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- Andrew Carter from the News & Observer covers UNC, NC State and Duke from Raleigh. He breaks down the odds of UNC suing the ACC and where the Tar Heels could wind up.
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It’ll be hilarious if the big ten ends up getting UNC, ND, FSU, and UVA. The SEC will be left with the scraps!
You're probably right, but the SEC would still be the best in football.
FSU doesn’t want the 63-3 smoke, lol
@@tungthanhdinh7401naw we jus tired of watching Georgia choke to BAMA every year
@@Almighty5-ww1kl haha, spouting idiotic and nonsensical things like FSU fans usually do. Bama Georgia games result is irrelevant to FSU wanting to join the SEC or not. But this is probably too logical and sophisticated for FSU fans to understand, lol.
UNC and UVA would be good homecoming opponents for B1G. They can’t all play northwestern and Indiana
Very good interview John. I really enjoyed Andrew's perspectives. He brought up some cogent points such as no ACC titles in football since the 80's, recent attendance issues, and mismatch with the # of non football sports compared to other conferences. UNC I an absolutely beautiful campus and their stadium is amazing especially at night. I agree with Andrew. I would stay put and here is why. I believe a lot of what we are witnessing right now is temporary. Stanford in the ACC as one example. Conference realignment, NIL money, and paying players directly by schools are all fluid situations. There will be other changes coming down the road because some schools like Mississippi State, Oregon State, Wake Forest etc are simply not going to have the money to do what Alabama and Ohio State can do in terms of football. I think we will end up with tiers and then members of each tier can be in the playoffs at the end but what a tier one school pays players will be much different than a tier 3 or 4 school. Also, I believe regional scheduling will return within each tier. Travel costs are going to have to be reduced and regional rivalries will return. No one wants to see Cal play Georgia Tech or Purdue play Washington. More sustainable models will be on the way once these legal issues deliver some clarity and some guardrails are put up on the transfer situation. Truthfully, colleges are in a lot worse shape financially than they are letting on. LSU women's basketball won the National Title in 2023 yet operated in the red in 2024. The money is just not going g to be there to do all of this.
Thank you so much for not having a 30, 60 plus minute video. Great content!
ND is the prize. UNC, Virginia and Miami will most likely be coveted by the Big 10. All 3 are AAU. Miami is where the elite speed comes from. It also becoming NYC Financial South. FSU(not a AAU school) is not a heavy recruiting ground. Virginia, UNC and Maryland have a long history together. Clemson(Not a AAU school) may need a lifeline. South Carolina Gamecocks does not want them in the SEC. They add very little to the Big 10 other than football. But these are football decisions after all.
So do Maryland and Miami. Maryland leads the series by 1 (11-10 I think) game, including one of the greatest comebacks ever in Miami vs the defending National Champion Canes. Miami was up 31-0 at the half. Maryland won 42-40.
I’m a Floridian Terp. I’m hoping we get 2 Florida schools to play in conference. UNC and UVA are good fits in the B1G South Pod also. Then there’s ND and GT.
FSU missed AAU status by that much this year, to Miami. :)
ND isn't joining the B1G until it has to, and recent events suggest that it has secured the ACC as a relevant Tier 2 (at least) until 2036.
I maintain that CLEMSON and UNC are allied and have already committed to the SEC. The level of political interference in NC is unexpected, which will likely affect CEMSON's legal strategy and may force UNC to reconsider the B1G.
Word is that UVA has snubbed SEC overtures. I'm unclear what that may mean.
MARYLAND fans reek of apathy after ~10 seasons in the B1G. No thank you.
If North Carolina doesn’t care about football then just stay in the ACC whatever’s left of it. Just stay there. You haven’t won the ACC in over 40 years. What makes you think you’re gonna win the SEC or compete in the Big Ten! Just stay in the ACC same thing with Miami they’ve never won the ACC.
Realignment has nothing to do with competitiveness. It's all about making more money.
Every school would be fine never winning a championship if it means an extra $30 million per year.
@@Alohanate2004MINUS the $20 million the next 10 years for the NCAA lawsuit! Oops!!
@@Alohanate2004 I disagree the tax income that North Carolina has with the agreement with the ACC they would lose millions more than they'll ever make!!! There a basketball school and will be just fine and they won't have to travel all over the country either!!!
Yeah academics are sooooo important for a school that created no show classes to keep athletes academically eligible
The course you are talking about was about indoctrination and not academics, and all schools have such courses.
@@Hubba-n6l It was a class in name only. African American Studies.
The ACC is the Carolina basketball schools conference and they allowed a few football schools (FSU/Clemson) to push their brand. But as the money avalanche keeps building UNC/NCState will eventually have to make a real business decision and there are no more backroom Raycomm sports deals to save them!
Nonsense.... All expansions from FSU to L'VILLE were football focused, pushed by the football members, and over some degree of T-Road objection.
Unlike Carolina, State is not an AAU member. Full stop. That is the differentiator BIG is using to sell expansion member admin; it is adding big research, peer schools and the SEC is not. State seems destined for the Big 12. And Carter continues his decades long record of being wrong about UNC; alumni and fans have been uneasy about Bubba's leadership for months, if not years given all the recent flux in college athletics. UNC was relatively flat-footed on NIL and the department legit seemed fired up about a field hockey championship, the latter being a reflection of being in denial about just how hard it is going to be to field 28 varsity sports going forward. In fact, in light of the dopey, unworkable House "settlement," it is to your competitive disadvantage to field 28 rosters you now have to "pay" instead of say, 11. The upshot is even though I think the BOT will move heaven and earth to try to make a change, my alma mater is probably going to go down with the ACC ship.
You are a Rock Star John... I really enjoy your show!~
Also, I learned a long time ago DONT LISTEN TO ANYONE FROM THE N&O
I learned a long time to never believe any sports analyst. The biggest stories are usually broken by small-time newspaper sports reporters and yahoo sports.
UNC and Virginia are both AAU schools , you'd think they would want to get into the Big Ten more then the SEC
Yeah, and you would have thought that UT (who is also AAU) would want to go to the B10 too. Yet the Longhorns are joining the SEC.
I am pretty certain UNC would accept the BIG10 invite if ACC does implode
@@TheOceanMan-xc7qp I doubt they will. Their fanbase and BMDs are staunchly in favor of the SEC. If they move, that's the most likely destination. But there is a good chance the ACC holds together and stay where they are.
@@deadeye4520 TEXAS has never been in an academically branded conference. UNC and UVA are flagships in a very academically branded conference.
Nevertheless, UNC appears to be leaning SEC while UVA appears to still be "never SEC".
@@deadeye4520 Word is UT wouldn't split from OK or they would've been in the B1G . B1G wouldn't take OK .
Just looked it up. The guest is wrong. The Big 10 sponsors 28 sports, but it may not be the same 28 as UNC who is showing an interest in ice hockey.
I don’t know the actual number, but I know Ohio State has more sports than 28. I believe it’s in the 30s.
@@philstamper4542 so does other B1G schools....Penn State is over 28 as I believe Michigan is also.
The only sport that UNC competes in that is not a B1G sponsored sport is Fencing. The ACC has 4 schools in its Fencing conference; UNC, BC, Duke and Notre Dame. B1G has Penn State and Ohio State that compete as independents.
Every other sport UNC has will slot right into B1G conference.
If UNC joins SEC they would need to find homes for; fencing, m&w lacrosse, w rowing, m soccer, wrestling
@@Emperor_Fabulous yeah but the most important sport, which is football North Carolina and not all of their fans but a good portion of them don’t care much about, they haven’t won the ACC conference in over 40 years and whenever I watch North Carolina football that stadium isn’t full! The Big Ten has enough of those types of schools in the conference! They don’t need to add another one. Big Ten fans want quality not quantity.
@@philstamper4542 which is why fans don't make the decisions. UNC is the top target behind ND
I am still lean SEC. I do agree that the academic profile/olympic sports profile fits in the BIG 10. However, here is my rationale for the SEC. Geography, budget deficits, regional travel less expensive, and the new rivalries would be more appealing. Yes, UNC will have to become all in on Football. The program has been stabilized under Mack, what happens next we shall see.
The SEC would be foolish to not expand the number of sponsored sports if it added UNC on top of FLORIDA, TEXAS & GEORGIA. Throw in maybe UVA & DUKE?
B1G also shares over $10 Billion yearly in research .
@@Mike-vw8kk The BIG 10 is a fine conference. I wouldn’t hate the BIG 10. As long as we get the heck out of the ACC.
@@Mike-vw8kk Grants are not pooled/shared at the conference level.
I'm old school. Do not like change. Hopefully heels stay in acc. But won't be surprised if UNC is in the big 10 by 2025
Won't be an ACC in 4.
There’s been a lot of big ten vs other conference leadership doing the swap at higher levels, looking like transition management protocol to support the transition phase and building bridges to become assimilated into the culture. It happened at Oregon, USC, UW, and you mention UNC going to MSU, both basketball schools, it follows suit with what happened with Oregon, USC, there’s the leadership swap between OSU, Nebraska, A&M… idk this is all very interesting to watch.
The UNC official was forced out by the pro SEC faction. That move was not really voluntary nor strategic.
I agree about just because you're going to a conference that's better in certain Sports is automatically going to make you better in that sport. Just ask Vanderbilt, Illinois and so forth in football
FSU, now perhaps UNC to the B1G? I'm all for it!!!!
UNC….. come on in to the Big Ten. It is wonderful. Trust me. Not sure your financial situation but they will work with you. Not everyone gets a full share right off the bat, but it’s coming. Welcome!
a) MARYLAND fans now reek of apathy. No thanks to the B1G.
b) The SEC will gladly offer a full share to UNC, so please BIG, offer a partial to assure UNC makes the correct decision.
If UNC wants the SEC, let them have it.
I think the B1G should take FSU, and Miami initially, Then ND if they will, although I'm personally losing patience with them. Take Stanford with ND. Get Texas A&M along with Maybe UVA after that. Oh, Probably Kansas before UVA, IMO.
Park FSU in the BIG12 until 2036?
UNC is a better cultural fit for the B1G, perhaps linked with UVa.
No serious conference would want UVA football.
The B1G already has 14 bad football programs. Adding NC and Virginia would make it worse
@@dp26385truth but both B10 and sec seem to want them. UVA brings al lot besides football
@@dp26385 Serious conferences are looking from within the future ~48-team Tier 1 P2.
Sec makes sense for unc
That schools has so many factions. The BOT is all in on the SEC. They got shut down by one of the BIG factions and a restraining order this past week that kept them from discussing conference realignment behind closed doors. A lot of the old BIG factions have been pushed out the door there. It's a mess. On top of all this it's now North Carolina law that the NC BOG has to make all decisions on what UNC and NC State does. That's the law. Period. The NC BOG heavily lean SEC.
Huh?! The Big Ten does not care. If UNC wants to go to the SEC, go to the SEC.
The Big Ten is currently doing fine pre-expansion and w/o UNC. The Big Ten will do fine post-expansion and w/o UNC.
Does FSU, Clemson, and UNC to the Big 10 not seem sensible? Get them before the SEC does. Could GA Tech and UVA not be possibilities?
Will the SEC go after VA Tech and NC State?
Honestly I think the whole Pac12 teams joining the B1G will prevent them to expand south. Too much traveling for fans.
The problem with letting Clemson and Florida State fight this out for you is that you might be letting them get dibs for a landing spot. Maybe the sec takes Clemson and Florida state because they were the first to leave, and there's no room anywhere for anyone else.
The SEC and B1G will always make room for UNC. In fact, neither may expand again until UNC is either secured or lost (ignoring wildcard ND).
@@tarheel7406 I don't understand at all why North Carolina is such a desirable prize. Yeah, they have basketball and academics, but I thought it was all about football? Are they really going to be additive? Yes, there's the argument that neither the big 10 nor the SEC are in the state yet, but I don't buy that UNC is the most coveted piece in the ACC.
@@budtrom It's not all about football. It's about the expected holistic/relative value within a closed ~48-team Tier 1.
@@tarheel7406 they've been telling us it's all about football for the past 5 years, now all of a sudden academics and basketball matter? Bottom line, any university that isn't adding more than their share, the power 2 will hesitate to add. Because that's money out of everybody's pocket.
You're right, it isn't all about football. It's all about $$$. I still say, FSU and Clemson will get taken before UNC. Especially if they're the first to wriggle free from the ACC.
@@budtrom
a) Ignorant fans say it's all about football. Even if it is, it's about expected football success after the consolidation rather than within the dying P5 world.
b) Nearly every reporter and analyst (many citing inside SEC/B1G source) have confirmed that UVA/UNC are the top expansion targets from the ACC (ignoring ND).
Ohio State fan here we would love for North Carolina to be in the big ten
Michigan fan here. No one cares what ohio thinks.
@@freeclimb5487 who cares what you think
Lol
Strange end to the video. Will there be a part II or a reupload?
First time visiting your channel, and I have multiple nits to pick with AC, whom, for sure has covered Carolina, but is hardly recognized as an unbiased,or reliable source. To call his "explanation" pedestrian, is a disservice to people who know how to walk and chew gum at the same time. Stadiums all over the country are doing exactly what Carolina did in Kenan Stadium. It's an old, albeit beautiful place to watch a game. The seats desperately needed updating, and now the old bleachers are gone, replaced with stadium seats. In the original plans for the addition of the Kenan Football Center, supports were installed to add an additional 10-15k seats winging the coaches' offices. That would put the capacity somewhere around 70-75k seats. Considering the difficulties many schools see with the advent of in home viewing being a preferred experience, they're ahead of the curve. Moving to a conference only makes sense if you can be a draw for your target audience. No disrespect to the members of the B1G, but the Carolina fanbase will pack it out for SEC schedules, but probably not for Rutgers, MSU, Indiana, Perdue, et al. Put Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Auburn, Texas, etc. on the schedule, and let's see how it goes. Also, though Carolina Carolina, rightly stated hasn't won the conference in far, far too long, to assume it hasn't been competitive, or within a wisker of doing it since then, well, is just disingenuous. Schools throughout the SEC are permeated with recruits from NC--because they want to play on the biggest stage, and against/with the best talent. Moving to a conference with no geographic ties, and outside of your footprint, with no regional rivalries would be beyond dense. It'd be program suicide. Carolina belongs in the SEC. Period. Stop. There is no scenario--including a visit from the ghost of Bill Friday, himself--that can change the fact that the fans want Carolina in the SEC, and to then let the chips fall where they may. Keep the NC kids who want to play on the biggest stage in state, eliminating the need to go elsewhere, and see how that goes. This is NOT an academic decision, but purely an athletic one.
Pretty much....
As a B1G alum, I think UNC missed their window 10 years ago. They doubled down on basketball as the money trends shifted to football. They won't be able to catch up in football and would just be another filler program. I'd rather have FSU and Miami now than UNC. Let the Heels go to the SEC and lose over 6 football games a year along with reduced research funding.
Research brings in more money than all the sports combined!!! You people think sports and only sports when in reality sports is secondary to Research!! You knuckle dragging Neanderthals.
You always fail to think dynamically. The P2 consolidation will have a parity effect on football.
The guest was wrong on a number of things.
@@tarheel7406 Wrong. Was there a parity effect when the English Premier League was created? There was a consolidation of the top 18 teams in English soccer with relegation of the bottom two. The big 6 have dominated for its entire existence except the one year LC won it all.
There won't be a shared revenue system between the SEC and B1G, and there definitely won't be a salary cap on NIL. Not to mention UNC already being 10 years behind on facility upgrades while battling a athletic deficit. Therefore this idea of a NFL-AFL merger creating parity doesn't apply. If UNC couldn't elevate in football in the ACC then they'll be Minnesota (at best) in the SEC.
@@heartbreak25 Surely even you would know that a professional Euro sport is far different than an American college sport.
@@tarheel7406 Answer the question. Both sports have the exact same system. American pro sports have a draft, revenue sharing, and salary cap. College football is going to create a draft so a bad UNC team will have an equal opportunity to sign a top ranked player? You get better through talent acquisition, retention, and development and UNC hasn't done that in over 40 years.
UNC to the B1G. Maybe, probably, could be. 🤷♂️
Ohio State sponsors 36 sports, so the last statement of the interview isn't exactly accurate.
B1G sponsors 28 sports - 14 men’s and 14 women’s. ACC sponsors 15 men’s and 13 women’s. SEC - 9 men’s and 13 women’s.
Look folks, you better have chemistry with whatever conference you go to and ot base everything simply on money.
If unc takes too long that 100% could be left behind. They aren’t that big of a school or get to wait and see.
Being left behind will occur only at a point in time in which both the Big 10 and SEC decide that they don’t want UNC in their conference. That day will never arrive. It’s a University that checks all the boxes regardless of whether football is up or down.
Both the SEC and B1G will always make room for UNC.
Love to see North Caroline in the B1G
This goofball talks about not wanting to put football on a pedestal. But the ACC puts basketball on a pedestal. WTF is the difference?
UNC is better off in the BiG 10
Outside of ND, UNC is the prize. Either league UNC would be middle tier at best in football. All other sports they would compete quite well. Academically they are Big 10 quality. UNC MBB has a long history in the tournament with the Big 10. They often have to go through the Big 10 to win championships. 1957 Beat Michigan State Semi final 3 OT's) Then beat Kansas(Wilt Chamberlain) 3OT's. Loss to Indiana in 1981 Championship(Isiah Thomas). Beat Michigan (Fab 5) 1993 Championship. 2005 Championship Beat Illinois. 2009 Championship beat Michigan State(Draymond Green). Non revenue sports Stanford is a competitor in a lot of those. Maryland has a long history with UNC. I do think the SEC wants a North Carolina team. UNC is probably the only one they would want.
a) UNC is the top expansion target of the SEC by far.
b) The P2 consolidation will have a parity effect on football due to recruiting and exposure advantages.
BYE BYE ACC See you in the wilderness # the Pac 12
Just hoping that the BIG12 schools don't get all of the best camping sites.
It belongs on that pedestal and we were just honest
The where has all but been announced. The when is the only element that will continue to elude us. There isn’t the chaotic rush that FSU is pushing for themselves. The tv networks aren’t wanting the rush either. Otherwise moves would have already been made.
Little mention of NC State's role in this situation.
If Carolina goes to the b10, they will piss off more than half the fan base. It would THE worse thing to do. I would ask my state rep and senator to stop it.
Cool. As a B1G alum, we will only shrug.
You would ask your state rep to involve themselves in something that is not a legislative matter? Big govt because you dont get your way?
Okay. Take your butt to the SEC
@@A1Googler Well, UNC is a public school receiving state tax dollars. The state legislature is already meddling in the realignment business of NC schools so I'm certain they'd want to weigh in here. But to your point, yes, I think this is a waste of time when there's no financial difference between the two conference.
As a resident of North Carolina, I am totally against the state legislature getting involved. Let the schools and conferences settle this. we do not need the state government to get involved.
@@heartbreak25 I suspect that the B1G had considered UNC secured when/if it moved. It's recent swing towards the SEC would have materially affected its longer-term plans. For instance, this would explain why WASH/ORE were invited prematurely.
UNC is headed straight to the SEC. Virginia is headed to the B1G while FSU could go either way.
I'm hoping that the recent CLEMSON to B1G rumors means that UVA has dropped "never SEC" and will move with UNC.
I’m just gonna say it, UNC football stadium holds 50k. There games on TV bring less than 1M per week. They are a Big12 level team. Why would the SEC or BIG10 want that when plenty of better options were available in the Big12 and they passed.
UNC is a far bigger overall brand than any new BIG12 member. The biggest in the ACC.
Outside of the ACCN, below are the channels and viewership for UNC games last season. I suspect that UNC is on the higher end for the ACCN, though that data isn't available:
02 - ABC (USCAR, MIAMI)
06 - ACCN
03 - ESPN (MINN, CUSE, CLEM)
01 - CW (UVA)
vs.USCAR ~3.40M
vs.MINN ~1.58M
vs.CUSE ~0.99M
vs. MIAMI ~3.08M
vs. CLEMSON ~1.76M
vs. UVA ~0.79M
The UNC alumni base is also far more valuable per viewer than any new BIG12 team.
If you have a choice, you choose the SEC every time. Outside of OSU and Michigan, the Big10 is boring.
yea , Penn St , Washington , USC , Oregon are boring
Is this a joke post? No one inside the Big Ten believes this. Viewers dont believe this. That is why the Big Ten earned more TV $$$$
UNC is a very good academic school though. If academics come into play, they will choose the BIG.
LOL. Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, Washington, USC, revamped Nebraska and many more in a powerful second tier. You pick the B1G!
The MARYLAND fanbase now reeks of apathy in the B1G. Agree, the SEC is the better option for UNC.
UNC and…….. I just can’t decide. UNC for sure. Nobody from Big 12. ND…… I can’t see them playing nice. No Miami and their soccer stadium. Maybe UVA to keep it even. Says this BIG Ten fan.
Basketball-wise unc is way more big ten like. With msu. And the big ten is more a fit for unc.
??? UNC actually wins some times, unlike big ten basketball teams
@@stevemoserify Exactly, makes way more sense to be in the SEC. From an athletic standpoint, the SEC is the only option. From an academic standpoint, UNC is already AAU and would come into the SEC in a position of power and leadership. Too easy to see the better fit and option. The geography is simply the icing on the cake.
@@jansonroberts2616 Exactly. Far more synergies for UNC and the SEC. Both improve the other's weaknesses.
I don’t think the BIG would want to add a boat anchor to go along with UNC. They already have too many teams to be able to featherbed an NC State-no disrespect to NC State.
NC State is a cool team with one of the best mascots in college athletics. If UNC has to pay 10 million a year to NC State like UCLA has to with Cal, I think Big Ten would add them.
@tylerbrown2700 The University of California and The University of California Los Angeles are part of the same university system. While the University of North Carolin and North Carolina State University are different entities. The dynamics are totally different.
Say what? UNC is the boat anchor. They would be in the bottom of the B1G in viewership (behind mighty Rutgers) and either last or next to last in revenue generation. Ohio State generated $125m for the B1G last year, Michigan $107m. Nebraska generated over a $100m and they were terrible. UNC didn’t even generate $40m for the ACC. In every meaningful metric, UNC would be at the bottom of the B1G. If the B1G payout was $60m and UNC generated $35-40m, they would be a $20-25m a year boat anchor. A financial liability.
As for academics, the B1G rejected Cal and Stanford, two of the most academically elite schools in the country, for Oregon, who is now second from last in the B1G. Why? Because football is more important.
Facts matter.
@@lancelittrell369 I believe they are a part of the same system. The North Carolina Board of Governors has most of the power when it comes to relignment right now. The board has to consider UNC, NC State and the other public universities interest when they decide their next conference for UNC.
@@lancelittrell369 Not really - at one time there was a movement to rename NC State as "The University of North Carolina at Raleigh" - and that went over like a t**d - in - the - punchbowl with Wolfpackers.
I want UNC in the SEC now!
B1G is only adding 2 more teams tops, and 1 of them is going to be Notre Dame. Whether that other 1 is UNC, UVA, FSU, Stanford, Clemson, or anyone else, who knows🤷♀️