TH-cam content creators take note: These guys know how to add "flavor" to dry content. They lead into each scene with some goofiness and are constantly switching up environments and composition. Much better than the standard "guy at his desk holding a camera."
422 10-bit internal VLog-L and the smaller sensor means the best IBIS (hence the text comment in the video stating they're only comparing FF IBIS). Also loads more aids like waveforms.
@@24Steevy The only reason to buy a Canon EOS RP is if you are looking for a mirror-less Canon 6D II. If you're interested in video features, given how Canon has crippled the RP in 4K (crop, focusing, frame-rates), in no way does it compare to the mid-range mirror-less cameras mentioned above.
when the z7 comes third in image quality, you gotta put in a caveat that there is more image quality in any of them than you can ever hope to use. Its like comparing 3 top F1 drivers: you can say one is better than the other, but any of them are insanely amazing.
Janet McPhail I haven’t been able to get my hands on it as of yet but from everything I have read, it seems to be close to the size dimensions of my D4S (which is kind of small in my hands) I am looking for another FX body, the S1R/D850/and the upcoming D6 are all on my list!
Oh, re: the PixelShift on the a7R III, I just copy the photos to my computer like I normally would and then run PixelShift2DNG, then import the whole folder into LR. PixelShift2DNG is SO MUCH better than Sony's awful tool, it's free for now and really fast.
14:05 "...more compact body design?" Why would that matter when the lenses are going to be larger than the DSLR alternative you already mentioned D850?
They're not? Nikon Z7 + 24-70 2.8 Z is a much smaller setup than a D850 + 24-70 2.8 F-mount. And even if you use the FTZ to use the exact same lens, it's still smaller.
It is incredible that a body from 2 years ago still keep on top of the list against its rivals in Image quality, battery life, AF!, general speed, and many other points. Good job Sony with the A7r3.
The battery life issue with the Z7 is... Just weird. The camera is supposed to use EN-EL15B, the A version mostly works for convenience. The A versions for me also get chewed by video around 40% faster, which makes me wonder why you didn't use the included (!) EN-EL15b version and rant against the A version. I mean, come one. Why do that?
Any chance your "A" version is showing age and is not holding as much charge anymore? On like a D850 you'd hardly notice the lowered capacity because they would run for thousands of shots (aka weeks) before needing recharge. But if an old "A" battery has gone through enough recharge cycle and is only holding ~60% capacity, it would explain why it got chewed through by video 40% faster.
@@ZShotinc i have an assortment of them and the newest one works similar to the oldest. I have really old 15s with a or b, those are really not suited for the Zs ;) i haven't tried a pristine 15a, but i probably won't since I won't buy more of those ;)
That bridge behind you in the intro, vaguely familiar like from a dream... I can't see for sure, there was a particular sign that was "artistrized" but other such things have been "cleaned". :) A great and unbiased reviews of these cameras. The pedigree of the Sony platform is more mature than the other two, but it looks like the Panasonic platform has the most momentum. These are somewhat arbitrary words. And in the end, it all depends on the "artist" to choose the right tool. Thanks for giving us a very thought-provoking overview!
i dont mean to be off topic but does any of you know a way to get back into an Instagram account? I was stupid forgot the account password. I would love any tricks you can give me
@Jalen Warren Thanks for your reply. I got to the site through google and Im trying it out now. I see it takes quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.
I would love to know about if the S1R's hi-res 180MP mode works with the silent electronic shutter, and if it combines at the same time with exposure bracketing.
Just wondering if the Z7 in the test had the update ? I had a bit of a hands on in store today with the A7R3 and the Z7 , both really nice cameras , and while the Sony is the old veteran in full frame , I couldn't help but fall in love with Z7 , I loved the feel of it , and the view finder and live view was amazing . Although conventional wisdom may say the Sony has the edge , the heart is feeling the the Z7😁. With respect the Sony feel felt arkward and uncomfortable for someone with large ish hands.
Great review. One thing getting largely overlooked is that as a system, the Nikon Z7 with 14-30 f4 S, 24-70 f4 S and 70-200 f4 F is BY FAR the smallest and lightest super-high IQ landscape kit available.
Personal opinion: it is great video and great comparison. But so far none of the so-called comparison has mentioned much about manual focusing, which is niche but very important for old school photographers like me... I did a comparison with my friends in studio and in field between S1R, A7Riii, Z7, X1R, M240, M10, A9, EOS R, X1D and GFX, among which A9/A7Riii outperformanced every other camera for it has the best image quality of liveview, best accuracy of peak display, and best frame rate when enlarging. I would say for any manual focusing lovers Sony is still the very best choice in terms of shooting experience, not to say it has the first class image quality as well.
Your nose moving the focus is easily fixed by turning off the touchpad feature. You can still touch to focus it just turns off the touch to focus feature when your eye is up against the EVF.
Interesting.. I have an a7Riii and an S5. I use the S5 more as its somehow more photographer friendly to me, so im wondering if i should get an S1R now they have dropped in price and i have L glass now (no not Canon)
Excellent comparisons, Chris and Jordan! I have a question...I have zero experience with Sony, and have been a Fujifilm-X shooter for about 8 years, first with an X-Pro1. My main interest is obtaining the sharpest, most detail-rich images as possible, given the constraints of time and funds. As a landscape and product STILLS X-T3 shooter (no video), Lately I feel like I've gotten the most out of the APS-C format, hence I have been debating on selling my Fuji kit (reluctantly), and moving into FF, specifically the Sony a7Rlll and lenses like the Sony 16-35 f/2.8 GM, Sony FE 55 f/2.8, and the 90mm f/2.8 G Macro . Since I shoot 99% tripod-mounted, neither IBIS nor video interests me. So, my question is, for large print output (around 24"x 36" prints), how much of an improvement in terms of image sharpness, detail rendition, dynamic range, base ISO performance, etc., would I see over the already excellent X-T3 (combined with the ultra-sharp Fujinon XF80mm f/2.8 Macro lens), when using the a7Rlll and the Sony 90mm f/2.8 G Macro or Sony 16-35 f/4 tripod-mounted? Finally, how does the new Nikkor S glass compare to the Sony/Zeiss glass in terms of image sharpness? Thank you!
Jordan have you actually compared the video between the lower res A7Sii and the A7iii? I've seen several comparisons where the A7iii is unanimously sharper in video because of it's 4k downsampling. Were you referring to the gradability of the footage or maybe the low light performance when you said the low res bodies are "probably a better option"? I would think most videographers in this budget will choose sharpness. I hope you've actually looked at side by side comparisons of the two before making a call like that and basically dismissing the A7iii for serious video shooters.
The a7 III shoots substantially better video than the a7S II until you get to the insanely high ISOs. Supersampled 4K offered by the a7 III, S1 and Z6 will outperform cameras with 1:1 capture (a7S II) and higher resolution cameras that have to use pixel-binning because there's too much resolution to compress in real time (a7R III, S1R, Z7). It's worth pointing out that these high resolution cameras all offer Supersampled 4K in their APS-C crop (Super35) modes. We left this out for the sake of brevity.
Interesting comparison. Living in Canada's far north, where the closest real camera shop is probably a thousand kilometres away, I rely heavily on You Tube reviews to inform me as to the handling, quality and suitability of a product. All of the photographic gear I've purchased over the last decade has been the result of essentially educated guesses based on an averaging of input from hundreds of on-line sources, and so far, I feel like I've done pretty well. Anyway, you can imagine how cool it is when someone comes to town with products that you can actually pick up and feel first hand. A week ago we were lucky enough to have the new TCSTV crew in town for a photographic festival or sorts, and they brought along the new Panasonics for people to pick up and examine first hand. We also had a Nikon rep at the same event with the new Z(ed) series cameras. Unfortunately, handling both units quickly dissipated my GAS. I'd heard that the S1 was big and heavy, but in hand it was like picking up my old Canon 7D, but felt even less comfortable. I was struck by the brick-like feeling from front to back, and thought, "nope!" The Z7 was much better in the hand, but I found myself comparing it unfavourably with my OM-D E-M1. It just wasn't as comfortable or solid feeling in the hand. The other thing that really struck me about these cameras was the viewfinder in the S1. Reviewers generally seem to praise its resolution, size and quality, but I didn't like it. It seemed incredibly contrasty, and again, I found myself preferring (significantly) the view through my original OM-D E-M1. So, whats the lesson here? Well, as much as I appreciate on-line reviews, nothing beats actually holding a camera in your hands. I am now looking forward to the chance to handle the Canon EOS R. Hopefully, it will impress me where these two units didn't. I have yet to try any version of the Sony lineup so that is another form factor that I really need to get my hands on, but for now, at least, I find myself quite pleased with my aging, but still capable and reliable, OM-D E-M1. Cheers.
So you're rocking a six year old camera. If it makes you feel any better, I have a Panasonic GH4. We live in a time where we are spoiled beyond belief with amazing cameras. Just because a new one gets released doesn't mean the old one turns into slag. Happy shooting.
@@WildBikerBill You're totally right! I still love my camera, and I'm not sure that I would replace it even if I did find the "new best thing." Besides, I replaced the old 7d all those years ago with the OM-D because I wanted something that was lighter, and therefore, more convenient to carry with. The Olympus has served me extremely well in that, and may other regards. I carry it daily, no matter how many kilometres I hike into the forest and it has yet to let me down. All that said, right now, the camera industry seems to be shifting focus, and it is fun to check out the latest tech, and imagine where things are going. And who knows, maybe some magical camera will come along that will seduce me into spending a whack of money, but for now, that doesn't appear to be close to happening.
I recently moved from Canon (APS-C) to the Z6, and have been pretty happy with it so far. The higher resolution of the Z7 just doesn't seem worth the extra cost, especially when it has to make a few sacrifices to achieve that resolution.
just while I was going through DPreview's image comparison tool, I found s1r is better in producing fine textures in comparison with a7r3 and it was hard to find any difference with dynamic range. Was surprised to see a7r3 win the image quality. interesting perspective anyway. thank you for the video.
I've owned the a7riii since it was released. After updating the firmware a couple weeks ago, my battery life has drastically decreased. I now NEED 2 batteries to get through a day of shooting. Has anyone else experienced this?
Can't agree on that. I own 16-35 GM and 24-70 GM. While is 16-35 is a dream, 24-70 is so much crappier in comparison with adapted Canon 24-70 2.8L (last edition). I don't know if I got such bad copy or they all are the same, but Canon is better in any way
KL Tah yes indeed. I don't know the scientific reason, may be it's because it has to do less pixel read out/ bigger individual pixels can't say for sure. The GH5s is a better video camera and way better low light performer than the GH5 in low light and it has like 10/12MP resolution compared to 20MP on the regular GH5.
On Panasonic micro 4/3 cameras it's possible to press the LVF button to change behavior so that when the viewfinder is activated the screen will turn off. If Panasonic hasn't removed this feature it will solve the problem of Chris' nose changing the focus point.
Very nice. Many aspects are highly subjective of course, but at the end of the shooting day, this is a quite balanced review that gives a good overview.
Finally, Jordan got screen time in something besides video. ;D I was hoping for an entire video, but better than nothing! heh... Edit: And image quality, wow!
Canon only has two mirrorless FF bodies at the minute, both of which are nearer the Z6 and A7iii in resolution. If Canon ever produced a mirrorless body with the 5DS(r) sensor, then it'd be competing with the Z7 and A7Riii.
Great review of three amazing cameras! I missed some words about the "color science" even though this can only be subjectiver. Which color did you liked the most? Like always, GREAT work :-)
@@24Steevy stop that nonsense. it has better AF than the nikon by far (even much better than the Z7). Its way better build than the sony. Has better lenses, with the new 1.2 firmware the R doesnt have the Dynamic range pull Banding anymore(the Z cameras still have). alot of more stuff like where the canon shines over the others.
Sony went pretty much full mirrorless for video eons ago, Panasonic got this insane Leica mount idea, and Nikon seemed to jump into ML game just for the hell of it because Z line, especially with the adapter, is not all that much smaller nor lighter than DSLRs.
I applaud you guys for highlighting the z7 banding and not giving it the IQ top spot when pushing 5 stops in post for that reason. However looking at Ming Theins results from a7riii sensor, the a7riii suffers with the same banding problem and posterization effects while having lower dynamic range at base and lower resolution? Also is there an interest in you guys revisiting this breakdown semi regularly as the different camera companies release firmware updates for AF. E.g sonys new AI autofocus, Panasonic's firmware updates, Nikon's new af eye detect system and pro res raw etc...
The lower megapixel versions of all these cameras supersample their 4K images, using all the information from the sensor. This creates a sharper, less noisy images than pixel- binning from these high-res alternatives. Also, there will be more video oriented features on the lower res options (Nikon Z6 will get ProRes RAW external recording, Panasonic S1 will receive 10-bit VLog).
@@thatjordandrake Basically what is the 4k to 4k super 35 to super 35 comparison for the sony a7riii and a7iii?.... OK that was it, no more questions I promise. Love the reviews you guys do by the way. The stand out being your skating sony a99ii review :-)
Thanks man for this great test. I have the A7iii and im thinking about to get the s1r, because i have big hands and the handling is very important for me. Also the s1r is weatherproof and i love it to taking photos in all weather conditions. The 3. point for the s1r is the highres mode. So imy a7iii is great for portraits, animals and sports because of the fast AF-C, but for landscapes i think the s1r is the best choice. Im waiting for the sigma lenses and then the s1r will be mine 😁
The A7iii has a [Sunny Weather Mode] to allow for outdoor viewing!!! Why doesn't anyone know about this feature! With this mode activated, the screen is easily 2500 NITS!!!
It's worth mentioning that those cameras are just the tools, the images you gonna produce or the videos are sole depending on the user, no best camera around, it's what best for your needs.
Thanks for nice production vdo and content.. One thing to improve :- show some images or vdo comparison samples.. Also, One area you should compare.. which camera is "funniest" to use?… I guess, Z7.. Though I personally like S1R the most..
I don't think they would do this "which camera is the most fun to use" thing because it's very subjective. It's different from one user to another. I love using my Sony A7R III because for me it's the most fun to use especially with manual lenses like the Voigtlander lenses. Sony cameras have this double magnification feature that makes manual focusing precise and fast. Also, my Zeiss and G Master lenses autofocus are unmatched. No need to fumble with the focus points. One press and it activates the face/ eye detection. It will track your subject anywhere in the frame. Now, you can focus more on composition, lighting, etc...but all these great features might not be appealing to someone else. Horses for courses.
Pdn actually measured z7 to have more at base 64 iso. However the question of useable dynamic range probably factors into it as when you push 6 stops you run the risk of banding on z7 or striping on a7riii. Check out Jim kassons article on it. blog.kasson.com/nikon-z6-7/nikon-z7-banding/ and this provides a little more insight blog.kasson.com/nikon-z6-7/nikon-z7-pdaf-banding-faqs/ Looks like banding is extremely rare and a result of Nikon trying to apply a software fix for the stripping effect that some 3 suffers from. It's good to be aware of each camera's gotchas.
And the best thing about the A7R iii (for me at least) is that it has an older brother: the A7R ii. If you don't care about animal eye AF (or fast AF for that matter) because you're doing landscapes/architecture/portraits/macro the A7R ii is a great camera. It can be picked up for 1400 or so nowadays and gives same IQ as the mark III.
There is a fourth 40+ megapixel mirrorless option: The A7RII. And that camera is stupid cheap when you get it used. Less than half the price of any of those three cameras you tested here. Btw.: Why not make an episode about cameras for folks mainly interested in photography with adapted manual focus lenses? There is a lot of us! ;)
The Fuji G 50R that’s $4000 should’ve been apart of this review, even though it’s medium format, it falls around the same price range. It would’ve been nice to see the differences in sensor size and tech.
TH-cam content creators take note: These guys know how to add "flavor" to dry content. They lead into each scene with some goofiness and are constantly switching up environments and composition. Much better than the standard "guy at his desk holding a camera."
They get paid.
@æon By get paid I meant that its their living not that they are paid to say things. A TH-camr may make nothing off their videos.
Some viewers like to be entertained while others prefer to be educated.
The moment Jordan is not filming everything goes out of focus.
YOU HAVE ONE JOB CHRIS!
J. T. It scored better than the Nikon...
What are you talking about? All the trees in the background were tack sharp!
Jay Philip Williams 😂😂😂
That‘s exactly what I though the moment they switched ^^
I was going to comment this, but you beat me to it 21hrs ago.
I'm more impressed by the fact that you still use the GH5 even with the FF cameras out in the market today.
Such a productivity beast of a camera..
In my opinion, m43 is the most versatile video system out there. However, the AF performance could be improved.
out of focus everywhere lol even with the massive depth of field
422 10-bit internal VLog-L and the smaller sensor means the best IBIS (hence the text comment in the video stating they're only comparing FF IBIS). Also loads more aids like waveforms.
GH 5 is still amazing
How about a comparison between middle-resolution mirrorless cameras: Sony A7III vs Panasonic S1 vs Nikon Z6? :-)
Plus EOS RP
@@akhyarrayhka4048 EOS Rp is a pure junk, just can't compete with cameras above
@@24Steevy The only reason to buy a Canon EOS RP is if you are looking for a mirror-less Canon 6D II.
If you're interested in video features, given how Canon has crippled the RP in 4K (crop, focusing, frame-rates), in no way does it compare to the mid-range mirror-less cameras mentioned above.
The A7 3 vs Z6 vs R vs S1 is super relevant for videographers... Jordan should have an exclusive take on these video only focused....
Already did 2/3 alongside the EOS R:
th-cam.com/video/nRXU34DD6pM/w-d-xo.html
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Canon doesn't have high ress cameras at all in mirrorless, so they are out of this game...
@@gerardfrensen3816 The Fuji GFX would kinda fit, though. Maybe next time...
@@fellowcitizen Yes, but there is one "problem" with that camera, it is not FF!
@N. D. If it doesn't have the resolution or dynamic range, how the hell would it be #1 for image quality?
@N. D. who cares if it is out of competiton limits?
Great video, as always! I hope to see S1 vs. Z6 vs. a7III soon.
You're my favorite Disney princess.
I was today years old when I learned that the screen on my S1 would flip out sideways when in portrait mode!
I've owned the camera for 4 months!
Happy Birthday Jordan! Always enjoy the videos!
when the z7 comes third in image quality, you gotta put in a caveat that there is more image quality in any of them than you can ever hope to use. Its like comparing 3 top F1 drivers: you can say one is better than the other, but any of them are insanely amazing.
Pretty much you can say that for all the categories.
The S1R form factor is my favorite...built like a TANK!
Obsidian17 Have you tried it yet? I did last week and loved it. It will probably be my next camera. Currently using a Nikon D810.
Janet McPhail I haven’t been able to get my hands on it as of yet but from everything I have read, it seems to be close to the size dimensions of my D4S (which is kind of small in my hands) I am looking for another FX body, the S1R/D850/and the upcoming D6 are all on my list!
as soon as they fix AF and release a 100-400mm lens, I'll buy one. can't ever go back to shitty wobbly AF after a sony a9.
Happy birthday, Jordan!! Can't believe I didn't notice the single card slot on the Z7. WHO KNEW?!
Oh, re: the PixelShift on the a7R III, I just copy the photos to my computer like I normally would and then run PixelShift2DNG, then import the whole folder into LR. PixelShift2DNG is SO MUCH better than Sony's awful tool, it's free for now and really fast.
Who knew M43 was dead with all these people using it still 🤣🤣
14:05 "...more compact body design?" Why would that matter when the lenses are going to be larger than the DSLR alternative you already mentioned D850?
They're not?
Nikon Z7 + 24-70 2.8 Z is a much smaller setup than a D850 + 24-70 2.8 F-mount.
And even if you use the FTZ to use the exact same lens, it's still smaller.
Really enjoyed this - great work and happy birthday Jordan!! :)
Thanks Chris!
Great review! Love the fun bicycle theme used as a “vehicle” for this episode.
6:35 - Film me like one of your French Canadians!
Definately more reclined reviewing, please.
Precious! Lol
It is incredible that a body from 2 years ago still keep on top of the list against its rivals in Image quality, battery life, AF!, general speed, and many other points.
Good job Sony with the A7r3.
And the fact the sensor in the sony is over 5 years old now lol
I just bought myself an A7R3 and am expecting to have a really good time with it
What is involved in "tracking" a subject with the z7?
Allen Schneider what do u mean sir
If you had the Fujinon MK18-55 & MK50-135 T2.9 lenses, which body would you put them on for shooting video? (It's can have Sony F or MFT mount.)
The battery life issue with the Z7 is... Just weird. The camera is supposed to use EN-EL15B, the A version mostly works for convenience. The A versions for me also get chewed by video around 40% faster, which makes me wonder why you didn't use the included (!) EN-EL15b version and rant against the A version. I mean, come one. Why do that?
Probably deliberately.
I found that really puzzling too. Also didn't hear anything about the age of the battery they used.
Any chance your "A" version is showing age and is not holding as much charge anymore? On like a D850 you'd hardly notice the lowered capacity because they would run for thousands of shots (aka weeks) before needing recharge. But if an old "A" battery has gone through enough recharge cycle and is only holding ~60% capacity, it would explain why it got chewed through by video 40% faster.
@@ZShotinc i have an assortment of them and the newest one works similar to the oldest. I have really old 15s with a or b, those are really not suited for the Zs ;) i haven't tried a pristine 15a, but i probably won't since I won't buy more of those ;)
That bridge behind you in the intro, vaguely familiar like from a dream... I can't see for sure, there was a particular sign that was "artistrized" but other such things have been "cleaned".
:)
A great and unbiased reviews of these cameras. The pedigree of the Sony platform is more mature than the other two, but it looks like the Panasonic platform has the most momentum. These are somewhat arbitrary words. And in the end, it all depends on the "artist" to choose the right tool. Thanks for giving us a very thought-provoking overview!
If the S1R had a fully articulated screen, you would be able to flip it around and not have to worry about your nose rubbing against it.
i dont mean to be off topic but does any of you know a way to get back into an Instagram account?
I was stupid forgot the account password. I would love any tricks you can give me
@Roland Eli Instablaster ;)
@Jalen Warren Thanks for your reply. I got to the site through google and Im trying it out now.
I see it takes quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.
@Jalen Warren It worked and I now got access to my account again. I am so happy!
Thank you so much, you really help me out :D
@Roland Eli No problem :D
I would love to know about if the S1R's hi-res 180MP mode works with the silent electronic shutter, and if it combines at the same time with exposure bracketing.
Just wondering if the Z7 in the test had the update ?
I had a bit of a hands on in store today with the A7R3 and the Z7 , both really nice cameras , and while the Sony is the old veteran in full frame , I couldn't help but fall in love with Z7 , I loved the feel of it ,
and the view finder and live view was amazing .
Although conventional wisdom may say the Sony has the edge , the heart is feeling the the Z7😁.
With respect the Sony feel felt arkward and uncomfortable for someone with large ish hands.
Happy Birthday, Jordan!
Great review. One thing getting largely overlooked is that as a system, the Nikon Z7 with 14-30 f4 S, 24-70 f4 S and 70-200 f4 F is BY FAR the smallest and lightest super-high IQ landscape kit available.
Thanks.
Would love to hear more about slomo, timelapse and animation capabilities!
Personal opinion: it is great video and great comparison. But so far none of the so-called comparison has mentioned much about manual focusing, which is niche but very important for old school photographers like me... I did a comparison with my friends in studio and in field between S1R, A7Riii, Z7, X1R, M240, M10, A9, EOS R, X1D and GFX, among which A9/A7Riii outperformanced every other camera for it has the best image quality of liveview, best accuracy of peak display, and best frame rate when enlarging. I would say for any manual focusing lovers Sony is still the very best choice in terms of shooting experience, not to say it has the first class image quality as well.
While Chris is always all layered up with a jacket, Jordan is at times hardcore Canadian in a t-shirt on this fine -- brrrrrr -- Calgary spring day. 😎
Your nose moving the focus is easily fixed by turning off the touchpad feature. You can still touch to focus it just turns off the touch to focus feature when your eye is up against the EVF.
Or turn the head side way. Looking into EVF with left eye rolling to the left with nose touching right thumb base.
Now that it's more than a year after, did anyone buy the S1R? I can't find any long term reviews about it.
Not so many people...the S1 is more popular
This video in 2023 is STILL a great resource of information!
Great video guys! So awesome that Chris always has a helmet on. So crazy to see a FF Panasonic camera.
Interesting.. I have an a7Riii and an S5. I use the S5 more as its somehow more photographer friendly to me, so im wondering if i should get an S1R now they have dropped in price and i have L glass now (no not Canon)
Excellent comparisons, Chris and Jordan! I have a question...I have zero experience with Sony, and have been a Fujifilm-X shooter for about 8 years, first with an X-Pro1. My main interest is obtaining the sharpest, most detail-rich images as possible, given the constraints of time and funds. As a landscape and product STILLS X-T3 shooter (no video), Lately I feel like I've gotten the most out of the APS-C format, hence I have been debating on selling my Fuji kit (reluctantly), and moving into FF, specifically the Sony a7Rlll and lenses like the Sony 16-35 f/2.8 GM, Sony FE 55 f/2.8, and the 90mm f/2.8 G Macro . Since I shoot 99% tripod-mounted, neither IBIS nor video interests me. So, my question is, for large print output (around 24"x 36" prints), how much of an improvement in terms of image sharpness, detail rendition, dynamic range, base ISO performance, etc., would I see over the already excellent X-T3 (combined with the ultra-sharp Fujinon XF80mm f/2.8 Macro lens), when using the a7Rlll and the Sony 90mm f/2.8 G Macro or Sony 16-35 f/4 tripod-mounted? Finally, how does the new Nikkor S glass compare to the Sony/Zeiss glass in terms of image sharpness? Thank you!
is the A9 not the one from sony that combine with the z7 and the s1R
It really bugs me how low on air Jordan is on his back tyre :/
Great video! Enjoyed it a lot as always :)
FINALLY! Been waiting on this one from you guys. Thanks!
Jordan have you actually compared the video between the lower res A7Sii and the A7iii? I've seen several comparisons where the A7iii is unanimously sharper in video because of it's 4k downsampling. Were you referring to the gradability of the footage or maybe the low light performance when you said the low res bodies are "probably a better option"? I would think most videographers in this budget will choose sharpness. I hope you've actually looked at side by side comparisons of the two before making a call like that and basically dismissing the A7iii for serious video shooters.
The a7 III shoots substantially better video than the a7S II until you get to the insanely high ISOs. Supersampled 4K offered by the a7 III, S1 and Z6 will outperform cameras with 1:1 capture (a7S II) and higher resolution cameras that have to use pixel-binning because there's too much resolution to compress in real time (a7R III, S1R, Z7). It's worth pointing out that these high resolution cameras all offer Supersampled 4K in their APS-C crop (Super35) modes. We left this out for the sake of brevity.
Excellent job you guys hit this one out of the park
Not sure why you used the latest from Panasonic and Nikon but the old Sony ??? the A9R has been out for some time ...
Interesting comparison. Living in Canada's far north, where the closest real camera shop is probably a thousand kilometres away, I rely heavily on You Tube reviews to inform me as to the handling, quality and suitability of a product. All of the photographic gear I've purchased over the last decade has been the result of essentially educated guesses based on an averaging of input from hundreds of on-line sources, and so far, I feel like I've done pretty well.
Anyway, you can imagine how cool it is when someone comes to town with products that you can actually pick up and feel first hand. A week ago we were lucky enough to have the new TCSTV crew in town for a photographic festival or sorts, and they brought along the new Panasonics for people to pick up and examine first hand. We also had a Nikon rep at the same event with the new Z(ed) series cameras.
Unfortunately, handling both units quickly dissipated my GAS. I'd heard that the S1 was big and heavy, but in hand it was like picking up my old Canon 7D, but felt even less comfortable. I was struck by the brick-like feeling from front to back, and thought, "nope!" The Z7 was much better in the hand, but I found myself comparing it unfavourably with my OM-D E-M1. It just wasn't as comfortable or solid feeling in the hand.
The other thing that really struck me about these cameras was the viewfinder in the S1. Reviewers generally seem to praise its resolution, size and quality, but I didn't like it. It seemed incredibly contrasty, and again, I found myself preferring (significantly) the view through my original OM-D E-M1.
So, whats the lesson here? Well, as much as I appreciate on-line reviews, nothing beats actually holding a camera in your hands. I am now looking forward to the chance to handle the Canon EOS R. Hopefully, it will impress me where these two units didn't. I have yet to try any version of the Sony lineup so that is another form factor that I really need to get my hands on, but for now, at least, I find myself quite pleased with my aging, but still capable and reliable, OM-D E-M1. Cheers.
So you're rocking a six year old camera. If it makes you feel any better, I have a Panasonic GH4. We live in a time where we are spoiled beyond belief with amazing cameras. Just because a new one gets released doesn't mean the old one turns into slag. Happy shooting.
@@WildBikerBill You're totally right! I still love my camera, and I'm not sure that I would replace it even if I did find the "new best thing." Besides, I replaced the old 7d all those years ago with the OM-D because I wanted something that was lighter, and therefore, more convenient to carry with. The Olympus has served me extremely well in that, and may other regards. I carry it daily, no matter how many kilometres I hike into the forest and it has yet to let me down.
All that said, right now, the camera industry seems to be shifting focus, and it is fun to check out the latest tech, and imagine where things are going. And who knows, maybe some magical camera will come along that will seduce me into spending a whack of money, but for now, that doesn't appear to be close to happening.
I recently moved from Canon (APS-C) to the Z6, and have been pretty happy with it so far. The higher resolution of the Z7 just doesn't seem worth the extra cost, especially when it has to make a few sacrifices to achieve that resolution.
Happy Birthday Jordan
What lenses do you use on the GH5 when you filmed this episode?
We used the Panasonic G X 12-35mm F2.8 II. I needed a light lens with Dual IS 2 for mounting the GH5 onto the bike and wagon.
@@thatjordandrake oh ok thanks for replying. How do you manage the fly by wire?
@@Boncrek You can see that there are no focus pulls in this episode. Just pre-focused shots. I don't try to pull focus with FBW lenses.
Had a7riii and actually went to z6 for Ergos and smaller files sizes. Z mount lenses are very nice as well
Jordan and Chris stipulated in their contract that they were permitted seven (7) "zeds" per episode when on Commonwealth soil.
like the way ya'll present the camera reviews instead of just reading spec sheets : )
Comparing these three cameras, I really want to know what kind of camera you used to shot this video.
0:11 Panasonic GH5
@@AndrewPowerTower Okay, I see😂thx
just while I was going through DPreview's image comparison tool, I found s1r is better in producing fine textures in comparison with a7r3 and it was hard to find any difference with dynamic range. Was surprised to see a7r3 win the image quality. interesting perspective anyway. thank you for the video.
I've owned the a7riii since it was released. After updating the firmware a couple weeks ago, my battery life has drastically decreased. I now NEED 2 batteries to get through a day of shooting. Has anyone else experienced this?
I invested in Sony the last 5 years and I must admit that these G Master Lenses are just amazing.
Can't agree on that. I own 16-35 GM and 24-70 GM. While is 16-35 is a dream, 24-70 is so much crappier in comparison with adapted Canon 24-70 2.8L (last edition). I don't know if I got such bad copy or they all are the same, but Canon is better in any way
How does the Canon EOS R compare to the Nikon Z7?
Poorly.
It's not a high-res camera, Canon haven't launched their high-MP RF mount camera yet, the R isn't competing with these.
@@JonInLondon thank you! I'll wait to see what the RF will bring us.
8:46 wait,... why is lower megapixel better for video??
KL Tah yes indeed. I don't know the scientific reason, may be it's because it has to do less pixel read out/ bigger individual pixels can't say for sure. The GH5s is a better video camera and way better low light performer than the GH5 in low light and it has like 10/12MP resolution compared to 20MP on the regular GH5.
On Panasonic micro 4/3 cameras it's possible to press the LVF button to change behavior so that when the viewfinder is activated the screen will turn off. If Panasonic hasn't removed this feature it will solve the problem of Chris' nose changing the focus point.
Great,very professioal revievs!!! thanks gentleman
Very nice. Many aspects are highly subjective of course, but at the end of the shooting day, this is a quite balanced review that gives a good overview.
Wonderful comparison video - enjoyed it. Thanks much for sharing :)
Finally, Jordan got screen time in something besides video. ;D I was hoping for an entire video, but better than nothing! heh... Edit: And image quality, wow!
Really great video guys.
I GOTTA GIVE IT! You guys are fun.
Why did you not cover the Canon's?
too low resolution I guesse...
Canon only has two mirrorless FF bodies at the minute, both of which are nearer the Z6 and A7iii in resolution. If Canon ever produced a mirrorless body with the 5DS(r) sensor, then it'd be competing with the Z7 and A7Riii.
Great review of three amazing cameras! I missed some words about the "color science" even though this can only be subjectiver. Which color did you liked the most? Like always, GREAT work :-)
Chris and Jordan reminds me of Kai and Lok from DigitalRev
Difference is Jordan and Chris's do actually reviews... What we can't say about Kai
Please don't insult Chris and Jordan like that.
@@DustinBKerensky97 They do reviews, when We look back to kai and look 3/4 of video is about nothing Just silly actions like a clauns
Kai and Lok? Or... Kirk and Spock...!
Except I can understand what Chris and Jordan are trying to say.
Very well - nice creative ideas of presentation. Only Pink Panther is missing...smile. What about Canon R - to bad to compare?
it's not hi-res body
Interesting to see that the Pentax K-1 II had the best high ISO performance out of the bunch.
Why eos r not in?
Because it's not in the same league at all. It can't even compete with low res models of this three
@@24Steevy stop that nonsense. it has better AF than the nikon by far (even much better than the Z7). Its way better build than the sony. Has better lenses, with the new 1.2 firmware the R doesnt have the Dynamic range pull Banding anymore(the Z cameras still have). alot of more stuff like where the canon shines over the others.
Sony went pretty much full mirrorless for video eons ago, Panasonic got this insane Leica mount idea, and Nikon seemed to jump into ML game just for the hell of it because Z line, especially with the adapter, is not all that much smaller nor lighter than DSLRs.
I applaud you guys for highlighting the z7 banding and not giving it the IQ top spot when pushing 5 stops in post for that reason. However looking at Ming Theins results from a7riii sensor, the a7riii suffers with the same banding problem and posterization effects while having lower dynamic range at base and lower resolution?
Also is there an interest in you guys revisiting this breakdown semi regularly as the different camera companies release firmware updates for AF. E.g sonys new AI autofocus, Panasonic's firmware updates, Nikon's new af eye detect system and pro res raw etc...
Happy Birthday Jordan 😀 What an early gift that was. The big one even. 😄
Just about a perfect overview guys thanks.
Wow, the Sony A7R III is "the oldest" of the group so quickly. That really got my attention.
@@shiwomino5775 There was one out in the field at the back of our pop's place. In the Summer we used to climb all over it, or pretend it was a meteor.
4:15 please ditch the camera that you guys are using, the focus is out.
So why did Jordan say those high megapixel cameras aren't great for video? Dont they just down sample?
The lower megapixel versions of all these cameras supersample their 4K images, using all the information from the sensor. This creates a sharper, less noisy images than pixel- binning from these high-res alternatives. Also, there will be more video oriented features on the lower res options (Nikon Z6 will get ProRes RAW external recording, Panasonic S1 will receive 10-bit VLog).
@@thatjordandrake Basically what is the 4k to 4k super 35 to super 35 comparison for the sony a7riii and a7iii?.... OK that was it, no more questions I promise. Love the reviews you guys do by the way. The stand out being your skating sony a99ii review :-)
@@thatjordandrake Z7 has ProRes Raw ext recording, as well
Lovely video. Shot on the G5... excellent!
Great Info, gives people what they need before they go shopping for a new Camera :)
Nice job fellas as usual! Balanced review and I think you touched on all the important points and which camera is best for whom.👍😊
Wow, excellent comparison. thank you!
Thought the Panasonic might have done better in the lens category given the interesting L-Mount native cross platform sharing it has.
4:15 Loool says its a birthday gift and misses the focus :DD Intentionally??
How about if you guys switch rolls occasionally, point being that you are talking about hybrid cameras, so......uh.......be hybrid.
Thanks man for this great test. I have the A7iii and im thinking about to get the s1r, because i have big hands and the handling is very important for me. Also the s1r is weatherproof and i love it to taking photos in all weather conditions. The 3. point for the s1r is the highres mode. So imy a7iii is great for portraits, animals and sports because of the fast AF-C, but for landscapes i think the s1r is the best choice. Im waiting for the sigma lenses and then the s1r will be mine 😁
The A7iii has a [Sunny Weather Mode] to allow for outdoor viewing!!! Why doesn't anyone know about this feature! With this mode activated, the screen is easily 2500 NITS!!!
Where did you get the data of 2500nits?
Correct. I use it on my a7r3 and its amazing!
@@avinashrai11141 thin air, obviously
2500?😂😂 The best displays on smartphones top out at around 1000 nits. That too for short burst mostly.
My fav is the Z7
It's worth mentioning that those cameras are just the tools, the images you gonna produce or the videos are sole depending on the user, no best camera around, it's what best for your needs.
Not worth mentioning. Everyone already knows this
Someone always refrains this tired meaningless cliche on every camera test, guess if you have nothing of value to contribute. How sad.
Thanks for nice production vdo and content.. One thing to improve :- show some images or vdo comparison samples..
Also, One area you should compare.. which camera is "funniest" to use?… I guess, Z7.. Though I personally like S1R the most..
I don't think they would do this "which camera is the most fun to use" thing because it's very subjective. It's different from one user to another. I love using my Sony A7R III because for me it's the most fun to use especially with manual lenses like the Voigtlander lenses. Sony cameras have this double magnification feature that makes manual focusing precise and fast. Also, my Zeiss and G Master lenses autofocus are unmatched. No need to fumble with the focus points. One press and it activates the face/ eye detection. It will track your subject anywhere in the frame. Now, you can focus more on composition, lighting, etc...but all these great features might not be appealing to someone else. Horses for courses.
Great comparison and pretty sound conclusions at the end.
Chris, why do you say the D850 has better image quality than the Z7? The sensors are practically identical and the Z has a newer processor......
Pdn actually measured z7 to have more at base 64 iso. However the question of useable dynamic range probably factors into it as when you push 6 stops you run the risk of banding on z7 or striping on a7riii. Check out Jim kassons article on it. blog.kasson.com/nikon-z6-7/nikon-z7-banding/ and this provides a little more insight blog.kasson.com/nikon-z6-7/nikon-z7-pdaf-banding-faqs/
Looks like banding is extremely rare and a result of Nikon trying to apply a software fix for the stripping effect that some 3 suffers from.
It's good to be aware of each camera's gotchas.
DSLRs will always have better image quality
I have the z7 and did one once encounter any kind of banding. These are lab tests for situations that never occur in real shooting conditions.
How about a7r4
Fantastic as usual!
All in all - the winner is: Sony A7 III. Why not? Until the A7 IV is coming. For me it`s the goldstandard until now.
Sony is the Leica lens killer or is it?
And the best thing about the A7R iii (for me at least) is that it has an older brother: the A7R ii. If you don't care about animal eye AF (or fast AF for that matter) because you're doing landscapes/architecture/portraits/macro the A7R ii is a great camera. It can be picked up for 1400 or so nowadays and gives same IQ as the mark III.
Great review! Funny and informative!
This review is beautiful!! 😍😍😍
There is a fourth 40+ megapixel mirrorless option: The A7RII. And that camera is stupid cheap when you get it used. Less than half the price of any of those three cameras you tested here.
Btw.: Why not make an episode about cameras for folks mainly interested in photography with adapted manual focus lenses? There is a lot of us! ;)
The Fuji G 50R that’s $4000 should’ve been apart of this review, even though it’s medium format, it falls around the same price range. It would’ve been nice to see the differences in sensor size and tech.
Review some more Pentax
Love the S1 but with the 70-200 lens it is a wrist destroyer if you do a whole day in the streets at an event.
Another good review; thank you.