Getting to know the BEST HUNTING DOGS In The Midwest!!!! (SHOWING YOU THE FARM)

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  • @Outdoorfever1
    @Outdoorfever1  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Let us know in the comments what you want to see from us now that due to fields being planted we cant hunt coyotes with the hounds!

    • @gkkennelsdoglife7970
      @gkkennelsdoglife7970 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is there anyway we could meet ? I’d like to see your dogs in person maybe do like an interview also . I’m actually new to Iowa and been looking for “ hunters with dogs “. It be nice to meet and greet with some other dog men and possibly purchase a pup from you guys when the time is right . Cause I’d like to get involved . We run hogs but I’m in the wrong spot for that.

    • @patrisiaszatmari2122
      @patrisiaszatmari2122 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How’s it going guys . Excellent video , great to see your setups and all your dogs . Are you guys on Facebook ? Send you some pictures of our dogs here in the uk ?

    • @user-ii2ch1dn4p
      @user-ii2ch1dn4p 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Excellent videos guys🎉
      Maybe you can show us your rig set up and how it works.

    • @patrickmcgorman3274
      @patrickmcgorman3274 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      u should def try to cross in some bull , wheaten terrier or deerhound

    • @dougwilkinson-uq3xr
      @dougwilkinson-uq3xr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How much is your feed bill each month?

  • @BigCountry67
    @BigCountry67 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    The world needs more young men like you two. Keep representing the hunting lifestyle. You are great ambassadors for hunting with hounds.

    • @kommentatort3496
      @kommentatort3496 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      wtf u talking about...its like being stuck in middle Age...u dont need catchdogs nowadays if u have a bit of talent with the rifle

    • @Outdoorfever1
      @Outdoorfever1  18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@kommentatort3496 I have done both but enjoy hunting with my hounds a lot more. But everyone has there own opinions.

    • @kommentatort3496
      @kommentatort3496 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Outdoorfever1 yeah i know...thats why i said it...its like in Rome...give the people a Bloody Show and they are happy...but thankfully most people learned to advance to a Different stage

  • @chaddop9500
    @chaddop9500 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    People make remarks about my dogs being skinny. I reply with they’re in running shape. Have you ever seen a fat marathon runner?

  • @suzanneking-genton3439
    @suzanneking-genton3439 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My 1st time here. Love your dogs. I got involved with greys in '98. I love them. I respect all owners of the different high prey needed activities. Actually all 7 of my hounds were low prey drive and my kitty cats appreciated that. I enjoy the races and of my 7 I had 2 that flunked out of racing school and one that broke a leg. This video was introducing all youR dogs. I must say have a really nice farm, and beautiful, healthy hounds. Thanks for your time and have fun.

  • @badgerkadar8589
    @badgerkadar8589 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I love the fact that your keeping the coyote population down I really enjoyed seeing all of your dogs. greyhounds was my favorite dogs.😍

  • @davidhypes5228
    @davidhypes5228 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I’ve been waiting for this video. You guys have a very nice setup for your dogs! Thanks for showing us around and introducing everyone to us. Maybe you could do some videos on the training you mentioned that you do in the summertime.

  • @curtiso1965
    @curtiso1965 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Yard looks good man. Dogs look good and happy.
    I also keep a large yard with deerhound stag hounds
    Greyhound, Saluki, mastiff , malinois. So I know the care and time that goes into to keeping a yard that size.
    Keep up the good work it’s great to see young men with a passion for working dogs.
    Curtis OG from California

  • @grahamblackall6305
    @grahamblackall6305 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Grwetings from the UK 🇬🇧 Greyhound × Wolfhound
    That's known as a longdog in the UK, sometimes referred to as a lurcher.
    Great dogs!
    Take care
    Graham

  • @htb123
    @htb123 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Your dogs are lovely, well cared for and obviously love you and their work. Great to see working dogs kept so well.

  • @dougwilkinson-uq3xr
    @dougwilkinson-uq3xr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You guys can make it big on youtube!! Keep the content coming please.

  • @countryonly405
    @countryonly405 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    You should make a video about your vehicles that you use

  • @laustin-zf2tr
    @laustin-zf2tr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video boys! You did a great job introducing all our dogs and showing them around the farm! Keep up the great work 👏

  • @hphillips7425
    @hphillips7425 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Interesting. The videos you have posted with the drone footage of the catch are amazing

  • @kevinjamieson7899
    @kevinjamieson7899 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    These dogs are Legends, They are top notch dogs.

  • @bubbagartland7768
    @bubbagartland7768 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    wonderful care your dogs receive....we run kemmer stock mountain curs and ladner yellow black mouth curs for our treeing game and decoying yokes...we love our curs cause they run to catch and hunt with you. we like a poacher type dog if it barks its either just about to catch or just about to tree...your dogs and both of you young men are awesome and a sight to behold....

  • @TedH71
    @TedH71 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Do your research on the Indian dog breeds. India banned hunting in 1972 with some exceptions so the local Indian breeds basically are facing extinction. A lot of them have obvious greyhound and Saluki influences and they've always been in India. I'll list the names of the dog breeds: Rajapalayam, Mudhol (personal favorite so far), Kanni/Chippiparai/Caravan, and Jonangi. There's quite a few more but they're mostly property defense dogs/boar hunting or herding dogs. I've been wanting to visit India with the possibility of importing some Mudhols, etc. Even the Indian government realized this and they're paying local villagers to breed those dogs. There are even dog villages where the sole purpose is to sell the pups and so on. Crazy! Those dog breeds seem to have thicker skin and less likely to break legs or tear skins which greyhounds are prone to.

  • @dylanm7063
    @dylanm7063 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wicked setup lads- nice hounds too. Keep gettin' after it!

  • @davidrutherford164
    @davidrutherford164 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    its about time you showed your farm and dogs been waiting to see them do more videos like this lads

  • @frenchcreampuff
    @frenchcreampuff 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great channel guys. There's nothing like this here in the UK.

  • @kevinmorrell7730
    @kevinmorrell7730 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for the video

  • @ScottYdo
    @ScottYdo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for sharing guys.
    Excellent set up .
    Your dogs look great.
    Keep on making videos and scrubbing out those coyotes.
    👍👍🎯

  • @TomsWhip
    @TomsWhip 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Lovely dogs. I recommend you look into Scottish Deerhounds aswell. They're of the greyhound lines but made for coursing bigger game. They're larger and stockier than Greyhounds, but still extremely fast, and made to cover rougher terrain. They also have a bit more rugged coat aswell so they dont get scratches as easily

  • @michaelhammett3771
    @michaelhammett3771 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great sogs I love greyhounds!!!!!

  • @DiscipleDog
    @DiscipleDog หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is awesome! Really proud to see others work hard with these dogs!

  • @user-yk9wg8ow9i
    @user-yk9wg8ow9i 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    glad you explained what you meant by hot dogs and what are shag dogs, this was an interesting video to see your hounds, all the best from Ireland.

  • @user-workingdog
    @user-workingdog 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome content. Thanks for sharing.

  • @infidel777patriot3
    @infidel777patriot3 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Or drone footage please. I grew up in California with my best friend from Arkansas.We used to chase rabbit with his greyhounds.All the time takes me way back. Awesome channel. I just sent it to him.

  • @maggie4491
    @maggie4491 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    love seeing greyhounds as hunting dogs. not that there's really a difference once they're on their target but its interesting that a lot of hunters don't like to use females because generally ive noticed with greyhounds that the males are more goofy but the females are all business lol

  • @davidr4310
    @davidr4310 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    good to see kennels full of working dogs 👍

  • @gazt657
    @gazt657 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Respect from the UK

  • @user-qy1fp4eh1u
    @user-qy1fp4eh1u หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice hounds buddy I run beagles🤠🐶🐇

  • @jenaklarson6325
    @jenaklarson6325 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Stumbled upon your video. Some of the happiest dogs ive ever seen. Happy working dogs. Love your set up and what you do. I don't hunt, but you have my respect

    • @Outdoorfever1
      @Outdoorfever1  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you very much!

  • @SFOxiv
    @SFOxiv 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video ……would also like to see your rig and dog box setup !!!! Great content keep up the good work fellas

  • @b9904
    @b9904 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Spacious ❤

  • @scampbell8268
    @scampbell8268 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the insight guys, great dogs👍

  • @duncanosborne4469
    @duncanosborne4469 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    hi guys great video ,here in the uk we have similar breed which are a cross with greyhounds and collies we call them lurchers ,they were traditionally bred too hunt hares which is equivulent too your jack rabbit,but now we are not allowed too allowed too hunt any game with dogs especially foxes,hares etc but are allowed too hunt rabbits,rats with dogs my own dog is a real good dog shes a collie/greyhoundx lurcherwhippet,we also used have a big hunt meeting each year until 2007 called the waterloo cup a coursing competition for greyhounds held up in the north east of england all the dogs had too be kennel club registered and be in the greyhound stud book and all owners had too be licensed issued by the ngcc national greyhound coursing and if you trained greyhounds for coursing for other people you were required too have trainers license

  • @scottendicott3249
    @scottendicott3249 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great job!

  • @catchemalive
    @catchemalive 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great looking setup y’all got!!

  • @ericfleury2948
    @ericfleury2948 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That's awesome guys keep it up

  • @user-du5cm8rc2d
    @user-du5cm8rc2d 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice dogs❤

  • @VanTheGamer07
    @VanTheGamer07 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love learning new things, I didn’t know other than terriers and bulldogs other breeds are use for catch dogs.

  • @curtculbertson6288
    @curtculbertson6288 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good video. Nice setup for your dogs.

  • @eddie-g1996
    @eddie-g1996 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good looking Greyhounds

  • @grizzlyridgerunner
    @grizzlyridgerunner 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Right on, guy's good deal. You put a lot into your hounds and it show in the fields im ready for a video thanks for sharing 👍

    • @Outdoorfever1
      @Outdoorfever1  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Brother

  • @MOcoyoteslayer
    @MOcoyoteslayer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's on my bucket list to hunt with hounds in a different state. We run hounds in Mid MO!

  • @w3irbeatz_
    @w3irbeatz_ หลายเดือนก่อน

    I stay in south africa and I need two of greyhounds, I really love them😊

  • @peplu7110
    @peplu7110 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good job. 👍📺

  • @johnpaxton1549
    @johnpaxton1549 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You should film the races ? Show more hunts this is so interesting n love the videos

  • @derekbroshuis4126
    @derekbroshuis4126 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice setup!!

  • @willhorting5317
    @willhorting5317 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for the tour.
    I have to admit that I am surprised that your pen fences are not taller.

  • @kpfly1
    @kpfly1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great dogs!

  • @mentor-method
    @mentor-method 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    V impressive fellas

  • @CatchGuard
    @CatchGuard หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video

  • @bubbamane6402
    @bubbamane6402 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very very interesting!! Keep posting

  • @davechristel5408
    @davechristel5408 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Some good looking dogs!

  • @solo4441
    @solo4441 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    James is a bad ass lercher

  • @user-cz2mj1ol6k
    @user-cz2mj1ol6k 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Drone the hunts ❤

  • @thehouse6915
    @thehouse6915 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can yall do a rig overview? Y’all drive the heck outta them trucks!!!

  • @thomashowlin4353
    @thomashowlin4353 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great set up, and your dogs look great, people got to remember they are athletes that are in tremendous shape. How trainable are your crosses, in that do they recall, or do you have to catch them back once you let them go ? Do cal your cross breeds Stag hounds ? Even though catch coyotes.

  • @cantonac
    @cantonac 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great dogs. Have you ever consider do try The irish coursing greyhounds to hunt coyotes? They are strong built and very fast.

  • @jjmoore5898
    @jjmoore5898 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A video on what you feed n the care you give your dogs and how you get them fit for work

  • @heathboeddeker5401
    @heathboeddeker5401 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When I was a youngster over 40 years ago now . We used Greyhounds for fox hunting in Minnesota Red river valley . They where awesom to watch and very seldom missed a catch .

  • @ElementalMJ
    @ElementalMJ 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I didnt realize there were dogs that didnt go for throat. My amstaff takes care of neighborhood ground hogs, straight for the throat trying to snap vertebrae. Similar experience with a pit mix i had when he caught a rabbit.
    Do you feed raw meat?

  • @M1racl3Man
    @M1racl3Man หลายเดือนก่อน

    GO HAWKS!

  • @paulwilson681
    @paulwilson681 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice set up boys . Try abit kelpi blood in with ur greyhounds. Very smart dogs n hard n very game

  • @rickmeisch643
    @rickmeisch643 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Should explain the term catch dog and throat dog and what ever terms you guys used. Do you buy retired greyhounds from the race track? The taxidermy job isn’t to bad and if that’s your first time it’s darn good. You must be in the western part of Iowa? Jumping out of the truck when you let them loose on a coyote could be the start of a stress fracture for those greyhounds. I appreciate what you did with this video going into depth about the dogs! May I ask what a greyhound is worth if they don’t work out for hunting?

    • @Outdoorfever1
      @Outdoorfever1  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Race dogs can be worth good money. And no we raise our own we dont buy retired race dogs

  • @lisaconnor9655
    @lisaconnor9655 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I would hate to see your vet bills! Beautiful dogs

  • @bubbamane6402
    @bubbamane6402 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like those freedom x trigger pups , really like that black female in the pin with freedoms huge son

  • @geoffshafer4055
    @geoffshafer4055 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice. Like your setup. Wolf hound instead of stag hound?

    • @Outdoorfever1
      @Outdoorfever1  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      both

    • @Outdoorfever1
      @Outdoorfever1  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      every dog is a little different

  • @Crooks103
    @Crooks103 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Are these a type of lurcher?

  • @swallman
    @swallman 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sounds like you should move to Nebraska - The Good Life! 🙂

  • @gregmonz697
    @gregmonz697 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Really nice setup . Keep the videos coming , love that 💩😜

    • @Outdoorfever1
      @Outdoorfever1  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! Will do!

  • @kingwolfsoulja1465
    @kingwolfsoulja1465 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Never seen anyone use dogs to hunt coyote at all especially a grey hound not I’m intrigued on this I’ll scrolling through yall videos cuz this is interesting

  • @mackiewalsh-fleming-yg5gd
    @mackiewalsh-fleming-yg5gd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have you thought about adding Irish wolfhounds to the pack they are incredibly fast and they could probably help the grey hounds if they don’t know where the coyotes are or you could even add hounds to the pack to help track them

  • @KaiserSozay-gs5dz
    @KaiserSozay-gs5dz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I never knew that I was interested in this kinda stuff…..

  • @KingSlayer_23
    @KingSlayer_23 หลายเดือนก่อน

    U should really try some Belgian malinois as a hunting dog I primarily use greyhound type breeds but I have around 4 Belgian malinois and there great with the right training they can so much

  • @stevescoville8465
    @stevescoville8465 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice set-up boys. What brand do you feed the dogs? Protein/fat ratio?

  • @thyslop1737
    @thyslop1737 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hunting lodge is pretty sweet. Need some Turkey, deer, rooster and assorted trophys to enhance the decoration.

    • @Outdoorfever1
      @Outdoorfever1  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yup got a roster tail and a deer head in there but we will work on getting a nice turkey fan hung up this spring

  • @cedricfoster2952
    @cedricfoster2952 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I. I. Fulton Illinois

  • @cheenou5007
    @cheenou5007 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where can I get a dog like yours? Any available?

  • @ryanbieberich6332
    @ryanbieberich6332 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Would a CATAHOULA be a good coyote dog?

  • @seandefreitas6673
    @seandefreitas6673 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like the hairy dog he looks like the Kangaroo dogs used in Australia.

  • @cerenzo
    @cerenzo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where u guys do that what age cloud u do this

  • @craigdinney5933
    @craigdinney5933 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great dogs u have . but you need some bulldogs . best catch dogs on earth

  • @ElementalMJ
    @ElementalMJ 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Are you able to sustain your self from these dogs or is other income required?

  • @don-jj1vj
    @don-jj1vj 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd love to hunt with you.

  • @mayalunics4740
    @mayalunics4740 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Are these dogs pure Greyhound or mixes?

    • @Outdoorfever1
      @Outdoorfever1  29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Mix with wolf hound. But some more than others

  • @cedricfoster2952
    @cedricfoster2952 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Fellas let me ask you are there any jackrabbit up there those hotbloods look good please let me know . try to get on some Jack's

    • @Outdoorfever1
      @Outdoorfever1  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nope not around here

  • @rathgarredbeard4808
    @rathgarredbeard4808 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you guys ever sell any pups, and if so how much for a good male and a good female?

    • @Outdoorfever1
      @Outdoorfever1  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yup we do. And we sell a male puppy for 300 female 250

    • @rathgarredbeard4808
      @rathgarredbeard4808 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Outdoorfever1 Ok. I live in Oklahoma, so do you also ship them? Years ago I bought a pup from out of State and had to pick him up at the airport in Oklahoma City. What State are you guys in?

  • @troystillwell4165
    @troystillwell4165 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can't believe they don't jump the fences

    • @Outdoorfever1
      @Outdoorfever1  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We got 3 that will but they only jump when they know were going huntin but we move the ones who jump either in the one with the electric fence or the 8 foot fence

  • @Jonnybones6543
    @Jonnybones6543 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do use ever lamp coyotes at night with the dogs or call coyotes in and then slip the dogs

  • @chadrossa3561
    @chadrossa3561 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man I’d love to come down running with you guys one time. Would you be interested in trading a hunt?

  • @regenbassford
    @regenbassford 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you ever sell hound puppies

    • @Outdoorfever1
      @Outdoorfever1  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We raised a litter of runnin hounds 3 years ago we got the pups still and there top notch. Best track dogs in the area for sure

    • @regenbassford
      @regenbassford 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Outdoorfever1 No I was just wondering if you ever sold puppies

    • @Outdoorfever1
      @Outdoorfever1  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@regenbassford yeah we kept 3 she had 12

    • @Outdoorfever1
      @Outdoorfever1  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@regenbassford walker hounds

  • @jadefire8711
    @jadefire8711 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What breeds are they ?

  • @cedricfoster2952
    @cedricfoster2952 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All I need to know is who got dogs ill take all your worst definitely and you guys should mix saluki with hotbloods you will get speed and wind

  • @joshgualdarama5055
    @joshgualdarama5055 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My girl dogs are more rough then most boy dogs out there that’s all I run #all girls

  • @user-ic5xk6uz1m
    @user-ic5xk6uz1m 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Get u a gd game pit bull an keep u s catch dog. Feed bill gone 🤣

  • @Ty-yd1qt
    @Ty-yd1qt 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Are we just going to ignore all the cake...

  • @user-cj3qf1cw3k
    @user-cj3qf1cw3k หลายเดือนก่อน

    All your dogs looked mostly grey hound why don't you use mixes

  • @sheilahbeschorner5309
    @sheilahbeschorner5309 หลายเดือนก่อน

    *promosm* 🙄