CNHL 9500 90C Lipo Battery Test & Review - Fastest Stock Sonicwake V2 On YouTube
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- CNHL 9500 90C Lipo Battery Test & Review - Fastest Stock Sonicwake V2 On TH-cam
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Here's the skinny: The C rating reflects the peak current (the flow capacity of the fuel lines pump etc. ). The mah rating reflects the total capacity (the gas tank size).
A drag boat would need a low mah (for low weight) and a high C rating.
A pleasure boat would need a high mah and not need a high C
Your speed boats need both. :)
Well said brother. Wish I could of put this tid-bit in the video. I'm gonna pin this comment. Thanks for the info brother layman's terms.
@@IRONCLADRC :)
@@IRONCLADRC also basically all batteries nowadays have bogus c ratings since they aren’t regulated. It makes it hard to compare batteries objectively when they can put whatever they want on the labels. Yes the higher c rated pack of the same brand will generally be a better quality battery but still neither of those spektrum batteries are hitting over 40-45c continuous. I guess what I mean to say is don’t judge lipos from different companies based off c rating alone.
@@garretm.9772 that's basically what I was trying to get at as well. Thanks you guys
Peak discharge rate is a multiple of the mah and the C rating. In this case, a 9500 mah 90 C pack can theoretically discharge at 855 amps. A 5000 mah 100 C pack can do 500 amps. That’s why the bigger pack with a slightly smaller C rating should still outperform a smaller pack with a higher C rating.
The actual discharge rates are usually quite a bit different than what the manufacturer’s C ratings will have you believe, but this is how the math is supposed to work.
Man you just continue to share the knowledge in an entertaining way... another really useful video Big B 👍
With battery technology (not just LiPos) moving forward at a pace, it's difficult to keep up to date with things in the RC world. So again, this has been really useful... thanks for sharing.
I like the fact that you use 'simple' terminology to explain things. I always think of the C rating as a turbo charger. The battery has the fuel (current and voltage) but the speed at which the battery can pass that fuel to the motor is the C rating. Remembering that batteries don't 'push' the fuel to the motor, it's down to the motor to demand the fuel. But higher C rating means that it can deliver when the motor demands it. Heck that sounds like tech speak!
Other important consideration is the lifetime recharge capability of the battery. Some 'cheaper' LiPos may offer high mAh and C rate, but burn out quicker than better quality batteries.
Overall, batteries are just another variable in the RC boat world. So many variables... which is why having someone like you to tinker, test and tune is so valuable. 😉👊
Thanks for the info brother definitely appreciate it.
Love your energy! Love your channel.
Ripping , awesome that you hit 66mph! That pack is beastly !
Yes sir buddy
Great vid. You've got a zillion likes by now ! Earned big time.
I've noticed a slight change in spectarors........
Got my V2 last week, I'm running Gens Bashing 8000mah 3s 100c's. On my 3rd run ended up melting the solder on the ic5 connectors, resoldered and everything seems fine. This boat hauls ass! I like your passion for the hobby, great videos and keep up the good work.👍🍻
Thanks man glad you enjoy the content. I actually had a solder come loose on my ic5 jumper ( home made jumper) no issues since. Build it ironclad
@@IRONCLADRC I seen that in one of your videos and when my boat cut out unexpectedly I had an idea that might of happened to me. From what I could tell it was just a bad solder, wire came clean out. Maybe it was from the vibration because it wasn't that hot, I'm in Canada so the water I'm running is about 45°f.
I was considering getting the bashing batteries for my V2 boat. What is your average top speed with those batteries?? And should I be concerned with the melting connectors?? Haha thanks
Bad ass boat man love your videos
Great video thanks for the info 👍
@IRONCLAD RC - thanks for the video.. Either way, I never run hard packs only soft packs in my RC boats..
Yea man I'm the same I prefer soft packs over a hard pack any day
Great job man!! I’ve been using CNHL Batteries for a couple years, and they are very impressive packs for the price! Mostly on my SAB 700, and 770 size helicopters, which beat the S out of packs, and have no complaints really! Great video my friend!! 👍🏼👍🏼
My first cnhl lipos were 450mah 70c for my micro outrigger, those little batterys impressed the heck out of me so I had to get the big boys.
@@IRONCLADRC Absolutely!! Great value!! Awesome job my friend!! Keep up the great work!! 👍🏼
Hey Big B im fairly new to your channel and I really like the content that you put out keep up the great info and content
Good vid! Was watching some of your past vids and didnt know about the common turtle love lmao
Haha love hate for sure.
I've been a CHL battery user for almost 2 years, it's all I use. Is cool too see some of their other batteries cuz I only use the g-Plus for surfactant aircraft
I just got a v1 Sonicwake and on single 4s cnhl 5600 120c packs I got 5 minutes runtime. I have a set of 8000 3s packs to run 6s and haven’t tested them yet but my cnhl packs seem to be descent quality for the price.
Also a tip all of my buddies do with our batteries, zip tie around the balance wires to “even” out the pressure on the wires, we do it on all our packs before running them. Great video
Yea man 5 min is a decent runtime with a 5600. 5 minutes is really all you need for a boat, especially in the warmer months.
Wish you'd updated us
@@michaelvoorhees5978 funny, lost the 2 8000 packs in a crash with the boat. Flipped at about 55 and the hull split almost in 2 at the seam. They did warranty the boat so now I have a v2 but don’t really run it much anymore. Actually only ran it maybe 5 times maybe….
Thanks for the video Big "B"! Those CNHL batts are getting popular with the speed run guys. The 100c packs have been proven to speeds well over 150 mph. It looks like you've proven them to be effective by posting a smoking fast PB. I plan to order up a couple packs soon. And yes, higher mAh batteries will can handle more amps than comparable batteries with less mAh. Not sure why - must be some kind of voodoo :) Cheers brotha!
No problem brother glad you liked the video. Thanks for all the support
A 4000 mah when full charge at 4.2v per cell will take a discharge of 700mah to drop to 4v per cell. On the other handle a 9000 mah when full charge might take 1500 mah discharge to fall to 4v per cell.
What this means is the 9000 will offer a higher voltage at the same ampdraw while being discharged. Resulting in more power to the motor.
I always enjoy watching your videos. I can hear your having fun and a little frustration at times, which is all part of this wonderful hobby. l have not seen a twin motor boat (yet) in your fleet , any future plans for one .
Saving up for a tfl genesis or a GEICO twin, or I may build a custom twin motor single shaft mono? 🤷♂️
@@IRONCLADRC I understand the saving up for a twin. I bought 2 wrecked 36 inch gieco cats real cheap . Then repaired the smashed bows. Really easy to do for someone with your building skills and $aved lots. The repair process would probably make a great video.
@@5chevygeoff one of those might have been mine. Not reallly I fixed my bow before I sold it
I run mainly CHNL G+ and HRB USA lipos. Great run times and power for both. For longer run times I'll run the smaller mah packs in parallel ie. 2 3800mah packs in parallel for total of 7600mah
What running time are you getting with that setup?
Another note about C-Rating that I don't think anyone has brought up has to do with reliability. I believe if you run a low-C rated battery in a boat (lower discharge than the peak current the boat's ESC wants to pull), then you stress that battery. Heat builds up, affecting internal resistance to go up, causing more heat. Eventually you damage the battery - one potential cause of swelling.
your welcome keep it up
5000mah 100C = 500A
9000mah 100C = 900A
Larger mah pack will have less voltage sag under high load.
Great video B!
Well said bro
some lipos have false claims on the c rating but cnhl are genuine rating. I always run the cnhl lipos in my boats both the 90c and 70c .the 70c g plus has a better chemistry and are the best for speed runs .many top speed runners use the 70 g+ plus . I highly recommend them and so do many other in the know . keep up the good work big b
Man I appreciate it. I enjoy watching you and your sons boat videos. Your son seems To be into the boating he's got knowledge about the boats that's awesome keep'em coming
I finally got my hands on one of these CNHL 9500 90C Li-Po packs. My god this thing is heavy - over 2 freaking pounds and it barely fits in my Sonicwake V1. No room to move the pack around to adjust CG. Fortunately, all 6 cells arrived at approximately 3.84 volts, and the balance lead wires are all equal length unlike your pack. I paid $149 on Amazon and the pack came with a QS8 connector. I use XT-150 connectors on all my high power boats (and cars) so I made an adaptor to go from QS8 to XT-150 using 10 gauge wire (yes this is a downgrade, but I didn't want swap the connectors on all my packs to QS8). I wasn't about to try to solder connectors on the huge 8 gauge wires either so I settled on an adaptor. The first run she hit 56 mph with a very mild 4514 CNC prop and she was running wet. After a few tweaks I got her up to 59 mph which is a PB for me. I ran the boat for an entire 10 min, but I brought it back to shore every few minutes to check temps. Things got a little hot, but nothing out of the ordinary. The pack still had over 20% remaining battery life too. I'm really happy with this pack, and I was even more stoked that it fit in my Arrma Limitless, so I have more than one vehicle to use it with. Cheers!
It's a giant pack for sure. You may consider carving out a section of the foam so you can push the battery forward sme more. I've seen some photos online of guys doing that to the v1 on my v2 I run that pack all the way forward.
The 9500 chinalines are great battery's !! I run them in my 140 mph tlr typhon speed run buggy
Don't forget C rating is multiplied by the mAh for amp draw rating.
I've seen several vids with 100C CNHL batteries making cars faster so it's a brand I trust now but dammit the one's I wanted weren't available.
Somehow I found GXFpower and bought a pair of 100C 4 cell for my Losi SBR 2.0 and yes much better than the gens ace 50C pair that came with the car.
But I have yet to test them fully before I buy more GXF but at 100 euro a pair I don't call them cheap but I hope they are good and affordable like the CNHL brand.
Wow
Nice pb congrats , where does a guy find the 1717 prop? Keep up the great videos I have learned alot for you B!!!! Thank you!
Offshoreelectrics.com. abc 1717. But I don't recommend that prop for the v2 my Temps were 190 degrees after a couple runs
would love to see these tested. Spektrum 11.1V 14000mAh 3S 120C Smart G2
CNHL lipos work very well. I use them for drag racing also.
unfortunately C rating isn't regulated and there is a few ways to calculate it. So people will put about anything on a sticker. CMHL seems about close to what it should be.
The MAH of the lipo gets calculated into the C rating of the pack. So a larger MAH, it may bring up the C rating. Theres other ways to build packs to have the highest C rating. Usually a bunch of small packs in parallel.
For the same battery chemistry the C rating goes down as capacity increases.
for example both these batteries are the same other than one being 2x the size:
Turnigy 10000mAh 4S 12C
Turnigy 5000mAh 4S 25C
Big batteries with High C ratings is a red flag but nearly every manufacture does it. a CNHL 9500 90C as labeled should in theory be able to discharge 855 Amps till the battery is dead. taking only 40 seconds to discharge. Not possible, it would explode if the label was true.
So far I really like the cnhl battery. It's a little heavy for my boat. Thanks for the info guys. 👍
Congratulations bro on the new speed record! What ABC prop did you use on that first run that you hit 66mph with?
1716
So great video as always bro. I learned the difference of a big heavy battery quickly in my SonicWake. Way more power, way more speed, way more weight. So when your boat goes quicker and faster and weighs more the wrecks are bigger and more violent. Example : I have tailwhipped the SonicWake many times but it wasn’t until I tried a 10000mah 130c Gens ace 6s lipo that I found out that the prop could touch the rudder. I should of had the battery slid to the front, live and learn. Boat gang, 66 mph that is fantastic dude
I know right I thought about you and your misshapen while I was buckling the battery's into place. That was a bummer for sure, but like you said it was a learning experience. Thanks for watching
@@IRONCLADRC you are very welcome bro. Your videos are always a bright spot in my day. How often can you learn something and be entertained? Come on, It’s like dinner and a show
@@IRONCLADRC damn if it weren’t fast with that brick in it though. It had never screamed like that before
I did that on 5200 4s, barely 40 mph. Thats how I found out Traxxas Spartan rudders are identical and bolt right up, lol.
I'm picking up my blackjack 42 on the first of September 1st birthday present for me. I have some Gen Ace 6800mah 4s packs for it and I can't wait to get it out on the water!!! My son has a blackjack 24 running on 3s stock motor and ESC what prop would you try on the blackjack 24 and needs to be good out of the hole and not a lot of top end speed? My son has special needs but love's to go out and Rc just need a good prop for it that will pop it up on plane but not be all that fast can you suggest a prop? Love your channel and all the fun things like propping wheelies
Tfl 440 or tfl 438 are great props for the bj24
B what are the things you have wrapped around the batteries? Is it so batteries don't slip? If so I need some lol can you share where to buy ? Thanks again for such great learning videos , love the prop and battery videos!!!!
There from a preschool, foam building blocks lol. I stripped them out on my table saw for battery hold downs. Alot of guys use the hard foam blocks that come in packages, packaging material.. don't have a link sorry
I've been running hovoo 9200 130c in v2 sonicwake , lots of fun good run times, but I'm not out to get top speed but it's no issues with anything, temps are fine but my cooling set isn't stock, I use brushless water pumps in my boats all stock running gear never is hot. Flow is the key , also run 8000 , also run 15000 they work fine but at the point of almost too heavy. I don't own any 5000 may buy some.
Good info brother thanks. I'd imagine that a 15000 would be on the edge for sure. I was afraid the 9500 would be to heavy, but once again I was surprised by the outcome. Always fun to see results from boat to boat battery to battery. Thanks for watching
@@IRONCLADRC yes sir my dive into electric is ehh but im liking it. yea 15000 fit and run fine , but the 9500 performed well , speed run no but good run time and fun. if i had interwebs at home id post some serious sonic wake bashing, first thing you do is throw away there cheap weak collet . that thing is junk. 2 runs slipping , people soldering cable why its the junk collet .and try a water pump you won't burn up esc ever, constant flow , stock form no wonder esc's are burning up, no flow hardly at all , extend the life of your wallet use a pump, brushless amazon 10 bucks use 2s 1200 runs for hrs
@@MrBumbles2 what's the name of the pump?
Great info, thanks . Hey, I found that Low voltage alarm your using to check voltage can be really unreliable. I used to use them in my airplanes. Now I use the Spektrum XBC100 smart checker. Just an awesome tool to have as it does a lot more than check your battery's voltage.
Thanks brother I've been looking good at the spectrum checker lots of options there. Thanks for sharing
Yes, what Eben and Garret say below. Eban has the C and mah relationships 100% correct and makes a good analogy. Batteries aren't regulated, so what's printed on the outside is more advertising hype than science in many instances. I would be more inclined to believe what I read on a "Big Name" brand battery than some that are labeled as "Brand X". Griso has it right on voltage sag.
I liked hearing your spectators; when the woman asked "What website" you should have sent her to Horizon Hobbies..... 😉
Yep I sent her to horizon hobby just after I checked gps.
@@IRONCLADRC Granted, it's a big boat and therefor a considerable investment, but I can think of no better choice for a newbie than that V2. If you think you are going to stick with the hobby, that boat can grow right along with a newbie's experience level. I'm glad to see you giving the locals a good show and good advice to boot.
And Conga Rats on the new PB!
I agree it's definitely an investment that's what I was telling the lady's off camera, it's not just the boat you have to get you also have to invest in battery's, battery charger, accessories, etc. Thanks for all the support doc I appreciate all you've done to help me along this quest for rc boat bliss. Hope to see a video soon. Boat gang for life. 😆
@@IRONCLADRC I've had so many other things on my plate, I haven't had time for a boat video. Fear not though, I'll have one up soon. Probably the finish work for Prototype 2 for the 12" Challenge. Boat Gang!
The cnhl 70c packs are good also
I was on the fence with the 70c or 90c. Thanks for the heads up brother
The original esc took a crap so I put the 160? Amp one anyway I got my replacement from horizon hobby warranty I may just go back stock but before it cramped out on 6s it would power cut on me were as the upgraded spectrum esc has had zero isues.peace
Alright Big B, got the etti coupler yesterday from ofshoreelectrics that you recommended. Any tips on tightening the coupler upto the cable to the tension? It's seemed last nite like I could of kept tightening and tightening it.
Was your old collet slipping? If it was slipping in the old collet there will be wear on the shaft, if there's wear on the shaft it's not gonna fit as snug as you'd like it to fit. You can prep the flex cable and dip it in hot solder to help with grip
Hi, yes the old collet was slipping, so I replaced the collet and shaft. I'm just not sure on how tight to go when tightening up the new collet.
Is there any tips or tricks for tightening up the collet to the correct tightness without over doing it?
Wondering if you have any recommendations on maintaining the self-righting with an upgraded/heavier ESC, and larger, heavier batteries?
I moved my speed control more towards the center of the boat, use a piece of CARBONFIBER or 3d print a mounting plate, and or some thin aluminum to centralize the esc.
Guys have also used small weights glued into the flood chamber to aid self-righting
little too big for my 16" charger. But i will keep them in mind.
It's 7 inches long gigantic lipo
What are your thoughts on the China Hobby Ln., Pack after running it.
I say go for it great battery for speed runs
friend, which battery lasts longer with a charge?, mine runs out quickly
What about graphene lipoHRB 100C 5000mah batteries they say no more 4.2 v charge per cell and not under 3.8v discharge it is possible to keep this numbers anyone have experience with graphene?
Definitely got to be faster than Adrenaline
So the conclusion is it helps to put a very large lipo in it? That ways up in extra speed even it is heavier?
Yes and no. I still like the lighter weight battery's I like the way the boat handles with the 5000 100c, lighter boat handles better. Personal preference really theres no right or wrong. To be honest with ya im only gonna run the 9500 for speed runs.
Stupid of me to ask but I'm no other sure what set of wires to put the jump wire on and battery side if it even matters,? Just got a 6s g2 smart lipo, peace
There's 2 sets of plugs (ic5) coming from the esc, one plug goes to the battery and the other gets the jumper plug for single 6s battery operation. Dual battery operation you use both plugs for 3sx2=6s
Hey B a video came up that you hit 66 with your sonic but said it was private and wouldn't let me see it ? Like to see it brother . 😊
It was scheduled for tomorrow. It's the same as this video but the short version. I apologize it will be up tomorrow.th-cam.com/video/lG7Kzzu42IY/w-d-xo.html
Hey man, cool run considering the wind! Can you connect two batteries of different voltage like a 14.8 and a 7.4 together? How much voltage can I put into a stock SR80?
There's quite a few guys that run 3s & 2s batteries together for 5s operation make sure mah and c ratings are the same. If I'm not mistaken the sr80 pro is a 4s boat stock.
@@IRONCLADRC Thanks!
Yes sir buddy!
@@IRONCLADRC Dude!....I just ran it in with 14.8 and a 7.4 5000mah and it screamed! The stock 60amp esc took it like a champ and nothing got hot. What the hell? I need a cnc prop. It hit some trees in the lake from all the flooding here in California. It was 66 degrees today and sunny as all hell! 🙏♥️. I'm so glad to get some run time in before the next cyclone hits. 😬
Have you tried the zeee 5500mah 3s 120c batteries?
I've tried the zee 6000 100c 4s twins in my blackjack 42. There definitely a good choice
Hey bro is there a link for that aluminum prop strut part on the back , is it worth it? I'm going through the sonic wake videos trying to take it all in haha just got mime it's my first boat need to learn a lot haha
This is the direct bolt on tfl adapter plate link
www.madlizardproducts.com/
You'll also need this stinger www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=tfl-503b72
And now do you see why I run the big batts my man??!! The weight isn’t hurting the speeds
I want to see you run big batteries in your blackjack 42, you’ll bust your personal best easily
Yep your right about the speed That's for sure. But the handling ehhhh. I still like the light packs. thanks for swaddling me into a larger packs 👊 You da man
@@IRONCLADRC haha I do agree if trying to run laps and need it to be nimble light packs are the way to go on the mono hulls. But really and truly now that I have my batteries way back on the blackjack42 it handles exactly like light packa
You bewdy!! 66!! Greased lightning right there!! Wow good seeing what that high mah battery can do. Thats proof right there!! It works! Now I have to plead with the purchasing police (my beautiful wife) to buy one. Gonna say Big B’s wife let him buy one, so I can too!! C’mon! Hahaha..let you know how I go😬
Me and my beautiful wife GOT A KICK OUT OF THIS ONE 😆 ( please please with sugar on top. A few fresh cut flowers definitely helps) 🌼
Yes sir the old marriage currency is alive and well!! Shout out Mrs Big B! Full out respect, thank you for supporting this man as you do ( we all appreciate it). PS mental note use flowers and chocolate..haha..got it!!💐🚤
oh ok
Hey I bought one of these boats a week ago the first time I ran it, it smoked what would cause that? I was running two 3s 5000 mah smart spectrum batteries
If the collet is loose on the flex shaft it will cause smoke/steam. You may want to check the wires, and check the cooling lines going thru the back of the boat make sure the hole for the tube is large enough for proper water flow
speaking of battery's can you run. a single 3s pack on the v1 sonicwake ? I need to try something and I don't want to put 6s for this trial in case my issue returns from last season.
Yes sir you should be able to run 3s 4s & 6s. 3s isn't gonna be very spectacular, but for tuning purposes I'm pretty sure you'll be okay
@@IRONCLADRC thank you Big B I just wanna tune with that 3s then when it's good I will go back to my 6s
Does the single 6S keep the boat from self riting as some people say
No issues with self righting with the single 6s pack
@@IRONCLADRC thankyou
What kind of battery temps were you getting with stock electronics and prop? I took the sonicwake V2 out for it's second run yesterday. Outside temperature was 90 F. With a stock setup and a new 4s 100c 6000mah hardcase rc juice battery, I got 110s F on the motor, 130s F on the esc, which are within reason... But the battery is stupid hot.... 170 F ! The boat was all greased up, no binding. The only previous run was with a 100c 4s zee battery and that felt hot too, but i didn't have the temp gun to check it.
My battery Temps were around the 140's I believe I think I had a couple pacKS up to 160. Anything over 140 - 150 could potentially damage a lipo
Without changing props the only way your gonna bring those Temps down is to trim the boat up out the water. FEW TURNS ON THE TRIM TABS SHOULD DO IT, BASICALLY GET THE BOAT UP OUT THE WATER FOR A DRYER RIDE. less boat in the water = cooler Temps. You could also try moving CG (batterys) back in the boat.
@@IRONCLADRC thanks., Any prop suggestions to cool this thing down while working on trimming it out.? I don't care about it slowing down, i just don't want it all going up in flames.
have u tryed Liperior batteries
No sir I haven't
6 minutes? You mean full speed yes?
Oh yea basically full trigger 80% of the time ]p
How long it took to receive that Cnhl battery
Ordered mine from ebay, if I remember correctly only a few days delivered
So it'll handle 4s 120c in stock form?
Yes sir
What prop where you using when you got 66?
Abc props
@@IRONCLADRC do you know which model exactly
Always the last cell? Your balance checker is off. Double check with a real meter. :)
Roger that i will check with my multi meter. Thanks
@@IRONCLADRC :)
can i put this in a stealthwake?
No, the stealth wake has a brushed motor, you need a 2s battery with the stock setup, 3200mah 50c 2s 7.4v
Tell the lady to pipe down🤣
Lol, they were having a good time watching the boat.
@@IRONCLADRC sure..they all do.
I am not a newb
I never realized how rude ppl can be. I am not a newb. I have been doing this since 1973. I gave you the information on the battery and prop to try and help you. I'm out. Jeff, AKA 10 second Tom.
I hope I didn't offend you in some way? Or was it someone else? If it were me I apologize
Not you at all. You have great video's and are a wealth of knowledge. Thanks
Happy Boating, bye