Man Utd OR Spurs - The Biggest FLOP This Season?
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Biggest flop team of ALL TIME? Now let’s see, a big city club with a huge footballing tradition, a large passionate fanbase that fill their cathedral of a 50,000 seater stadium up on a hill, a truly vast wealth that is bigger than any other club in the world, no debt forced upon them by blood-sucking owners - but unbelievably they have an almost completely empty trophy cabinet…..
name me a bigger flop team in world football?? 💩 ⚽️ ⚫️⚪️⚫️⚽️💩
Craig changing his tune fast on ange. Ironic how Brian’s talking about how ange is flop, were you not posting videos crying about Eddie Howe not being good enough cause he lost games against teams he should beat? Funny old game short term memories everywhere
Brian can only tolerate a few defeats and he'll be slagging off Jacob Murphy and Schar and chatting absolute wank that they're championship level players.
Ange didnt turn it round, Eddie did, if he didnt his head would be getting called for
He said things need to change and he hopes they do change and they did, they got better. So what's your point?
How you got 27 likes on this comment?
Newcastle still have 0 trophies btw
We do have trophies. It’s just we haven’t won any more domestically since 1955. Long trophy drought yes.
2005 newcastle won cup inter toto cup
Thats cool as we gonna win the whole lot in the next 10 years 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Spurs are in relegation battle mate
We have nothing to do with you guys relegation battle.. 😂 cry more mate 🏴🏳️
No ways KG just called Lisandro Tyrion Lannister 😂
When Ten Hag had more injuries than spurs do now, everyone was saying he had to do better and still managed to win the fa cup...yet ange gets a free pass 🤣
Ange hasn't spent 650m like Ten Hag did.
@user-rh1iv7yp2c even if you have spent that, if those players are injured it's the same outcome
What part of all of this makes u think this ange is getting a free pass
the people actually blamed ten Hag for those injuries
@@kin9_derp952 the fact geordie and everyone isn't screaming ange out like they did with ten hag on a weekly basis
If Tottenham Hotspur decides to sack Ange Postecoglou, who should they replace him with? They've already tried managers like Nuno Espírito Santo, Antonio Conte, José Mourinho, and Mauricio Pochettino, yet they still struggle. If the board supports Postecoglou, he could build a team that might not win the league but could consistently finish in the top 7 and perform well in domestic cups.
If Postecoglou is sacked, I don't see any good manager coming to Tottenham Hotspur because the board isn't supportive, and the players aren't good enough. The only viable option might be bringing back Mauricio Pochettino, but after his stint at Chelsea, I'm unsure how the fans will react.
Tottenham Hotspur fans should accept that they are a mid-table team, and teams like Aston Villa, Newcastle United, West Ham, and Brighton have surpassed them.
Dumbest last sentence Ive seen
They have elite players and did good signings like johnson, solanke and maddison. All better than what united and chelsea have upfront. Tottenham did spend and in my opinion they spent relatively well….
@ Currently where are Tottenham Hotspur in the Points Table.
@ I don't disagree with you that Ange Postecoglou's signings are bad, but despite Tottenham Hotspur being 16th in the table, I believe sacking him is not the solution. Postecoglou is a talented coach, and with the right support from the management in terms of the players he wants, he can lead the team to success, especially in domestic cups. Besides, if you sack him, who will you bring in? There's no available manager who can turn things around for Tottenham. You need to give Postecoglou the backing he deserves to bring glory to our club.
When speaking about Tottenhams energy you have to understand that at this point the same 10 players have played 3 games a week since the start of December without levy leaving nothing will change
Making excuses
Losers.
@@tomwilliams9642 the youth did well this last europa game against elfsborg. Maybe it is time for spurs to give the youth a chance. If the 1st team is a bit leggy.
The cult around Ange is unbelievable 😂
Newcastle fans might be worse than arsenal at this point
Because we don’t kiss the big 6’s backsides and treat them like the gods they think they are? Ok, based on that criteria I guess we are.
Talk about hot take 🥱
Wtf
All of them or just one in particular?
Big 6 fans hate clubs outside the Big 6 having any sort of confidence in their club, Newcastle have clearly been better than spurs and United the last 2 season even with our injury crisis last year. If we make champions league football for the second time in 3 seasons and get to a second cup final in 3 seasons how can you keep denying them?
Honestly refreshing to hear a sane take about Rashford here over the painful player fc based ones on football twitter. Lost track how many accounts I blocked over that 😂
Man United were serial winners once and they can afford to sack a manager after a trophy. If someone wins a trophy at spurs, the manager should be given a lifetime contract and a statue in the middle of the pitch. “High standards” from a spurs fan? 😂 ange should be kicking himself to have accepted managing spurs
Agree the mindset is so far out of kilter to what it takes to actually succeed.
Old mate having the biggest sook to start typifies this perfectly.
Only Spurs fans could expect a proper rebuild in less than 2 years.
Then include the injuries and lack of personnel available this season and still expect it.
Instant gratification fans who deserve what they get.
Anyone defending rashford is pathetic and is part of the problem at Manchester united
Why “defend” or “attack” him? Let the damn thing play out… What will be, will be. Focus should be on the players on the pitch. Not on someone …who isn’t.
It's hard to sell players you call lazy
While the team that started against Leicester should be good enough to win can you not say that the players are knackered because the same 11 are playing high intensity games that go back and forth till the 90th minute twice a week and players are being rushed back
The Chelsea fan whose name I missed had the biggest L take on Garnacho haha. Look at the stats for him at his age compared to other players his age, and he is miles ahead of many. He is trying to learn a new position under a new manager. He would not be shocked if he is in a Madrid shirt in like 5 or 6 years.
31:43 If Bournemouth get any sort of European football I could see a situation where he would stay another year with the team for the experience (same as the Xabi Alonso situation), otherwise of course he would take it instantly
he'd be making a mistake going to Spurs. He's surely being eyed by the top teams now. Could easily see him at Bayern
If his smart he stays well away from Spurs, the job is poison.
As bad as United is we would never concede 3 in the first half against Everton.
no, but you get 4 from Brentford XD
@@VitoCorleone66brilliant 🤣🤣
@@VitoCorleone66 In 2022.
@ yeh, sounds relatively recent in comparison to 'never'
Geordie wanted eddie howe gone a few weeks ago
Nkunku went to Chelsea for 50M GBP as a 25 yo of the back of some brilliant seasons at Leipzig. He has had a terrible and injury-ridden time at chelsea. If any club pays more than 40, they are stupid.
United haven’t spent 600 million since Ratcliffe came in? And What’s this Chelsea fan waffling… Garnacho always starts 😂
@@callumanthony8525 we also sold well over a hundred million last summer. Something rival fans always conveniently forget.
Yet again Brian cannot have a conversation without having to shoehorn Isak and Newcastle into it!
It's his channel. Why are you here if you don't like Newcastle fans chatting about Newcastle??
@ it’s nothing to do with Newcastle it’s about United and Spurs! He can’t have a single conversation without needlessly shoehorning Newcastle into it! It relates to the topic in no way!
Guys, let's say the truth: english club inflate the market. Garnacho and Nkunku are not worth the amount you said. Kvara, not a fan of him, was sold for 75+5 mln Euro, Garnacho the only thing has better than the georgian is the age.
if United and Chelsea do a deal to buy garnacho and nkunku off each other, they'll deliberately be inflating the transfer fees as it helps out their PSR
@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere yes, it would be another reason to inflate it.
I was speaking more in general anyway, you guys have a lot of money and so you overspend on your players.
@@andreacarbonari So, what you're saying is, non-English clubs should stop inflating transfer fees and holding English clubs to ransom for players?
Also, which aspect of his game would you expect Garnacho to be better than Kvara in? It seems like we should expect him to not be as good and/or consistent, because of his age.
His fee is dependent on his potential, where Kvaras is based on his quality right now. So they're a bad pair to draw any comparison from.
Wait a minute, last season when United were missing 5 or 6 first team players injuries were not an excuse "everyone has injuries" now all of sudden it bails out Spurs?
I don't know how you can call two trophies in the last 3 seasons a flop. Typical United rage bait BS.
I, as a german 2 Bundesliga fan who only follows the premire league losely, have a question: Why does everyone say tottenham spend no money? I looked it up and they are ranked 3rd in net spend over the past 5 years in the prem and around -400 million Euros over the last 2,5 Seasons
The transfer fees are high but they pay the lowest wages of the big teams, basically they sign promising young players that won’t lose much value and won’t have massive weekly wage to pay.
It works to a point but you need a few big name and big earners to really push into that title picture.
Imagine selling your soul for oil money yet still haven't even sniffed a trophy.
Does being in 2 finals not count as sniffing trophies? Maybe not winning them but there close
@stanleytelfer371 what two finals? You mean 1 final? And yes, they weren't even close to winning the final against Man Utd.
@@LuZZuMthey’re like a week away from a second final.
@@archiewall124 I didn't know that things in the future counts as present. Cool
Weren’t Man Utd praying for that fake Qatari to take over rather than the scumbag billionaire Ratcliffe? Just cos he’s English doesn’t disguise what he is, a tax dodging conman.
Anyone finding Josh a bit more annoying recently? Used to be someone who’s opinion I kinda respected, but seems to be bitter these days
Its probs cos chelsea has started their downfall again to bottom rows of the league again
Garnacho isn’t worth more than 40million. KG is braindead. “He’s got an FA cup”, listen to yourself talk dude.
In the last 3 years he's has created the most assists of any young player in Europe.
He is worth £70 million in this transfer market. But £50 million is his actual value.
Garnachos stats blow almost every world class winger in the world at age 20. At this age, vini jr was worse.
It's the potential you pay for at that age and he's shown that he has more than enough potential to justify a larger transfer fee.
Personally I think KG hit the nail on the head about Rashford. He didn’t once say just fuck off and leave but said right now to want to make a difference he needs to dedicate himself to the max.
It doesnt matter who is the manager it will be the same. ownership and lack of ambition is the killer
I'm a Tottenham fan. I could see through "Big Ange" when he first came. And more so during his press meltdowns. He's out of his depth. As for Mr Levy, I'd give him one last chance with the manager after Ange. If it's another crisis, then I'll grab my pitchfork & call for "Levy Out!".
another elite debate! Love Craig
14:55 i like the way TG puts Isak into it
Newcastle fans wanna talk about the biggest flop remind me how many trophies you have won in the last 30 years? At least neither United nor Spurs got relegated twice with Allan Pardew
Nor Newcastle.
Flop implies lots of money was spent. Newcastle barely broke even during Mike Ashley's tenure. He was spending the bare minimum to keep them in the league season after season and occasionally, it backfired horrendously.
Man Utd have spent 2 billion since Fergie retired... how many league titles have they won in that time?
Spurs have spent £350-400M under Ange alone...
Not sure what Newcastle have to do with those two failing spectacularly😊
@YouAimYourArrowsHigh we have won an europa, 3 fa cups, 2 league cups and a community shield. It is not like our trophy cabinet has been empty since fergie left.
Hey Spurs... Mike Ashley is a spurs fan... perfect for you!!!
😂😂😂 don’t do that to them still have nightmares about the fat controller 😂😂
Everyone forgets that lots of injuries means the healthy group end up playing way more then they should gray and dragusn probably weren’t even supposed to have this many appearances by the end of the season
Everton got an old manager bounce😂
Chelsea paid how much for murdryk? Yeah, we want more than that.
100% Man United, start of the season I heard talks of a title challange.
The expectations for the fan bases, rightly or wrongly, Spurs - hopefully top 4 but europe. Man United - top 4 minimum and hope for a title challenge.
Bournemouth have just built a fantastic new training ground so Craig is woefully misinformed there lol. New stadium of around 20k will be ready by 2027 apparently too.
Ange is nothing like Ten Hag, and I haven't even seen rival fans banter him like we did Ten Hag. He's spent nowhere near Ten Hag, and the excuses of injuries actually apply to him, unlike Ten Hag because Ten Hag spent over 600m to fill his squad out. Ange hasn't. Spurs are never going to win leagues. It doesn't matter who their manager is.
@@user-rh1iv7yp2c whos the players we spent 600 million on in two years?
KG that last comment is the kind of dark arts that is required but not forthcoming. Amorim signed Dorgu yday and his first signing could change everything! Monsters coming in and deadwood moving out!
Newcastle got relegated twice in the last 12 years btw.
First of all... didnt realise 2009 was 12 years ago... go back to school kiddo.
And secondly, how much did they spend under Ashley? Clue: it was nowhere near the Super League 6's spending.
@@YouAimYourArrowsHigh you did spend 40 million on joelinton.
@@corriedebeer799 haha... one mega million signing in 14 years of ownership?
Yeah... crazy...
It has to be Man United purely because of how much money they have blown
Clubs are reluctant to get Rashford bcos of his outrageous weekly wages......that's the main reason Man U can't offload him now
If Rashford agrees to lower his wages significantly - he will be snapped up by many teams ......
Great comments on Rashford
Newcastle pal. You threw away a lead to Fulham and still don’t have any trophies
KG is the kinda guy you call "Happy to be here" Kinda guy. Nothing to defend his team except smile, do the cringe laughs, and insha Allah. Great guy, but supporting your team and saying the right things, correcting wrong impressions are what you are there for, mate.
@craig GREAT shout with Areola!! 32:24
That's on a woman's breasts. Iraola you mean. 😂
There is no more big 6. Some teams just have to wake up their ideas.
If you don't think Ange isn't a half decent coach - you know nothing about football. It is without question that with a fully fit squad Spurs get far better results. Name another EPL team in recent years that has gone consecutively into games without their main GK, their main CB pairing, Midfield as mess and as a result your best performers are inexperienced 18/19 year olds who at any other club that properly scouts and recruits players, wouldn't actually get into a starting 11 of a EPL team.
Spurs are very much like Man Utd in the aspect they on paper spend money but their recruitment is god awful - the issue isn't Ange and if you think it is, you are truly incapable of understanding football. Every manager has struggled with Spurs and nothing changed and nothing will change while Levy remains.
@@joeallen781 united last season.
Tottenham are now where Man Utd would've be if they lost that Southampton game, Tottenham are in a relegation battle
Craig
"Spurs are the definition of Spursy" thanks for the insight bro 👍🏾
Has Ange done a job worthy of the sack? Yes. To say however that he hasn’t got any managerial talent is just plain wrong. He will end up at another club doing well.
It’s a shame you haven’t spoke about forest more in the big 6 race
That Rashford rant was epic
I’m sorry, but Josh is crazy. Manutd isn’t finishing top half lol. They’re not better than Fulham Brighton Villa Bournemouth
Another opportunity to talk about Manchester united , who in your team decides what to talk about ? out of interested its very much centred around something related to Manchester United 90% of the time
The sinking boat reference was jokes.
That last jab has me in stitches
Always gotta be the tottenham manager and not Tottenham, man i love football😂😂😂
I think Craig is wrong about Ange! Tottenham could have Pep and at the end of the day it will be Levys fault! 😂
Wouldn't be 15th a point from 16th dont be stupid
Tottenham fans beliving sacking thw manager would get rid of the problems😂.
The players are behind Ange Craig.
The only clown here is Craig. Who blocks anyone that proves him wrong
How is not chelsea in this conversation.
Does anyone know if they will ever record in a studio together again or will it always be on FaceTime
Spurs man shouldn't be talking about Nacho
Spurs are not a big 6 club anymore!! They just not. Oh i forgot, they have a new stadium 🙄
Wouldn't it be so spursy to win the Carling cup and then get relegated this season. 😅😅😅😅
I’ve never seen a bigger turncoat than Craig😭😭😭
as a rangers fan i wish he stayed at celtic😂
as man utd fan nkunku is clear of garnacho as no10
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Geordie Tell Craig Levi is the Next Mike Ashley untill he's gone nothing will change same goes with Ratcliffe another poisonous ashley there's a reason there League position is where they are
United fans like KG are deluded. Refusing 60m for Garnacho is terrible. In a years time we’ll be back discussing how we should have taken the money.
FA Cup winner, Puskás Award winner, non-injury-prone, hardworking, delivering decent G/A, and only 20 years old. And you want us to sell him to Chelsea for just £40M? A couple of seasons from now, they'll probably flip him for at least £65M. I get that you don’t rate him-neither do I-but we need to put our feelings aside and be logical.
@ everything post Ferguson shows that players do not improve or develop at United, if anything they get worse. Garnacho will never ever be worth more than what he is now, and what he is now simply is nowhere near good enough. Real Madrid, Chelsea, city etc have raised the most money through academy sales, unfortunately with PSR it’s the way forward now to be an elite team
@@abdulfahad6788 You're contradicting yourself. Just four weeks ago, £40M for Garnacho would have been ludicrous, and now there are bids in the range of £50-55M. Whether his value will drop in the future is still uncertain, but given the current situation, there isn’t enough evidence to support your speculation-at least not in isolation to Garnacho. Also, keep in mind that we weren’t actively looking to sell him; the clubs want him, so they should be willing to pay the right price.
This price applies specifically to Chelsea as a Premier League rival. Let’s not forget they still owe United some refunds for Mason Mount-and maybe even some extra for Sancho.
@ United fans love to bring up the mount fee. We are the only club stupid enough to pay money like that for a player on the last year of his contract. Additionally as much as you think 40m for Garnacho is ludicrous I would take it in a heartbeat lmao. There are many wingers who are better. The only reason he even gets hype is because he plays for Man Utd, pretty much every single team in the league has at least one winger better than Garnacho.
@abdulfahad6788 I don’t disagree with you on that point-the kid is mid at best. He trips over the ball and runs it out of play almost every time. But unless we get the right price, I’d rather keep him as a squad player and use him as an impact sub off the bench. From a business and investment perspective, we can’t just accept any offer that comes our way. And as a Black man, I’ll haggle just for the sake of it. 😂
I'd take Garnacho at Arsenal for 50mil
Then you're mad I'd rather have martinelli and I want him gone
Spurs have a culture of failing. Sounds mad but who’s managing them who bring thems a trophy
£60 million for Garnacho is highway robbery. Barely worth £15 million.
15 million do you have Down syndrome? He is one of the hottest young wingers in europe.
Craig is so clueless
I’d argue it’s still Man Utd because of the squad values and injury crisis for Spurs, also they’re still in the league cup and beat Liverpool in the first leg.
Spurs injury crisis isn't a coincidence mate they cause them on their own they are not freak injuries. Squad management is a part of football and can't be used as an excuse on this occasion so have to disagree
If I was manager, I would sell Maguire in the window. If no one could buy him rotate sparingly. Switch to 442 and 4-5-1 move martinez into Cdm. Fernandez impact sub only. Make martinez vice cap. Have Rashford and hojland together up front. Get Rashford to make a public apology to fans. Play mainoo inverted right (like Liverpool did with hendo) martinez cdm alongside either ugarte or Casemiro gsrnacho on left. Loan in a good cdm from europe. In summer sell everyone almost, including Fernandez at a premium. Keep garnacho and hojland. Build back with quality buys and completey ditch the Amorim formation forever.
Brian the kickoff will never be what it was let it die. The fight stuff is what u should focus on in my opinion the fall off is crazy 🤷🏻♂️
55 for nkunku hahah 55p
Between United and Spurs; Spurs have been the biggest flop specifically of the 24/25 season. United were absolutely dreadful last season as well and everyone knew those players were trash (I'm a United fan)... So this season was a surprise to no one. Business as usual for that squad, but glad to see the ownership finally support a coach to rip it apart, binning Rashford after not having a single good whole season in 10 years.
Spurs however... Daniel Levy was saying they've "got their Tottenham back", the fans were loving Ange's free-flowing football, claims of incoming trophies, top 4, great signings etc... And they got worked out REAL fast. Devoid of ideas and look finished.
Get craig off the kickoff. He brings nothing and throws the teddy out all the time
g what. If you don't like him don't watch
warra trophy for newcastle
While the team that started against Leicester should be good enough to win can you not say that the players are knackered because the same 11 are playing high intensity games that go back and forth till the 90th minute twice a week and players are being rushed back