exactly and always remember no camera is perfect... just the perfect camera for you, for what you need it and use it for... just get out there and shoot and enjoy.
What an asinine comment. I can't afford to buy all three, nor do I live in a country where I can return a product simply because I don't like it. That is why I rely on real world user experiences to make a determination.
The glass argument has become null and void. You can buy pro glass that is native on both systems. Even if you are a pro how many lenses are you really going to buy anyway. Sony now has G-series glass for every type of shooter. They also have the advantage of a variety of e-mount small and light lenses at a reasonable cost (something Nikon does not have and even accordinging to their own roadmap won't happen for at least a few more years at best). I get that you like Nikon, but the old native glass argument just doesn't carry any water anymore. It is true that if you have a Nikon lens collection and want to keep it, then you go with Nikon. But that is a no brainer. I just don't see the Z7 as a pro camera yet as with no duel card slots, the banding when you play with dynamic range, and no real improvement to jump from a D850, why would you. Especially with the crazy price of the Z7. If you are a new camera user you would be crazy not to go with Sony right now. Not only does it have better body stabilization, eye AF, duel card slots, and a ton of lens options to choose from, but Sony is by far the more aggressive company right and is developing tech and releasing it at a much faster clip. Rumor has it that they will be releasing a global shutter in 2019 which would be a game changer. Not to mention they will all be 8K video ready . No contest Sony is the forward thinking company, the most aggressive, and seem to listen to the customer the best right now.
A7rIII. Superb allround camera that is relatively easy to carry when you pair it with the many lighter primes. The Nikon D850 is a mature and very strong performer especially for stills, but is a brick by comparison. The Z7 is a very good first attempt at 35mm mirrorless but future generations will see Nikon improve on it's weaker points.
I had my a7r3 for a year, shot almost 30 weddings, love the camera and platform. After using the EYE AF and IBIS for a year, I could never buy a camera without them. The full frame 4k is OK, the crop 4k is top notch. I hate the Sony phone app, the port covers are cheap plastic, and the water sealing is terrible. I'm 100% happy moving from Canon, they are just so out of the race. The Nikon Z line is a great start, the next gen on both platforms should be great with the competition.
I don’t get why people keep bringing up the ftp adapter for Z. There’s an adapter for every camera. Nikon to canon, canon to Nikon, Nikon to Sony, Sony to Nikon canon to Sony Sony to canon... the ftp adapter doesn’t even have a motor, which means a load of Nikon d lenses are unusable in terms of af, while D85 can auto focus all f mounts. The lens option for z is serious limited. The only things you can choose are the hyper expensive z mounts and stylistically ill-fitted f mount. The f mount lens with adapter is ridiculously long, which defeats the small-size purpose of a mirror less.
I do agree.... BUT the Sony LA-EA3 adaptor allows it to use all the native Sony a-mount glass, and now with the latest firmware update I find no penalty using Sony A-Mount.... just saying, I know it doesn't change the result
If we arent picking based on which system of lens we already own... I would choose the A7R3. It has better auto focusing because of its eye AF and more native lens than the Z7 and I like its body size. I personally had hoped the Z series would have been F mount, ever since its announcement I've felt more free to check out the competition. If the F mount is dying there is no need for me to waste time mourning its death.
I have 10 high speed SD cards that i use all the time. total price: ~$250 if you converted that to xqd cards, price would be ~$2,000.00 = Deal breaker. Also, sony's non-weather sealing = deal breaker, also, nikon d850 shitty video focusing and size = deal breaker. looks like i will stick with my d750 until an actual good camera comes out.
23:09: you can also charge via microUSB, not just USB-C. You can even use either one of the USBs for tethering and the other one for charging/powering at the same time.
I already have the D850 and it's a beast. For video I would like to have a second camera, like the Z6. I already have 6 Nikon lenses and the Z7 doesn´t make much of a difference. I would wait and go mirrorless for stills in 2020.
I changed my D750 to D850 because of quality and a lot of professional functions in the body. I know the mirror less is future but Z7 its not good enough in my opinion. Z7 and Z6 is 1st generation of mirror less Z mount cameras from Nikon. Watching sony improvement over this years, I hope that Nikon next generations cameras will be better and probably my next choice.
how can you give edge to Z7 in terms of lenses? There are three native lenses. Using adapter DOES NOT mean Native and if you are seriously counting that then Sony can use most of Canon lenses as well as A-mount. Not to mention other adapter like M-mount TAP, that gives you AF.
Good analysis and coverage of many features to use for criteria. In my opinion, one other criteria to consider is what brand most of your photography club or group is using. In my case, I have an inventory of Nikon lenses, prefer the Nikon camera's feel, am familiar with the Nikon menus, and do photo shoots with club members who are primarily Nikon users ... so, a no brainer. I now have a Z7. Agree though, that you can't go wrong with any of the three choices.
As a Nikon shooter I have to admit, I love the "beefier" camera. May not be as good as the Z 7 but as a guy with big hands and doesn't care about video the D850 is my choice (which I hope to buy next year).
2023 and I’m waiting for my D850 to come as i have the om-1 with all the great lenses they offer the D850 will be for landscapes and portraits I don’t do video with any of my cameras as i have a video camcorder that does that job
Jared failed in this review to emphasize which is the most ALL ROUNDED camera, which is the Sony A7RIII with the only reservation that you got to make sure you are happy with the glass available. I cannot understand how such a critical way of looking at a camera is getting so overlooked in current reviews. D850 does not compete in video well, Z7 lacks performance and single card slot, A7RIII does everything really well with no major shortcomings.
I went with the Sony A7RII and here's the reason I did. I took a 4 to 5 year hiatus from photography, but before that I was shooting with a Nikon D80. A somewhat beginner camera for photography, but it was still capable of taking good pictures. I think I had one nice lens for the Nikon, so switching over to the Sony A7RIII wasn't a deal breaker for me when it came to lenses. The funny thing is I almost went with the Nikon Z7 camera and actually pre-ordered the camera, but after doing some more research I cancelled the order and went with the Sony A7R III. Six months later I purchased the Sony A9 camera. I have small hands so the Sony cameras feel good in my hand and I'm not to turned off with the touchscreen on the Sony cameras. I just love how the pictures/ videos that come out of these Sony cameras and I love mirrorless where I don't have chimp to see what the picture is going to look like. Before anyone says that I have money, I'm not rich; however, I plan on keeping these cameras for a long time (I hope and want to put them to good use. I think if I had a lot of Nikon glass I probably would had gone with the Nikon D850 first then eventually gone with the Nikon Z7. I don't think anyone can go wrong with any of theses cameras and it just depends what features that you are personally going for that makes the decision in what camera to buy.
I think Sony has already released the glass you definitely need. So bashing Sony for not having enough glass is a bit outdated. When talking about adapting you could easily use the old Sony A-Mount lenses. I also agree with you, that Nikon has definitely more of the good glass out. I'm working with Sony after my first Nikon and I don't regret it. Got the Sigma Art Lenses and the phenomenal 70-200GM and I don't know yet what I can't shoot with this combination.
As a fast action wildlife photographer l don't see any EVF camera that can equal a DSLR TTL anytime soon. Throw in battery life and the mirror lock up option with the D850 for time-lapse l don't see the need for mirrorless. Hopefully someday the dense minded will realize, mirrorless doesn't take better pics because the mirror is missing.
The A9 is pretty spanky for wildlife. No blackout shooting, 20 fps and incredible af are phenomenal for bif especially. Time lapse is still possible although maybe done differently. I don't like the A7III compared to the D850 because I think they're on slightly different levels (D850 above it).
I was a die hard Nikon fan, moved to the Sony A7II then the A7RII, and I just can't stand the Sony Menu's, buttons, and ergonomics. No matter how much I force myself, I just don't like it. I want to go back to the Nikon and get a D850. The Nikon was just so intuitive and easy to shoot with; not so much with the Sony. The question is whether I should forgo D850 and get a Z7? I just can't decide. I only have 1 Nikon F lens and two Sony lenses, so I'm not really invested all that much in either platform.
Hi Jared, I know just about every one is blaming the Z7 / Z6 and saying that that Song A7iii is so much better. I would love to see a fist generation Sony A7 ver a Nikon Z7 just to see how they compare. Sill watch and love your content. You and your team have an amazing 2019. Just as an answer to your question I have a D850 and it is a great tool for what I shot with it. But I do have a lot of Nikon lenses, I also have an X1D that to is an amazing camera the nice camera in the hand but not the fastest but a delight to use and the results are stunning.
To me it's not even About Specs. I switched from Nikon to Sony because Sony kept improving their cameras with every new iteration! Nikon was behind the times. Sony actually listens to consumers and They are active on social media heavy. Sony has 12-200mm g master lenses and Sigma lenses are Amazing. The battery life improvement Just made it perfect. I shoot with a A7rii right now I switched from a D750 to a A7 mark I and shot it for years.
Its not 'Beat a dead horse' anymore. PETA said its 'Feed a fed horse'. Which makes absolutely no sense because if PETA cared about animals, they wouldn't overfeed a horse potentially making it dead.
For your question, Sony A7RIII. D850 is great but once you get used to mirrorless... I tried the Z7 and didn't like it much. Not much glass out there yet for the Z cameras.
@Love made in Japan it is called sarcasm, Nikon currently only has a few native mirrorless lenes while Sony has several both by Sony and the rest by Zeiss along with an excellent Tamron 28-75. The Sigma art lens are great for stills and decent for video. Would you rather buy the Z with only a handful of lenses or the Sony with lenses for every situation that you do not have to adapt to old DSLR glass?
Been shooting film since 1973 and FINALLY am converting to digital. A7Riii too damn small for me. Z7 is better ergonomically. D850 is great but the heftiest one. Currently in brain-lock. It'll be a Z7 or D850 but I am leaning towards embracing the future. My decision will probably go down to the wire. They are all great cameras but the Sony just doesn't feel good in my hands. All my research & pondering is hurting my brain! You didn't mention the Nikons essentially automated focus stacking (what they call focus shifting). I would definitely use that for landscape! I'm not a vidnut so that part is not as important to me so I could still lean toward the D850 but then again, there's the future! Decisions, decisions...
Sony needs the rrs grip and extended eye cup and it's the most comfortable camera ever. Still light but all your fingers have room. Photographers don't shoot stock cameras. We pimp that shit. Let's see a review of camera accessories a photographer would use in the real world. I would love for you to play with my Sony as I have it set up. I think you may change your mind on it feeling like shit. When I first got the Sony I didn't like the ergonomics but I did like the small size.
Great and informative comparison Jared! Very fair although there is a time or two where I don’t think you give Sony enough credit (ex: 1-price comparison, 2-glass: Sony has more actual mirrorless lenses than the others). Thanks for the great content and Happy New Year!
You know what I mean. Lenses that are designed for use only on a mirrorless camera. Their motor systems are optimally designed for working with mirrorless camera focusing systems. Being that Sony has been in the game longer, they have a much wider selection of these truly native lenses than the handful that Canon and Nikon have.
12.7.2019 - battery grip for D850 is free!; Adapter for Z7 is free! both quality better than sony.... for me, Z7 seems tempting... but only lens worth buy is the 24-70 f/2.8 S - Noct is awesome, but not at $8000 for 58mm only; and the rest are a waste of money.
So Jared, what is wrong? The Nikon got an excellent review of its autofocusing. It was compared to the Sony A73 and the A7R3. It lost slightly to the A73 but beat the A7R3 in a test running and walking toward the camera. It beat the A7R3 in at least 3 tests that in reviewed here on TH-cam. Maybe the Nikon got a firmware update. I don't know. But i'm asking because I thought of switching to Sony but I'm heavily invested in Nikon. Your thoughts please
@@froknowsphoto Maybe not in the US, but Konica Minolta was a big thing in Europe and Japan. And they had and HAVE a good lens line-up. The best thing is, you get those now for not much money. But to say, there is no native glas is just wrong. I know people adapting A-Mount lenses to their E-Mount Sonys, just because the lenses are so cheap to get. There is still no cheaper option to lenses like a 70-300mm or a 70-200mm F2.8 in the E-Mount lens line up, but you get them new or used for the A-Mount, so please don't say "for god sake". I can say the same when you say, but think about all the F-Mount lenses you can adapt to the Z7, when you step new into the Nikon Z. Just say it, like it is. It might be a dead system today, but that is also the future for the F-Mount.
If you are into Sony, i suggest, if you can afford it, the SIGMA Art 24-70mm F/2.8 DG DN, lens for all around shooting, I mainly use it on my A7RIII rig, but also on my older A7II as well. excellent lens,
Thumbs WAY DOWN for choosing a useless pixel shift thing over the best timelapse camera ever in the D850. The Sony doesn't even have a Time-lapse feature for fucks sake!! Ridiculous.
i have a d3300 and interested in sony a7iii also in z6. I like their lightness but cant completely decide which one between the two. I only like 35mm, 50mm and 85mm lenses. can venture for more zoom but these are my preferred.
Hi, thank you for your honestly post! I want to buy the D850 after my D750, but the size and wight and no EVF had me switch to A7R3. When the Z7 had 2 Card Slots i would buy it. But for now, Sony is the best - NO REGRETS!
I just sold my A7RIII and Canon glass and switched to a D850... best decision ever. Loved the A7RIII but if you're a landscape shooter, you gotta worry about weather sealing, and I will say that Sony glass is just way too expensive and still limited. So happy to have a bunch of lens options. The only thing I miss is the EVF and video but by the time a next generation Nikon mirrorless comes out I will probably make the switch.
I totally agree with your decision and have also bought the D 850. For me the perfect camera for the next 2-3 years. Then you can see how the Z-series has developed.
A7R3 - because I do not believe the existing Nikon F-glass is up to the task of high resolution imaging... and I have an A7R2 now so the upgrade makes sense to me.
can you hold the sony one handed vertically and shoot comfortably? if you tried it... let me know please. 2 days ago i shot a tiger in the zoo that way. it was the only possible way cause i had to shoot between cage bars
There is nothing such as the perfect camera. Every camera has downsides. But everything comes down to the lens. Gmaster and Zeiss lineup are the sharpest lenses in the market. It's expensive but hey you can't go wrong with them. Being a Nikon user I fed up with a lot of bugs and heating issues in Nikon body. Nikon glasses are cheap compared to sony and they don't compete
Excellent comparison, Jared, except I missed the section on image quality! As a landscape and product STILLS X-T3 shooter (no video), I have been debating on selling my Fuji kit (reluctantly), and moving into FF, specifically the Sony a7Rlll and lenses like the Sony 16-35 f/2.8 GM, and the 90mm f/2.8 G Macro . Since I shoot 99% tripod-mounted, neither IBIS nor video interests me. So, my question is, for large print output (around 24"x 36" prints), how much of an improvement in terms of image sharpness, detail rendition, dynamic range, base ISO performance, etc., would I see over the already excellent X-T3 (combined with the ultra-sharp Fujinon XF80mm f/2.8 Macro lens), when using the a7Rlll and the Sony 90mm f/2.8 G Macro lens tripod-mounted? Also, another reviewer mentioned that the Sony cameras have an issue with sensor dust. Do you find that as well?
I got the Z6 last year and it works great, love the buttons and menu system. Image quality on Zmounts is excellent BUT Sony has way more native lenses, superior focusing and a better ecosystem IMO. I own 1 F mount lens and nothing else. I’m considering jumping to Sony A7Riii (maybe a7Riv) or upgrading to the Z7 and sticking with Nikon for the long game. It’s a tough choice! Jared makes the choice easier yet harder at the same time lol
The camera I'm going to upgrade to is not on your list which is understandable since very few use the system, I'll be upgrading my Sigma SLR for the newly announced L-Mount Sigma FF some time this year, but I'm a little crazy.
Hey Jared, nice video. I want to ask a question to you or to anyone willing to answer. I used to be a huge fan of DSLRs, believing that a bigger camera will get you better results, for the price. The Z series made me completely change my mind! Although I don't have a problem with weight/size, I don't see the point of going DSLR anymore.. The new Z mount made all the budget DSLR options like the D3500/D5600 seem less appealing, and in fact antiquated! What is the advantage of huge DSLRs nowadays? I don't care much for the optical viewfinder (which is flawed in many ways especially in crop sensors) and USB charging is a huge feature for me. Thanks in advance.
there is no perfect camera. the camera that is best for you is what it can do for your needs. buying a big dslr bc you think its better doesnt make any sense. for me, i use crop sensors for wildlife photography bc of that extra zoom i get so i can take pics of my subject from far away. for portraits, i use full frame for the better depth of field and image detail. i dont use mirrorless bc my cams already do what i need it to do. silent shooting is why some people move to mirrorless but do i need it? no. but for some people they do. at the end of the day, what camera you get regardless if its a dslr or mirrorless make sure you get it bc it fits what you need it to do.
You keep talking as if the FTZ adapter is close to perfect. It's not, even for native glass. And a lot of us own some 3rd party glass too that may or may not work. Matt Granger has done some testing. Today I'd buy the D850 if I wasn't interested in video. Sometime in the next few years the mirrorless options will in fact be better, but gen 1 always sucks for Nikon. In any case for Christmas I just upgraded my wife's camera from D90 and went for the D7200 body only which was selling for AUD760 after cashback in AUS (USD 535, which is awesome since we're always slugged with higher prices here). The price for full frame and the new focus on high end cameras is ridiculous for the amateur market. In case you think I'm being cheap to my wife, that's what I shoot too.
@@attilahardy3448 Bingo. Unless you're rich, buy on closeout for camera bodies if you can wait. You'll get a good 30%-50% off the retail price at launch and your money will go further. For lenses wait a year or so after launch and buy during a sale.
I just sold one of my D750 and bought the D850 at the great price of $2,800 with the grip. The Z7 was $100 cheaper with the adapter. Now looking at that video, I’m wondering if I haven’t done a mistake and should have bought the Z7 instead. Comments/Advices?
I would get the a7r3 because of the price and i have a lot of Canon glass and the functionality of most adapters is since firmware 2.10 is for photo the same as native e mount, video however is still not well with an adapter
Here in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Z7 is 1000$ expensive than d850. Maybe due to limited body. In 2019 i am planning to get d810 and a7rii or any comes with good price later.
I went with the Sony A7RIII before the Nikon came out, but I was already using Sony and those are the lenses I had. (Still using the crop-sensor lenses until I can afford to buy new glass.)
Jared, it's a proven fact now that the A7-III and Nikon Z6 use the exact same Sony IMX410 image sensor so the raw output should be identical. (Thank you TechInsights X-ray machine and electron microscopes!) Jpg processing could be different. As for the Sony XQD card socket? This might have been a condition placed by Sony on the Nikon/Sony sensor contract of sale. Lumix S1?....will it also have the same IMX410? Who knows? We do know it also has an Sony XQD card socket. Hmmmmm......
@@bioptimization fuji medium format and APSC but after 4 months I kinda regret it because I miss how the nikons work. I do like Sonys for some stuff but I should habe bought a d850 instead of the gfx s
When in doubt, nothing beats a DSLR. I love my Nikon Z7. Why? Its IBIS is top notch and I can adapt my Leica glass but I found that Zeiss ZM mount resolves better. Bought two lenses from Sigma - 105/1.4 and their new 40/1.4. The new 40mm is Otus sharp!!! Best Sigma lens so far!!! I rarely pick up my D850 but I found the D850's AF is still superior for sports.
I just got an A7III and I love it. It's fantastic. I'd love to pick up an RIII. I want to play with that Pixel Shift thing. Looks REALLY cool and the results are AMAZING. Hell, I might even pick up an A7RII. You can get them STUPID cheap on eBay...I've seen them go for ~1,200-1,300 bucks with batteries and other doodads. That's a TON of camera for the money.
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You get to pick one of these three, which do you take and why???
I'dont have money.... LOL
Not Z7 thats for sure
I have D850 and I would like to switch to Nikon Z7...but I think it’s too early. I will wait to see the new version of Z7 next year
heavy nikon bias in this vid lol, a7riii is the easy pick
Fujifilm X-T3 🙌🏻 bye, bye. Nikon sucks 😇
You can’t go wrong with any of these three cameras. Choose the one that you love and enjoy using it the most.
exactly and always remember no camera is perfect... just the perfect camera for you, for what you need it and use it for... just get out there and shoot and enjoy.
What an asinine comment. I can't afford to buy all three, nor do I live in a country where I can return a product simply because I don't like it. That is why I rely on real world user experiences to make a determination.
Are we not entertained? who told you to buy all three tho...!!! What a moron!
When I go to ukphotoshow , this year .. I'm looking at a few in mind for the future..
i bought A7R3 with 55 1.8 last year, the only thing i regret is i cant afford another lens:-)
Adapt old manual lenses.
Yavor Kapitanov that’s sick
@@TheChristopherRiot doing the same, getting a lot of fantastic lenses for less than 50$
85 mm 1.8 best lens ever
35 mm samyang af
18 mm samyang manual focus for wide photos
They will help
Christopher Rios get the 28 f2, the best lens per dollar on the platform, second would be the 85 1.8
maybe next time do the Sniff Test before the Wind Tunnel Test so the results are not skewed.
The glass argument has become null and void. You can buy pro glass that is native on both systems. Even if you are a pro how many lenses are you really going to buy anyway. Sony now has G-series glass for every type of shooter. They also have the advantage of a variety of e-mount small and light lenses at a reasonable cost (something Nikon does not have and even accordinging to their own roadmap won't happen for at least a few more years at best). I get that you like Nikon, but the old native glass argument just doesn't carry any water anymore.
It is true that if you have a Nikon lens collection and want to keep it, then you go with Nikon. But that is a no brainer. I just don't see the Z7 as a pro camera yet as with no duel card slots, the banding when you play with dynamic range, and no real improvement to jump from a D850, why would you. Especially with the crazy price of the Z7. If you are a new camera user you would be crazy not to go with Sony right now. Not only does it have better body stabilization, eye AF, duel card slots, and a ton of lens options to choose from, but Sony is by far the more aggressive company right and is developing tech and releasing it at a much faster clip. Rumor has it that they will be releasing a global shutter in 2019 which would be a game changer. Not to mention they will all be 8K video ready . No contest Sony is the forward thinking company, the most aggressive, and seem to listen to the customer the best right now.
The only thing in this video I can afford is the orbit gum
A7rIII. Superb allround camera that is relatively easy to carry when you pair it with the many lighter primes. The Nikon D850 is a mature and very strong performer especially for stills, but is a brick by comparison. The Z7 is a very good first attempt at 35mm mirrorless but future generations will see Nikon improve on it's weaker points.
Probably the most fair and best summary I´ve ever seen.
I had my a7r3 for a year, shot almost 30 weddings, love the camera and platform. After using the EYE AF and IBIS for a year, I could never buy a camera without them. The full frame 4k is OK, the crop 4k is top notch. I hate the Sony phone app, the port covers are cheap plastic, and the water sealing is terrible. I'm 100% happy moving from Canon, they are just so out of the race. The Nikon Z line is a great start, the next gen on both platforms should be great with the competition.
When will the new gen be releasing?
I don’t get why people keep bringing up the ftp adapter for Z. There’s an adapter for every camera. Nikon to canon, canon to Nikon, Nikon to Sony, Sony to Nikon canon to Sony Sony to canon... the ftp adapter doesn’t even have a motor, which means a load of Nikon d lenses are unusable in terms of af, while D85 can auto focus all f mounts. The lens option for z is serious limited. The only things you can choose are the hyper expensive z mounts and stylistically ill-fitted f mount. The f mount lens with adapter is ridiculously long, which defeats the small-size purpose of a mirror less.
I do agree.... BUT the Sony LA-EA3 adaptor allows it to use all the native Sony a-mount glass, and now with the latest firmware update I find no penalty using Sony A-Mount.... just saying, I know it doesn't change the result
If we arent picking based on which system of lens we already own... I would choose the A7R3. It has better auto focusing because of its eye AF and more native lens than the Z7 and I like its body size. I personally had hoped the Z series would have been F mount, ever since its announcement I've felt more free to check out the competition. If the F mount is dying there is no need for me to waste time mourning its death.
Nikon D850....
Hopefully Nikon can actually make a D850 Mirrorless in the coming years....
Z7 is kinda like the D850 mirrorless version
D850 for me.
D850 is a best camera in the world
I have 10 high speed SD cards that i use all the time. total price: ~$250 if you converted that to xqd cards, price would be ~$2,000.00 = Deal breaker. Also, sony's non-weather sealing = deal breaker, also, nikon d850 shitty video focusing and size = deal breaker. looks like i will stick with my d750 until an actual good camera comes out.
Landscape photographer D850, love the focus staking. For video I plane on purchasing a Z6 .
Been shooting Nikon since the 70;s . Tones of Nikon glass.
Focus stacking. That's one of my 2019 learning goals.
@@martharetallick204 you will love focus staking on the 850 it's amazing!
focus staking can the Z6 and Z7 too
@@marcoFVD D850 for now
I've been considering the Sony A7 lll. Great reviews!
23:09: you can also charge via microUSB, not just USB-C. You can even use either one of the USBs for tethering and the other one for charging/powering at the same time.
I already have the D850 and it's a beast. For video I would like to have a second camera, like the Z6. I already have 6 Nikon lenses and the Z7 doesn´t make much of a difference. I would wait and go mirrorless for stills in 2020.
I changed my D750 to D850 because of quality and a lot of professional functions in the body. I know the mirror less is future but Z7 its not good enough in my opinion.
Z7 and Z6 is 1st generation of mirror less Z mount cameras from Nikon. Watching sony improvement over this years, I hope that Nikon next generations cameras will be better and probably my next choice.
how can you give edge to Z7 in terms of lenses? There are three native lenses. Using adapter DOES NOT mean Native and if you are seriously counting that then Sony can use most of Canon lenses as well as A-mount. Not to mention other adapter like M-mount TAP, that gives you AF.
Sony a7riii
I would buy a D850
It is a magic camera
Dont hasitate
Waiting for my 2nd D850’s
Good analysis and coverage of many features to use for criteria. In my opinion, one other criteria to consider is what brand most of your photography club or group is using. In my case, I have an inventory of Nikon lenses, prefer the Nikon camera's feel, am familiar with the Nikon menus, and do photo shoots with club members who are primarily Nikon users ... so, a no brainer. I now have a Z7. Agree though, that you can't go wrong with any of the three choices.
i still don't understand why other youtubers don't use the wind tunnel test. It's a very scientific way of measuring the quality of cameras.
I went with the A7riii. The eye focusing is awesome! Glad I made that choice.
D850 easily.
A7Riii's ISO comes down to 50 and you mentioned 100.......... am I missing something?
Nikon comes down to 32!
great info
4:58 if it's off by 6 stops, the problem is not the camera. it's YOU. so check mark for the D850.
As a Nikon shooter I have to admit, I love the "beefier" camera. May not be as good as the Z 7 but as a guy with big hands and doesn't care about video the D850 is my choice (which I hope to buy next year).
Great video Jared! Anyway Sony! Because I love Eye AF!
I do love me some EYE AF for sure.
2023 and I’m waiting for my D850 to come as i have the om-1 with all the great lenses they offer the D850 will be for landscapes and portraits I don’t do video with any of my cameras as i have a video camcorder that does that job
Jared failed in this review to emphasize which is the most ALL ROUNDED camera, which is the Sony A7RIII with the only reservation that you got to make sure you are happy with the glass available. I cannot understand how such a critical way of looking at a camera is getting so overlooked in current reviews. D850 does not compete in video well, Z7 lacks performance and single card slot, A7RIII does everything really well with no major shortcomings.
Which one to buy?
Of course it should be Nikon D850
I want to buy an A7Rlll. I think the lens is the best combination of the Sony 16-35mm F2.8 GM. 👍👍👍😊
Sony has native adapters as well for their a mount lenses
I went with the Sony A7RII and here's the reason I did. I took a 4 to 5 year hiatus from photography, but before that I was shooting with a Nikon D80. A somewhat beginner camera for photography, but it was still capable of taking good pictures. I think I had one nice lens for the Nikon, so switching over to the Sony A7RIII wasn't a deal breaker for me when it came to lenses. The funny thing is I almost went with the Nikon Z7 camera and actually pre-ordered the camera, but after doing some more research I cancelled the order and went with the Sony A7R III. Six months later I purchased the Sony A9 camera. I have small hands so the Sony cameras feel good in my hand and I'm not to turned off with the touchscreen on the Sony cameras. I just love how the pictures/ videos that come out of these Sony cameras and I love mirrorless where I don't have chimp to see what the picture is going to look like. Before anyone says that I have money, I'm not rich; however, I plan on keeping these cameras for a long time (I hope and want to put them to good use. I think if I had a lot of Nikon glass I probably would had gone with the Nikon D850 first then eventually gone with the Nikon Z7. I don't think anyone can go wrong with any of theses cameras and it just depends what features that you are personally going for that makes the decision in what camera to buy.
I think Sony has already released the glass you definitely need. So bashing Sony for not having enough glass is a bit outdated.
When talking about adapting you could easily use the old Sony A-Mount lenses.
I also agree with you, that Nikon has definitely more of the good glass out.
I'm working with Sony after my first Nikon and I don't regret it. Got the Sigma Art Lenses and the phenomenal 70-200GM and I don't know yet what I can't shoot with this combination.
Sony A7r4 or Nikon d850 which one is batter only for photography ??
A7riv miles away
As a fast action wildlife photographer l don't see any EVF camera that can equal a DSLR TTL anytime soon. Throw in battery life and the mirror lock up option with the D850 for time-lapse l don't see the need for mirrorless.
Hopefully someday the dense minded will realize, mirrorless doesn't take better pics because the mirror is missing.
The A9 is pretty spanky for wildlife. No blackout shooting, 20 fps and incredible af are phenomenal for bif especially. Time lapse is still possible although maybe done differently. I don't like the A7III compared to the D850 because I think they're on slightly different levels (D850 above it).
I was a die hard Nikon fan, moved to the Sony A7II then the A7RII, and I just can't stand the Sony Menu's, buttons, and ergonomics. No matter how much I force myself, I just don't like it. I want to go back to the Nikon and get a D850. The Nikon was just so intuitive and easy to shoot with; not so much with the Sony. The question is whether I should forgo D850 and get a Z7? I just can't decide. I only have 1 Nikon F lens and two Sony lenses, so I'm not really invested all that much in either platform.
I pick the D850, because I already own the Z6
Hi Jared, I know just about every one is blaming the Z7 / Z6 and saying that that Song A7iii is so much better. I would love to see a fist generation Sony A7 ver a Nikon Z7 just to see how they compare. Sill watch and love your content. You and your team have an amazing 2019. Just as an answer to your question I have a D850 and it is a great tool for what I shot with it. But I do have a lot of Nikon lenses, I also have an X1D that to is an amazing camera the nice camera in the hand but not the fastest but a delight to use and the results are stunning.
Sony e-mount native lenses ➡️ Sony a-mount+la-ea4 ➡️ Minolta 😉 We actually have a lot of glasses 😂
To me it's not even About Specs. I switched from Nikon to Sony because Sony kept improving their cameras with every new iteration! Nikon was behind the times. Sony actually listens to consumers and They are active on social media heavy. Sony has 12-200mm g master lenses and Sigma lenses are Amazing. The battery life improvement Just made it perfect. I shoot with a A7rii right now I switched from a D750 to a A7 mark I and shot it for years.
Its not 'Beat a dead horse' anymore. PETA said its 'Feed a fed horse'.
Which makes absolutely no sense because if PETA cared about animals, they wouldn't overfeed a horse potentially making it dead.
Can i use mu sigma 25-70mm on the z7 or in the a7riii ? What adaptor should i get?
mc-11
For your question, Sony A7RIII. D850 is great but once you get used to mirrorless... I tried the Z7 and didn't like it much. Not much glass out there yet for the Z cameras.
Just use the adaptors 😉
@Love made in Japan it is called sarcasm, Nikon currently only has a few native mirrorless lenes while Sony has several both by Sony and the rest by Zeiss along with an excellent Tamron 28-75. The Sigma art lens are great for stills and decent for video. Would you rather buy the Z with only a handful of lenses or the Sony with lenses for every situation that you do not have to adapt to old DSLR glass?
Been shooting film since 1973 and FINALLY am converting to digital. A7Riii too damn small for me. Z7 is better ergonomically. D850 is great but the heftiest one. Currently in brain-lock. It'll be a Z7 or D850 but I am leaning towards embracing the future. My decision will probably go down to the wire. They are all great cameras but the Sony just doesn't feel good in my hands. All my research & pondering is hurting my brain! You didn't mention the Nikons essentially automated focus stacking (what they call focus shifting). I would definitely use that for landscape! I'm not a vidnut so that part is not as important to me so I could still lean toward the D850 but then again, there's the future! Decisions, decisions...
Very coll Comparasion Jared
lol 6h ago I was wondering which one to buy :D
I’m saving for a Nikon d850
Have a about a 1000 to go
I love my current Nikon d7500 but I shoot landscapes and want it for this
Sony needs the rrs grip and extended eye cup and it's the most comfortable camera ever. Still light but all your fingers have room. Photographers don't shoot stock cameras. We pimp that shit. Let's see a review of camera accessories a photographer would use in the real world. I would love for you to play with my Sony as I have it set up. I think you may change your mind on it feeling like shit. When I first got the Sony I didn't like the ergonomics but I did like the small size.
You still can't believe it? Nikon was good when there were no movie rolls now is the eletronics that sends
Damn who need to pump up exposure by 6 stops lol😂😂
Only for those who do ghost photography LOL
😂😂😂
Sounds like fun...😂😂
me, the greenlight hunter.
Great and informative comparison Jared! Very fair although there is a time or two where I don’t think you give Sony enough credit (ex: 1-price comparison, 2-glass: Sony has more actual mirrorless lenses than the others).
Thanks for the great content and Happy New Year!
The22Healer there is no such thing as a mirrorless lens
You know what I mean. Lenses that are designed for use only on a mirrorless camera. Their motor systems are optimally designed for working with mirrorless camera focusing systems. Being that Sony has been in the game longer, they have a much wider selection of these truly native lenses than the handful that Canon and Nikon have.
12.7.2019 - battery grip for D850 is free!; Adapter for Z7 is free! both quality better than sony.... for me, Z7 seems tempting... but only lens worth buy is the 24-70 f/2.8 S - Noct is awesome, but not at $8000 for 58mm only; and the rest are a waste of money.
So Jared, what is wrong? The Nikon got an excellent review of its autofocusing. It was compared to the Sony A73 and the A7R3. It lost slightly to the A73 but beat the A7R3 in a test running and walking toward the camera. It beat the A7R3 in at least 3 tests that in reviewed here on TH-cam. Maybe the Nikon got a firmware update. I don't know. But i'm asking because I thought of
switching to Sony but I'm heavily invested in Nikon.
Your thoughts please
And again, you can mount nativ A-Mount lenses to the Sony.
No one has those for god sake. Not to the extent of the f mount and ef.
@@froknowsphoto Maybe not in the US, but Konica Minolta was a big thing in Europe and Japan. And they had and HAVE a good lens line-up. The best thing is, you get those now for not much money.
But to say, there is no native glas is just wrong. I know people adapting A-Mount lenses to their E-Mount Sonys, just because the lenses are so cheap to get. There is still no cheaper option to lenses like a 70-300mm or a 70-200mm F2.8 in the E-Mount lens line up, but you get them new or used for the A-Mount, so please don't say "for god sake". I can say the same when you say, but think about all the F-Mount lenses you can adapt to the Z7, when you step new into the Nikon Z. Just say it, like it is. It might be a dead system today, but that is also the future for the F-Mount.
If you are into Sony, i suggest, if you can afford it, the SIGMA Art 24-70mm F/2.8 DG DN, lens for all around shooting, I mainly use it on my A7RIII rig, but also on my older A7II as well. excellent lens,
Why don't you put up the final score board in the end, that would really help me and the others in choosing.
Yes please do th FroKnow
Thumbs WAY DOWN for choosing a useless pixel shift thing over the best timelapse camera ever in the D850. The Sony doesn't even have a Time-lapse feature for fucks sake!! Ridiculous.
20:30 you should give the Z7 a minus checkmark then. For this price this is not acceptable… (for the Z6 it is acceptable)
i have a d3300 and interested in sony a7iii also in z6. I like their lightness but cant completely decide which one between the two. I only like 35mm, 50mm and 85mm lenses. can venture for more zoom but these are my preferred.
I'm a D850 owner but I would trade it for a A7riii
Hi, thank you for your honestly post! I want to buy the D850 after my D750, but the size and wight and no EVF had me switch to A7R3. When the Z7 had 2 Card Slots i would buy it. But for now, Sony is the best - NO REGRETS!
I just sold my A7RIII and Canon glass and switched to a D850... best decision ever. Loved the A7RIII but if you're a landscape shooter, you gotta worry about weather sealing, and I will say that Sony glass is just way too expensive and still limited. So happy to have a bunch of lens options. The only thing I miss is the EVF and video but by the time a next generation Nikon mirrorless comes out I will probably make the switch.
I totally agree with your decision and have also bought the D 850. For me the perfect camera for the next 2-3 years. Then you can see how the Z-series has developed.
If you have tiny girl hands and like horrible erognomics and a shitty EVF, go with the SONY.
but canon has the 5ds and 5dsr that has about the same body price?
Regular Gamer Channel with Mr E942 and they are both terrible , not worth comparing
Same price but not nearly as good. And very obsolete. Need a refresh.
A7R3 - because I do not believe the existing Nikon F-glass is up to the task of high resolution imaging... and I have an A7R2 now so the upgrade makes sense to me.
NASA says you're higher than them
Fuji x-t3 😉
One thing not mentioned is that D850 shoots 7fps in 14-bit Raw unlike other two with 12-bit.
can you hold the sony one handed vertically and shoot comfortably? if you tried it... let me know please. 2 days ago i shot a tiger in the zoo that way. it was the only possible way cause i had to shoot between cage bars
Hmmm I believe you said Sony A7RIII were older than the D850 - is that correct?
Why don't you do side by side photo comparisons? How do you call it a camera comparison video without that
There is nothing such as the perfect camera. Every camera has downsides. But everything comes down to the lens. Gmaster and Zeiss lineup are the sharpest lenses in the market. It's expensive but hey you can't go wrong with them. Being a Nikon user I fed up with a lot of bugs and heating issues in Nikon body. Nikon glasses are cheap compared to sony and they don't compete
Does IBS make the camera more sensitive in the case of dropping and constant knocking?
Excellent comparison, Jared, except I missed the section on image quality! As a landscape and product STILLS X-T3 shooter (no video), I have been debating on selling my Fuji kit (reluctantly), and moving into FF, specifically the Sony a7Rlll and lenses like the Sony 16-35 f/2.8 GM, and the 90mm f/2.8 G Macro . Since I shoot 99% tripod-mounted, neither IBIS nor video interests me. So, my question is, for large print output (around 24"x 36" prints), how much of an improvement in terms of image sharpness, detail rendition, dynamic range, base ISO performance, etc., would I see over the already excellent X-T3 (combined with the ultra-sharp Fujinon XF80mm f/2.8 Macro lens), when using the a7Rlll and the Sony 90mm f/2.8 G Macro lens tripod-mounted? Also, another reviewer mentioned that the Sony cameras have an issue with sensor dust. Do you find that as well?
i take the d850 , why because i have all the lenses il ever need all nikon all 2.8 😀 the d850 feels like a camera 00
I got the Z6 last year and it works great, love the buttons and menu system. Image quality on Zmounts is excellent BUT Sony has way more native lenses, superior focusing and a better ecosystem IMO. I own 1 F mount lens and nothing else. I’m considering jumping to Sony A7Riii (maybe a7Riv) or upgrading to the Z7 and sticking with Nikon for the long game. It’s a tough choice! Jared makes the choice easier yet harder at the same time lol
So true! He makes it look easy but really gives you a hard time in choosing. Thank you!
A7R3 ☑️
Still loving my D850 + holy trinity. Nothing beats it!
The camera I'm going to upgrade to is not on your list which is understandable since very few use the system, I'll be upgrading my Sigma SLR for the newly announced L-Mount Sigma FF some time this year, but I'm a little crazy.
I'd go with the D850 AND the Z6.
Hey Jared, nice video. I want to ask a question to you or to anyone willing to answer. I used to be a huge fan of DSLRs, believing that a bigger camera will get you better results, for the price. The Z series made me completely change my mind! Although I don't have a problem with weight/size, I don't see the point of going DSLR anymore.. The new Z mount made all the budget DSLR options like the D3500/D5600 seem less appealing, and in fact antiquated! What is the advantage of huge DSLRs nowadays? I don't care much for the optical viewfinder (which is flawed in many ways especially in crop sensors) and USB charging is a huge feature for me. Thanks in advance.
there is no perfect camera. the camera that is best for you is what it can do for your needs. buying a big dslr bc you think its better doesnt make any sense. for me, i use crop sensors for wildlife photography bc of that extra zoom i get so i can take pics of my subject from far away. for portraits, i use full frame for the better depth of field and image detail. i dont use mirrorless bc my cams already do what i need it to do. silent shooting is why some people move to mirrorless but do i need it? no. but for some people they do. at the end of the day, what camera you get regardless if its a dslr or mirrorless make sure you get it bc it fits what you need it to do.
You keep talking as if the FTZ adapter is close to perfect. It's not, even for native glass. And a lot of us own some 3rd party glass too that may or may not work. Matt Granger has done some testing. Today I'd buy the D850 if I wasn't interested in video. Sometime in the next few years the mirrorless options will in fact be better, but gen 1 always sucks for Nikon. In any case for Christmas I just upgraded my wife's camera from D90 and went for the D7200 body only which was selling for AUD760 after cashback in AUS (USD 535, which is awesome since we're always slugged with higher prices here). The price for full frame and the new focus on high end cameras is ridiculous for the amateur market. In case you think I'm being cheap to my wife, that's what I shoot too.
Never buy first generation anything, especially with a single card slot. Great consumer camera but not for that much $
@@attilahardy3448 Bingo. Unless you're rich, buy on closeout for camera bodies if you can wait. You'll get a good 30%-50% off the retail price at launch and your money will go further. For lenses wait a year or so after launch and buy during a sale.
I just bought a D850. Done deal. TowerJazz is making the Nikon BSI Sensors
Fantastic detailed review!! I LOVE IT!
I just sold one of my D750 and bought the D850 at the great price of $2,800 with the grip. The Z7 was $100 cheaper with the adapter. Now looking at that video, I’m wondering if I haven’t done a mistake and should have bought the Z7 instead. Comments/Advices?
No
I would get the a7r3 because of the price and i have a lot of Canon glass and the functionality of most adapters is since firmware 2.10 is for photo the same as native e mount, video however is still not well with an adapter
Here in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Z7 is 1000$ expensive than d850. Maybe due to limited body. In 2019 i am planning to get d810 and a7rii or any comes with good price later.
I went with the Sony A7RIII before the Nikon came out, but I was already using Sony and those are the lenses I had. (Still using the crop-sensor lenses until I can afford to buy new glass.)
Nikon user here but I love all 3 of them thank you! 🙂❤
wtf no! sony didn't make the nikon sensors.
I bought the A7R3 like 1 month ago with the 85mm f1.8 and the 70-200mm f4 because I can’t afford the Gmaster f2.8
Jared, it's a proven fact now that the A7-III and Nikon Z6 use the exact same Sony IMX410 image sensor so the raw output should be identical. (Thank you TechInsights X-ray machine and electron microscopes!) Jpg processing could be different. As for the Sony XQD card socket? This might have been a condition placed by Sony on the Nikon/Sony sensor contract of sale. Lumix S1?....will it also have the same IMX410? Who knows? We do know it also has an Sony XQD card socket. Hmmmmm......
I kinda regret selling my nikon stuff :(
What did you sell it for? Sony?
@@bioptimization fuji medium format and APSC but after 4 months I kinda regret it because I miss how the nikons work.
I do like Sonys for some stuff but I should habe bought a d850 instead of the gfx s
When in doubt, nothing beats a DSLR. I love my Nikon Z7. Why? Its IBIS is top notch and I can adapt my Leica glass but I found that Zeiss ZM mount resolves better. Bought two lenses from Sigma - 105/1.4 and their new 40/1.4. The new 40mm is Otus sharp!!! Best Sigma lens so far!!! I rarely pick up my D850 but I found the D850's AF is still superior for sports.
I wish one day the Z7 will have a good adaptor for canon glass as i have them
Why so many mistakes in capital letters... seriously difficult to watch! 🙈
3.69m dot VS 3.69M Dot.....
Ermaghurd!
Nobody:
JP: Now you would think that they both get a checkmark...
I just got an A7III and I love it. It's fantastic. I'd love to pick up an RIII. I want to play with that Pixel Shift thing. Looks REALLY cool and the results are AMAZING. Hell, I might even pick up an A7RII. You can get them STUPID cheap on eBay...I've seen them go for ~1,200-1,300 bucks with batteries and other doodads. That's a TON of camera for the money.
Fucking shitballs...speaking of "TON of camera for the money", $2,798 for the RIII?!?!?! WHAT!?!