Technosoft was responsible for the port, they made the awesome Thunder Force franchise. What I think is they wanted to enhance the game in some ways, not only just porting it, added some flavor to the bonus stages and some other visual effects to make the game a little different than the original release but not so much, probably wanted to attract players of the original. The Genesis has les colors on-screen tha the Turbo so the palette choices are more bright probably because they had to share some colors for sprites and backgrounds, still, there's a great color hack where the colors are closer to the originals. The sidebar was added because the Genesis uses a bigger horizontal resolution than the Turbo so probably that's why is there. The music differences I think are more an artistic choice than other thing, also the music stops when there's a voice sample because for some odd reason all Technosoft sound drivers weren't developed with priority on sample playback so everytime a sample plays the rest of the channels from both sound chips stop playing lol This happens in some early Genesis games (Altered Beast, Golden Axe, etc). As an extra, there are some passwords in the Genesis version that let you play music arrangements from other Technosoft games like Elemental Master, Thunder Force III, Herzog Zwei and another one that's perhaps from japanese PCs.
Agreed. The female vampire face is MUCH creepier looking, and better looking overall. The Genesis port looks squished. Maybe it's because of that side menu things look squished?
The Turbo had more colors on screen than the Genesis, it looks much better. The reason why the music stops on the Genesis is because that is how real pinball games were at the time. The music would play as long as the ball was in play.
Yeah, I think the PC Engine version is superior in every way other than those bonus stages. It would be very cool if someone could patch the Genesis bonus stages into the PC Engine version. Also, I want a SNES port that combines the best of both too.
Another point of difference with the Mega Drive version is that it actually has a final "boss" to beat once you've completed all the other stages. The TG-16 version doesn't have this.
Very easy choice. The enhancements to the Mega Drive version is all for the better. Especially the depth of the music makes it sounds so much better and cooler and makes it come alive.
A few technical mistakes in your comparison: The TG16 has a lot more on screen colors than the Genesis. Over 400 vs 64. As far as sound, neither system has a greater frequency range than the other. The SNES is the only system I can think of that can't get all the way up to 20,000 hz. The Genesis can make sounds with more complex overtones due to its FM synth. Finally, the Genesis mix can't have too much reverb since the Genesis can't do reverb.
I think they're both pretty phenomenal games. I assume it was an accident to show the Genesis/Megadrive dragon bonus table comparing it to the TG-16 skull bonus level, since...you know, they both have dragon bonus levels and skull bonus levels. Also you forgot to mention the exclusive final boss in the Genesis version.
Did the Genesis have a stronger color palate than the TG-16? I thought both had a total of 256 colors, but the Genesis could only put around 40 on screen at once while the TG could put almost all of them on screen at once, meaning more on-screen colors than the SNES.
@@syphic According to Wikipedia, the Sega Genesis has a color palette of 512 total colors, but can only put 61 on screen at a time. The TurboGrafx-16 also has 512 total colors, but can display 482 on screen at once, nearly 8 times more than the Genesis. The Super Nintendo had a massive color palette of 32,768 colors, but could only display 256 on screen at one time, a bit more than half of what the TurboGrafx could do. When it comes to color, the TurboGrafx should mop the floor with the Genesis. Where the Genesis has an edge is with the much faster processor that can handle more background layers, parallax scrolling, more sprite animation, etc.
@@Johnnygrafx Probably. Look at games like Lords of Thunder. The TurboGrafx-CD version looks much more colorful than the Sega CD version. Sega CD might look a bit more dark and gritty, if that's your thing, but the TurboGrafx has more clear transition between colors while Sega uses hard color transitions and dithering. Side by side, most games look better on the Turbo than the Genesis. Street Fighter II, OutRun, Altered Beast, Valis, Fatal Fury Special, they all look way more colorful on the Turbo.
I think you may have some personal bias. When it comes to Sega Genesis soundtracks, it's extremely difficult to do better than Techosoft. They are one of the premier masters of the Genesis sound chip. I think Fury sounds way better.
The pixels are not square on the PCE version, to fill the width of a TV screen. Suddenly the image is simply overwritten. For this element alone, I prefer to play on Mega Drive than PCE. Otherwise, I have to play the PCE version first. And if I put the MD version behind it, it's "Wooh". If I play on MD first, when I switch to PCE, it sounds more like "arff". Then I can understand that the players who have already practiced on PCE first, necessarily the affection will be on this version. Any change to a game that we like, if it's not perfect, we don't like it. I still think that objectively the Mega Drive version is the superior version. But yes, it is not perfect in comparison.
Great comparison of the two versions. My daughter and I love playing the Crush series and, while we like the cool Genesis port, we definitely prefer playing the TG original. You can’t go wrong either way though!
What a great review!!! So sad that you compared the Dragons fury genesis instead of Devil Crash Genesis that keeps al phentagrams and other stuff. I will really love if this saga come back some day.
My sister and I played this like crazy on the Genesis. Funny the censorship did allow it to stay in the house because my mom looked at it and thought it was just destroying monsters. (We did have to fight to save this game from going to the trash.) If she saw the pentagrams she would have thrown it out of the house. lol I loved the music. I would always just try hard to get to the bonus stage just to hear it. I remember the ball being trackable but it does look different on a Flatscreen compared to a CRT. (Still looking for a replaceable copy after our original copy was stolen.)
Easy winner: Devil’s Crush. If you are in the lower level of Dragon’s Fury, you’re going to lose your ball in a hurry. That’s a FATAL flaw in an otherwise great game. Cheap, unavoidable ball loss is a part of pinball, but not to the extent that we see it in Dragon’s Fury. Luck and bad luck are a part of pinball-but not to the extent we see in this game. I felt my good games were a consequence of chance, not my skill. My comments explain why Devil’s Crush for the TG16 is on practically every list of greatest video pinball games ever, and DF is not. Devil’s Crush gets the gameplay right. DF has nice graphics and isn’t a horrible game, but they really fouled up the gameplay. Devil’s Crush is far more a game of skill-it plays better….far better.
I like the japanese sega mega drive Devil's Crush MD it look closer to the TG 16 than the US Dragon's Fury. Technosoft did a great job of porting the game.
I've only ever played Devil Crash MD, on my region modded UK Mega Drive There is a greater vibrancy and pop in the colours, although that dragon's head bonus stage is a bit messy. The sound absolutely kills it for me, one of the greatest soundtracks of all time, although I do get what you're saying about the muffled nature of it and agree In all, it's one of my favourite games of all time, and away from this experience I never played pinball
Great comparison! Just confused where you said the Genesis wanted to "show off its superior colour palette". Did you mean for this game specifically, because the Genesis colour palette, in general, is not superior to the TG. Sorry in advance if I totally misunderstood what you meant. Lol Love the channel, btw!
You really put into words the problem I had when I listened to the Sega version. The instruments are good, but there was just SOMETHING that gave it far less of an impact.
Big disagree here. I love the bonus stages and the music on the Genesis version. The TG-16 music sounds really unpleasant and tinny to me, and I wouldn't want to keep listening to that.
Great comparison video.. I grew up playing the Genesis version. I now only have the Devils Crush from the Wii store. I was very disappointed it was left out of the TG16/PC Engine mini. Would love someone to bring to Switch or Playstation. One of my fav games of all time
I realised the bias you had towards devils crush when you compared the visual style of the bonus stages and instead of comparing the two skull stages which would be a fairer comparison, you chose a completely different bonus stage that has a totally different visual style to try and push your point.
Nah, I used that stage because it was a good example of the silly use of color and brightness that feels antithetical to the themes of the original game. Not meant to be deceptive.
It reminds me of this similar game that was on the Sega Genesis that was almostl ike pinball, but more like super breakout where you went through graveyards in a gouls and ghots fashion. I think it was called Devilish. I wish I had that game T>T
4:10 Eh, just want to point out that the Genesis absolutely does not have a superior colour palette to the PC Engine. The Genesis actually has the worst colour capabilities of all the 16-bit generation consoles. And, in fact, the PC Engine kinda blows away the Genesis when it comes to colours, being able to normally display 482 colours on-screen using 32 16-colour palettes chosen from a 512-colour master palette vs the Genesis being able to normally display 61 colours on-screen using 4 16-colour palettes chosen from a 512-colour master palette. This is why Devil's Crush looks noticeably prettier on PC Engine. It's not some artistic choice on the Genesis team's part that didn't quite work out, but because the Genesis simply couldn't display as many colours there, so everything ended up looking a lot more garish. Also, just to add, the SNES utterly blows both of those systems away in terms of colours, being able to display 256 colours on-screen normally using 16 16-colour palettes chosen from a 32,768-colour master palette. It can even display well over 2000 on-screen colours normally during full gameplay by using the standard Direct Colour feature of Modes 3, 4 and 7 as well, although this feature was very rarely used, as the normal colour modes actually look nicer due to how they specifically work. It's kinda crazy how so many people these days really do think the Genesis is better than it is in many ways. PS. I really would have loved to have seen this game ported to SNES and taking full advantage of all of its capabilities too. I honestly think it could have ended up with the best version of this game across the board.
I have such a personal bias towards Devil's Crush. its just perfect for me.
Same!
Technosoft was responsible for the port, they made the awesome Thunder Force franchise. What I think is they wanted to enhance the game in some ways, not only just porting it, added some flavor to the bonus stages and some other visual effects to make the game a little different than the original release but not so much, probably wanted to attract players of the original.
The Genesis has les colors on-screen tha the Turbo so the palette choices are more bright probably because they had to share some colors for sprites and backgrounds, still, there's a great color hack where the colors are closer to the originals. The sidebar was added because the Genesis uses a bigger horizontal resolution than the Turbo so probably that's why is there. The music differences I think are more an artistic choice than other thing, also the music stops when there's a voice sample because for some odd reason all Technosoft sound drivers weren't developed with priority on sample playback so everytime a sample plays the rest of the channels from both sound chips stop playing lol This happens in some early Genesis games (Altered Beast, Golden Axe, etc). As an extra, there are some passwords in the Genesis version that let you play music arrangements from other Technosoft games like Elemental Master, Thunder Force III, Herzog Zwei and another one that's perhaps from japanese PCs.
TG-16 Main table theme blows the genesis version out the water, although the genesis version is good, TG-16 version is the crown winner.
Agreed. The female vampire face is MUCH creepier looking, and better looking overall. The Genesis port looks squished. Maybe it's because of that side menu things look squished?
The Turbo had more colors on screen than the Genesis, it looks much better.
The reason why the music stops on the Genesis is because that is how real pinball games were at the time. The music would play as long as the ball was in play.
It's tough, I love the colours of the Turbo version but I also love the redesigns of the bonus stages in the Sega version.
Yeah, I think the PC Engine version is superior in every way other than those bonus stages. It would be very cool if someone could patch the Genesis bonus stages into the PC Engine version.
Also, I want a SNES port that combines the best of both too.
Another point of difference with the Mega Drive version is that it actually has a final "boss" to beat once you've completed all the other stages. The TG-16 version doesn't have this.
I feel like the Turbo had more vibrant colors. It could display more at a time also. It looks so much clearer to me
Very easy choice. The enhancements to the Mega Drive version is all for the better. Especially the depth of the music makes it sounds so much better and cooler and makes it come alive.
A few technical mistakes in your comparison: The TG16 has a lot more on screen colors than the Genesis. Over 400 vs 64. As far as sound, neither system has a greater frequency range than the other. The SNES is the only system I can think of that can't get all the way up to 20,000 hz. The Genesis can make sounds with more complex overtones due to its FM synth. Finally, the Genesis mix can't have too much reverb since the Genesis can't do reverb.
I think they're both pretty phenomenal games. I assume it was an accident to show the Genesis/Megadrive dragon bonus table comparing it to the TG-16 skull bonus level, since...you know, they both have dragon bonus levels and skull bonus levels. Also you forgot to mention the exclusive final boss in the Genesis version.
This game really is a guilty pleasure. Dope review, glad other people like this game too.
Glad you enjoyed 🙂
Why is it a guilty pleasure?
Bless you for this video. Devils Crush is one of my all time favorites and this video feels like something I wanted to make.
Great overview! I love this kind of nitpicky comparison... helps me with my collecting.
I'm playing both, I prefer the mega drive version with no doubt
Did the Genesis have a stronger color palate than the TG-16? I thought both had a total of 256 colors, but the Genesis could only put around 40 on screen at once while the TG could put almost all of them on screen at once, meaning more on-screen colors than the SNES.
Yeah doesnt the tg16 have a bigger color pallate and can display way more colors?
@@syphic According to Wikipedia, the Sega Genesis has a color palette of 512 total colors, but can only put 61 on screen at a time. The TurboGrafx-16 also has 512 total colors, but can display 482 on screen at once, nearly 8 times more than the Genesis. The Super Nintendo had a massive color palette of 32,768 colors, but could only display 256 on screen at one time, a bit more than half of what the TurboGrafx could do. When it comes to color, the TurboGrafx should mop the floor with the Genesis. Where the Genesis has an edge is with the much faster processor that can handle more background layers, parallax scrolling, more sprite animation, etc.
@@mscottjohnson3424 ah, so perhaps the different look of Dragons Fury is the result of less colors rather than more.
@@Johnnygrafx Probably. Look at games like Lords of Thunder. The TurboGrafx-CD version looks much more colorful than the Sega CD version. Sega CD might look a bit more dark and gritty, if that's your thing, but the TurboGrafx has more clear transition between colors while Sega uses hard color transitions and dithering. Side by side, most games look better on the Turbo than the Genesis. Street Fighter II, OutRun, Altered Beast, Valis, Fatal Fury Special, they all look way more colorful on the Turbo.
The genesis have at least a final boss while the TG-16 doesn't.
I think you may have some personal bias. When it comes to Sega Genesis soundtracks, it's extremely difficult to do better than Techosoft. They are one of the premier masters of the Genesis sound chip.
I think Fury sounds way better.
Oh, I absolutely have bias towards anything turbo/pce. That said, I still really enjoy the Sega version. Both are great.
The pixels are not square on the PCE version, to fill the width of a TV screen. Suddenly the image is simply overwritten. For this element alone, I prefer to play on Mega Drive than PCE. Otherwise, I have to play the PCE version first. And if I put the MD version behind it, it's "Wooh".
If I play on MD first, when I switch to PCE, it sounds more like "arff".
Then I can understand that the players who have already practiced on PCE first, necessarily the affection will be on this version. Any change to a game that we like, if it's not perfect, we don't like it.
I still think that objectively the Mega Drive version is the superior version. But yes, it is not perfect in comparison.
One of my favorite game. I own both versions and I love them both :)
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Never played it! I hear good things though
@@Johnnygrafx Its pretty incredible and the guy who made it just dropped a new game called xeno tilt also with a more sci fi instead of occult theme.
I had Dragon's Fury as a kid and loved it despite also not really being a fan of pinball.
Great comparison of the two versions. My daughter and I love playing the Crush series and, while we like the cool Genesis port, we definitely prefer playing the TG original. You can’t go wrong either way though!
In my opinion the sega genesis does it best.
How come
@@donkeyparadise9276 because I'm a biased sega fan boy
What a great review!!! So sad that you compared the Dragons fury genesis instead of Devil Crash Genesis that keeps al phentagrams and other stuff. I will really love if this saga come back some day.
Yess just said the same thing. I often play a few rounds before bed lately.
I got this game on Wii U Virtual Console! It is pretty fun.
My sister and I played this like crazy on the Genesis. Funny the censorship did allow it to stay in the house because my mom looked at it and thought it was just destroying monsters. (We did have to fight to save this game from going to the trash.) If she saw the pentagrams she would have thrown it out of the house. lol
I loved the music. I would always just try hard to get to the bonus stage just to hear it. I remember the ball being trackable but it does look different on a Flatscreen compared to a CRT. (Still looking for a replaceable copy after our original copy was stolen.)
Ah, glad you got to keep it around! Sorry to hear it was stolen though. They can be found on Ebay but the price isn't friendly 🙃
Easy winner: Devil’s Crush. If you are in the lower level of Dragon’s Fury, you’re going to lose your ball in a hurry. That’s a FATAL flaw in an otherwise great game. Cheap, unavoidable ball loss is a part of pinball, but not to the extent that we see it in Dragon’s Fury. Luck and bad luck are a part of pinball-but not to the extent we see in this game. I felt my good games were a consequence of chance, not my skill. My comments explain why Devil’s Crush for the TG16 is on practically every list of greatest video pinball games ever, and DF is not. Devil’s Crush gets the gameplay right. DF has nice graphics and isn’t a horrible game, but they really fouled up the gameplay. Devil’s Crush is far more a game of skill-it plays better….far better.
What's your take on devils crush on the mega drive 😅 it keeps the pentagrams but does have the different levels.
I like the japanese sega mega drive Devil's Crush MD it look closer to the TG 16 than the US Dragon's Fury. Technosoft did a great job of porting the game.
Valid viewpoint!
I've only ever played Devil Crash MD, on my region modded UK Mega Drive
There is a greater vibrancy and pop in the colours, although that dragon's head bonus stage is a bit messy.
The sound absolutely kills it for me, one of the greatest soundtracks of all time, although I do get what you're saying about the muffled nature of it and agree
In all, it's one of my favourite games of all time, and away from this experience I never played pinball
Superior color palette of the Genesis?
Genesis Wins
Haven't played any of the version but just so you know, you keep saying Tengen did the port when in reality Technosoft did the port to the Genesis.
Great comparison! Just confused where you said the Genesis wanted to "show off its superior colour palette". Did you mean for this game specifically, because the Genesis colour palette, in general, is not superior to the TG. Sorry in advance if I totally misunderstood what you meant. Lol
Love the channel, btw!
Nah you didn't misunderstand it. I just had a brain fart when I wrote that and it slipped by me in editing. Just ignore that part! 🙃
You really put into words the problem I had when I listened to the Sega version. The instruments are good, but there was just SOMETHING that gave it far less of an impact.
“…the superior color palette of the Genesis…”
Didn’t both the Genesis and TG/PC Engine have a 512 color palette?
Big disagree here. I love the bonus stages and the music on the Genesis version. The TG-16 music sounds really unpleasant and tinny to me, and I wouldn't want to keep listening to that.
I agree, the TG16 version is the better of the two.
Great comparison video.. I grew up playing the Genesis version. I now only have the Devils Crush from the Wii store. I was very disappointed it was left out of the TG16/PC Engine mini. Would love someone to bring to Switch or Playstation. One of my fav games of all time
Yeah I was surprised to see it wasn't on the mini too. Glad you enjoyed!
I love the Genesis, but I feel like very few developers made proper use of the color palette, resulting in a lot of games looking "muddy"...
Yup absolutely. Not enough games truly made the genesis shine.
I disagree The Genesis Version has more bonus stages and a final boss plus bonus songs by punching in passwords.
Mega drive wins
I realised the bias you had towards devils crush when you compared the visual style of the bonus stages and instead of comparing the two skull stages which would be a fairer comparison, you chose a completely different bonus stage that has a totally different visual style to try and push your point.
Nah, I used that stage because it was a good example of the silly use of color and brightness that feels antithetical to the themes of the original game. Not meant to be deceptive.
It reminds me of this similar game that was on the Sega Genesis that was almostl ike pinball, but more like super breakout where you went through graveyards in a gouls and ghots fashion. I think it was called Devilish. I wish I had that game T>T
Yes devilish! Great game.
Did u cover the wii u version?
That's just a direct port of the TG16 version I believe.
4:10 Eh, just want to point out that the Genesis absolutely does not have a superior colour palette to the PC Engine.
The Genesis actually has the worst colour capabilities of all the 16-bit generation consoles. And, in fact, the PC Engine kinda blows away the Genesis when it comes to colours, being able to normally display 482 colours on-screen using 32 16-colour palettes chosen from a 512-colour master palette vs the Genesis being able to normally display 61 colours on-screen using 4 16-colour palettes chosen from a 512-colour master palette.
This is why Devil's Crush looks noticeably prettier on PC Engine. It's not some artistic choice on the Genesis team's part that didn't quite work out, but because the Genesis simply couldn't display as many colours there, so everything ended up looking a lot more garish.
Also, just to add, the SNES utterly blows both of those systems away in terms of colours, being able to display 256 colours on-screen normally using 16 16-colour palettes chosen from a 32,768-colour master palette. It can even display well over 2000 on-screen colours normally during full gameplay by using the standard Direct Colour feature of Modes 3, 4 and 7 as well, although this feature was very rarely used, as the normal colour modes actually look nicer due to how they specifically work.
It's kinda crazy how so many people these days really do think the Genesis is better than it is in many ways.
PS. I really would have loved to have seen this game ported to SNES and taking full advantage of all of its capabilities too. I honestly think it could have ended up with the best version of this game across the board.
The NEC game has superior graphics and sound easily. Definitely go with the TG-16/PCE version.
Nice format and presentation! TG-16 wins for sure! :)
Oh my god I had those glow in the dark stars as a kid, forgot all about it until just now!
I had them too. They left stick crap on the ceiling for the next ten years too lol. Glad you enjoyed! 🙂
100% sega Genesis.
DEMON’S TILT.
Haven't played it yet! But I definitely intend to.
@@Johnnygrafx XENOTILT
Say no to the great reset
Totaly don’t agree with the sound and music ! Dragons Fury is a clear improvment from the other. Dragon’ s Fury is for me the best of his kind ever !
Leave the star of David alone. 😆 🤣 😭
Gana la versión de PC engine
Supergrafx wins
Clearly genesis fanboy
Pce