Hello Steve!!! I Truly can't thank you enough for the GREAT VIDEOS you've done! Thanks to you, I have 4 of the moving heads and 2 of the spider beam light along with a host of other LED PAR Lights I knew I wanted to add lighting to my setup but I knew ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about DMX! Thanks for getting me started!!! Please keep up the great work!!!! Brian
@@LearnLizard I typically let it run in sound active alongside an adj revo4. As for keeping it dry, the heat generated by the unit is enough to keep it dry during operation. When the night closes I store it in a compartment with a damp-rid pail. I'll try to post a video of them in action and send you the link.
Thank you Steve for tutorials for DMX512, Thanks to you for your Tutorials that I now have a DMX Lighting rig with 2 mini moving heads with 2 mini Par Lights ready for Events and I plan to get 2 more moving heads
Thanks for that suggestion. The fans on the lights put out a lot of background noise. I never thought about processing it out, but my editing program (FCP) allows audio plugins so I may give that a try. Appreciate you watching!
Hi Steve, thanks for the reply. I had a cheap DMX Controller, but couldn't get it to work , so have bought a Chauvet 40 DJ, However I still can't get the Lights to work and any advice would be helpful. I'm not sure if the Lights are set properly and don't know how to set them. I set the first light to D001, and the I.P 01. after that I'm stumped as what to do. Fader 1 will bring all the lights on when it is about half way up, but the other faders 2,3,4 don't doo anything at all. Here's hoping you can help, Cheers, Kevin. P.S From what I can make out, the colours are RGBW and ?uv. the other settings on the light LED are A1,2,3,4,5 and the if any of those are pressed other digits come up. Hope this makes sense to you, it's all Alien to me, once again thanks for the Support.
Love the videos, I'm planning on watching them all! A couple questions: Does the controller board save your scenes/chases when the unit is turned off? Also, when you were going through the individual slider functions, channel 4 was brightness and we wanted that at max value. What happens to that value when you switch to page 2 of functions and need to adjust channel 12? I guess I'm wondering if the controller only registers slider values when you move them, not their current position. I'm having trouble explaining my question clearly, but I'd appreciate your input/answers!
Thanks for the kind words and good questions! Yes, thankfully the board remembers the scenes/chases when turned off. When you switch to the second page of functions, the original fader settings are left untouched. When you switch back to a fader setting you have programmed and move the fader, it will jump to the current position of that selected fader. Hope that makes sense and appreciate you watching...
Hey Steve how you doing, I wanna thank you for this video of the mini spiders believe it or not I understand you in inglish better then videos in Spanish by the way I'm Mexican, I follow your all ready 🤘🏻😎
Hi- The F2 looks like a nice controller! It basically works on the same principle as the Obey 40. Its a 16 channel controller capable of controlling 12 fixtures. Here's a video on basic DMX programming that might help: th-cam.com/video/dJQAZsNwcv4/w-d-xo.html
Hi, I have learned a lot from your channel. I like how on this spider light, on channel 14, it does an auto sound mode. I was wondering if on the moving head light (that you showed in another video $45) is there a similar function assigned to a channel that can be enabled from a controller?
Thats a good question- Yes, when the moving heads are in 14 channel mode, Channel 13 can set Sound Active 1 (values 128-191) and Sound Active 2 (values 192-255) Thanks for watching!
I've used a lot of XLR cables in simple rigs through the years and never had any problems with them, but of course better to use DMX cables which are the correct impedance and important for longer cable runs and more complex setups.
Thanks for the kind words! I bought these quick mount clamps on eBay and they work great: www.ebay.com/itm/10x-Black-Clamps-Fit-OD-Pipe-35-40mm-DJ-Lighting-Mount-Quick-Lock-Max-Load-100KG-/223903707195?hash=item3421b3703b The spider beam is mounted with one clamp to the top bar of my truss and the bottom of the light rests against the bottom bar. Appreciate you watching!
Sir good day, in your dmx, Can you put multiple different types of light? Like Led par, Spider, moving heads, in one dmx only? Is it possible? Thank you..
Yes- You could set different types of lights to the same DMX starting address (I think that is what you mean) However it would not make sense because each light probably has its different functions on different channels, so the programming would be unpredictable. For example if you moved the fader on channel 2 it might move the pan on your moving head but also bring up the blue on your PAR light. Hope that makes sense.
It a Tomshine. They are going for about $180 on Amazon but you can also get this very similar model from Bettoper that is considerably less $. amzn.to/3SUdfky Thanks for watching!
I have my uplights programmed with different colors on different scenes. I wish I could make my uplights chase colors while my dmx'ed spider lights don't chase. Do you know if that is possible? I don't think it is but wanted to hear your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
Hi - I'm not sure exactly what effect you are trying to get, but if you programmed a series of scenes with the uplights in a different color in each scene and the spiders exactly the same in each scene, when you ran a chase made from those scenes, you would have the effect of the uplights chasing colors and the spiders not. Hope that helps and thanks for watching!
Hi thank for your nice tutorials, i have a question: id you program a scene and play it wil it play that scene in a loop? So it keeps playing that scene all over again?
When the controller triggers a scene, it sends a single dmx message for that particular one. If the scene is programmed as a continuous or looping look on the fixture itself, then it will keep playing until the controller sends a command for a new scene. I hope that helps.
Hey buddy, Thanks for the tutorial video. I just bought 4 of these Spider lights before Christmas 2019 with a LIXADA DMX Show Designer 192 DMX512 Console. Would this controller work with these lights?
Absolutely- any controller that sends DMX data will operate these lights. In fact here's a video where I show the LIXADA Show designer controlling one: th-cam.com/video/qYeg1t8xS_o/w-d-xo.html Thanks for watching!
Great video thanks. One question though, I have this exact same DMX controller, as well as another 384 channel controller, and with both I'm having this problem with saved scenes getting lost after re-entering the program mode. In other words, see how you initially save scenes 1 & 2 and exit program mode, then return to program mode to ad the auto mode on scene 3, often when I do this my scenes 1 & 2 will have gone but scene 3 would be saved. Pretty confused and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong in program mode that is erasing previously stored scenes. Any ideas? Thanks.
Hmm- I'm not sure whats wrong. Can you get any scenes to save? Make sure you are pressing the "Midi/Add" button and then the location you want to save the scene. I believe the unit holds the programs in memory with an internal battery. Its possible that its dead (but unlikely)
Thank you for these videos. I have this same controller. There's an unlabeled switch next to the DMX cable socket. Does anyone know what it does? I could not get it to work with my lights and thought it was broken until I finally thought to turn that switch to the other position. Now it works.
Hi- That switch reverses the DMX polarity. Not all fixtures are wired with the same polarity so in certain instances you might need to change the switch to make everything work. Appreciate you watching!
@@LearnLizard Thank you so much. Would you also happen to know why it will sometimes shut the laser down after a few minutes? If I set the DMX channels for lasers visuals, I find that it shuts down as if channel 1 is set to 0. And I have to toggle the channel 1 slider to get it to come back on.
Hi Steve, I've only just started using a dmx Controller. Is it possible to use different types of light together at the same time? For Example Par cans, Moving heads and what I call disco ball Lights together at the same time/
Yes, absolutely. You can combine any different DMX lights you want. Connect the first light to the controller and then daisy chain the additional lights together. To make it the easiest to program, you should have each light set to have its own unique DMX starting address. Here's a video that helps explain: th-cam.com/video/nVbVl4s_pQ4/w-d-xo.html
thanks for this, i do have a question. A friend bought some of these (similar brand) for her fitness studio and theyre on auto but def need some programming, this seems easily do-able for me... but I am wondering if you can program the splines to fade/scan back and forth like when in auto mode instead of just a fixed position (angle).. like auto mode just not "epilepsy" fast lol thanks
Yes- (and I know what you mean about "epilepsy" mode ha ha) In DMX mode you can set both the position of each tin (Channels 1 & 2) and the speed that they move (Channel 3) So if you program one scene with the tins out, and a second scene with them in and have the speed set to slow, they will move very slowly when you change scenes. This can be a dramatic effect. Hope that helps and good luck with the fitness studio light show!
My truss sections are very similar to the ones in this system: amzn.to/3qgMN7M I am now using crank up stands on each side as it makes it SO much easier to raise the lights. Thanks for watching!
Hi Sir i just wanto to ask how do you connect the 2 spider using dmx...i want to use them with synchronize movements..i hgope you can make another video to show how to connect the 2 and what else to do it in dmx.Thanks for your helpful video.
Hi and thanks for your kind words! Its very easy to connect the 2 fixtures and synchronize them with DMX. Just connect your controller to "DMX IN" on the first one, and run a cable from "DMX OUT" on that one to "DMX IN" on the second one. (this is called "daisy chaining") If you set both lights to the same DMX channel they will be synchronized exactly like you see in the video. Good luck with your light show!
really liked your video great job, I would like to ask you some questions on the chauvet obey 40 controller which I never used, do you have videos showing how to program lights using this controller, I also have brand new lights that came out of storage which I would like to use with this obey 40 as well, can you help, Regards donald
Hi and thanks for the kind words! Here are 2 videos that go over the basics of programming an Obey 40: th-cam.com/video/dJQAZsNwcv4/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/nVbVl4s_pQ4/w-d-xo.html Hope these are helpful and thanks for watching!
Like your videos , very informative. I trying to get sound active mode to work through dmx board in two devices. What Im finding is it works good then then one light does something different when they both should match and be in sync. I have them on the same channel. Maybe I have it in the wrong mode . Should it just be in dmx mode on the device . Mind you when I go to auto presets this does not happen. Just on sound activation mode thru the board. Any suggestions.thank u
Thanks for the kind words. I thought the only way to access "sound active" via DMX, was to have the fixture in DMX mode. I can't understand how you would get it to work any other way with a controller. Each light is probably "listening" to the sound/music independently and thats why they are not in sync. You could try setting them both to the same DMX starting address, or maybe slave them together in master/slave mode. Hope that helps and curious to know what you figure out.
Thanks for your helpful videos. As a beginner, I have learned a lot from your instructional approach. Is anyone using an LED Par Lights, OPPSK Updated Version Full 24W 24LEDs with a dmx controller? I set the fixture to address 81 (fixture 6 on my controller), but only one slider on my obey 40 has any affect, and that slider simply triggers a random flashing sequence on this light. A different fixture set to channel 65 (my fixture 5) works properly. Any suggestions?
I need a stand that will hold the spider lights like you have in your video. Can you or anyone tell me were you bought your stand that you have in your video. Thank you in advance.
HI- the stand in the video is a Basic T-Bar Stand like this: amzn.to/48xyv8l The light is held on with O-Clamps like this: amzn.to/3xOTCjD Thanks for watching!
No- unfortunately you are at the mercy of the way the auto function comes programmed. If you want that kind of specific look you will have to control it with a DMX controller. Appreciate you watching...
If you daisy chain two together they will both follow the same DMX commands together. If you set each of them to their own DMX channel you can program them independently. ...I have seen 2 different programs that create shows for a full rig based on analyzing the audio data you input but they are both kind of expensive. I'd love to do a video on them some day :)
@@LearnLizard By "daisy chaining them together" do you mean setting them both to the same DMX channel (connected by a DMX cable, of course)? Or would they need to have separate DMX channel addresses?
@@Pocahontas062 Daisy chaining them together just means they are all receiving DMX info from the same controller along a continuous cable. You could set them to the same channel and make all respond together as if one light, or set them to different channels and control each independently. Hope that makes sense!
Good question. DMX can't sync to music on its own, but on some lights you can use DMX to turn on sound active mode (which can be very useful) Also if your controller or software controller have sound active functions, they can send that information to the lights via DMX. Hope that helps and thanks for watching!
When I connected my mini spider light to dmx controller, the faders showing no response on the mini spider. The mini spider flashes lights and flickers on it's own even when connected to a controller, with all the fader values to zero. But works fine without the dmx connected. What went wrong here?. Is it something to do with the controller?. Kindly reply........
Hi- It sounds to me like the Spider Light isn't in DMX mode. You need to press the menu button until you see "Addr" (this is the DMX starting address) It should say "001" Then press enter and make sure you are using "fixture" or "scanner" 1 on your controller and also that you are in "program mode" Hopefully that will get everything working.
I've just bought two of these. I don't have a DMX unit, so usually just plug my DJ lights in and let them do their own thing along to the music. I've put the lights on the Sound setting, turned the Sound sensor up to 100, played loud music next to the lights and nothing really happens. The lights don't change angles or spin at all, just remain stationary. Any suggestions please? (I didn't receive a manual with the lights) Many thanks.
Hi- I have 3 units and sometimes I also run them in Sound Active mode and they react very well with both color changes and movement. Have you tried doing a fixture reset in the menu commands? Also, are they working properly in auto mode? You could also try setting the sensitivity to a lower value and see what happens. (sometimes units are programmed with 0 being most sensitive and 100 least sensitive) Hope that helps and good luck getting them up and running properly!
Interesting question! If you put the same kind of fixtures in Master/Slave mode and daisy chain together, they will all be synchronized to the sound-active or auto mode of the Master. You could use more than one set of similar fixtures in master/slave and they should all sync to the same sound they are "hearing" in sound-active. Please post a video if you get something set up.
@@LearnLizard Hi there! I really appreciate your advice and time! I'll try to connect different lights without controller and will see what happens and most definitely will post a video if it works. Thanks again for your help!
Hi- On this unit you can control the speed of the Tin's in DMX mode on Channel 3 but unfortunately it has no effect when you are in auto mode. Appreciate you watching!
Older lights use DIP switches to set the DMX starting address. So to combine with the spider beam light you would set the starting address on the older light to a starting address of "1" for example. This would be fixture 1 on the Elation Operator. Because it is a 12 channel controller, the second fixture it controls will need a DMX starting address of "13", so you would set the Spider Beam to that address in the menu controls. Here's a basic tutorial that helps explain DMX channels and how to set: th-cam.com/video/dJQAZsNwcv4/w-d-xo.html
You can actually control 12 different 16 channel fixtures independently with the Obey 40. (you just need to set each one the the correct starting address) For more info about all the things it can do check out this video, and thanks for watching! th-cam.com/video/qYeg1t8xS_o/w-d-xo.html
My new spider light after following your video about sound activation, when switch to 'On' does nothing 🤔 Is there any reason for this? Or am I doing something wrong?
It might be that the sound sensitivity threshold needs to be adjusted. You could try going to menu item #7 and setting the sensitivity higher. (normal setting is about 60) Hope that helps and thanks for watching!
Yes- In the menu controls you can set it to "Show Mode" (Shnd) which has 16 different options for automated play. There is also a "Sound Active Mode" (SoUn) to sync it to music. Hope that helps and thanks for watching!
Great video. So what would happen if you set different movement speeds between scenes? Would it follow the speed setting of scene 1 or scene 2 during scene transition?
Great question! If you set the movement speed on the fixture via DMX the change takes place immediately, so it would follow the speed setting of the scene you just triggered from the controller. If running a chase, the Fade Time on the controller would have to be set to “0”. Hope that makes sense and appreciate you watching…
Bought a set of two. Manual says 13 channel, the display says 15 channel. The 13/15 channels of each light use different sliders. Guess I got a bad batch of lights. Looks like sound active mode will have to suffice.
You really need a simple DMX controller to do any programming. Without one your options are a few auto modes and a sound active mode which you access by cycling through the men controls and hitting ENTER. Good luck and thanks for watching!
WHEN I press up on sensitivity the number goes down/ when I press down the numbers go up (WHAT GIVES?) Actually when there is no sound they still move? (What Gives?) the mic must suck
Sometimes they program those buttons in crazy ways- BUT- there is no way the tins should move when there is no sound. Are you sure you are in Sound Mode "SoUn" and not Show Mode "Shnd"? You might try doing a Fixture Reset "rSet".
I can't seem to get them to just come on when plugged in...how do you set them to display whether thye even work? Nothing is clear in the manual, if you can even call that a manual! If you can do a tutorial about that would be great because you explain things well. Everything is Chinese to me with all the numbers and letters.
Hmm- When you first power these on you should hear the fan and see the DMX starting address on the display. If the display is blank, or there is no noise, try using a different power cord and make sure it is seated properly. Hopefully that will do the trick.
@@LearnLizard when I see the videos of people plugging it in out of the box they get lights on and I don’t. When I press menu it just goes straight to red light on slave button and then nothing. Can’t get it off of slave and there are no instructions to do that either
@@christinejp1677On this particular model, if you cycle through the menu items you should see "SLnd" on the display which is Master/Slave mode. Press the up and down buttons to switch modes and then press enter to save. Hope that helps and thanks for watching!
The Elation Operator works very similar to the Lixada controller in the video (or a Chauvet Obey 40 such as in my introductory videos) Basically you need to make sure the DMX starting address on the fixture (which is set in the menu controls) matches the DMX starting address of the fixture you have selected on the controller. When you are in programming mode on the controller, the spider beam should operate just as it does in the video. Hope that helps and thanks for watching.
Hi, sorry, I meant to say how do you do “hazer” ? You mention hazer. Also can you buy pre-programmed software for obey 40 ? Thanks again for you videos. They are great. I am ordering Obey 40 to follow your instructions
@@amirfarajifar612 Hi- Here is a brief bit on using the DMX functions of a Hazer: th-cam.com/video/UiDafzU4P_g/w-d-xo.html There is no pre-programmed software for the Obey 40 that I am aware of. It is a simple basic machine with no USB or other ports that would allow you to load or store programs from a different device. (but still a great machine) Thanks for your kind words and appreciate you watching.
I recently bought a Tomshine, same as this I thought....but it now has only 11 channels max....and channel three doesn't control the speed of the two units turning....no channel provides that control? I returned it, not without a fuss & I've since tried all of the other variants available...none control that speed via any DMX channel? That seriously impedes creativity & for me makes this light unwanted sadly. Why has this essential element now been removed/denied?
Hmm- that sounds strange and sorry to hear. I agree having control over the speed of the tines is important for creativity. I have 3 of these units and one needed a "reset" (last menu item: rSet) to restore all of its functionality. I can't imagine the manufacture/programmers would remove this function but perhaps I'm wrong.
Hi, I have the U King Spider Moving Head and the same Controller. My Problem is, That I Cant Control every Color alone. I can only Control the 4 Colors together. Is there a Solution?
Hi- I believe the U'King spider beam operates the same as the Tomshine one in this video. In 10 Channel mode all the colors change together, but in 15 Channel mode you can control the colors separately. (I show how to do this in the menu settings) Hope that helps and good luck!
@@Hatagripen OK- I would recommend buying one of these moving heads lights: bit.ly/35pmxwt and an inexpensive controller like this: bit.ly/2GPCUsk It would only cost you about $80 and you would still have $ left for a cable. Then you could buy a second moving head when you get more money. Plus you could learn all the functions by watching my videos LOL!
Thanks for the heads up. I just checked the link and it looks like the US price went up $65. Still not too bad when you factor in free shipping and no sales tax. (in the US)
You are the best teacher for DMx….your explanation clear, logical, simple, and direct to the subject. I really appreciated your efforts.
Wow, thanks! Appreciate you watching
I really appreciate the time you put into these videos and the quality of the information. Keep it up:)
Thank you for your kind words, and I appreciate you watching! I'm working on some new ones that I hope you will enjoy.
Thank you so much. Without your tutorials I wouldn’t have a clue what I was doing. Priceless 😊
Glad to know it was helpful and thank you for watching!
That was super helpful! Thank you for taking the time to put that together.
Really appreciate you watching and glad it helped!
Hello Steve!!! I Truly can't thank you enough for the GREAT VIDEOS you've done! Thanks to you, I have 4 of the moving heads and 2 of the spider beam light along with a host of other LED PAR Lights I knew I wanted to add lighting to my setup but I knew ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about DMX! Thanks for getting me started!!! Please keep up the great work!!!!
Brian
Thats great to hear and I really appreciate you watching. Sounds like you have an awesome setup!
I've used one of these on my boat for 4 years now. It's been seen from 7+ miles away. Definitely worth the money!
Thats really cool! Would love to know how you control it- and how do you keep it dry when you are out on the water? Appreciate you watching!
@@LearnLizard I typically let it run in sound active alongside an adj revo4. As for keeping it dry, the heat generated by the unit is enough to keep it dry during operation. When the night closes I store it in a compartment with a damp-rid pail. I'll try to post a video of them in action and send you the link.
@@LearnLizard th-cam.com/video/jozcZP3pKPc/w-d-xo.html
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@@12oclockmayhem Thanks for posting those videos- its amazing how bright those lights are! Really appreciate seeing how you use them on a boat.
you're awesome man thank you so much for taking the time for all of us to learn something new keep the videos coming we all appreciate it!
Thanks very much for those kind words! I have fun making these videos and I'm glad they are helpful for people.
Never had lights before and I Just copped two of them. With a DMX so when I get out there this time I'll have a little lights. thanks:)
Excellent- good luck with your light show!
Thanks for making this video. I was having a hard time figuring this out until I found your channel. Keep up the great work.
Thanks so much for those kind words. Glad it could help!
Thank you Steve for tutorials for DMX512, Thanks to you for your Tutorials that I now have a DMX Lighting rig with 2 mini moving heads with 2 mini Par Lights ready for Events and I plan to get 2 more moving heads
Thanks very much for watching my videos and good luck with your lighting light (it sounds pretty cool!)
Thanks for your videos - they're very helpful - one request: could you consider processing audio to remove the background noise
Thanks for that suggestion. The fans on the lights put out a lot of background noise. I never thought about processing it out, but my editing program (FCP) allows audio plugins so I may give that a try. Appreciate you watching!
I can never get away with 512 dmx programming but going to try it your way and see how far I get
Hi Steve, thanks for the reply. I had a cheap DMX Controller, but couldn't get it to work , so have bought a Chauvet 40 DJ, However I still can't get the Lights to work and any advice would be helpful. I'm not sure if the Lights are set properly and don't know how to set them. I set the first light to D001, and the I.P 01. after that I'm stumped as what to do. Fader 1 will bring all the lights on when it is about half way up, but the other faders 2,3,4 don't doo anything at all.
Here's hoping you can help,
Cheers, Kevin. P.S From what I can make out, the colours are RGBW and ?uv. the other settings on the light LED are A1,2,3,4,5 and the if any of those are pressed other digits come up. Hope this makes sense to you, it's all Alien to me,
once again thanks for the Support.
Dude, this vid helped me immensely as I have two of these and the Chinese instructions were awful!
Glad it helped and appreciate you watching!
Woulda bought 4 if they were still 55. Now they are 160 before tax, yikes.
Good demo, and good heads-up on what a good price is. Will shop around.
Here's one that's almost identical for under $70 amzn.to/3SUdfky
So far I've had good luck with Betopper products. Thanks for watching!
Love the videos, I'm planning on watching them all!
A couple questions: Does the controller board save your scenes/chases when the unit is turned off? Also, when you were going through the individual slider functions, channel 4 was brightness and we wanted that at max value. What happens to that value when you switch to page 2 of functions and need to adjust channel 12? I guess I'm wondering if the controller only registers slider values when you move them, not their current position. I'm having trouble explaining my question clearly, but I'd appreciate your input/answers!
Thanks for the kind words and good questions! Yes, thankfully the board remembers the scenes/chases when turned off.
When you switch to the second page of functions, the original fader settings are left untouched. When you switch back to a fader setting you have programmed and move the fader, it will jump to the current position of that selected fader. Hope that makes sense and appreciate you watching...
yes it does, least on my controller, it is sheds not lixada, very similar
Hey Steve how you doing, I wanna thank you for this video of the mini spiders believe it or not I understand you in inglish better then videos in Spanish by the way I'm Mexican, I follow your all ready 🤘🏻😎
Thank you for those kind words amigo! I'm very glad the videos are helpful and I appreciate you watching!
I love your content
Thanks!
Another great video. Keep up the good work !!!
Thanks very much! Appreciate you watching...
Do you know how to sync two of them together? I just want to use them on saindo control but dunked together- thank you for the explanation as well
Very cool little lights! I’m gonna have to get one.....or two! 😊
They are great little lights and pack a lot of punch for their size and price. When 2 are synchronized at each side of a stage, they really look good!
@@LearnLizardis there a lot of difference with steelpro 8X10??
Such a helpful video, thank you.
I appreciate you watching!
I have 2 of them and I like them a lot. Price point is user friendly.
Agree- you get quite a bang for your buck with 2 of these running- and they look especially good with the hazer going!
@@LearnLizard looks like the price went way up.
All my questions answered thank you 🙏🏼
I glad to hear it was helpful- Thanks for watching!
Good video, hi from cuernavaca México 👋
Gracias por mirar a mi amigo!
Hello. Would it be possible to make a video tutorial with the Fractal F2 DMX Controller and Spider? Thank you for your reply.
Hi- The F2 looks like a nice controller! It basically works on the same principle as the Obey 40. Its a 16 channel controller capable of controlling 12 fixtures. Here's a video on basic DMX programming that might help: th-cam.com/video/dJQAZsNwcv4/w-d-xo.html
Hi, I have learned a lot from your channel. I like how on this spider light, on channel 14, it does an auto sound mode. I was wondering if on the moving head light (that you showed in another video $45) is there a similar function assigned to a channel that can be enabled from a controller?
Thats a good question- Yes, when the moving heads are in 14 channel mode, Channel 13 can set Sound Active 1 (values 128-191) and Sound Active 2 (values 192-255) Thanks for watching!
Fab video thanks. Do you find any difference in using DMX cables over XLR ones? Cheers
I've used a lot of XLR cables in simple rigs through the years and never had any problems with them, but of course better to use DMX cables which are the correct impedance and important for longer cable runs and more complex setups.
LearnLizard I’m wondering is this is why my controller isn’t working with my laser. Thank you
you're vidéos are very instructive, tank's
I appreciate you watching!
How did you mount them vertically? Is there a specific way? Thanks for the video, it REALLY helped!
Thanks for the kind words! I bought these quick mount clamps on eBay and they work great: www.ebay.com/itm/10x-Black-Clamps-Fit-OD-Pipe-35-40mm-DJ-Lighting-Mount-Quick-Lock-Max-Load-100KG-/223903707195?hash=item3421b3703b
The spider beam is mounted with one clamp to the top bar of my truss and the bottom of the light rests against the bottom bar. Appreciate you watching!
Sir good day, in your dmx, Can you put multiple different types of light? Like Led par, Spider, moving heads, in one dmx only? Is it possible? Thank you..
Yes- You could set different types of lights to the same DMX starting address (I think that is what you mean) However it would not make sense because each light probably has its different functions on different channels, so the programming would be unpredictable. For example if you moved the fader on channel 2 it might move the pan on your moving head but also bring up the blue on your PAR light. Hope that makes sense.
Thanks for the great tutorial. Which brand spyder are you using here?
It a Tomshine. They are going for about $180 on Amazon but you can also get this very similar model from Bettoper that is considerably less $. amzn.to/3SUdfky
Thanks for watching!
I have my uplights programmed with different colors on different scenes. I wish I could make my uplights chase colors while my dmx'ed spider lights don't chase. Do you know if that is possible? I don't think it is but wanted to hear your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
Hi - I'm not sure exactly what effect you are trying to get, but if you programmed a series of scenes with the uplights in a different color in each scene and the spiders exactly the same in each scene, when you ran a chase made from those scenes, you would have the effect of the uplights chasing colors and the spiders not. Hope that helps and thanks for watching!
@LearnLizard I understand and that actually does help.Thanks!!!
Hi thank for your nice tutorials, i have a question: id you program a scene and play it wil it play that scene in a loop? So it keeps playing that scene all over again?
When the controller triggers a scene, it sends a single dmx message for that particular one. If the scene is programmed as a continuous or looping look on the fixture itself, then it will keep playing until the controller sends a command for a new scene. I hope that helps.
Thanks for this video !
Thank you for watching it!
Hey buddy,
Thanks for the tutorial video.
I just bought 4 of these Spider lights before Christmas 2019 with a LIXADA DMX Show Designer 192 DMX512 Console.
Would this controller work with these lights?
Absolutely- any controller that sends DMX data will operate these lights. In fact here's a video where I show the LIXADA Show designer controlling one: th-cam.com/video/qYeg1t8xS_o/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Steve!
Appreciate you watching!
Great video thanks. One question though, I have this exact same DMX controller, as well as another 384 channel controller, and with both I'm having this problem with saved scenes getting lost after re-entering the program mode. In other words, see how you initially save scenes 1 & 2 and exit program mode, then return to program mode to ad the auto mode on scene 3, often when I do this my scenes 1 & 2 will have gone but scene 3 would be saved. Pretty confused and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong in program mode that is erasing previously stored scenes. Any ideas? Thanks.
Hmm- I'm not sure whats wrong. Can you get any scenes to save? Make sure you are pressing the "Midi/Add" button and then the location you want to save the scene. I believe the unit holds the programs in memory with an internal battery. Its possible that its dead (but unlikely)
Thank you for these videos. I have this same controller. There's an unlabeled switch next to the DMX cable socket. Does anyone know what it does? I could not get it to work with my lights and thought it was broken until I finally thought to turn that switch to the other position. Now it works.
Hi- That switch reverses the DMX polarity. Not all fixtures are wired with the same polarity so in certain instances you might need to change the switch to make everything work. Appreciate you watching!
@@LearnLizard Thank you so much. Would you also happen to know why it will sometimes shut the laser down after a few minutes? If I set the DMX channels for lasers visuals, I find that it shuts down as if channel 1 is set to 0. And I have to toggle the channel 1 slider to get it to come back on.
Hi Steve, I've only just started using a dmx Controller. Is it possible to use different types of light together at the same time? For Example Par cans, Moving heads and what I call disco ball Lights together at the same time/
Yes, absolutely. You can combine any different DMX lights you want. Connect the first light to the controller and then daisy chain the additional lights together. To make it the easiest to program, you should have each light set to have its own unique DMX starting address. Here's a video that helps explain:
th-cam.com/video/nVbVl4s_pQ4/w-d-xo.html
Can you post the link to the sound board you got so I can get the same one? Thanks!
Hi- here is one from Tomtop that is almost identical and very cost effective ($80) www.tomtop.com/p-l1238us.html
Thanks for watching!
thanks for this, i do have a question. A friend bought some of these (similar brand) for her fitness studio and theyre on auto but def need some programming, this seems easily do-able for me... but I am wondering if you can program the splines to fade/scan back and forth like when in auto mode instead of just a fixed position (angle).. like auto mode just not "epilepsy" fast lol thanks
Yes- (and I know what you mean about "epilepsy" mode ha ha)
In DMX mode you can set both the position of each tin (Channels 1 & 2) and the speed that they move (Channel 3) So if you program one scene with the tins out, and a second scene with them in and have the speed set to slow, they will move very slowly when you change scenes. This can be a dramatic effect. Hope that helps and good luck with the fitness studio light show!
What truss are you using? I really need a good and cheap truss
idc is it cheap or not very cheap
My truss sections are very similar to the ones in this system:
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I am now using crank up stands on each side as it makes it SO much easier to raise the lights.
Thanks for watching!
Hi Sir i just wanto to ask how do you connect the 2 spider using dmx...i want to use them with synchronize movements..i hgope you can make another video to show how to connect the 2 and what else to do it in dmx.Thanks for your helpful video.
Hi and thanks for your kind words! Its very easy to connect the 2 fixtures and synchronize them with DMX. Just connect your controller to "DMX IN" on the first one, and run a cable from "DMX OUT" on that one to "DMX IN" on the second one. (this is called "daisy chaining") If you set both lights to the same DMX channel they will be synchronized exactly like you see in the video. Good luck with your light show!
My led scene has stopped working, but the panel lights work for proving, is 100 on sound the most sensitive?
Yes that's right- Appreciate you watching!
really liked your video great job, I would like to ask you some questions on the chauvet obey 40 controller which I never used, do you have videos showing how to program lights using this controller, I also have brand new lights that came out of storage which I would like to use with this obey 40 as well, can you help, Regards donald
Hi and thanks for the kind words! Here are 2 videos that go over the basics of programming an Obey 40:
th-cam.com/video/dJQAZsNwcv4/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/nVbVl4s_pQ4/w-d-xo.html
Hope these are helpful and thanks for watching!
Like your videos , very informative. I trying to get sound active mode to work through dmx board in two devices. What Im finding is it works good then then one light does something different when they both should match and be in sync. I have them on the same channel. Maybe I have it in the wrong mode . Should it just be in dmx mode on the device . Mind you when I go to auto presets this does not happen. Just on sound activation mode thru the board. Any suggestions.thank u
Thanks for the kind words. I thought the only way to access "sound active" via DMX, was to have the fixture in DMX mode. I can't understand how you would get it to work any other way with a controller. Each light is probably "listening" to the sound/music independently and thats why they are not in sync. You could try setting them both to the same DMX starting address, or maybe slave them together in master/slave mode. Hope that helps and curious to know what you figure out.
Thanks for the great Input !
Appreciate you watching!
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Thanks for your helpful videos. As a beginner, I have learned a lot from your instructional approach.
Is anyone using an LED Par Lights, OPPSK Updated Version Full 24W 24LEDs with a dmx controller? I set the fixture to address 81 (fixture 6 on my controller), but only one slider on my obey 40 has any affect, and that slider simply triggers a random flashing sequence on this light. A different fixture set to channel 65 (my fixture 5) works properly. Any suggestions?
I'm glad to hear they are helpful and appreciate your kind words!
I need a stand that will hold the spider lights like you have in your video. Can you or anyone tell me were you bought your stand that you have in your video. Thank you in advance.
HI- the stand in the video is a Basic T-Bar Stand like this:
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The light is held on with O-Clamps like this:
amzn.to/3xOTCjD
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Does the automatic programs have a function where it’s only Red, with sound active ?
No- unfortunately you are at the mercy of the way the auto function comes programmed. If you want that kind of specific look you will have to control it with a DMX controller. Appreciate you watching...
@@LearnLizard if I was going to get a DMX controller could I still create a program where GBW were dimmed to 0, and then put it in auto sound mode?
Thank you.
Appreciate you watching!
Great video. How do you program two of these ? Can do a video on software that has pre programmed show ?
If you daisy chain two together they will both follow the same DMX commands together. If you set each of them to their own DMX channel you can program them independently.
...I have seen 2 different programs that create shows for a full rig based on analyzing the audio data you input but they are both kind of expensive. I'd love to do a video on them some day :)
@@LearnLizard By "daisy chaining them together" do you mean setting them both to the same DMX channel (connected by a DMX cable, of course)? Or would they need to have separate DMX channel addresses?
@@Pocahontas062 Daisy chaining them together just means they are all receiving DMX info from the same controller along a continuous cable. You could set them to the same channel and make all respond together as if one light, or set them to different channels and control each independently. Hope that makes sense!
great vid thanks so much it has helped me alot
Appreciate you watching and glad it helped
Question can the dmx follow along with the music or is it only to program patterns?
Good question. DMX can't sync to music on its own, but on some lights you can use DMX to turn on sound active mode (which can be very useful) Also if your controller or software controller have sound active functions, they can send that information to the lights via DMX. Hope that helps and thanks for watching!
When I connected my mini spider light to dmx controller, the faders showing no response on the mini spider. The mini spider flashes lights and flickers on it's own even when connected to a controller, with all the fader values to zero. But works fine without the dmx connected.
What went wrong here?. Is it something to do with the controller?. Kindly reply........
Hi- It sounds to me like the Spider Light isn't in DMX mode. You need to press the menu button until you see "Addr" (this is the DMX starting address) It should say "001" Then press enter and make sure you are using "fixture" or "scanner" 1 on your controller and also that you are in "program mode" Hopefully that will get everything working.
Thanks 👍🏻
Thanks for watching!
I've just bought two of these. I don't have a DMX unit, so usually just plug my DJ lights in and let them do their own thing along to the music. I've put the lights on the Sound setting, turned the Sound sensor up to 100, played loud music next to the lights and nothing really happens. The lights don't change angles or spin at all, just remain stationary. Any suggestions please? (I didn't receive a manual with the lights)
Many thanks.
Hi- I have 3 units and sometimes I also run them in Sound Active mode and they react very well with both color changes and movement. Have you tried doing a fixture reset in the menu commands? Also, are they working properly in auto mode? You could also try setting the sensitivity to a lower value and see what happens. (sometimes units are programmed with 0 being most sensitive and 100 least sensitive) Hope that helps and good luck getting them up and running properly!
Has it been working since yu just plug them in and put music on ur phone ?? I want to buy one but don’t have that board!!
Tried them again recently without a DMX, and Ian's my opinion I wouldn't buy them if I were you. I'm now looking to sell mine
@@bluenose7966 damn, thank you brother !
Is it possible to connect a group of different DMX fixtures without using a controller if you set them all to sound-active or automatic mode?
Interesting question! If you put the same kind of fixtures in Master/Slave mode and daisy chain together, they will all be synchronized to the sound-active or auto mode of the Master. You could use more than one set of similar fixtures in master/slave and they should all sync to the same sound they are "hearing" in sound-active. Please post a video if you get something set up.
@@LearnLizard Hi there! I really appreciate your advice and time! I'll try to connect different lights without controller and will see what happens and most definitely will post a video if it works. Thanks again for your help!
Hi sir...Can you control the speed of motors from slow to fast on auto mode?
Hi- On this unit you can control the speed of the Tin's in DMX mode on Channel 3 but unfortunately it has no effect when you are in auto mode. Appreciate you watching!
Can you do this with a Chauvet Obey 10?
Definitely. The Obey 10 works almost exactly the same way. Thanks for watching!
And how can I combine this with other lights that have deep switches thanks
Older lights use DIP switches to set the DMX starting address. So to combine with the spider beam light you would set the starting address on the older light to a starting address of "1" for example. This would be fixture 1 on the Elation Operator. Because it is a 12 channel controller, the second fixture it controls will need a DMX starting address of "13", so you would set the Spider Beam to that address in the menu controls. Here's a basic tutorial that helps explain DMX channels and how to set: th-cam.com/video/dJQAZsNwcv4/w-d-xo.html
Can this controller only control 1 dmx light? Like could I control both a moving head and a spider light from this one controller? Thanks !
You can actually control 12 different 16 channel fixtures independently with the Obey 40. (you just need to set each one the the correct starting address)
For more info about all the things it can do check out this video, and thanks for watching!
th-cam.com/video/qYeg1t8xS_o/w-d-xo.html
My new spider light after following your video about sound activation, when switch to 'On' does nothing 🤔
Is there any reason for this? Or am I doing something wrong?
It might be that the sound sensitivity threshold needs to be adjusted. You could try going to menu item #7 and setting the sensitivity higher. (normal setting is about 60) Hope that helps and thanks for watching!
Takes a bit getting used to,i don't have a dmx controller and relying on sound.You need to adjust the sensitivity (sens).
Thank you 👍🏻
Thanks for watching!
Can I go that light without DMX
Yes- In the menu controls you can set it to "Show Mode" (Shnd) which has 16 different options for automated play. There is also a "Sound Active Mode" (SoUn) to sync it to music. Hope that helps and thanks for watching!
Great video. So what would happen if you set different movement speeds between scenes? Would it follow the speed setting of scene 1 or scene 2 during scene transition?
Great question! If you set the movement speed on the fixture via DMX the change takes place immediately, so it would follow the speed setting of the scene you just triggered from the controller. If running a chase, the Fade Time on the controller would have to be set to “0”. Hope that makes sense and appreciate you watching…
Bought a set of two. Manual says 13 channel, the display says 15 channel.
The 13/15 channels of each light use different sliders. Guess I got a bad batch of lights.
Looks like sound active mode will have to suffice.
I think you just need to set them to the same Channel Mode- you should have a choice between 9 or 14 Channel Mode. Suppose you have tried that?
i just bought 2. don't have dmx and can't figure out how to program these. i get it to go back and forth only. nothing else.
You really need a simple DMX controller to do any programming. Without one your options are a few auto modes and a sound active mode which you access by cycling through the men controls and hitting ENTER. Good luck and thanks for watching!
Nice
Thanks!
WHEN I press up on sensitivity the number goes down/ when I press down the numbers go up (WHAT GIVES?) Actually when there is no sound they still move? (What Gives?) the mic must suck
Sometimes they program those buttons in crazy ways- BUT- there is no way the tins should move when there is no sound. Are you sure you are in Sound Mode "SoUn" and not Show Mode "Shnd"? You might try doing a Fixture Reset "rSet".
@@LearnLizard on my units I had to go to reset mode in order to get the mic mode to work
I bought another company’s and the thing sucks. I think Bettoper is ahead of the game. Just ordered one.
Mine are several years old now but still working great. I like my betopper mini moving heads too. Thanks for watching...
I can't seem to get them to just come on when plugged in...how do you set them to display whether thye even work? Nothing is clear in the manual, if you can even call that a manual! If you can do a tutorial about that would be great because you explain things well. Everything is Chinese to me with all the numbers and letters.
Hmm- When you first power these on you should hear the fan and see the DMX starting address on the display. If the display is blank, or there is no noise, try using a different power cord and make sure it is seated properly. Hopefully that will do the trick.
@@LearnLizard when I see the videos of people plugging it in out of the box they get lights on and I don’t. When I press menu it just goes straight to red light on slave button and then nothing. Can’t get it off of slave and there are no instructions to do that either
@@christinejp1677On this particular model, if you cycle through the menu items you should see "SLnd" on the display which is Master/Slave mode. Press the up and down buttons to switch modes and then press enter to save. Hope that helps and thanks for watching!
How can I do this with Elation Operator I’m lost
The Elation Operator works very similar to the Lixada controller in the video (or a Chauvet Obey 40 such as in my introductory videos) Basically you need to make sure the DMX starting address on the fixture (which is set in the menu controls) matches the DMX starting address of the fixture you have selected on the controller. When you are in programming mode on the controller, the spider beam should operate just as it does in the video. Hope that helps and thanks for watching.
Also how do you do taser ?
I have 2 videos on programming lasers here:
th-cam.com/video/Mk0bUIiCQqk/w-d-xo.html
and here:
th-cam.com/video/pjcIotk0sbQ/w-d-xo.html
Hi, sorry, I meant to say how do you do “hazer” ? You mention hazer. Also can you buy pre-programmed software for obey 40 ?
Thanks again for you videos. They are great. I am ordering Obey 40 to follow your instructions
@@amirfarajifar612 Hi- Here is a brief bit on using the DMX functions of a Hazer:
th-cam.com/video/UiDafzU4P_g/w-d-xo.html
There is no pre-programmed software for the Obey 40 that I am aware of. It is a simple basic machine with no USB or other ports that would allow you to load or store programs from a different device. (but still a great machine) Thanks for your kind words and appreciate you watching.
wen die mal die dmx faber ein hallt würden bei 10st sind die farben anderst wenn man rot dan komt gün oder mal balu
Ihr Gerät kann von einem anderen Hersteller sein. Die Hardware kann gleich aussehen, aber über eine eigene Firmware verfügen.
No motor slow mode
I recently bought a Tomshine, same as this I thought....but it now has only 11 channels max....and channel three doesn't control the speed of the two units turning....no channel provides that control? I returned it, not without a fuss & I've since tried all of the other variants available...none control that speed via any DMX channel? That seriously impedes creativity & for me makes this light unwanted sadly. Why has this essential element now been removed/denied?
Hmm- that sounds strange and sorry to hear. I agree having control over the speed of the tines is important for creativity. I have 3 of these units and one needed a "reset" (last menu item: rSet) to restore all of its functionality. I can't imagine the manufacture/programmers would remove this function but perhaps I'm wrong.
Hi, I have the U King Spider Moving Head and the same Controller. My Problem is, That I Cant Control every Color alone. I can only Control the 4 Colors together. Is there a Solution?
Hi- I believe the U'King spider beam operates the same as the Tomshine one in this video. In 10 Channel mode all the colors change together, but in 15 Channel mode you can control the colors separately. (I show how to do this in the menu settings) Hope that helps and good luck!
Why are they called spider beam lights
They call them spider lights because they have 8 LED's and the beams are light a spider's legs.
I don't have DMX
It also works in auto and sound active mode so no DMX controller is required
I have 100$ what schuld i buy i have nothing
Do you want to be able to program scenes or just run lights in sound active mode?
I want program the light
I like the moving head
@@Hatagripen OK- I would recommend buying one of these moving heads lights: bit.ly/35pmxwt and an inexpensive controller like this: bit.ly/2GPCUsk
It would only cost you about $80 and you would still have $ left for a cable. Then you could buy a second moving head when you get more money. Plus you could learn all the functions by watching my videos LOL!
119$ canadian cheapest on tomtop :(
Thanks for the heads up. I just checked the link and it looks like the US price went up $65. Still not too bad when you factor in free shipping and no sales tax. (in the US)
I give you a tip son never move a light with your hand this is damage for the lights
Appreciate that tip- moved them by hand several times and never had a problem but I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for watching!
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Just been watching the video still won't work
Hmm- can you explain more what isn't working? Maybe I can help troubleshoot.
This light is now $159 via this link. Triple original.
Here's one that's almost identical for less than half that price: amzn.to/3SUdfky