Hey Mark, no need to do a review on it or anything, but I think you're missing the best versions of Batman in these. The animated series, Justice League animated series and Batman: Beyond are what most people would argue to be the definitive representation of the character and his story. Great work as usual on the movies though, love your channel.
I'd definitely agree. Growing up those series made me fall in love with dc. The newer animated justice leagues as well as batman movies are really good as well being part of the dc animated universe. I think the real missing review would the arkham games which "makes you feel like the batman" where you to get do the detective stuff, kick ass, take down the big names drive around in the BATMOBILE. The best part about batmans character is being a nightmare for the average goon and that's what you get from it being in the form of a video game
maybe it's an idea for another video. The animated batman series (just as other animated properties) have immense character building and I'd love to get a deep dive into these shows!
I think the problem people have with the Snyder iterations of Batman and Superman isn’t necessarily that they’re currently violent people, but more so that we barely got to see these versions of the characters before they fell to their low points in BvS.
We got the high point of Superman in Man Of Steel, but I wished we got another movie (Man of Steel 2) prior to BvS that showed more of his good side, that could also somehow introduce Diana.. Also wished we got a movie prior to BvS for Batman and how he went down to his bad point at the end of that movie.. then, BvS. So, Man Of Steel - Man of Steel 2 - Batman - BvS.
This is exactly how I feel, I don't feel much of a connection to this iteration of batman or superman yet. So seeing them as violent dark people at their lowest point isn't as engaging when I haven't seen them at their highest point.
Do we really need another early stage of Batmans career set films? This narrative to me is such a lazy argument because compared to the MCU whom never had many iterations of their main characters, Batman has been around for almost a century. You could honestly make an assumption that any of the previous Batmans were set before BVS but regardless they are not so showing the story again would just be milking the same story been told over and over again. Superman had MoS which perfectly ties in with this film with the character arc.
@@Youllneverfindmezx don't think we need a film about his origin/ early career as batman, but a film that just establishes him and his place in the world of the DCEU ... Like give us a batman that is experienced and has a Robin that he is training. (You could essentially do a death in the family). Show us how the batman we generally know (the one who doesn't kill) becomes the one we see in batman v superman, so that we as an audience can go on this character journey with him.
It is crazy how Robert Pattinson went from being an infamous sparkly vampire to the world's greatest detective and the symbol of justice and vengeance.
Loved his acting ever since The Rover! I've actually never seen Twilight. He's an incredible actor and I hope he keeps making bold choices with the roles he takes.
You're probably very sick of Batman by now, but if you find yourself revisiting this character and franchise, I highly recommend Justice League and Batman The Animated Series. It is THE ultimate depiction of the story of Batman, and most importantly, his heart. He's a deeply compassionate and staunchly emotional man who would do anything for his friends, his family, and his city. The best parts are the story of Two Face and his interactions with the Justice League
Agreed. I daresay once Mark get familiar with Batman: The Animated Series he will understand why fans love Kevin Conroy. It is his voice, and Mark Hamill's Joker, that play in my mind when I think of something these characters would say. That series inspired a generation of Batman fans.
When you were talking about Robin's death in the comics I realised that we don't have a live action take on "A death in the family", which I would love to see. It could also be a good continuation after "The Batman" in attempt to build a Batman cinematic universe (rather than a DC focused one).
I'd rather not. Considering how DC has more or less been cramming Batman down our throats for the last 7+ years, I'm tired of Batman. They really ran themselves into the ground to where his books are the only ones that really sell but it's been getting to be too much, they gotta stop relying on the bat otherwise or they're gonna lose him too.
We would have gotten a recreation of that scene with Affleck’s Batman. Basically Zack Snyder said In the apocalyptic knightmare timeline where Superman turns evil, Batman and Joker team up(as seen at the end of ZSJL) and they would have been discussing a plan by campfire. During this joker would have brought up this incident and we would have flashed back to a recreation of robin’s death. There would have been a lot of reflection from Bruce about that and I think it would have been cool to see.
Like someone has mentioned already, 100% suggest you pick up All Star Superman as a general look at why so many people love him as a superhero. I was someone who thought Superman to be not that interesting back in high school and pretty much was invested exclusively in Marvel stuff until I started actually reading the big DC titles, Superman is a character who suffered immensely from his live action portrayal as far as "public reception" goes
Probably not the best idea to read for Mark since it's very intertwined with 35 years of Superman and by extension 35 years worth of other various DC stories, but the Dan Jurgens run of Action Comics along with Tomasi and Gleason's Superman (both from 2016), are both really good reads. It's what made me change my mind on Superman, as everything I had seen him in had represented him as emotionless and boring or really evil, and it was nice to see not only him as a more interesting character but also his family, friends, and enemies.
I might sound like a broken record for this, but definitely would be interesting if Mark ever went through the DCAU and reads comics in relation to Superman. Just to see how vastly different approaches can look, especially for Luthor and Superman
@@goku..7 Red & Blue isn't that new. Also it's you're referring to a short story in a non canon anthology. Let's not pretend current titles such as the Action Comics by Phillip Kennedy Johnson or Superman 78 are bad. Red & Blue had a lot of good stories, even the rest of the stories in issue 1 was good and aspirational.
The worst part about theatrical Justice League is how everyone blames Joss Whedon. The dude already had some serious burnout from corporate interference on Avengers 2, then Justice League comes along and DC is all like “Hey, here’s this half made barely developed film who’s original creator’s style is completely different from yours. finish it by Monday”. And somehow it’s what Joss became most known for.
Meh he's also just not that good. Avengers was good for being a first ever big hero team uo but as a film it has the same problems the justice league has. Terrible jokes and barely any good serous moments.
Superman has been misunderstood recently with the idea that he’s just considered a op hero who could snap at any moment. And one of the coolest things I believe personally is there are a few similarities between them is luffy and Superman especially with their theme songs having similar motifs and the idea of hope and freedom they both bring.
You are a very generous and forgiving reviewer Mark. Before moving on from DC, you have to check out Batman The Animated Series, Batman Beyond, and the Justice League cartoon. It’s the same Batman throughout all of them.
I know we don't get a lot of him, but I honestly really liked the performance by Ben Affleck. I felt like he really pulled off well an older, grizzled batman. Also I think having that voice synthesizer really helps compared to Christian Bales awkward throaty attempt at hiding his voice.
This series so far has been so enjoyable to watch. Only discovered this channel a few weeks ago, and you are already becoming one of my favorite content creators!
It's actually Batman V Superman.. Don't know why ppl say "vs.".. In court, the "v" is used to mean the accuser vs the accused which here is Batman accusing Superman of all the destruction that happened in Metropolis and more.
@@Zalied Well that's the intended purpose of the name so it doesn't matter what anybody thinks. Plus Snyder fans care. I'm not one of them but just saying.
@@Comicbroe405 u said don't know why that's all I was responding to as if it's some surprise that the batman fighting superman movie would be called vs given its 1 evtra letter
I actually just watched Robert Patterson's The Batman and I was honestly blown away by it. I went in expecting very little and it was actually phenomenal. Did a lot of things right and subverted my expectations, plus it juggled 4 main antagonists (I am counting Catwoman here) far better than many previous superhero movies have. Just my brief thoughts before watching the entire video, I am curious to see what you think about it and I don't want this comment to be too long winded.
Yeah. Unlike other versions of Batman, Robert's Batman is also vulnerable too. He landed on the wrong spot after the gliding through the air from the cops who went after him.
@Anime School Shooter so he sold bootlegs like lady year that's the worst his done and he isn't selling it anymore either the rest of the things he uploads and creates falls under fair use
I'm fine with with bvs having a different interpretation of a batman that kills because he's broken after the death of Robin My problem with it is that joker's still alive He's fine with killing random Russian goons who probably have families but not the mass murderer who killed his adopted son
He didn’t start killing until after the events of Man of Steel. The death of Catwoman and Robin got him on the edge. The events of man of steel was the tipping point.
I think that it's the other movies started messing that up how it was supposed to turn out between Batman and the Joker. It was implied in the 2016 Suicide Squad that Batman was coming for him but he escaped so he sent Harley to Belle reve knowing about the Waller plan. They cut a line from him he captured Harley saying " He took someone from me i'm gonna take someone from him". Everyone started doing their own thing without carring of the state of universe they were creating and that started with Zack Snyder Man of Steel, that's why it sucked at the end.
@@Dr.JonathanCrane In the Snyderverse, Robin is his adoptive son and Catwoman is his wife. This would’ve been seen in the Batfleck movie. Also, I said nothing about Harley. That was probably the comment under me.
Good lord I'm so glad he understands the Martha scene. The whole point is that Clark in his potential final moments begs him to save someone else. The alien becomes human. I'm so glad he points out exactly what that scene was going for. Edit: Jeez I come back to this and my replies descended into a whining fight. >.>
Not only that, but he gets a flashback in that moment, he sees himself as the killer who gunned down his parents and sees clark as a boy scared for his mother. He realises he has become the very thing he despises and returns to his senses. It's very subtle but once you know it, it gives a depth of that scene.
@@rph_redacted Plus Superman's arc as Lois says earlier in the movie, is that she's not sure how he can continue to love her and still be Superman. As a superhero he has to be impartial about who he saves instead of making Lois and Martha a priority above other innocents. When he tells Batman to "save Martha", it's Clark trying to make sure he's not prioritizing her just because that's his mom, but because that's an innocent woman about to be burned alive.
I guess the goons from the warehouse scene are no humans or have people they care about. Even crimminals at their last moments could beg for their loved ones, how that changes Superman in Bruce eyes?
@@rph_redacted If they have a sob story probably and that's more than I can say about Bruce and Clark. Caring about your mother doesn't make you a good person and that's my point. Batman thought Superman has the power to destroy everything (and he still has!) He needed a way to realize Superman is no danger to us, that he's willingly choosing to protect us over conquer us and again, caring about someone DOESN'T MAKE YOU A GOOD PERSON, drug dealers have family too. What we needed was: Luthor killing Martha in front of Clark and Bruce, Clark goes for the killing punch but stops, he knows he can't keep being an executioner like he was with Zod, he proves to Bruce that even if a guy kills his mother, he won't cross that line again, THAT'S how you make Bruce trust Clark and still be cautious around him (again, Superman stillhas the power to kill the whole world).
Full disclosure: I haven’t watched the full video yet (I will because I love all of your vids), but I first wanted to comment on the interpretation of BvS. I completely agree with your take on the Batflek films as movies, but I’d have to respectfully disagree on the being minimally irritated with Batman being grizzled-enough to kill angle. I’m sure that would make sense if it was built-up over several movies, but he’s a hero with such a strong moral compass that it can’t really be justified to drop us in to a world after all these traumatic events and with no characterization of this version of Bruce. If anything, I’d be inclined to say that it’s lazy to write Batman without his moral compass but with everything else the same, just as it’s lazy to compare Superman to Jesus. Edit: While I don’t like the idea of only comparing Superman to God, I really enjoy your perspective on him as a character that always makes the unforeseen option available, because that is what he is in the comics. He’s at his most compelling when he’s just talking 1:1 with someone who is struggling with mental health, or when he talks one of his villains out of a plan. Edit edit: You were right about Lex. Movie lex is nothing like the comics, while smallville (though not perfect) is much closer.
@@daddyGbaby the movie doesn't do a good job establishing Batfleck's past. Especially how it literally skips over Robin's death and Batman not having a moral code is something that has ro be established in that universe
If you want to get into the motions with Superman… pick up all star superman, For all seasons Superman, Kingdom Come, and for a more modern depiction yet entertaining and accurate comic pick up H’el on Earth. Also, H’el on earth gives more background on krypton itself.
I'll refute your point at 13:30 onwards regarding the Kryptonian ship. You should've watched Man of Steel so that you can understand this ship was the scout ship Jor-El sent to Earth so that one day Clark would find it and learn about his history with his family and people. The ship as well as the key is the codex which contains all the information from the Kryptonian archives. The robot then explains to him the information that Lex is seeking. It makes perfect sense that Lex would want information on anything he can use to either murder or frame Superman so he retains his insane belief that God cannot be all good and all-powerful. He doesn't do any of it off instinct, it fits the character considering this iteration is a young power-hungry, and incredibly intelligent tech billionaire imitating the billionaires of today (i.e. Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, etc).
Also, he had access to the ship and was conducting research on it with Lex Corp, he even had Zod's body delivered to him for his investigations on kryptonite. So, he didn't do it out of intuition, he had been investigating the ship.
This era of DC definitely has some of the most outlandish representations of characters like Superman, Batman, and Lex Luther that you explained. But if you want some of the BEST adaptions of these characters and more, as well as a better understand of the DC universe as a whole, then definitely watch shows and movies from the Bruce Timm DC Animated Universe, especially the two Justice League shows.
@@thebloodyaussie1458 he isn't actually he doesn't care his like those cancel culture dudes that cancel people and then forget about them shortly after.
4:50 this point is important to me, as hitop films once said "the movie attempts to deconstruct a batman it never bothered to construct." it just pretends it has done all the legwork the comic book storyline did when it didnt, it attempts to give all the payoff with non of the buildup of that kind of character and the message of batman returns doesnt land.
Something I would like to note is that I really love how TotallyNotMark’s avatar in his videos are still just him drawn in Akira Toriyama’s style. He’s not just a dragonball youtuber anymore and I am SO HAPPY with his channel’s growth. I love TotallyNotMark’s unique perspective and the way he spins his reviews. Even things I would not normally be interested in seeing a review for are the most gripping of entertainment from his videos. But I also still appreciate the fact that that little piece from the earlier days is still there. TotallyNotMark’s still carrying that little piece of a franchise that has meant so much to him, myself and many others, even in spite of everything with toei. I appreciate these videos and am excited to see how this channel further grows.
Correction. The branding wasn't the death sentence for criminals, because that happened only once The guy we see in the beginning getting branded is the guy who got stabbed. In the news paper when the guy was arrested, Alfred confronts Bruce about it, which means that it is a recent thing. And he only got branded and only him got killed. When Clark got the picture of the guy who was branded and killed, he got only his pictures, because there was no one else. So, so. Batman wasn't branding them so they could die in prison. That was Luthor's work.
As someone who is a big Batman comics fan, I would like to push back on the claim that the modern incarnation of Batman still kills, because he doesn't. Ever since DC's first initial reboot establishing one main-line continuity in 1985, Batman's no-kill rule has been a foundational corner stone to the character's identity (for a great example of this in the comics I recommend Batman issue 430, Fatal Wish, which takes place right after the iconic story A Death in the Family). I also would like to point out that the whole "Bruce Wayne is the mask" take isn't as universally accepted in the comics community as it may seem from out of it, with the story Bruce Wayne Murderer/Fugitive directly and explicitly contradicting that reading of the character. I also was someone who didn't used to get the appeal of Superman. The comic that changed that for me was American Alien, which basically shows how Clark's humanity is what defines the character. John Byrne's Man of Steel and the comic All Star Superman are also some of the best and most definitive Superman comics of all time, in case you're interested.
Yeah the only times Batman kills is comics going back to the 80s, it usually from one offs. The main continuity of Batman very rarely kills but Snyder made his Batman kill frequently and justified it by citing Michael Keaton's Batman which is notoriously not comic accurate 😅
Appreciate the reviews Mark! It's amazing to see you and other reviewers like Jeremy Jahns give BVS a second chance. I'm a massive Zack Snyder fan, but I can see that BVS did need a little better execution to get the general audience on board with it. I love those interpretations of Batman and Superman, and I think they get their moments to shine more in Zack Snyder's Justice League. I think it's important not to get hung up on certain versions of these characters, because the contrast of a veteran Batman and a green Superman who's unsure of who he is and what he stands for, is refreshing considering all the other versions we've seen on film. Thanks again Mark!
I think you’re still missing one of the best Batman movies with The Lego Batman Movie! It’s genuinely one of the best that looks into his psyche and his relationship with joker, but it’s just also able to tell it in a funny way
It's ridiculous how quickly you pumped out another one of these. I love that you're moving a bit outside of the anime space and into greater pop culture as a whole because I love your review style
you know, i would LOVE a review of Invincible from you, Mark. since there's 8 episodes, you could watch it 2 episodes at a time, and make review videos per 2 episodes! no pressure though lol i'm sure you may be all superhero'd out. but i think it's rather lovely ahaha
If you want the most definitive Superman story in my opinion, I highly recommendd The Death and Return of Superman (Comprised of The Death of Superman, Wake and Reign of the Supermen). It explores not only Superman as a character, his beliefs, his ideals and who he is as a person, but also how he affects the world and the people around him. We see how his presence affects people, not just the hatred of his enemies but the love of his friends and even random strangers. We see how his dath affects his girlfriend, his friends, his peers, his enemies, everyone. Hell, we explore both Superman as a symbol and icon as well as Clark Kent whose absence is also felt when Superman dies. We see how peopel are inspired by him, attempting to emulate him out of a sense of remembrance, or creating a replacement to fill the void, or taking on his name as a villainious ploy. Ths is the best Superman story ever told and EVERYONE needs to see it.
Robert Batinson is the most grounded and realistic of all the batman films I think and for that alone I loved it but the story and action sequences and overall plot it has me can't wait for your review
My biggest problem with bvs ( besides the whole characters being okay with murder) is that there is pretty much no characterization difference between Batman and Superman. Both are brooding frowning people who don’t seem to enjoy the act of helping people. Why does Superman dislike Batman’s methods. The guy killed a ton of people during the metropolis fight in man of steel so he can’t really judge.
Agreed the fight between Supes And Batman in the comics was Meaningful because of how different the two characters were It was a battle of ideologies more then a battle of strength
That's literally the point of BvS 🤦🏼. Both of them are their worse points, bruce is pissed at superman & zod, he sees him as a threat, an alien, he gets premonitions where he's evil, lex further ruins image of superman by making him look evil ( Africa & congress hall ), because of it, batman has lost his way, broke his rule after 20+ years because supes is the biggest threat he's faced. Alfred even warns him and is scared for him " How many good guys are left, how many stay that way " Superman is pissed at batman because he's branding people ( lex is killing the branded thugs to make him look bad ). Clark wants to investigate but fails so he goes as superman and gives him a warning. Now lex doesn't like superman, he's a god like being. Where was he when he needed saving from his daddy's fists? He thinks he's too Powerful to be this good so he must die. He pitches batman & superman against each other but fails in the end ( doomsday was plan b ). You can see why both characters were sad and broody in this, the plot requires it. Superman still saves a lot of people in the first half, just like bruce. He's trying his best, but the world is turned against him thanks to lex and the damage his fight with zod caused. Tldr : why are both depressed and broody? Because of circumstances in the story. Simple as that.
@ARMADA We are introduced to superman in this movie with him killing a terrorist. Both bats and supes are mad bc the other guy is killing people... but they also kill people.
Superman didn't kill tones of People, Zod did. Tossed him around buildings with and Lazered multiples building. The only person superman killed was Zod and we know how he felt about it. Batman was different.
watching Mark tackle DC has been a treat, i honestly think he would have a blast with the DCAU as well! one of the best interpretations of those characters
Hey TNM, if you want to see more examinations of how in control Superman has to be all the time, I recommend Superman vs. The Elite followed by the "world made of cardboard" scene from a fight with Darkseid from the DCAU.
I think you should know that Martin Scorsese was supposed to have directed, and was heavily involved in the making of Joker, so all those observations about this feeling like Scorsese movie aren't because Phillips was trying to rip off Scorsese, he was just added in near the end and sort of followed what he was given, which was a very Martin Scorsese influenced film and script.
That isn't even remotely true XD. He was supposed to be a producer but pulled out. Never even concidered for directing. Joker is Todd Phillips idea completely
@@TommFoolery it was literally his idea to make the joker film, why else would DC/wb entertain the idea of different joker when they already had one in universe, and mess with what they were building? Because one of the best directors wanted to do it. He wanted to make that film, but just didn't have the time to do it. He has said this before, I think he wad also wanting Leo to do it, it was a pretty big thing on the movie talkshows the whole time it was being developed.
Great video. While I disagree with some of the things you said I love that you didn't just mindlessly bash on BvS and instead talked about this version of the character and how effective that vision was executed. I would love to see you review Batman under the red hood, my personal favorite Batman movie, but I understand that this was already a lot.
It's more the fact that he strolls in and the ship just kinda goes "oh hey, totally weird living organism is trying to fiddle around with my hardware and me, being a very intelligent AI am just gonna let him go around and do what he asks because why not?". At least to me that's my pet peeve, that he could just do whatever in the ship and the ship just went "Yes sir"
Fun fact for you, Mark: In the original cut of Justice League, we learn virtually nothing about Cyborg's backstory at all. I think there are about 2 lines of dialogue with a combined length of 10 seconds that explain that his father turned him into a cyborg and that he doesn't like it - and that's it ! No, really, this is not a joke. Cyborg is just a cyborg because . . . motherboxes exist ? We learn nothing about the accident or how and why his father was able and willing to turn him into a cyborg (other than it saved his life, that's it). We learn nothing about his plans, motivations or feelings before or after becoming a cyborg other than "angry at dad for being a cyborg", even his dad's sacrifice comes completely out of nowhere and makes zero sense because they never explain what he was trying to do and we have no idea what that room/device was even supposed to do to the motherbox. The scene where Cyborg connects with the motherboxes is also cut entirely, making cyborg a completely sidelined character in the climax of the movie. All in all, the original cut would have been much better if Cyborg had been cut as a character entirely, imho. Edit: We also learn nothing about his capabilities to control banks or nuclear arsenals or the like, that entire scene where his father explains all of that to him and he tries it out to help that family at the ATM machine was also cut entirely.
I didn't watch the Pattinson Batman yet. I heard it was great. Batfleck remains my favorite batman, ruthless, efficient and smart. The fact that he started Killing people in his first movie to trying to be better after, reminded how Batman was a killer in the firsts comics after being built different. If we had a batfleck solo movie,we could've had the conclusion of his Journey to being the hero he was back then. But we didn't get that and it's a shame.
ZSJL handles that pretty well though. My theory for Batfleck's solo movie: Deathstroke, knowing Batman's identity, destroys Bruce Wayne's life, and Batman, having victory over Deathstroke, is moments away from killing Deathstroke in a fit of rage, only to be saved by Superman. I'd love to see that play out in some fashion.
i love batman but i have also found love for superman recently, and if you enjoy superman at all I really suggest the superman and lois tv series and id love for mark to cover that version of superman
Been a while since I actually watched BvS: DoJ, but I remember thinking that if they'd just gotten rid of Eisenberg and had Afflec playing the exact same character the exact same way, but named that character Lex Luthor, the movie would have made way more sense
The fact that you still think the brand (4:16) is a death sentence even after watching the UE is really interesting to me. The brend isn't a death sentence, Lex Luthor has made it a death sentence to make Clark look into it so that it'd be another reason for Superman to be cynical about Batman. I really hope that you'll read this comment.
Batman Under the Red Hood. Stand alone animated film, and easily one of the best Batman films, period. Check it out. Hell, do this with the animated films, of which there are a TON. Including the new52 based series of films.
I think the usage of the clip of "Knowledge but no power" shows exactly the division between Snyder's Lex in BvS in contrast to the more recognized vision in DCAU, SmallVille and even movies like All Star Superman. He can deliver the lines and perform in a way that shows the egotistical but also intimidating parts of Lex, but him about to crack and laugh are not features that define Lex's personality. That's why the brief scene in Snyder Cut's Justice League was so praised, it showed an evolution of the character that gave a much familiar tone, and personally speaking, added much more weight to the character, as we now saw Lex getting a development to become the guy we're used to.
That’s a lot of people’s problem with these movies. They don’t want to wait for the character development to happen. Both Superman and Lex don’t start as the classic interpretations but as the movies go on they get closer to that. Lex here still has all the underlying characteristics as all previous versions of Lex.
@@ParagonSlayer0 The only one that felt poorly made was Batman, mostly because the setting of his character is "What if we made a Batman that went through everything that led to Dark Knight Returns, WITHOUT him ever meeting Superman or any of the Justice League before?" Which i think is interesting, mostly since that's enough to make him a Batman that kills and shoots, but that's something that could have been handled better with either a solo Batman movie before BvS, or just a good amount of exposition on how this particular Batman fell on that path, which would have been much better than "suddenly Doomsday" if you ask me.
@@aquelgamermexicano I got to disagree. The movie shows pretty clearly the fallen state of batman, hell, the entire opening is about his fallen state. He has new rules with branding, robin’s dead, he expresses how everything he has done has been meaningless... it goes on. He fed up and tired. I don’t think you need a whole movie to get that across when BvS already shows exactly where the character is. That would be a good movie though, very dark. I just don’t think you always have to have the marvel formula for every series.
@@ParagonSlayer0 Completely agree with you on the formula aspect, i'm mostly saying that similarly with how Lex's personality in BvS catches people off guard in contrast to other incarnations, so did Batman to a stronger level since narratively speaking, this is a Batman that went through everything that every other incarnation went through, WITHOUT ever meeting the Justice League, which changes the personality in a lot of areas. That said, i don't think having at least a Batman movie before BvS would have been a Marvel formula, it's just something to give more room to breathe and exploration to this incarnation of Batman. In other words, i would have liked more of this Batman.
In all fairness, if Zack had been able to release his original version of Justice League, it would not have been this full four hours. He had a tighter version planned, but took advantage of the streaming medium to show us everything he filmed. Had we all got to see BvS Ultimate in theaters followed by Zack's 214 minute version of JL, though still divisive, the general reception would have been better. Unfortunately, we all know what happened, and most people can't entirely shake their biases. These are certainly the most talked about comic book films in history.
If you criticize Joker for leaning too much on homage, while simultaneously defending Tarantino, it just tells me you haven't seen most of the movies Tarantino has, at times, outright plagiarized. You can make the argument that Joker didn't bring anything new to the table, to which I'd respond that it shows declining public resources for mental health in a way that Scorsese never really did, or tried to. In the 1980s, we began cutting off federal funding for mental health, and many state run mental health institutions were shut down, all across the country. Travis Bickle is a figure of self imposed, obsessive loneliness. Everyone and everything in Arthur Fleck's life fails him. It's not the same story. And the same can be said of King of Comedy. Joker borrows, yes, but it doesn't steal. It is its own movie. Particularly once you realize how open to interpretation everything is. Is Arthur even the subway shooter? First time you watch it, it seems obvious that he is. Third time, you really start to wonder. I LOVE Taxi Driver. I've watched it obsessively for decades, and it does still offer me new things when I watch it...but it doesn't make me question whether it's all in Travis's head. If you think 'Django meets blaxploitation' is transcendent, I just don't really see how 'Scorsesean character study meets supervillain origin story' is any different.
I'm so glad that Mark actually didn't hate the Zack movies. I don't think they're masterpieces but the amount of hate they receive is just bonkers. Its a shame that in both instances a ton of people's first experience with them was through company manipulated cuts. Though I do wish he had watched Man of Steel prior and I wonder if his team even suggested it.
To many people it's like dragon ball evolution when they were wanting a more faithful adaption. Even man of steel is very polarizing. Snyder is very good at making cool visuals and images, but he's very bad at stringing together a narrative that connects all these music videos he wants to make. He hit a grand slam with watchmen and 300, and just thought he can do that for every film he makes afterwards. So when he was given the most beloved characters in comics, he's essentially desecrated many people's adult childhoods.
What i never understood about Batman v Superman is the weird fascination Snyder has with horses put in dangerous situations. There are at least three occasions where horses die or narrowly escape death
My big takeaway from Snyder and his films is how he swears he's this big comic book fan yet his characters dont really feel like their comic and animated counter parts and his movies gotta be overly long. Christopher Nolan on the other hand who didn't read any comics was able to make a complete Batman movie three times and they didn't have to be 4 frickin hours 😅
The reason I love Jessie Eiesenberg is because he has the most to grow, throughout the film and especially at the end of the Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice and Zack Snyder's Justice the cold and calculating Lex Luthor comes to the surface.
I think the chase scene with the Joker in The Dark Knight is easily the best action scene in any of these movies including BvS. The use of practical effects, scarcity of music, and just everything in that was so perfect. It's why it's considered one of the all time greatest action sequences in cinema history.
This will definitely be the most interesting video. Somehow, every single filmhere is controversial, one way or another. I like em, but I know a lot of people who don't.
I liked bvs,I mean In a way,it’s so stupid it’s unbelievable,and justice league (both versions) is just something else,they are so bad it’s entertaining to watch,like a car crash in slow motion,a lot of slow motion.
@@italianspiderman5012 no. Snyder just did a horrible job; and his 2nd attempt at 2 projects(of 3) shows he is honestly incapable of editing himself or understanding what he was trying to do. WB didnt fire him fast enough.
@@jdelgado243 oh I agree,he’s great when it comes to visuals,if you want dark and moody,but writing,oh boy,he thinks he’s smart,but that’s about it,honestly I think he should do another Star Wars film,he’s about the same league as the writers there.
@@italianspiderman5012 what star wars project did he work on? And I just do not under stand how he continues to fail upwards. Watchmen was a meh interpretation(that was still over long and could have been edited better). Sucker Punch was awful. MoS was his bect DC project, and that is not saying much because his best, and perhaps only, good decision was casting cavill as superman. I honestly believe Cavill could have done so much better with a better plot, director and vision.
@@jdelgado243 oh no I meant that he should do some Star Wars in the future,it would be hilarious,but yeah,it’s Hollywood,doesn’t matter what you do but who you know I guess
Its surreal to me that you'd rank Joker the same as Justice League. I'm sure there's more reasons to why, but since it wasn't well elaborated on, I'm just gonna leave my comment at that
You did make a mistake about Luthor. He didn't figure out how to create Doomsday by instinct. We hear the kryptonian database ai saying that the council of krypton declared that no one was allowed to try and create the deformity known as Doomsday AGAIN. Which means he was created before and the archive had exact notes of how it happened. With that and Luthor being a genius (even in the comics his intellect rivals brainiac) it's not far fetched to have him create it
Exactly. He's not some tech nerd, he's one of the smartest people in DC comics. The ship basically works on voice commands and contains information about pretty much everything.
I will be completely honest in that I have not always agreed with your analysis of different stories but I'm very glad that you understood why Batman kills and the portrayal of it.
@@OblivionKnight76 Mark only really cares about narrative and tropes, writing seems to be secondary to him, he was never going to like te chimera ant too much.
@@Sh1ranu1 I meant it more as story and themes, he doesn't always talk about specific aspects of a story, but more about how those aspects fit into diverse narrative tools and tropes. At least in his anime/manga reviews.
Gotta say Mark I am so happy I came back to your channel. I watched with the D*Z and D*S reviews and fell in love with your channel but One Pieces art style never captivated me so I went elsewhere for a while. Then I saw the Naruto reviews but in honest I have gotten away from Anime for a quite some time as the medium is huge and Adulting sucks time like nothing else. Than the Spider-Man reviews came. Wow. Thanks to my awesome Boss and you not swearing for the majority of your videos I was able to listen to them at work... and cry in the shoe room when you got the Aunt May in the Maguire films. Not only are you as amazing as I remember but you still have this level headedness that I remember. So many people I watch now are so bogged down and I get it, everybody has that. But to come back, especially after that mess with the Waves and Rocks company that shall not be named for Legal reasons, and to see you just as spry as ever. Man, you Rock!
with you mentioning that superman was more your brother's hero and that you didn't entirely get him for the most part, I would be curious to see your reaction/dissection of animated films like Superman vs the Elite, all star superman or superman Red Son. I feel like if you continue this superhero trend on you may eventually tackle the animated films and those are the ones im most interested regarding superman
Jesse Eissenberg's Lex Luthor is a Megalomaniac just like the comics, specially 'Superman Birthright'. His use of Doomsday made perfect sense as it was his plan b (he thought he could control with his blood as part of its creation), and succeeded his goal to end Superman.
Holy crap, training for a marathon! That’s awesome dude! It takes a lot of motivation and dedication but you read through all of One Piece so I believe you’ll complete your marathon.
the Animated version was basically perfect, he should just watch that. Superman is my second favorite superhero below Batman and just above Spiderman. We need better/more live action Superman movies.
That being said, it was still good. I do see why people say it is rushed, however, that is not Zack Snyder's fault because he rushed for Warner Bros. sake because they were trying to rush the exposition. It did work into full fruition in ZSJL
Now read and review all of One Punch man so you can realise what you have been missing with Muratas artwork and ONEs amazing story. Muratas art and panel structure is next level, every chapter of the manga has amazing pacing with breath taking artwork.
Fun fact in the Snyder cut instead of Martian manhunter they were going to do John Stewart green lantern. However Warner bros would not let Zack Snyder use green lantern but certain members of the green lantern core as cameos. I would love a John Stewart green lantern movie or something any day as I loved the character since I watched the animated justice league as a kid and loved the character.
Another great vid, got chills during the Justice League part. All 3 of these movie are in my top 5 CBMs ever and after watching The Batman, it's up there too. Can't wait to see the review!
@ 13:50 there was an earlier scene where he had the computer start unloading its information to him. It even references “the monstrosity” that he was about to make again. So it’s not like he just had a hunch, he learned from the ship. Doomsday was also his contingency if things didn’t go his way, which is why the process of awakening it didn’t happen until the hour time for the BvS fight was over with. He could have cancelled it at any point before that.
What I like about Zack Snyder is that he's unhinged when it comes to action, and what I hate the most about him is that he's unhinged when it comes to the story.
I think the “imitation” that occurs in Joker help serve the purpose of the ending as it could be something that Arthur all made up in his head and allows for more conversation than most movies can ever hope to come close to. All in all, I can understand your opinion and love the vid
An argument could be made that Batman in the Snyder-verse doesn't start actually killing until BvS after the nightmare dream where he's told he's right. Up until the Batmobile chase, we don't explicitly see Bruce drop bodies. After the event in Metropolis and Robin's death, all we know is Batman started branding people and becoming a lot more violent and dark. He doesn't work with the police anymore, the Bat signal goes unused for a long time. Hell, I don't think anyone even says he's a killer unless they talk about the brand. It isn't until Bruce has that premonition and the Flash tells him he was right about Superman that he starts to kill. That desperation and powerlessness finally takes a hold of him, especially when he's seen a future where Superman destroys the world: his worst nightmare brought to light. So he's desperate for the kryptonite, and is willing to do anything to get it, moral code be damned. Because right now, in Bruce's eyes, it's either a few people or all of humanity. I see what they were trying to do with this Batman, but the issue I have is Snyder. Dude can make good looking movies, yes. But seeing some of his interviews and getting insight into how he thinks about the world and the concept of heroes, his personal reasoning for making a Batman who kills is what irks me and makes me not want to love this version of Batman. Like, he wanted dark and edgy for the sake of dark and edgy for Batman. I enjoyed BvS and Snyder's League, but I cannot get myself to enjoy them fully.
Loving your work. Would u mind doing a full rundown of all the jokers that have been on tv and movie screens??? Don't forget Gothams Jerome !!!either way you got a new fan and subscriber!!!
Hey Mark, just finished watching the video. It was great as expected. That said I don't know how much you are into videogames, but I would strongly suggest to review the Telltale Batman series. I don't know if the other games are worth reviewing story-wise (since they are more action focused), but these couple of games (just like any Telltale game) are completely story focused and they tell some really interesting origins and twists in the story we already know about the Batman universe (I kinda wrote this on the last video so I'm copying this part of the comment)
@@sarafontanini7051 Thanks for the input, I haven't played those games so I don't really know much about them. Seems like I should though. It would be really interesting if Mark reviewed the Batman games as a whole then, but I don't know how much time available he has. Games take a lot more time than films haha
Superman has been my favorite character since I was 4. I had a very similar connection to the character as your brother. Because of that, I just have a lot of frustration with Snyder’s interpretation of the Kansas farm-boy. There’s some to appreciate, but I feel Cavill’s version just hurt the character more than it helped
I personally am fine with his interpreation I dont hate it but I also don't love it I feel like if people like this version I'm fine with but it's not the version that I wanna see on the big screen
The Batman is easily the best batman movie imo, I don't like dc that much, but I had a big grin on my face when Batman's theme (presumably, Idk what's it's called) played but he wasn't shown and then we see him emerge from the shadows like a badass.
See for me Batman is someone who was and is my hero ( like Spider-Man for Mark ) and THE BATMAN was everything i wanted i had high hopes for it bc i know Robert is a really great actor. And it delivered THE BATMAN is my favourite superhero movie
I absolutely adored this movie. The realism and psychological portrayal of Joker was different and cathartic. The Batman with Pattinson takes a similar approach. I think WB should continue to follow this formula with some of their DC characters.
@@ShadowKamehameha32 I think Matt Reeves will go out his way to make Barry Keoghan’s Joker distinguishable. Maybe a combination of Heath and Joaquin’s Joker. My dream scenario was to see Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker crossover with Robert Pattinson’s Batman but it seems that will not be so.
Yes, thank you for giving BvS another chance because I feel like many people haven’t given it a chance despite the Ultimate edition being a thing, and I was freakin out when you were freaking out about ZSJL because it’s one of my favourite movies ever! Amazing video
Great review. It would be interesting if you watch Justice League (2017) as someone who the first experience with the story is the Snyder Cut. Also, wanna know your reaction on the Russian family plot in Josstice League.
I love how fair you try to be with every incarnation of the character and how you try to understand each directors vision. Really surprised by your Zack Snyder’s Justice League take to be honest at least in terms of its pacing. Everyone I’ve talked to who watched it including myself never thought it felt it’s length. Yes it does have a miniseries sort of structure but like most people who binge watch it doesn’t feel as dense as a typical 4 hour or so classic epic. You can easily watch it in parts. That being said, great reviews all around.
It kind of baffles me how everyone seems to gloss over the fact that Eisenburg's Lex ISN'T Lex. He is Lex JR. He says in the movie that his dad was the Lex in front of the Corp. Lex Jr is just an abused child who prayed to God that his father would stop abusing him, but his prayers were never answered. So now that he has money and power, yes, he is a socially awkward psychopath hellbent on destroying the God that was never there for him. It's clear in the movie but people always say "But he isn't Lex..." Yeah, because he isn't. Representing Lex Luthor Jr, he's pretty accurate.
He's the Lex Luthor we know. Lex Luthor is always known as the jr, there's no JR in the comics (unless you're talking about Alexander from Earth 3, in which case is NOT simmilar to Eisenberg idea). Also, the whole God thing i just dumb: Superman is not perfect or reamotely a god, he failed Metropolis and people die. This could work if in the previous movies there wer no casualties or dstruction (like a real Superman would do) and Luthor just have this vendetta. People already hate Superman, what's Luthor's goal? That everybody hates him? That's just dumb, there are no absolutes, there's always someone who thinks different.
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Superman is so under rated. I could imagine a whole Justice League Retrospective from you!
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No batman the animated series, aka the definitive batman stories, is a full travesty and your advisor should be ashamed.
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Batman is the 🐐
Plus pls review Death Note it ain't that long
Hey Mark, no need to do a review on it or anything, but I think you're missing the best versions of Batman in these. The animated series, Justice League animated series and Batman: Beyond are what most people would argue to be the definitive representation of the character and his story. Great work as usual on the movies though, love your channel.
He’s just doing movies so Mask of the phantasm is a more easy ask than an entire universe
I'd definitely agree. Growing up those series made me fall in love with dc. The newer animated justice leagues as well as batman movies are really good as well being part of the dc animated universe. I think the real missing review would the arkham games which "makes you feel like the batman" where you to get do the detective stuff, kick ass, take down the big names drive around in the BATMOBILE. The best part about batmans character is being a nightmare for the average goon and that's what you get from it being in the form of a video game
@@rion8012 I start it playing Arkham knight and I confirm this is truth
I legit feel like Batman
maybe it's an idea for another video. The animated batman series (just as other animated properties) have immense character building and I'd love to get a deep dive into these shows!
This video series is for live action films only, so not really missing it.
I think the problem people have with the Snyder iterations of Batman and Superman isn’t necessarily that they’re currently violent people, but more so that we barely got to see these versions of the characters before they fell to their low points in BvS.
We got the high point of Superman in Man Of Steel, but I wished we got another movie (Man of Steel 2) prior to BvS that showed more of his good side, that could also somehow introduce Diana.. Also wished we got a movie prior to BvS for Batman and how he went down to his bad point at the end of that movie.. then, BvS.
So, Man Of Steel - Man of Steel 2 - Batman - BvS.
This is exactly how I feel, I don't feel much of a connection to this iteration of batman or superman yet. So seeing them as violent dark people at their lowest point isn't as engaging when I haven't seen them at their highest point.
Do we really need another early stage of Batmans career set films? This narrative to me is such a lazy argument because compared to the MCU whom never had many iterations of their main characters, Batman has been around for almost a century. You could honestly make an assumption that any of the previous Batmans were set before BVS but regardless they are not so showing the story again would just be milking the same story been told over and over again. Superman had MoS which perfectly ties in with this film with the character arc.
@@Youllneverfindmezx don't think we need a film about his origin/ early career as batman, but a film that just establishes him and his place in the world of the DCEU ... Like give us a batman that is experienced and has a Robin that he is training. (You could essentially do a death in the family). Show us how the batman we generally know (the one who doesn't kill) becomes the one we see in batman v superman, so that we as an audience can go on this character journey with him.
but hey we atleast got to see their true selves in snyder cut
It is crazy how Robert Pattinson went from being an infamous sparkly vampire to the world's greatest detective and the symbol of justice and vengeance.
It got weird in the middle with light house
He is a great talented actor and finally got his chance to shine like he deserved
Loved his acting ever since The Rover! I've actually never seen Twilight. He's an incredible actor and I hope he keeps making bold choices with the roles he takes.
I think he's just been typecast as someone who sneaks into people's houses and looms menacingly over them as they sleep
I mean in both films he's still a bat man. Maybe not that big a leap
You're probably very sick of Batman by now, but if you find yourself revisiting this character and franchise, I highly recommend Justice League and Batman The Animated Series. It is THE ultimate depiction of the story of Batman, and most importantly, his heart. He's a deeply compassionate and staunchly emotional man who would do anything for his friends, his family, and his city. The best parts are the story of Two Face and his interactions with the Justice League
Agreed. I daresay once Mark get familiar with Batman: The Animated Series he will understand why fans love Kevin Conroy. It is his voice, and Mark Hamill's Joker, that play in my mind when I think of something these characters would say. That series inspired a generation of Batman fans.
@@DuelScreen It's why Arkham is possibly the absolute best Batman portrayal
When you were talking about Robin's death in the comics I realised that we don't have a live action take on "A death in the family", which I would love to see. It could also be a good continuation after "The Batman" in attempt to build a Batman cinematic universe (rather than a DC focused one).
I'd rather not. Considering how DC has more or less been cramming Batman down our throats for the last 7+ years, I'm tired of Batman. They really ran themselves into the ground to where his books are the only ones that really sell but it's been getting to be too much, they gotta stop relying on the bat otherwise or they're gonna lose him too.
there is only one thing I want froma Batman cinematic universe.
Gotham Central.
We would have gotten a recreation of that scene with Affleck’s Batman. Basically Zack Snyder said In the apocalyptic knightmare timeline where Superman turns evil, Batman and Joker team up(as seen at the end of ZSJL) and they would have been discussing a plan by campfire. During this joker would have brought up this incident and we would have flashed back to a recreation of robin’s death. There would have been a lot of reflection from Bruce about that and I think it would have been cool to see.
Batman 2 could do that, especially since it's been rumoured that the joker will be in it.
@Anime School Shooter ?
Like someone has mentioned already, 100% suggest you pick up All Star Superman as a general look at why so many people love him as a superhero. I was someone who thought Superman to be not that interesting back in high school and pretty much was invested exclusively in Marvel stuff until I started actually reading the big DC titles, Superman is a character who suffered immensely from his live action portrayal as far as "public reception" goes
@Anime School Shooter I’m for it.
Superman American alien was a good run as well
@Dagupan Ghyle i think he got justice in BvS &
he got even more justice in ZSJL. People loved him there.
Probably not the best idea to read for Mark since it's very intertwined with 35 years of Superman and by extension 35 years worth of other various DC stories, but the Dan Jurgens run of Action Comics along with Tomasi and Gleason's Superman (both from 2016), are both really good reads. It's what made me change my mind on Superman, as everything I had seen him in had represented him as emotionless and boring or really evil, and it was nice to see not only him as a more interesting character but also his family, friends, and enemies.
For reaaaal 1000% agree
I might sound like a broken record for this, but definitely would be interesting if Mark ever went through the DCAU and reads comics in relation to Superman. Just to see how vastly different approaches can look, especially for Luthor and Superman
@Anime School Shooter if your going to reply to every comment il reply to every one of your comments.
Not a good idea since DC rape Superman in the latest comic DC is horrible for doing that to superman
True, Superman is surprisingly underrated, despite how popular he is, not that many people understand him
Lets give this thread more attention! If nothing else, itll force him to talk about how great All star Superman is!
@@goku..7 Red & Blue isn't that new. Also it's you're referring to a short story in a non canon anthology. Let's not pretend current titles such as the Action Comics by Phillip Kennedy Johnson or Superman 78 are bad. Red & Blue had a lot of good stories, even the rest of the stories in issue 1 was good and aspirational.
The worst part about theatrical Justice League is how everyone blames Joss Whedon. The dude already had some serious burnout from corporate interference on Avengers 2, then Justice League comes along and DC is all like “Hey, here’s this half made barely developed film who’s original creator’s style is completely different from yours. finish it by Monday”. And somehow it’s what Joss became most known for.
Because his shortcomings got exposed and now when you watch his other movies, you can’t help but see them
Meh he's also just not that good. Avengers was good for being a first ever big hero team uo but as a film it has the same problems the justice league has. Terrible jokes and barely any good serous moments.
Superman has been misunderstood recently with the idea that he’s just considered a op hero who could snap at any moment. And one of the coolest things I believe personally is there are a few similarities between them is luffy and Superman especially with their theme songs having similar motifs and the idea of hope and freedom they both bring.
@Anime School Shooter he only sold those shirts once while shitty nothing else you have stated are reaction channel worthy
@Anime School Shooter did I ask? how do you feel that you get no bitches
@Anime School Shooter your username is very concerning
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@Anime School Shooter bro because i replied to you
You are a very generous and forgiving reviewer Mark. Before moving on from DC, you have to check out Batman The Animated Series, Batman Beyond, and the Justice League cartoon. It’s the same Batman throughout all of them.
I know we don't get a lot of him, but I honestly really liked the performance by Ben Affleck. I felt like he really pulled off well an older, grizzled batman. Also I think having that voice synthesizer really helps compared to Christian Bales awkward throaty attempt at hiding his voice.
I think the ultimate fan service would of been for his voice synthesizer to emulate a robotic Kevin Conroy.
This series so far has been so enjoyable to watch. Only discovered this channel a few weeks ago, and you are already becoming one of my favorite content creators!
It’s 7AM for me and I’ll definitely stop what I’m doing for this!
I concur
Me rn
6:22 for me and im literally just about to sleep, just here to put it in my history for tomorfow
Ayo ong
It's actually Batman V Superman.. Don't know why ppl say "vs.".. In court, the "v" is used to mean the accuser vs the accused which here is Batman accusing Superman of all the destruction that happened in Metropolis and more.
Because Batman V Superman is a dumb name.
It's because it's a reference to how everyone talks about batman vs superman in all of comic history.
No one cared about it being a court reference
@@jessemoreno5570 Maybe.. Idrc. Would you've preferred "Son of Sun & Knight of Night" which was the 1st consideration?
@@Zalied Well that's the intended purpose of the name so it doesn't matter what anybody thinks. Plus Snyder fans care. I'm not one of them but just saying.
@@Comicbroe405 u said don't know why that's all I was responding to as if it's some surprise that the batman fighting superman movie would be called vs given its 1 evtra letter
I actually just watched Robert Patterson's The Batman and I was honestly blown away by it. I went in expecting very little and it was actually phenomenal. Did a lot of things right and subverted my expectations, plus it juggled 4 main antagonists (I am counting Catwoman here) far better than many previous superhero movies have.
Just my brief thoughts before watching the entire video, I am curious to see what you think about it and I don't want this comment to be too long winded.
Yeah. Unlike other versions of Batman, Robert's Batman is also vulnerable too. He landed on the wrong spot after the gliding through the air from the cops who went after him.
Catwoman is more of an anti-hero than a villian. I would say she is the gray area.
@Anime School Shooter Back again when will you just accept the fact that Mark’s videos fall under fair use 🤦♂️
@Anime School Shooter so he sold bootlegs like lady year that's the worst his done and he isn't selling it anymore either the rest of the things he uploads and creates falls under fair use
@Anime School Shooter but I can see you forgot the channel for a short while
I'm fine with with bvs having a different interpretation of a batman that kills because he's broken after the death of Robin
My problem with it is that joker's still alive
He's fine with killing random Russian goons who probably have families but not the mass murderer who killed his adopted son
He didn’t start killing until after the events of Man of Steel. The death of Catwoman and Robin got him on the edge. The events of man of steel was the tipping point.
@@nyameleyefekaska2895 since when is catwoman dead. Also harleys capture was after MoS but he saved her life
I think that it's the other movies started messing that up how it was supposed to turn out between Batman and the Joker. It was implied in the 2016 Suicide Squad that Batman was coming for him but he escaped so he sent Harley to Belle reve knowing about the Waller plan. They cut a line from him he captured Harley saying " He took someone from me i'm gonna take someone from him". Everyone started doing their own thing without carring of the state of universe they were creating and that started with Zack Snyder Man of Steel, that's why it sucked at the end.
@@Dr.JonathanCrane In the Snyderverse, Robin is his adoptive son and Catwoman is his wife. This would’ve been seen in the Batfleck movie. Also, I said nothing about Harley. That was probably the comment under me.
@@Dr.JonathanCrane i still dont get that though why does he save her
Good lord I'm so glad he understands the Martha scene. The whole point is that Clark in his potential final moments begs him to save someone else. The alien becomes human. I'm so glad he points out exactly what that scene was going for.
Edit: Jeez I come back to this and my replies descended into a whining fight. >.>
Not only that, but he gets a flashback in that moment, he sees himself as the killer who gunned down his parents and sees clark as a boy scared for his mother. He realises he has become the very thing he despises and returns to his senses. It's very subtle but once you know it, it gives a depth of that scene.
@@rph_redacted Plus Superman's arc as Lois says earlier in the movie, is that she's not sure how he can continue to love her and still be Superman. As a superhero he has to be impartial about who he saves instead of making Lois and Martha a priority above other innocents. When he tells Batman to "save Martha", it's Clark trying to make sure he's not prioritizing her just because that's his mom, but because that's an innocent woman about to be burned alive.
I guess the goons from the warehouse scene are no humans or have people they care about. Even crimminals at their last moments could beg for their loved ones, how that changes Superman in Bruce eyes?
@@OsSas3 are you sympathizing with human traffickers and murderers ?
@@rph_redacted If they have a sob story probably and that's more than I can say about Bruce and Clark. Caring about your mother doesn't make you a good person and that's my point. Batman thought Superman has the power to destroy everything (and he still has!) He needed a way to realize Superman is no danger to us, that he's willingly choosing to protect us over conquer us and again, caring about someone DOESN'T MAKE YOU A GOOD PERSON, drug dealers have family too. What we needed was: Luthor killing Martha in front of Clark and Bruce, Clark goes for the killing punch but stops, he knows he can't keep being an executioner like he was with Zod, he proves to Bruce that even if a guy kills his mother, he won't cross that line again, THAT'S how you make Bruce trust Clark and still be cautious around him (again, Superman stillhas the power to kill the whole world).
Full disclosure: I haven’t watched the full video yet (I will because I love all of your vids), but I first wanted to comment on the interpretation of BvS.
I completely agree with your take on the Batflek films as movies, but I’d have to respectfully disagree on the being minimally irritated with Batman being grizzled-enough to kill angle. I’m sure that would make sense if it was built-up over several movies, but he’s a hero with such a strong moral compass that it can’t really be justified to drop us in to a world after all these traumatic events and with no characterization of this version of Bruce. If anything, I’d be inclined to say that it’s lazy to write Batman without his moral compass but with everything else the same, just as it’s lazy to compare Superman to Jesus.
Edit: While I don’t like the idea of only comparing Superman to God, I really enjoy your perspective on him as a character that always makes the unforeseen option available, because that is what he is in the comics. He’s at his most compelling when he’s just talking 1:1 with someone who is struggling with mental health, or when he talks one of his villains out of a plan.
Edit edit: You were right about Lex. Movie lex is nothing like the comics, while smallville (though not perfect) is much closer.
its not that bruce doesnt have a moral compass he has just lost his humanity in the movie and finds it again through superman.
@@daddyGbaby the movie doesn't do a good job establishing Batfleck's past. Especially how it literally skips over Robin's death and Batman not having a moral code is something that has ro be established in that universe
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Also, some of the marks & scars during his topless scenes show that he is experienced.
If you want to get into the motions with Superman… pick up all star superman, For all seasons Superman, Kingdom Come, and for a more modern depiction yet entertaining and accurate comic pick up H’el on Earth. Also, H’el on earth gives more background on krypton itself.
I'd also recommend Birthright for the best interpretation of Superman's origin
I'll refute your point at 13:30 onwards regarding the Kryptonian ship. You should've watched Man of Steel so that you can understand this ship was the scout ship Jor-El sent to Earth so that one day Clark would find it and learn about his history with his family and people. The ship as well as the key is the codex which contains all the information from the Kryptonian archives. The robot then explains to him the information that Lex is seeking. It makes perfect sense that Lex would want information on anything he can use to either murder or frame Superman so he retains his insane belief that God cannot be all good and all-powerful. He doesn't do any of it off instinct, it fits the character considering this iteration is a young power-hungry, and incredibly intelligent tech billionaire imitating the billionaires of today (i.e. Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, etc).
Also, he had access to the ship and was conducting research on it with Lex Corp, he even had Zod's body delivered to him for his investigations on kryptonite. So, he didn't do it out of intuition, he had been investigating the ship.
Reasons to go to the gym:
-To be healthy | No
-To be Fit | Partially
-To be the next Batman | Yes
This era of DC definitely has some of the most outlandish representations of characters like Superman, Batman, and Lex Luther that you explained.
But if you want some of the BEST adaptions of these characters and more, as well as a better understand of the DC universe as a whole, then definitely watch shows and movies from the Bruce Timm DC Animated Universe, especially the two Justice League shows.
Justice League and JL Unlimited are goated
@Anime School Shooter Jesus Christ, this isn't even trolling anymore. You're obsessed with the guy. Get help and go outside touch some grass.
@@thebloodyaussie1458 he isn't actually he doesn't care his like those cancel culture dudes that cancel people and then forget about them shortly after.
@Anime School Shooter You mean Mark legitimately utilizing Fair Use through critique, and being wronged by Toei?
@Anime School Shooter please explain this sentence is sort of terribly written.
Haven't seen the Snyder Cut yet but that bit at 33:55, where Superman absolutely NO-SELLS Steppenwolf axe, was totally awesome!
4:50 this point is important to me, as hitop films once said "the movie attempts to deconstruct a batman it never bothered to construct." it just pretends it has done all the legwork the comic book storyline did when it didnt, it attempts to give all the payoff with non of the buildup of that kind of character and the message of batman returns doesnt land.
Something I would like to note is that I really love how TotallyNotMark’s avatar in his videos are still just him drawn in Akira Toriyama’s style. He’s not just a dragonball youtuber anymore and I am SO HAPPY with his channel’s growth. I love TotallyNotMark’s unique perspective and the way he spins his reviews. Even things I would not normally be interested in seeing a review for are the most gripping of entertainment from his videos. But I also still appreciate the fact that that little piece from the earlier days is still there. TotallyNotMark’s still carrying that little piece of a franchise that has meant so much to him, myself and many others, even in spite of everything with toei. I appreciate these videos and am excited to see how this channel further grows.
Correction. The branding wasn't the death sentence for criminals, because that happened only once The guy we see in the beginning getting branded is the guy who got stabbed. In the news paper when the guy was arrested, Alfred confronts Bruce about it, which means that it is a recent thing. And he only got branded and only him got killed.
When Clark got the picture of the guy who was branded and killed, he got only his pictures, because there was no one else.
So, so. Batman wasn't branding them so they could die in prison. That was Luthor's work.
Thanks for the love for Batman v Superman, this movie is so underrated
As someone who is a big Batman comics fan, I would like to push back on the claim that the modern incarnation of Batman still kills, because he doesn't. Ever since DC's first initial reboot establishing one main-line continuity in 1985, Batman's no-kill rule has been a foundational corner stone to the character's identity (for a great example of this in the comics I recommend Batman issue 430, Fatal Wish, which takes place right after the iconic story A Death in the Family). I also would like to point out that the whole "Bruce Wayne is the mask" take isn't as universally accepted in the comics community as it may seem from out of it, with the story Bruce Wayne Murderer/Fugitive directly and explicitly contradicting that reading of the character.
I also was someone who didn't used to get the appeal of Superman. The comic that changed that for me was American Alien, which basically shows how Clark's humanity is what defines the character. John Byrne's Man of Steel and the comic All Star Superman are also some of the best and most definitive Superman comics of all time, in case you're interested.
Yeah the only times Batman kills is comics going back to the 80s, it usually from one offs. The main continuity of Batman very rarely kills but Snyder made his Batman kill frequently and justified it by citing Michael Keaton's Batman which is notoriously not comic accurate 😅
Appreciate the reviews Mark! It's amazing to see you and other reviewers like Jeremy Jahns give BVS a second chance. I'm a massive Zack Snyder fan, but I can see that BVS did need a little better execution to get the general audience on board with it. I love those interpretations of Batman and Superman, and I think they get their moments to shine more in Zack Snyder's Justice League. I think it's important not to get hung up on certain versions of these characters, because the contrast of a veteran Batman and a green Superman who's unsure of who he is and what he stands for, is refreshing considering all the other versions we've seen on film. Thanks again Mark!
The editor is having fun playing the WW theme every time she's mentioned
I think you’re still missing one of the best Batman movies with The Lego Batman Movie! It’s genuinely one of the best that looks into his psyche and his relationship with joker, but it’s just also able to tell it in a funny way
It's ridiculous how quickly you pumped out another one of these. I love that you're moving a bit outside of the anime space and into greater pop culture as a whole because I love your review style
The thing you do with Wonder Woman every time she shows up never failed to get a chuckle out of me.
you know, i would LOVE a review of Invincible from you, Mark. since there's 8 episodes, you could watch it 2 episodes at a time, and make review videos per 2 episodes! no pressure though lol i'm sure you may be all superhero'd out. but i think it's rather lovely ahaha
I think Mark would just do the comic version of Invincible if he ever covers it
@@Blackhawk211 aah likely so, which in this situation specifically is a bit unfortunate
If you want the most definitive Superman story in my opinion, I highly recommendd The Death and Return of Superman (Comprised of The Death of Superman, Wake and Reign of the Supermen). It explores not only Superman as a character, his beliefs, his ideals and who he is as a person, but also how he affects the world and the people around him. We see how his presence affects people, not just the hatred of his enemies but the love of his friends and even random strangers. We see how his dath affects his girlfriend, his friends, his peers, his enemies, everyone. Hell, we explore both Superman as a symbol and icon as well as Clark Kent whose absence is also felt when Superman dies. We see how peopel are inspired by him, attempting to emulate him out of a sense of remembrance, or creating a replacement to fill the void, or taking on his name as a villainious ploy.
Ths is the best Superman story ever told and EVERYONE needs to see it.
Robert Batinson is the most grounded and realistic of all the batman films I think and for that alone I loved it
but the story and action sequences and overall plot it has me
can't wait for your review
My biggest problem with bvs ( besides the whole characters being okay with murder) is that there is pretty much no characterization difference between Batman and Superman. Both are brooding frowning people who don’t seem to enjoy the act of helping people. Why does Superman dislike Batman’s methods. The guy killed a ton of people during the metropolis fight in man of steel so he can’t really judge.
Agreed the fight between Supes And Batman in the comics was
Meaningful because of how different the two characters were
It was a battle of ideologies more then a battle of strength
That's literally the point of BvS 🤦🏼. Both of them are their worse points, bruce is pissed at superman & zod, he sees him as a threat, an alien, he gets premonitions where he's evil, lex further ruins image of superman by making him look evil ( Africa & congress hall ), because of it, batman has lost his way, broke his rule after 20+ years because supes is the biggest threat he's faced. Alfred even warns him and is scared for him
" How many good guys are left, how many stay that way "
Superman is pissed at batman because he's branding people ( lex is killing the branded thugs to make him look bad ). Clark wants to investigate but fails so he goes as superman and gives him a warning.
Now lex doesn't like superman, he's a god like being. Where was he when he needed saving from his daddy's fists?
He thinks he's too Powerful to be this good so he must die. He pitches batman & superman against each other but fails in the end ( doomsday was plan b ).
You can see why both characters were sad and broody in this, the plot requires it. Superman still saves a lot of people in the first half, just like bruce. He's trying his best, but the world is turned against him thanks to lex and the damage his fight with zod caused.
Tldr : why are both depressed and broody? Because of circumstances in the story. Simple as that.
@ARMADA We are introduced to superman in this movie with him killing a terrorist. Both bats and supes are mad bc the other guy is killing people... but they also kill people.
Superman didn't kill tones of People, Zod did. Tossed him around buildings with and Lazered multiples building. The only person superman killed was Zod and we know how he felt about it. Batman was different.
@ARMADA right he didn’t kill goons, he only (if accidentally) killed thousands of people in the metropolis fiasco
watching Mark tackle DC has been a treat, i honestly think he would have a blast with the DCAU as well! one of the best interpretations of those characters
Hey TNM, if you want to see more examinations of how in control Superman has to be all the time, I recommend Superman vs. The Elite followed by the "world made of cardboard" scene from a fight with Darkseid from the DCAU.
I think you should know that Martin Scorsese was supposed to have directed, and was heavily involved in the making of Joker, so all those observations about this feeling like Scorsese movie aren't because Phillips was trying to rip off Scorsese, he was just added in near the end and sort of followed what he was given, which was a very Martin Scorsese influenced film and script.
That isn't even remotely true XD. He was supposed to be a producer but pulled out. Never even concidered for directing. Joker is Todd Phillips idea completely
@@TommFoolery it was literally his idea to make the joker film, why else would DC/wb entertain the idea of different joker when they already had one in universe, and mess with what they were building? Because one of the best directors wanted to do it. He wanted to make that film, but just didn't have the time to do it. He has said this before, I think he wad also wanting Leo to do it, it was a pretty big thing on the movie talkshows the whole time it was being developed.
Great video. While I disagree with some of the things you said I love that you didn't just mindlessly bash on BvS and instead talked about this version of the character and how effective that vision was executed. I would love to see you review Batman under the red hood, my personal favorite Batman movie, but I understand that this was already a lot.
Doesn't the ship actually tell him everything, that's why he knows how to Revive Zod.
it does and everyone forgets that tidbit
Exactly 💯
It's more the fact that he strolls in and the ship just kinda goes "oh hey, totally weird living organism is trying to fiddle around with my hardware and me, being a very intelligent AI am just gonna let him go around and do what he asks because why not?". At least to me that's my pet peeve, that he could just do whatever in the ship and the ship just went "Yes sir"
@@bioraidos5454 used zods fingerprints to gain access in the first place it the ship thinks he had zods permission
@@Crim-kun Thank you!!! People really dont pay attention to little details. They complain about things which have already been explained.
Fun fact for you, Mark: In the original cut of Justice League, we learn virtually nothing about Cyborg's backstory at all. I think there are about 2 lines of dialogue with a combined length of 10 seconds that explain that his father turned him into a cyborg and that he doesn't like it - and that's it ! No, really, this is not a joke. Cyborg is just a cyborg because . . . motherboxes exist ? We learn nothing about the accident or how and why his father was able and willing to turn him into a cyborg (other than it saved his life, that's it).
We learn nothing about his plans, motivations or feelings before or after becoming a cyborg other than "angry at dad for being a cyborg", even his dad's sacrifice comes completely out of nowhere and makes zero sense because they never explain what he was trying to do and we have no idea what that room/device was even supposed to do to the motherbox. The scene where Cyborg connects with the motherboxes is also cut entirely, making cyborg a completely sidelined character in the climax of the movie. All in all, the original cut would have been much better if Cyborg had been cut as a character entirely, imho.
Edit: We also learn nothing about his capabilities to control banks or nuclear arsenals or the like, that entire scene where his father explains all of that to him and he tries it out to help that family at the ATM machine was also cut entirely.
Cyborg’s dad didn’t die in the original cut tho... he is in the montage at the end of the movie with Victor helping him to develop his powers.
I didn't watch the Pattinson Batman yet. I heard it was great.
Batfleck remains my favorite batman, ruthless, efficient and smart. The fact that he started Killing people in his first movie to trying to be better after, reminded how Batman was a killer in the firsts comics after being built different.
If we had a batfleck solo movie,we could've had the conclusion of his Journey to being the hero he was back then. But we didn't get that and it's a shame.
ZSJL handles that pretty well though.
My theory for Batfleck's solo movie: Deathstroke, knowing Batman's identity, destroys Bruce Wayne's life, and Batman, having victory over Deathstroke, is moments away from killing Deathstroke in a fit of rage, only to be saved by Superman.
I'd love to see that play out in some fashion.
@@RockStationForChrist Yep i think that were he was going with. But sadly WB decided to make pour decisions.
Ghost of Kiev story is indeed fake. The footage of the plane was took from a game😂
The plot twist in Joker is CRAZY, loved it!
@Anime School Shooter oh boy does he talk about the shirts or the videos which are reviews and not Suzy lu levels of content stealing.
@Anime School Shooter so how obsessive are you
@Anime School Shooter 334 comments?
Good Lord! Just how much of a Toei simp are you?
Poor twist: you complaining about Mark is only making him stronger ;p
i love batman but i have also found love for superman recently, and if you enjoy superman at all I really suggest the superman and lois tv series and id love for mark to cover that version of superman
Been a while since I actually watched BvS: DoJ, but I remember thinking that if they'd just gotten rid of Eisenberg and had Afflec playing the exact same character the exact same way, but named that character Lex Luthor, the movie would have made way more sense
Damn! That makes a lot of sense. :D
The fact that you still think the brand (4:16) is a death sentence even after watching the UE is really interesting to me. The brend isn't a death sentence, Lex Luthor has made it a death sentence to make Clark look into it so that it'd be another reason for Superman to be cynical about Batman.
I really hope that you'll read this comment.
Facts
Batman Under the Red Hood. Stand alone animated film, and easily one of the best Batman films, period. Check it out. Hell, do this with the animated films, of which there are a TON. Including the new52 based series of films.
I think the usage of the clip of "Knowledge but no power" shows exactly the division between Snyder's Lex in BvS in contrast to the more recognized vision in DCAU, SmallVille and even movies like All Star Superman. He can deliver the lines and perform in a way that shows the egotistical but also intimidating parts of Lex, but him about to crack and laugh are not features that define Lex's personality.
That's why the brief scene in Snyder Cut's Justice League was so praised, it showed an evolution of the character that gave a much familiar tone, and personally speaking, added much more weight to the character, as we now saw Lex getting a development to become the guy we're used to.
That’s a lot of people’s problem with these movies. They don’t want to wait for the character development to happen. Both Superman and Lex don’t start as the classic interpretations but as the movies go on they get closer to that. Lex here still has all the underlying characteristics as all previous versions of Lex.
@@ParagonSlayer0 The only one that felt poorly made was Batman, mostly because the setting of his character is "What if we made a Batman that went through everything that led to Dark Knight Returns, WITHOUT him ever meeting Superman or any of the Justice League before?"
Which i think is interesting, mostly since that's enough to make him a Batman that kills and shoots, but that's something that could have been handled better with either a solo Batman movie before BvS, or just a good amount of exposition on how this particular Batman fell on that path, which would have been much better than "suddenly Doomsday" if you ask me.
@@aquelgamermexicano I got to disagree. The movie shows pretty clearly the fallen state of batman, hell, the entire opening is about his fallen state. He has new rules with branding, robin’s dead, he expresses how everything he has done has been meaningless... it goes on. He fed up and tired. I don’t think you need a whole movie to get that across when BvS already shows exactly where the character is.
That would be a good movie though, very dark. I just don’t think you always have to have the marvel formula for every series.
@@ParagonSlayer0 Completely agree with you on the formula aspect, i'm mostly saying that similarly with how Lex's personality in BvS catches people off guard in contrast to other incarnations, so did Batman to a stronger level since narratively speaking, this is a Batman that went through everything that every other incarnation went through, WITHOUT ever meeting the Justice League, which changes the personality in a lot of areas.
That said, i don't think having at least a Batman movie before BvS would have been a Marvel formula, it's just something to give more room to breathe and exploration to this incarnation of Batman. In other words, i would have liked more of this Batman.
In all fairness, if Zack had been able to release his original version of Justice League, it would not have been this full four hours. He had a tighter version planned, but took advantage of the streaming medium to show us everything he filmed. Had we all got to see BvS Ultimate in theaters followed by Zack's 214 minute version of JL, though still divisive, the general reception would have been better. Unfortunately, we all know what happened, and most people can't entirely shake their biases. These are certainly the most talked about comic book films in history.
Love how the editor put the "ancient lamantation music" everytime wonderwoman appeared on screen lmao
If you criticize Joker for leaning too much on homage, while simultaneously defending Tarantino, it just tells me you haven't seen most of the movies Tarantino has, at times, outright plagiarized. You can make the argument that Joker didn't bring anything new to the table, to which I'd respond that it shows declining public resources for mental health in a way that Scorsese never really did, or tried to. In the 1980s, we began cutting off federal funding for mental health, and many state run mental health institutions were shut down, all across the country. Travis Bickle is a figure of self imposed, obsessive loneliness. Everyone and everything in Arthur Fleck's life fails him. It's not the same story. And the same can be said of King of Comedy. Joker borrows, yes, but it doesn't steal. It is its own movie. Particularly once you realize how open to interpretation everything is. Is Arthur even the subway shooter? First time you watch it, it seems obvious that he is. Third time, you really start to wonder. I LOVE Taxi Driver. I've watched it obsessively for decades, and it does still offer me new things when I watch it...but it doesn't make me question whether it's all in Travis's head. If you think 'Django meets blaxploitation' is transcendent, I just don't really see how 'Scorsesean character study meets supervillain origin story' is any different.
I'm so glad that Mark actually didn't hate the Zack movies. I don't think they're masterpieces but the amount of hate they receive is just bonkers. Its a shame that in both instances a ton of people's first experience with them was through company manipulated cuts. Though I do wish he had watched Man of Steel prior and I wonder if his team even suggested it.
To many people it's like dragon ball evolution when they were wanting a more faithful adaption. Even man of steel is very polarizing. Snyder is very good at making cool visuals and images, but he's very bad at stringing together a narrative that connects all these music videos he wants to make. He hit a grand slam with watchmen and 300, and just thought he can do that for every film he makes afterwards. So when he was given the most beloved characters in comics, he's essentially desecrated many people's adult childhoods.
What i never understood about Batman v Superman is the weird fascination Snyder has with horses put in dangerous situations. There are at least three occasions where horses die or narrowly escape death
You could almost says he's....beating a dead horse! *buh-dum-cha*...?
@@ZomgRuler i wouldn't go that far honestly, it's possible that he was just... horsing around?
@@endeav0r_49 Haha clever 😎
They symbolize death
@@yeetcity2704 do you really need to symbolize death in the same scene a fucking condo is collapsing with people likely still in it?
Flash running past Superman and Supermans eye moving to follow him was THE best moment of the movie, no cap.
My big takeaway from Snyder and his films is how he swears he's this big comic book fan yet his characters dont really feel like their comic and animated counter parts and his movies gotta be overly long. Christopher Nolan on the other hand who didn't read any comics was able to make a complete Batman movie three times and they didn't have to be 4 frickin hours 😅
What?
@@applemansr2688 I rest my case. Snyder's movies are overrated and not good because he doesn't understand the characters
I feel Batman: The Animated Series also deserves a look as well. Probably the best representation of the Batman I've ever seen.
The reason I love Jessie Eiesenberg is because he has the most to grow, throughout the film and especially at the end of the Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice and Zack Snyder's Justice the cold and calculating Lex Luthor comes to the surface.
He’s not going to grow though? What are you talking about lol
@@jinxluvver3909 he did though
@@alfa01spotivo explain how
You should do one laat short video summarizing your overall thoughts of your journey through Batman
11:20 It's funny because Zuckerberg is more of an evil sociopath than Lex.
"I pirated it and still felt ripped off."
God damn. That is simultaneously both scathing and hilarious. 10/10...
for the review not the movie.
I think the chase scene with the Joker in The Dark Knight is easily the best action scene in any of these movies including BvS. The use of practical effects, scarcity of music, and just everything in that was so perfect. It's why it's considered one of the all time greatest action sequences in cinema history.
This will definitely be the most interesting video. Somehow, every single filmhere is controversial, one way or another. I like em, but I know a lot of people who don't.
I liked bvs,I mean In a way,it’s so stupid it’s unbelievable,and justice league (both versions) is just something else,they are so bad it’s entertaining to watch,like a car crash in slow motion,a lot of slow motion.
@@italianspiderman5012 no. Snyder just did a horrible job; and his 2nd attempt at 2 projects(of 3) shows he is honestly incapable of editing himself or understanding what he was trying to do. WB didnt fire him fast enough.
@@jdelgado243 oh I agree,he’s great when it comes to visuals,if you want dark and moody,but writing,oh boy,he thinks he’s smart,but that’s about it,honestly I think he should do another Star Wars film,he’s about the same league as the writers there.
@@italianspiderman5012 what star wars project did he work on? And I just do not under stand how he continues to fail upwards. Watchmen was a meh interpretation(that was still over long and could have been edited better). Sucker Punch was awful. MoS was his bect DC project, and that is not saying much because his best, and perhaps only, good decision was casting cavill as superman. I honestly believe Cavill could have done so much better with a better plot, director and vision.
@@jdelgado243 oh no I meant that he should do some Star Wars in the future,it would be hilarious,but yeah,it’s Hollywood,doesn’t matter what you do but who you know I guess
Love snyders comicbook films, love the epic, the scale, the storys, the action, the themes, the directing and Soundtracks
Its surreal to me that you'd rank Joker the same as Justice League. I'm sure there's more reasons to why, but since it wasn't well elaborated on, I'm just gonna leave my comment at that
it's been a great series, mark, and i'm glad to see this last episode. see you next week with what i hope is the 5 kage summit!
You did make a mistake about Luthor. He didn't figure out how to create Doomsday by instinct. We hear the kryptonian database ai saying that the council of krypton declared that no one was allowed to try and create the deformity known as Doomsday AGAIN. Which means he was created before and the archive had exact notes of how it happened. With that and Luthor being a genius (even in the comics his intellect rivals brainiac) it's not far fetched to have him create it
Exactly. He's not some tech nerd, he's one of the smartest people in DC comics. The ship basically works on voice commands and contains information about pretty much everything.
@@rph_redacted Plus he got access with Zod's fingerprints, so the ship thought Zod gave permission for Lex to know all of that.
I will be completely honest in that I have not always agreed with your analysis of different stories but I'm very glad that you understood why Batman kills and the portrayal of it.
to bad we didn't get a movie of it and a lot of people missed out on a great story
I love Mark, but I'm still a bit salty about his HxH Ant Arc review
@@OblivionKnight76 Mark only really cares about narrative and tropes, writing seems to be secondary to him, he was never going to like te chimera ant too much.
@@sted21 is narrative and the use of tropes not writing?
@@Sh1ranu1 I meant it more as story and themes, he doesn't always talk about specific aspects of a story, but more about how those aspects fit into diverse narrative tools and tropes.
At least in his anime/manga reviews.
Gotta say Mark I am so happy I came back to your channel. I watched with the D*Z and D*S reviews and fell in love with your channel but One Pieces art style never captivated me so I went elsewhere for a while. Then I saw the Naruto reviews but in honest I have gotten away from Anime for a quite some time as the medium is huge and Adulting sucks time like nothing else. Than the Spider-Man reviews came. Wow. Thanks to my awesome Boss and you not swearing for the majority of your videos I was able to listen to them at work... and cry in the shoe room when you got the Aunt May in the Maguire films. Not only are you as amazing as I remember but you still have this level headedness that I remember. So many people I watch now are so bogged down and I get it, everybody has that. But to come back, especially after that mess with the Waves and Rocks company that shall not be named for Legal reasons, and to see you just as spry as ever. Man, you Rock!
The Batman was phenomenal! Loved every second of it
Ikr i saw it yesterday NGL it's my favourite movie. I just loved it
with you mentioning that superman was more your brother's hero and that you didn't entirely get him for the most part, I would be curious to see your reaction/dissection of animated films like Superman vs the Elite, all star superman or superman Red Son. I feel like if you continue this superhero trend on you may eventually tackle the animated films and those are the ones im most interested regarding superman
Jesse Eissenberg's Lex Luthor is a Megalomaniac just like the comics, specially 'Superman Birthright'.
His use of Doomsday made perfect sense as it was his plan b (he thought he could control with his blood as part of its creation), and succeeded his goal to end Superman.
Holy crap, training for a marathon! That’s awesome dude! It takes a lot of motivation and dedication but you read through all of One Piece so I believe you’ll complete your marathon.
The Death of Superman with his fight of Doomsday could’ve been saved for a Man of Steel sequel.
the Animated version was basically perfect, he should just watch that. Superman is my second favorite superhero below Batman and just above Spiderman. We need better/more live action Superman movies.
That being said, it was still good. I do see why people say it is rushed, however, that is not Zack Snyder's fault because he rushed for Warner Bros. sake because they were trying to rush the exposition. It did work into full fruition in ZSJL
Batman V Superman easily has my favorite version of Batman besides Pattinson. The brutality and weathered nature is amazing
Now read and review all of One Punch man so you can realise what you have been missing with Muratas artwork and ONEs amazing story. Muratas art and panel structure is next level, every chapter of the manga has amazing pacing with breath taking artwork.
He has too finish naruto first
Bro, he’s literally got all of the One Punch Man in the background of his setup, I’m sure he’s read it
That sounds rude as fuck
@@4LegCrotch Yet he has never reviewed it? Even if he stopped before the monster association arc seems like a shame not to review such a great manga.
Fun fact in the Snyder cut instead of Martian manhunter they were going to do John Stewart green lantern. However Warner bros would not let Zack Snyder use green lantern but certain members of the green lantern core as cameos. I would love a John Stewart green lantern movie or something any day as I loved the character since I watched the animated justice league as a kid and loved the character.
John Stewart then Kyle Rayner are my faves, can’t wait to see them on the big screen
Another great vid, got chills during the Justice League part. All 3 of these movie are in my top 5 CBMs ever and after watching The Batman, it's up there too. Can't wait to see the review!
@ 13:50 there was an earlier scene where he had the computer start unloading its information to him. It even references “the monstrosity” that he was about to make again. So it’s not like he just had a hunch, he learned from the ship. Doomsday was also his contingency if things didn’t go his way, which is why the process of awakening it didn’t happen until the hour time for the BvS fight was over with. He could have cancelled it at any point before that.
What I like about Zack Snyder is that he's unhinged when it comes to action, and what I hate the most about him is that he's unhinged when it comes to the story.
It’s popular to believe Superman gets his power from Earth’s yellow sun, but in actual fact, they come from John Williams.
The Smallville version of Lex is the BEST version there is.
DCAU's version is better imo.
I think the “imitation” that occurs in Joker help serve the purpose of the ending as it could be something that Arthur all made up in his head and allows for more conversation than most movies can ever hope to come close to. All in all, I can understand your opinion and love the vid
An argument could be made that Batman in the Snyder-verse doesn't start actually killing until BvS after the nightmare dream where he's told he's right. Up until the Batmobile chase, we don't explicitly see Bruce drop bodies. After the event in Metropolis and Robin's death, all we know is Batman started branding people and becoming a lot more violent and dark. He doesn't work with the police anymore, the Bat signal goes unused for a long time. Hell, I don't think anyone even says he's a killer unless they talk about the brand. It isn't until Bruce has that premonition and the Flash tells him he was right about Superman that he starts to kill. That desperation and powerlessness finally takes a hold of him, especially when he's seen a future where Superman destroys the world: his worst nightmare brought to light. So he's desperate for the kryptonite, and is willing to do anything to get it, moral code be damned. Because right now, in Bruce's eyes, it's either a few people or all of humanity.
I see what they were trying to do with this Batman, but the issue I have is Snyder. Dude can make good looking movies, yes. But seeing some of his interviews and getting insight into how he thinks about the world and the concept of heroes, his personal reasoning for making a Batman who kills is what irks me and makes me not want to love this version of Batman. Like, he wanted dark and edgy for the sake of dark and edgy for Batman. I enjoyed BvS and Snyder's League, but I cannot get myself to enjoy them fully.
Snyder "only" directed the film. You should have issues with the writers not with him.
Loving your work. Would u mind doing a full rundown of all the jokers that have been on tv and movie screens??? Don't forget Gothams Jerome !!!either way you got a new fan and subscriber!!!
Hey Mark, just finished watching the video. It was great as expected.
That said I don't know how much you are into videogames, but I would strongly suggest to review the Telltale Batman series. I don't know if the other games are worth reviewing story-wise (since they are more action focused), but these couple of games (just like any Telltale game) are completely story focused and they tell some really interesting origins and twists in the story we already know about the Batman universe
(I kinda wrote this on the last video so I'm copying this part of the comment)
Batman Arkham Asylum and Batman Arkham City are great games, though AC honestly has a some issues with its plot I cannot see past.
@@sarafontanini7051 Thanks for the input, I haven't played those games so I don't really know much about them. Seems like I should though.
It would be really interesting if Mark reviewed the Batman games as a whole then, but I don't know how much time available he has. Games take a lot more time than films haha
Ugh(excited ugh)!!! That Dan Mora art at the end! I LOVE his work. Such a good artist
Superman has been my favorite character since I was 4. I had a very similar connection to the character as your brother. Because of that, I just have a lot of frustration with Snyder’s interpretation of the Kansas farm-boy. There’s some to appreciate, but I feel Cavill’s version just hurt the character more than it helped
I personally am fine with his interpreation I dont hate it but I also don't love it I feel like if people like this version I'm fine with but it's not the version that I wanna see on the big screen
I would yet again 100% recommend you come back for one last video on Lego Batman, it is not a joke film and so worth it
The Batman is easily the best batman movie imo, I don't like dc that much, but I had a big grin on my face when Batman's theme (presumably, Idk what's it's called) played but he wasn't shown and then we see him emerge from the shadows like a badass.
See for me Batman is someone who was and is my hero ( like Spider-Man for Mark ) and THE BATMAN was everything i wanted i had high hopes for it bc i know Robert is a really great actor. And it delivered THE BATMAN is my favourite superhero movie
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The Batman made me feel like a young kid again.
I absolutely adored this movie. The realism and psychological portrayal of Joker was different and cathartic. The Batman with Pattinson takes a similar approach. I think WB should continue to follow this formula with some of their DC characters.
I wonder The Joker will turn up in Pattinsons Batman sequels...and I wonder more if it'll be Phoenix's portrayal.
@@ShadowKamehameha32 I think Matt Reeves will go out his way to make Barry Keoghan’s Joker distinguishable. Maybe a combination of Heath and Joaquin’s Joker. My dream scenario was to see Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker crossover with Robert Pattinson’s Batman but it seems that will not be so.
Yes, thank you for giving BvS another chance because I feel like many people haven’t given it a chance despite the Ultimate edition being a thing, and I was freakin out when you were freaking out about ZSJL because it’s one of my favourite movies ever! Amazing video
Great review. It would be interesting if you watch Justice League (2017) as someone who the first experience with the story is the Snyder Cut. Also, wanna know your reaction on the Russian family plot in Josstice League.
I love how fair you try to be with every incarnation of the character and how you try to understand each directors vision. Really surprised by your Zack Snyder’s Justice League take to be honest at least in terms of its pacing. Everyone I’ve talked to who watched it including myself never thought it felt it’s length. Yes it does have a miniseries sort of structure but like most people who binge watch it doesn’t feel as dense as a typical 4 hour or so classic epic. You can easily watch it in parts. That being said, great reviews all around.
18:09 It make sense in the context of natman dealing with a joker who is constantly pushing his buttons to see if he will kill him
It kind of baffles me how everyone seems to gloss over the fact that Eisenburg's Lex ISN'T Lex. He is Lex JR. He says in the movie that his dad was the Lex in front of the Corp. Lex Jr is just an abused child who prayed to God that his father would stop abusing him, but his prayers were never answered. So now that he has money and power, yes, he is a socially awkward psychopath hellbent on destroying the God that was never there for him. It's clear in the movie but people always say "But he isn't Lex..." Yeah, because he isn't. Representing Lex Luthor Jr, he's pretty accurate.
He's the Lex Luthor we know. Lex Luthor is always known as the jr, there's no JR in the comics (unless you're talking about Alexander from Earth 3, in which case is NOT simmilar to Eisenberg idea). Also, the whole God thing i just dumb: Superman is not perfect or reamotely a god, he failed Metropolis and people die. This could work if in the previous movies there wer no casualties or dstruction (like a real Superman would do) and Luthor just have this vendetta. People already hate Superman, what's Luthor's goal? That everybody hates him? That's just dumb, there are no absolutes, there's always someone who thinks different.
If there is ever a time in which this GFuel sponsorship ends I am highly requesting a supercut of every single ad you've made for them.