KOIGI WAMWERE spoke from his heart,the pain he pass through and can not be compared with the chain FRANKLIN BETT passed through under MOI so you can not be loved by every one,every human who was under moi system have different opinion.
Moi was a man who only loved his job the presidency power and all that which comes with it. Moi was NOT a patriot a nationalist or statesman and to call him these names is the height of hypocrisy by some Kenyans and those who benefited from his 24 yrs of misrule. Moi don't even deserve a state burial. Imagine we had a retired former president during the 2007/08 post election turmoil that nearly brought this country to its knees and it took Koffi Annan together with the former head of states of Tanzania Ghana and South Africa to broker peace when the country was burning yet Moi was just around never uttered a word and that is the Moi legacy he was part and parcel of the problem and could never have been the solution. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr said that he or she who cannot take a stand in times of crisis and live with it whatever the circumstances do NOT deserve to live. Really Moi did not deserve to have lived in the first place. I personally give Moi credit where it is due and I am giving him 60% credit for a smooth transition and handing over power peacefully to Kibaki in 2002 mainly bcoz Kibaki was a Moi loyalist having served as his VP for 12 yrs and was never a serious political opponent otherwise Moi could NOT have handed power to someone like RAO.
Late President Mzee Moi was a born big star that led Kenya to great heights of prosperity despite being denied aid by the Bretton woods institute IMF, World Bank, etc, and yet, by grace of Jehovah Elohim, he sent peace keeping Kenya Army Millitary troops to restore peace in the troubled European and African countries at their time of their greatest need. What a golden heart he had for suffering human race.
Every coin as two sides ...Koigi and all his loved ones knows what they felt and what he went through and i feel for him...Kathangu you are also soo right when did you know this person how and on wich angle...good summary mimi namjua na maziwa tu...or i was corrupted via milk...whatever,,,politics is something else...but this information is good for our next generation , All in all the Human in us dictates we just say RIP PRESIDENT MOI:
Darling there are three sides to the coin...the rough edges still count....some of this men were just selfish....and love never dwells in their heart....for example Koingi was happy when Jommo died , happy when Mou is gone or not....He surely need to let the gone rest ...what will be some of this Men legacy...We will always remember Moi with all the schools he built ...the gal child support education wise...and the maziwa ya Nyayo....the system was the problem and ofcourse the coup attempt dictated otherwise and brought the beast in him out....we all have a beast in us waiting to be provoked. May Mzee Rest in peace eternity!
No amount of praise can or will erase Moi's name from the list of the world's most cruel leaders, the likes of Idi Amin, Adolf Hitler etc. As much as we would want to paint a saint out of Moi let's remember the blood of those who perished out of his brutality and cruelty is still wailing, none of his descendants will ever know peace to the fourth generation.
Adolf hitler??? Yu are crazy...since he was the worst, he retired almost twenty years ago... but the country is struggling with those mafias who have hijacked the country....stop using moi as a scapegoat...coz he did many things that were progressive....
The truth hurts but it must be told,am sorry. To be sincere I don't know of any progressive thing that he did for Kenyans but to himself I guess there are many including grabbing land from widowed women.
Why are you not talking about post election violence and the leaders who caused them let who has no sin cast the first stone we all have a good and bad side his iron fist rule came after the coup🙄
Moi was a good man only Kiambu massives changed his personality.He was a patriot and no nungses man.He dealt with those who gave him problem but he did a good job.His love for mwananchi was seen wen he visited every part of da country
During those years it's the time that young guys their lifes was miserable, those who completed schools in the yr 1992and after there went to wast, that ageneration suffered alot ,I remember those riots in kamunkunji,where as a person attended we were teargassed and it was not easier for this u call multpartism to come across.
@@salimmachila5736 But corruption has been a part of Kenya since the days of Jomo Kenyatta! Multipartism and opening up of democratic space has only created more for people to express themselves. In other words, multipartism has helped in exposing corruption.
Let who has no sin cast the first stone Koigi you should have a forgiving heart cz Moi before he left power he asked for everyone's that he wronged forgiveness let God be the judge RIP Daniel toroitich arap Moi 🙏
You can forgive, but that does not stop us from discussing his weakness. You may not know, but in the eighties a political science student could not keep any manuscript on Karl Marx, Lenin, Frank Fanon or Mao Zedong for comparative study, Moi could not be discussed even in private. While this was going on he continued looting the country with his cohorts.Let the truth set us free, Adolf Hitler changed Germany but that did not make him a saint.
Who are we talking about here,he was left sh 20 @£20 economy, ruined it and corruption was everywhere,his last days all corporations and public jobs were all filled with rift valley tribes. All the mess in Kenya has a bearing to his leadership. We can respect him as a Kenyan and a father but nothing else especially in his final years.
@Sunkuli...today we still talk of and we will never forget Hitler either. @kaguthi....halfmask is a state decision. Some kenyans are sad, some are indifferent & don't care while others are happy & relieved. Kenya is not unanimously mourning.
I know, Koigi was not happy When John Demathew died, Patriotism, Dy with nothing, but leave Kenya with something. Ideally by default, no one will live for ever, Someone one day if not worth, has to pay for the price of all suffered
Koigi's exile escapades were always self engineered....and always, only come back during elections and would go back into exile after a losing. Moi never GAF about him.
Kagutthi nobody is mourning, I hope and pray that he repented to the almighty God, stop implying that Moi was a good person, he was evil, he killed Ouko, I will never forget that, this dictatorship in Africa must stop, where if you oppose a government you are exile! shame on you Kaguthi
Kenya needs dictatorship just look at the current situation then people were fed now we have so many educated with no jobs power is not for the weak people will step on you.
@@kevinwachira4617 No we don't need dictatorship. Looks like your we's and my we's are different.Sixties to nineties was a period of dictatorship across Africa. There is nothing to show for the three decades' dictatorship.
@@kevinwachira4617 Indonesia had dictators until 1997 but today they are an Asian tiger with massive industrial prowess. Suharto accumulated some USD 9bn but left his country prosperous. We had dictators that only robbed us blind and impoverished us.
Some are calling it blessings but to me I will say that he was paying for all the evil deeds he did to others,as waswahili husema "ya dunia hulipiwa humu humu".
Koigi and Kathangu were part and parcel of the Kiambu Mafias group, if you remember the one wanted to change the constitution, when Mzee began growing weak (Kenyatta) so that the Vice President (Moi)not to take power after death, and even if it were me I could not tolerate such character...
Ignorance uttered in pathetic confidence. Do you understand that those two were detained without trial by Kenyatta himself and you dare call them "kiambu mafia"?
@k chebet Ati Kenya had no debt before Moi? Ati Moi "didn't want to borrow? 🤔 wonder where you get your info from. Moi's regime was blacklisted by IMF & World Bank at one time. He had no choice. We started borrowing in Kenyatta's regime, continued when we could in Moi's regime, increased Kibaki regime, went overboard Uhuruto regime...so seems like there's a pattern here.
Koigi should understand that government have system.EVEN today WHAT is uhuru doing to his supporters today yet you were not a moi supporter. you got what you deserved
This host never let Koigi speak. .cutting him over and over again, he is biased against Koigi, so why invite him , why ask him questions and prevent him from answering.
It 's important for victims of the alleged Moi dictatorship to forgive him,forgive & forget as the late former president had remorsefully asked those whom he had ever wronged in any way to forgive him. Moi has returned to His Maker and God is All knowing and the Perfect Judge.
the man has left behind 300 billion how is that possible for one family to acquire such wealth, I remember Moi as a dictator who murdered so many people and was in simple language a despot! if anyone cannot deal with that don't come here and started commenting or lecturing, write your own opinion! and I will not comment
So longers at last he said if I did wrong forgive me if you did wrong to me forgive me,if I talk bad hurts you forgive me? That's why he stayed long . God always Forgive.
Ati what? Moi is the standard in East Africa? Stop ur foolishness Mr Honorable! Moi resigned after the likes of Nyerere n Mwinyi (age mates) had long gone !
@@SaaS-Guide He can write a book as well or he has already i don't know but from what i have observed he can say alot of negatives about him more than any other people ... He's never forgiven him yet.
@@cirukarago7251 He is not saying a lot of negatives, he is just sharing his experience with Moi. You see, I can be so loving and good to you, that all the memories you have of me are good. I can also be so evil to you, so much that when you recall my time with you, you just recoil in horror. That's why it is so traumatizing for orphans, when they don't end up in a new home with loving guardians.
If my memory serves me right someone like Julius Shukuli should be ashamed of himself, he raped & he impregnated his cousin while in public office trying to advocate & sugarcoat what Moi did won't change the damages he did to the country, a good example was what he did to the late honourable Kenneth Matiba & Roberts Ouko and the likes of Koigi, he should have confessed on what he did be4 asking forgiveness. Moi was not a hero but a dictator of manipulated the system to oppress the poor & enrich himself & his cronies like the late Nicholas Biwot "total man".he left Kenya more worse than he had found it.
Let them talk he did good some and he did bad too. And now we see vividly one guy is hungry for power from that side. But we salute his children there is no bad to talk about them. We hope his children will offer appology to the nation on behalf is nice thing and all unger will go that it means to have good children. We proud of them.
I don't know who this good man is but, the moderator did a messy job with the regulation of sensitivity towards aesthetic of discussion. Absolutely no sense of fluidity nor apparent charm.. which comes of a little tacky and very openly timid. Let them finish a point then cordially compliment or charismatically animate your way into your follow-up expression. This though isn't even remotely close to what a controversially state motivated, significant, professional and iconoclastic face-off should be tailored. These surviving spawn of inescapable world's of absolute nemesis finally met up in a closed space to stand off on ALL that jive that went down ALL those years (borderline mythical)! Best thing anyone could do is let that energy HAPPEN! Let's witness the collision of two opposite worlds give birth to a brand new constellation! Call me in next time.. I will GLADLY conduct the greatest dance ever known to man.. LOL!!!
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KOIGI WAMWERE spoke from his heart,the pain he pass through and can not be compared with the chain FRANKLIN BETT passed through under MOI so you can not be loved by every one,every human who was under moi system have different opinion.
Am happy Koigi has had a chance to talk from the depth of his heart, notwithstanding what others think
His life is troubled
If he spoke up then, it is much easier to speak up now, in this sea of freedom we're swimming in.
Koigi and kathangu typical centre men..they are intelligent aki
These guys were in power in 70s n 80s...and they still look fresh and young than our BBI president
They ate well and most likely not drink alcohol
Nice debate, Kenya needs more & more. Congratulations
Moi was a man who only loved his job the presidency power and all that which comes with it. Moi was NOT a patriot a nationalist or statesman and to call him these names is the height of hypocrisy by some Kenyans and those who benefited from his 24 yrs of misrule. Moi don't even deserve a state burial.
Imagine we had a retired former president during the 2007/08 post election turmoil that nearly brought this country to its knees and it took Koffi Annan together with the former head of states of Tanzania Ghana and South Africa to broker peace when the country was burning yet Moi was just around never uttered a word and that is the Moi legacy he was part and parcel of the problem and could never have been the solution.
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr said that he or she who cannot take a stand in times of crisis and live with it whatever the circumstances do NOT deserve to live. Really Moi did not deserve to have lived in the first place.
I personally give Moi credit where it is due and I am giving him 60% credit for a smooth transition and handing over power peacefully to Kibaki in 2002 mainly bcoz Kibaki was a Moi loyalist having served as his VP for 12 yrs and was never a serious political opponent otherwise Moi could NOT have handed power to someone like RAO.
Late President Mzee Moi was a born big star that led Kenya to great heights of prosperity despite being denied aid by the Bretton woods institute IMF, World Bank, etc, and yet, by grace of Jehovah Elohim, he sent peace keeping Kenya Army Millitary troops to restore peace in the troubled European and African countries at their time of their greatest need. What a golden heart he had for suffering human race.
I am happy to hear that people are free to air he did alot of killing and bitter taste of life in Nyayo. He will carry his burdern
Rest in Peace Mzee Daniel Arap Moi!!!
Its true Moi knew how to adjust as per the current situation then, and again his advisers were very sharp.
Every coin as two sides ...Koigi and all his loved ones knows what they felt and what he went through and i feel for him...Kathangu you are also soo right when did you know this person how and on wich angle...good summary mimi namjua na maziwa tu...or i was corrupted via milk...whatever,,,politics is something else...but this information is good for our next generation , All in all the Human in us dictates we just say RIP PRESIDENT MOI:
Darling there are three sides to the coin...the rough edges still count....some of this men were just selfish....and love never dwells in their heart....for example Koingi was happy when Jommo died , happy when Mou is gone or not....He surely need to let the gone rest
...what will be some of this Men legacy...We will always remember Moi with all the schools he built ...the gal child support education wise...and the maziwa ya Nyayo....the system was the problem and ofcourse the coup attempt dictated otherwise and brought the beast in him out....we all have a beast in us waiting to be provoked. May Mzee Rest in peace eternity!
A tough and uncomfortable session...yet necessary.
Koigi is not feeling Moi's legendary stories of him being a hero....
Me neither
No amount of praise can or will erase Moi's name from the list of the world's most cruel leaders, the likes of Idi Amin, Adolf Hitler etc.
As much as we would want to paint a saint out of Moi let's remember the blood of those who perished out of his brutality and cruelty is still wailing, none of his descendants will ever know peace to the fourth generation.
Yes
Yes Moi was a terrorist.
Adolf hitler??? Yu are crazy...since he was the worst, he retired almost twenty years ago... but the country is struggling with those mafias who have hijacked the country....stop using moi as a scapegoat...coz he did many things that were progressive....
The truth hurts but it must be told,am sorry.
To be sincere I don't know of any progressive thing that he did for Kenyans but to himself I guess there are many including grabbing land from widowed women.
Why are you not talking about post election violence and the leaders who caused them let who has no sin cast the first stone we all have a good and bad side his iron fist rule came after the coup🙄
RIP Moi’s victims🙏🏾
Moi was a good man only Kiambu massives changed his personality.He was a patriot and no nungses man.He dealt with those who gave him problem but he did a good job.His love for mwananchi was seen wen he visited every part of da country
You need medication
@@henryyogen563 she has, she only forgot to take it.
Kaguthi thank you 👌👏👏
During those years it's the time that young guys their lifes was miserable, those who completed schools in the yr 1992and after there went to wast, that ageneration suffered alot ,I remember those riots in kamunkunji,where as a person attended we were teargassed and it was not easier for this u call multpartism to come across.
True. He lost a whole generation who left university.
Now u see results of multi party: corruption, tribalism, and more corruption. Nothing good for common people but corrupt politicians to get stealing
@@salimmachila5736 But corruption has been a part of Kenya since the days of Jomo Kenyatta! Multipartism and opening up of democratic space has only created more for people to express themselves. In other words, multipartism has helped in exposing corruption.
Let who has no sin cast the first stone Koigi you should have a forgiving heart cz Moi before he left power he asked for everyone's that he wronged forgiveness let God be the judge RIP Daniel toroitich arap Moi 🙏
There's nothing wrong with Koigi being truthful and honest about his interactions with Moi.
You can forgive, but that does not stop us from discussing his weakness. You may not know, but in the eighties a political science student could not keep any manuscript on Karl Marx, Lenin, Frank Fanon or Mao Zedong for comparative study, Moi could not be discussed even in private. While this was going on he continued looting the country with his cohorts.Let the truth set us free, Adolf Hitler changed Germany but that did not make him a saint.
Long live Koigi Wamwere!
Who are we talking about here,he was left sh 20 @£20 economy, ruined it and corruption was everywhere,his last days all corporations and public jobs were all filled with rift valley tribes.
All the mess in Kenya has a bearing to his leadership.
We can respect him as a Kenyan and a father but nothing else especially in his final years.
Just forward to where Koigi is speaking leave the rest
To know somebody's true character give him power.....
Abraham Lincoln.
@Sunkuli...today we still talk of and we will never forget Hitler either. @kaguthi....halfmask is a state decision. Some kenyans are sad, some are indifferent & don't care while others are happy & relieved. Kenya is not unanimously mourning.
Except for Koigi, the rest of the panel ate during Moi's regime.
Koigi is just a troubled soul
Yes, it depends on which side of your toast was buttered then
My hero koigi wamwere
Well said gentleman he's father of children's big up.may our former president moi R.I.P Amen
Where is Revered Timothy Joya .We would like to hear him being questioned.
I know, Koigi was not happy When John Demathew died, Patriotism, Dy with nothing, but leave Kenya with something. Ideally by default, no one will live for ever, Someone one day if not worth, has to pay for the price of all suffered
Koigi is the realest here. The rest don't make any sense. They are sell-outs. Period.
They were used to oppress those who were against the dictator system the likes of Kaguthi,Sunkuli,Bett and others
@@kenngigi2470 And here they are singing their master-tyrant's praises.
How many cows? Good lord this is why kenya we are so behind ..these people lacked vision
I wish we could hear from Raphael Ndingi....
He is ailing. Memory lost
@@samouritoure3282 pole
Last video I saw of him online he was in an elderly home
Moi is a real legend he cared the poor ad did not entertain nonsense 😂😂😂
You lived in a cocoon...this goon should have died in a dungeon for all his crimes.
what about Ouko.
@@wwjd3792 i said main
How old are you?🙁🙁🙁
@@aaronoluoch4510 mind you're own
Koigi's exile escapades were always self engineered....and always, only come back during elections and would go back into exile after a losing. Moi never GAF about him.
All over East Africa only Julius Nyerere will never be buried in our minds and not true as this desport Sunkuli says.
Kagutthi nobody is mourning, I hope and pray that he repented to the almighty God, stop implying that Moi was a good person, he was evil, he killed Ouko, I will never forget that, this dictatorship in Africa must stop, where if you oppose a government you are exile! shame on you Kaguthi
Kenya needs dictatorship just look at the current situation then people were fed now we have so many educated with no jobs power is not for the weak people will step on you.
@@kevinwachira4617 No we don't need dictatorship. Looks like your we's and my we's are different.Sixties to nineties was a period of dictatorship across Africa. There is nothing to show for the three decades' dictatorship.
@@kevinwachira4617 Indonesia had dictators until 1997 but today they are an Asian tiger with massive industrial prowess. Suharto accumulated some USD 9bn but left his country prosperous. We had dictators that only robbed us blind and impoverished us.
Kaguthi was a beneficiary of Moi and if you remembered when he was Nairobi PC he behaved and acted aimlessly.
@@kenngigi2470 kenya is in trouble when we are spending 300 million mourning despot and we cannot even control the locust inversion, really pathetic
Kaguthi is fanatical as always ehh! Can’t teach old dogs new tricks for sure..😆
Untill he is dead he never appologied. There are some good and bad but bad things never forgotten.
Go back to history Moi before he left power he Apologized and asked for forgiveness to everyone he wronged.
@@kevinwachira4617 forgiveness takes more than words. He could have gone ahead and restored the lives of those his rule impacted negatively
call a spade a spade time
They should have given us two days to mourn
He was indeed a standard President
Truth be told. In order to maintain order in a country you need to apply a bit of dictatorship.
Kenya is a mess because of people like Moi. Lots of leaders suffered because of this guy - Think about People like Matiba who fought for democracy
MOI was good man coz he dealt with individual not community
Another fairy tale
Moi real paid his soul in pain for those evils he did
Some are calling it blessings but to me I will say that he was paying for all the evil deeds he did to others,as waswahili husema "ya dunia hulipiwa humu humu".
What happens wajeer in 1982 do you think we forget that wait you will payback soon than you think
Koigi and Kathangu were part and parcel of the Kiambu Mafias group, if you remember the one wanted to change the constitution, when Mzee began growing weak (Kenyatta) so that the Vice President (Moi)not to take power after death, and even if it were me I could not tolerate such character...
Therefore, Moi was intolerant to opposition. That's the definition of a despot.
The Kiambu mafia group was from Kiambu. Neither Kathangu nor Koigi was/is from Kiambu.
Ignorance uttered in pathetic confidence. Do you understand that those two were detained without trial by Kenyatta himself and you dare call them "kiambu mafia"?
@k chebet Ati Kenya had no debt before Moi? Ati Moi "didn't want to borrow? 🤔 wonder where you get your info from. Moi's regime was blacklisted by IMF & World Bank at one time. He had no choice. We started borrowing in Kenyatta's regime, continued when we could in Moi's regime, increased Kibaki regime, went overboard Uhuruto regime...so seems like there's a pattern here.
Kathangu and Koigi.... were not in the mafia
Koigi should understand that government have system.EVEN today WHAT is uhuru doing to his supporters today yet you were not a moi supporter. you got what you deserved
Today veteran Linus has let me down with too much and unnecessary interruptions,
michael imbiru I thin Linus is not a fun of Koigi in this discussion 😂🤣
@@nikristee Hehehe, politics is a hot topic wakwetu, sande muno
Everyone has good& bad !!!RIP MZEE MOI
May he rot in hell..shetani yeye
Moi killed Muge
This host never let Koigi speak. .cutting him over and over again, he is biased against Koigi, so why invite him , why ask him questions and prevent him from answering.
Media Sabotage Democracy.
It 's important for victims of the alleged Moi dictatorship to forgive him,forgive & forget as the late former president had remorsefully asked those whom he had ever wronged in any way to forgive him. Moi has returned to His Maker and God is All knowing and the Perfect Judge.
Koigi just say as it 😂😂 you never liked him and his death has no impact on you..we know you as a brave man why couldn't you just say it to save time🤔.
😂😂 😂😂
Koigi. Was very mean and he did nothing for us in Nakuru Bahati. No roads!!!!!!!
His death will be highly celebrated koigis
Where can i find the rest of the clip?
Moi was criminal and unfortunately passed away before he faced justice!
He has massacred thousands of innocent lives!
Kaguthi calls it 'half mask'
national mourning my foot!
Sunkuli umesema ukweli
NOT RELATED: Where is Paul MUITE?
the man has left behind 300 billion how is that possible for one family to acquire such wealth, I remember Moi as a dictator who murdered so many people and was in simple language a despot! if anyone cannot deal with that don't come here and started commenting or lecturing, write your own opinion! and I will not comment
North eastern people him and kenyatta they have killed and tried to eliminate Somalis from North Eastern. They feil
So longers at last he said if I did wrong forgive me if you did wrong to me forgive me,if I talk bad hurts you forgive me?
That's why he stayed long .
God always Forgive.
Moi has no legacy his poor leadership is still felt update he succeeded in tearing down the country big shame
Ati what? Moi is the standard in East Africa? Stop ur foolishness Mr Honorable! Moi resigned after the likes of Nyerere n Mwinyi (age mates) had long gone !
Don't dwell on what moi did only what exactly did you do to deserve the kamiti maximum?
And what the fucking had your folks done to deserve the Wagalla Massacre?
You are such a let down to the victims of Wagalla.
So those Wagalla victims deserved death?
Don't ask a question the answer to which you are not prepared to handle woman.
All of u go to hell
I feel like Koigi has spoken for 20 minutes answering a question needing just 5 at most
Koigi experienced a lot more than the others, therefore, he naturally has more to say, and he did not get sufficient time to say it all.
💯😂😂
@@SaaS-Guide He can write a book as well or he has already i don't know but from what i have observed he can say alot of negatives about him more than any other people ... He's never forgiven him yet.
@@cirukarago7251 He is not saying a lot of negatives, he is just sharing his experience with Moi.
You see, I can be so loving and good to you, that all the memories you have of me are good.
I can also be so evil to you, so much that when you recall my time with you, you just recoil in horror.
That's why it is so traumatizing for orphans, when they don't end up in a new home with loving guardians.
What about 92 and 97 .
U only talking about 80s.
Linus Kakai puts alot of make up like a lady.A man powdering face excessively
If my memory serves me right someone like Julius Shukuli should be ashamed of himself, he raped & he impregnated his cousin while in public office trying to advocate & sugarcoat what Moi did won't change the damages he did to the country, a good example was what he did to the late honourable Kenneth Matiba & Roberts Ouko and the likes of Koigi, he should have confessed on what he did be4 asking forgiveness. Moi was not a hero but a dictator of manipulated the system to oppress the poor & enrich himself & his cronies like the late Nicholas Biwot "total man".he left Kenya more worse than he had found it.
It very sad some of your guests have a lot of anger. They should remember that it was the law then. It wasn't Mzee Moi.
Let them talk he did good some and he did bad too. And now we see vividly one guy is hungry for power from that side. But we salute his children there is no bad to talk about them. We hope his children will offer appology to the nation on behalf is nice thing and all unger will go that it means to have good children. We proud of them.
Very true.The constitution was the issue.That means whoever could be president in the formation of the old Law could be hated by all...
John Njoroge Moi was the law
Kirimu giki.
It's easy for you to say so, after all, you weren't the one who was imprisoned.
I don't know who this good man is but, the moderator did a messy job with the regulation of sensitivity towards aesthetic of discussion. Absolutely no sense of fluidity nor apparent charm.. which comes of a little tacky and very openly timid.
Let them finish a point then cordially compliment or charismatically animate your way into your follow-up expression. This though isn't even remotely close to what a controversially state motivated, significant, professional and iconoclastic face-off should be tailored. These surviving spawn of inescapable world's of absolute nemesis finally met up in a closed space to stand off on ALL that jive that went down ALL those years (borderline mythical)! Best thing anyone could do is let that energy HAPPEN! Let's witness the collision of two opposite worlds give birth to a brand new constellation!
Call me in next time.. I will GLADLY conduct the greatest dance ever known to man.. LOL!!!
Koigi's hat is dirty.
Linus u're getting boring! Ask n let them answer!!! U're interrupting too much!!