If Leica M mount is a must, then Minolta/Leica CL. Or if any rangefinder system is OK, probably a Leica IIIF, or Canon IV SB2. They are affordable, won't cost a kidney, but unfortunately being screw mount rangefinders, not many modern lenses are made for them.
I have a Canon Vt De Luxe and it's wonderful. I love the feel in the hand, the frame lines for 35/50/135, and the unique bottom winder. That said, I like my Voigtlander Bessa R even more. It's a LTM (L39) rangefinder with bright viewfinder, clear frame lines, max. shutter speed of 1/2000th, and a reasonably good built-in meter. Build quality lacks compared to any Leica or Canon rangefinder, but if handled with care it is a fabulous performer. I use mine mostly with various 50mm lenses like the Nokton 50/1.5 aspherical (Gen 1) and Jupiter 8.
@@milesian1 that’s awesome!! Both cool cameras! I forgot the bessa r was an LTM camera! Are those cameras plastic? I know the later bessa cameras are, but I can’t remember if the original r was plastic as well
I have both Canon P and Leica M2 - while functionally identical (nearly), the Leica is definitely superior in build quality, though not that much. The Canon is beautiful and I love using it as an alternative to the M2. Given the insane prices for Leica's these days the Canon is definitely worth getting.
$300 vs $3000 😊 95% quality vs 100% quality . 😊 Cannon P win . Although I own both canon P and many Leica ( m2, 4, 5, 6 and 7 ) the canon P still the one I love , my love child camera 😊
I have a P and have never touched a Leica in real life, but I am very impressed with the Canons build quality. Clean, simple, elegant, and hefty. Could be used as a weapon if someone tried to attack you
Why do you tempt me so Reimann? So this camera just became the focal point of my new gear acquisition mindset thanks to your channel. I'm years away from actually affording a Leica, and this video was so well put together I think it may have changed my mind altogether about wanting one. Bravo man. And what a beautiful machine the P is! Had no idea about it whatsoever until your videos.
I’m glad you liked the video man! The Canon P really is a beautifully made camera and I haven’t regretted buying it once! It’s like an extension of me at this point lmao and the LTM mount means there are soooo many lens options to experiment with! Hopefully I saved you a little money hahaha
Picked up a mint one for $250 a month ago. I love it! Going to pick up a second one painted black or a vi-L for my birthday. An absolute pleasure to shoot and travel with. Love it more than my Leica R7.
Thank you for this interesting, thoughtful review. I agree that the Canon P is really a fantastic camera -- beautiful, beautifully designed and beautifully constructed -- with a great form factor and a big bright viewfinder. As you mentioned, the Canon LTM lenses for this camera are excellent, as well as beautifully constructed. Nikon also made LTM lenses which are also spectacular, in addition to fantastic lenses from other Japanese, Russian and German manufacturers. Indeed, apparently many photographers at the time actually preferred Nikon and Canon lenses to those offered by Leica. Canon rangefinders preceding the P are very similar to the P, except with selectable framelines, such as the VL and VT, and earlier models. Leica cameras and lenses are wonderful as well, of course, so I tend to just see the rangefinder offerings from Canon and Nikon as different, with their own strengths and weaknesses. Anyone using one of these cameras can be confident that even though they are excellent values, they are really uncompromised as far as the images they can produce.
I totally agree! I feel like these cameras are very overlooked and offer very comparable experiences to Leica rangefinders with some unique features that make them slightly different but just as well made
I would add - if you want the sharpness of modern glass that M mount lenses provide, you should really consider Voigtlander lenses like the Color Skopar and the Nokton. Very sharp, very modern lens designs (35mm 2.5 Color Skopar is rumored to be the same optical design as the Summarit 35) on LTM. Matt Day did a comparison of the Color Skopar against the Leica Summarit and the results are very surprising for a $300 vs. $1500 lens.
Appreciate the info on this! Gonna keep my eyes open for one. This vid came up in my feed after binging some Canon QL17 G-III vids after scoring one at a thrift store in Estes Park. Can’t wait to shoot with it… maybe I’ll find a P one day. Looking forward to checking out your other videos.
You are the first reviewer to comment on my biggest gripe with Canon P (I have a Canon V-L and its the same) and that is the stupid lug placement. My old Leica III is no where near as nice to shoot, but it's absolutely comfortable to carry around on a strap unlike the Canon (I've owned modern digital Leica M's and they are comfy too). I love the mechanics and and handling of the Canons. I wish there was a fix for carrying them on a cross body strap. Also, the Canon P in particular is dead simple to maintain.
Glad I was able to add something to the conversation about these cameras! I wish the lugs were on the sides and not at an angle. It hasn’t bothered me in a while though because I’m usually holding the camera
it's so annoying. My theory for the canon 7 is that the lugs are designed to work with the 50mm f0.95 lens. It's huge and heavy. With my small voigtlander 35mm f2.5, it always hangs sideways and it drives me crazy. I am actually considering selling it to buy something I'll use more
I could see how it would be kind of cool to load! I think over time I would either get annoyed that I have to hold onto the loose bottom plate or I would get use to the process and not notice at all lol
@@ReimannPembroke haha yeah i never notice the bottom plate thing at all i just put it on my pocket while i load the spool which only take me a couple of seconds all the best part about it is when you are winding your film back it will never go back into the cartridge since its stuck on the other spool so instead of me having to listen for when the film gets lose or detatches i can just keep winding until it gets stuck and for someone like me who develops at home thats a big plus cuz i dont have to pull the film out of the canister anymore
i have a canon 7 and for the strap lug position i think its really to accomodate the larger lenses that was more common with it, like the canon ltm 50mm f1.4, which balances perfectly, the 50 f1.8 leans back and the 50 f1.2 leans foward
Yes, its totally true especially with most of the 85mm, 100mm and 135mm versions of Canon make. And, of course, its a wonderful video by pembroke reimann.
I've heard someone said canon p may have shutter jam issue that may cause a bad damage to the shutter curtain. (like wrinkled curtain), do you think this is a problem in this camera ?
I highly recommend it! The canon P is 90% of the Leica experience for 10% of the cost. Some other rangefinders I think are really well made and share the same experience are the canon VI-L, VI-T, and Nikon S3!
@@ReimannPembroke am sure their are images on line , but as far looking at the scene through the finder, 35 mm fills the finder screen and then the image gets Progressively smaller as you focal lengths increases . No frame lines as such, the image size just changes depending on focal length..
Thank you! I need to get my Canon P serviced soon as well. I believe Retro_Photo_York on Instagram can fix it. There are also a couple do it yourself videos on TH-cam about this that don't seem very difficult
Hey so you mentioned that you love using the jupiter 12 with the p but I recently saw a video where the guy said it has some compatibility issues coz of the protruding rear element like it messes with the shutter or somethin!?
Yes so The information out there is a bit spotty but I believe the big issue is with some of the earlier silver copies of the Jupiter 12. I think they had a small metal ring around the rear element which made it not fit without modification
Hi. Great video, really impressive camera! I am consedering to buy Canon QL 19. I think it's not famous much that like QL 17. I wonder if anyone used it or suggest it?
Hey there! I'm about to get myself a Canon VI-L (as u know the canon P being the more popular version of this one) and I'd like to know if you could suggest me all the LTM lenses brands u have in mind for this one? I'd like to get a 35mm lens and I know theres many Jupiter,Industar and lenses like that so if u know any specific ones that are particularly good I'd really appreciate it!🙏
Oh the VI-L is an awesome camera! I would recommend the Voigtlander LTM Color Skopar 35mm f/2.5 if you can spend a bit more money! That’s my dream lens for my canon P
@@ReimannPembroke I've just checked on Ebay and I see what you meant by "a bit more money" ahah, I think I'm gonna go with the more wallet-friendly ones lol The Jupiter you have is the 12? Thanks a lot for your answer! Cheers
@@ReimannPembroke okay I'll keep that in mind, you're the one that hooked me on canon rf through your passionated contents and great artistry (currently shooting on a reflex minolta xgm) Thanks for that mate, excited to see more of your contents whenever that'll be, cheers!🙏🔥
I don’t really like it when the shutter speeds are on two different dials and I like the simple 1:1 viewfinder with all the framelines that the canon p has
@@ReimannPembroke I calmed down and thought that older Leica M are simple cameras, no manually switchable lines, film loading on M3 and counter on m2 are inferior to Canon's. They are more advanced cameras even being 10x times cheaper 🙂
If you want a Leica, get a Leica. You will not find a rangefinder-system with better lenses available ranging from vintage, budget, affordable to absolute top-notch state of the art. The Canon is a very nice camera in its own right and one of the best choices as far as LTM-cameras go.
I think the best lens in that price range is probably the Canon 35mm f/2.8. There are a couple different versions but they are both good if you can find a clean example
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Great video! I too have the P, it's an amazing camera for reasons mentioned here. I also have the 7s but the P is really the purist canon rangefinder. Also have the Jupiter 8 and 12, and 50mm f1.4.
Well-done. "Best" alternative to Leica M? I have a few options: 1) Yashica Electro 35 GS, GT, GSN or GTN. Some people scrape together their money to buy a Leica M body, then can't afford Leica glass. Then, when they do get a Leica lens, they can't afford another. Then why bother with an interchangeable lens rangefinder? Get a nice fixed lens one like a Yashica. They're all over the place for under $100. Budget another $150 for a CLA and you're good to go for $250 with a nice fast 45 mm lens. Aperture priority AE makes it almost as fast to shoot with as a P&S, and the shutter is so smooth and quiet, it makes a Leica shutter sound agricultural, by comparison. 2) Leica IIIc or IIIf. Here, you have that heavy, precision Leica build, but without the four-figure price tag. A good body is ~$450, a Leitz Elmar 50/3.5 is another $450. Add a 35 and 90 at some point in the future, Leitz or Canon or even Soviet. I stretched and bought my IIIc body + Summitar 50/2. I really prefer 35 mm for an all-around prime, and "settled" for a Canon 35/2.8 until I can one day (or maybe not?) get a Leitz 35/3.5 Summaron. I may replace the 50/2 Summitar with a 50/3.5 Elmar, for its softer rendering. The Summitar images look like those from a modern lens, after minor post-processing. 3) Olympus OM1N (manual, mechanical) or OM2N (M or A, electronic) - The designer of these used Leica M as his inspiration. He wanted that same build and optical quality, as well as shutter smoothness, but with the lighter weight and smaller size AND the SLR advantages. Zuiko lenses are as good as Leitz and cost a lot less. The slower Zuiko lenses are VERY affordable, and optically excellent, even wide open. A 3 lens kit with 50/1.8, 28/3.5 and 135/3.5 is quite affordable. Cheap back-up bodies in the form of OMGs or OM10s are widely available and under-appreciated. It's nice to have two bodies with two different lenses and films. For the ~$1k I spent on my Leica IIIc kit, I could have had a HANDSOME OM kit that is even more versatile. It's just that it's not made by a German mountain elf.
Just walked around downtown Raleigh with my Canon P. It's been on the shelf for months, but I always quickly realize how much I love it when I shoot with it.
The successor Canon 7 models has less magnification in the viewfinder so when I wear glasses I can still see the 35mm frame lines perfectly fine. This is the main reason why I didn't get and Canon P and eventually I found a nice Canon 7sZ which is supposedly rare.
Hi, the model 7 has perhaps the better viewfinder but the body is bigger and uncomfortable to hold, on the model 7 first version my finger always touches the rim of the meter window. I prefer the rare model VI-L (lever) or VI-T (trigger wind) or the series V models. All have the finder with three different magnifications. The earlier IV models have a small and dim finder. There its better to use the brighter auxiliary viwfinders for the cold shoe and only do the metering with the rangefinder window.
What drew you to the Canon P rather than the successor model, the Canon 7 and 7s? The 7 has multiple frame lines to select from, from 35mm to 135mm, and it comes with selenium meter, which my be perfectly functional. It's only slightly larger than the Canon P, doesn't weigh any more than the Canon P, and usually costs less than the Canon P.
The Canon 7 and 7s cameras are great as well! I have been wanting to try those as well as the canon VI-L and VI-T cameras. I picked the canon P because I liked the design the best. I don’t mind carrying a separate light meter and the light meter on the 7 didn’t look as clean as the P
Currently I'm using a Zorki 4K, great Leica copy but really limited, I use only the Jupiter 8 50mm, I love the look of it and quality but been wanting to upgrade to a Canon P in the future, amazing camera.
My favorite travel camera is my pair of Canon VT Deluxe cameras with a 50 1.8 Canon LTM as well as a Voigtlander Color Skopar 21mm f4 LTM. I've owned Leicas and enjoy my Canons for most of the same reasons people enjoy their Leicas. Find a camera you love, buy a bunch of film and enjoy life.📷👍
Great video. Thanks! I have just upgraded from a Zorki 4 to a Canon L3, and was concerned that the deep Jupiter 12 lens would catch on the Canon shutter. Your video helped me make that decision. Thanks again!
Nice vid. I picked one of these up for $25 a few years ago at a thrift store. I think it was a different model than yours though. It even had the Canon LTM 50mm f1.2. I don’t use it that much anymore just due to the weight.lol. My go to film cameras now are my A-1 and AT-1. But every once in awhile I do adapt the lens to my M50 and the results are great. But watching this makes me want to take it out again.
Hi, the 1.2/50 looks impressive but the picture quality is only satisfying in dark available light situations. Most the time you have ro stop down to 5.6 or 8. I think its better to use the 1.8, 1.9 or even 1.4 versions of the 50mm Canon.
Hey! I have heard that for Soviet lenses like the Industar 61 and Jupiter 8 you need to have them shimmed in order to achieve proper infinity focus on it. Is that true? And you are also have to adjust your rangefinder.
Hey! I believe there are a couple early Russian lenses that have a different thread pitch. But I believe the Jupiter 8 and Industar 61 are standard LTM. Just make sure to do a little research on the particular lens you want before buying and you should be fine👍🏼
I have Industar 61m, Jupiter 8, Jupiter 12 and Jupiter 9 and none have problems focusing to infinity. Some lenses an be shimmed fairly easily if you have to, but you shouldn't have to adjust the rangefinder (anyway the cost of getting that done would be more then just buying a Canon lens in the first place).
I just stumbled upon your video, and I couldn't thank you enough for being so thorough with the review. That being said, I did want to ask since it's what I've found so far: The black bodies I have seen online are repainted. Would there be any diminishing value for them being repainted? How would one know if the repainted camera was originally black?
Thanks for watching! I don’t really think repainting them diminishes the value, they aren’t worth all that much anyways and there are a lot of them that have been made. In terms of telling if you have an original black painted one, there aren’t many ways that you can tell. The original ones will have a little white dot painted on the self timer lever (however, that’s easy to copy with the repaint) also I believe there is some way you can tell by how the strap logs are painted but I don’t remember. I’m sure there’s something out there about that though
Love this camera and I personally think it looks better than the M3. I need to get a 35mm for it soon. Leaning towards a a voigtlander eventually. I got the body and the canon Serenar 50mm f1.8 in a trade for a yashica mat 124 that I bought for $170 lol so I think I made out 🤙🏼
@@ReimannPembroke yes same here, gotta develop these rolls I’ve shot with it. I know I actually just recently talked to on IG about it. I’ll send you some shots once I do. Ahhhh yesssss I want that lens as well. It looks just like the 7artisans 35 f1.2 mkii for Fuji cameras. Probably why I want that too for my XT3
@@ReimannPembroke haha yes me too, it was my first time shooting portra 160 for one of the rolls so definitely interested to see how that roll turned out.
Oh, nice review of the P! I've looked into buying one some time ago because it's definitely one of the best Leica M alternatives. The cool thing is that voigtländer has a huge collection of screw mount lenses. One problem I had was the 1.0 mag of the viewfinder I can barely see the 35mm frame lines even in a 0.85 mag viewfinder. After using the M6 for a while the quick loading system is much faster even with the flappy flap and the bottom removal. 😆 Also getting 38,5 frames is a nice bonus. I would really like to try out a Canon P because I heard so many good things about it. 👍
Thanks for watching brother! Yeah the 35mm framlines a a little difficult to see in the Canon P, but not so difficult for me that its really a hindrance. I think you would enjoy using the Canon P and getting to see the other rangefinder options from back in the day!
Like your channel and your way of presenting. One thing-on my M4 and newer Leicas I don’t swing the back open-I drop my pre-tensed cartridge in while sticking the extended tongue inside the take-up spool, push the cartridge down hard then close it up. I don’t even wind till it’s closed. Never fails. Guys who flip the back up and seat the film that way are wasting their time. Cool about that 1:1 VF!!!
Your photos with this are bloody amazing. I’ve got the Leica bug (after inheriting a Leica iiif), but do I WANT to drop the cash for an m6 or m-p? Well sure, but why would I when I can achieve results just as awesome as what I’ve seen here?
Thank you so much! My thoughts exactly! I think Leica cameras are fantastic pieces of design and mechanics, but I think most people that go down the Leica rabbit hole really just want a good rangefinder and with options like this and Nikon’s S rangefinders I think it’s well worth saving some cash
I honestly have no idea haha I’m no master when it comes to adapting lenses other than to Sony E mount lol I’m sure there are adapters that will work though
Do you develop your own film? If not where do you send it? Do they scan it for you? What options are there out there for getting film developed and scanned? Thanks. In enjoyed the video, subscribed and 🔔 activated.
I do develop and scan my own film which I HIGHLY recommend you do also! It’s fun, makes you appreciate your photos even more, and saves you tons of money! As far as sending your film off to get developed and scanned there are tons of options depending on where you live but it get expensive quick
@@ReimannPembroke Thanks for your response. I used to develop my own film/ prints in B&W long ago - I had access to a lab in college. That’s no longer the case, and was curious if I should look into setting up my own station for it, or just send out to get developed.
I’ve been researching and hearing compatibility issues about the canon p and Jupiter 12 35mm. What has been your experience and does that lens harm the body?
There is a slight issue in my experience, the rear element of the lens touches the top light baffle in the camera body. This isn’t much of an issue. All I did to fix it was slightly bend that light baffle up so the lens wouldn’t run into it and it works great
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What camera(s) do you think is the best alternative to Leica M Cameras? COMMENT BELOW⬇️
If Leica M mount is a must, then Minolta/Leica CL.
Or if any rangefinder system is OK, probably a Leica IIIF, or Canon IV SB2. They are affordable, won't cost a kidney, but unfortunately being screw mount rangefinders, not many modern lenses are made for them.
@@anta40 very true! I’m going to look up the canon IV cameras!
I'm using Olympus mju ii XD, easy ak
I have a Canon Vt De Luxe and it's wonderful. I love the feel in the hand, the frame lines for 35/50/135, and the unique bottom winder.
That said, I like my Voigtlander Bessa R even more. It's a LTM (L39) rangefinder with bright viewfinder, clear frame lines, max. shutter speed of 1/2000th, and a reasonably good built-in meter. Build quality lacks compared to any Leica or Canon rangefinder, but if handled with care it is a fabulous performer. I use mine mostly with various 50mm lenses like the Nokton 50/1.5 aspherical (Gen 1) and Jupiter 8.
@@milesian1 that’s awesome!! Both cool cameras! I forgot the bessa r was an LTM camera! Are those cameras plastic? I know the later bessa cameras are, but I can’t remember if the original r was plastic as well
Great video. The Nikon F was not infamous, it was famous. Famous means "widely known," while infamous means "having a reputation of the worst kind."
That kinda spooked me too!
I have both Canon P and Leica M2 - while functionally identical (nearly), the Leica is definitely superior in build quality, though not that much. The Canon is beautiful and I love using it as an alternative to the M2. Given the insane prices for Leica's these days the Canon is definitely worth getting.
My thoughts exactly. I would say you get about 90% of the Leica experience for waaaaayyyy less money
$300 vs $3000 😊 95% quality vs 100% quality . 😊 Cannon P win . Although I own both canon P and many Leica ( m2, 4, 5, 6 and 7 ) the canon P still the one I love , my love child camera 😊
I have a P and have never touched a Leica in real life, but I am very impressed with the Canons build quality. Clean, simple, elegant, and hefty. Could be used as a weapon if someone tried to attack you
Just picked up my first Rangefinder (Canon P) thanks to you! I have no regrets. Amazing work!
Thank you so much! I hope you enjoy your Canon P! I’d love to see the photos you make with it!
Why do you tempt me so Reimann? So this camera just became the focal point of my new gear acquisition mindset thanks to your channel. I'm years away from actually affording a Leica, and this video was so well put together I think it may have changed my mind altogether about wanting one. Bravo man. And what a beautiful machine the P is! Had no idea about it whatsoever until your videos.
I’m glad you liked the video man! The Canon P really is a beautifully made camera and I haven’t regretted buying it once! It’s like an extension of me at this point lmao and the LTM mount means there are soooo many lens options to experiment with! Hopefully I saved you a little money hahaha
Awesome Video mate ! Agree totally , its the rangefinder camera to get.. planning to get one. Thanks for sharing.
I hope you get one and enjoy it!
I think its design it's more beautiful than Leica's. I prefer the angles vs the rounded corners on Leicas. Really good review man!
Thanks so much! And yeah I prefer this design to a lot of Leica cameras as well!
Picked up a mint one for $250 a month ago. I love it! Going to pick up a second one painted black or a vi-L for my birthday. An absolute pleasure to shoot and travel with. Love it more than my Leica R7.
Awesome! Glad to hear you like it so much! I’m tempted to get myself a VI-T
Hey dude! Awesome review. As I am also a big fun of Canon P, I feel great to see you✌️also, I learned new stuff from you 👏
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed the video!!
Thank you for this interesting, thoughtful review. I agree that the Canon P is really a fantastic camera -- beautiful, beautifully designed and beautifully constructed -- with a great form factor and a big bright viewfinder. As you mentioned, the Canon LTM lenses for this camera are excellent, as well as beautifully constructed. Nikon also made LTM lenses which are also spectacular, in addition to fantastic lenses from other Japanese, Russian and German manufacturers. Indeed, apparently many photographers at the time actually preferred Nikon and Canon lenses to those offered by Leica. Canon rangefinders preceding the P are very similar to the P, except with selectable framelines, such as the VL and VT, and earlier models. Leica cameras and lenses are wonderful as well, of course, so I tend to just see the rangefinder offerings from Canon and Nikon as different, with their own strengths and weaknesses. Anyone using one of these cameras can be confident that even though they are excellent values, they are really uncompromised as far as the images they can produce.
I totally agree! I feel like these cameras are very overlooked and offer very comparable experiences to Leica rangefinders with some unique features that make them slightly different but just as well made
I would add - if you want the sharpness of modern glass that M mount lenses provide, you should really consider Voigtlander lenses like the Color Skopar and the Nokton. Very sharp, very modern lens designs (35mm 2.5 Color Skopar is rumored to be the same optical design as the Summarit 35) on LTM. Matt Day did a comparison of the Color Skopar against the Leica Summarit and the results are very surprising for a $300 vs. $1500 lens.
Appreciate the info on this! Gonna keep my eyes open for one. This vid came up in my feed after binging some Canon QL17 G-III vids after scoring one at a thrift store in Estes Park. Can’t wait to shoot with it… maybe I’ll find a P one day. Looking forward to checking out your other videos.
Nice find! The QL17 is great too! The P is a great interchangeable lens camera! Thanks for watching!
@@ReimannPembroke Yeah, I’m stuck with 40mm on the QL17. Hope to find an interchangeable lens rangefinder soon!
Such a beatuful piece of gear...the shots were awesome bro, keep them coming ✊🏼
Thanks for watching! Im glad you enjoyed it! You got it!🎥📸🎞
You are the first reviewer to comment on my biggest gripe with Canon P (I have a Canon V-L and its the same) and that is the stupid lug placement.
My old Leica III is no where near as nice to shoot, but it's absolutely comfortable to carry around on a strap unlike the Canon (I've owned modern digital Leica M's and they are comfy too). I love the mechanics and and handling of the Canons. I wish there was a fix for carrying them on a cross body strap.
Also, the Canon P in particular is dead simple to maintain.
Glad I was able to add something to the conversation about these cameras! I wish the lugs were on the sides and not at an angle. It hasn’t bothered me in a while though because I’m usually holding the camera
it's so annoying. My theory for the canon 7 is that the lugs are designed to work with the 50mm f0.95 lens. It's huge and heavy. With my small voigtlander 35mm f2.5, it always hangs sideways and it drives me crazy. I am actually considering selling it to buy something I'll use more
I use the Canon Model 7. Absolutely love it. And yes, canon glass for these are amazing. I have the 35,50,85, and 135
I need to get some of the canon lenses
A stainless steal shutter curtain on a rangefinder is such a big plus actually, never thought about that before.
It really is!! I think these cameras will withstand the rest of time. Thanks for stopping by and checking out the video Karin!
the loading of a leica is actually one of my favorite parts haha feels like im loading medium format
I could see how it would be kind of cool to load! I think over time I would either get annoyed that I have to hold onto the loose bottom plate or I would get use to the process and not notice at all lol
@@ReimannPembroke haha yeah i never notice the bottom plate thing at all i just put it on my pocket while i load the spool which only take me a couple of seconds all the best part about it is when you are winding your film back it will never go back into the cartridge since its stuck on the other spool so instead of me having to listen for when the film gets lose or detatches i can just keep winding until it gets stuck and for someone like me who develops at home thats a big plus cuz i dont have to pull the film out of the canister anymore
What a complete review buddy. I have Canon 7 and looking forward for a P model.
Thank you so much! I’m glad you enjoyed it! Both of those cameras are great!
@@ReimannPembroke Yes, but rhew P is the winner in the fashion department.
@@edinburghtumuran916 true! They are very handsome cameras!
Outstanding review! Subscribed.
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it!
Canon P 😍😍😍I totally agree. This camera has a lot of advantages. Also- shutter sound from 1/1 to 1/30 sec. Sonic orgasm ;-)
i have a canon 7 and for the strap lug position i think its really to accomodate the larger lenses that was more common with it, like the canon ltm 50mm f1.4, which balances perfectly, the 50 f1.8 leans back and the 50 f1.2 leans foward
Yeah this is probably true!
Yes, its totally true especially with most of the 85mm, 100mm and 135mm versions of Canon make. And, of course, its a wonderful video by pembroke reimann.
Fantastic review, thank you barry
Hahaha my pleasure😂
I've heard someone said canon p may have shutter jam issue that may cause a bad damage to the shutter curtain. (like wrinkled curtain), do you think this is a problem in this camera ?
Most of these cameras have wrinkled curtains and it isn’t a problem
@@ReimannPembroke thx for replying. Oh so it won't affect the pictures ?
@@First-class-angling I doubt it. If your shutter is firing it should take great pictures! If it’s jammed it obviously won’t take pictures
@@ReimannPembroke i mean if there are some wrinkles, will these wrinkles affect the pictures ?
@@First-class-angling no they shouldn’t. My shutter curtain also has wrinkles and it’s fine
Again, another great video.
Thank you so much! Glad You're enjoying them!
Nice video! How did you manage to get the peak design anchors in there?
Thanks! I think I used a toothpick to poke them through the strap lugs
Thanks! I was trying to do the same but was just having a hard time.. @@ReimannPembroke
Awesome review, I HAVE to get one
I think you would be a pretty happy camper using one of these cameras!
Great video! I really I wanted it!
I'm going to buy this camera, Is plastic used for the body material?
No this camera has a brass top plate and nickel bottom plate I believe
I think the canon 7 is a better camera to use (viewfinder is better) but the selenium meter cell makes it less cool looking than the P
I actually really enjoy the 1:1 viewfinder on the P! I’ve never used a canon 7 though so I can’t really compare them
I want to pull the trigger on a M6 so bad... but I might do the P instead.
I highly recommend it! The canon P is 90% of the Leica experience for 10% of the cost. Some other rangefinders I think are really well made and share the same experience are the canon VI-L, VI-T, and Nikon S3!
@@ReimannPembroke that 10% of the price really sounds nice.
@@JohnHolloway94 I get a lot of satisfaction from the money that I saved getting one of these instead of a Leica!
Best film camera I’ve ever owned.
My thoughts exactly!
Hello quick question, where did you get the wooden hot shoe cover ? and the wooden shutter button ? Love the video, Thank you
Two places I know of, THEMOREGOODER and Artisan obscura! Just look them up on Google and you’ll find them
Got a top mint black one that had been cla'd for like 600
Wow an original black one?! That’s a dream for me!
P owner too.. a serenar 35mm f2.8 and Jupiter 12 135 and Leica variable external finder …
I didn’t know you could put an external tinder in these cameras!
@@ReimannPembroke yes just in the cold shoe .. good for anything other than the three focal length frame lines on the normal finder..
@@gui4j that’s awesome! I’d love to see what that looks like haha
@@ReimannPembroke am sure their are images on line , but as far looking at the scene through the finder, 35 mm fills the finder screen and then the image gets Progressively smaller as you focal lengths increases . No frame lines as such, the image size just changes depending on focal length..
What about focusing? Easy? Hard?
Focusing has never been a problem for me with this camera. The rangefinder patch is bright enough
Great video! I have a Canon P and 1/1000 is not working. Any idea where to send it for repair. Much appreciated!
Thank you! I need to get my Canon P serviced soon as well. I believe Retro_Photo_York on Instagram can fix it. There are also a couple do it yourself videos on TH-cam about this that don't seem very difficult
A light meter app that's precise ? How? Which one ?
I use an app called Light Mate! I made a separate video about that app if you want to check it out
Just wondering where did you get the wood shutter button and wood shoe cover? Thanks.
I got them online from THEMOREGOODER they make custom wood soft shutter buttons and hot shoe covers as well as other wooden items! Check 'em out!
Thank you.
Hey so you mentioned that you love using the jupiter 12 with the p but I recently saw a video where the guy said it has some compatibility issues coz of the protruding rear element like it messes with the shutter or somethin!?
Yes so The information out there is a bit spotty but I believe the big issue is with some of the earlier silver copies of the Jupiter 12. I think they had a small metal ring around the rear element which made it not fit without modification
@@ReimannPembroke Thats not why. Theres a tonne of info on it.
@@bottomendbliss Yeah it is a close fitment for sure on my Canon P, but luckily, I haven't noticed any damage with my copy of this lens.
Hi. Great video, really impressive camera! I am consedering to buy Canon QL 19. I think it's not famous much that like QL 17. I wonder if anyone used it or suggest it?
Interesting! I’ve never heard of the QL19
@@ReimannPembroke Well, QL is a well-made series according to my research. This series is also metioned fair alternative to Leica.
Hi, there are several versions of the QL cameras. They all have fixed lenses (45 mm as I remember), simpler finder and limited shutter capabilities.
bucky barnes sure does know a lot about cameras damn
I just spit wine out of my mouth laughing at this😂😂
Hey there!
I'm about to get myself a Canon VI-L (as u know the canon P being the more popular version of this one) and I'd like to know if you could suggest me all the LTM lenses brands u have in mind for this one? I'd like to get a 35mm lens and I know theres many Jupiter,Industar and lenses like that so if u know any specific ones that are particularly good I'd really appreciate it!🙏
Oh the VI-L is an awesome camera! I would recommend the Voigtlander LTM Color Skopar 35mm f/2.5 if you can spend a bit more money! That’s my dream lens for my canon P
@@ReimannPembroke I've just checked on Ebay and I see what you meant by "a bit more money" ahah, I think I'm gonna go with the more wallet-friendly ones lol
The Jupiter you have is the 12?
Thanks a lot for your answer! Cheers
@@yanisshammad2476 yeah I use the Jupiter 12 for my 35mm. Also maybe look at getting a Jupiter 8 for a fairly nice 50mm
@@ReimannPembroke okay I'll keep that in mind, you're the one that hooked me on canon rf through your passionated contents and great artistry (currently shooting on a reflex minolta xgm)
Thanks for that mate, excited to see more of your contents whenever that'll be, cheers!🙏🔥
@@yanisshammad2476 thanks so much!! I’m glad you enjoy what I’ve been making! There will be plenty more to come
what lens is that?
I have the Jupiter 12, Industar 26M, and Leica Elmar 90mm f/4
Why Canon p? Not VL? Not VI? I don't have any idea why compare cheaper model to Leica not top of canons line 🤯
I don’t really like it when the shutter speeds are on two different dials and I like the simple 1:1 viewfinder with all the framelines that the canon p has
@@ReimannPembroke I calmed down and thought that older Leica M are simple cameras, no manually switchable lines, film loading on M3 and counter on m2 are inferior to Canon's. They are more advanced cameras even being 10x times cheaper 🙂
If you want a Leica, get a Leica. You will not find a rangefinder-system with better lenses available ranging from vintage, budget, affordable to absolute top-notch state of the art. The Canon is a very nice camera in its own right and one of the best choices as far as LTM-cameras go.
I'm looking for a 35mm 2.8 ltm, can anyone recommend a good one up to 200€
I think the best lens in that price range is probably the Canon 35mm f/2.8. There are a couple different versions but they are both good if you can find a clean example
how about canon VI-L？
The VI-L and VI-T are great options as well! I have been looking to get my hands on a VI-T!
I personally think that VI-L is better than canon P . LOL @@ReimannPembroke
Funny into!
Glad you liked it haha
For those who didn't know;
ALL "Photography" is FILM photography!
"Digital Image Capture", IS NOT PHOTOGRAPHY!!!!!
The technology is completely different. For one, we have Photographs that date back to the 1830's and 1840's.
No Digital image can be expected to last that long! No matter what media it's stored on, Digital data begins to degrade immediately. And, in 25 to 50 years, will be gone forever! Not so For a properly stored Photograph or negative.
Do some research. You will be very surprised at what you find.
You look like Sebastian Stan from the Marvel Movies. You're the real Winter Soldier 😉🤭.
Ahaha I’ve definitely gotten that before😂
Yep Barry Gibb for sure😂
hahahah glad you agree!
There is NO 'Y' in NIKON ! If you don't believe me ask Nikon, its their company.
Sexy AF camera
One of the best looking cameras imo!
Rad video and great explanation .. love my canon P
Thanks so much for watching dude! Can’t wait to see the next videos you make with yours!
Great video! I too have the P, it's an amazing camera for reasons mentioned here. I also have the 7s but the P is really the purist canon rangefinder. Also have the Jupiter 8 and 12, and 50mm f1.4.
Thanks for watching! Yes "purist" is definitely the right word for the Canon P, though the other Canon rangefinders of the day were also very good!
Hey so the viewfinder on the canon 7s is it a 1:1 magnification across all focal lengths?
Canon P owner, I absolutely love mine, a good clean CLA'd version is just a fantastic camera to use... Great video, keep up the good work!
I’m glad you’re enjoying yours as well! Thanks for the comment!👍🏼
Well-done. "Best" alternative to Leica M? I have a few options:
1) Yashica Electro 35 GS, GT, GSN or GTN. Some people scrape together their money to buy a Leica M body, then can't afford Leica glass. Then, when they do get a Leica lens, they can't afford another. Then why bother with an interchangeable lens rangefinder? Get a nice fixed lens one like a Yashica. They're all over the place for under $100. Budget another $150 for a CLA and you're good to go for $250 with a nice fast 45 mm lens. Aperture priority AE makes it almost as fast to shoot with as a P&S, and the shutter is so smooth and quiet, it makes a Leica shutter sound agricultural, by comparison.
2) Leica IIIc or IIIf. Here, you have that heavy, precision Leica build, but without the four-figure price tag. A good body is ~$450, a Leitz Elmar 50/3.5 is another $450. Add a 35 and 90 at some point in the future, Leitz or Canon or even Soviet. I stretched and bought my IIIc body + Summitar 50/2. I really prefer 35 mm for an all-around prime, and "settled" for a Canon 35/2.8 until I can one day (or maybe not?) get a Leitz 35/3.5 Summaron. I may replace the 50/2 Summitar with a 50/3.5 Elmar, for its softer rendering. The Summitar images look like those from a modern lens, after minor post-processing.
3) Olympus OM1N (manual, mechanical) or OM2N (M or A, electronic) - The designer of these used Leica M as his inspiration. He wanted that same build and optical quality, as well as shutter smoothness, but with the lighter weight and smaller size AND the SLR advantages. Zuiko lenses are as good as Leitz and cost a lot less. The slower Zuiko lenses are VERY affordable, and optically excellent, even wide open. A 3 lens kit with 50/1.8, 28/3.5 and 135/3.5 is quite affordable. Cheap back-up bodies in the form of OMGs or OM10s are widely available and under-appreciated. It's nice to have two bodies with two different lenses and films. For the ~$1k I spent on my Leica IIIc kit, I could have had a HANDSOME OM kit that is even more versatile. It's just that it's not made by a German mountain elf.
Amazing comment with tons of detail! Thanks for watching! I hope people looking for good camera options read this
Just walked around downtown Raleigh with my Canon P. It's been on the shelf for months, but I always quickly realize how much I love it when I shoot with it.
Awesome! They’re such good cameras
@@ReimannPembroke I agree.
The successor Canon 7 models has less magnification in the viewfinder so when I wear glasses I can still see the 35mm frame lines perfectly fine. This is the main reason why I didn't get and Canon P and eventually I found a nice Canon 7sZ which is supposedly rare.
This is good to know! hopefully people who don't like the 1:1 viewfinder of the Canon P know about the Canon 7 cameras
Hi, the model 7 has perhaps the better viewfinder but the body is bigger and uncomfortable to hold, on the model 7 first version my finger always touches the rim of the meter window. I prefer the rare model VI-L (lever) or VI-T (trigger wind) or the series V models. All have the finder with three different magnifications. The earlier IV models have a small and dim finder. There its better to use the brighter auxiliary viwfinders for the cold shoe and only do the metering with the rangefinder window.
Canon Pee
What drew you to the Canon P rather than the successor model, the Canon 7 and 7s? The 7 has multiple frame lines to select from, from 35mm to 135mm, and it comes with selenium meter, which my be perfectly functional. It's only slightly larger than the Canon P, doesn't weigh any more than the Canon P, and usually costs less than the Canon P.
The Canon 7 and 7s cameras are great as well! I have been wanting to try those as well as the canon VI-L and VI-T cameras. I picked the canon P because I liked the design the best. I don’t mind carrying a separate light meter and the light meter on the 7 didn’t look as clean as the P
Currently I'm using a Zorki 4K, great Leica copy but really limited, I use only the Jupiter 8 50mm, I love the look of it and quality but been wanting to upgrade to a Canon P in the future, amazing camera.
I think you would love it if you decided to upgrade! Thanks for watching!
My favorite travel camera is my pair of Canon VT Deluxe cameras with a 50 1.8 Canon LTM as well as a Voigtlander Color Skopar 21mm f4 LTM. I've owned Leicas and enjoy my Canons for most of the same reasons people enjoy their Leicas. Find a camera you love, buy a bunch of film and enjoy life.📷👍
That’s awesome! And yes I couldn’t agree more! Find a camera you enjoy!
Great video. Thanks! I have just upgraded from a Zorki 4 to a Canon L3, and was concerned that the deep Jupiter 12 lens would catch on the Canon shutter. Your video helped me make that decision. Thanks again!
Awesome! Glad you enjoyed the video!! Thanks for watching
Nice vid. I picked one of these up for $25 a few years ago at a thrift store. I think it was a different model than yours though. It even had the Canon LTM 50mm f1.2. I don’t use it that much anymore just due to the weight.lol. My go to film cameras now are my A-1 and AT-1. But every once in awhile I do adapt the lens to my M50 and the results are great. But watching this makes me want to take it out again.
Wow you got a steal! Especially if it has the 50mm f/1.2 on it🤯 thanks for watching
Hi, the 1.2/50 looks impressive but the picture quality is only satisfying in dark available light situations. Most the time you have ro stop down to 5.6 or 8. I think its better to use the 1.8, 1.9 or even 1.4 versions of the 50mm Canon.
Hey! I have heard that for Soviet lenses like the Industar 61 and Jupiter 8 you need to have them shimmed in order to achieve proper infinity focus on it. Is that true? And you are also have to adjust your rangefinder.
Hey! I believe there are a couple early Russian lenses that have a different thread pitch. But I believe the Jupiter 8 and Industar 61 are standard LTM. Just make sure to do a little research on the particular lens you want before buying and you should be fine👍🏼
I have Industar 61m, Jupiter 8, Jupiter 12 and Jupiter 9 and none have problems focusing to infinity. Some lenses an be shimmed fairly easily if you have to, but you shouldn't have to adjust the rangefinder (anyway the cost of getting that done would be more then just buying a Canon lens in the first place).
I just stumbled upon your video, and I couldn't thank you enough for being so thorough with the review. That being said, I did want to ask since it's what I've found so far: The black bodies I have seen online are repainted. Would there be any diminishing value for them being repainted? How would one know if the repainted camera was originally black?
Thanks for watching! I don’t really think repainting them diminishes the value, they aren’t worth all that much anyways and there are a lot of them that have been made. In terms of telling if you have an original black painted one, there aren’t many ways that you can tell. The original ones will have a little white dot painted on the self timer lever (however, that’s easy to copy with the repaint) also I believe there is some way you can tell by how the strap logs are painted but I don’t remember. I’m sure there’s something out there about that though
Are you sure the sample photos you presented at the end of the vid is not from a medium format camera?
Yep I’m pretty sure!
@@ReimannPembroke Please make vid about how to upload 35mm scans that grainless crisp photos to youtube if you may
Love this camera and I personally think it looks better than the M3. I need to get a 35mm for it soon. Leaning towards a a voigtlander eventually. I got the body and the canon Serenar 50mm f1.8 in a trade for a yashica mat 124 that I bought for $170 lol so I think I made out 🤙🏼
Oh you made out well for sure! I've heard great things about that Serenar lens! My dream lens for this camera is the Voigtlander Color Skopar 35mm
@@ReimannPembroke yes same here, gotta develop these rolls I’ve shot with it. I know I actually just recently talked to on IG about it. I’ll send you some shots once I do. Ahhhh yesssss I want that lens as well. It looks just like the 7artisans 35 f1.2 mkii for Fuji cameras. Probably why I want that too for my XT3
@@Holl.Mvrk. Can't wait to see those images!
@@ReimannPembroke haha yes me too, it was my first time shooting portra 160 for one of the rolls so definitely interested to see how that roll turned out.
Careful with recommending russian lenses as viewers might get leica m39 (L39,LTM,LSM) and russian m39 confused.
Oh, nice review of the P! I've looked into buying one some time ago because it's definitely one of the best Leica M alternatives. The cool thing is that voigtländer has a huge collection of screw mount lenses. One problem I had was the 1.0 mag of the viewfinder I can barely see the 35mm frame lines even in a 0.85 mag viewfinder. After using the M6 for a while the quick loading system is much faster even with the flappy flap and the bottom removal. 😆 Also getting 38,5 frames is a nice bonus. I would really like to try out a Canon P because I heard so many good things about it. 👍
Thanks for watching brother! Yeah the 35mm framlines a a little difficult to see in the Canon P, but not so difficult for me that its really a hindrance. I think you would enjoy using the Canon P and getting to see the other rangefinder options from back in the day!
Great review I have a Canon 7 and love it 👍
Love to hear it! The canon 7 is great too! Thanks for watching!
Out of interest, why do you have those pieces of wood in the accessory shoe and on the shutter release?
@@Whywas6scared the soft shutter release helps with camera shake on slower shutter speeds and they just look cool haha
@@ReimannPembroke Thanks! Interesting about the soft shutter release.
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Nice video, we need to love the canon film cameras, amazing pieces 👏🏼👏🏼
They really are bro!! Thanks for watching!📸🎞✊🏼
“Repair person”
Like your channel and your way of presenting. One thing-on my M4 and newer Leicas I don’t swing the back open-I drop my pre-tensed cartridge in while sticking the extended tongue inside the take-up spool, push the cartridge down hard then close it up. I don’t even wind till it’s closed. Never fails.
Guys who flip the back up and seat the film that way are wasting their time.
Cool about that 1:1 VF!!!
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it!! Oh yeah that sounds like a waaayyyy faster method of loading!
Your photos with this are bloody amazing. I’ve got the Leica bug (after inheriting a Leica iiif), but do I WANT to drop the cash for an m6 or m-p? Well sure, but why would I when I can achieve results just as awesome as what I’ve seen here?
Thank you so much! My thoughts exactly! I think Leica cameras are fantastic pieces of design and mechanics, but I think most people that go down the Leica rabbit hole really just want a good rangefinder and with options like this and Nikon’s S rangefinders I think it’s well worth saving some cash
Hi man, just wondering i have a e.zuiko 100 mm lens..what adapter you recommend to fit it in the Canon P?
I honestly have no idea haha I’m no master when it comes to adapting lenses other than to Sony E mount lol I’m sure there are adapters that will work though
Nice video mate,awesome review.. canon P is my next rangefinder camera in my wishlist 😁👍🏻 #hopesoon
Thank you! I hope you're able to find one for a good deal!
cheers. great video. I had the Leica M3 and loooved it. Now I'm in the market for one of these. Thanks for the info.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video! Hope you get your hands on one!
Canon VI-L is an alternative pricier than the P but still cheaper than a Leica
I really want to try the VI and 7 series of canon rangefinders! Particularly the VI-T
Lit quality 🔥
Yooo thank you so much!!
Nice pictures. I have the Canon P as well. If you can pick up the Canon 50mm 1.4 LTM. It's a gem of a lens.
Thanks for watching! I really want to try that lens!!
@@ReimannPembroke Hope you can get your hands on the lens soon. It's a great lens that deserves to be paired with a great camera.
Do you develop your own film?
If not where do you send it?
Do they scan it for you?
What options are there out there for getting film developed and scanned?
Thanks.
In enjoyed the video, subscribed and 🔔 activated.
I do develop and scan my own film which I HIGHLY recommend you do also! It’s fun, makes you appreciate your photos even more, and saves you tons of money! As far as sending your film off to get developed and scanned there are tons of options depending on where you live but it get expensive quick
@@ReimannPembroke
Thanks for your response.
I used to develop my own film/ prints in B&W long ago - I had access to a lab in college.
That’s no longer the case, and was curious if I should look into setting up my own station for it, or just send out to get developed.
@@ark8tct of course! I say yes! Do it yourself especially if you are scanning your negatives. It’s the best way in my opinion
Fantastic video!
Thank you!!
I’ve been researching and hearing compatibility issues about the canon p and Jupiter 12 35mm. What has been your experience and does that lens harm the body?
There is a slight issue in my experience, the rear element of the lens touches the top light baffle in the camera body. This isn’t much of an issue. All I did to fix it was slightly bend that light baffle up so the lens wouldn’t run into it and it works great
@@ReimannPembroke thanks for the information excited to get this rangefinder!
The Canon 7 is cheaper and gives you a light meter & selectable frame lines.
Also a good option!