As a former German mine diver i confirm the "go up and stay there till its over" myth ... The reason is NOT only the distance or depth ! To survive a explosion close to you your MOUTH MUST be OPEN, but if you are under water, even 1 feet you are on a breathing system, no matter what. This means your loungs are NOT open and THAT is what kills you. Example : Explosion 20 meters from me with open mouth ... i will survive Explosion 100 meters from me with mouth closed ... im done. If there is a chance for a explosion nearby BREATH to your wide open mouth !
I’ve always wondered whether the paper armour’s durability problem could be helped by treating the folded squares with one of the wax or resin or whatever options they dismissed on the regular paper at the start. Combine methods.
They forgot one pretty important key attribute of an armor. Price. You could equip at least dozen warriors with paper armor at price of one steel armor. Probably more.
Armies in China were usually a mix of well trained professionals and drafted farmers. You would give the steel armor to the professionals and the paper armor for the farmers. Those farmers are only soldiers for a single campaign so after that campaign is over you just discard the paper armor.
Would have been more likely to use some kind of cloth instead of paper imo, lasts longer and cloth armour has a massive history in many parts of the world. A bit more expensive and a bit harder to make perhaps than paper, but last longer in things like rain and long marches. Paper would have been used in rarer cases but more likely to be more treated as to deal with poor conditions as that would have been of greater importance
Dont wanna sound rude, just saying: This channel belongs to a pirvate french Media Company who bought the license for this and now runs ads on it. They're not doing us a favor so no reason to thank them imo
25:00 Soldiers did not run towards the enemy. Enemy formations would still be there whether you ran or walked. Running would only ensure that you got too tired to fight when you got there. For such maneuvers, where speed was required, you relied on horses or other animals. There would be extremely rare occasions (surprising an enemy while it's on the march and not in formation, for instance) where you would have to run. Nevertheless, a few seconds would not make any difference. The enemy would still be out of fighting formation. In relation to the obstacle course, again, it did not matter if you were a few seconds faster or slower. If you have to negotiate such obstacles, the enemy is likely above you dropping all sorts of nasty things on you. So, you would rely on ranged weapons to deal with it, not on agility under a suit of armor.
The sheet steel is in no way a comparison to ancient steel used in armour. Modern day metallurgy can produce much better, more consistent and stronger, steel for the same thickness. Having it as a single sheet is also not a good comparison as s small piece is much likely to shatter. Especially if it was low quality steel.
I’m noticing something else with the paper armour, that mannequin chest is deforming a lot when struck hard in melee, way more so than with the metal armour, I’d bet there’s going to be injuries with that paper stuff which will add up like broken bones, punctured lungs/other damage to the organs. Etc. The body underneath is going to start to come apart just as the paper armour itself due to the physical trauma from the impacts.
i always wonder if you got hit with metal armor by a blunt force and the metal bends, your stuck between the metal plates... then i guess you better have flexible armor right
35:00 (Give or take) glad to see I was right about internal bleeding. At least. Proof i atleast watched most of your clip. (I normally watch the whole clip or fall asleep. Meaning it plays through)
@@TheTrueBatBrain im not sure if the tests represented or reflected for each manufacturing method. it would be interesting to see how the lacquered paper + silk armor stood up against the rain.
How fast the slide has to move, in order to fire? If you cock it against your bodypart, it needs to slip off or something to fire. That's what I think 😂
I am not sure that the Chinese would've used inch units for any of their military equipment. So, whatever they used, it is very unlikely to have conveniently been half of an inch thick.
I would not be surprised if it is close, as they would have likely used something derived from a finger or thumb (diameter in one direction, I would guess) so while not exact a half inch is a good enough estimation for a TV show that does not want to do a deep-dive in archaic measurements
We do have our version of inch though. Before the standard metric system was adopted (and even after), people used traditional units of weights and measures. 1 inch = 0.762 Chinese inches
I comment on alot of clips. But honestly. I perceived this way different to the tests they did. I pictured a sub, underwater being hit by depth charges. Laying down on the floor on the sub, makes sense. Worst case you get crushed by the sub, best case, you would maybe get mild internal bruising from things around you, and maybe water pressure. But if you stand up, youd be more likely hit by more objects, considering structural integrity of a sub. But honestly, i don't know what the hell you are testing.
The test to paper armor it´s utterly crap. The conclusion it´s right-ish, but the way it´s done it´s completely wrong. The bows and arrows are toys, not war bows with war arrows, with lot less weight and drawing, and they have not tested against the real and most common menace in a battlefield, pole arms and spears. Paper armor (or layered cloth or a gambeson, the same concept applies) offers a decent protection against cutting weapons but not against piercing ones.
Shout out to the guy who whipped that life preserver straight at Tori's face lol.
I laughed at all three times they showed it.
And then pulled it away from him as he tried to grab it
And it wasn't even necessary in this, not even shoulder deep water! xD
As a former German mine diver i confirm the "go up and stay there till its over" myth ...
The reason is NOT only the distance or depth !
To survive a explosion close to you your MOUTH MUST be OPEN, but if you are under water, even 1 feet you are on a breathing system, no matter what.
This means your loungs are NOT open and THAT is what kills you.
Example :
Explosion 20 meters from me with open mouth ... i will survive
Explosion 100 meters from me with mouth closed ... im done.
If there is a chance for a explosion nearby BREATH to your wide open mouth !
Thank you for your pro tip 👍
@@gladysbareiro9543 Youre welcome.
I’ve always wondered whether the paper armour’s durability problem could be helped by treating the folded squares with one of the wax or resin or whatever options they dismissed on the regular paper at the start. Combine methods.
Well the resins made the paper more brittle so probably not. Sewing cloth around the folded squares might have helped though.
Even thick winter clothing could stop early black powder shots if the wearer was lucky, so no surprises here
They forgot one pretty important key attribute of an armor. Price.
You could equip at least dozen warriors with paper armor at price of one steel armor. Probably more.
Nah it was mentioned at 11:35 when talking about the benefits of the armor.
Armies in China were usually a mix of well trained professionals and drafted farmers. You would give the steel armor to the professionals and the paper armor for the farmers. Those farmers are only soldiers for a single campaign so after that campaign is over you just discard the paper armor.
Would have been more likely to use some kind of cloth instead of paper imo, lasts longer and cloth armour has a massive history in many parts of the world. A bit more expensive and a bit harder to make perhaps than paper, but last longer in things like rain and long marches. Paper would have been used in rarer cases but more likely to be more treated as to deal with poor conditions as that would have been of greater importance
@@the_mini_axe2817 In China at the time that kind of paper was widely used for clothing.
Thanks for uploading these episodes ❤
Dont wanna sound rude, just saying: This channel belongs to a pirvate french Media Company who bought the license for this and now runs ads on it. They're not doing us a favor so no reason to thank them imo
One would think if the Navy is teaching it like this, they aren't joking... ;-)
They dont ..
The editing, the narration, the pacing. Everything perfect.
I was thinking about that years later. It felt very natural watching it as a kid and now I get it why
The first few seasons were what you described. Later seasons gradually deteriorated.
This episode seems to be an exception, though.
The narration: not so much; he conflates prone and supine. Duh!
@@BlankChaz ???? I'm no mother language I don't hear differences sorry
@@gekfurian “Prone”= face down, “supine”= face up. It was said in the intro segment.
I love the arms expert's elephant leg wastebasket
25:00 Soldiers did not run towards the enemy. Enemy formations would still be there whether you ran or walked. Running would only ensure that you got too tired to fight when you got there. For such maneuvers, where speed was required, you relied on horses or other animals.
There would be extremely rare occasions (surprising an enemy while it's on the march and not in formation, for instance) where you would have to run. Nevertheless, a few seconds would not make any difference. The enemy would still be out of fighting formation.
In relation to the obstacle course, again, it did not matter if you were a few seconds faster or slower. If you have to negotiate such obstacles, the enemy is likely above you dropping all sorts of nasty things on you. So, you would rely on ranged weapons to deal with it, not on agility under a suit of armor.
11:45 Grant's laugh
11:04 you would expect a spear here as well, though I'm not sure what the difference be between a spear and a arrow, damage wise
A spear has higher mass, the arrow has higher velocity. I think that the distance of the target would be the deciding variable.
Nostalgia!
Best show ever! Keep them coming!
The sheet steel is in no way a comparison to ancient steel used in armour. Modern day metallurgy can produce much better, more consistent and stronger, steel for the same thickness. Having it as a single sheet is also not a good comparison as s small piece is much likely to shatter. Especially if it was low quality steel.
At least they are using PSI per milliseconds and not PSI per 1/16th of a second.
I’m noticing something else with the paper armour, that mannequin chest is deforming a lot when struck hard in melee, way more so than with the metal armour, I’d bet there’s going to be injuries with that paper stuff which will add up like broken bones, punctured lungs/other damage to the organs. Etc. The body underneath is going to start to come apart just as the paper armour itself due to the physical trauma from the impacts.
4:55 😂😂
Super! Thank you very much!
i always wonder if you got hit with metal armor by a blunt force and the metal bends, your stuck between the metal plates... then i guess you better have flexible armor right
10:16 Why this is kinda painful to watch now?
35:00 (Give or take) glad to see I was right about internal bleeding. At least. Proof i atleast watched most of your clip.
(I normally watch the whole clip or fall asleep. Meaning it plays through)
they tested for slash stab crush and range damage, but disappointed they forgot magic
27:40 TY!
from what i've read so far, the paper armor is not raw paper but lacquered and layered and pressed
According to their research there were multiple manufacturing methods, hence their multiple tests
@@TheTrueBatBrain im not sure if the tests represented or reflected for each manufacturing method.
it would be interesting to see how the lacquered paper + silk armor stood up against the rain.
@@robertanthonybermudez5545 Silk armor was not used. It's way too expensive.
How fast the slide has to move, in order to fire? If you cock it against your bodypart, it needs to slip off or something to fire. That's what I think 😂
He also does parties
I am not sure that the Chinese would've used inch units for any of their military equipment.
So, whatever they used, it is very unlikely to have conveniently been half of an inch thick.
I would not be surprised if it is close, as they would have likely used something derived from a finger or thumb (diameter in one direction, I would guess) so while not exact a half inch is a good enough estimation for a TV show that does not want to do a deep-dive in archaic measurements
We do have our version of inch though. Before the standard metric system was adopted (and even after), people used traditional units of weights and measures. 1 inch = 0.762 Chinese inches
I comment on alot of clips. But honestly. I perceived this way different to the tests they did. I pictured a sub, underwater being hit by depth charges.
Laying down on the floor on the sub, makes sense. Worst case you get crushed by the sub, best case, you would maybe get mild internal bruising from things around you, and maybe water pressure.
But if you stand up, youd be more likely hit by more objects, considering structural integrity of a sub. But honestly, i don't know what the hell you are testing.
The test to paper armor it´s utterly crap. The conclusion it´s right-ish, but the way it´s done it´s completely wrong. The bows and arrows are toys, not war bows with war arrows, with lot less weight and drawing, and they have not tested against the real and most common menace in a battlefield, pole arms and spears. Paper armor (or layered cloth or a gambeson, the same concept applies) offers a decent protection against cutting weapons but not against piercing ones.