Thus, anyone looking around would be scattered relative to those they are looking for across time and space. What strikes me about this notion is its opposite: if sophonts were so common in the universe that one emerged from a planet every 100, 1000 or few thousand light year volume in the galaxy (or at a higher rate), and stuck around long enough for to interact with other civilizations, even if not directly, the question of whether or not they'd see us is really a matter of time, and indeed, unless we are Firstborn, they should have bumped in on us via some means or manner of observation. That this hasn't happened (and assuming that intelligent ET life *can* exist) may suggest we live in a universe where intelligent ETs are widely scattered, *while* confined to ways of looking at the universe that we can relate if distant or would recognize if close up. Another note on the video: As far as I can tell, you did not mention solar gravitational lenses. Depending on their resolution, those would help tremendously in visually studying whatever target an ET wants, in the absence of physically going there or more exotic means.
It’s interesting some words we use to describe the real world are also used nearly synonymously when we describe the digital devices and virtual worlds we create. ‘Reset’ being one of them. Look for more words like these.
I've always felt this is the obvious solution to the fermi paradox. We can't rely on aliens having science fiction tech. If it's already hard enough to detect alien life for us why do we ever assume it's easier for aliens.
We may very well be that civilization we want others to be: that advanced, intuitive species that has the potential to link others together with ingenious tech.. just we're in the early stages.
@@jacobp.2024 Mainly time. But that's assuming civilisations are relatively common. If it's case of one or a handful per galaxy over it's entire history then there's a decent chance of that scenario being reality. What falls apart is the idea that there's thousands or hundreds of thousands of civilisations every one acts in an inexplicable way that just so happens to make them not do the very things that humans seem to naturally do. Which given the fact that basically everything in the universe is the same - it seems unlikely life doesn't also follow natural laws that would mean most life in somewhat similar and recognisable. Often it just comes across as wishful thinking to justify aliens. Bottom line is we have no evidence - but that's not evidence of absence but its also not evidence of their presence either.
The best answer for the Fermi paradox is that Humans are a anomaly. There have been billions of life forms on earth and yet only 1 lifeform was able to create technology. The only aliens that exist on other Earths are animals that rely on pure instincts.
Based on how vast the universe is, there should be a lot of different scenarios for civilizations similar to ours makes the odds higher that some are more advanced than us. Even if it’s not majority it’s still alot
There’s been civilizations that make our intelligence look like cockroach. With the bagillions of planets in the galaxy over 14 billion years it had to have happened
If we saw signs of exoplanet civilisations, that might not mean that life is everywhere. We could be in a galactic habitable zone or even a universal habitable zone.
You are absolutely correct, and I would agree with you that at least a third one would need to be found somewhere else.
As the saying goes: once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, and three times is a pattern.
Frankly, it bugs me that the scientific consensus seems to be that just finding ONE other civilization somewhere out there would solve the Fermi paradox. Respectfully, I would have to say no, not necessarily.
@@maksimatic "...once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is enemy action" Ian Flemming
Here's a few more that you might like.
"There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."
"The problem in America isn't so much what people don't know; the problem is what people think they know that just ain't so."
"The taxpayers are sending congressmen on expensive trips abroad. It might be worth it except they keep coming back"
(Will Rodgers)
Agree.
The copernican principle is an assumption, not a proven fact. For all we know both the earth, the solar system, AND it’s place in this galaxy and universe is all but impossibly rare and very very special in the universe. And while we’ve hardly looked enough nor are we yet able to look enough to pass any such verdict either way, for the looking we are able to do and have done, all signs seem to suggest that the earth is unique.
I’m ready to find out that this isn’t the case…but so far this is the least assumptive conclusion based on existing evidence.
It drives me nuts that suggesting that the earth is in fact special or occupies some special place in the universe is somehow unscientific but “the copernican principle” is somehow taken as scientific gospel and not the assumption (and nothing more) that it is. Copernicus demonstrating that the earth revolves around the sun and isn’t the centre of the universe is hardly the same thing as Copernicus asserting that this planet is mundane, common, or unremarkable.
In other words, Copernican principle vs the Anthropic principle..
This channel & Event Horizon deserves 100X the views it gets, not to diminish the channel of course I mean it as a compliment. This is another great video by an excellent content creator!
Given the current wars going on in the world it's difficult not to assume that most advanced civilizations (if indeed similar to ourselves) end up destroying themselves before they quite reach the true space age, quite scary.
They probably never needed a "god" so thats atleast 90% of the wars they will not have. Now if they are also not greedy i think they might even be a peacefull kind of civilization.
Great video. I hope a civilization out there is building or has built a solar gravitational lens to image Earth with a resolution of 10 km!
Indeed they have it took 30 earth years and a few billion dollars .
@@georgewbushcenterforintell147 Maybe. Maybe not. Space and time are vast.
Or simply a solar lens to burn down another galactic ulcer.
🤔...👍
Cool, aliens can see my huge member then
JMG you are an absolute TH-cam treasure and I hope you make videos pretty much forever. Constantly top tier content my man.
Agree
@@exodus1055 I second this agree
That is an amazing thought experiment. What if you were under ice, and never knew of the stars. It’s sorta like “the cave” (Socrates?)
Plato - or Jordan Peele in the modern world
I strongly suspect that intelligent life only develops on planets with land and oceans.
@@johngeier8692 right. Although i would disagree....because we only have "US" as a litmus test, you know? How would aliens even think? Our biggest intelligence factor beaides being self aware, is to wonder and explore. What if, even being sentient....the aliens dont want to explore or move on, because they have everything they need. Or they dont go far say...."up to" the ice shelf because everyone going there dies. Think, tribes in the amazon and like deep south central africa. They havent had to or a yearning to move and develop because they have everything they need. I think there is a book on that, actually.
@@johngeier8692
Intelligence is one thing, technological developed is another.
Plato's Allegory of the Cave
JMG, I really appreciate all the time & effort you put into researching interesting concepts and/or staying abreast of current space happenings to produce a very solid program. I hope you enjoy the holidays and I look forward to whatever you have planned for 2025. Thanks!
Always a gift when you upload
Woohoo! A new JMG video!
Love your videos. You put a lot of thought in to your research. I love it, also your sense of humor. Perfect !!!
Hi John, it’s been a while but thank you for the new video.
It's been two weeks! Welcome back 😁
Thanks John!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And can't wait to listen to this episode "My Interview on the Carson Johnny Show".
Thank you for posting again, I needed these back in my life!
If you had the chance to go on an alien spaceship (close encounters style) but there is a 95% chance you wouldn’t ever return to earth, would you do it?
Maybe. They got alcohol on board?
Yes!
I've asked myself this question many times. Assuming they would treat me well and show me all the amazing things in the Universe, I think it would be hard not to go.
Yup. 100%. Right now. Wish it would happen everyday. Maybe there are intelligent beings on their planet.
If I were highly likely to have the chance to visit other exoplanets, then yes. I definitely would
This topic is super interesting to think about.
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to." - Gandalf the Grey
“Aliens are never late. Nor are they early.”
- JMG
JMG is the Gandalf of YT 🧙♂️
You have no power here, Gandalf The Grey!
@@RiggidyNick nice
Who is gandwarf?
Our signals might as well be someone else's WOW Signal... the odds of getting detected are extremely low, let alone of getting detected twice. Still, always pretty fun to imagine how it could go. The wow signal itself could've been some stray alien radar signal. xD
I feel the same happiness for the new and long waited video like when I was a child and it was Christmas day.
Perfect timing thanks!
Good night!
Fantastic video, JMG! Excellent points!!!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Fantastic video! I hope you're doing well John.
I needed this tonight thank you brother!!!
The problem with the Drake Equation is he input numbers far too high to reflect the data. His greatest error was predicting a one in ten chance that a planet like ours would evolve a technologically intelligent species like ours. If (as currently estimated) 30 billion species have existed on Earth there's a one in 30 billion chance of it happening in another solar system with the exact same composition and history as ours. Plenty of life but barely a handful of tech civilizations would exist in our galaxy.
We're half a chromosome away from shit throwing monkeys. Yes we landed on the Moon but we remain an instinctually tribal species--as all our wars continue to painfully prove.
To me the Drake Equation will never really be useful as a formula because of 1 important variable in it. How common is intelligent life like us? 1 in every other solar system, 1 in every 10, 100, one in every galaxy, universe. Without knowing what that number is the equation will not tell us much, and if we do figure out what that number is then we would no longer need the equation.
That seems silly to me. First of all, our ancestors likely killed off other potential 'technologically intelligent species' such as the neanderthals. The question is whether a highly intelligent species is a niche that will always be filled by evolution given enough time. The fact that we know of only one planet with life, and it has a technologically advanced civilization - us - suggests the odds are not 30 billion to one. Each of the 30 billion species that have existed are not random rolls of the dice. They are the products of evolution.
Thank the gods JMG is back with a fresh video. I was twitching last Sunday.
That was a brilliant video, truly top shelf content.
Space/time of the universe is so immense that any technologically advanced civilizations existing "from time to time" may NEVER EVER contact one another, not to mention us.
This is my belief. Duality is a ubiquitous principle in everything. Balance. Up down. Left Right. Nothing Something. Forward Backward. Positive Negative. Life Death. Seeing the infinite possibility in the skies and never being able to traverse or explore it is the ultimate baked-in rule of duality in the universe. Deeply resonant to us all, and deeply inaccessible.
In order for any complexity to exist, duality of balance is needed. Star equilibrium. Gravitational orbits. Opposing magnetic poles. So on.
In order for complexity to build in intelligent life, only the highest degree of complexity can traverse the stars. So we all wonder about this unsolvable problem for eons. This ever pushes forward the clock of technological evolution. Its possible that this evolution could take trillions of years to emerge.
Frederic Henning, you're almost certainly correct.
I seem to recall an analogy Carl Sagan did about how technologically advanced civilizations are like randomly blinking lights on a Christmas tree, in that even if they do briefly shine, they might not be near enough to another and shining at the same time to ever coincide.
As you say, space and time are huge.
Nice assessment. Trying to explain this to most people requires a long conversation and then its still 50/50.
On a related note, how would we now find signatures of a pre-industrial society of non-humans (even non-primates) on Earth? It seems like a hunter-gatherer society of 40 million years ago that lasted for 250,000 years would be hard for us to detect *on the same planet*. Fun stuff to think about.
In a similar vain: Isn't humanity looking back in time when peering through telescopes? If so, are older civilizations likely to be more advanced than the current? If the stars are condensed hot gases, how likely that the temperatures in the past would be suitable for any life alien or alike to develop and have advanced technologies? If and when telescopes are able to detect life in galaxies millions of light years away as they would be now, perhaps there might be some sense in SETI or any such project detecting anything worthwhile.
@@balasubr2252 good point, who's to say the universe isn't teeming with life we're just not seeing the present, and nothing has technology to move anything faster than light, which would mean no one has detected us yet and we haven't detected them
It’s fascinating to me that we’ve only been around 200,000 years (a cosmic blink of an eye) and we’ve advanced so far as a species in that relatively short time
whats that gonna say when we wipe it all out in a 45 minute thermonuclear exchange with WW3, up next for us after the pandemic!
What took milllenia to build could be gone in minutes, especially today in the era of specialization and digital storage.
I suspect that the advancement you speak of only relates to about the 20% of humanity with non-superstitious reasoning and non-familial empathy. (This regardless of race etc.)
The other 80% seem locked in the instinctive animal behaviour of status-seeking pecking-order behaviour, and conflict based on tribal xenophobia, material greed, psychopathia, narcissism, jealousy and resentment. (Regardless of how superficially powerful and wealthy they get.)
The question is:
For how long can the 20% continue to keep us from succumbing to a great filter?
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@lawrieyoutube4375 this is the dumbest and most pretentious comment I ever saw. Many scientists who made great advancements were religious. And wtf is non familial empathy? Most people eat animals without a second though. Real empathy is exceedingly rare.
I’ve been waiting for you to drop a video
Anyway you slice it, if we're NOT in contact with other civilizations, it is incumbent to colonize space ASAP to preserve, diversify, and spread out our somewhat intelligent species.
we have to get thru the next couple months without global thermonuclear war first.
Unless we can replace ourselves with something better, it's not worth it.
For centuries, humans have gazed up at the stars wondering if they were alone in the vast cosmos.
Finally that question was definitively answered.
It was a bummer.
Here's an interesting conundrum: What if aliens find us, want to meet us, but physically cannot because of biological incompatibility, even at a distance? i.e. their bodies may not agree with something on earth, or our mere human bodies are poisonous/infectious to those aliens?
Sad, but an interesting contact scenario nonetheless.
Space suits, though?
@@jamielondon6436 big brain energy right here
Every species in the universe that wants to meet another species from another planet will have that problem. Bodies are accustomed to planets, and no two planets are exactly the same.
@@xMahrio Agreed, we look at planets with similar conditions to Earth, but it's unlikely these are the only conditions that can support life. And any civilization would evolve to survive those conditions. Even if we met another race that survived the same conditions as us, there would also be concerns for extraterritorial infections and diseases.
You mean war of the worlds?
Omg perfect timing. I have literally watched all of your videos couple of times each. I can almost recite everything you said at this point. A new video that is 18 min long, it must be my birthday haha. Thank you very much for making these videos. They help me sleep as well as teach me new info about space.
Great episode, great way to unwind and get ready for the week ahead...And as always thanks for all your hard work.
Any spacefaring civilization will likely have limits of how much resources they justifiably allocate to SETI. If our civilization goes on for 100,000 years without any detections it becomes harder to justify building planetary sized telescopes.
In the renowned Russian sci-fi authors Strugatski brothers' novel "Inhabited island" the main hero (a normal guy from somewhat utopian Earth of the 22nd century) crash lands on a world where the idea of existence of other planets is deemed unscientific and even heretical, beсause due to unique atmospheric conditions of their planet, people who live there cannot see the stars, even their own sun. Just something that came to my mind. I'm not a scientist but to me it seems like the "alien" question is kind of pointless (although intriguing), since there are so many unknown factors. It's a bit like the "do we live in a simulation?" question. Either we do, or we don't, it's basically a 50/50 chance, and currently there's no way for us to know.
Fascinating as always Godier!
When i was a kid i couldn't wait for humanity to discover extraterrestrial life. Now as an adult I'm terrified of it.
"Hi, my name is" Kazapkaaaaaaa!!
They're flying all over the place the Navy is picking them up and they've been doing this for more than 70 years but now with our Advanced radar so we can track them, with the Spy one and now spy 6 radar the military can see them in real-time 24/7 until they decide the blank off oh, they're just fly and this is not solitary observations they are watching them on a daily basis and NORAD has been watching them for many years but only was able to track them for short. Of time now we could check them in real-time when they turn off their cloaking device, they have a visual cloaking device and one that can not be detected by radar when they don't want to be
If they have the technology to get to us, they have the technology to destroy us, but why would they? No resource can not be found anywhere else in the universe, the only thing that would be rare is human life.
relax, it wont happen in your lifetime
I, for one, welcome our new Alien Overlords (or Overladies).
Excellent video. Very interesting, informative and worthwhile video.
Fascinating stuff. Thank you.
Wow... just imagine aliens finally receiving a "WOW, type signal" that was transmitted from the Arecibo Observatory. Aliens screaming out, eureka a signal... and it came from somewhere in the Milky Way? While turning all alien receivers to somewhere towards Earth.... just as, Arecibo Observatory does a face-plant into the ground. 🤦♂
Hopefully it's that and not the 1936 Olympics
Our Arecibo Signal would be very similar to the WOW! Signal.
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You couldn't even get that signal outside Berlin. Absolutely no chance that signal left earth.
So irresponsible to be sending signals out in to space. These anti-human scie tissue should be jailed and punished.
@@aceundead4750 the saucers show up in our sky all bearing swastikas. What do you suggest we do?
We might be far away from other civilizations, not just by distance, but also by time
What a stupid comment 😂
@@ahronthegreat not any different than a speech by a space scientist
I heard something once and it makes a little sense. Our Sun is probably a 3rd generation star and we have naturally occurring elements up to 92 that has allowed us the technology we have. If there was intelligence around a second gen star, they probably don't have a lot of the technology we take for granted and intelligence around a 4th gen star may have stable versions of what we can only synthesize and play with for a few moments. Access to these heavier elements may be one of the things that separates us from the technology we need. It may also be what saves us from an advanced civilization mining such materials. While we may not be a ghetto system, we are definitely blue collar.
How would a 4th generation star make extremely unstable elements suddenly stable? I would think they would still have insanely low half lifes no matter the conditions.
All the heavy isotopes would have the same half lives. A greater enrichment of uranium and thorium on a planet would increase geological activity. Too much geological activity would actually be detrimental for advanced life.
Awesome stuff, as always!
"We'll just ignore the ancient civilizations that had drawn out astronomical depictions of stars and planets we only discovered and confirmed in the last few decades."
Completely agreed. The premise of this video and related "skeptics" is baseless and contradicted by the overwhelming and steadily growing evidence that can not easily be explained away. Or worse, directly points the finger at a timeline or technology that can only be explained with an alien explanation. Whether it be crypto-archaeological finds, pictorial or religious references, or direct video footage of UFOs or UAPs circling the moon, buzzing aircraft carriers or nuclear installations, there is sufficient weight of evidence that points to at least one alien non-human presence that has been interacting with, and/or discretely observing mankind for centuries, if not millennium.
When I was a child, the biggest argument against "aliens" was the theoretical inability to travel faster than light. Now that wormholes have been theorized, and UAPs have been filmed on video moving with "anti-gravity", denying the weight of evidence which has now accumulated past the point of disbelief, is akin to ignoring the evidence that MH370 was piloted to its endpoint and landed by means of controlled descent and ditching at sea.
We should all be students of science, and the scientific method. Notably, the presence of even ONE piece of evidence that contradicts or can not be explained by the accepted or "best explanatory theory", renders said theory inadequate and lacking. Full-stop, period.
I'm listening to the Bobiverse books at the moment. Love how they have approached the probe idea.
Dude I friggin LOVE those books and just got giddy seeing someone reference them!
Maybe they changed the channel?
Could be wrong but isn't our system inside what's called ' The Local Bubble' which is a type of nebula?
Would that make viewing Earth even more difficult?🤔
10:05 Is it just that Mars is easier/cheaper to explore? Cause Venus seems like the more interesting of the two, at least to me.
I agree and yes I believe it is much more feasible to explore Mars...it's next to impossible to get a probe to survive the environment on the surface of Venus for longer than a few minutes max. At least with our current technological abilities, but maybe in the future we'll develop something that could last much longer.
Yes, it is *much* easier and cheaper to explore Mars.
Why do we not colonise the moon since it’s closer
@@johnpederson5873 not only that, but how do we test out our Mars habitats? On a planet 9 months away and only reachable in certain launch windows? What happens if it breaks down to the point it can't sustain life? Or on a nearby dusty, hostile low-gravity world only 3 days away and reachable at virtually any time?
@@EricJh21690 NASA recently had a competition to design a probe that could survive on Venus. Some of the entries were quite ingenious, but they were all glorified Erector Set analog, because digital circuitry fries under Venusian conditions.
Always an interesting topic🍃
JMG, the most humble plugs on youtube.
Gonna blast this banger tonight JMG! 🔥🙌
If the aliens receive a “Chocolate Rain!” signal then they’ll tell themselves “Oh, we’ve already visited!”
😂😂😂😂😂😂 man, when I was little I watched you alllllll the time. 18 now, and happy to see you watch this channel too!!!!!!
I get such an endorphin rush whenever I see this guy comment. Truly the most pristine legacy of any youtuber: made an all time classic and some beloved deep cuts, didn't overstay his welcome, and has insightful/funny comments on high quality content. He's like the anti-AxxL.
Tay Zonday, the retro TH-cam icon. Happy to see you're a man of culture as well.
Is that why its so quiet out there? "Should we land?" "Na listen, hear it? The Zonday empire has already claimed this solar system"
Welcome back!
Im not sure if you mentioned this or not, i was only half listening, but theres an assumption i see numerous people make when discussing the fermi paradox. Interstellar travel may simply be impossible.
Interstellar travel is already possible, it's the trip duration that seems impossible to overcome, at this time!
@@ianp3112 It would take roughly 2 months and 5 days for the *crew* of a spaceship traveling 99.9999% of light-speed to reach Alpha Centauri (which is 4.32 light-years away.)
Great presentation! I like the transcript feature too!
The possibility of aliens watching is the reason I sleep fully clothed.
‘Vegetative red edge?!’ You’ve done it again, JMG ✨blown me away . . .
Yes! He uploaded, been a few weeks was getting worried 😰
Anyone with the technology and desire to get to us will have known about us for some time.
A curious and exploratory species will build huge telescopes, not just in their own systems, but in other systems, too, as they expand outwards. They may assemble robot crews to send on mind numbingly long missions to other stars, in order to build such telescopes, and beam back the information gleaned.
It makes sense to get an idea of whose out there, and where. Such telescopes might be spotted, and possibly investigated, or attacked, giving the home world warning before the home world, itself, is attacked, or even detected.
I love your fermi paradox videos, i check everyday for new vids🤣
He talks about our early radio broadcasts being close to 100 years ago. But, most of those broadcasts were AM. AM signals, broadcast on those lower frequencies do not penatrate through Earth's atmosphere very well. Not until broadcasts were done at higher frequencies would signals more easily penetrate into outer space.
It's the power and inefficiency of the signals. In the 1920's, radio stations such as WLW were completely unregulated, broadcasting at ten times the wattage that's legal for A.M. today. It was also done very inefficiently, meaning that harmonics were insane. So it's marginally possible based on the literature that detectable leakage was occurring, but this is no longer the case as A.M. is much more efficient and far weaker today.
I can’t thank you enough for the timing of this video JMG!🙏
Best Astronomy content 🔭
It was your comment that was the inspiration for the quote in mine. You called it!
@@dr4d1s awesome man, yours is witty and apt! Thanks for the feedback 🙌
@@AJScraps preach 🙏
@@dr4d1s my homies from the sleep crew! 🔥💪
I wonder what it would feel like being part of an alien civilization knowing they are not alone.
80 percent of Humans couldn’t handle it, not thinking they are special or some religious god did not create Humans. The universe created humans and humans created god through lack of knowledge and naiveness. I would actually love to be part of an alien civilisation and actually get along and work together for the better of both species and not steal from them or fear and start a war just because humans are sort sighted
And not being able to do anything about it !
Hey John there is a line astronomers like to use: "when we look out into the universe we don't see signs of intelligent life out there" (paraphrasing). My question is this, and I'd love for a video on it but only if you think it's worthy, in a universe where Kardashev scale 1,2,3 civs and dyson sphere/swarms aren't real but intelligence is prevalent, I genuinely wonder what should we be able to see when we look out there with our current level of tech, right now?
I donno. I feel like having a super rich atmosphere for BILLIONS of years is enough time for something to see us cross in front of our sun at least once. No one can wrap their head around a billion and if you think you can, you're kidding yourself
Great video John! Haven’t even finished but I already know it’s a banger
I believe the answer to the Fermi paradox is that given in the book The Law of One (whether or not it is legitimate, as the theory is sound enough). That is that there is a cosmic law of free will that higher species are aware of, where they cannot interfere or shock our cultural beliefs unless we as a species are willing to accept such things. Otherwise it would be altering our choice and progression as humans as we are choosing to do so, but if enough humans were open to believing, then other species could reveal themselves and no longer hide.
Also yes that means if there's one, several, or even many species here visiting, they are all aware of this and not interfering on a mass scale because the discovery of the law of free will is unavoidable when a species evolves long enough to reach higher understanding of metaphysics
yea well how do you quantify that?? and how do you justify the millions, perhaps billions that lose their shit or try to blow up the world because they aint ready. I dont think aliens would care whether we were "ready" as a majority or not. They would just do it, and if we survive adn thrive then great, if we dont also great. Look, the only people that couldnt accept this knowledge are religious nutters. And i say fuck em as it is. So who gives a shit. Im alright with knowing that we are the newest members of grand community. I can deal with it. But Mike Pence might freak out or something, but fuck him.
that is no excuse for why they didnt colonize earth millions of years ago, they dont exist
The legend is back!!!!!
The earth is lit up at night…hard to miss!
Fantastic video as always!
Dude your videos are great
I was watching one of your old videos today so I could keep in contact with you content. It's been a time you don't post. I expect everything is ok.
Fascinating as always, John! I wonder, have you ever heard of sci-fi books written by my son, T.A. Bruno? He has completed a trilogy you might like. Thanks again!!
Star Wars may have had it right about extraterrestrial life: “A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.”
Or the opposite in time and/or space. 😃
@@ahvavee Yep! A long time from now in a galaxy near or far and we are not going to meet them.
John! Michael! GODIER!!!!
Finally! Love this ..can we get some more..?
I bet there's an alien race that falls asleep to their JMG analogue; only he sounds like Lrrr from Futurama
Ok, I absolutely love this channel and watch every single video when it comes out but PLEASE consider new backround music themes!
You just added the music, I am listening it; so pleasant, thanks.
The idea of Aliens not being able to see all the stars - be it due to optical barriers of any kind or due to just not having developed sensory organs for that - is a very interesting one. They'd have no idea about all those dots of light in the sky and would perhaps never wonder what these are and if there's other worlds out there...
There is just no way we are the only intelligent life in universe...but it is so wast and requires so many details go the right way and even bit of luck that it is practically impossible to find each other.
That's a very interesting concept, I hope it's explored further
I would like to offer a Counterpoint to your original premise. I believe anything that develops to the type of level of intelligence and sophistication that we were at when we first started looking at the stars will eventually attempt to travel to them if they do not eradicate themselves. I think curiosity is necessary for that type of intelligence to develop in the first place. If I'm not mistaken, a big leap forward for the mental capacity of the human species was when we learned to start cooking our food, which broke down the nutrients to better feed our ever-growing gray matter. Curiosity would have been part of what led to that, and it will eventually lead any species that reaches that level of sophistication to the Stars, if they manage to skirt Extinction long enough.
The Star Wars Holiday Special was broadcast in 1978 - the signal is now 43 light years away and still going. That's gotta be a few hundred stars where aliens could be getting their first signal from Earth right now and it's the Star Wars Holiday Special.
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I love everything you do around the Fermi Paradox. Thank you John
Maybe we’re just in a lonely point of the universe timeline, where no other intelligent life is currently alive.The human lifespan is so short in comparison to the life of a star.
You say this as if it were a bad thing lol.
Always a pleasure, always thought-provoking. Thank you for your good work!
Where did you get that beautiful tree photo att 11.40 please Michael?
Let's hope not. Insert clique but terrifying Cortez and Aztecs reference.
If anyone is looking for a mind blowing (Hard Sci-fi) to read, check out “The Three-Body Problem” by Cixin Liu. It won a Hugo award. It’s a solid sci-fi trilogy.
This one was a banger
Ok, so our earlier EM radiation was too weak to be visible over not too much spacetime.
What about the signatures of all of our nuclear detonations? If the Arecibo telescope was a good candidate for detection by an alien civilization, then surely the energy released by a nuclear weapon must be a strong enough energy source to be detected as well, right?
i don’t know anything about science, just think these vids are cool, but wanted to tell u that u may be onto something bc (even tho causation does not equal correlation) apparently, the largest upticks in ufo sightings almost always coincide w nuclear detonations
2 trillion galaxies that we can see. Guaranteed that there is intelligent life out there.
People need to think outside the box. Just because humans need the 4 elements to sustain Life, doesn't mean that other intelligent life needs the same.
Our observable universe is the size of lightbulb compared to Pluto.
The 4 elements wtf lmao
So many don't see that they think Earth life has to be the same on another planet when its not.
Another thing to think about is the fact that intelligent life may have came about millions of years ago and has since gone extinct. Or may come into existence millions of years from now and we'll be extinct by then. It's not only a matter of finding said life, you have to be on time also.
Very interesting and very intriguing this video is!
I think there is something of a logical error in the foundation of arguing that one can take when making the point that few (or no) civilizations beyond our own would be able to see us.
Given that alien species are unlikely to evolve synchronously, one existing in one galaxy may be so rare an event (relatively speaking) that for it to find another civilization within the amount of time that question has relevance, it would have to be looking for millions of years. Thus, anyone looking around would be scattered relative to those they are looking for across time and space. What strikes me about this notion is its opposite: if sophonts were so common in the universe that one emerged from a planet every 100, 1000 or few thousand light year volume in the galaxy (or at a higher rate), and stuck around long enough for to interact with other civilizations, even if not directly, the question of whether or not they'd see us is really a matter of time, and indeed, unless we are Firstborn, they should have bumped in on us via some means or manner of observation. That this hasn't happened (and assuming that intelligent ET life *can* exist) may suggest we live in a universe where intelligent ETs are widely scattered, *while* confined to ways of looking at the universe that we can relate if distant or would recognize if close up.
Another note on the video: As far as I can tell, you did not mention solar gravitational lenses. Depending on their resolution, those would help tremendously in visually studying whatever target an ET wants, in the absence of physically going there or more exotic means.
The weirdest thing about those voyagers is that they will most likely outlast the earth...
It’s interesting some words we use to describe the real world are also used nearly synonymously when we describe the digital devices and virtual worlds we create.
‘Reset’ being one of them.
Look for more words like these.